Top Ten Characters I Don’t Want in DEATH BATTLE!
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Every fan of Death Battle talks about who they want on the show and who they want them to fight, but rarely do you see anyone talk about who they DON’T want on the show. I’m not saying they don’t have anyone they don’t want, but it’s still not a popular talking point. Well today, I’m going to go against the crowd and discuss the ten characters I hope never be on the show. This video isn’t going to start any arguments. Not at all.
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RUclips thought they could keep me from getting this video uploaded, but they underestimated my resolve! Anyways, which characters do you not want on Death Battle?
I don't want any of the Dokis to be in death battle
Sayori's too innocent to be in it and I just don't want to see the girls get hurt and die I already had enough trama from Sayori's death from the game
I also don't want Patrick or Squidward on deathbattle or Mr Krabs as well
pretty much any Deltarune character. the game is only 2/7 done and I can NOT handle watching one of them get stomped. once the game is fully out (or at least until chapter 5 comes out) then think it would actually be fair to have them on
Any character from Garfield
Any character from the Loud House
Ayano Aishi from Yandere Simulator
Eustace Bagge from Courage the Cowardly Dog (I know he's versus viable but I'm just not a fan of him being on the show as a fighter)
The Iron Giant
Any character from the Annoying Orange
Any character from the Amazing Digital Circus
OG Sonic.EXE
Pibby
Captain Viridian from VVVVVV… all he can do is flip and die over and over
I'm going to skip number nine because I do want to play Bayonetta and I want to see if she's really annoying
"B-but... Boyfriend has the power to reset time... That's why he always wins against his opponents-"
No, he didn't. This isn't Undertale, neighbor.
Yeah that is not UNDERTALE man, fight club already did that and all of those episodes are pretty mid (literally not 'cause of the characters losing i don't care about Sans losing) man i literally love the game
And mods aren't canon and thus shouldn't be considered on the show.
And you use that argument for any games that has retry. Because that by that logic they will have to that solid snake can comeback from death because you retry the mission
Frisk, The chosen undead and Doctor Who (and other characters that I'm either forgetting or I don't know them) has a canonical reincarnation some kinda. Boyfriend's "reset" is just a normal retry since nobody acknowledges it
Regarding whether Olimar can work or not, it's actually been done well before on another vs show. Smash Bracket had him fight Piranha Plant of all things, and the final result was way cooler than anyone would expect. Plant is similar enough to a Pikmin boss fight to the point where they mesh well thematically.
True, but he was still way too small to ever win against Piranha Plant.
@@tonysonic456it was still an epic animation
Papa Smurf do be the perfect matchup. The size issue is basically nonexistant there.
@@leirbag1595but can Papa Smurf even fight?
@jacobrocks7724 Throughout all the media i've seen, i've never seen him once for a punch.He may be a skilled With magic Combat not so much
BF from FNF, he's just a rapper with a demon for a girlfriend who's only option is rap battles,want to put him in a fight to the death, that's absurd, Monika is 10x worse, she's just a teenage high school girl what use would she be against even the weakest characters in Death Battle
Edit: I agree with number 2 most definitely
Bro spitting bars and facts.
Monika is very finicky cause it completely depends on where the fight takes place. If its her world then she steamrolls cause she can just go “haha me do funny delete” but she gets stomped literally anywhere and everywhere outside of her world.
@@rewritefan123well…except Kumagawa. And Alien X. and any character that can rewrite her story to remove her abilities.
A character I don't really think that should be on death battle is Niko from Oneshot. ...This is a child who is just trying to find her way home and also doesn't engage in any combat in their home game. And much like Madeline, her being forced to murder someone or be killed herself is really unsettling considering she's only like 8. Yes there are characters that age who are also wanted like the Powerpuff Girls but they are literal superheroes with a wide array of feats and abilities. Niko has scaling to low multi thanks to the sun but that's all she has. And the only opponent I've seen for them is Frisk and the point of them not wanting to kill you brought up actually makes this worse 💀.
Just let the cat eat pancakes with her mom oml
The stuff with BF- I'd say maybe wait until the full game comes out, the devs did say that they wanted to do a combat system and fully animated cutscenes so we might have feats for him there
I do think it would be funny if Frisk VS Niko took the Scooby Doo VS Courage approach where they aren't fighting to the death, but rather do silly acts to get to know each other. It could be a very unique """""fight""""" and could be seen as playful. *(tho the death would be really tuff to pull out)*
Wait Niko is a girl? Uh you learn something everyday.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 goes by any pronouns
@@Parris807 Makes sense.
You say your number 1 is the most controversial but I see it as probably the most reasonable one to not be included. Your takes are genuinely incredible and I really think you could add even more you don't want to see. I can't wait to see what else you make!
20:05 Glad to see Emerl get a mention! He’s my all time favorite Sonic character and the most underrated in my opinion.
If Emerl were to be in Death Battle, they would have to include all the skills and abilities copied from the roster of Sonic Battle. He also would have to be scaled to other characters (Sonic outrunning a black hole for 30 seconds, Knuckles punching the ground and causing a volcanic explosion, Shadow using Chaos Control to teleport the Black Comet to space, Amy throwing her Piko Piko Hammer at Eggman’s ship twice and Perfect Chaos destroying the Egg Carrier with a single laser breath) not to mention the Final Egg Blaster destroying a cluster of stars. While it is true it wasn’t Emerl’s doing, he was planning to use on the Earth when he went haywire.
28:38 THANK YOU! I had countless discussions with many fans about why Monika isn't a valid candidate for DB. Also thanks for referencing the Game theory episode that got millions of people confused about Monika's abilities(though Matpat's editors didn't help either). Yes she was able to "possess" someone but what people tend to forget is that was a 1 in a 1,000,000 chance of happening, she was just lucky and another thing fans tend to forget is that MONIKA DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO FIGHT!
And no hacking the files the way Monika does isn't considered fighting because with her expertise it be as saying hitting someone with a water pistol is considered gunmanship.
Long story short Monika is just a program who saw her other program friends being tortured in another simulation and wants you(the player) to free them. Nothing more, nothing less.
I remember a fight between her and Yandere-chan from Yandere Simulator. The only similarity between them is that they're yandere. That's it.
@@summersensation9244 That's lame, why do DDLC fans think Monica can fight?
