RUclips thought they could keep me from getting this video uploaded, but they underestimated my resolve! Anyways, which characters do you not want on Death Battle?
I don't want any of the Dokis to be in death battle Sayori's too innocent to be in it and I just don't want to see the girls get hurt and die I already had enough trama from Sayori's death from the game I also don't want Patrick or Squidward on deathbattle or Mr Krabs as well
pretty much any Deltarune character. the game is only 2/7 done and I can NOT handle watching one of them get stomped. once the game is fully out (or at least until chapter 5 comes out) then think it would actually be fair to have them on
Any character from Garfield Any character from the Loud House Ayano Aishi from Yandere Simulator Eustace Bagge from Courage the Cowardly Dog (I know he's versus viable but I'm just not a fan of him being on the show as a fighter) The Iron Giant Any character from the Annoying Orange Any character from the Amazing Digital Circus OG Sonic.EXE Pibby
Yeah that is not UNDERTALE man, fight club already did that and all of those episodes are pretty mid (literally not 'cause of the characters losing i don't care about Sans losing) man i literally love the game
And you use that argument for any games that has retry. Because that by that logic they will have to that solid snake can comeback from death because you retry the mission Frisk, The chosen undead and Doctor Who (and other characters that I'm either forgetting or I don't know them) has a canonical reincarnation some kinda. Boyfriend's "reset" is just a normal retry since nobody acknowledges it
@@jacobrocks7724 Shaggy actually did during the Shaggy x Matt mod. Which apparently made everyone think that THAT is a true ability. Is BF gonna die from a disease? Reset! Is BF killed by Daddy? Reset!
Regarding whether Olimar can work or not, it's actually been done well before on another vs show. Smash Bracket had him fight Piranha Plant of all things, and the final result was way cooler than anyone would expect. Plant is similar enough to a Pikmin boss fight to the point where they mesh well thematically.
BF from FNF, he's just a rapper with a demon for a girlfriend who's only option is rap battles,want to put him in a fight to the death, that's absurd, Monika is 10x worse, she's just a teenage high school girl what use would she be against even the weakest characters in Death Battle Edit: I agree with number 2 most definitely
Monika is very finicky cause it completely depends on where the fight takes place. If its her world then she steamrolls cause she can just go “haha me do funny delete” but she gets stomped literally anywhere and everywhere outside of her world.
Not gonna lie, some of the reasoning for blaze is really petty. It's a mix of "I'm upset they don't buy the absolute highest interpretations for how powerful those characters are" and "DB downplayed this franchise before, so there's no way they can change their minds over time". Like, what's wrong with them contradicting previous videos that you just said you disagree with? They do it all the time (compare thor's feats from thor vs wonder woman to his fight against vegeta), it's not like improving the research or buying higher end feats is anything new. People don't use the erazor jin feat because there's plenty wrong with it. On top of the outlier argument (the other two examples of cosmic feat you mentioned for base sonic aren't even close to universal) he explicitely needed the rings to destroy it all at once, and everything he did besides that was done over time, not to mention there's a lot of contradiction about how big the places he destroyed before even are. And no offense, but the part about mario vs sonic really just makes it sound less like genuine criticism, and more like a "fanboy being salty" kind of rant (not necessarily saying it actually is, but that's what it ends up sounding like). "They let mario survive hits from hyper sonic even though he can't even survive lava" cool, and hyper sonic can't survive being crushed by a rock. Using gamplay anti feats that are completely contradicted by what those characters have done is something you can do for both characters. Not to mention insanely hypocritical from someone who not only buys high end sonic feats, but also feels entitled to other people buying them.
Here's the thing: The reason I feel like Death Battle wouldn't contradict themselves when tackling Blaze is because of their track record with Sonic specifically. They may have updated their research with other franchises, but unless they're dealing with specifically Archie Sonic characters, Sonic characters often get downplayed to an extreme degree. Sure, back in the day when Death Battle wasn't as thorough, this was acceptable, but ever since Metal Sonic's episode, every character is rarely put at even planet level which is ridiculous. Due to this, it's often resulted in the Sonic character unfairly losing at best and deliberately shat on at worst, and as a Sonic fan who loves these characters, it hurts. With Erazor Djinn, the Arabian Nights is actually an entire multiverse with each story contained within its own universe, and Erazor said at the start of the game that he had carved up 100 of the 1,001 worlds that make up the verse. He's casually destroying entire universes before Sonic even gets there. In Infinite's case, not only can you get him even higher by virtue of him beating a more powerful Sonic with relative ease, but he can also create Null Space which according to the Japanese version of Forces is described as a whole universe the Phantom Ruby created. Emerl is the only one that doesn't reach universal, but it's not like it matters since he was fought back in the past when Sonic wasn't as powerful as he is now. Also, what do you define as an outlier? People I've talked to about Sonic scaling have thrown around that word a lot, and to me, it just sounds like they're saying "I choose not to use this thing because I don't want to" rather than them saying, "I choose not to use it because of a legitimate reason". Finally, about Mario vs Sonic, I could see where you're coming from, but I didn't just complain about how they handled Sonic in that episode. I also pointed out how Mario was done dirty too. They ignored his best feats that put him way higher than just kicking a building, and they butchered his character by making him act more like Racist Mario than Super Mario. Also, the main reason I said that Star Mario can't even survive lava is because that's literally all we have for Star Mario. With Hyper Sonic, we can scale it to Super Sonic accordingly who's proven to be powerful enough to take on beings of way more power. Star Mario has only ever shown up in gameplay with no real way to scale him which creates this issue of how you even utilize the powerup. Is he just invincible until the powerup where's out, or does the invincibility have limits? The games show us the latter almost all the time, and the only contradiction is in the movie where it lasts a little over half a minute. I appreciate the constructive criticism, but I did feel the need to explain myself a bit more.
@@tonysonic456 An outlier is when a feat completely surpasses what the character is usually portrayed as to an extent where it stops making sense. Obviously that's pretty arbitrary and it depends on where you draw the line, but saying it's a completely illegitimate argument is just wrong. It's pretty obvious why some people wouldn't buy the higher ends for characters like sonic (especially base form) or mario when those characters are clearly not shown at a cosmic level most of the time. As for Erazor Jin, there's plenty of things that contradict those statements. There are plenty of statements describing the arabian nights as one universe,or even the ending that talks about sonic finding his way back home by just "running". When was it stated that individual worlds in it are universes anyway? As for infinite, null space is described as a place where nothing exists, so it's not like creating it is anywhere near as impressive as creating a normal one. At best he would have created the ground that somehow exists there. Also, I just googled it and I couldn't find that statement, can you tell me where it comes from? And regarding mario vs sonic, I'm not sure I follow how your point for hyper sonic wouldn't also apply to star mario being above his base form who has been shown to survive lava before, but other than that, fair enough. And I really don't think your point about them updating their research should be that clear cut. Remember, mario vs sonic was made in the same season where they claimed universal destruction was too much for Thanos, which is obviously not something they would say nowadays. So the only example of a game sonic character after that was shadow vs ryuko, and that one could simply be an example of DB not using high ends for the winner because the fight was already clear cut (to use an example from the same season, the numbers they used for korra vs storm were billions of times below what they used for marvel characters of a similar level). I'm pretty sure some of the people working on the show have even mentioned universal feats for sonic characters at some point.
20:05 Glad to see Emerl get a mention! He’s my all time favorite Sonic character and the most underrated in my opinion. If Emerl were to be in Death Battle, they would have to include all the skills and abilities copied from the roster of Sonic Battle. He also would have to be scaled to other characters (Sonic outrunning a black hole for 30 seconds, Knuckles punching the ground and causing a volcanic explosion, Shadow using Chaos Control to teleport the Black Comet to space, Amy throwing her Piko Piko Hammer at Eggman’s ship twice and Perfect Chaos destroying the Egg Carrier with a single laser breath) not to mention the Final Egg Blaster destroying a cluster of stars. While it is true it wasn’t Emerl’s doing, he was planning to use on the Earth when he went haywire.
21:01: Actually, in the recent Trunks vs Silver, they used the Game version of Silver to upscale from Archie Silver! They said that Solaris as a cosmic being was gonna wipe out the Sonic Cosmology and each three hedgehogs needed to travel past linear time in order to defeat Solaris. In other words, they gave Archie Silver LITERAL IMMEASURABLE SPEED which was based off Game Silvers scaling. So considering Burning Blaze should be comparable to Super Sonic, they would give Blaze IMMEASURABLE scaling with possible Mutliversal scaling
Oh I have another one more matchup that I want to see is Scratch and grounder vs orbot and cube bot Nincombots vs nincombots What do you think about this?
Honestly, if they ever figured out how to make pikmin work in death battle, i'd personally much prefer louie over olimar, he would be a lot more interesting in my opinion.
To the creators of Death Battle: DO NOT USE CREAM THE RABBIT! She might have some moments of fighting, but she will avoid fighting unless absolutely necessary (just look at the episode of Sonic X when she and Cheese fought Emerl)
I may be poking the bear with this one, but the only way I could see having Madeline on death battle is if they do a Scooby vs Courage and have neither her or her opponent die but that would require a character from another series who would deserve it to begin with, and a few other factors idk.
So Frisk vs Madeline is the only option. Actually, I could see that becoming a really weird anti-Death Battle, where external forces try to make them fight but they just repeatedly refuse and it ends with the entire show breaking or something.
@@iamthemouse4483 That or Sunny vs. Madeline could work like this. Bonus points for both having a shadow counterpart that could make them start the fight but then they help the other beat their counterpart.
I could also see Frisk VS Niko having this scenario as. Not only they are pacifists, but they are very aware they are in a game. So I can see their main objective just avoid fighting and more so escaping.
28:38 THANK YOU! I had countless discussions with many fans about why Monika isn't a valid candidate for DB. Also thanks for referencing the Game theory episode that got millions of people confused about Monika's abilities(though Matpat's editors didn't help either). Yes she was able to "possess" someone but what people tend to forget is that was a 1 in a 1,000,000 chance of happening, she was just lucky and another thing fans tend to forget is that MONIKA DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO FIGHT! And no hacking the files the way Monika does isn't considered fighting because with her expertise it be as saying hitting someone with a water pistol is considered gunmanship. Long story short Monika is just a program who saw her other program friends being tortured in another simulation and wants you(the player) to free them. Nothing more, nothing less.
Judging by the thumbnail, I already know two of the five thumbnail characters who are going to at least be mentioned, if not be on this list: the Boyfriend from Friday Night Funkin' and Olimar from Pikmin.
Also, we need more people talking about who they don't want on Death Battle because as you've said in the description, talking about who people don't want in Death Battle is unpopular compared to who they want in Death Battle.
3:08 Times we've gotten Super Shadow (at least to my knowledge) as of this video: Sonic Adventure 2/Battle, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2006, Super Shadow as a spirit in Smash Bros Ultimate, Sonic Forces: Speed Battle, and Death Battle
You say your number 1 is the most controversial but I see it as probably the most reasonable one to not be included. Your takes are genuinely incredible and I really think you could add even more you don't want to see. I can't wait to see what else you make!
......you do know one of the rules of death battle is that mercy is ignored, right? It doesn't matter if the character is against violence in canon, they're willing to kill in death battle.
What?! Olimar's only 1.5 inches tall?! Dang I must be stupid because I assumed he was human. Also, funny you mention Viola because recently I beat Bayonetta 3 and was gonna play the first 2 Xenoblade Chronicleses, but after your previous DB vid, I decided to check out Hi-Fi RUSH and had a great time (RIP Tango #f_*(ring loss sound)*_kXBox), and now I'm on Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and it is kicking my ass to hell and beyond. Just looked for Celeste and it's on Game Pass so maybe I'll download it sometime. BTW, I totally thought Chara would be #1 because they got misrepresented as a psycho killer when really the psycho is us the player.
A character I don't really think that should be on death battle is Niko from Oneshot. ...This is a child who is just trying to find her way home and also doesn't engage in any combat in their home game. And much like Madeline, her being forced to murder someone or be killed herself is really unsettling considering she's only like 8. Yes there are characters that age who are also wanted like the Powerpuff Girls but they are literal superheroes with a wide array of feats and abilities. Niko has scaling to low multi thanks to the sun but that's all she has. And the only opponent I've seen for them is Frisk and the point of them not wanting to kill you brought up actually makes this worse 💀. Just let the cat eat pancakes with her mom oml The stuff with BF- I'd say maybe wait until the full game comes out, the devs did say that they wanted to do a combat system and fully animated cutscenes so we might have feats for him there
I do think it would be funny if Frisk VS Niko took the Scooby Doo VS Courage approach where they aren't fighting to the death, but rather do silly acts to get to know each other. It could be a very unique """""fight""""" and could be seen as playful. *(tho the death would be really tuff to pull out)*
This is a topic I've thought about on-and-off, so here are a few of mine. The A-Team: You'd think the TV series equivalent of action movies would be perfect for a Death Battle, but most of the team's actions are spent on studying their opponent in preparation for the big showdown, something Death Battle prohibits. Take that away, and your just left with "guys with guns," with little to no chance to show off the individual members' true strengths and personalities. Carmen Sandiego: Specifically the one *not* from the Netflix series (good as that show is). Her skillset is more suited to infiltration, so much so that you almost never actually see how she commits her crimes, crimes that can get downright ridiculous at times (one of her cronies once stole the entire Roman Forum). In fact, when Carmen is confronted, she spends all her energy into escape as opposed to actually dealing with her pursuers. Baymax (Disney's Big Hero 6): Put simply, Baymax does not kill; it's literally programmed into him to follow the Hippocratic Oath. Yes, there was that one scene in the movie where Hiro removed that particular program, but in the follow-up series, he replaced Baymax's combat program with a new chip that was less prone to lethality. Genie (Disney's Alladin): Similar to Baymax: the guy does not kill. In fact, while you could theoretically argue for Baymax's potential to kill, Genie has it hardwired into his very DNA. Consider that when Jafar became a genie, he lamented that he couldn't directly kill Alladin in vengeance and had to take measures that would merely *lead* to his demise. Korosensei (Assassination Classroom): This is probably my most controversial. Put simply, any fight with Korosensei would be an absolute stomp in his favor, owing to his incredibly specific weaknesses: pellets that are specifically designed to harm him, an adverse reaction to water that might not be as readily available, and you have to hit him in a very specific spot if you want to guarantee a kill.
