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“Great Gork! Mag-nif-cent Mork! Give me somfing ta fight!” *giant green okay sign appears in the sky as a horde of skaven erupt from the ground* “Da godz are good!”
Please make at least two more of these. Because there are like a dozen different gods who are probably better than the emperor in 40K. That's not to discount any of his accomplishments but when Neo started setting up his Imperium, He apparently had a million things to do and yet didn't count for any backups. In fact there's no word on him ever trying to make a Christ child or something version of him since he's covered in religious iconography despite being an atheist personally and elevated to the status of a god. And not just any god but the supreme God of all mankind. Or at least of the I'm guessing probably nearly 500,000 to over 1 million worlds but were conquered by the Imperium after the Age of Strife. Like for one thing I'm those idiots who still want the Interex to be alive in 40k Like how the squats have come back as part of the Votann Empires located near the galactic core. And would love to see the Emperor stuck on his golden throne It's a psychically reach out to the Interex because they're closer to what he wanted the Imperium to be but he chooses not to because their friends with the Eldar and he hates all aliens.
The big E shift personallity because his soul its broken. Every profet that make its souls whole, think for himself now. They also get mad at each others. Its more people in one. That his also why the difference beetween chosen is so drastic.
There is no such thing as a better god than the Emperor. There is nothing better than the Imperium. There is definitely not an Inquisitor holding a gun to my head as I write this.
@@notballer365 I leave the 40k community for a few years and now one of it's saving graces is apparently gone or something. What happened to TTS, did it use one GW trademarked item too many or something and got the axe?
@@physical_insanity From what I remember (I got kind of depressed from the whole thing so I forgot a lot of what happened) Alfa Busa was worried that because of GW taking down so many fan projects and stuff that if he continued they would take down the entire TTS series, an almost ten year effort by him and so many others. I think of his options this was the “best” as I don’t think I could live in a world where I can’t even rewatch the series. However the real best option would be for GW to remove the chainsword from up their collective asses and let him continue.
I want you all to appreciate that this man has risked being hunted by both the Inquisitors and Witch Hunters just to bring us a 12 minute video. Truly a heroic sacrifice which shall be remembered.
“Eat shit, living fucker. Just for that I’m gonna be ten times as awful purely because I hate you in particular.”- Nagash, explaining why a legion of perpetually burning Ossiarch Bonereapers are necessary to Mannfred Von Carnstein.
For another fucking *stellar* Nagash quote "WHEN NAGASH COMMANDS YOUR SURRENDER, HIS VOICE IS LEGION. WHERE HE STRIDES, STARS GUTTER OUT. WHERE HE STANDS, THE EARTH GROANS." -One of the Hunt For Nagash audio dramas
Sigmar is even willing to share the spotlight. I don't know how it is in AoS, but in Fantasy there were plenty of other cults and religions in Empire that were tolerated and well respected. Myrmidia, Taal, Ulric, Morr, and others were allowed to exist and as long as you weren't worshipping Chaos and weren't trying to destroy the Empire, Sigmar was pretty cool with it.
in aos there are people under sigmars banner that worship the goddess of life. there arn't that many gods running around AOS worthy of worship, fantasy had way more gods. *pours one out for the lady, sad Monty python noises*
In the beginning of the mortal realms sigmar was the one that started an alliance between all the other gods (even Nagash) to keep chaos out Now granted this failed because multiple gods betrayed this alliance (aka Nagash and co) but it shows that Sigmar is not only tolerant of other gods but that he is also willing to work together to protect the mortals of the realms.
Sigmar in AoS super accepting. In the Cities of Sigmar army, you had dwarfs who worship Grimnir/Grungni, dark elves who worship Khaine, high elves who worship the Ur-Phoenix, and can ally with worshippers of Khaine, Teclis, and so on
Anyone can be one of his soldiers. Even the fucking Orks can join his side and fight for him just by doing the bare minimum of going above and beyond for fighting against Chaos. He doesn't care what god you fight for just so long as it isn't Chaos.
I imagine that in any tabletop game in any setting whenever pancreas starts losing he just slams a piece of paper on the table that say's Karl Franz and declares it a win
@@RukdugEmperors whole thing was the best for humanity and just fucked them the whole way. The ends justify the means and now they're worse off because of him
Only reason Skaven became followers of Archaon in End Times is because the Horned Rat was 'convinced' by the Big Four Victories in reality mean shit when you are a weaker Chaos God
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS Chaos has its own rules Horned Rat does not monopolize any primary emotions plus Skaven provide much less power to their God Slaanesh alone would would curbstomp the Horned Rat before Age of Sigmar
extra note on Khorne: he doesn't care why you follow him, one of the early AoS books has a champion of Khorne that he gave enough power to them that they almost became a general of the Everchosen, even though his expressed reason for following was to gain enough power to attack Khorne himself, just claiming skulls with the desire to fight something *way* beyond him was all Khorne needed to grant him boon after boon.
@@wolf2403 from that same story we have a top leader of the clan that does almost no killing yet gets boons from how hard his whip makes other fight, so yea; feed those armies for tye blood god
I'll call it here, I don't know about Fantasy, but in Warhammer 40k Isha is the only actively good god, while Cegorach is the best god in his role as a god. Isha always cared for her people, even before the fall, and even when trapped by Nurgle she still does her best to whisper to the whole galaxy the secrets of how to cure the diseases of the Plague God Cegorach on the other hand is leagues below in power to Tzeentch, the Deciever or Big E, but he is smart enough (and also not a complete asshole) to rival the other great schemers of the galaxy. He manages to protect his servant's souls from Slaanesh, and can even beat She Who Thirst for the souls of the Solos. Also, he is responsible for the whole Ynnead scheme, meaning that unlike the oher three fucks he actually did something good for the whole galaxy instead of just making things worse Edit: well damn, you know what, I can agree with Gork and Mork. WAAAAAAGH
agree isha is the only real god worth worshiping in 40K. i'd be pretty sick if she ended up as a major player in 40k simlar to her AOS equivlant. id be preetty sweet seeing human/eldar fighting side by side with "demons" of isha aka trents,dyrads etc.
The problem with Big E is just how inconsistant his character is. I get he's supposed to be mysterious, but because he's so ill defined, his personallity shifts drastically with each author.
Hey you know what would be really funny and original. Someone should definitely say “This video here, Inquisitor” It would be so fucking funny and original
Alfabusa unironically hard-carried the more "creative" sides of Warhammer 40K memes Without him, it'll be 4chyngz to le-reddit which regurgitate the same hershey heresy memes for the next fucking decade, no wonder that many of the chronologically progressing portions of recent Warhammer 40K lore sounds eerily similar to TTS version of the lore, sometimes the best of fandom will inherit the legacies to have movement and progression into conclusion proper, no settings will stand proper without beginning, ending and resolves Hence why perpetually continuing Warhammer 40K would potentially ended up resulting in what current Star Wars does under Extended Universe/"Legends", then prequel trilogy then somehow worsen under Disney on meta level of real life marketing through lore butchering Also don't get me even started with Harry Potter on the other extreme spectrum to Marvel/DC with their own perpetually contuinuing comic industry
Mandatory "If Magnus had been warned about how treacherous and hostile the entities of the warp really were then he and his legion could have stopped the heresy in its tracks and would have done nothing wrong"
Mandatory, if Magnus had been told he could still been curious because he doesn’t know better and might think he’s overplaying chaos and go to investigate himself
@@Abysalss Mandatory, if the Emperor went with him and showed him the eye of terror or brought in Eldrad to tell Magnus about the Eldar empire then Magnus would have been super cooperative and sat on the stupid throne for the Emperor
@@Fly-the-LightOr maybe Magnus's ego takes over and he decides "Well I can probably handle this chaos thing better than the space elves. After all, I'M the smartest of the Primarchs"
shout out to that one time Khorne ordered 8 bloodthirsters to lead the attack on Terra while Guilliman was there and when they failed he got so world shatteringly assmad he caused them all to evaporate with a thought
That’s be a fucked up thing to whisper into someones ear at the moment of their death. If that person is a warhammer fan who gets the reference then it’d be hilarious. Still fucked up, but hilarious.
1 more thing, if you are working against the ideals (either by not knowing what he wanted or deviating because you want) of the Emperor while being in a position of power you can get away easily, that doesnt happen with Khorne, he turns you into a Chaos spawn
You say this like you needed a reason why R/Athiest God is worse At least for the Chaos Gods, if you are high up on the list, you won’t be flat out betrayed/murdered unless you intentionally cause problems like Skarbrand.
So nurgle is the ugly bastard getting the waifu and not the jimmy space. That's some galactic NTR. The emperor has chronic bitch dependency according to A pimp named slickback.
@@Predator20357 Eh, dont know about that, you are never safe when you worship Tzeentch at least, and you better not displease Slaneesh unless you want to be dancing for all eternity like the masque
2:26 Magnus was the king of guy who was never gonna take a "just trust me on this one from anyone". It would have made a lot more sense to inform him about chaos, making sure he is well informed of the risk. Also, not telling the primarchs about the webway project was just idiotic. And sending Russ, the guy who hated magnus more than any other primarch was the dumbest desition the empero could have made, unless he actually wanted magnus dead.
I think Russ was chosen for two reasons; 1) He was closer than other brothers and he needed Magnus back ASAP. 2) Emps was confident that Russ would obey any order he gave him, likely because he'd killed a Primarch before (it's never confirmed but come on). What he didn't bank on was Horus being that persuasive, Magnus surrendering to fate in a bid to not have his actions manipulated, and the fact that Russ is an absolute moron.
@@papanurgle8393 I seem to remember (could be wrong) that there were other primarchs available, the emperor just chose Russ because he was his executioner (it has been implied that either him or the Lion were the ones who put down the 2 unnamed primarchs), which just higlhlights why he was such a bad choice for the task. Probably a guy with negotiation skills like Guilliman or Vulkan would have been better, or even a more level headed person like Dorn or Ferrus would have been a better choice (Neither of these two liked Magnus, but at least would have coordinated the attack better, Russ didn´t even bother to coordinate his attack with Valdor and the custodes, and almost got destroyed when the thousand sons retaliated)
@@lvo9197 I'm convinced that if he'd chosen Jaghatai or Sanguinius, Prospero would never have burned. Both had helped Mags and the Emperor set up the Librarius, and neither had the predjudices that Russ did. I'm not 100% sure on the timeline, but my understanding was that; -Vulkan, Corax and Ferrus were getting dispatched to Isstvann 5. -Horus had sent the First *WAY* out on the galactic rim to ensure Lion'El didn't get in his way. -Sanguinius was at Signus battling Daemons. -The White Scars were at Chondax clearing out Ork remnants from Ullanor. -The Ultramarines were ordered to muster at Calth. -Dorn and co were kept on Terra to continue fortifying the Sol system and the Imperial Palace.