To the creators of Death Battle: DO NOT USE CREAM THE RABBIT! She might have some moments of fighting, but she will avoid fighting unless absolutely necessary (just look at the episode of Sonic X when she and Cheese fought Emerl)
The only MU they could possibly do with Cream is against Fluttershy and I would consider that as a joke episode.
I may be poking the bear with this one, but the only way I could see having Madeline on death battle is if they do a Scooby vs Courage and have neither her or her opponent die but that would require a character from another series who would deserve it to begin with, and a few other factors idk.
Same can be said for Pacifist Frisk. The Action could be their Act commands that could lead to silly moments. Much like Scooby VS Courage's Thumbwar.
So Frisk vs Madeline is the only option.
Actually, I could see that becoming a really weird anti-Death Battle, where external forces try to make them fight but they just repeatedly refuse and it ends with the entire show breaking or something.
@@iamthemouse4483 That or Sunny vs. Madeline could work like this. Bonus points for both having a shadow counterpart that could make them start the fight but then they help the other beat their counterpart.
I could also see Frisk VS Niko having this scenario as. Not only they are pacifists, but they are very aware they are in a game. So I can see their main objective just avoid fighting and more so escaping.
21:01: Actually, in the recent Trunks vs Silver, they used the Game version of Silver to upscale from Archie Silver! They said that Solaris as a cosmic being was gonna wipe out the Sonic Cosmology and each three hedgehogs needed to travel past linear time in order to defeat Solaris. In other words, they gave Archie Silver LITERAL IMMEASURABLE SPEED which was based off Game Silvers scaling. So considering Burning Blaze should be comparable to Super Sonic, they would give Blaze IMMEASURABLE scaling with possible Mutliversal scaling
I do not want Luigi to be in another death battle. He wouldn’t hurt the innocent, and especially with how they bastardized him in his death battle
womp womp i need him to beat up pac-man
“He wouldn’t hurt the innocent” flashback to all the crimes Luigi has committed in Mario Kart and Mario Party
......you do know one of the rules of death battle is that mercy is ignored, right? It doesn't matter if the character is against violence in canon, they're willing to kill in death battle.
Nobody i's "innocent."
U do realize how many characters in death battle wouldn't hurt the innocent? Besides, Luigi vs pacman is peak
This is a topic I've thought about on-and-off, so here are a few of mine.
The A-Team: You'd think the TV series equivalent of action movies would be perfect for a Death Battle, but most of the team's actions are spent on studying their opponent in preparation for the big showdown, something Death Battle prohibits. Take that away, and your just left with "guys with guns," with little to no chance to show off the individual members' true strengths and personalities.
Carmen Sandiego: Specifically the one *not* from the Netflix series (good as that show is). Her skillset is more suited to infiltration, so much so that you almost never actually see how she commits her crimes, crimes that can get downright ridiculous at times (one of her cronies once stole the entire Roman Forum). In fact, when Carmen is confronted, she spends all her energy into escape as opposed to actually dealing with her pursuers.
Baymax (Disney's Big Hero 6): Put simply, Baymax does not kill; it's literally programmed into him to follow the Hippocratic Oath. Yes, there was that one scene in the movie where Hiro removed that particular program, but in the follow-up series, he replaced Baymax's combat program with a new chip that was less prone to lethality.
Genie (Disney's Alladin): Similar to Baymax: the guy does not kill. In fact, while you could theoretically argue for Baymax's potential to kill, Genie has it hardwired into his very DNA. Consider that when Jafar became a genie, he lamented that he couldn't directly kill Alladin in vengeance and had to take measures that would merely *lead* to his demise.
Korosensei (Assassination Classroom): This is probably my most controversial. Put simply, any fight with Korosensei would be an absolute stomp in his favor, owing to his incredibly specific weaknesses: pellets that are specifically designed to harm him, an adverse reaction to water that might not be as readily available, and you have to hit him in a very specific spot if you want to guarantee a kill.
Korosensei isn’t THAT impressive and hard to kill. He doesn’t even go up to light speed I don’t think
@@Avajsb-rv7gw Speed is actually the least of my concerns (although his stated speed of Mach 20 doesn't help his case, either). It more comes down to how his most exploitable weaknesses are next to impossible for a supposedly unprepared opponent to deal with.
@@fictionfan0Eh, some of his big opponents like Monokuma and Sans have ways around that (transmutation and soul manipulation respectively) so I don’t think he immediately stomps everyone.
Honestly, if they ever figured out how to make pikmin work in death battle, i'd personally much prefer louie over olimar, he would be a lot more interesting in my opinion.
Judging by the thumbnail, I already know two of the five thumbnail characters who are going to at least be mentioned, if not be on this list: the Boyfriend from Friday Night Funkin' and Olimar from Pikmin.
Also, we need more people talking about who they don't want on Death Battle because as you've said in the description, talking about who people don't want in Death Battle is unpopular compared to who they want in Death Battle.
It's funny because Olimar vs Milodane from Tinykin is one of my more wanted matchups. They're both tiny and command small armies so it could work out.
What?! Olimar's only 1.5 inches tall?! Dang I must be stupid because I assumed he was human. Also, funny you mention Viola because recently I beat Bayonetta 3 and was gonna play the first 2 Xenoblade Chronicleses, but after your previous DB vid, I decided to check out Hi-Fi RUSH and had a great time (RIP Tango #f_*(ring loss sound)*_kXBox), and now I'm on Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and it is kicking my ass to hell and beyond. Just looked for Celeste and it's on Game Pass so maybe I'll download it sometime. BTW, I totally thought Chara would be #1 because they got misrepresented as a psycho killer when really the psycho is us the player.
I'm not gonna like seeing one of my favorite Sonic characters being fed to a DC herald if they do Blaze vs Starfire. Remember how big a deal they made of Trigon in Phoenix vs Raven to the point that he was basically the main reason the fight didn't end up as a stomp in Jean's favor? Well, from what little i understand about Starfire, she can apparently fight on his level too. Honestly, at that point i'm sure Blaze gets stomped even if you give her scaling to the whole Solaris thing (heck, even Archie scaling is probab;y not gonna be enough at that point).
One thing you didn't mention for Olimar: his ship has star level weaponry. So even if you could find someone for Olimar, they better be someone who also has a vehicle that can reach star level.