@@Avajsb-rv7gw Speed is actually the least of my concerns (although his stated speed of Mach 20 doesn't help his case, either). It more comes down to how his most exploitable weaknesses are next to impossible for a supposedly unprepared opponent to deal with.
@@fictionfan0Eh, some of his big opponents like Monokuma and Sans have ways around that (transmutation and soul manipulation respectively) so I don’t think he immediately stomps everyone.
I think the main reason Shadow vs Ryuko didn't go all in on Star to Universe Level Sonic scaling is just because Shadow didn't need it to win. They wanted to still make it seem debatable in the analysis so they left out some of the higher scaling to make it less obvious. It wouldn't be the first time they did this and it wasn't the last. (Also if you need a good Blaze MU, Rivet from Ratchet and Clank is right there)
Could be, similar to what happened in Thor Vs. Vegeta. The reason they didn't give Thor Thorforce against Vegeta was because he didn't need it. Thor could crush Vegeta even harder than what happened in that Death Battle.
I got an idea, Madeline vs Pacifist Frisk, the episode is just them hanging out and being friends and not fighting i dont care if its called death battle, make this like a joke episode where they simply don't fight
Madeline, Pacifist Frisk and Hat Kid all vibing together would be the best timeline. At that point, it wouldn’t even be a Death Battle anymore, but it would be for the much greater good
yes! and they might as well include other character who don't fight just so no one asks. if they include all kind character who don't fight in battle but make them firends.. everyone should be happy
I'm just imagining Frisk and Madeline hanging out, having fun and eating spider donuts, meanwhile Badeline and Chara are giving each other death stares that say "If you lay a finger on Them, I will erase you and your entire bloodline."
Two characters i absolutely don't wanna see on Death Battle are the following: Robbie Rotten from Lazytown - This isn't me saying Robbie is a bad character or doesn't fit in Vs, but the main reason i don't wanna see him on Death Battle is because of Stefan Karl's passing. Even if it has been a number of years, just the idea that I'm gonna be a beloved and wonderful man die twice in my lifetime is something i don't think i can handle anytime soon. Imagine being part of Karl's family, and finding out that a character with his likeness was in a popular Vs show where he dies in a horrible manner. You can argue the same thing with Randy Savage, but even in that episode i don't think they handled the death well because it's too reminiscent of how he actually died (a heart attack). Unless there's a way to kill him off without feeling disgusting and distasteful, I don't want him in Death Battle, especially considering his most popular matchup is Waluigi, a character who absolutely stomps Robbie Rotten. Sunny from Omori - I love Omori, and i do wanna see it on Death Battle but uh... Don't put Sunny in Death Battle. I've seen good matchups for Sunny, Lucas from Mother 3 being a very good matchup with thematic connections, but it's a mega stomp. Lucas has actual combat experience while Sunny is a malnourished kid who can barely use a knife in a fight. I've heard arguments saying "Well just give Sunny his Headspace powers" *but if you're gonna give Sunny Headspace, just use Omori himself.* Omori himself is viable for Vs and has a wide array of abilities and items to use, but Sunny is just a normal kid, please don't put him on Death Battle.
If we DID get bayonetta on the series again, this is actually a decent idea. Spawn. Sure, it’s an absolute curb stomp, but there could be some cool banter.
OMORI spoilers you have been warned. Honestly Sunny is basically on the characters I least want to see in Death Battle. Since because I do not want to watch Sunny (a depressed child who basically hallucinate throughout the game from guilt, who commits suicide in a couple endings of the game) get killed or kill someone else in a match up. Since it leaves me with a dark taste in my mouth to have this depressed kid kill someone and potentially gain more guilt or get killed by that opponent. That is my opinion and belief. I just want this boy to have a happy ending. Thank you for reading.
To everyone who think game sonic isnt at least planet level he outran a blackhole for 30 seconds at the end of colors without super form and still escaped he is faster than literal light also a character thar i would love on death battle is a gungeoneer from enter the gungeon the gungeoneers have oved 300 weapons including stuff like blackhole guns and screen nukes including synergies the possibilities for attacks are endless
@paulwilliams5949 I don't know it's possibilly one of the strongest showing of his speed he still gets caught though and saved by the wisps along with becoming a blackhole with the void wisp from the ds version and that version is cannon along with the wii version
Video suggestion: just like you did with your Death Battle videos, how about your top 10 cartoon crossovers you’d want to see & don’t want to see. Ex, i think id be cool if they did a Gravity Falls & Phineas & Ferb crossover
I think the Patapons from Patapon could combat Olimar and the Pikmin, since in that game, you control an army of Patapon (although using drums to the beat of the music) One problem is the fact that there is a lack of their height listing. A post on Reddit said that they are apparently the size of a baseball, but there isn’t really a source for that. That, and the fact that the world seems like a normal earth looking tribal world.
Honestly, Madeline Vs Peppino is a pretty bad episode, Madeline didn’t show much ways of fighting (yes I’ve played the game) meanwhile Peppino turned off the f💍cking game, dispersed the sky, pummeled Pizzahead into oblivion, changed the sky back to it’s original color, destroyed pocket dimensions, and even moved the earth to cause a lunar eclipse (Fun fact: most people (myself included) headcanon them as uncle and niece so… having them fight to me is just weird, , the only way I’d wanna see Madeline is if Death Battle themselves look at the headcanon, approve of it, and put it in an episode where Peppino wins a fight or smth )
I think the only way you can really go about doing Pacifist Frisk in a Death Battle is if it's a complete draw where a third party dies, or if whoever is fighting them dies to -Flowey- something else entirely.
I wouldn't want any characters from the Gamera series in Death Battle, because their most popular and most likely matchups are against Godzilla characters, however it's a foregone conclusion that any Gamera vs Godzilla fight will be a massive stomp in the Godzilla character's favor, unless you're using some of the insanely underpowered variations of Godzilla like Minus One or Shin.
One of my favorite Blaze Matchups is Blaze Vs Rivet from Rift Apart. Alternate universe versions of the protagonist that differs in life styles to the characters and each other. One is a freedom fighter having to survive on the streets and the other lives a life of royalty. Both end up meeting up with the protagonists and end up having to fight an alternate universe version of the main antagonist. They both have trouble getting close to others and accepting friendship but the main hero and the characters from that verse help break down their barriers.
For the FNaF animatronic one, not only are they not seen doing much, none of them were even programmed to fight, not even Dad-of-the-Decade Glamrock Freddy. There are characters like William in his suits and the possessed animatronics. The animatronics were made to entertain, but were given sentience because of the souls of the dead kids/murderer of said kids. The only reason that they're deadly is because they attack night guards with little to no way to defend themselves besides doors and a mask. There's also the Funtimes. While yeah, they were made to capture and kill kids to harvest remnant (maybe), they can't use any of that in a battle because although deadly to a Joe-Shmoe, not at all deadly to someone like the Ghost Face or the Legion from Dead by Daylight, as they could just shove them over. Even the Glamrocks, because although they are seen doing some pretty neat stuff in their game, they can never use those in a Death Battle. The closest we could get would probably be the Blob/Tangle, as they're big enough and can use their tentacles for some means of attack, but even then they're far too big to even move around quick enough to get away from a powerful attack. Springtrap and his iterations (besides Glitchtrap) also has the disadvantage of being a literal rotten corpse in a suit. There's also the Golden Freddys, because like you said, they can only use 2 things in a battle, but even then they would barely do anything because they're just limp suits that can teleport and put you into an eternal purgatory after you die (in Cassidy's case). None of the animatronics are built for combat.
@@tonysonic456 what do you think of Batman vs Spider-Man it's my favorite episode featuring my two favorite characters battling each other also I completely agree with their verdict
I feel the same about Blaze (she's my favorite female character and yeah, Sonic characters are stronger than people say they are) but one thing that really grinds my gears about the Sonic matchups (both Sonic vs Mario fights and both Shadow fights before Ryuko) is that they severely limit the Super Forms, saying it only lasts about a minute with just 50 rings. Ignoring how Sonic was able to stay in Super for days in Advance, none of these fights ever have Super Sonic or Super Shadow get any more rings to extend the form like you commonly can do. Actually, I don't even recall there ever being any rings in any of the battles
The Sonic Advance thing is kind of a very weird outlier that hasn't been explained since. Remember Sonic was *missing* for those days so it's not certain if he actually maintained that form for days or something else had happened to him in the meantime and he got to use his super form again to travel back home and all the super forms every character has canonically used, they've always ran out in only a few minutes both before and after that game in every other appearance. He even gets completely taken out and drained fairly early and easily in the one minute he was in the form by Eggman at the start of Sonic Unleashed, and he struggled to keep being Super Sonic in Sonic Frontiers too after each Titan fight. And collecting Rings has only given the form one full second to stay more active, which against the wrong opponent would be a grave detriment if the characters can't somewhat focus on the battle.
@@yusifudo46 You realize in many of the games, Super Sonic can collect a bunch of rings all at once, like in the Time Eater fight? Why isn't he allowed to do that? He quite literally can get 900 rings and get more as the ring count drains. And Eggman caught Sonic in a machine specifically designed to take the Emeralds and used them to awaken Dark Gaia. And he didn't struggle to maintain Super after the Titan fights, he was hit by lasers (designed by the Ancients who had machinery to contain the Emeralds).
@@JayRedGear I said exactly all of that. It doesn't change anything I said, and that was Time Eater in a place where clearly he had way more access to rings than normal and time wasn't even a factor. You haven't debunked anything I said.
@@JayRedGear I said exactly all of that. It doesn't change anything I said, and that was Time Eater in a place where clearly he had way more access to rings and time wasn't even a factor. You haven't debunked anything I said
@@yusifudo46 It actually does because 1) in many Super Sonic fights, Sonic can gather more rings at any time and in games like Frontiers, he can have 900 rings, 2) both scenarios of you saying he can't maintain the form are wrong and clearly, you're ignoring context (of both Eggman and the Ancients' weaponry which were designed to contain the Emeralds), something that's not in play in any other fights, most especially in a Death Battle so IDK why you're even mentioning that.
For the BF entry, it would make more sense for pico to be in death battle than him, since he's in a fighting game (newgrounds rumble), and he's freaking loaded. As for your Monika entry: The second you brought her up, i was like "god damnit, people seriously hate me." I've long since stopped hating her, but she still takes me off guard when someone mentions the game, i.e yourself and caddicarus.
Oh my god, same. It's not really a hatred thing for any of the characters (Or the game itself, what I'm about to say may make it sound like that) but I've moved past it, and really, I never want to go back, for my own reasons. Enough to where if the game's brought up I just feel really uncomfortable.
One thing you didn't mention for Olimar: his ship has star level weaponry. So even if you could find someone for Olimar, they better be someone who also has a vehicle that can reach star level. Also, about Sonic characters, I completely agree, but there *is* hope. I mean, Sonic beat Goku in the Cast, which granted was fan vote, but was done using feats they themselves mentioned, including Void, Solaris and The End. Heck, by the end of it, Chad was even convinced that Sonic would beat Goku. So if they do ever do a Sonic MU again, there is a chance that they could finally do the series justice.
It's likely the Star level Dolphin is false, as Olimar reportedly got the Nova Blaster, the weapon said to blow up stars, from a shady businessman. The "blow up stars" quote came from a dubiously accurate brochure. It's likely just viral marketing Olimar bought into. Now, Uni+ Dolphin is actually more feasible surprisingly, but that's a whole other thing entirely-
I honestly don't want any of the My Little Pony G5 characters to be in the show mostly because there's not really much to work with for the characters besides Sunny Starscout, Opaline, and maybe Misty and Zipp Storm. (And also because I don't want to see any of them die because I love them too much) Death Battle should stick with G4 since the characters there have more to work with in a VS.
While Aang's character was butchered in his show, he technically is willing to kill not of his own volition, but because of the Avatar state. In the finale of season one he wiped out the fire nation army. So even though he himself was a pacifist, he could work in death battle as long as he killed someone in the Avatar state. But outside the Avatar state, he's not willing to kill.
Characters I don't want in Death Battle include Miltank, Watchog, Froslass, and Chansey. Chansey and Froslass because they have Minimize and Double Team respectively in addition to Froslass having Snow Cloak, and Minimize and Double Team should be removed from the game because they're such scummy garbage, Watchog because it's terribly weak but is somehow really annoying to battle (especially since it's everywhere in a Unova playthrough), and Miltank isn't just a nuisance, *IT IS A MENACE TO SOCIETY, AND I DESPISE IT WITH A BURNING PASSION.* I would happily enjoy getting revenge on Miltank by eating it and drinking its milk to ensure it dies and to bring justice to those who have suffered its Rollout-Attract-Stomp-Milk Drink wrath.
You do make a good point with Frisk. I never thought about the potential character assaination. However, i do have 2 ways it could work. 1. It's a tie. Frisk can't die by their opponents hand, but they refuse to kill their opponent. Frisk is still willing to fight. Like with Omega Flowey, but not land a killing blow. 2. Frisk accidentally kills their opponent, so resets and stops the fight before it happens.
@tonysonic456 I have always seen that determination in Undertale is a two-sided thing like yin and yang depending on what the goal is. Since the determination to save everyone, including Asriel, was so high that Frisk kept up with the God of Hyperdeath form, what makes it so that Genocide Frisk doesn't have the same amount of determination in the opposite direction? Chara destroys reality to point that there is no save point left to go back to through determination alone, so there is some precedent for Death Battle to go that route. Ultimately, I still agree with you Frisk really should not be used without really planning things out, if at all. I was just wondering since my understanding of determination is that you get the same amount of power, just pointed at whatever goal you are looking for.
One of my personal least wanted character for death battle is Paper Mario because his only matches are either a stomp in his favour or his opponents favour.
"Danganronpa", and yes, I know about Springtrap vs Junko. Unfortunately, that matchup is stupidly popular for way too many reasons, and if it does happen, I will be there to see Junko die horribly.
The danger of talking about a character, someone doesn't want to come to Death Battle, is the possibility of a troll, reading this, and randomly deciding to make it their life mission to come up with a matchup for that character, and push it enough into popularity, that it becomes an episode. So, no. I'll never talk about that one character, in all of fiction, for whom I have nothing but hatred and disgust left.