The English word Emperor is derived from the latin Imperator (pronounced Im-pah-rat-or) and was famously used by the Roman Emperors. It should be noted noted that the office of Imperator from Caeser to Diocletian was a very informal one despite it's massive power. At its roots, Imperator means "One who bears Imperium" and Imperium in the original Roman context means "Authority", more specifically the Authority given by the Senate to someone to command a Roman Army on campaign. In a more modern context imagine if the US was taken over by a military dictatorship headed by a general who they got a puppet congress to give them Five Star General rank. After said general died, another dictator rose from the US navy to take their place and got the packed puppet congress to name them a Five Star Admiral. From then on, the dictatorial US was ruled by a military leader who was named Five-Star General or Admiral. In time, people simply referred to the Dictator of America as being a Five-Star.
so an emperor is more like the highest ranking military commanding officer that been put in charge of a nation in a modern sense. Well there is this thing call generalisssimo which is essentially a 6 star general.
Sigmar is who the Imperial Faith want the Emperor to be. Nagash is who the Emperor would be given the chance. Gork and Mork are what the Imperial Guard wishes the Emperor would be. Khorne is the guy the Emperor keeps trying to rip off. Yeah, I said it. Skull obsession? Big old Throne he refuses to leave? Working mostly through summoned entities? Followers that have "Blood" in the name? Dislike of space magic despite really only existing because of space magic? A love for plot armor enabled melee combat over actual firepower when given the opportunity? Bastard is literally trying to be a Khorne copy cat and doesn't even realize it.
Pancreas, this is an intervention... i need you to understand that Magnus the Pious was, is and will always be the best Emperor that ever ruled the empire, period. Never saw Franzy boy there take a flame bath in Middenheim and sure as hell he failed to stop his Everchosen where Magnus did with an empire in a condition 10 times worse, to then guide the Empire in a golden age AND he is the guy who created the Empire's motto of faith, steel and gunpowder... also The Pious is a badass nickname. I rest my case.
The Total War version of Karl is really what he should have been in tabletop lore. He spends his rule uniting the Empire, and when Archeon shows up, the Chaostide gets stomped by the Ordertide. Karl Franz should have been the Krazy Glue for the good guys that Sigmar became.
@@reentrysfs6317 The Laughing God: Do you like trolling people? Do you like being literal murder-clowns that're better than the Joker will ever be? Do you like the idea of being Sander FUCKING COHEN but as a Space Elf? Then he's the God for you. Isha: Literally tells everyone about Nurgle's diseases and how to cure them. Khairne: Equal footing, if not outright worse.
You can say that he helped Humanity out of the dark ages, however the dude is a Pile of Crap that wanted a religion around what he wanted but doesn’t wanted to admit it was a religion.
So refreshing. After hearing all those praises from Emperor-lovers to their disgusting idol, it is cool to see there are some who see him for what he is... just another narcissistic tyrant
@@mausolus8466 PancreasNoWork is what I needed in the WarHammer community He praises hated races like the Eldar, Tau, High Elves He hates Chaos He is annoyed at the Imperia Bootlicking and how they barely act like a dying empire He hates the reworked lore Bretonnia He actually shows love for AoS Oh and he shit talks GW to show he isn’t some weird shill. Jokes aside, I appreciate WH more because this dude actually made the other races seem fun
@@Predator20357 Aye, even though I'm more forgiving towards Chaos, I still appreciate one of the few members of Warhammer content creators that is not Imperial fanboy that keeps showering us with BS excuses for Imperium and Emperor.
*Pancreas get shot by Inquistor* I: To claim a god is greater than the Emperor! Heresy! *Inquisitor get shot by Witch Hunter* WH: To claim mighty Sigmar is weak than a half dead corpse! Heresy!
Okay, now I want to see a video about "What If Sigmar was the Emperor of Mankind" instead of Big E. Hell, even the other Gods mentioned in this video would be fun to speculate.
Gork and Mork are a *singular force* that has two personia.... Orks are crazy like that. Picture them as a Ying and Yang symbol and your on the right track, oh... and welcome to Abstract Orkist.
@@BloodPaladin88 GW isn't against using warp entities and gods ideas be given the same name and status as the other verse so it honestly wouldn't surprise me if 40k gorkamorka existed in some form or another.
Khrone is my favorite simply because a God that is straight forward and honest about what he wants from you and what worshipping him does for you is really refreshing as far as Gods go. If worshipping him didn't turn you into a rabid, seething Grug brain he would easily be the best God in the setting.
If you're able to create a solid line and make damn sure you never cross that line, you can keep your sanity. Khorne is the god of honour so if you ask Khorne to keep your morals and honour intact, he might just do it. There's an entire regent that fell to Khorne but are completely sane for the most part despite all of the years they've been under his influence.
Harlequin’s god is pretty good too! Actually saves the souls of his followers, helps keeps them safe, and actually gives them an afterlife… not sure what kind but still.
he also matches wits with the chaos gods and sets things in motion that give the non chaos factions so help such as the Ynnead thing which leads the Eldar having hope in a future that isn't getting brutalized by Slanesh and for the Imperium, Guilliman returning giving them a leader who both isn't a colossal and actually has the backing and cloat to take advantage of not being an idiot (something most compitent imperials don't have the luxary to do).
Just creatures I kidnapped from the games workshop store I got five of them now, they’re starting to adapt to my luring of them using the squiggoth and imperial knight model. Tomorrow I’m going to try out the forge world war mumakil model to attract a wider goblin audience
L + Ratio + still alive + not dead + no drip + no ghost cloak + no skeleton butler + no vampires + cant eat souls + no spine chin + small hat + such is the power of Nagash
In fairness to Sigmar on the Archeaon manner. He was trapped in the vortex until Teclis freed him. He laments how he desperately tried to save Archeaon while the warding of the vortex trapped him inside.
Actually I think sigma is easily a better God than the emperor of mankind for a very simple reason. In fantasy ordinary human beings are capable of holding back the dark of chaos and some of the most badass morals who have ever existed are from Warhammer fantasy. The ordinary people of the imperium exists to be bullet sponges for more important people. So sigmar has the better mortal followers and the God who creates the best people to follow him is the better God
Counter point to the Emperor not trusting humans to do anything but fuck everything up: he is very frequently correct and humans DO fuck shit up. And I like that about him. In fact some of my favorite parts of 40k lore are elements of the imperium directly working against the interest of other parts of the imperium (Inquisition, Mechanics, Ecclesiarchy) in pursuit of short sighted goals causing even more horrific problems for the Imperium as a whole without the influence of Chaos or Xenos.
@@luxsuperbia1531 As the greatest paragon of human kind, this means that when the Emperor is stupid and dumb, he is the stupidest and dumbest. He literally can't help it XD
Nurgle is a 10/10 god cause he cares about all his followers from the tiniest bacteria to a great unclean one. Even when his followers make mistakes like kugath he doesn’t utterly destroy them he supports them
The perfect human can't exist. To be human is to make mistakes, perfect beings don't do that. A perfect hero can exist, a perfect ruler can exist, but a perfect human can not... Not unless they're gigachad anyway.
Technically any god is better than the big guy if you take into account the “uhm akshually” of him not wanting to be a god in the first place Crazy how we also consider him a god even though we’d be classified as 5th dimensional warp-beasts since we know more about the imperium and the emperor than even one of the smartest scribes they can muster up
While I agree fullheartedly with how you described nagash as such a cartoony villain that always loses... does he actually lose? I mean think about he's so powerful as The God of The Dead that not even SIGMAR, nor any other god, can stop him from taking claim of souls. sure he could lose every single battle, but his armies will kill something in those fights and all of that goes to nagash.
Nagash is unique in that most of his losses end up being a case of following forward, because the results of his failures create conditions that either accidentally increase his power, or sets up things for him to try something even grander. But he's better than Thanquol because he does have some legit wins, and even though his losses can propel him forward, he has had some true definitive losses that have set him back. It's honestly really fitting for a god that get's stronger even when he loses. The undead can just be reraised, and more souls means the host always grows.
Khorne getting recognition is rad as hell and a neat often forgotten fact is khorne doesn't like suffering, just blood and mad. Also has a bit of honor and loyalty as subthemes underneath all the blood. Slannesh is all about feeling and excess, Khorne just wants blood. Torture and unnecessarily prolonging the process is a tease and slannesh's territory, and Khorne hates slannesh. Blood for the blood God, skulls for the skull throne.
Nagash actually has a decent charge against him in a fight tbh. He’ll probably lose but he is considered the number 1 threat a lot of the time by the chaos gods and he also is able to hold claims of land in the eightpoints
All gods from best to worst - Gork ‘n Mork: greatest in both power and they give their followers what they want no strings attached. - Isha: genuinely nice lady who just wants people to be happy and healthy - Nurgle: genuinely cares for his followers but is a bit of a buttmunch for keeping Isha in a cage - Khorne: honest and brutal. Nothing more nothing less. - Khaine: older eldar version of Khorne, would be higher but his avatar gets its ass kicked any time it manifests so he’s only at 5 - Emperor: huge asshole, terrible father, eats psychic children, literal half dead corpse. His only redeeming factor is he fights for humanity. - Tzeentch: name is stupid, looks like the male lead of a hentai, and his plots seemingly go somewhere and nowhere at the same time. - Slaanesh: literal serial killer and rapist, also probably does other unspeakable things. The absolute worst. Honorable mentions - C’tan: would be higher if most of them weren’t dead or so one dimensional and such a non factor in the current story. - Malal: a anti chaos god would’ve been pretty cool but he got smothered in the crib with a retcon pillow by GW.
Saying "gods better than Emp" is like saying "Gourds better than a juniper berry" Comparing apples and oranges here, the Emperor is a physical guy. If he turned into a warp entity like Magnus, then maybe he could be a 'god' but such as he is, he isn't What I'm really trying to say is, read the Grimderp Warhammer 50k fanfiction
I think your point regarding the stormcast and trust is a bit weak considering big E trusted his sons/grandsons enough to literally conquer the galaxy with almost no supervision or oversight from him after Ullanor
The emperor also lactose intolerant, as he was born 8000 years ago (lactose tolerance began 6000 years ago). Now you might be thinking “ah but he’s the peak of human evolution” but we are only able to drink milk because of co-evolution with other animals, the peak of human evolution would have no reason to develop tolerance. He can’t even relate to memes in spooky season about skeletons loving milk when he IS ONE SMH.
