Personally I would have installed an EV grade 14-50 or 14-60 outlet and biught a dogbone adapter for this. This way you can do EV charging in the future. NEMA 14-50 is a very versitile outlet. You can run 120V and 240V loads on this type of outlet eith the right sdapters since you have a neutral.
Per the NEC (250.119) ground wires 6awg and smaller are to be green or bare their entire length. 4awg and larger are permitted to be reidentified with green tape etc. However in a multiconductor cable they can be reidentified with tape, coloring or by stripping the entire exposed length. So yes you should've taped that white wire to avoid possible future confusion..
Hopefully you will not mind a few comments. You did a good video and explained what you did very well. I am assuming that you installed the plug on the welder. What amp plug did you put on the welder cord? I’m guessing that you installed a NEMA 6-50 since that is what you put in the wall. I can find nothing from Lincoln that specifies the plug required for their welder. You said the cord was #14 awg. I looked up the welder and it at full load pulls 20 amps and is a 30% duty cycle welder. As an electrical design engineer that worked for electrical contractors, I would have never designed it that way. I would have either put a NEMA 6-20R &P or a 6-30R &P. Never a 6-50. So, you could have used #12/2 WG with a 2 pole 20acb or #10/2wg with a 2 pole 30acb. Is what you did wrong? No not as far as your premise wiring. But I do not oversize the branch circuits that far above the real load. If you ever do this again and have a long run, no need to spend that much money. So, if you were to do another, a 30 amp circuit at 150’ with #10 would be fine.
So your point being is to build it to the bare minimum and save a couple dollars upfront and then if you decide to upgrade your welder and need a higher amperage wire that you have to completely rewire it and spend more money than a couple dollars it cost to upgrade it to begin with The heavier wire was a minimal cost because it was only 6 feet long and yes, the welder did come with the plug that plugs directly into it I did not put it on the welder
This is great info added.. I'm currently needing to run 150' into my shed/shop for my small 220v 30a welder..I also have a 230v air compressor.. I wanted to use the 6-50 plug as well, and that way I could use 8/2 for the long run... Do you recommend I use or 8/2, 8/3? And why?
@@_mylastname Both the welder and the air compressor are 240 volts, not 120/240 volts. There is no need for the third conductor IF that is all you will ever connect to it. Assuming you currently have no electricity in the shop, I would buy #6 have 3 conductors and a ground. Connect to a 60a breaker, and install a 60 amp main breaker panel. Then I would have appropriately sized circuits for each load.
@@diydan7019 No, not bare minimum! NEC compliant. Is your install a violation? No it is not. I have seen numerous videos showing 50 amp receptacles installed for small wire feed welders. The problem is, no one says that they are not required to be that big. So viewers that have no idea, think that they must install 50 amp receptacles and plugs for all welders. Hopefully, if something goes wrong inside these welders and causes low level fault currents, that the #14 cords don’t start frying an catch something on fire. Possible, but not necessarily probable. Life safety is priority one! Best wishes, Kevin
When would you need 8/3 instead of 8/2? I ask because I'm needing to run 150' to my shed.. Thank you. Great video!! It's 8/3 needed for the 4 prong? And 8/2 for 3 prong?
He explained that he could have used 8/2 with ground but he had already purchased the 8/3 with ground. He cut the copper ground and used the white wire for ground instead because it was a heavier gauge. Good luck!
here is the part I dont understand; 110 the white goes to (at 17:11 ). buss on the right, bare goes to green / earth on left. So 220 doesn't use white bar on right? I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this... I am in process of installing 30 amp for welder, I put bare ground to box as I would on 110, white was to be to the white buss, I have not connected to the panel yet; is there an easy explanation to help me grasp the correct connection?
Shut the breaker off pull cover off and undo plug from box flip it over and reassemble the only thing that might cause you an issue is how thick the wires that are used and whether there’s enough slack in them to flip it over
The easiest way is to get an adapter cable that will plug into that 220 on the wall and give you 3 110 outlets on the other end I found one on Amazon for $60
You cut off the wrong wire. White wire should have been cut off. You can still use the white wire as an equipment ground if it is marked with green tape.
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I watched plenty videos for this project. This seems to be the most complete and informative one. Thanks for your time.
Liked that you showed your outlet box/wire mistake. This is why I like to work alone, no one ever knows I make mistakes also............LOL
One of the best videos out there, it was clear, straight forward and informative. Thank you for the video😊
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except green is ground and not neutral
The white-insulated wire should be color coded red to indicate that it is a hot conductor.
Thanks for very informative and detail video !!!!!