Also, about Sonic characters, I completely agree, but there *is* hope. I mean, Sonic beat Goku in the Cast, which granted was fan vote, but was done using feats they themselves mentioned, including Void, Solaris and The End. Heck, by the end of it, Chad was even convinced that Sonic would beat Goku. So if they do ever do a Sonic MU again, there is a chance that they could finally do the series justice.
It's likely the Star level Dolphin is false, as Olimar reportedly got the Nova Blaster, the weapon said to blow up stars, from a shady businessman. The "blow up stars" quote came from a dubiously accurate brochure. It's likely just viral marketing Olimar bought into.
Now, Uni+ Dolphin is actually more feasible surprisingly, but that's a whole other thing entirely-
For the BF entry, it would make more sense for pico to be in death battle than him, since he's in a fighting game (newgrounds rumble), and he's freaking loaded.
As for your Monika entry:
The second you brought her up, i was like "god damnit, people seriously hate me." I've long since stopped hating her, but she still takes me off guard when someone mentions the game, i.e yourself and caddicarus.
Update:
Flowey, upon hearing people want Monika to fight him: "hee hee hee... YOU REALLY ARE AN IDIOT."
Honestly, Madeline Vs Peppino is a pretty bad episode, Madeline didn’t show much ways of fighting (yes I’ve played the game) meanwhile Peppino turned off the f💍cking game, dispersed the sky, pummeled Pizzahead into oblivion, changed the sky back to it’s original color, destroyed pocket dimensions, and even moved the earth to cause a lunar eclipse
(Fun fact: most people (myself included) headcanon them as uncle and niece so… having them fight to me is just weird, , the only way I’d wanna see Madeline is if Death Battle themselves look at the headcanon, approve of it, and put it in an episode where Peppino wins a fight or smth )
I got an idea, Madeline vs Pacifist Frisk, the episode is just them hanging out and being friends and not fighting i dont care if its called death battle, make this like a joke episode where they simply don't fight
The best matchup for both characters I’ve ever seen.
Yeah, just make Pacifist Frisk and Madeline's ending like Deadpool vs Pinkie Pie (Except no fourth wall breaking) and I think things would be fine.
Madeline, Pacifist Frisk and Hat Kid all vibing together would be the best timeline. At that point, it wouldn’t even be a Death Battle anymore, but it would be for the much greater good
yes! and they might as well include other character who don't fight just so no one asks. if they include all kind character who don't fight in battle but make them firends.. everyone should be happy
I'm just imagining Frisk and Madeline hanging out, having fun and eating spider donuts, meanwhile Badeline and Chara are giving each other death stares that say "If you lay a finger on Them, I will erase you and your entire bloodline."
People say Blaze have Starfire and Rivet in Ratchet and Clank but people say Archie Blaze is a different story
My personal favorite for Archie Blaze is actually Athena from Saint Seiya, but she's probably too unknown in America for Death Battle to use anyway.
@@PauloJrchannel OI PAULO SOU BRASILEIRO
Two characters i absolutely don't wanna see on Death Battle are the following:
Robbie Rotten from Lazytown - This isn't me saying Robbie is a bad character or doesn't fit in Vs, but the main reason i don't wanna see him on Death Battle is because of Stefan Karl's passing. Even if it has been a number of years, just the idea that I'm gonna be a beloved and wonderful man die twice in my lifetime is something i don't think i can handle anytime soon. Imagine being part of Karl's family, and finding out that a character with his likeness was in a popular Vs show where he dies in a horrible manner. You can argue the same thing with Randy Savage, but even in that episode i don't think they handled the death well because it's too reminiscent of how he actually died (a heart attack). Unless there's a way to kill him off without feeling disgusting and distasteful, I don't want him in Death Battle, especially considering his most popular matchup is Waluigi, a character who absolutely stomps Robbie Rotten.
Sunny from Omori - I love Omori, and i do wanna see it on Death Battle but uh... Don't put Sunny in Death Battle.
I've seen good matchups for Sunny, Lucas from Mother 3 being a very good matchup with thematic connections, but it's a mega stomp. Lucas has actual combat experience while Sunny is a malnourished kid who can barely use a knife in a fight. I've heard arguments saying "Well just give Sunny his Headspace powers" *but if you're gonna give Sunny Headspace, just use Omori himself.* Omori himself is viable for Vs and has a wide array of abilities and items to use, but Sunny is just a normal kid, please don't put him on Death Battle.
You do make a good point with Frisk. I never thought about the potential character assaination. However, i do have 2 ways it could work.
1. It's a tie. Frisk can't die by their opponents hand, but they refuse to kill their opponent. Frisk is still willing to fight. Like with Omega Flowey, but not land a killing blow.
2. Frisk accidentally kills their opponent, so resets and stops the fight before it happens.
That second option might work, but it’s unlikely that it’d happen.
@tonysonic456 I have always seen that determination in Undertale is a two-sided thing like yin and yang depending on what the goal is.
Since the determination to save everyone, including Asriel, was so high that Frisk kept up with the God of Hyperdeath form, what makes it so that Genocide Frisk doesn't have the same amount of determination in the opposite direction?
Chara destroys reality to point that there is no save point left to go back to through determination alone, so there is some precedent for Death Battle to go that route.
Ultimately, I still agree with you Frisk really should not be used without really planning things out, if at all. I was just wondering since my understanding of determination is that you get the same amount of power, just pointed at whatever goal you are looking for.
Oh I have another one more matchup that I want to see is
Scratch and grounder vs orbot and cube bot
Nincombots vs nincombots
What do you think about this?
3:08 Times we've gotten Super Shadow (at least to my knowledge) as of this video:
Sonic Adventure 2/Battle, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2006, Super Shadow as a spirit in Smash Bros Ultimate, Sonic Forces: Speed Battle, and Death Battle
I feel the same about Blaze (she's my favorite female character and yeah, Sonic characters are stronger than people say they are) but one thing that really grinds my gears about the Sonic matchups (both Sonic vs Mario fights and both Shadow fights before Ryuko) is that they severely limit the Super Forms, saying it only lasts about a minute with just 50 rings.
Ignoring how Sonic was able to stay in Super for days in Advance, none of these fights ever have Super Sonic or Super Shadow get any more rings to extend the form like you commonly can do.