I think all the eldar gods do, except maybe Khaine and yet he still actively fights for them. Asuryian still makes yay or nay decisions with his flame, Isha is not only rooting for her people, but also handing out the cures for free to everyone else, and the other gods, or what’s left of them, are probably doing whatever they can from within the bowels of Slanesh. And then before Slanesh, the eldar gods were pretty much the only thing keeping the chaos gods at bay by periodically krumping any dangers in the Warp.
I maintain that the best thing GW can do for 40k as a setting is destroy earth. Like don't even address how it happened, introduce a shitton of very ominous consequences that tell parts of the story but nowhere near the whole story, like the void dragon being loose, Vulcan reappearing and fretting that the hammer talisman went off, new nid bioforms showing up that are SCARILY more powerful than they should be, another sudden expansion of the eye of terror or at least amping the potency of the demons that can come out of it with some claiming to be followers of an entirely new god created by how those quintilions of souls that were packed onto holy Terra died.
Love the video but gotta disagree on 1 thing warhammer fantastically is on a single planet and warhammer 40k is like the whole or a large amount of the galaxy the chaos gods in sigmar have the power of a single planet 40k gods are getting power from the whole galaxy By Ps im probably being a sissy billy being the ActUaLlY guy 👽
dude, I know you won't see this, but it'd be exceptionally awesome if you did a Bloodbowl video. I swear I'd be a patron if you were to say you'd do it. You seem like THE 40k youtuber meant to talk about it.
1) The Emperor isn't a god 2) Look at the things that are called 'gods' in the 41st millennium 3) Insert TTS short 4 here 4) Praise the Man-Emperor of Mankind
I take issue with the claim that the Emperor didnt warn the Primarchs about chaos at all, because they do seem to have had some basic knowledge about it and as for the "whole" truth, Malcador does confirm that one of the Primarchs was trusted with the Info. We also know for certain that both Horus and Alpharius had a grasp of chaos to some degree, Horus knew what Chaos was when he explained daemons to Loken and when Loken told him the Interex thought they brought "Chaos" with them, Horus understood what Chaos meant, before he'd been manipulated by Erebus. This is all in Horus Rising alone. Then in Legion, Alpharius explains to an Imperial Army general that the reason the Campaign is going so badly is because the enemy are backed by the powers of Chaos and while John Gramaticus does dismiss it as an overly simplistic understanding, it is an understanding, Alpharius and Omegon know about it. Magnus and Leman both knew to a degree because the Thousand Sons used literal warp entities as familiars and the Space Wolves knew enough to be like "bro that is sus on so many fuckin levels, your literally chillin with warp entities", the issues with Magnus is he was naive and thought he could bend the warp to his will without it biting back, we can be pretty sure that Magnus had been told before that he should be more cautious with his studies as Nikea was generally described as a last straw, like, "oh you've rly done it now Magnus" where the Emperor basically had his hand forced. The Lion also certainly has some understanding of it considering his upbringing. They just werent told everything because that would have caused its own problems, Magnus is the obvious one, but Dorn would have fallen alongside Magnus as Malcador explains that Dorn would have done everything he could to understand Chaos in order to better defend against it, but in doing so, he'd have eventually fallen to chaos as well. As for Lorgar, he'd probably fall as well as his worship would still be rejected and would likely still be opened up to giving chaos a chance as soon as his "faith" was shaken. Also, I think people judge the Emperor too much for loving humanity but not caring about every individual human, nobody can care about everyone within the scope of a signle country or world, the Emperor was handling humanities fate, future and managing a galactic empire, It's impossible to remember every human world in the Imperium, let alone care about it, but the Emperor does work to make life better for as many people as possible and is trying to save humanity as a whole, and he's also thinking in the long term. The Emperor understood that people had needs and wanted them to live well, thats why he chose Guilliman to make an example to Lorgar, Monarchia was an iscolated, supersticious backwater shithole, wheras Guilliman made planets that were actually nice to live on with functioning societies and happy populations. Also the Emperor did put a lot of trust in others, considering his Primarchs were largely left to their own devices, even while the Emperor was at the head of the Crusade, they had a degree of autonamy, and theres Malcador and the High Lords, which used to be far more than 12 lords, it used to be hundreads and then of course theres the navis nobilite, the planatary and sector governorships, the Emperor really wasnt an oppressive tyrant, he delegated a hell of a lot and put his trust in compitent people. Also, the "I know I am right" from the Last Church, he was being framed as the "bad guy" of that story essentially, it was meant to make the Emperor look bad, which is why he made shitty arguments, generally, also in a sense...he is actually right, hia way is actually the only way, his was was working, if the Heresy didnt happen, he'd have won, he was right. Also it wasnt to differenciate him from being a god it was to differenciate him from being "another tyrant" unlike tyrants who think their doing whats right, the Emperor known, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he is right. Also the Emperor wasnt a god while he was alive and he's barely a god in death, he's still alive but his psyke is fractured beyond belief. The Legion of the Damned does do a lot as well, it just has the caviat of "everyone forgets they ever showed up" as soon as the Legion of the Damned dissapears, and despite this, when the great rift showed, sightings of the Legion skyroccated, and considering the forgetting thing, even more sightings never got reported. Its basically a neet excuse for writers to say "yea their doing stuff but we cant be asked to write anything". And sorry for all the "also's" ALSO, the Emperor has the whole Imperium working for him, so if he had massive daemon armies going out often enough to rival the Chaos gods, that might tip the scaled a bit too much, not to mention it would piss of fanboys from literally every other faction, especially Chaos.
I only like the Emperor a little because of the irony in his situation. He was created by lord knows what to be this perfect immortal guy that's perfect at everything and super smart and all that jazz to singlehandedly bring humanity up and appear as divine as possible. Then he gets pissed when people try to worship him because "i'm just a man, bro", only for him to get strapped to a fancy chair and worshipped as a god anyways while getting as many psykers as possible shoved up his ass.
I think so so much of Warhammer started as "hey man wouldn't it be funny if ____" and then adding inspiration from things like Judge Dredd and Dune that were popular in sci-fi and fantasy as the time Example: "Hey man wouldn't it be funny if the jesus guy in this universe, that the zealots who use organized religion to fuel war and propaganda, was an atheist himself? And deliberately told people not to worship him? Haha that's perfect for this crazy silly dark universe we're making" And then later writers end up creating stuff like living saints or gaurdsmen staving off daemons with their faith So accidentally they're making a system that shows humanity would've been better off using the warp powers and religious belief for their own benefit That's one example of many but essentially what originally served the story as parody ends up leading to more and more contradictions the longer this universe exists and the longer hundreds of writers keep jamming new ideas and new lore where it doesn't fit Parody goofy cartoony grimdark of the 80s and early 90s doesn't line up with the more flat "factual" grimdark of the 2000s-present
The Dawn of Fire novel from the Rising Storm book series in 40k very well demonstrates Khorne's ability to eschew staple violence in favor for subtle strategy and ploys, so long as it brings about the same end. The Crusade of Slaughter nearly caused a second Great Rift leading directly to Terra entirely due to the efforts of one main battlefleet and a team of Word Bearer's Sorcerers who are typically reviled by the servants of the blood god for their magic. Much like Tyranids, anyone who discounts the antics of blood worshippers as mere berserkerism is due for failure.
I don't know if these are a fair comparison. If many worship you, does that make you a god, regardless of what you yourself believe? In my opinion the emperor being a massive egotistical hypocrite actually supports his claims that he is not a god. He doesn't want your love, worship or faith, just obedience. Exactly what we should expect from a frayed conglomeration of human souls.
To be fair, The Emperor doesn’t like being worshipped despite having the power and acting pretty much exactly like one. Also implied to have influenced or directly created many of Humanities major past religions. Which I guess because he saw all the flaws in, decided to abandon them and so massively overcorrect/go the opposite direction…which was far worse IMHO. Especially since the Imperial Truth was literally a massive lie that IMHO was always doomed to fail.
3:43 Dont forget the part where Big E says "I am not a god, but there are also no gods. Also I am the master of mankind and therefore no one is above me." While failing to see that he is literally taking the place of a god in all but name. You might change the title, but if the only difference between the title Emperor and God is what they are called than there is no difference functionally speaking. Both titles in the 30k imperium meant the same thing. The highest authority, and Ideal. Only Big E was perhaps even worse, because while he could definitly be the highest authority. He was unable to be the highest ideal. I mean can anyone name even a single character trait from the emperor that was inspiring or admirable? I mean sure he stands against chaos, but anyone with any inclination of what chaos is would do that. Hell even people with no inclination of what chaos is often fight it in their daily lives. Not to mention that while the Emperor is a leader hes more like that guys D&D high charisma character. You know the guy. The guy who puts no effort into his character, and just rolls charisma to get people to do what he wants, and than uses his minmaxed OP power fantasy of a character to knock anyone who doesn't listen to his commands senseless before commiting some horrible atrocity on them. P.S. (aka Post Script for the uninitiated) You might read this and think I hate the Emperor as a character or something. I actually dont. Infact I love the Emperor as a character. I just disagree with the people who think he was the 'Good guy' of 40k. The Emperor in my opinion is 40ks single greatest villain, and it is solely because of his actions that the 40k galaxy is as fucked at it is today. (well until recent writing with the imperium now being stronger then ever before.) I also think he hasn't been getting the respect he deserves. Recent books basically potraying him as more or less a sideshow character. With them giving the creation of Astartes to a woman named Astarte (Why GW?!?), Cawls countless technological achievements exceeding that of the eldar and Big E (Again why?!?) anyway rant done.
Cawl spent ten-thousand years to perform a minor improvement. The Emperor spent only ten years to make the Astartes with help from Astarte, the reason being because while he can make powerful warriors en masse (Thunder Warriors were superior to the Astartes in every way except intelligence) I don't think he knows how to make stable mass-produced warriors with functional brains. He might be able to do it solo but he probably needed help to speed things along. Who smarter than a perpetual to help him? Same goes for the Primarchs. He could definitely do it alone, but he might not have the time to do it solo as we know he was rushing the Crusade along. He could definitely do all of this alone, but the question is whether or not he had the time to, you know, with juggling the Astartes, Thunder Warriors and Primarchs all while preparing for a crusade. He might be smart and powerful, but he's only one man. A powerful man but still a man.