Personally I would have installed an EV grade 14-50 or 14-60 outlet and biught a dogbone adapter for this. This way you can do EV charging in the future.
NEMA 14-50 is a very versitile outlet. You can run 120V and 240V loads on this type of outlet eith the right sdapters since you have a neutral.
Per the NEC (250.119) ground wires 6awg and smaller are to be green or bare their entire length. 4awg and larger are permitted to be reidentified with green tape etc. However in a multiconductor cable they can be reidentified with tape, coloring or by stripping the entire exposed length. So yes you should've taped that white wire to avoid possible future confusion..
Hopefully you will not mind a few comments. You did a good video and explained what you did very well. I am assuming that you installed the plug on the welder. What amp plug did you put on the welder cord? I’m guessing that you installed a NEMA 6-50 since that is what you put in the wall. I can find nothing from Lincoln that specifies the plug required for their welder. You said the cord was #14 awg. I looked up the welder and it at full load pulls 20 amps and is a 30% duty cycle welder. As an electrical design engineer that worked for electrical contractors, I would have never designed it that way. I would have either put a NEMA 6-20R &P or a 6-30R &P. Never a 6-50. So, you could have used #12/2 WG with a 2 pole 20acb or #10/2wg with a 2 pole 30acb. Is what you did wrong? No not as far as your premise wiring. But I do not oversize the branch circuits that far above the real load. If you ever do this again and have a long run, no need to spend that much money. So, if you were to do another, a 30 amp circuit at 150’ with #10 would be fine.
So your point being is to build it to the bare minimum and save a couple dollars upfront and then if you decide to upgrade your welder and need a higher amperage wire that you have to completely rewire it and spend more money than a couple dollars it cost to upgrade it to begin with The heavier wire was a minimal cost because it was only 6 feet long and yes, the welder did come with the plug that plugs directly into it I did not put it on the welder
This is great info added.. I'm currently needing to run 150' into my shed/shop for my small 220v 30a welder..I also have a 230v air compressor.. I wanted to use the 6-50 plug as well, and that way I could use 8/2 for the long run... Do you recommend I use or 8/2, 8/3? And why?
@@_mylastname Both the welder and the air compressor are 240 volts, not 120/240 volts. There is no need for the third conductor IF that is all you will ever connect to it. Assuming you currently have no electricity in the shop, I would buy #6 have 3 conductors and a ground. Connect to a 60a breaker, and install a 60 amp main breaker panel. Then I would have appropriately sized circuits for each load.
@@diydan7019 No, not bare minimum! NEC compliant. Is your install a violation? No it is not. I have seen numerous videos showing 50 amp receptacles installed for small wire feed welders. The problem is, no one says that they are not required to be that big. So viewers that have no idea, think that they must install 50 amp receptacles and plugs for all welders. Hopefully, if something goes wrong inside these welders and causes low level fault currents, that the #14 cords don’t start frying an catch something on fire. Possible, but not necessarily probable. Life safety is priority one! Best wishes, Kevin
When would you need 8/3 instead of 8/2? I ask because I'm needing to run 150' to my shed.. Thank you. Great video!! It's 8/3 needed for the 4 prong? And 8/2 for 3 prong?
He explained that he could have used 8/2 with ground but he had already purchased the 8/3 with ground. He cut the copper ground and used the white wire for ground instead because it was a heavier gauge.
Good luck!
Very nice video ,thanks!!
What is the total amps on the main breaker box?
here is the part I dont understand; 110 the white goes to (at 17:11 ). buss on the right, bare goes to green / earth on left. So 220 doesn't use white bar on right? I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this... I am in process of installing 30 amp for welder, I put bare ground to box as I would on 110, white was to be to the white buss, I have not connected to the panel yet; is there an easy explanation to help me grasp the correct connection?
Correct it uses to 120 legs and an earth /bare ground no neutral is used
I used 8ga wire to run 30 ft, for a 220v, 160 amp Stick....?....
I think my 250 volt plug is upside down the ground is on the bottom,easy fix?
Shut the breaker off pull cover off and undo plug from box flip it over and reassemble the only thing that might cause you an issue is how thick the wires that are used and whether there’s enough slack in them to flip it over
@@diydan7019 Right on,thank you sir!
How can I add a plug onto a 220v device that is hard wired? I want to be a be able to plug and unplug it into a 220v outlet.
The easiest way is to get an adapter cable that will plug into that 220 on the wall and give you 3 110 outlets on the other end I found one on Amazon for $60
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You cut off the wrong wire. White wire should have been cut off. You can still use the white wire as an equipment ground if it is marked with green tape.
man , all you have to do is make a splitter to plug into two 110 outlets 😜