Honestly I kind of agree with the takes, however I should clarify something regarding the Blaze thing (And DB's thoughts: 20:45 So regarding DB having Shadow (and basically the rest of the cast that directly scale to the Emeralds). It's mentioned in the side-bars and their official research blogs (also a DBC Episode, I think it was Chaos Vs Kryogre iirc) that they do buy the Uni - Multi stuff for Sonic. The thing is that like in a lot of Death Battle, in order to keep it somewhat entertaining (i.e to make the audience guess who would win by keeping the stats vague or sometimes "low-balling" a character in the episode) they have to use a more conservative end feat for the casual audience who might not understand, and to basically serve as a simple "Even if we don't buy the Uni - Multi feats, the cast would still win with this more conservistive end". (They did the same thing with Dragonborn and The Doctor, so it's not the only one). Theres also the fact they are constantly improving their research overtime and more willing to buy various stuff that didn't before, so you can't be too hard on them - as they've constantly buffed verses MANY times. So if anything it's a possibility that they could redeem Sonic scaling. Personally speaking I'm fine with it since I like reading the side-bars and suppilmentry stuff in their blogs since I'm aware that they can't go over everything, but at the same time it is kind of annoying but nyeh. Regardless if you were curious on a Blaze MU that personally enjoy, is pretty fair, and really interesting. I recommend Rivet (Ratchet and Clank). Otherwise Pogfrog Video!
I appreciate the explanation, but I don’t think I understand their mindset. Death Battle has placed more than a few characters on the universal to multiversal scale before. Goku, Superman, Scarlet Witch, Zatanna, motherfucking SPONGEBOB-they let these characters be as powerful as they are; so why not the Sonic cast? Because if they were truly following their “conservative” approach, then none of the characters I mentioned would be that high on the power scale.
Hate to play Devil's advocate, but I can see someone suggesting for Frisk that they pull a Dimitri. In Guts vs Dimitri, they gave Dimitri's best feat by using alternate timelins shenanigans, where they said in Edelgard route, she defeated Rhea, and since Dimitri can defeat Edelgard in his route, he can likely do the same. Pretty sure die hard Frisk Fans would suggest they do the same thing, where they say since Pacifist Frisk can do all that stuff, it is likely that Genocide is stronger since Pacifist is technically Frisk at their "Weakest" and can pull the same stuff. People can also suggest they still be able to do the moves like Hope and Dream since she got them through Determination, something Genocide Frisk also has. However, this all is to play devil's advocate. I am pretty sure Genocide can't scale to Pacifist and gain the abilities they do as well. There also could be other things that can argued, but IDK enough about Undertale to have a full say. While I don't mind if Frisk were to join, I agree they should stay away from Death Battle. Heck, my favorite fight for Ness is actually Ness vs Silver.
Here is something I find pretty funny about the Number 2 entry I have heard of Madeline & Badeline VS The Ice Climbers. Which I find to be pretty hilarious
Pretty interesting list. I 100% agree with Rebecca being on the list, and honestly you could add Barry Burton on there too since what you said about her could also apply to him.
As a huge DDLC fan, The whole (Monika escapes) theory is wrong Its literally said in the game that Monika can never escape the game.. EVER she is forever trapped in the game If she ever did it would retcon what we've learned and I hate retcons unless Dan found a way to properly think it out and even then its.. You get what I'm saying
I can see why you and others would be opposed to seeing Smaug on Death Battle and that's fair, but personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him on the show so long as he's put against the right opponent. Like I personally like the idea him going against Fatalis from Monster Hunter thanks to their thematic connections and the idea of a good old fashion fire breathing Dragon fight even if the fight dynamic is a touch basic. Granted, I do see that deciding how the fight would play out and end could be tricky if the different subspecies are used in Fatalis's stead, but at least it's a better matchup than putting Smaug against Fin Fang Foom or Deathwing (seriously, how the hell did I think those were good matchups as a kid?) While there are a couple characters I could think of as ones I flat out don't want to see on Death battle, there's also a few characters that leave me conflicted, where I would LOVE to see on Death Battle because I like them as characters... but also I kinda don't want to see on the show if only because I think literally all their matchups SUCK (or more accurately I just don't like). The biggest offenders in that camp for me being Ridley, Mothra and Godzilla; characters I really love and would love to see on Death Battle, but not with the vast majority of their matchups, including their most popular ones (except for OG Godzilla vs Gamera, I love that episode despite not needing a rematch) Saying that, if there is one character that I could say I absolutely DON'T WANT to see covered on Death Battle, hot take, is SCP 682. Out of all the characters you could argue shouldn't belong on Death Battle because their uber-powerful abilities wouldn't clash well in versus settings (Superman and Saitama use to be one of the big ones back in the day), I personally think 682 is the biggest offender of that. Where his powers and plot manipulation hacks are such bullshit that trying to discuss them in a versus context isn't fun or interesting, and that nearly all their matchups are either ill-fitting, or are just boring with how one-sided or stalematey they are. I'm fine with cartoon characters being somewhat similarly bullshit with their zany powers and fourth-wall breaking antics, but at least they sometimes have in-universe weaknesses that could theoretically be countered, or at the very least are just always fun to watch and hear about. With 682's slightly more serious tone and completely unbeatable nature, I just think it stops being fun or interesting when trying to put him in versus. That's just me though, maybe there is more cleverness and nuance to some 682 matchups that I just don't see, and I know full well a ton of people still wanna see him on Death Battle, and that's ok.
I personally do not want any TADC characters on the show, at least not now. The only one with any really applicable stuff is Caine, but we barely know anything about him.
I don’t think it has been ever stated by the DB crew but I’d assume since Makima is technically the newest debut character used in DB where the manga she first appeared in was in 2018 and her episode in 2023 with at least 5 years worth of material needed for analysis. I believe they only time they’ve used freshly debut characters was Tracer from Overwatch back in 2016 where she only had a few months worth of materials at the time for tracer vs scout
The only way I'd see the og FNAF 1 animatronics working in a Death Battle is with the one matchup against Luigi. I could imagine it not being a battle but more of if Luigi could survive or not. (Which he obviously would) Also if Springtrap ever got on Death Battle, I'd want him to go up against the Ink Demon from BATIM.
@@him7829 The Ink Demon only works because “villains of mascot horror games”. That’s it. They have no connections outside of that, and furthermore, the Ink Demon would SLAUGHTER Springtrap. It’s not fair in the slightest.
Couldn't they just composite all three routes for Frisk? They've done that before with mixing Z and Super for Broly as if they were the same character. Although doing this would go into the discussion of when is it okay for Death Battle to composite, which I know some people have issues with, so I can understand if you're not comfortable with that option either. Either way, the one character I do not want in Death Battle is without a doubt the Iron Giant, for a lot of the same reasons you gave for Madeline. The whole point of the Iron Giant movie is that he was created to be a destructive weapon, but he does not want to be that and fights against his own programming. This means that the Iron Giant just using any of his actual weapons, like his lasers or explosions, would be going against his character, since he specifically fights against said weapons in the movie, and any moment he uses them is portrayed as something horrific. The only way to have the Iron Giant fight without breaking his character would be him just fight without his weapons, by just using his body and staying mostly defensive (this is kind of what they do in the MultiVersus video game, where you have the option to play like that and the weapons are all optional), but this wouldn't work on Death Battle, because the whole point of the show is putting the characters at their strongest, and the Iron giant's strongest attacks come from said weapons that he refuses to use, so they wouldn't be able to ignore the Iron Giant's strongest attacks just for the sake of keeping him in character. The choices here are either ignore most of the Giant's arsenal and his strongest attacks, or have him be explicitly out of character just for the sake of giving him his strongest attacks available. I'm not fund of either option, which is why despite at least one of his matches having good connections (Iron Giant vs Stitch is legitimately not bad connections wise), I'd still rather the Iron Giant not be used.
One character that I don't want to see on Death Battle that wasn't mentioned is any Soul Calibur characters, mainly because on rewatch it really seemed like they don't care about Soul Calibur, especially since they haven't had representation since Season 2 where they had two episodes. Also, been scrolling through the comments and I'm intrigued by all of the people talking about how they don't like the rematch between Mario and Sonic, which is funny because I am (hopefully soon) gonna be done editing a video about my favorites Death Battles and I chose not to include the episode due to it being a rematch where they don't even acknowledge the original episode.
@@toumabyakuya just take goku from dbs (and add his db and dbz stuff) and add whatever version of superman that came out the same year (bonus points if it was froma show) i normally would not care if my character loses... but the reason i want goku to win is cause everyone keeps making look weaker then he is and also him beating superman is payback...oh and i also think goku overall is a better character.. have nothing against superman.. also i will always vote against him
Honestly the only matchup for frisk and Madeline that kinda works for me is inverted fate frisk and chara vs Madeline and badaline but even then that’s using a fan made version of the characters and still misses the point of Madeline’s growth. (Inverted fate is really good though.) p.s. forgot to mention but good video.
These are good points and I agree with most of them, but the only one I disagree with is the blaze one. I just don’t think DB having scaling you think is objectively wrong is not a good reason to not have them on the show. Still I respect your opinion and your list is still good and valid
The thing is, the people who lowball Sonic characters do so with the intent of them losing. After Amy vs Ramona, any Sonic character that isn’t from the Archie comics ends up losing because their faulty research. Metal Sonic, Shadow(in Shadow vs Mewtwo), and Sonic all had the ability to win their episodes, but because of the inherent bias against Sonic in the versus community, they all lost.
@tonysonic456 I think Mewtwo beats shadow mainly because I think Mewtwo is stronger and his hax are crazy shadow is high uni in his base form tho and super shadow is multiversal or higher
Mega disagree with the Frisk take considering soulless pacifist exists and how geno frisk and pacifrisk are literally the same person and so their maximum potential is the same (geno frisk should actually be above pacifrisk due to them getting stronger the whole route) pacifrisk actually fought someone that made them lock tf in whilst the closest geno frisk got was fighting sans (debatably the hardest fight in the game but only because he’s cheating the whole fight not because he’s actually strong, he’s literally stated to be the weakest enemy)
Soulless Frisk doesn’t count because nothing changes for Frisk the world resets as if you just completed the pacifist route, meaning Frisk doesn’t remember doing the Genocide route. Plus, Soulless Frisk is still at their best during the Pacisfist route. Being Level 20 during the Genocide route doesn’t mean much since in the world of Undertale, levels don’t make you stronger. You just hold back less and less, and to say that Sans is anywhere NEAR the level of Asriel or even Omega Flowey is a crazy overestimation of Sans as a fighter.
@@tonysonic456 I never said Sans was near the level of Omega Flowey or Asriel. what I said was that he debatably has the hardest fight in the game. that is not because of his actual strength that is because he cheats thus making the fight take longer, he is stated to be the weakest enemy in the game.
@@tonysonic456 whether or not Frisk remembers doing the Geno route doesn't matter it still proves they have the same maximum potential regardless if they were aware of it.
@@helton1812 Dude, the Genocide route was not their maximum potential. I said that enough already. Frisk is at their best as a pacifist, and that just wouldn’t work for them in a Death Battle episode because they’d be forced to go against that mindset and kill someone.
I would argue that you made stronger arguments for Madeline being number one than Frisk. I would also argue that Genocide Frisk is at least more powerful than Neutral. However, then Frisk faces a problem similar to the animatronics where the two most powerful versions of a character that are completely incompatible and can't be composited in any reasonable way(There is no way Frisk could simultaneously be filled with enough desire to help people to nullify the power of a reality-warping deity AND enough hatred to turn into One Punch Man)
Neutral Frisk stood their ground against Omega Flowey who's much stronger than anyone Geno Frisk fought. Also, Frisk comes from my favorite game of all time which part of the reason why they made number 1.
Right from the start, you pull out a character I have complicated opinions on for Death Battle. Honestly, I want Olimar in Death Battle and to have him scaled to his smash height, not because of making a match compatible… But just to get an idea of how tough he and the Pikmin actually are without their height getting in the way. Mass and relative size are everything in physics. Remember in Pikmin 4 where 100 purples lifted a bar of gold or how Olimar survives getting crushed from above by boulders on the regular? From the perspective of our size, it’s a joke. But from his size? It may not be super faithful to his series, but I think Olimar deserves some proper justice in VS debate circles. If that means ignoring a canon handicap and doing 9 Starbucks trips worth of math to figure out the proper scaling needed to make an OG Goku vs Superman “Gravity Formula”? Then I say it’s worth it to let the guy shine. As for characters I personally don’t want to see? Definitely Rosalina from Super Mario. Rosalina has kind of the opposite problem you have with Blaze. She is often hyped up by fanboys as this universe level cosmic goddess (mainly due to Galaxy’s ending). However… A.) That was The LUMAS. Not her. B.) She has never displayed anything else close to this level of supposed power. and C.) Galaxy’s ending as a whole felt like an abstract clusterfuck to me. Regardless of how Death Battle’s analytics team decide to interpret it, SOMEONE is going to get pissed off.
I think the case with Rosalina is that she herself is the guardian of the Lumas and therefore can be scaled to them and she survived the universal reset explosion.
@@hownot2junk803 That’s cool, I can respect that. But I still think it would be cool to figure out just how powerful they are from THEIR perspective as opposed to OURS. Y’know?
One character I'm Really Conflicted on for being on Death battle is Toriko. On one hand, he's got plenty of Fun matchups to work with, and obviously has plenty of Combat Feats that a Typical Shonen Protagonist would have...However, he wouldn't work in a Situation where he has to fight someone to the Death because of his Strict Moral code as a Gourmet Hunter, that being Never killing something he doesn't Eat. So it would be Way out of character for him to Kill someone in a fight. Now there are Other characters from Toriko that could work on Death Battle, like Zebra or Starjun, but Toriko himself wouldn't work because of his Morals.
There's 2 characters I don't in Death Battle because it would be out of character for them to fight and those characters are Paddington Bear and Winne The Pooh
@@novarevenant3908 No they don't but I know there's at least a few people out there that be stupid enough to think that'd be a good idea. I've been on the internet way to long to know that is true.
It would be unfairly one sided anyway since while Pooh is a teddy bear, Paddington is a real bear in his universe. Pooh would easily be torn to fabric and stuffing in Paddington wasn't such a pacifist. If Pooh had to be in Death Battle, someone like Corduroy would be a more fair opponent.
The first rule of 'no returning character' is based of you because imo. I just don't see the point in them being brought back again if they won their fight with a previous character only for them to go against another character
@@Jojo-be5im I mean, if it’s been a while, the character has another interesting matchup, and they’ve gotten some new stuff since then, I think there’s nothing wrong with bringing back a character.