Actually, I don't even recall there ever being any rings in any of the battles
The Sonic Advance thing is kind of a very weird outlier that hasn't been explained since. Remember Sonic was *missing* for those days so it's not certain if he actually maintained that form for days or something else had happened to him in the meantime and he got to use his super form again to travel back home and all the super forms every character has canonically used, they've always ran out in only a few minutes both before and after that game in every other appearance. He even gets completely taken out and drained fairly early and easily in the one minute he was in the form by Eggman at the start of Sonic Unleashed, and he struggled to keep being Super Sonic in Sonic Frontiers too after each Titan fight. And collecting Rings has only given the form one full second to stay more active, which against the wrong opponent would be a grave detriment if the characters can't somewhat focus on the battle.
@@yusifudo46 You realize in many of the games, Super Sonic can collect a bunch of rings all at once, like in the Time Eater fight? Why isn't he allowed to do that? He quite literally can get 900 rings and get more as the ring count drains.
And Eggman caught Sonic in a machine specifically designed to take the Emeralds and used them to awaken Dark Gaia. And he didn't struggle to maintain Super after the Titan fights, he was hit by lasers (designed by the Ancients who had machinery to contain the Emeralds).
@@JayRedGear I said exactly all of that. It doesn't change anything I said, and that was Time Eater in a place where clearly he had way more access to rings than normal and time wasn't even a factor. You haven't debunked anything I said.
@@JayRedGear I said exactly all of that. It doesn't change anything I said, and that was Time Eater in a place where clearly he had way more access to rings and time wasn't even a factor. You haven't debunked anything I said
@@yusifudo46 It actually does because 1) in many Super Sonic fights, Sonic can gather more rings at any time and in games like Frontiers, he can have 900 rings, 2) both scenarios of you saying he can't maintain the form are wrong and clearly, you're ignoring context (of both Eggman and the Ancients' weaponry which were designed to contain the Emeralds), something that's not in play in any other fights, most especially in a Death Battle so IDK why you're even mentioning that.
I'm not really a FNAF fan, but I wouldn't mind it if William Afton fought someone I'm surprised you didn't mention.
The man in the suit.
Both are very similar, stuck in costumes and have supernatural abilities. They're also murderers that make their victims suffer a fate worse than death (being stuck inside an animatronic vs being fused with your suit). William is famous for his durability while The man in the suit has slowly become as capable of a fighter as Godzilla with his acid vomit and healing factor.
I didn’t mention the man in the suit because I don’t know who the man in the suit is.
@@tonysonic456 Check it out, it's unironically a pretty good analog horror
@@tonysonic456 Oh, he's from a popular fan-made Godzilla RUclips series by Unknowingly. It's pretty cool imo
To everyone who think game sonic isnt at least planet level he outran a blackhole for 30 seconds at the end of colors without super form and still escaped he is faster than literal light also a character thar i would love on death battle is a gungeoneer from enter the gungeon the gungeoneers have oved 300 weapons including stuff like blackhole guns and screen nukes including synergies the possibilities for attacks are endless
I wondering why sonic fans aren't talking about how sonic survived a black hole
@paulwilliams5949 I don't know it's possibilly one of the strongest showing of his speed he still gets caught though and saved by the wisps along with becoming a blackhole with the void wisp from the ds version and that version is cannon along with the wii version
Video suggestion: just like you did with your Death Battle videos, how about your top 10 cartoon crossovers you’d want to see & don’t want to see. Ex, i think id be cool if they did a Gravity Falls & Phineas & Ferb crossover
I like to see that
I think the main reason Shadow vs Ryuko didn't go all in on Star to Universe Level Sonic scaling is just because Shadow didn't need it to win. They wanted to still make it seem debatable in the analysis so they left out some of the higher scaling to make it less obvious. It wouldn't be the first time they did this and it wasn't the last.
(Also if you need a good Blaze MU, Rivet from Ratchet and Clank is right there)
The danger of talking about a character, someone doesn't want to come to Death Battle, is the possibility of a troll, reading this, and randomly deciding to make it their life mission to come up with a matchup for that character, and push it enough into popularity, that it becomes an episode.
So, no. I'll never talk about that one character, in all of fiction, for whom I have nothing but hatred and disgust left.
Who's that character? I swear that if you tell me yours I will tell you mine.
Sorry, but no.🤐
@@amigomorton5193 Oh come on, you are being a pessimist.
I think the Patapons from Patapon could combat Olimar and the Pikmin, since in that game, you control an army of Patapon (although using drums to the beat of the music)
One problem is the fact that there is a lack of their height listing.
A post on Reddit said that they are apparently the size of a baseball, but there isn’t really a source for that. That, and the fact that the world seems like a normal earth looking tribal world.
Characters I don't want in Death Battle include Miltank, Watchog, Froslass, and Chansey. Chansey and Froslass because they have Minimize and Double Team respectively in addition to Froslass having Snow Cloak, and Minimize and Double Team should be removed from the game because they're such scummy garbage, Watchog because it's terribly weak but is somehow really annoying to battle (especially since it's everywhere in a Unova playthrough), and Miltank isn't just a nuisance, *IT IS A MENACE TO SOCIETY, AND I DESPISE IT WITH A BURNING PASSION.* I would happily enjoy getting revenge on Miltank by eating it and drinking its milk to ensure it dies and to bring justice to those who have suffered its Rollout-Attract-Stomp-Milk Drink wrath.
Wouldn’t that just be like a regular pokemon battle you’d play in a Nuzlocke?
I do have a couple of battles they hadn't done yet and I would love to see. That being Jafar vs Maleficent and Banjo-Kazooie vs Yooka-Laylee.
As a DDLC fan I have to agree with you on Monika and death battle. She makes no sense to be on the show.
Even if Monika DID have magical powers as the fans claim she would still lose to Flowy
@@SayoriChan640 Yep
For the FNaF animatronic one, not only are they not seen doing much, none of them were even programmed to fight, not even Dad-of-the-Decade Glamrock Freddy. There are characters like William in his suits and the possessed animatronics. The animatronics were made to entertain, but were given sentience because of the souls of the dead kids/murderer of said kids. The only reason that they're deadly is because they attack night guards with little to no way to defend themselves besides doors and a mask. There's also the Funtimes. While yeah, they were made to capture and kill kids to harvest remnant (maybe), they can't use any of that in a battle because although deadly to a Joe-Shmoe, not at all deadly to someone like the Ghost Face or the Legion from Dead by Daylight, as they could just shove them over. Even the Glamrocks, because although they are seen doing some pretty neat stuff in their game, they can never use those in a Death Battle. The closest we could get would probably be the Blob/Tangle, as they're big enough and can use their tentacles for some means of attack, but even then they're far too big to even move around quick enough to get away from a powerful attack. Springtrap and his iterations (besides Glitchtrap) also has the disadvantage of being a literal rotten corpse in a suit. There's also the Golden Freddys, because like you said, they can only use 2 things in a battle, but even then they would barely do anything because they're just limp suits that can teleport and put you into an eternal purgatory after you die (in Cassidy's case). None of the animatronics are built for combat.
you should do which death battle match ups was the best or worst. and congrats on getting this far on yt!!