@@starhammer5247 um... you haven't read the lore have you. He actually did it in under... either a hundred years or at most a thousand. Aka a fraction of the time the emperor did it. He then spent the nexy 9900 - 9000 years creating arming, and hiding entire legions of these astartes which were downright upgrades. Further the emperor had also been trying for decades if not centuries to improve the astartes Geneseed see the raptors. This still failed and it was made by the creator of the astrates. Further the best and brightest of the imperium tried this very thing with the cursed founding... hazard to guess why they call it cursed XD. However the Primaris are not Cawls only offense. He has also figured out how to restore world the tyranids have damaged or outright destroyed. This process will only take a century on the worst of these planets. Something the Eldar Empire and Humanity during the golden age couldn't do. For both of them it took centuries just to do partial teraforming, and millennia to tens of millenia if starting from zero. And that's just two examples. I have also heard that he's messing necron technology to create stable warp lanes across the warp rift. But I haven't read it yet so I can't confirm that last one. (Other then I know they have stable lanes across the gap now.) Finally he did all of this in absoulte secrecy. As even minor attempts at anything resembling this (See the Badab war, Cursed founding, and Emperors children [yeah its 30k but it shows how it was highly illegal even back then]) I could go on, and on. For the simple reason that this lore was poorly written and done without considering any of the lore the came before it. Because it was ultimately just an excuse to sell new miniatures.
@@irontemplar6222 But it's been established that each and every single Primaris he made was around since before the Heresy. The Imperial Fist Primaris he has are more Imperial Fist than the actual Fists themselves. He had those millions since the Heresy. If he really did it in only a hundred, why did it take him so long to finish it when these upgrades could've been produced years ago while the Primarchs were still around and kept the Imperium from getting so shit? The Primarchs would've accepted these upgrades and they were still around a hundred years after the Heresy. The only reason why they wouldn't take those upgrades would be if they weren't reliable and were too dangerous to implement. Quite simply, while he may have figured out the procedures, getting them to work and making them viable for mass-production is entirely different beast. He might have figured out the upgrades, but making them widely available, figuring them out, and making sure that not everyone just fucking dies when it gets applied to them takes a lot more work, trial and error. He definitely did not just come up with it on the spot and succeeded. He fucked up a lot to get to this point. And again, the Emperor had the crusade to worry about, the Webway Project, and his timetable which he refused to compromise on (which is why Lorgar got his ass handed to him) to worry about spending all of his time in making better Astartes. Again, more shit to worry about. Same goes for making the Astartes in the first place as he was busy with the Unification Wars and the Thunder Warriors.
@@starhammer5247 ...I think you just made my argument for why this lore is poorly written and all around terrible. Also no he was completely finished with the upgrade in less then a hundred years. He never had a problem with it at all. We do not have even the slightest mention of so much as a setback. It should also be noted that Cawl supposedly never even had access to the orginal reserch, or documents regarding the emperors work on the geneseed. Literally none. He was starting from scratch and even Big E had to use stright up black magic to make them work as well as they did.
Emps might beat Ranald in a fight but the second he sees Ranald's middle finger fucking up his vermintide loot he'll immediately die of a rage induced heart attack
Khorne is the Johnny Lawrence/John Kreese of the Chaos Gods. "Don't be a pussy!" "Strike First! Strike Hard! No Mercy!" With all the violence and evil going on in the Warhammer universe, Khorne should be the strongest deity in Warhammer. The Orks killing each other and other races, all the various xenos species fighting each other, the humans fighting each other over religion and fighting the aliens, all of that should benefit Khorne to the point where he could kill the other Chaos gods with a wet fart and snap Big E's soul like a kit-kat bar.
Imagine a god that was composed of all the foul oaths and curses hurled at the gods. The manifestation of everytime some one said "goddamn" or cussed out loud with a deities name, acting as one, smooth talking jerk that only lives to annoy the other deities and laugh at there mistakes. All because it amuses him.
Gonna be honest I like that the Emperor is a terrible god. Like he doesn't *want* to be a god, he just wants the best for humanity and he's stumbling ahead of us in the dark trying to find the least awful path
Idk the whole failing to avoid Archaon being a thing by just showing a sign to him at one moment was such a colossal fuck up by Hammer Jesus. I mean that was so easily avoidable it’s painful. That definitely knocks sigmar down a peg in my books and worse than any of Big E’s fuck ups in my opinion (despite that it was just bad writing more than anything)
Let's be honest the best gods are the c'tans on account that they're actual gods unlike the warp gods that are either literal mistakes (the chaos gods), a weapon gone rogue (the eldar gods, maybe ork gods and according to a c'tan the emperor too) or some mortal f*ck that somehow achieved godhood (pretty much any non-chaos god in fantasy and pretty much all of them except the big six chaos gods and a couple of destruction gods in age of sigmar)
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Mother of Guh
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-google translate
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Gork and mork are the nicest warhammer gods because they give their species exactly what the fuck they want.
No scheming, no grand plan bullshit, just go kick the shit out of everyone that isn’t green.
Superb point
“Great Gork! Mag-nif-cent Mork! Give me somfing ta fight!”
*giant green okay sign appears in the sky as a horde of skaven erupt from the ground*
“Da godz are good!”
@@nerdyvids1 I mean yeah everytime ghazghknull needed shit he had to fight to get it, which is JUST HOW HE LIKES IT.
Based and Gork and Mork pilled
Gork 'n Mork iz da bestest gods
-Orkz
Please make at least two more of these. Because there are like a dozen different gods who are probably better than the emperor in 40K. That's not to discount any of his accomplishments but when Neo started setting up his Imperium, He apparently had a million things to do and yet didn't count for any backups. In fact there's no word on him ever trying to make a Christ child or something version of him since he's covered in religious iconography despite being an atheist personally and elevated to the status of a god. And not just any god but the supreme God of all mankind. Or at least of the I'm guessing probably nearly 500,000 to over 1 million worlds but were conquered by the Imperium after the Age of Strife. Like for one thing I'm those idiots who still want the Interex to be alive in 40k Like how the squats have come back as part of the Votann Empires located near the galactic core. And would love to see the Emperor stuck on his golden throne It's a psychically reach out to the Interex because they're closer to what he wanted the Imperium to be but he chooses not to because their friends with the Eldar and he hates all aliens.
The big E shift personallity because his soul its broken.
Every profet that make its souls whole, think for himself now.
They also get mad at each others.
Its more people in one.
That his also why the difference beetween chosen is so drastic.
Nagash: Oh, you’re a villain alright. But you’re not a supervillain
Big E: What’s the difference
Nagash: Presentation!!!
🎉🎉*rainbow colour confetti cannon go off* 🎉🎉
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The confetti is ofcourse made from the shredded remnants of damned souls...somehow, look Nagash found a (definitely) horrific way to do it!
Malal/ice: I've been a baaaad boy!
*insert screams of a mass of damned souls smashed into a giant walking behemoth and an army of spooky scary skeletons*
Then setra walks up and bitch slaps nagash xD.
There is no such thing as a better god than the Emperor. There is nothing better than the Imperium. There is definitely not an Inquisitor holding a gun to my head as I write this.
How about the emperor with a text to speech device?
@@TheOnlyRealWolf There is one such thing as a better god than the Emperor. (God I miss TTS. HTP is good tho.)
@@notballer365 I leave the 40k community for a few years and now one of it's saving graces is apparently gone or something. What happened to TTS, did it use one GW trademarked item too many or something and got the axe?
Hello inquisitor!
@@physical_insanity
From what I remember (I got kind of depressed from the whole thing so I forgot a lot of what happened) Alfa Busa was worried that because of GW taking down so many fan projects and stuff that if he continued they would take down the entire TTS series, an almost ten year effort by him and so many others. I think of his options this was the “best” as I don’t think I could live in a world where I can’t even rewatch the series. However the real best option would be for GW to remove the chainsword from up their collective asses and let him continue.
I want you all to appreciate that this man has risked being hunted by both the Inquisitors and Witch Hunters just to bring us a 12 minute video. Truly a heroic sacrifice which shall be remembered.
Wait, won't we be hunted down since we watched thi
"Heroic sacrifice"? That's not how you spell "assisted suicide".
@@peterbarca8783 yes, you should start running now.
The difference between Nagash and the Emperor is that while the latter tries to justify being evil the former will literally say "so what?"
“Eat shit, living fucker. Just for that I’m gonna be ten times as awful purely because I hate you in particular.”- Nagash, explaining why a legion of perpetually burning Ossiarch Bonereapers are necessary to Mannfred Von Carnstein.
"cry about it"-dancing undead kroxigor.gif
Yeah pretty much. Such is the power of Nagash.
Evil because he wants to be.
nagash is the spiritual embodiment of "ok but who asked?"
For another fucking *stellar* Nagash quote
"WHEN NAGASH COMMANDS YOUR SURRENDER, HIS VOICE IS LEGION. WHERE HE STRIDES, STARS GUTTER OUT. WHERE HE STANDS, THE EARTH GROANS." -One of the Hunt For Nagash audio dramas
God damn it, now i have to imagine the dirt making little ahe gao faces whenever nagash walks vaguely nearby.
There is a significant difference between groaning and moaning and I am very thankful for this fact.
Setra doesn't serve Setra rules
Sigmar is even willing to share the spotlight. I don't know how it is in AoS, but in Fantasy there were plenty of other cults and religions in Empire that were tolerated and well respected. Myrmidia, Taal, Ulric, Morr, and others were allowed to exist and as long as you weren't worshipping Chaos and weren't trying to destroy the Empire, Sigmar was pretty cool with it.
His Stormcast worship other Gods including Taal, Myrmidia IIRC, and a Godbeast who isn’t even Dracothion. He’s 100% still chill with it.
in aos there are people under sigmars banner that worship the goddess of life. there arn't that many gods running around AOS worthy of worship, fantasy had way more gods. *pours one out for the lady, sad Monty python noises*
In the beginning of the mortal realms sigmar was the one that started an alliance between all the other gods (even Nagash) to keep chaos out
Now granted this failed because multiple gods betrayed this alliance (aka Nagash and co) but it shows that Sigmar is not only tolerant of other gods but that he is also willing to work together to protect the mortals of the realms.
Sigmar in AoS super accepting. In the Cities of Sigmar army, you had dwarfs who worship Grimnir/Grungni, dark elves who worship Khaine, high elves who worship the Ur-Phoenix, and can ally with worshippers of Khaine, Teclis, and so on
Anyone can be one of his soldiers. Even the fucking Orks can join his side and fight for him just by doing the bare minimum of going above and beyond for fighting against Chaos. He doesn't care what god you fight for just so long as it isn't Chaos.