By the end of this, I'm not even feeling any disappointment or pleasure over the takes about the picks, just absolutely flabbergasted that Sans isn't the strongest undertale character and Monika has barely any actual powers. I'm so used to seeing the pop culture/fandom perceptions of those characters that went against that and you just disproved them while making it seem so obvious, the dissonance i had was just insane
While I'd have to say that Smaug is definitely more powerful than you gave him credit for, id still agree that he's still quite weak among dragons. That's kind of fitting. In lore, Smaug is considered BY FAR the weakest dragon to ever live in middle-earth. There are one or two dragons I think he would beat in a death battle, like Drogon, but yeah, in terms of ALL dragons in media, Smaug's a weakling. Not the weakest, but no where near the strongest Now if you want a dragon from middle-earth that IS ridiculously powerful, go with Ancalagon The Black. He was so large that he completely blotted out the sun across continents and destroyed entire mountain ranges by landing atop them.
As a serious Ben 10 fan, I am apprehensive about them adding Ben Tennyson to another Death Battle because of how terribly they handled him in Ben 10 vs Green Lantern. If he shows up again, and they handle him well, I would really enjoy it.
@@plimepf9493 A ton of people have brought that one up, and I just think it’s fine. Connections are solid, but my main issue with having Blaze on the show is how they’d handle her. The lack of interesting matchups is a footnote.
@tonysonic456 that makes sense. For me, I'm not really someone who is dedicated to the debate or how a character is scaled. It's more so how they interact and how well they are portrayed. I think bad characters can get good episodes, and good characters can get bad ones. But I do agree with a lot of this list in terms of versus debating. Monika doesn't do anything, frisk can't die, really, ect. I just happen to like 1 matchup regardless of the negatives the character brings.
I’ve only got a couple of options for characters I don’t want in Death Battle, and one of them is a Joke version of a character, and the other is a group of characters altogether 1: Ultra-Instinct Shaggy To put it simply, this was a joke that everyone took way too far, Shaggy was brave for a few scenes in Scooby-Doo and all of a sudden everyone went nuts, fan made fight animations were made with him being above god level of power, with everyone overestimating him like nobody’s business to the point of people demanding he be the next Guest character in Mortal Kombat 11 when it first came out 2: literally any Dreamworks movie villain Name any Dreamworks villain and it’s likely they don’t have enough media outside of one movie to pull feats from, Titan, Chantele Dubois, Dave the Octopus, Dwayne the Exterminator, Prince Charming, Lord Farquaad, Fairy Godmother, Rumplestiltskin, The Red Death, Drago Bludvist, Grimmel the Grisly, General Kai, Lord Shen, Tai Lung, Big Jack Horner, Death, some of those have a decent number of fight scenes, and some clips of them doing evil stuff, especially so for the Kung Fu Panda Villains and Death, (enough that you could _maaaybe_ get away with it) but compared to some of the characters that they get paired up with for matchups, they’re awesome in theory, but kind of a mess when you actually start to look into it as a VS debate, they only have a few feats to talk about due to being in only one movie and then that’s it after that, not to mention some of the characters they get put up against are ridiculous, like Death’s most popular opponent is Rattlesnake Jake from Rango, who not only has the same problem as Dreamworks villains, but it’s a snake Vs a wolf, and a supernatural wolf at that, first problem is the size difference, Death is going to ultimately tower over any character in Rango, but also Death is a supernatural being who can walk through energy barriers that would normaly obliterate anyone it touches, Jake on the other hand is a normal rattlesnake with a Gatling gun. Honestly you’d ultimately only get their maximum potential through scaling a whole bunch of times. Really, Death and Tai Lung are treated more as memes in Vs debating, and not an awful lot of them stand out enough to be extremely memorable, or have any noticeable matchups, which kinda sucks because I love Dreamworks movies, hell, How to Train Your Dragon is not only my favourite Dreamworks franchise, it’s also my favourite movie/franchise… like, in general. And yet how many of the villains would you consider making a hype Death Battle matchup for? Probably none of them.
Tbf Rebecca Chambers does a lot more stuff in the books and she was also in a few Resident Evil movies so I get why a lot of people want to see her in Death Battle. Heavily agree with FNAF and Madeline though. I don't wanna see Madeline on Death Battle. But the one thing I will say is that if you did take Badeline into account then Madeline does have a lot of combat potential. Lasers, teleporting, telekinesis, giant tentacles, flight, and probably a couple of other things. Now I still don't want to see her in Death Battle but I can understand why others do.
I heard the flowey vs Monika death battle what if music by Brandon yates and i liked it but I also thought when listening this wouldn't even be contest. Flowey would destroy her because with that power he became a god and could kill us 10 thousand times. monkia can just change some files around and she can't really even do that great less she risks fucking up the whole game
Honestly I think there is maybe 1 or two games that can fit olimar for a death battle… first, a smaller game called Bug Fables with the main team Team Snakemouth… which are bugs the size of bugs, so perfect and it is set after a apocalypse (but way after…. Do like humanity is gone but their stuff is still there so you have some of that, and also allow Bugs to Mutate and became intelligent enough to have civilization) and they can have a whole team with Leif using ice magic Vi her Beearang and Kabbu their horn vs Olimar and the Pikmin in a all out battle or maybe a single charater like maybe Olimar be Kabbu, the (maybe) other game is Hallow Knight with the vessel since of the bug theme. (Will watch the rest of the video and if I get any more ideas or even any I have after the video that don’t appear I will comment them in this comment’s comment section)
The Monica vs Flowey idea is literally a Coughing Baby vs Nuclear Bomb senario, a 18 year old girl who just learned about the 4th wall and code so don’t know much about it vs a flower who was brought back from death by a experiment who tried to die again but when they did they realized they had control of time so experimented who know how many times, gaining knowage of the game (and possibly the 4th wall… possibly could be wrong tho…) to the point to when the 7th human fell they can tell if we reset to spare Toriel after killing her and just taunts us for it, to having a form to where we need the other 6 humans souls help to even beat… yeah she had no chance against him…
Oh, i forgot to mention, is Genocide Frisk really the weakest? Because they one-shot everyone with the exception of Undyne the Undying because she's just built different, and Sans semi-canonically gave them a hard time due to the accumulated Karma and he can dodge for some reason. Side note, have you played Xenoblade Chronicles? Because I think I'm starting to adapt to it without Casual Mode.
They may one-shot everything around them, but said everything doesn't hold a candle to Omega Flowey or Asriel. At their best, Frisk is a literal god by virtue of their pacifism. Also, I did play a tiny bit of Xenoblade 1 but dropped it shortly afterwards.
@@JoshioE110 Chara would easily be a better choice than Genocide Frisk. In fact, Genocide Frisk would probably work best as scaling for Chara rather than a standalone combatant.
Any of the meme characters like ugondon knuckles and more should not be used in death battle especially since ive seen people say that ugondon knuckles would wipe the floor with cell from dbz even though UGONDON KNUCKLES HAS NO STATS ITS JUST A MEME
Olimar: Yeah. Agreed. This...doesn't work. Viola: That's more a "not now" summary than a total "should never happen", but essentially agreed. Give her a game or two more to see if she falls off. Rebecca Chambers: Yeah, this is complete...who? 8 is pretty low for this. Smaug: A dragon v dragon fight would be cool. Smaug vs. Rathalos would work (and Smaug probably even wins that fight), but that's about it as far as a dragon fight with Smaug making sense goes. FNAF Animatronics: I could have seen them doing Golden Freddy vs. Bendy 4-5 years ago, but now I think FNAF's moment is passed. Blaze: I think Blaze vs. Starfire probably is the match, if it happens at all. I don't think Blaze is the next Sonic fight, though. Next Sonic fight is, probably, Rouge vs. Sly. Boyfriend: Boyfriend vs. Parappa would at least be fun, even if Boyfriend DEFINITELY loses. Monika: Would get stomped by the Junko AI (which would be a fun match), from Danganronpa 2, let alone FLOWEY. Madeline: Hat Kid would stomp, and the logic is shaky. Peppino would also stomp, and...c'mon: Peppino vs. Wario. Frisk: Yeah. Just...no. I don't necessarily have characters I definitely don't want, but I have one match-up that I think SUCKS. Kylo Ren vs. Edelgard (I would not be opposed to either of these on the show, just...not against each other. For Kylo? Masayoshi Shido. For Edelgard? Mandy, from The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.)
There are two characters I don't want in death battle, and those are villager and issabelle from animal crossing, the reason why I don't want them in death battle is because they basically have no fighting prowess at all (an no smash bros doesn't count). And because of this they would get killed almost immediately if there are any matchups with other characters, and this is the reason why I don't want these characters in death battle. And I'm excited for the 358/2 days everything right and wrong with, and 358/2 days along with Re:coded are my favorite ds games.
One problem I feel with using FNAF robots is that they are essentially like 21st century versions of a ghostly suit of armor possessed by spirits. As far as abilities go, while they might be really threatening in their own universe against most other characters they would not fare very well. Like most fictional characters can probably just beat up what is essentially a haunted robot. The reason Freddy is such a threat in the games is because the protags are usually normal people or children who don't know how to fight and are acting on survival instinct and quick wit. However while writing this comment I realized there could be one very obscure character that might be a good match up against some versions of the FNAF characters: Gorl, Knight of Jalis from Deltora Quest. Thematically, it makes somewhat sense because it's the classic "Ghostly Knight Armor" vs modern "Possessed animatronic suit" While I am not too much of an expert in terms of power-scaling, I feel their powers are also very close with maybe a slight edge to Freddy, depending on which Freddy is being used. However even with this match up the major problem remains that there is barely anything to work with for BOTH characters here.
I don't think they don't buy uni sonic, it's just ryuko doesn't deserve to be fed to uni shadow, so lowballing is fine for me. They said in trunks silver that silver did experience 06, and did put solaris at the level they should be.
Yeah, but they still didn’t give Sonic the proper feats in his episode, and in Silver’s case, they were using the Archie comic version which is a lot more overtly overpowered. They couldn’t pick and choose which feats to use without it being obvious in that case.
Rebecca wouldn’t be good in a death battle because she a healer type, or something that find cures for virus. She is different from the character because her way of fighting is making viruses useless, for example, I think she created a vaccine for the t-virus.
RUclips thought they could keep me from getting this video uploaded, but they underestimated my resolve! Anyways, which characters do you not want on Death Battle?
I don't want any of the Dokis to be in death battle
Sayori's too innocent to be in it and I just don't want to see the girls get hurt and die I already had enough trama from Sayori's death from the game
I also don't want Patrick or Squidward on deathbattle or Mr Krabs as well
pretty much any Deltarune character. the game is only 2/7 done and I can NOT handle watching one of them get stomped. once the game is fully out (or at least until chapter 5 comes out) then think it would actually be fair to have them on
Any character from Garfield
Any character from the Loud House
Ayano Aishi from Yandere Simulator
Eustace Bagge from Courage the Cowardly Dog (I know he's versus viable but I'm just not a fan of him being on the show as a fighter)
The Iron Giant
Any character from the Annoying Orange
Any character from the Amazing Digital Circus
OG Sonic.EXE
Pibby
Captain Viridian from VVVVVV… all he can do is flip and die over and over
I'm going to skip number nine because I do want to play Bayonetta and I want to see if she's really annoying
"B-but... Boyfriend has the power to reset time... That's why he always wins against his opponents-"
No, he didn't. This isn't Undertale, neighbor.
Yeah that is not UNDERTALE man, fight club already did that and all of those episodes are pretty mid (literally not 'cause of the characters losing i don't care about Sans losing) man i literally love the game
And mods aren't canon and thus shouldn't be considered on the show.
And you use that argument for any games that has retry. Because that by that logic they will have to that solid snake can comeback from death because you retry the mission
Frisk, The chosen undead and Doctor Who (and other characters that I'm either forgetting or I don't know them) has a canonical reincarnation some kinda. Boyfriend's "reset" is just a normal retry since nobody acknowledges it
And besides boyfriend would immediately be disqualified as he gets outside help thanks to girlfriend
@@jacobrocks7724 Shaggy actually did during the Shaggy x Matt mod. Which apparently made everyone think that THAT is a true ability. Is BF gonna die from a disease? Reset! Is BF killed by Daddy? Reset!
Regarding whether Olimar can work or not, it's actually been done well before on another vs show. Smash Bracket had him fight Piranha Plant of all things, and the final result was way cooler than anyone would expect. Plant is similar enough to a Pikmin boss fight to the point where they mesh well thematically.
True, but he was still way too small to ever win against Piranha Plant.
@@tonysonic456it was still an epic animation
Papa Smurf do be the perfect matchup. The size issue is basically nonexistant there.
@@leirbag1595but can Papa Smurf even fight?
@jacobrocks7724 Throughout all the media i've seen, i've never seen him once for a punch.He may be a skilled With magic Combat not so much
BF from FNF, he's just a rapper with a demon for a girlfriend who's only option is rap battles,want to put him in a fight to the death, that's absurd, Monika is 10x worse, she's just a teenage high school girl what use would she be against even the weakest characters in Death Battle
Edit: I agree with number 2 most definitely
Bro spitting bars and facts.
Monika is very finicky cause it completely depends on where the fight takes place. If its her world then she steamrolls cause she can just go “haha me do funny delete” but she gets stomped literally anywhere and everywhere outside of her world.
@@TryingMyNamewell…except Kumagawa. And Alien X. and any character that can rewrite her story to remove her abilities.
Even though he uses the real problem of mental health to get his point across?
4:29 he's bean shrunk before so they could make something happen
@Lordtroy1746 Only in one chapter that was the exception rather than the rule.
@@tonysonic456I'm just saying if they wanted this fight to happen they could
@Lordtroy1746 It wouldn't be using Wonder Red at his best, and one of their rules is to use characters at their best.
@@tonysonic456 ok
Not gonna lie, some of the reasoning for blaze is really petty. It's a mix of "I'm upset they don't buy the absolute highest interpretations for how powerful those characters are" and "DB downplayed this franchise before, so there's no way they can change their minds over time". Like, what's wrong with them contradicting previous videos that you just said you disagree with? They do it all the time (compare thor's feats from thor vs wonder woman to his fight against vegeta), it's not like improving the research or buying higher end feats is anything new.