Thank you! And yeah, that could be a neat video.
@@tonysonic456 what do you think of Batman vs Spider-Man it's my favorite episode featuring my two favorite characters battling each other also I completely agree with their verdict
I think the only way you can really go about doing Pacifist Frisk in a Death Battle is if it's a complete draw where a third party dies, or if whoever is fighting them dies to -Flowey- something else entirely.
While Aang's character was butchered in his show, he technically is willing to kill not of his own volition, but because of the Avatar state. In the finale of season one he wiped out the fire nation army. So even though he himself was a pacifist, he could work in death battle as long as he killed someone in the Avatar state. But outside the Avatar state, he's not willing to kill.
I wouldn't want any characters from the Gamera series in Death Battle, because their most popular and most likely matchups are against Godzilla characters, however it's a foregone conclusion that any Gamera vs Godzilla fight will be a massive stomp in the Godzilla character's favor, unless you're using some of the insanely underpowered variations of Godzilla like Minus One or Shin.
One of my favorite Blaze Matchups is Blaze Vs Rivet from Rift Apart.
Alternate universe versions of the protagonist that differs in life styles to the characters and each other. One is a freedom fighter having to survive on the streets and the other lives a life of royalty. Both end up meeting up with the protagonists and end up having to fight an alternate universe version of the main antagonist. They both have trouble getting close to others and accepting friendship but the main hero and the characters from that verse help break down their barriers.
Honestly I kind of agree with the takes, however I should clarify something regarding the Blaze thing (And DB's thoughts:
20:45 So regarding DB having Shadow (and basically the rest of the cast that directly scale to the Emeralds). It's mentioned in the side-bars and their official research blogs (also a DBC Episode, I think it was Chaos Vs Kryogre iirc) that they do buy the Uni - Multi stuff for Sonic.
The thing is that like in a lot of Death Battle, in order to keep it somewhat entertaining (i.e to make the audience guess who would win by keeping the stats vague or sometimes "low-balling" a character in the episode) they have to use a more conservative end feat for the casual audience who might not understand, and to basically serve as a simple "Even if we don't buy the Uni - Multi feats, the cast would still win with this more conservistive end". (They did the same thing with Dragonborn and The Doctor, so it's not the only one).
Theres also the fact they are constantly improving their research overtime and more willing to buy various stuff that didn't before, so you can't be too hard on them - as they've constantly buffed verses MANY times. So if anything it's a possibility that they could redeem Sonic scaling.
Personally speaking I'm fine with it since I like reading the side-bars and suppilmentry stuff in their blogs since I'm aware that they can't go over everything, but at the same time it is kind of annoying but nyeh.
Regardless if you were curious on a Blaze MU that personally enjoy, is pretty fair, and really interesting. I recommend Rivet (Ratchet and Clank). Otherwise Pogfrog Video!
I appreciate the explanation, but I don’t think I understand their mindset. Death Battle has placed more than a few characters on the universal to multiversal scale before. Goku, Superman, Scarlet Witch, Zatanna, motherfucking SPONGEBOB-they let these characters be as powerful as they are; so why not the Sonic cast? Because if they were truly following their “conservative” approach, then none of the characters I mentioned would be that high on the power scale.
1. No gaggy toon force characters
2. No More Superman
3. No More Goku
So, Bugs Bunny vs. Mickey Mouse is off the table?
This is funny seeing what their first matchup will be.
i think goku beats superman
i agree with this.. if they're gonna force superman to win.. there's no point
@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866 Goku cannot beat the strongests Supermans. He can beat some, but not all of them.
@@toumabyakuya just take goku from dbs (and add his db and dbz stuff) and add whatever version of superman that came out the same year (bonus points if it was froma show) i normally would not care if my character loses... but the reason i want goku to win is cause everyone keeps making look weaker then he is and also him beating superman is payback...oh and i also think goku overall is a better character.. have nothing against superman.. also i will always vote against him
OMORI spoilers you have been warned.
Honestly Sunny is basically on the characters I least want to see in Death Battle. Since because I do not want to watch Sunny (a depressed child who basically hallucinate throughout the game from guilt, who commits suicide in a couple endings of the game) get killed or kill someone else in a match up. Since it leaves me with a dark taste in my mouth to have this depressed kid kill someone and potentially gain more guilt or get killed by that opponent.
That is my opinion and belief. I just want this boy to have a happy ending. Thank you for reading.
I personally do not want any TADC characters on the show, at least not now. The only one with any really applicable stuff is Caine, but we barely know anything about him.
I don’t think it has been ever stated by the DB crew but I’d assume since Makima is technically the newest debut character used in DB where the manga she first appeared in was in 2018 and her episode in 2023 with at least 5 years worth of material needed for analysis. I believe they only time they’ve used freshly debut characters was Tracer from Overwatch back in 2016 where she only had a few months worth of materials at the time for tracer vs scout
The only way I'd see the og FNAF 1 animatronics working in a Death Battle is with the one matchup against Luigi. I could imagine it not being a battle but more of if Luigi could survive or not. (Which he obviously would)
Also if Springtrap ever got on Death Battle, I'd want him to go up against the Ink Demon from BATIM.
@@him7829 The Ink Demon only works because “villains of mascot horror games”. That’s it. They have no connections outside of that, and furthermore, the Ink Demon would SLAUGHTER Springtrap. It’s not fair in the slightest.
If we DID get bayonetta on the series again, this is actually a decent idea. Spawn. Sure, it’s an absolute curb stomp, but there could be some cool banter.