I imagine that in any tabletop game in any setting whenever pancreas starts losing he just slams a piece of paper on the table that say's Karl Franz and declares it a win
A logical conclusion, everybody knows whoever brings Karl Franz up first win, no matter the game or the situation
“Bro this is a game of BattleTech.”
“Shut the fuck up.”
@@pancreasnowork9939 LOL
@@pancreasnowork9939 Karl franz for first lord of the star league
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"Sir this is a McDonald's"
"Don't care+Didn't ask+Sigmarpilled"
I feel like Big E loves humanity and Sigmar loves humans
Yea always stuck in the big picture, it felt like.
@@brothermerc7984 When humanity is literally trillions of humans, numbers get weird.
Big E loves "humanity" as a concept or an ideal.
Sigmar loves "humanity" as people.
One is cold, one is compassionate.
@@RukdugEmperors whole thing was the best for humanity and just fucked them the whole way. The ends justify the means and now they're worse off because of him
You forgot the Great Horned Rat.
Perks: Owns skaven. Is big skaven.
Flaws: No flaws, skaven don't have those.
Only reason Skaven became followers of Archaon in End Times is because the Horned Rat was 'convinced' by the Big Four
Victories in reality mean shit when you are a weaker Chaos God
Skaven drool, Sigmar is cool.
@@christiandauz3742 I still dont get how the Horned Rat can be the weaker chaos god when he has more followers than all the 4 combined times 1000
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Chaos has its own rules
Horned Rat does not monopolize any primary emotions plus Skaven provide much less power to their God
Slaanesh alone would would curbstomp the Horned Rat before Age of Sigmar
Also the only rat that won’t be backstabbed
extra note on Khorne: he doesn't care why you follow him, one of the early AoS books has a champion of Khorne that he gave enough power to them that they almost became a general of the Everchosen, even though his expressed reason for following was to gain enough power to attack Khorne himself, just claiming skulls with the desire to fight something *way* beyond him was all Khorne needed to grant him boon after boon.
Khornes favorite kind of khorne worshiper is a khorne worshipper that wants to kill khorne
I am a khornate farmer, bones make good fertilizer and blood makes the Gras grow.
So what do we do? KILL KILL KILL.
@@Dudenob123 Khorne farming cult lol
@@wolf2403 from that same story we have a top leader of the clan that does almost no killing yet gets boons from how hard his whip makes other fight, so yea; feed those armies for tye blood god
@@leonvalenzuela4096 Best kind of khorne cult tbh
Can't forget how Gork and Mork pushed Nurgle into a hole and kept doing it over and over because they though it was funny
Did they really?
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pretty old lore, can't remember where I read it. But I believe with all my heart that it's true
gork and mork is ed, edd n eddy munis 1.
I'll call it here, I don't know about Fantasy, but in Warhammer 40k Isha is the only actively good god, while Cegorach is the best god in his role as a god.
Isha always cared for her people, even before the fall, and even when trapped by Nurgle she still does her best to whisper to the whole galaxy the secrets of how to cure the diseases of the Plague God
Cegorach on the other hand is leagues below in power to Tzeentch, the Deciever or Big E, but he is smart enough (and also not a complete asshole) to rival the other great schemers of the galaxy. He manages to protect his servant's souls from Slaanesh, and can even beat She Who Thirst for the souls of the Solos. Also, he is responsible for the whole Ynnead scheme, meaning that unlike the oher three fucks he actually did something good for the whole galaxy instead of just making things worse
Edit: well damn, you know what, I can agree with Gork and Mork. WAAAAAAGH
agree isha is the only real god worth worshiping in 40K. i'd be pretty sick if she ended up as a major player in 40k simlar to her AOS equivlant. id be preetty sweet seeing human/eldar fighting side by side with "demons" of isha aka trents,dyrads etc.
@@thecruzking Isha is by far my favourite god in 40k, and the one that I'd support if I were to enter that reality.
@@wolf2403 nice, nature paladins for the win.
I always forget that Isha is still alive in 40K for some reason. So that is a good point.
@@thecruzking I mean, maybe Ynnead will get around to freeing her, but I forget what the Ynari are currently doing.
The problem with Big E is just how inconsistant his character is. I get he's supposed to be mysterious, but because he's so ill defined, his personallity shifts drastically with each author.
He has a dead set vision. Personality close to Dorn, Sanginiys and Ferrus Manus
@big stink the brapin king The last Church is downright embarrassing.
@big stink the brapin king And just like that, you had a better narrative idea than all those of awful writers
@@Omegaures I believed that the LC was fanfic for the longest time because of how terrible it was XD
@@Artemisarrowzz lmao
Hey you know what would be really funny and original.
Someone should definitely say
“This video here, Inquisitor”
It would be so fucking funny and original
Alfabusa unironically hard-carried the more "creative" sides of Warhammer 40K memes
Without him, it'll be 4chyngz to le-reddit which regurgitate the same hershey heresy memes for the next fucking decade, no wonder that many of the chronologically progressing portions of recent Warhammer 40K lore sounds eerily similar to TTS version of the lore, sometimes the best of fandom will inherit the legacies to have movement and progression into conclusion proper, no settings will stand proper without beginning, ending and resolves
Hence why perpetually continuing Warhammer 40K would potentially ended up resulting in what current Star Wars does under Extended Universe/"Legends", then prequel trilogy then somehow worsen under Disney on meta level of real life marketing through lore butchering
Also don't get me even started with Harry Potter on the other extreme spectrum to Marvel/DC with their own perpetually contuinuing comic industry
Mandatory "If Magnus had been warned about how treacherous and hostile the entities of the warp really were then he and his legion could have stopped the heresy in its tracks and would have done nothing wrong"
Mandatory, if Magnus had been told he could still been curious because he doesn’t know better and might think he’s overplaying chaos and go to investigate himself
@@Abysalss Mandatory, if the Emperor went with him and showed him the eye of terror or brought in Eldrad to tell Magnus about the Eldar empire then Magnus would have been super cooperative and sat on the stupid throne for the Emperor
@@Fly-the-LightOr maybe Magnus's ego takes over and he decides "Well I can probably handle this chaos thing better than the space elves. After all, I'M the smartest of the Primarchs"
@@Abysalss the emperor wanted a rebellion. He got what he wanted.
@@ASingleSpaghetti That's possible, but also why he should be watched over- maybe even sent to learn about the warp from the Eldar.
shout out to that one time Khorne ordered 8 bloodthirsters to lead the attack on Terra while Guilliman was there and when they failed he got so world shatteringly assmad he caused them all to evaporate with a thought
The very last thing you hear before you die is “such is the power of Nagash”
That’s be a fucked up thing to whisper into someones ear at the moment of their death. If that person is a warhammer fan who gets the reference then it’d be hilarious. Still fucked up, but hilarious.
“The skelpope supreme” is reason enough for me to support Nagashe and make an undead army
1 more thing, if you are working against the ideals (either by not knowing what he wanted or deviating because you want) of the Emperor while being in a position of power you can get away easily, that doesnt happen with Khorne, he turns you into a Chaos spawn
Are you saying Vandire wouldn't have gotten as far with his shit under a god that paid attention?
@@DetectiveLance exactly, Khorne has his followers on a leash for good reason
@@MiguelSanchezDelVillar to be fair most of his followers are no more competent than a rabid beast
And even with that leash you've still got alot of freedom in how you go about getting blood and skulls
@@dalegribble7939 Khorne cares not where the blood comes from, only that it flows.
The Emperor:
No Space Elf Waifu
Nurgle:
Yes Space Elf Waifu
I rest my case
You say this like you needed a reason why R/Athiest God is worse
At least for the Chaos Gods, if you are high up on the list, you won’t be flat out betrayed/murdered unless you intentionally cause problems like Skarbrand.
So nurgle is the ugly bastard getting the waifu and not the jimmy space. That's some galactic NTR. The emperor has chronic bitch dependency according to A pimp named slickback.
@@Predator20357 Eh, dont know about that, you are never safe when you worship Tzeentch at least, and you better not displease Slaneesh unless you want to be dancing for all eternity like the masque
Ugly bastard tag be like :
@@versok2999 yes, those guys are the more capricious part of the chaotic pantheon.
2:26 Magnus was the king of guy who was never gonna take a "just trust me on this one from anyone". It would have made a lot more sense to inform him about chaos, making sure he is well informed of the risk. Also, not telling the primarchs about the webway project was just idiotic. And sending Russ, the guy who hated magnus more than any other primarch was the dumbest desition the empero could have made, unless he actually wanted magnus dead.
I doubt he wanted him dead. Magnus was meant for the Throne and would've been an excellent replacement battery while the Emperor fixed his fuck up.
I think Russ was chosen for two reasons;
1) He was closer than other brothers and he needed Magnus back ASAP.
2) Emps was confident that Russ would obey any order he gave him, likely because he'd killed a Primarch before (it's never confirmed but come on).
What he didn't bank on was Horus being that persuasive, Magnus surrendering to fate in a bid to not have his actions manipulated, and the fact that Russ is an absolute moron.
@@papanurgle8393 I seem to remember (could be wrong) that there were other primarchs available, the emperor just chose Russ because he was his executioner (it has been implied that either him or the Lion were the ones who put down the 2 unnamed primarchs), which just higlhlights why he was such a bad choice for the task. Probably a guy with negotiation skills like Guilliman or Vulkan would have been better, or even a more level headed person like Dorn or Ferrus would have been a better choice (Neither of these two liked Magnus, but at least would have coordinated the attack better, Russ didn´t even bother to coordinate his attack with Valdor and the custodes, and almost got destroyed when the thousand sons retaliated)
@@lvo9197 I'm convinced that if he'd chosen Jaghatai or Sanguinius, Prospero would never have burned. Both had helped Mags and the Emperor set up the Librarius, and neither had the predjudices that Russ did.
I'm not 100% sure on the timeline, but my understanding was that;
-Vulkan, Corax and Ferrus were getting dispatched to Isstvann 5.
-Horus had sent the First *WAY* out on the galactic rim to ensure Lion'El didn't get in his way.
-Sanguinius was at Signus battling Daemons.
-The White Scars were at Chondax clearing out Ork remnants from Ullanor.
-The Ultramarines were ordered to muster at Calth.
-Dorn and co were kept on Terra to continue fortifying the Sol system and the Imperial Palace.
@@papanurgle8393 it's still pretty stupid of the emperor.