People don't use the erazor jin feat because there's plenty wrong with it. On top of the outlier argument (the other two examples of cosmic feat you mentioned for base sonic aren't even close to universal) he explicitely needed the rings to destroy it all at once, and everything he did besides that was done over time, not to mention there's a lot of contradiction about how big the places he destroyed before even are.
And no offense, but the part about mario vs sonic really just makes it sound less like genuine criticism, and more like a "fanboy being salty" kind of rant (not necessarily saying it actually is, but that's what it ends up sounding like). "They let mario survive hits from hyper sonic even though he can't even survive lava" cool, and hyper sonic can't survive being crushed by a rock. Using gamplay anti feats that are completely contradicted by what those characters have done is something you can do for both characters. Not to mention insanely hypocritical from someone who not only buys high end sonic feats, but also feels entitled to other people buying them.
Here's the thing:
The reason I feel like Death Battle wouldn't contradict themselves when tackling Blaze is because of their track record with Sonic specifically. They may have updated their research with other franchises, but unless they're dealing with specifically Archie Sonic characters, Sonic characters often get downplayed to an extreme degree. Sure, back in the day when Death Battle wasn't as thorough, this was acceptable, but ever since Metal Sonic's episode, every character is rarely put at even planet level which is ridiculous. Due to this, it's often resulted in the Sonic character unfairly losing at best and deliberately shat on at worst, and as a Sonic fan who loves these characters, it hurts.
With Erazor Djinn, the Arabian Nights is actually an entire multiverse with each story contained within its own universe, and Erazor said at the start of the game that he had carved up 100 of the 1,001 worlds that make up the verse. He's casually destroying entire universes before Sonic even gets there. In Infinite's case, not only can you get him even higher by virtue of him beating a more powerful Sonic with relative ease, but he can also create Null Space which according to the Japanese version of Forces is described as a whole universe the Phantom Ruby created. Emerl is the only one that doesn't reach universal, but it's not like it matters since he was fought back in the past when Sonic wasn't as powerful as he is now. Also, what do you define as an outlier? People I've talked to about Sonic scaling have thrown around that word a lot, and to me, it just sounds like they're saying "I choose not to use this thing because I don't want to" rather than them saying, "I choose not to use it because of a legitimate reason".
Finally, about Mario vs Sonic, I could see where you're coming from, but I didn't just complain about how they handled Sonic in that episode. I also pointed out how Mario was done dirty too. They ignored his best feats that put him way higher than just kicking a building, and they butchered his character by making him act more like Racist Mario than Super Mario. Also, the main reason I said that Star Mario can't even survive lava is because that's literally all we have for Star Mario. With Hyper Sonic, we can scale it to Super Sonic accordingly who's proven to be powerful enough to take on beings of way more power. Star Mario has only ever shown up in gameplay with no real way to scale him which creates this issue of how you even utilize the powerup. Is he just invincible until the powerup where's out, or does the invincibility have limits? The games show us the latter almost all the time, and the only contradiction is in the movie where it lasts a little over half a minute.
I appreciate the constructive criticism, but I did feel the need to explain myself a bit more.
@@tonysonic456 An outlier is when a feat completely surpasses what the character is usually portrayed as to an extent where it stops making sense. Obviously that's pretty arbitrary and it depends on where you draw the line, but saying it's a completely illegitimate argument is just wrong. It's pretty obvious why some people wouldn't buy the higher ends for characters like sonic (especially base form) or mario when those characters are clearly not shown at a cosmic level most of the time.
As for Erazor Jin, there's plenty of things that contradict those statements. There are plenty of statements describing the arabian nights as one universe,or even the ending that talks about sonic finding his way back home by just "running".
When was it stated that individual worlds in it are universes anyway?
As for infinite, null space is described as a place where nothing exists, so it's not like creating it is anywhere near as impressive as creating a normal one. At best he would have created the ground that somehow exists there. Also, I just googled it and I couldn't find that statement, can you tell me where it comes from?
And regarding mario vs sonic, I'm not sure I follow how your point for hyper sonic wouldn't also apply to star mario being above his base form who has been shown to survive lava before, but other than that, fair enough.
And I really don't think your point about them updating their research should be that clear cut. Remember, mario vs sonic was made in the same season where they claimed universal destruction was too much for Thanos, which is obviously not something they would say nowadays. So the only example of a game sonic character after that was shadow vs ryuko, and that one could simply be an example of DB not using high ends for the winner because the fight was already clear cut (to use an example from the same season, the numbers they used for korra vs storm were billions of times below what they used for marvel characters of a similar level). I'm pretty sure some of the people working on the show have even mentioned universal feats for sonic characters at some point.
20:05 Glad to see Emerl get a mention! He’s my all time favorite Sonic character and the most underrated in my opinion.
If Emerl were to be in Death Battle, they would have to include all the skills and abilities copied from the roster of Sonic Battle. He also would have to be scaled to other characters (Sonic outrunning a black hole for 30 seconds, Knuckles punching the ground and causing a volcanic explosion, Shadow using Chaos Control to teleport the Black Comet to space, Amy throwing her Piko Piko Hammer at Eggman’s ship twice and Perfect Chaos destroying the Egg Carrier with a single laser breath) not to mention the Final Egg Blaster destroying a cluster of stars. While it is true it wasn’t Emerl’s doing, he was planning to use on the Earth when he went haywire.
21:01: Actually, in the recent Trunks vs Silver, they used the Game version of Silver to upscale from Archie Silver! They said that Solaris as a cosmic being was gonna wipe out the Sonic Cosmology and each three hedgehogs needed to travel past linear time in order to defeat Solaris. In other words, they gave Archie Silver LITERAL IMMEASURABLE SPEED which was based off Game Silvers scaling. So considering Burning Blaze should be comparable to Super Sonic, they would give Blaze IMMEASURABLE scaling with possible Mutliversal scaling
Oh I have another one more matchup that I want to see is
Scratch and grounder vs orbot and cube bot
Nincombots vs nincombots
What do you think about this?
It's funny because Olimar vs Milodane from Tinykin is one of my more wanted matchups. They're both tiny and command small armies so it could work out.
Honestly, if they ever figured out how to make pikmin work in death battle, i'd personally much prefer louie over olimar, he would be a lot more interesting in my opinion.
To the creators of Death Battle: DO NOT USE CREAM THE RABBIT! She might have some moments of fighting, but she will avoid fighting unless absolutely necessary (just look at the episode of Sonic X when she and Cheese fought Emerl)
The only MU they could possibly do with Cream is against Fluttershy and I would consider that as a joke episode.
I may be poking the bear with this one, but the only way I could see having Madeline on death battle is if they do a Scooby vs Courage and have neither her or her opponent die but that would require a character from another series who would deserve it to begin with, and a few other factors idk.
Same can be said for Pacifist Frisk. The Action could be their Act commands that could lead to silly moments. Much like Scooby VS Courage's Thumbwar.
So Frisk vs Madeline is the only option.
Actually, I could see that becoming a really weird anti-Death Battle, where external forces try to make them fight but they just repeatedly refuse and it ends with the entire show breaking or something.
@@iamthemouse4483 That or Sunny vs. Madeline could work like this. Bonus points for both having a shadow counterpart that could make them start the fight but then they help the other beat their counterpart.
I could also see Frisk VS Niko having this scenario as. Not only they are pacifists, but they are very aware they are in a game. So I can see their main objective just avoid fighting and more so escaping.
28:38 THANK YOU! I had countless discussions with many fans about why Monika isn't a valid candidate for DB. Also thanks for referencing the Game theory episode that got millions of people confused about Monika's abilities(though Matpat's editors didn't help either). Yes she was able to "possess" someone but what people tend to forget is that was a 1 in a 1,000,000 chance of happening, she was just lucky and another thing fans tend to forget is that MONIKA DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO FIGHT!
And no hacking the files the way Monika does isn't considered fighting because with her expertise it be as saying hitting someone with a water pistol is considered gunmanship.
Long story short Monika is just a program who saw her other program friends being tortured in another simulation and wants you(the player) to free them. Nothing more, nothing less.
I remember a fight between her and Yandere-chan from Yandere Simulator. The only similarity between them is that they're yandere. That's it.
@@summersensation9244 That's lame, why do DDLC fans think Monica can fight?
Judging by the thumbnail, I already know two of the five thumbnail characters who are going to at least be mentioned, if not be on this list: the Boyfriend from Friday Night Funkin' and Olimar from Pikmin.
Also, we need more people talking about who they don't want on Death Battle because as you've said in the description, talking about who people don't want in Death Battle is unpopular compared to who they want in Death Battle.
3:08 Times we've gotten Super Shadow (at least to my knowledge) as of this video:
Sonic Adventure 2/Battle, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2006, Super Shadow as a spirit in Smash Bros Ultimate, Sonic Forces: Speed Battle, and Death Battle
You say your number 1 is the most controversial but I see it as probably the most reasonable one to not be included. Your takes are genuinely incredible and I really think you could add even more you don't want to see. I can't wait to see what else you make!
I do not want Luigi to be in another death battle. He wouldn’t hurt the innocent, and especially with how they bastardized him in his death battle
womp womp i need him to beat up pac-man
“He wouldn’t hurt the innocent” flashback to all the crimes Luigi has committed in Mario Kart and Mario Party
......you do know one of the rules of death battle is that mercy is ignored, right? It doesn't matter if the character is against violence in canon, they're willing to kill in death battle.
Nobody i's "innocent."
U do realize how many characters in death battle wouldn't hurt the innocent? Besides, Luigi vs pacman is peak
What?! Olimar's only 1.5 inches tall?! Dang I must be stupid because I assumed he was human. Also, funny you mention Viola because recently I beat Bayonetta 3 and was gonna play the first 2 Xenoblade Chronicleses, but after your previous DB vid, I decided to check out Hi-Fi RUSH and had a great time (RIP Tango #f_*(ring loss sound)*_kXBox), and now I'm on Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and it is kicking my ass to hell and beyond. Just looked for Celeste and it's on Game Pass so maybe I'll download it sometime. BTW, I totally thought Chara would be #1 because they got misrepresented as a psycho killer when really the psycho is us the player.
A character I don't really think that should be on death battle is Niko from Oneshot. ...This is a child who is just trying to find her way home and also doesn't engage in any combat in their home game. And much like Madeline, her being forced to murder someone or be killed herself is really unsettling considering she's only like 8. Yes there are characters that age who are also wanted like the Powerpuff Girls but they are literal superheroes with a wide array of feats and abilities. Niko has scaling to low multi thanks to the sun but that's all she has. And the only opponent I've seen for them is Frisk and the point of them not wanting to kill you brought up actually makes this worse 💀.
Just let the cat eat pancakes with her mom oml
The stuff with BF- I'd say maybe wait until the full game comes out, the devs did say that they wanted to do a combat system and fully animated cutscenes so we might have feats for him there
I do think it would be funny if Frisk VS Niko took the Scooby Doo VS Courage approach where they aren't fighting to the death, but rather do silly acts to get to know each other. It could be a very unique """""fight""""" and could be seen as playful. *(tho the death would be really tuff to pull out)*
Wait Niko is a girl? Uh you learn something everyday.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 goes by any pronouns
@@Parris807 Makes sense.
This is a topic I've thought about on-and-off, so here are a few of mine.
The A-Team: You'd think the TV series equivalent of action movies would be perfect for a Death Battle, but most of the team's actions are spent on studying their opponent in preparation for the big showdown, something Death Battle prohibits. Take that away, and your just left with "guys with guns," with little to no chance to show off the individual members' true strengths and personalities.
Carmen Sandiego: Specifically the one *not* from the Netflix series (good as that show is). Her skillset is more suited to infiltration, so much so that you almost never actually see how she commits her crimes, crimes that can get downright ridiculous at times (one of her cronies once stole the entire Roman Forum). In fact, when Carmen is confronted, she spends all her energy into escape as opposed to actually dealing with her pursuers.
Baymax (Disney's Big Hero 6): Put simply, Baymax does not kill; it's literally programmed into him to follow the Hippocratic Oath. Yes, there was that one scene in the movie where Hiro removed that particular program, but in the follow-up series, he replaced Baymax's combat program with a new chip that was less prone to lethality.
Genie (Disney's Alladin): Similar to Baymax: the guy does not kill. In fact, while you could theoretically argue for Baymax's potential to kill, Genie has it hardwired into his very DNA. Consider that when Jafar became a genie, he lamented that he couldn't directly kill Alladin in vengeance and had to take measures that would merely *lead* to his demise.
Korosensei (Assassination Classroom): This is probably my most controversial. Put simply, any fight with Korosensei would be an absolute stomp in his favor, owing to his incredibly specific weaknesses: pellets that are specifically designed to harm him, an adverse reaction to water that might not be as readily available, and you have to hit him in a very specific spot if you want to guarantee a kill.
Korosensei isn’t THAT impressive and hard to kill. He doesn’t even go up to light speed I don’t think
@@Avajsb-rv7gw Speed is actually the least of my concerns (although his stated speed of Mach 20 doesn't help his case, either). It more comes down to how his most exploitable weaknesses are next to impossible for a supposedly unprepared opponent to deal with.
@@fictionfan0Eh, some of his big opponents like Monokuma and Sans have ways around that (transmutation and soul manipulation respectively) so I don’t think he immediately stomps everyone.
I think the main reason Shadow vs Ryuko didn't go all in on Star to Universe Level Sonic scaling is just because Shadow didn't need it to win. They wanted to still make it seem debatable in the analysis so they left out some of the higher scaling to make it less obvious. It wouldn't be the first time they did this and it wasn't the last.
(Also if you need a good Blaze MU, Rivet from Ratchet and Clank is right there)
Could be, similar to what happened in Thor Vs. Vegeta. The reason they didn't give Thor Thorforce against Vegeta was because he didn't need it. Thor could crush Vegeta even harder than what happened in that Death Battle.
I got an idea, Madeline vs Pacifist Frisk, the episode is just them hanging out and being friends and not fighting i dont care if its called death battle, make this like a joke episode where they simply don't fight
The best matchup for both characters I’ve ever seen.
Yeah, just make Pacifist Frisk and Madeline's ending like Deadpool vs Pinkie Pie (Except no fourth wall breaking) and I think things would be fine.