Regarding Olimar. While I don't think he, personally, has any good matchups, the Koppaite Exploration Team from Pikmin 3 could go up against Team Snakemouth from Bug Fables: The Everlasting Sapling, as there are a lot of similarities between the two groups, to the point where we'd even have an easy reason for them to fight (That being Brittany taking berries from Vi, as those berries are used as currency in Bug Fables, and are shown being eaten by one characterin the game, despite their bitter taste), and both teams are handicapped equally by The Koppaite Exploration Team having to deal with potentially stronger bugs than they're used to, and Team Snakemouth not being too amazing against armies. Both of the aforementioned handicaps the two groups can and will be able to overcome.
As for the character I most don't want appearing in Death Battle, Maxwell, from Scribblenauts. This kid technically has the ability to create anything he wants with his magic notebook, but he comes with one VERY major conundrum. Do they keep his kind, generous, yet sometimes playful attitude, going against the rules of Death Battle, or do they make him add the adjective "Gone" to his opponent and win instantly. A lose-lose situation if you ask me. Maxwell's entire journey in Scribblenauts Unlimited is to learn to help others, and to use his powers responsibly. Death Battle's entire design philosophy, which has good reason to be the way that it is, flies completely in the face of this moral, and this character, even down to his powerset.
You bring up an interesting idea with Alph, Brittany, and Charlie. I actually kinda want to see that.
@tonysonic456 The best part about this matchup is that the connections actually go a lot deeper than what I had previously listed, so here are a few of them:
- Both teams are groups of three with at least one plant-like ally they can call upon to help (The Pikmin/Chompy).
- Both teams of three call themselves explorers, though, in Team Snakemouth's case, it's more of an official term.
- Both teams have a cool-headed, blue coloured member on their team who is of a different generation to their two teammates (Alph, who is stated multiple times in game to be younger than the other two Koppaites/Leif, a moth who was trapped in a web inside Snakemouth Den, asleep for a great many years, before being rescued).
- Both teams have a headstrong, green coloured team member who holds an attachment to a small toy, and had failed to fend off a monster many times their size that the team barely managed to take down together (Charlie, with his rubber duck, who got attacked by the Vehemoth Phosbat/Kabbu, being a fan of the Bug Rangers, and keeping a plushie of one of them, also reveals that he'd been on an Explorer team before, but was attacked by The Beast, barely escaping with his life, but losing his father and his friend Bit in the event).
- Both teams have one female member, with that particular individual being a bit abrasive, and being greedy in some way, yet are still able to show compassion when needed, and are more than willing to take charge when no one else will (Brittany/Violet, though she's always referred to as Vi)
- Both teams begin their journeys on a fetch quest of some kind, only for their quest to change partway through, and force them into areas that can only be described as nightmarish and hazardous (The Koppaites heading out in search of food, then going out of their way to save Olimar, in the Formidable Oak, from the dangerous Plasm Wraith/Team Snakemouth's initial journey beginning as a fetch quest, gathering relics that will lead them to the fabled Everlasting Sapling, ends in a hazardous trek though The Deadlands, one of the most terrifying places in any non-horror video game - seriously, look up gameplay of this place, it's crazy - All in an effort to stop The Wasp King from taking the power of the Everlasting Sapling for himself).
I'm sure there are more connections between these two groups that I've missed, but, being a massive fan of Bug Fables (I wonder if I'd made that bias obvious enough), and a fan of Pikmin's characters and storytelling, This is THE matchup I want to see most on Death Battle, despite how unlikely it would be to happen.
Also, I would have to say that this battle would be best done hand-drawn, as Bug Fables' characters don't really adapt well into many other art styles outside the game's own (which is to be expected, as it's a spiritual successor to the Paper Mario games). As for where this fight would take place, I'm not entirely sure, I'd leave that part up to the Death Battle crew in the unlikely event they did make this matchup happen.
Hate to play Devil's advocate, but I can see someone suggesting for Frisk that they pull a Dimitri. In Guts vs Dimitri, they gave Dimitri's best feat by using alternate timelins shenanigans, where they said in Edelgard route, she defeated Rhea, and since Dimitri can defeat Edelgard in his route, he can likely do the same. Pretty sure die hard Frisk Fans would suggest they do the same thing, where they say since Pacifist Frisk can do all that stuff, it is likely that Genocide is stronger since Pacifist is technically Frisk at their "Weakest" and can pull the same stuff. People can also suggest they still be able to do the moves like Hope and Dream since she got them through Determination, something Genocide Frisk also has. However, this all is to play devil's advocate. I am pretty sure Genocide can't scale to Pacifist and gain the abilities they do as well. There also could be other things that can argued, but IDK enough about Undertale to have a full say. While I don't mind if Frisk were to join, I agree they should stay away from Death Battle. Heck, my favorite fight for Ness is actually Ness vs Silver.
I can see why you and others would be opposed to seeing Smaug on Death Battle and that's fair, but personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him on the show so long as he's put against the right opponent. Like I personally like the idea him going against Fatalis from Monster Hunter thanks to their thematic connections and the idea of a good old fashion fire breathing Dragon fight even if the fight dynamic is a touch basic. Granted, I do see that deciding how the fight would play out and end could be tricky if the different subspecies are used in Fatalis's stead, but at least it's a better matchup than putting Smaug against Fin Fang Foom or Deathwing (seriously, how the hell did I think those were good matchups as a kid?)
While there are a couple characters I could think of as ones I flat out don't want to see on Death battle, there's also a few characters that leave me conflicted, where I would LOVE to see on Death Battle because I like them as characters... but also I kinda don't want to see on the show if only because I think literally all their matchups SUCK (or more accurately I just don't like). The biggest offenders in that camp for me being Ridley, Mothra and Godzilla; characters I really love and would love to see on Death Battle, but not with the vast majority of their matchups, including their most popular ones (except for OG Godzilla vs Gamera, I love that episode despite not needing a rematch)
Saying that, if there is one character that I could say I absolutely DON'T WANT to see covered on Death Battle, hot take, is SCP 682. Out of all the characters you could argue shouldn't belong on Death Battle because their uber-powerful abilities wouldn't clash well in versus settings (Superman and Saitama use to be one of the big ones back in the day), I personally think 682 is the biggest offender of that. Where his powers and plot manipulation hacks are such bullshit that trying to discuss them in a versus context isn't fun or interesting, and that nearly all their matchups are either ill-fitting, or are just boring with how one-sided or stalematey they are. I'm fine with cartoon characters being somewhat similarly bullshit with their zany powers and fourth-wall breaking antics, but at least they sometimes have in-universe weaknesses that could theoretically be countered, or at the very least are just always fun to watch and hear about. With 682's slightly more serious tone and completely unbeatable nature, I just think it stops being fun or interesting when trying to put him in versus.