The English word Emperor is derived from the latin Imperator (pronounced Im-pah-rat-or) and was famously used by the Roman Emperors. It should be noted noted that the office of Imperator from Caeser to Diocletian was a very informal one despite it's massive power. At its roots, Imperator means "One who bears Imperium" and Imperium in the original Roman context means "Authority", more specifically the Authority given by the Senate to someone to command a Roman Army on campaign.
In a more modern context imagine if the US was taken over by a military dictatorship headed by a general who they got a puppet congress to give them Five Star General rank. After said general died, another dictator rose from the US navy to take their place and got the packed puppet congress to name them a Five Star Admiral. From then on, the dictatorial US was ruled by a military leader who was named Five-Star General or Admiral. In time, people simply referred to the Dictator of America as being a Five-Star.
so an emperor is more like the highest ranking military commanding officer that been put in charge of a nation in a modern sense. Well there is this thing call generalisssimo which is essentially a 6 star general.
Then there is George Washington who is the only and will only be the Seventh Star General of the Military
Sigmar solves problems by applying hammer repeatedly. Automatically better than the Emperor.
that's the beauty of hammer, they can either build homes and nations or level cities.
Sigmar is who the Imperial Faith want the Emperor to be.
Nagash is who the Emperor would be given the chance.
Gork and Mork are what the Imperial Guard wishes the Emperor would be.
Khorne is the guy the Emperor keeps trying to rip off.
Yeah, I said it. Skull obsession? Big old Throne he refuses to leave? Working mostly through summoned entities? Followers that have "Blood" in the name? Dislike of space magic despite really only existing because of space magic? A love for plot armor enabled melee combat over actual firepower when given the opportunity?
Bastard is literally trying to be a Khorne copy cat and doesn't even realize it.
Pancreas, this is an intervention... i need you to understand that Magnus the Pious was, is and will always be the best Emperor that ever ruled the empire, period.
Never saw Franzy boy there take a flame bath in Middenheim and sure as hell he failed to stop his Everchosen where Magnus did with an empire in a condition 10 times worse, to then guide the Empire in a golden age AND he is the guy who created the Empire's motto of faith, steel and gunpowder... also The Pious is a badass nickname.
I rest my case.
The Total War version of Karl is really what he should have been in tabletop lore. He spends his rule uniting the Empire, and when Archeon shows up, the Chaostide gets stomped by the Ordertide. Karl Franz should have been the Krazy Glue for the good guys that Sigmar became.
Problem is Magnus never had to fight Games Workshop itself for the survival of the world
I'm pretty sure all gods fall under better than the Emperor category
Ever heard of malice?
@@guywholikesmemes4993 I'd say they're on equal footing.
@@prism8278 what about the eldar gods
@@reentrysfs6317 The Laughing God: Do you like trolling people? Do you like being literal murder-clowns that're better than the Joker will ever be? Do you like the idea of being Sander FUCKING COHEN but as a Space Elf? Then he's the God for you.
Isha: Literally tells everyone about Nurgle's diseases and how to cure them.
Khairne: Equal footing, if not outright worse.
Me after reading the title: Do you have any idea how little this narrows it down?
Lets be honest, the Emperor of Mankind is a megalomaniac without an ounce of humanity. Which is rather ironic.
You can say that he helped Humanity out of the dark ages, however the dude is a Pile of Crap that wanted a religion around what he wanted but doesn’t wanted to admit it was a religion.
So refreshing. After hearing all those praises from Emperor-lovers to their disgusting idol, it is cool to see there are some who see him for what he is... just another narcissistic tyrant
@@mausolus8466 PancreasNoWork is what I needed in the WarHammer community
He praises hated races like the Eldar, Tau, High Elves
He hates Chaos
He is annoyed at the Imperia Bootlicking and how they barely act like a dying empire
He hates the reworked lore Bretonnia
He actually shows love for AoS
Oh and he shit talks GW to show he isn’t some weird shill.
Jokes aside, I appreciate WH more because this dude actually made the other races seem fun
@@mausolus8466 TTS big E is the best Version of him
@@Predator20357 Aye, even though I'm more forgiving towards Chaos, I still appreciate one of the few members of Warhammer content creators that is not Imperial fanboy that keeps showering us with BS excuses for Imperium and Emperor.
Horned Rat is clearly the best about being the most skaven Skaven to ever exist
the imperium was the skaven all along.
*Pancreas get shot by Inquistor*
I: To claim a god is greater than the Emperor! Heresy!
*Inquisitor get shot by Witch Hunter*
WH: To claim mighty Sigmar is weak than a half dead corpse! Heresy!
Repeat for however long before someone breaks it up.
@starhammer5247 Doesn't get broken up, both sides just run out of people.
Okay, now I want to see a video about "What If Sigmar was the Emperor of Mankind" instead of Big E. Hell, even the other Gods mentioned in this video would be fun to speculate.
Or the emperor wreaking havoc in fantasy..
@@cnut7383 Only for the emperor getting bodied by Karl Franz.
@@cnut7383 if the emperor was in fantasy, he would make everyone his enemy even humanity itself.
Every primarch: Are you my new father?
Sigmar: Yes
@@jonathanathor117 And just like that, 40k is fixed XD
Gork and Mork are a *singular force* that has two personia....
Orks are crazy like that.
Picture them as a Ying and Yang symbol and your on the right track, oh... and welcome to Abstract Orkist.
More like a Yang and Yang symbol.
Ever heard of the god gorkamorka before?
is gork and mork are the same then who are they gonna fight all day?
Gorkamorka is a deity introduced in Age of Sigmar. In 40k Gork and Mork are two seperate entities.
@@BloodPaladin88 GW isn't against using warp entities and gods ideas be given the same name and status as the other verse so it honestly wouldn't surprise me if 40k gorkamorka existed in some form or another.
Khrone is my favorite simply because a God that is straight forward and honest about what he wants from you and what worshipping him does for you is really refreshing as far as Gods go. If worshipping him didn't turn you into a rabid, seething Grug brain he would easily be the best God in the setting.
This is why Khaine is better than Khrone, wielding his sword only makes you rabid and seething.
If you're able to create a solid line and make damn sure you never cross that line, you can keep your sanity. Khorne is the god of honour so if you ask Khorne to keep your morals and honour intact, he might just do it. There's an entire regent that fell to Khorne but are completely sane for the most part despite all of the years they've been under his influence.
He has a point. Karl Franz really adds a lot to the table.
Harlequin’s god is pretty good too! Actually saves the souls of his followers, helps keeps them safe, and actually gives them an afterlife… not sure what kind but still.
he also matches wits with the chaos gods and sets things in motion that give the non chaos factions so help such as the Ynnead thing which leads the Eldar having hope in a future that isn't getting brutalized by Slanesh and for the Imperium, Guilliman returning giving them a leader who both isn't a colossal and actually has the backing and cloat to take advantage of not being an idiot (something most compitent imperials don't have the luxary to do).
Given Cegorach’s sense of “jokes” I don’t think his “afterlife” that good. At best, marginally better than the alternative.
Im a simple man. The funny elf man post video. I listen to it just to blast this on a boom box so the basement goblins can cry in fear
Who are these basement goblins you speak of?
Just creatures I kidnapped from the games workshop store I got five of them now, they’re starting to adapt to my luring of them using the squiggoth and imperial knight model. Tomorrow I’m going to try out the forge world war mumakil model to attract a wider goblin audience
So in short you use goblins to show your neat stuff to
L + Ratio + still alive + not dead + no drip + no ghost cloak + no skeleton butler + no vampires + cant eat souls + no spine chin + small hat + such is the power of Nagash
In fairness to Sigmar on the Archeaon manner. He was trapped in the vortex until Teclis freed him. He laments how he desperately tried to save Archeaon while the warding of the vortex trapped him inside.
Actually I think sigma is easily a better God than the emperor of mankind for a very simple reason. In fantasy ordinary human beings are capable of holding back the dark of chaos and some of the most badass morals who have ever existed are from Warhammer fantasy. The ordinary people of the imperium exists to be bullet sponges for more important people. So sigmar has the better mortal followers and the God who creates the best people to follow him is the better God
Counter point to the Emperor not trusting humans to do anything but fuck everything up: he is very frequently correct and humans DO fuck shit up. And I like that about him.
In fact some of my favorite parts of 40k lore are elements of the imperium directly working against the interest of other parts of the imperium (Inquisition, Mechanics, Ecclesiarchy) in pursuit of short sighted goals causing even more horrific problems for the Imperium as a whole without the influence of Chaos or Xenos.
Counter-Counterpoint: the Emperor himself is no more inmune to doing stupid shit than any other human, he’s usually not “right” just “less wrong”
@@luxsuperbia1531 Fair point, but I like that too!
@@luxsuperbia1531 As the greatest paragon of human kind, this means that when the Emperor is stupid and dumb, he is the stupidest and dumbest. He literally can't help it XD
Surprised more RUclipsrs don't use the Rise of Nations OST in their videos. It fits aimless rants so well.
Reason I like the emperor as a god:
- the Legion of the Damned are badass and I want more of them.
That’s it. Gork and Mork for the Win.
based
Oh I thought you meant the BIBLICAL god I was so confused for a few seconds-
Honestly, he could bring up the Greek Gods and explain why each and every one of them is better than the Emperor.
The emperor space marine quote isn't even confirmed as being said by him, it is *attributed* to him
We stan Gork & Mork in this household. EDIT: Isha is also very welcome.
2:15 you're wrong. If Emperor told them, than we would need an actual reason for their fall and couldn't just say they had daddy issues
Nurgle is a 10/10 god cause he cares about all his followers from the tiniest bacteria to a great unclean one. Even when his followers make mistakes like kugath he doesn’t utterly destroy them he supports them
Also he removes pain and turns the souls of his dead followers into daemons so technically he actually provides them with an afterlife
I know he's not a god, but the Dragon Emperor is pretty much the Emperor only not a COMPLETELY awful dad
We may not have enough lore yet, but good parents usually don't have children who try to kill eachother the second you go on vacation.
I would say it everyday, till the day i die. The emperor is the character, that reditor would create if he wanted to make "perfect" human.
more like a 4channer tbh
@@siluda9255 na 4chan is more g+m or Tzeentch
The perfect human can't exist. To be human is to make mistakes, perfect beings don't do that. A perfect hero can exist, a perfect ruler can exist, but a perfect human can not... Not unless they're gigachad anyway.
@@starhammer5247 sounds like xeno propaganda
@@siluda9255 Xeno's are simply humans with different origins.