Madeline, Pacifist Frisk and Hat Kid all vibing together would be the best timeline. At that point, it wouldn’t even be a Death Battle anymore, but it would be for the much greater good
yes! and they might as well include other character who don't fight just so no one asks. if they include all kind character who don't fight in battle but make them firends.. everyone should be happy
I'm just imagining Frisk and Madeline hanging out, having fun and eating spider donuts, meanwhile Badeline and Chara are giving each other death stares that say "If you lay a finger on Them, I will erase you and your entire bloodline."
Two characters i absolutely don't wanna see on Death Battle are the following:
Robbie Rotten from Lazytown - This isn't me saying Robbie is a bad character or doesn't fit in Vs, but the main reason i don't wanna see him on Death Battle is because of Stefan Karl's passing. Even if it has been a number of years, just the idea that I'm gonna be a beloved and wonderful man die twice in my lifetime is something i don't think i can handle anytime soon. Imagine being part of Karl's family, and finding out that a character with his likeness was in a popular Vs show where he dies in a horrible manner. You can argue the same thing with Randy Savage, but even in that episode i don't think they handled the death well because it's too reminiscent of how he actually died (a heart attack). Unless there's a way to kill him off without feeling disgusting and distasteful, I don't want him in Death Battle, especially considering his most popular matchup is Waluigi, a character who absolutely stomps Robbie Rotten.
Sunny from Omori - I love Omori, and i do wanna see it on Death Battle but uh... Don't put Sunny in Death Battle.
I've seen good matchups for Sunny, Lucas from Mother 3 being a very good matchup with thematic connections, but it's a mega stomp. Lucas has actual combat experience while Sunny is a malnourished kid who can barely use a knife in a fight. I've heard arguments saying "Well just give Sunny his Headspace powers" *but if you're gonna give Sunny Headspace, just use Omori himself.* Omori himself is viable for Vs and has a wide array of abilities and items to use, but Sunny is just a normal kid, please don't put him on Death Battle.
If we DID get bayonetta on the series again, this is actually a decent idea. Spawn. Sure, it’s an absolute curb stomp, but there could be some cool banter.
I do have a couple of battles they hadn't done yet and I would love to see. That being Jafar vs Maleficent and Banjo-Kazooie vs Yooka-Laylee.
As a DDLC fan I have to agree with you on Monika and death battle. She makes no sense to be on the show.
Even if Monika DID have magical powers as the fans claim she would still lose to Flowy
@@EliRetroVHS642 Yep
OMORI spoilers you have been warned.
Honestly Sunny is basically on the characters I least want to see in Death Battle. Since because I do not want to watch Sunny (a depressed child who basically hallucinate throughout the game from guilt, who commits suicide in a couple endings of the game) get killed or kill someone else in a match up. Since it leaves me with a dark taste in my mouth to have this depressed kid kill someone and potentially gain more guilt or get killed by that opponent.
That is my opinion and belief. I just want this boy to have a happy ending. Thank you for reading.
To everyone who think game sonic isnt at least planet level he outran a blackhole for 30 seconds at the end of colors without super form and still escaped he is faster than literal light also a character thar i would love on death battle is a gungeoneer from enter the gungeon the gungeoneers have oved 300 weapons including stuff like blackhole guns and screen nukes including synergies the possibilities for attacks are endless
I wondering why sonic fans aren't talking about how sonic survived a black hole
@paulwilliams5949 I don't know it's possibilly one of the strongest showing of his speed he still gets caught though and saved by the wisps along with becoming a blackhole with the void wisp from the ds version and that version is cannon along with the wii version
Video suggestion: just like you did with your Death Battle videos, how about your top 10 cartoon crossovers you’d want to see & don’t want to see. Ex, i think id be cool if they did a Gravity Falls & Phineas & Ferb crossover
I like to see that
People say Blaze have Starfire and Rivet in Ratchet and Clank but people say Archie Blaze is a different story
My personal favorite for Archie Blaze is actually Athena from Saint Seiya, but she's probably too unknown in America for Death Battle to use anyway.
@@PauloJrchannel OI PAULO SOU BRASILEIRO
I think the Patapons from Patapon could combat Olimar and the Pikmin, since in that game, you control an army of Patapon (although using drums to the beat of the music)
One problem is the fact that there is a lack of their height listing.
A post on Reddit said that they are apparently the size of a baseball, but there isn’t really a source for that. That, and the fact that the world seems like a normal earth looking tribal world.
Honestly, Madeline Vs Peppino is a pretty bad episode, Madeline didn’t show much ways of fighting (yes I’ve played the game) meanwhile Peppino turned off the f💍cking game, dispersed the sky, pummeled Pizzahead into oblivion, changed the sky back to it’s original color, destroyed pocket dimensions, and even moved the earth to cause a lunar eclipse
(Fun fact: most people (myself included) headcanon them as uncle and niece so… having them fight to me is just weird, , the only way I’d wanna see Madeline is if Death Battle themselves look at the headcanon, approve of it, and put it in an episode where Peppino wins a fight or smth )
I think the only way you can really go about doing Pacifist Frisk in a Death Battle is if it's a complete draw where a third party dies, or if whoever is fighting them dies to -Flowey- something else entirely.
I wouldn't want any characters from the Gamera series in Death Battle, because their most popular and most likely matchups are against Godzilla characters, however it's a foregone conclusion that any Gamera vs Godzilla fight will be a massive stomp in the Godzilla character's favor, unless you're using some of the insanely underpowered variations of Godzilla like Minus One or Shin.
One of my favorite Blaze Matchups is Blaze Vs Rivet from Rift Apart.
Alternate universe versions of the protagonist that differs in life styles to the characters and each other. One is a freedom fighter having to survive on the streets and the other lives a life of royalty. Both end up meeting up with the protagonists and end up having to fight an alternate universe version of the main antagonist. They both have trouble getting close to others and accepting friendship but the main hero and the characters from that verse help break down their barriers.
For the FNaF animatronic one, not only are they not seen doing much, none of them were even programmed to fight, not even Dad-of-the-Decade Glamrock Freddy. There are characters like William in his suits and the possessed animatronics. The animatronics were made to entertain, but were given sentience because of the souls of the dead kids/murderer of said kids. The only reason that they're deadly is because they attack night guards with little to no way to defend themselves besides doors and a mask. There's also the Funtimes. While yeah, they were made to capture and kill kids to harvest remnant (maybe), they can't use any of that in a battle because although deadly to a Joe-Shmoe, not at all deadly to someone like the Ghost Face or the Legion from Dead by Daylight, as they could just shove them over. Even the Glamrocks, because although they are seen doing some pretty neat stuff in their game, they can never use those in a Death Battle. The closest we could get would probably be the Blob/Tangle, as they're big enough and can use their tentacles for some means of attack, but even then they're far too big to even move around quick enough to get away from a powerful attack. Springtrap and his iterations (besides Glitchtrap) also has the disadvantage of being a literal rotten corpse in a suit. There's also the Golden Freddys, because like you said, they can only use 2 things in a battle, but even then they would barely do anything because they're just limp suits that can teleport and put you into an eternal purgatory after you die (in Cassidy's case). None of the animatronics are built for combat.
you should do which death battle match ups was the best or worst. and congrats on getting this far on yt!!
Thank you! And yeah, that could be a neat video.
@@tonysonic456 what do you think of Batman vs Spider-Man it's my favorite episode featuring my two favorite characters battling each other also I completely agree with their verdict
I feel the same about Blaze (she's my favorite female character and yeah, Sonic characters are stronger than people say they are) but one thing that really grinds my gears about the Sonic matchups (both Sonic vs Mario fights and both Shadow fights before Ryuko) is that they severely limit the Super Forms, saying it only lasts about a minute with just 50 rings.
Ignoring how Sonic was able to stay in Super for days in Advance, none of these fights ever have Super Sonic or Super Shadow get any more rings to extend the form like you commonly can do.
Actually, I don't even recall there ever being any rings in any of the battles
The Sonic Advance thing is kind of a very weird outlier that hasn't been explained since. Remember Sonic was *missing* for those days so it's not certain if he actually maintained that form for days or something else had happened to him in the meantime and he got to use his super form again to travel back home and all the super forms every character has canonically used, they've always ran out in only a few minutes both before and after that game in every other appearance. He even gets completely taken out and drained fairly early and easily in the one minute he was in the form by Eggman at the start of Sonic Unleashed, and he struggled to keep being Super Sonic in Sonic Frontiers too after each Titan fight. And collecting Rings has only given the form one full second to stay more active, which against the wrong opponent would be a grave detriment if the characters can't somewhat focus on the battle.
@@yusifudo46 You realize in many of the games, Super Sonic can collect a bunch of rings all at once, like in the Time Eater fight? Why isn't he allowed to do that? He quite literally can get 900 rings and get more as the ring count drains.
And Eggman caught Sonic in a machine specifically designed to take the Emeralds and used them to awaken Dark Gaia. And he didn't struggle to maintain Super after the Titan fights, he was hit by lasers (designed by the Ancients who had machinery to contain the Emeralds).
@@JayRedGear I said exactly all of that. It doesn't change anything I said, and that was Time Eater in a place where clearly he had way more access to rings than normal and time wasn't even a factor. You haven't debunked anything I said.
@@JayRedGear I said exactly all of that. It doesn't change anything I said, and that was Time Eater in a place where clearly he had way more access to rings and time wasn't even a factor. You haven't debunked anything I said
@@yusifudo46 It actually does because 1) in many Super Sonic fights, Sonic can gather more rings at any time and in games like Frontiers, he can have 900 rings, 2) both scenarios of you saying he can't maintain the form are wrong and clearly, you're ignoring context (of both Eggman and the Ancients' weaponry which were designed to contain the Emeralds), something that's not in play in any other fights, most especially in a Death Battle so IDK why you're even mentioning that.
For the BF entry, it would make more sense for pico to be in death battle than him, since he's in a fighting game (newgrounds rumble), and he's freaking loaded.
As for your Monika entry:
The second you brought her up, i was like "god damnit, people seriously hate me." I've long since stopped hating her, but she still takes me off guard when someone mentions the game, i.e yourself and caddicarus.
Update:
Flowey, upon hearing people want Monika to fight him: "hee hee hee... YOU REALLY ARE AN IDIOT."
Oh my god, same.
It's not really a hatred thing for any of the characters (Or the game itself, what I'm about to say may make it sound like that) but I've moved past it, and really, I never want to go back, for my own reasons. Enough to where if the game's brought up I just feel really uncomfortable.
One thing you didn't mention for Olimar: his ship has star level weaponry. So even if you could find someone for Olimar, they better be someone who also has a vehicle that can reach star level.
Also, about Sonic characters, I completely agree, but there *is* hope. I mean, Sonic beat Goku in the Cast, which granted was fan vote, but was done using feats they themselves mentioned, including Void, Solaris and The End. Heck, by the end of it, Chad was even convinced that Sonic would beat Goku. So if they do ever do a Sonic MU again, there is a chance that they could finally do the series justice.
It's likely the Star level Dolphin is false, as Olimar reportedly got the Nova Blaster, the weapon said to blow up stars, from a shady businessman. The "blow up stars" quote came from a dubiously accurate brochure. It's likely just viral marketing Olimar bought into.
Now, Uni+ Dolphin is actually more feasible surprisingly, but that's a whole other thing entirely-
I honestly don't want any of the My Little Pony G5 characters to be in the show mostly because there's not really much to work with for the characters besides Sunny Starscout, Opaline, and maybe Misty and Zipp Storm. (And also because I don't want to see any of them die because I love them too much)
Death Battle should stick with G4 since the characters there have more to work with in a VS.
Lucas from mother 3 I’d cry if I saw him die after loosing his brother,loosing his mother,loosing his dad,loosing his home and loosing his happy life.
While Aang's character was butchered in his show, he technically is willing to kill not of his own volition, but because of the Avatar state. In the finale of season one he wiped out the fire nation army. So even though he himself was a pacifist, he could work in death battle as long as he killed someone in the Avatar state. But outside the Avatar state, he's not willing to kill.
Characters I don't want in Death Battle include Miltank, Watchog, Froslass, and Chansey. Chansey and Froslass because they have Minimize and Double Team respectively in addition to Froslass having Snow Cloak, and Minimize and Double Team should be removed from the game because they're such scummy garbage, Watchog because it's terribly weak but is somehow really annoying to battle (especially since it's everywhere in a Unova playthrough), and Miltank isn't just a nuisance, *IT IS A MENACE TO SOCIETY, AND I DESPISE IT WITH A BURNING PASSION.* I would happily enjoy getting revenge on Miltank by eating it and drinking its milk to ensure it dies and to bring justice to those who have suffered its Rollout-Attract-Stomp-Milk Drink wrath.
Wouldn’t that just be like a regular pokemon battle you’d play in a Nuzlocke?
You do make a good point with Frisk. I never thought about the potential character assaination. However, i do have 2 ways it could work.
1. It's a tie. Frisk can't die by their opponents hand, but they refuse to kill their opponent. Frisk is still willing to fight. Like with Omega Flowey, but not land a killing blow.
2. Frisk accidentally kills their opponent, so resets and stops the fight before it happens.
That second option might work, but it’s unlikely that it’d happen.
@tonysonic456 I have always seen that determination in Undertale is a two-sided thing like yin and yang depending on what the goal is.
Since the determination to save everyone, including Asriel, was so high that Frisk kept up with the God of Hyperdeath form, what makes it so that Genocide Frisk doesn't have the same amount of determination in the opposite direction?
Chara destroys reality to point that there is no save point left to go back to through determination alone, so there is some precedent for Death Battle to go that route.
Ultimately, I still agree with you Frisk really should not be used without really planning things out, if at all. I was just wondering since my understanding of determination is that you get the same amount of power, just pointed at whatever goal you are looking for.
One of my personal least wanted character for death battle is Paper Mario because his only matches are either a stomp in his favour or his opponents favour.
14:43 im pretty sure that they are trying to make an episode where springtrap fights that one chick from danken rampa
"Danganronpa", and yes, I know about Springtrap vs Junko. Unfortunately, that matchup is stupidly popular for way too many reasons, and if it does happen, I will be there to see Junko die horribly.
@@tonysonic456I'm going to be honest I want this fight to happen purely because I want to see a giant springtrap made out of those bear things
The danger of talking about a character, someone doesn't want to come to Death Battle, is the possibility of a troll, reading this, and randomly deciding to make it their life mission to come up with a matchup for that character, and push it enough into popularity, that it becomes an episode.