That's just me though, maybe there is more cleverness and nuance to some 682 matchups that I just don't see, and I know full well a ton of people still wanna see him on Death Battle, and that's ok.
Lucas from mother 3 I’d cry if I saw him die after loosing his brother,loosing his mother,loosing his dad,loosing his home and loosing his happy life.
I honestly don't want any of the My Little Pony G5 characters to be in the show mostly because there's not really much to work with for the characters besides Sunny Starscout, Opaline, and maybe Misty and Zipp Storm. (And also because I don't want to see any of them die because I love them too much)
Death Battle should stick with G4 since the characters there have more to work with in a VS.
One of my personal least wanted character for death battle is Paper Mario because his only matches are either a stomp in his favour or his opponents favour.
Honestly the only matchup for frisk and Madeline that kinda works for me is inverted fate frisk and chara vs Madeline and badaline but even then that’s using a fan made version of the characters and still misses the point of Madeline’s growth. (Inverted fate is really good though.) p.s. forgot to mention but good video.
While I'd have to say that Smaug is definitely more powerful than you gave him credit for, id still agree that he's still quite weak among dragons.
That's kind of fitting. In lore, Smaug is considered BY FAR the weakest dragon to ever live in middle-earth. There are one or two dragons I think he would beat in a death battle, like Drogon, but yeah, in terms of ALL dragons in media, Smaug's a weakling. Not the weakest, but no where near the strongest
Now if you want a dragon from middle-earth that IS ridiculously powerful, go with Ancalagon The Black. He was so large that he completely blotted out the sun across continents and destroyed entire mountain ranges by landing atop them.
Right from the start, you pull out a character I have complicated opinions on for Death Battle.
Honestly, I want Olimar in Death Battle and to have him scaled to his smash height, not because of making a match compatible… But just to get an idea of how tough he and the Pikmin actually are without their height getting in the way. Mass and relative size are everything in physics. Remember in Pikmin 4 where 100 purples lifted a bar of gold or how Olimar survives getting crushed from above by boulders on the regular? From the perspective of our size, it’s a joke. But from his size?
It may not be super faithful to his series, but I think Olimar deserves some proper justice in VS debate circles. If that means ignoring a canon handicap and doing 9 Starbucks trips worth of math to figure out the proper scaling needed to make an OG Goku vs Superman “Gravity Formula”? Then I say it’s worth it to let the guy shine.
As for characters I personally don’t want to see? Definitely Rosalina from Super Mario.
Rosalina has kind of the opposite problem you have with Blaze. She is often hyped up by fanboys as this universe level cosmic goddess (mainly due to Galaxy’s ending). However…
A.) That was The LUMAS. Not her.
B.) She has never displayed anything else close to this level of supposed power.
and C.) Galaxy’s ending as a whole felt like an abstract clusterfuck to me. Regardless of how Death Battle’s analytics team decide to interpret it, SOMEONE is going to get pissed off.
I think the case with Rosalina is that she herself is the guardian of the Lumas and therefore can be scaled to them and she survived the universal reset explosion.
Changing his size for the sake of scale is, in my opinion, defeating the purpose of having Pikmin on the show to begin with.
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That’s cool, I can respect that. But I still think it would be cool to figure out just how powerful they are from THEIR perspective as opposed to OURS. Y’know?
Here's my list of characters that can't work on Death Battle:
-Ozai from Avatar: He has only one fight on-screen, and it was during Sozin's Comet. You can't use Ozai at all because of it.
-Santa Claus: In the original stories, he never fights, so he can't be used.
-Any Plague Inc microorganism: They can't "fight" directly.
-Extinct animals: Nobody fully knows exactly how they behaved or fought, so they can't be used in theory.
-Most Lovecraft stuff: They are almost never seen fighting.
Olimar: Yeah. Agreed. This...doesn't work.
Viola: That's more a "not now" summary than a total "should never happen", but essentially agreed. Give her a game or two more to see if she falls off.
Rebecca Chambers: Yeah, this is complete...who? 8 is pretty low for this.
Smaug: A dragon v dragon fight would be cool. Smaug vs. Rathalos would work (and Smaug probably even wins that fight), but that's about it as far as a dragon fight with Smaug making sense goes.
FNAF Animatronics: I could have seen them doing Golden Freddy vs. Bendy 4-5 years ago, but now I think FNAF's moment is passed.
Blaze: I think Blaze vs. Starfire probably is the match, if it happens at all. I don't think Blaze is the next Sonic fight, though. Next Sonic fight is, probably, Rouge vs. Sly.
Boyfriend: Boyfriend vs. Parappa would at least be fun, even if Boyfriend DEFINITELY loses.
Monika: Would get stomped by the Junko AI (which would be a fun match), from Danganronpa 2, let alone FLOWEY.
Madeline: Hat Kid would stomp, and the logic is shaky. Peppino would also stomp, and...c'mon: Peppino vs. Wario.
Frisk: Yeah. Just...no.
I don't necessarily have characters I definitely don't want, but I have one match-up that I think SUCKS.
Kylo Ren vs. Edelgard (I would not be opposed to either of these on the show, just...not against each other. For Kylo? Masayoshi Shido. For Edelgard? Mandy, from The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.)