Technically any god is better than the big guy if you take into account the “uhm akshually” of him not wanting to be a god in the first place
Crazy how we also consider him a god even though we’d be classified as 5th dimensional warp-beasts since we know more about the imperium and the emperor than even one of the smartest scribes they can muster up
well in a meta sense we're all mxysptlk or andy from toy story to our little plastic men.
While I agree fullheartedly with how you described nagash as such a cartoony villain that always loses... does he actually lose?
I mean think about he's so powerful as The God of The Dead that not even SIGMAR, nor any other god, can stop him from taking claim of souls.
sure he could lose every single battle, but his armies will kill something in those fights and all of that goes to nagash.
Nagash is unique in that most of his losses end up being a case of following forward, because the results of his failures create conditions that either accidentally increase his power, or sets up things for him to try something even grander. But he's better than Thanquol because he does have some legit wins, and even though his losses can propel him forward, he has had some true definitive losses that have set him back. It's honestly really fitting for a god that get's stronger even when he loses. The undead can just be reraised, and more souls means the host always grows.
Where is the Great Horned Rat? Even if the Skaven are downright horrible, their god does love them, which is kind awesome.
i like the book "the laughter of the dark gods" they show you how it is terrifying fall for khorne
The Bloodied Rose has Khornate Orks, came out in 2016
Khorne getting recognition is rad as hell and a neat often forgotten fact is khorne doesn't like suffering, just blood and mad. Also has a bit of honor and loyalty as subthemes underneath all the blood. Slannesh is all about feeling and excess, Khorne just wants blood. Torture and unnecessarily prolonging the process is a tease and slannesh's territory, and Khorne hates slannesh.
Blood for the blood God, skulls for the skull throne.
Nagash actually has a decent charge against him in a fight tbh. He’ll probably lose but he is considered the number 1 threat a lot of the time by the chaos gods and he also is able to hold claims of land in the eightpoints
Even when he loses a battle he gets stronger because he gets more souls, and his troops can always be brought back.
All gods from best to worst
- Gork ‘n Mork: greatest in both power and they give their followers what they want no strings attached.
- Isha: genuinely nice lady who just wants people to be happy and healthy
- Nurgle: genuinely cares for his followers but is a bit of a buttmunch for keeping Isha in a cage
- Khorne: honest and brutal. Nothing more nothing less.
- Khaine: older eldar version of Khorne, would be higher but his avatar gets its ass kicked any time it manifests so he’s only at 5
- Emperor: huge asshole, terrible father, eats psychic children, literal half dead corpse. His only redeeming factor is he fights for humanity.
- Tzeentch: name is stupid, looks like the male lead of a hentai, and his plots seemingly go somewhere and nowhere at the same time.
- Slaanesh: literal serial killer and rapist, also probably does other unspeakable things. The absolute worst.
Honorable mentions
- C’tan: would be higher if most of them weren’t dead or so one dimensional and such a non factor in the current story.
- Malal: a anti chaos god would’ve been pretty cool but he got smothered in the crib with a retcon pillow by GW.
Good list! Where would you rank Cegorath in it?
@@blanco173 above nurgle but below Isha because I don’t like clowns but he’s also kinda smart
Saying "gods better than Emp" is like saying "Gourds better than a juniper berry"
Comparing apples and oranges here, the Emperor is a physical guy. If he turned into a warp entity like Magnus, then maybe he could be a 'god' but such as he is, he isn't
What I'm really trying to say is, read the Grimderp Warhammer 50k fanfiction
I always love hearing music from Age if Mythology in these videos.
We need a Karl Franz video. Someone needs to bring him to his men
I think your point regarding the stormcast and trust is a bit weak considering big E trusted his sons/grandsons enough to literally conquer the galaxy with almost no supervision or oversight from him after Ullanor
Small caveat on Khorne in that he does actually favor martial combat and not comat-by-proxy via nukes.
He is the god of Honor, after all.
The emperor also lactose intolerant, as he was born 8000 years ago (lactose tolerance began 6000 years ago). Now you might be thinking “ah but he’s the peak of human evolution” but we are only able to drink milk because of co-evolution with other animals, the peak of human evolution would have no reason to develop tolerance. He can’t even relate to memes in spooky season about skeletons loving milk when he IS ONE SMH.
I think cigorath is a good god
He actually gives a big shit about his folks
I think all the eldar gods do, except maybe Khaine and yet he still actively fights for them. Asuryian still makes yay or nay decisions with his flame, Isha is not only rooting for her people, but also handing out the cures for free to everyone else, and the other gods, or what’s left of them, are probably doing whatever they can from within the bowels of Slanesh. And then before Slanesh, the eldar gods were pretty much the only thing keeping the chaos gods at bay by periodically krumping any dangers in the Warp.
I maintain that the best thing GW can do for 40k as a setting is destroy earth. Like don't even address how it happened, introduce a shitton of very ominous consequences that tell parts of the story but nowhere near the whole story, like the void dragon being loose, Vulcan reappearing and fretting that the hammer talisman went off, new nid bioforms showing up that are SCARILY more powerful than they should be, another sudden expansion of the eye of terror or at least amping the potency of the demons that can come out of it with some claiming to be followers of an entirely new god created by how those quintilions of souls that were packed onto holy Terra died.
I swear to god for a moment I saw this and thought "TTS IS BACK????"
Love the video but gotta disagree on 1 thing warhammer fantastically is on a single planet and warhammer 40k is like the whole or a large amount of the galaxy the chaos gods in sigmar have the power of a single planet 40k gods are getting power from the whole galaxy
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Ps im probably being a sissy billy being the ActUaLlY guy 👽
dude, I know you won't see this, but it'd be exceptionally awesome if you did a Bloodbowl video. I swear I'd be a patron if you were to say you'd do it. You seem like THE 40k youtuber meant to talk about it.
1) The Emperor isn't a god
2) Look at the things that are called 'gods' in the 41st millennium
3) Insert TTS short 4 here
4) Praise the Man-Emperor of Mankind
I would also add cegorach, funny clown god who is also absolutely terrifying and fiercely protective of his followers
I would have though Sigmar getting his ass kicked repeatedly would count for more.
I take issue with the claim that the Emperor didnt warn the Primarchs about chaos at all, because they do seem to have had some basic knowledge about it and as for the "whole" truth, Malcador does confirm that one of the Primarchs was trusted with the Info.
We also know for certain that both Horus and Alpharius had a grasp of chaos to some degree, Horus knew what Chaos was when he explained daemons to Loken and when Loken told him the Interex thought they brought "Chaos" with them, Horus understood what Chaos meant, before he'd been manipulated by Erebus.
This is all in Horus Rising alone.
Then in Legion, Alpharius explains to an Imperial Army general that the reason the Campaign is going so badly is because the enemy are backed by the powers of Chaos and while John Gramaticus does dismiss it as an overly simplistic understanding, it is an understanding, Alpharius and Omegon know about it.
Magnus and Leman both knew to a degree because the Thousand Sons used literal warp entities as familiars and the Space Wolves knew enough to be like "bro that is sus on so many fuckin levels, your literally chillin with warp entities", the issues with Magnus is he was naive and thought he could bend the warp to his will without it biting back, we can be pretty sure that Magnus had been told before that he should be more cautious with his studies as Nikea was generally described as a last straw, like, "oh you've rly done it now Magnus" where the Emperor basically had his hand forced.
The Lion also certainly has some understanding of it considering his upbringing.
They just werent told everything because that would have caused its own problems, Magnus is the obvious one, but Dorn would have fallen alongside Magnus as Malcador explains that Dorn would have done everything he could to understand Chaos in order to better defend against it, but in doing so, he'd have eventually fallen to chaos as well.
As for Lorgar, he'd probably fall as well as his worship would still be rejected and would likely still be opened up to giving chaos a chance as soon as his "faith" was shaken.
Also, I think people judge the Emperor too much for loving humanity but not caring about every individual human, nobody can care about everyone within the scope of a signle country or world, the Emperor was handling humanities fate, future and managing a galactic empire, It's impossible to remember every human world in the Imperium, let alone care about it, but the Emperor does work to make life better for as many people as possible and is trying to save humanity as a whole, and he's also thinking in the long term.
The Emperor understood that people had needs and wanted them to live well, thats why he chose Guilliman to make an example to Lorgar, Monarchia was an iscolated, supersticious backwater shithole, wheras Guilliman made planets that were actually nice to live on with functioning societies and happy populations.
Also the Emperor did put a lot of trust in others, considering his Primarchs were largely left to their own devices, even while the Emperor was at the head of the Crusade, they had a degree of autonamy, and theres Malcador and the High Lords, which used to be far more than 12 lords, it used to be hundreads and then of course theres the navis nobilite, the planatary and sector governorships, the Emperor really wasnt an oppressive tyrant, he delegated a hell of a lot and put his trust in compitent people.
Also, the "I know I am right" from the Last Church, he was being framed as the "bad guy" of that story essentially, it was meant to make the Emperor look bad, which is why he made shitty arguments, generally, also in a sense...he is actually right, hia way is actually the only way, his was was working, if the Heresy didnt happen, he'd have won, he was right.
Also it wasnt to differenciate him from being a god it was to differenciate him from being "another tyrant" unlike tyrants who think their doing whats right, the Emperor known, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he is right.
Also the Emperor wasnt a god while he was alive and he's barely a god in death, he's still alive but his psyke is fractured beyond belief.
The Legion of the Damned does do a lot as well, it just has the caviat of "everyone forgets they ever showed up" as soon as the Legion of the Damned dissapears, and despite this, when the great rift showed, sightings of the Legion skyroccated, and considering the forgetting thing, even more sightings never got reported.
Its basically a neet excuse for writers to say "yea their doing stuff but we cant be asked to write anything".
And sorry for all the "also's"
ALSO, the Emperor has the whole Imperium working for him, so if he had massive daemon armies going out often enough to rival the Chaos gods, that might tip the scaled a bit too much, not to mention it would piss of fanboys from literally every other faction, especially Chaos.
Yes inquistor, this one, this video right here, HERESY
No one geographically cares.
Anything that goes against The Emperor or The Imperium is Heresy. I was looking for this just for a quick laugh.
I guess Hashut, the only Chaos God being fair game to his followers, doesn't count, heh?
Or dare I say...
The Lady of the Lake?
I came here expecting this list to just be the entire Elven pantheons (High Elf, Clown Elf, Dino Elf, ect), and I'm kind of surprised it wasn't.