So, no. I'll never talk about that one character, in all of fiction, for whom I have nothing but hatred and disgust left.
Who's that character? I swear that if you tell me yours I will tell you mine.
Sorry, but no.🤐
@@amigomorton5193 Oh come on, you are being a pessimist.
Honestly I kind of agree with the takes, however I should clarify something regarding the Blaze thing (And DB's thoughts:
20:45 So regarding DB having Shadow (and basically the rest of the cast that directly scale to the Emeralds). It's mentioned in the side-bars and their official research blogs (also a DBC Episode, I think it was Chaos Vs Kryogre iirc) that they do buy the Uni - Multi stuff for Sonic.
The thing is that like in a lot of Death Battle, in order to keep it somewhat entertaining (i.e to make the audience guess who would win by keeping the stats vague or sometimes "low-balling" a character in the episode) they have to use a more conservative end feat for the casual audience who might not understand, and to basically serve as a simple "Even if we don't buy the Uni - Multi feats, the cast would still win with this more conservistive end". (They did the same thing with Dragonborn and The Doctor, so it's not the only one).
Theres also the fact they are constantly improving their research overtime and more willing to buy various stuff that didn't before, so you can't be too hard on them - as they've constantly buffed verses MANY times. So if anything it's a possibility that they could redeem Sonic scaling.
Personally speaking I'm fine with it since I like reading the side-bars and suppilmentry stuff in their blogs since I'm aware that they can't go over everything, but at the same time it is kind of annoying but nyeh.
Regardless if you were curious on a Blaze MU that personally enjoy, is pretty fair, and really interesting. I recommend Rivet (Ratchet and Clank). Otherwise Pogfrog Video!
I appreciate the explanation, but I don’t think I understand their mindset. Death Battle has placed more than a few characters on the universal to multiversal scale before. Goku, Superman, Scarlet Witch, Zatanna, motherfucking SPONGEBOB-they let these characters be as powerful as they are; so why not the Sonic cast? Because if they were truly following their “conservative” approach, then none of the characters I mentioned would be that high on the power scale.
Hate to play Devil's advocate, but I can see someone suggesting for Frisk that they pull a Dimitri. In Guts vs Dimitri, they gave Dimitri's best feat by using alternate timelins shenanigans, where they said in Edelgard route, she defeated Rhea, and since Dimitri can defeat Edelgard in his route, he can likely do the same. Pretty sure die hard Frisk Fans would suggest they do the same thing, where they say since Pacifist Frisk can do all that stuff, it is likely that Genocide is stronger since Pacifist is technically Frisk at their "Weakest" and can pull the same stuff. People can also suggest they still be able to do the moves like Hope and Dream since she got them through Determination, something Genocide Frisk also has. However, this all is to play devil's advocate. I am pretty sure Genocide can't scale to Pacifist and gain the abilities they do as well. There also could be other things that can argued, but IDK enough about Undertale to have a full say. While I don't mind if Frisk were to join, I agree they should stay away from Death Battle. Heck, my favorite fight for Ness is actually Ness vs Silver.
Here is something I find pretty funny about the Number 2 entry
I have heard of Madeline & Badeline VS The Ice Climbers.
Which I find to be pretty hilarious
Ice Climbers? Two Eskimos with no character to speak of and the only connection is that they both climb a snowy mountain? Really?
@@tonysonic456 y u p
Y u p
40:41 Y'know, if you're gonna use genocide frisk, you might as well use Chara
i know im late but hear me out olimar vs bugs life
Pretty interesting list. I 100% agree with Rebecca being on the list, and honestly you could add Barry Burton on there too since what you said about her could also apply to him.
As a huge DDLC fan, The whole (Monika escapes) theory is wrong
Its literally said in the game that Monika can never escape the game.. EVER she is forever trapped in the game
If she ever did it would retcon what we've learned and I hate retcons unless Dan found a way to properly think it out and even then its.. You get what I'm saying
I can see why you and others would be opposed to seeing Smaug on Death Battle and that's fair, but personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him on the show so long as he's put against the right opponent. Like I personally like the idea him going against Fatalis from Monster Hunter thanks to their thematic connections and the idea of a good old fashion fire breathing Dragon fight even if the fight dynamic is a touch basic. Granted, I do see that deciding how the fight would play out and end could be tricky if the different subspecies are used in Fatalis's stead, but at least it's a better matchup than putting Smaug against Fin Fang Foom or Deathwing (seriously, how the hell did I think those were good matchups as a kid?)
While there are a couple characters I could think of as ones I flat out don't want to see on Death battle, there's also a few characters that leave me conflicted, where I would LOVE to see on Death Battle because I like them as characters... but also I kinda don't want to see on the show if only because I think literally all their matchups SUCK (or more accurately I just don't like). The biggest offenders in that camp for me being Ridley, Mothra and Godzilla; characters I really love and would love to see on Death Battle, but not with the vast majority of their matchups, including their most popular ones (except for OG Godzilla vs Gamera, I love that episode despite not needing a rematch)
Saying that, if there is one character that I could say I absolutely DON'T WANT to see covered on Death Battle, hot take, is SCP 682. Out of all the characters you could argue shouldn't belong on Death Battle because their uber-powerful abilities wouldn't clash well in versus settings (Superman and Saitama use to be one of the big ones back in the day), I personally think 682 is the biggest offender of that. Where his powers and plot manipulation hacks are such bullshit that trying to discuss them in a versus context isn't fun or interesting, and that nearly all their matchups are either ill-fitting, or are just boring with how one-sided or stalematey they are. I'm fine with cartoon characters being somewhat similarly bullshit with their zany powers and fourth-wall breaking antics, but at least they sometimes have in-universe weaknesses that could theoretically be countered, or at the very least are just always fun to watch and hear about. With 682's slightly more serious tone and completely unbeatable nature, I just think it stops being fun or interesting when trying to put him in versus.
That's just me though, maybe there is more cleverness and nuance to some 682 matchups that I just don't see, and I know full well a ton of people still wanna see him on Death Battle, and that's ok.
No way people GENUINELY want Boyfriend from FNF in Death Battle. That makes the least sense I have ever heard.
I personally do not want any TADC characters on the show, at least not now. The only one with any really applicable stuff is Caine, but we barely know anything about him.
I don’t think it has been ever stated by the DB crew but I’d assume since Makima is technically the newest debut character used in DB where the manga she first appeared in was in 2018 and her episode in 2023 with at least 5 years worth of material needed for analysis. I believe they only time they’ve used freshly debut characters was Tracer from Overwatch back in 2016 where she only had a few months worth of materials at the time for tracer vs scout
4:37 what about the kids from Grounded?
I don’t know anything about them.
The only way I'd see the og FNAF 1 animatronics working in a Death Battle is with the one matchup against Luigi. I could imagine it not being a battle but more of if Luigi could survive or not. (Which he obviously would)
Also if Springtrap ever got on Death Battle, I'd want him to go up against the Ink Demon from BATIM.
@@him7829 The Ink Demon only works because “villains of mascot horror games”. That’s it. They have no connections outside of that, and furthermore, the Ink Demon would SLAUGHTER Springtrap. It’s not fair in the slightest.
Couldn't they just composite all three routes for Frisk? They've done that before with mixing Z and Super for Broly as if they were the same character. Although doing this would go into the discussion of when is it okay for Death Battle to composite, which I know some people have issues with, so I can understand if you're not comfortable with that option either.
Either way, the one character I do not want in Death Battle is without a doubt the Iron Giant, for a lot of the same reasons you gave for Madeline. The whole point of the Iron Giant movie is that he was created to be a destructive weapon, but he does not want to be that and fights against his own programming. This means that the Iron Giant just using any of his actual weapons, like his lasers or explosions, would be going against his character, since he specifically fights against said weapons in the movie, and any moment he uses them is portrayed as something horrific.
The only way to have the Iron Giant fight without breaking his character would be him just fight without his weapons, by just using his body and staying mostly defensive (this is kind of what they do in the MultiVersus video game, where you have the option to play like that and the weapons are all optional), but this wouldn't work on Death Battle, because the whole point of the show is putting the characters at their strongest, and the Iron giant's strongest attacks come from said weapons that he refuses to use, so they wouldn't be able to ignore the Iron Giant's strongest attacks just for the sake of keeping him in character.
The choices here are either ignore most of the Giant's arsenal and his strongest attacks, or have him be explicitly out of character just for the sake of giving him his strongest attacks available. I'm not fund of either option, which is why despite at least one of his matches having good connections (Iron Giant vs Stitch is legitimately not bad connections wise), I'd still rather the Iron Giant not be used.
Can someone tell me the name of the music playing over the number 6 segment?
@@thereviewranger4187 Scrap Yard Megaladon from FNAF Security Breach.
@tonysonic456 thanks.
One character that I don't want to see on Death Battle that wasn't mentioned is any Soul Calibur characters, mainly because on rewatch it really seemed like they don't care about Soul Calibur, especially since they haven't had representation since Season 2 where they had two episodes.
Also, been scrolling through the comments and I'm intrigued by all of the people talking about how they don't like the rematch between Mario and Sonic, which is funny because I am (hopefully soon) gonna be done editing a video about my favorites Death Battles and I chose not to include the episode due to it being a rematch where they don't even acknowledge the original episode.
I came here just to ask about Bowser vs Eggman. Eggman lost, yet universal feats were mentioned on both sides. How do you feel about that episode?
@@Megaman-wg3bf Aside from the outcome, I think the episode was fantastic.
@@tonysonic456 Thanks for responding!
1. No gaggy toon force characters
2. No More Superman
3. No More Goku
So, Bugs Bunny vs. Mickey Mouse is off the table?
This is funny seeing what their first matchup will be.
i think goku beats superman
i agree with this.. if they're gonna force superman to win.. there's no point
@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866 Goku cannot beat the strongests Supermans. He can beat some, but not all of them.
@@toumabyakuya just take goku from dbs (and add his db and dbz stuff) and add whatever version of superman that came out the same year (bonus points if it was froma show) i normally would not care if my character loses... but the reason i want goku to win is cause everyone keeps making look weaker then he is and also him beating superman is payback...oh and i also think goku overall is a better character.. have nothing against superman.. also i will always vote against him
Honestly the only matchup for frisk and Madeline that kinda works for me is inverted fate frisk and chara vs Madeline and badaline but even then that’s using a fan made version of the characters and still misses the point of Madeline’s growth. (Inverted fate is really good though.) p.s. forgot to mention but good video.
These are good points and I agree with most of them, but the only one I disagree with is the blaze one. I just don’t think DB having scaling you think is objectively wrong is not a good reason to not have them on the show. Still I respect your opinion and your list is still good and valid
The thing is, the people who lowball Sonic characters do so with the intent of them losing. After Amy vs Ramona, any Sonic character that isn’t from the Archie comics ends up losing because their faulty research. Metal Sonic, Shadow(in Shadow vs Mewtwo), and Sonic all had the ability to win their episodes, but because of the inherent bias against Sonic in the versus community, they all lost.
@tonysonic456 I think Mewtwo beats shadow mainly because I think Mewtwo is stronger and his hax are crazy shadow is high uni in his base form tho and super shadow is multiversal or higher
Mega disagree with the Frisk take considering soulless pacifist exists and how geno frisk and pacifrisk are literally the same person and so their maximum potential is the same (geno frisk should actually be above pacifrisk due to them getting stronger the whole route) pacifrisk actually fought someone that made them lock tf in whilst the closest geno frisk got was fighting sans (debatably the hardest fight in the game but only because he’s cheating the whole fight not because he’s actually strong, he’s literally stated to be the weakest enemy)
Soulless Frisk doesn’t count because nothing changes for Frisk the world resets as if you just completed the pacifist route, meaning Frisk doesn’t remember doing the Genocide route. Plus, Soulless Frisk is still at their best during the Pacisfist route. Being Level 20 during the Genocide route doesn’t mean much since in the world of Undertale, levels don’t make you stronger. You just hold back less and less, and to say that Sans is anywhere NEAR the level of Asriel or even Omega Flowey is a crazy overestimation of Sans as a fighter.
@@tonysonic456 I never said Sans was near the level of Omega Flowey or Asriel. what I said was that he debatably has the hardest fight in the game. that is not because of his actual strength that is because he cheats thus making the fight take longer, he is stated to be the weakest enemy in the game.
@@helton1812 Maybe the hardest fight from a gameplay sense, but I examined Frisk from a story perspective with sprinkles of gameplay mixed in.
@@tonysonic456 whether or not Frisk remembers doing the Geno route doesn't matter it still proves they have the same maximum potential regardless if they were aware of it.
@@helton1812 Dude, the Genocide route was not their maximum potential. I said that enough already. Frisk is at their best as a pacifist, and that just wouldn’t work for them in a Death Battle episode because they’d be forced to go against that mindset and kill someone.
I would argue that you made stronger arguments for Madeline being number one than Frisk. I would also argue that Genocide Frisk is at least more powerful than Neutral. However, then Frisk faces a problem similar to the animatronics where the two most powerful versions of a character that are completely incompatible and can't be composited in any reasonable way(There is no way Frisk could simultaneously be filled with enough desire to help people to nullify the power of a reality-warping deity AND enough hatred to turn into One Punch Man)
Neutral Frisk stood their ground against Omega Flowey who's much stronger than anyone Geno Frisk fought. Also, Frisk comes from my favorite game of all time which part of the reason why they made number 1.
21:59
What about Blaze Vs Rivet?
So many people have brought that up. It's fine.
Right from the start, you pull out a character I have complicated opinions on for Death Battle.
Honestly, I want Olimar in Death Battle and to have him scaled to his smash height, not because of making a match compatible… But just to get an idea of how tough he and the Pikmin actually are without their height getting in the way. Mass and relative size are everything in physics. Remember in Pikmin 4 where 100 purples lifted a bar of gold or how Olimar survives getting crushed from above by boulders on the regular? From the perspective of our size, it’s a joke. But from his size?
It may not be super faithful to his series, but I think Olimar deserves some proper justice in VS debate circles. If that means ignoring a canon handicap and doing 9 Starbucks trips worth of math to figure out the proper scaling needed to make an OG Goku vs Superman “Gravity Formula”? Then I say it’s worth it to let the guy shine.
As for characters I personally don’t want to see? Definitely Rosalina from Super Mario.
Rosalina has kind of the opposite problem you have with Blaze. She is often hyped up by fanboys as this universe level cosmic goddess (mainly due to Galaxy’s ending). However…
A.) That was The LUMAS. Not her.