I only like the Emperor a little because of the irony in his situation. He was created by lord knows what to be this perfect immortal guy that's perfect at everything and super smart and all that jazz to singlehandedly bring humanity up and appear as divine as possible. Then he gets pissed when people try to worship him because "i'm just a man, bro", only for him to get strapped to a fancy chair and worshipped as a god anyways while getting as many psykers as possible shoved up his ass.
I’d personally also say Nurgle and Slaneesh as they actively interact with there followers especially Nurgle
I will agree with the nurgle part but as a khorne cultist I will say fuck that pervert slaneesh
I think so so much of Warhammer started as "hey man wouldn't it be funny if ____" and then adding inspiration from things like Judge Dredd and Dune that were popular in sci-fi and fantasy as the time
Example: "Hey man wouldn't it be funny if the jesus guy in this universe, that the zealots who use organized religion to fuel war and propaganda, was an atheist himself? And deliberately told people not to worship him? Haha that's perfect for this crazy silly dark universe we're making"
And then later writers end up creating stuff like living saints or gaurdsmen staving off daemons with their faith
So accidentally they're making a system that shows humanity would've been better off using the warp powers and religious belief for their own benefit
That's one example of many but essentially what originally served the story as parody ends up leading to more and more contradictions the longer this universe exists and the longer hundreds of writers keep jamming new ideas and new lore where it doesn't fit
Parody goofy cartoony grimdark of the 80s and early 90s doesn't line up with the more flat "factual" grimdark of the 2000s-present
The Dawn of Fire novel from the Rising Storm book series in 40k very well demonstrates Khorne's ability to eschew staple violence in favor for subtle strategy and ploys, so long as it brings about the same end. The Crusade of Slaughter nearly caused a second Great Rift leading directly to Terra entirely due to the efforts of one main battlefleet and a team of Word Bearer's Sorcerers who are typically reviled by the servants of the blood god for their magic. Much like Tyranids, anyone who discounts the antics of blood worshippers as mere berserkerism is due for failure.
I don't know if these are a fair comparison. If many worship you, does that make you a god, regardless of what you yourself believe? In my opinion the emperor being a massive egotistical hypocrite actually supports his claims that he is not a god. He doesn't want your love, worship or faith, just obedience. Exactly what we should expect from a frayed conglomeration of human souls.
To be fair, The Emperor doesn’t like being worshipped despite having the power and acting pretty much exactly like one.
Also implied to have influenced or directly created many of Humanities major past religions. Which I guess because he saw all the flaws in, decided to abandon them and so massively overcorrect/go the opposite direction…which was far worse IMHO.
Especially since the Imperial Truth was literally a massive lie that IMHO was always doomed to fail.
3:43 Dont forget the part where Big E says "I am not a god, but there are also no gods. Also I am the master of mankind and therefore no one is above me." While failing to see that he is literally taking the place of a god in all but name. You might change the title, but if the only difference between the title Emperor and God is what they are called than there is no difference functionally speaking. Both titles in the 30k imperium meant the same thing. The highest authority, and Ideal. Only Big E was perhaps even worse, because while he could definitly be the highest authority. He was unable to be the highest ideal. I mean can anyone name even a single character trait from the emperor that was inspiring or admirable?
I mean sure he stands against chaos, but anyone with any inclination of what chaos is would do that. Hell even people with no inclination of what chaos is often fight it in their daily lives. Not to mention that while the Emperor is a leader hes more like that guys D&D high charisma character. You know the guy. The guy who puts no effort into his character, and just rolls charisma to get people to do what he wants, and than uses his minmaxed OP power fantasy of a character to knock anyone who doesn't listen to his commands senseless before commiting some horrible atrocity on them.
P.S. (aka Post Script for the uninitiated) You might read this and think I hate the Emperor as a character or something. I actually dont. Infact I love the Emperor as a character. I just disagree with the people who think he was the 'Good guy' of 40k. The Emperor in my opinion is 40ks single greatest villain, and it is solely because of his actions that the 40k galaxy is as fucked at it is today. (well until recent writing with the imperium now being stronger then ever before.) I also think he hasn't been getting the respect he deserves. Recent books basically potraying him as more or less a sideshow character. With them giving the creation of Astartes to a woman named Astarte (Why GW?!?), Cawls countless technological achievements exceeding that of the eldar and Big E (Again why?!?)
anyway rant done.
Cawl spent ten-thousand years to perform a minor improvement. The Emperor spent only ten years to make the Astartes with help from Astarte, the reason being because while he can make powerful warriors en masse (Thunder Warriors were superior to the Astartes in every way except intelligence) I don't think he knows how to make stable mass-produced warriors with functional brains. He might be able to do it solo but he probably needed help to speed things along. Who smarter than a perpetual to help him? Same goes for the Primarchs. He could definitely do it alone, but he might not have the time to do it solo as we know he was rushing the Crusade along. He could definitely do all of this alone, but the question is whether or not he had the time to, you know, with juggling the Astartes, Thunder Warriors and Primarchs all while preparing for a crusade. He might be smart and powerful, but he's only one man. A powerful man but still a man.
@@starhammer5247 um... you haven't read the lore have you. He actually did it in under... either a hundred years or at most a thousand. Aka a fraction of the time the emperor did it. He then spent the nexy 9900 - 9000 years creating arming, and hiding entire legions of these astartes which were downright upgrades. Further the emperor had also been trying for decades if not centuries to improve the astartes Geneseed see the raptors. This still failed and it was made by the creator of the astrates. Further the best and brightest of the imperium tried this very thing with the cursed founding... hazard to guess why they call it cursed XD.
However the Primaris are not Cawls only offense. He has also figured out how to restore world the tyranids have damaged or outright destroyed. This process will only take a century on the worst of these planets. Something the Eldar Empire and Humanity during the golden age couldn't do. For both of them it took centuries just to do partial teraforming, and millennia to tens of millenia if starting from zero.
And that's just two examples. I have also heard that he's messing necron technology to create stable warp lanes across the warp rift. But I haven't read it yet so I can't confirm that last one. (Other then I know they have stable lanes across the gap now.)
Finally he did all of this in absoulte secrecy. As even minor attempts at anything resembling this (See the Badab war, Cursed founding, and Emperors children [yeah its 30k but it shows how it was highly illegal even back then])
I could go on, and on. For the simple reason that this lore was poorly written and done without considering any of the lore the came before it. Because it was ultimately just an excuse to sell new miniatures.
@@irontemplar6222 But it's been established that each and every single Primaris he made was around since before the Heresy. The Imperial Fist Primaris he has are more Imperial Fist than the actual Fists themselves. He had those millions since the Heresy. If he really did it in only a hundred, why did it take him so long to finish it when these upgrades could've been produced years ago while the Primarchs were still around and kept the Imperium from getting so shit? The Primarchs would've accepted these upgrades and they were still around a hundred years after the Heresy. The only reason why they wouldn't take those upgrades would be if they weren't reliable and were too dangerous to implement. Quite simply, while he may have figured out the procedures, getting them to work and making them viable for mass-production is entirely different beast. He might have figured out the upgrades, but making them widely available, figuring them out, and making sure that not everyone just fucking dies when it gets applied to them takes a lot more work, trial and error. He definitely did not just come up with it on the spot and succeeded. He fucked up a lot to get to this point. And again, the Emperor had the crusade to worry about, the Webway Project, and his timetable which he refused to compromise on (which is why Lorgar got his ass handed to him) to worry about spending all of his time in making better Astartes. Again, more shit to worry about. Same goes for making the Astartes in the first place as he was busy with the Unification Wars and the Thunder Warriors.
@@starhammer5247 ...I think you just made my argument for why this lore is poorly written and all around terrible.
Also no he was completely finished with the upgrade in less then a hundred years. He never had a problem with it at all. We do not have even the slightest mention of so much as a setback.
It should also be noted that Cawl supposedly never even had access to the orginal reserch, or documents regarding the emperors work on the geneseed. Literally none. He was starting from scratch and even Big E had to use stright up black magic to make them work as well as they did.
Nagash is a Superior Throne Skeleton
All lies.
The greatest, most powerful god, better than the Emperor of Man, is _THE SUPREME KID_. No one is better than _*THE SUPREME KID*_.
Emps might beat Ranald in a fight but the second he sees Ranald's middle finger fucking up his vermintide loot he'll immediately die of a rage induced heart attack
Khorne is the Johnny Lawrence/John Kreese of the Chaos Gods. "Don't be a pussy!" "Strike First! Strike Hard! No Mercy!"
With all the violence and evil going on in the Warhammer universe, Khorne should be the strongest deity in Warhammer. The Orks killing each other and other races, all the various xenos species fighting each other, the humans fighting each other over religion and fighting the aliens, all of that should benefit Khorne to the point where he could kill the other Chaos gods with a wet fart and snap Big E's soul like a kit-kat bar.
*The Average Emperor Fan vs The Average Sigmar Enjoyer*
the virgin corpse on a throne vs the Chad hammer daddy™
To put simply the emperor of 40K loves what we are not who we are
I can hear the cabal of all the most creative minds in the fanbase closing reddit and typing the H-word fiercely
Imagine a god that was composed of all the foul oaths and curses hurled at the gods. The manifestation of everytime some one said "goddamn" or cussed out loud with a deities name, acting as one, smooth talking jerk that only lives to annoy the other deities and laugh at there mistakes.
All because it amuses him.
He is after all Sigma Chad God not some corpse Emperor
Sigma music plays🤣
Gonna be honest I like that the Emperor is a terrible god. Like he doesn't *want* to be a god, he just wants the best for humanity and he's stumbling ahead of us in the dark trying to find the least awful path
the emperor is a vandal savage but there is no justice league or justice league dark to put the space wizard in his place.
That Morathi timestamp though lol
What if the emperor was saying he wasn't a god out of spite and he eventually caves and starts acting like it? 🤔
Idk the whole failing to avoid Archaon being a thing by just showing a sign to him at one moment was such a colossal fuck up by Hammer Jesus. I mean that was so easily avoidable it’s painful. That definitely knocks sigmar down a peg in my books and worse than any of Big E’s fuck ups in my opinion (despite that it was just bad writing more than anything)
Let's be honest the best gods are the c'tans on account that they're actual gods unlike the warp gods that are either literal mistakes (the chaos gods), a weapon gone rogue (the eldar gods, maybe ork gods and according to a c'tan the emperor too) or some mortal f*ck that somehow achieved godhood (pretty much any non-chaos god in fantasy and pretty much all of them except the big six chaos gods and a couple of destruction gods in age of sigmar)