B.) She has never displayed anything else close to this level of supposed power.
and C.) Galaxy’s ending as a whole felt like an abstract clusterfuck to me. Regardless of how Death Battle’s analytics team decide to interpret it, SOMEONE is going to get pissed off.
I think the case with Rosalina is that she herself is the guardian of the Lumas and therefore can be scaled to them and she survived the universal reset explosion.
Changing his size for the sake of scale is, in my opinion, defeating the purpose of having Pikmin on the show to begin with.
@@hownot2junk803
That’s cool, I can respect that. But I still think it would be cool to figure out just how powerful they are from THEIR perspective as opposed to OURS. Y’know?
What did you think about Nemesis' video about the same topic?
He was actually a major inspiration for this video.
One character I'm Really Conflicted on for being on Death battle is Toriko. On one hand, he's got plenty of Fun matchups to work with, and obviously has plenty of Combat Feats that a Typical Shonen Protagonist would have...However, he wouldn't work in a Situation where he has to fight someone to the Death because of his Strict Moral code as a Gourmet Hunter, that being Never killing something he doesn't Eat. So it would be Way out of character for him to Kill someone in a fight.
Now there are Other characters from Toriko that could work on Death Battle, like Zebra or Starjun, but Toriko himself wouldn't work because of his Morals.
There's 2 characters I don't in Death Battle because it would be out of character for them to fight and those characters are Paddington Bear and Winne The Pooh
Do they even have combat feats?
@@novarevenant3908 No they don't but I know there's at least a few people out there that be stupid enough to think that'd be a good idea. I've been on the internet way to long to know that is true.
It would be unfairly one sided anyway since while Pooh is a teddy bear, Paddington is a real bear in his universe. Pooh would easily be torn to fabric and stuffing in Paddington wasn't such a pacifist. If Pooh had to be in Death Battle, someone like Corduroy would be a more fair opponent.
The first rule of 'no returning character' is based of you because imo. I just don't see the point in them being brought back again if they won their fight with a previous character only for them to go against another character
@@Jojo-be5im I mean, if it’s been a while, the character has another interesting matchup, and they’ve gotten some new stuff since then, I think there’s nothing wrong with bringing back a character.
Cool Video Bro.
By the end of this, I'm not even feeling any disappointment or pleasure over the takes about the picks, just absolutely flabbergasted that Sans isn't the strongest undertale character and Monika has barely any actual powers. I'm so used to seeing the pop culture/fandom perceptions of those characters that went against that and you just disproved them while making it seem so obvious, the dissonance i had was just insane
I'm not going to lie I would honestly like to see Lilac vs either Spark The Electric Jester or Blaze The Cat
While I'd have to say that Smaug is definitely more powerful than you gave him credit for, id still agree that he's still quite weak among dragons.
That's kind of fitting. In lore, Smaug is considered BY FAR the weakest dragon to ever live in middle-earth. There are one or two dragons I think he would beat in a death battle, like Drogon, but yeah, in terms of ALL dragons in media, Smaug's a weakling. Not the weakest, but no where near the strongest
Now if you want a dragon from middle-earth that IS ridiculously powerful, go with Ancalagon The Black. He was so large that he completely blotted out the sun across continents and destroyed entire mountain ranges by landing atop them.
As a serious Ben 10 fan, I am apprehensive about them adding Ben Tennyson to another Death Battle because of how terribly they handled him in Ben 10 vs Green Lantern. If he shows up again, and they handle him well, I would really enjoy it.
Cool video! I think all the points you made make sense. Like most of them just aren't fighters. Like Monika and Madeline
I'm curious about what you think about Blaze vs. Rivet? I didn't like any Blaze matchup until that one, and it's one of my most wanted.
@@plimepf9493 A ton of people have brought that one up, and I just think it’s fine. Connections are solid, but my main issue with having Blaze on the show is how they’d handle her. The lack of interesting matchups is a footnote.
@tonysonic456 that makes sense. For me, I'm not really someone who is dedicated to the debate or how a character is scaled. It's more so how they interact and how well they are portrayed. I think bad characters can get good episodes, and good characters can get bad ones. But I do agree with a lot of this list in terms of versus debating. Monika doesn't do anything, frisk can't die, really, ect. I just happen to like 1 matchup regardless of the negatives the character brings.
I’ve only got a couple of options for characters I don’t want in Death Battle, and one of them is a Joke version of a character, and the other is a group of characters altogether
1: Ultra-Instinct Shaggy
To put it simply, this was a joke that everyone took way too far, Shaggy was brave for a few scenes in Scooby-Doo and all of a sudden everyone went nuts, fan made fight animations were made with him being above god level of power, with everyone overestimating him like nobody’s business to the point of people demanding he be the next Guest character in Mortal Kombat 11 when it first came out
2: literally any Dreamworks movie villain
Name any Dreamworks villain and it’s likely they don’t have enough media outside of one movie to pull feats from, Titan, Chantele Dubois, Dave the Octopus, Dwayne the Exterminator, Prince Charming, Lord Farquaad, Fairy Godmother, Rumplestiltskin, The Red Death, Drago Bludvist, Grimmel the Grisly, General Kai, Lord Shen, Tai Lung, Big Jack Horner, Death, some of those have a decent number of fight scenes, and some clips of them doing evil stuff, especially so for the Kung Fu Panda Villains and Death, (enough that you could _maaaybe_ get away with it) but compared to some of the characters that they get paired up with for matchups, they’re awesome in theory, but kind of a mess when you actually start to look into it as a VS debate, they only have a few feats to talk about due to being in only one movie and then that’s it after that, not to mention some of the characters they get put up against are ridiculous, like Death’s most popular opponent is Rattlesnake Jake from Rango, who not only has the same problem as Dreamworks villains, but it’s a snake Vs a wolf, and a supernatural wolf at that, first problem is the size difference, Death is going to ultimately tower over any character in Rango, but also Death is a supernatural being who can walk through energy barriers that would normaly obliterate anyone it touches, Jake on the other hand is a normal rattlesnake with a Gatling gun. Honestly you’d ultimately only get their maximum potential through scaling a whole bunch of times. Really, Death and Tai Lung are treated more as memes in Vs debating, and not an awful lot of them stand out enough to be extremely memorable, or have any noticeable matchups, which kinda sucks because I love Dreamworks movies, hell, How to Train Your Dragon is not only my favourite Dreamworks franchise, it’s also my favourite movie/franchise… like, in general. And yet how many of the villains would you consider making a hype Death Battle matchup for? Probably none of them.
Tbf Rebecca Chambers does a lot more stuff in the books and she was also in a few Resident Evil movies so I get why a lot of people want to see her in Death Battle.
Heavily agree with FNAF and Madeline though. I don't wanna see Madeline on Death Battle. But the one thing I will say is that if you did take Badeline into account then Madeline does have a lot of combat potential. Lasers, teleporting, telekinesis, giant tentacles, flight, and probably a couple of other things. Now I still don't want to see her in Death Battle but I can understand why others do.
I never read the books or saw most of the movies outside of Welcome to Raccoon City.
@@tonysonic456 Oh yeah I know I'm just letting you know that that's why Rebecca is pretty popular in matchups.
I heard the flowey vs Monika death battle what if music by Brandon yates and i liked it but I also thought when listening this wouldn't even be contest. Flowey would destroy her because with that power he became a god and could kill us 10 thousand times. monkia can just change some files around and she can't really even do that great less she risks fucking up the whole game
Honestly I think there is maybe 1 or two games that can fit olimar for a death battle… first, a smaller game called Bug Fables with the main team Team Snakemouth… which are bugs the size of bugs, so perfect and it is set after a apocalypse (but way after…. Do like humanity is gone but their stuff is still there so you have some of that, and also allow Bugs to Mutate and became intelligent enough to have civilization) and they can have a whole team with Leif using ice magic Vi her Beearang and Kabbu their horn vs Olimar and the Pikmin in a all out battle or maybe a single charater like maybe Olimar be Kabbu, the (maybe) other game is Hallow Knight with the vessel since of the bug theme. (Will watch the rest of the video and if I get any more ideas or even any I have after the video that don’t appear I will comment them in this comment’s comment section)
The Monica vs Flowey idea is literally a Coughing Baby vs Nuclear Bomb senario, a 18 year old girl who just learned about the 4th wall and code so don’t know much about it vs a flower who was brought back from death by a experiment who tried to die again but when they did they realized they had control of time so experimented who know how many times, gaining knowage of the game (and possibly the 4th wall… possibly could be wrong tho…) to the point to when the 7th human fell they can tell if we reset to spare Toriel after killing her and just taunts us for it, to having a form to where we need the other 6 humans souls help to even beat… yeah she had no chance against him…
Oh, i forgot to mention, is Genocide Frisk really the weakest? Because they one-shot everyone with the exception of Undyne the Undying because she's just built different, and Sans semi-canonically gave them a hard time due to the accumulated Karma and he can dodge for some reason. Side note, have you played Xenoblade Chronicles? Because I think I'm starting to adapt to it without Casual Mode.
They may one-shot everything around them, but said everything doesn't hold a candle to Omega Flowey or Asriel. At their best, Frisk is a literal god by virtue of their pacifism. Also, I did play a tiny bit of Xenoblade 1 but dropped it shortly afterwards.
@@tonysonic456 for what I’ve understood, wasn’t it Chara at the end of the genocide route the one that kills everyone with a single shot?
@@JoshioE110 Yes. Chara was the one to obliterate the entire universe and everyone in it.
@@tonysonic456so wouldn’t Chara be a better choice than Genocide Frisk? Or is there a few problems with that?
@@JoshioE110 Chara would easily be a better choice than Genocide Frisk. In fact, Genocide Frisk would probably work best as scaling for Chara rather than a standalone combatant.
okay but Freddy Fazbear vs Frankenstein's Monster is peak matchup
Any of the meme characters like ugondon knuckles and more should not be used in death battle especially since ive seen people say that ugondon knuckles would wipe the floor with cell from dbz even though UGONDON KNUCKLES HAS NO STATS ITS JUST A MEME
Olimar: Yeah. Agreed. This...doesn't work.
Viola: That's more a "not now" summary than a total "should never happen", but essentially agreed. Give her a game or two more to see if she falls off.
Rebecca Chambers: Yeah, this is complete...who? 8 is pretty low for this.
Smaug: A dragon v dragon fight would be cool. Smaug vs. Rathalos would work (and Smaug probably even wins that fight), but that's about it as far as a dragon fight with Smaug making sense goes.
FNAF Animatronics: I could have seen them doing Golden Freddy vs. Bendy 4-5 years ago, but now I think FNAF's moment is passed.
Blaze: I think Blaze vs. Starfire probably is the match, if it happens at all. I don't think Blaze is the next Sonic fight, though. Next Sonic fight is, probably, Rouge vs. Sly.
Boyfriend: Boyfriend vs. Parappa would at least be fun, even if Boyfriend DEFINITELY loses.
Monika: Would get stomped by the Junko AI (which would be a fun match), from Danganronpa 2, let alone FLOWEY.
Madeline: Hat Kid would stomp, and the logic is shaky. Peppino would also stomp, and...c'mon: Peppino vs. Wario.
Frisk: Yeah. Just...no.
I don't necessarily have characters I definitely don't want, but I have one match-up that I think SUCKS.
Kylo Ren vs. Edelgard (I would not be opposed to either of these on the show, just...not against each other. For Kylo? Masayoshi Shido. For Edelgard? Mandy, from The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.)
There are two characters I don't want in death battle, and those are villager and issabelle from animal crossing, the reason why I don't want them in death battle is because they basically have no fighting prowess at all (an no smash bros doesn't count). And because of this they would get killed almost immediately if there are any matchups with other characters, and this is the reason why I don't want these characters in death battle. And I'm excited for the 358/2 days everything right and wrong with, and 358/2 days along with Re:coded are my favorite ds games.
I just thought of a fnaf death battle Jack the ripper(the fate version) vs the glamerock Animatronics
29:18 I wonder whatever happened to Natsuki after that???
Most people agree that Monika deleted her.
@@DallasReimer ....its in the game. Its in the fucking game. She was deleted, what was the point of this comment?
Hey Tony what do you think of both the Idea of asgore vs king andrias and flowey vs giygas as undertale matchups
I don’t know who King Adrias is.
He from amphibia and it one of the most wanted matchup in death battle (and what about flowery Vs giygas)
@@infinitemaster85 I don't know how to feel about either matchup. I guess they're fine?
Baxter VS Artix is a better overall matchup than what Boyfriend and Monica have.
someone im not sure how the heck they would do is isaac from the binding of isaac, all of his feats are him allusinating due oxygen deprivation
zamn i got a heart epic
One problem I feel with using FNAF robots is that they are essentially like 21st century versions of a ghostly suit of armor possessed by spirits. As far as abilities go, while they might be really threatening in their own universe against most other characters they would not fare very well. Like most fictional characters can probably just beat up what is essentially a haunted robot. The reason Freddy is such a threat in the games is because the protags are usually normal people or children who don't know how to fight and are acting on survival instinct and quick wit.
However while writing this comment I realized there could be one very obscure character that might be a good match up against some versions of the FNAF characters: Gorl, Knight of Jalis from Deltora Quest. Thematically, it makes somewhat sense because it's the classic "Ghostly Knight Armor" vs modern "Possessed animatronic suit" While I am not too much of an expert in terms of power-scaling, I feel their powers are also very close with maybe a slight edge to Freddy, depending on which Freddy is being used. However even with this match up the major problem remains that there is barely anything to work with for BOTH characters here.
I don't think they don't buy uni sonic, it's just ryuko doesn't deserve to be fed to uni shadow, so lowballing is fine for me.
They said in trunks silver that silver did experience 06, and did put solaris at the level they should be.
Yeah, but they still didn’t give Sonic the proper feats in his episode, and in Silver’s case, they were using the Archie comic version which is a lot more overtly overpowered. They couldn’t pick and choose which feats to use without it being obvious in that case.
@@tonysonic456 Yeah, they ain't gonna use a Hedgehog for a bit luckily. Shadow vs ryuko shown improvement at least.
Rebecca wouldn’t be good in a death battle because she a healer type, or something that find cures for virus. She is different from the character because her way of fighting is making viruses useless, for example, I think she created a vaccine for the t-virus.