I’ve only got a couple of options for characters I don’t want in Death Battle, and one of them is a Joke version of a character, and the other is a group of characters altogether
1: Ultra-Instinct Shaggy
To put it simply, this was a joke that everyone took way too far, Shaggy was brave for a few scenes in Scooby-Doo and all of a sudden everyone went nuts, fan made fight animations were made with him being above god level of power, with everyone overestimating him like nobody’s business to the point of people demanding he be the next Guest character in Mortal Kombat 11 when it first came out
2: literally any Dreamworks movie villain
Name any Dreamworks villain and it’s likely they don’t have enough media outside of one movie to pull feats from, Titan, Chantele Dubois, Dave the Octopus, Dwayne the Exterminator, Prince Charming, Lord Farquaad, Fairy Godmother, Rumplestiltskin, The Red Death, Drago Bludvist, Grimmel the Grisly, General Kai, Lord Shen, Tai Lung, Big Jack Horner, Death, some of those have a decent number of fight scenes, and some clips of them doing evil stuff, especially so for the Kung Fu Panda Villains and Death, (enough that you could _maaaybe_ get away with it) but compared to some of the characters that they get paired up with for matchups, they’re awesome in theory, but kind of a mess when you actually start to look into it as a VS debate, they only have a few feats to talk about due to being in only one movie and then that’s it after that, not to mention some of the characters they get put up against are ridiculous, like Death’s most popular opponent is Rattlesnake Jake from Rango, who not only has the same problem as Dreamworks villains, but it’s a snake Vs a wolf, and a supernatural wolf at that, first problem is the size difference, Death is going to ultimately tower over any character in Rango, but also Death is a supernatural being who can walk through energy barriers that would normaly obliterate anyone it touches, Jake on the other hand is a normal rattlesnake with a Gatling gun. Honestly you’d ultimately only get their maximum potential through scaling a whole bunch of times. Really, Death and Tai Lung are treated more as memes in Vs debating, and not an awful lot of them stand out enough to be extremely memorable, or have any noticeable matchups, which kinda sucks because I love Dreamworks movies, hell, How to Train Your Dragon is not only my favourite Dreamworks franchise, it’s also my favourite movie/franchise… like, in general. And yet how many of the villains would you consider making a hype Death Battle matchup for? Probably none of them.
There are two characters I don't want in death battle, and those are villager and issabelle from animal crossing, the reason why I don't want them in death battle is because they basically have no fighting prowess at all (an no smash bros doesn't count). And because of this they would get killed almost immediately if there are any matchups with other characters, and this is the reason why I don't want these characters in death battle. And I'm excited for the 358/2 days everything right and wrong with, and 358/2 days along with Re:coded are my favorite ds games.
I would argue that you made stronger arguments for Madeline being number one than Frisk. I would also argue that Genocide Frisk is at least more powerful than Neutral. However, then Frisk faces a problem similar to the animatronics where the two most powerful versions of a character that are completely incompatible and can't be composited in any reasonable way(There is no way Frisk could simultaneously be filled with enough desire to help people to nullify the power of a reality-warping deity AND enough hatred to turn into One Punch Man)
Neutral Frisk stood their ground against Omega Flowey who's much stronger than anyone Geno Frisk fought. Also, Frisk comes from my favorite game of all time which part of the reason why they made number 1.
4.-) Actually, there's one good character from yet another Indie game that would be a perfect matchup against Boyfriend: Red from Everhood. Basically, the way Boyfriend fights in-game with all his game mechanics is exactly how any and all bosses from Everhood play out, so Boyfriend wouldn't be out of place as a boss Red has to beat.
2.-) You wanna know what makes matters worse? That there's another character that acts and plays similar enough to Celeste that could be a good replacement: The Ninja from The Messenger. He also climbs a mountain and also is part of a platformer, however, his game is all about humor, so it would make more sense for The Ninja to be in DB.
Also, your same arguments for why Celeste shouldn't be in DB are my reasonings for why I don't want Sunny (from Omori) in DB: he also suffers from heavy depression and is also based on a very very bittersweet story, so Sunny shouldn't be part of DB either.
Mega disagree with the Frisk take considering soulless pacifist exists and how geno frisk and pacifrisk are literally the same person and so their maximum potential is the same (geno frisk should actually be above pacifrisk due to them getting stronger the whole route) pacifrisk actually fought someone that made them lock tf in whilst the closest geno frisk got was fighting sans (debatably the hardest fight in the game but only because he’s cheating the whole fight not because he’s actually strong, he’s literally stated to be the weakest enemy)
Soulless Frisk doesn’t count because nothing changes for Frisk the world resets as if you just completed the pacifist route, meaning Frisk doesn’t remember doing the Genocide route. Plus, Soulless Frisk is still at their best during the Pacisfist route. Being Level 20 during the Genocide route doesn’t mean much since in the world of Undertale, levels don’t make you stronger. You just hold back less and less, and to say that Sans is anywhere NEAR the level of Asriel or even Omega Flowey is a crazy overestimation of Sans as a fighter.
@@tonysonic456 I never said Sans was near the level of Omega Flowey or Asriel. what I said was that he debatably has the hardest fight in the game. that is not because of his actual strength that is because he cheats thus making the fight take longer, he is stated to be the weakest enemy in the game.
@@helton1812 Maybe the hardest fight from a gameplay sense, but I examined Frisk from a story perspective with sprinkles of gameplay mixed in.
@@tonysonic456 whether or not Frisk remembers doing the Geno route doesn't matter it still proves they have the same maximum potential regardless if they were aware of it.
@@helton1812 Dude, the Genocide route was not their maximum potential. I said that enough already. Frisk is at their best as a pacifist, and that just wouldn’t work for them in a Death Battle episode because they’d be forced to go against that mindset and kill someone.
As a serious Ben 10 fan, I am apprehensive about them adding Ben Tennyson to another Death Battle because of how terribly they handled him in Ben 10 vs Green Lantern. If he shows up again, and they handle him well, I would really enjoy it.
As a huge DDLC fan, The whole (Monika escapes) theory is wrong
Its literally said in the game that Monika can never escape the game.. EVER she is forever trapped in the game
If she ever did it would retcon what we've learned and I hate retcons unless Dan found a way to properly think it out and even then its.. You get what I'm saying
Couldn't they just composite all three routes for Frisk? They've done that before with mixing Z and Super for Broly as if they were the same character. Although doing this would go into the discussion of when is it okay for Death Battle to composite, which I know some people have issues with, so I can understand if you're not comfortable with that option either.
Either way, the one character I do not want in Death Battle is without a doubt the Iron Giant, for a lot of the same reasons you gave for Madeline. The whole point of the Iron Giant movie is that he was created to be a destructive weapon, but he does not want to be that and fights against his own programming. This means that the Iron Giant just using any of his actual weapons, like his lasers or explosions, would be going against his character, since he specifically fights against said weapons in the movie, and any moment he uses them is portrayed as something horrific.
The only way to have the Iron Giant fight without breaking his character would be him just fight without his weapons, by just using his body and staying mostly defensive (this is kind of what they do in the MultiVersus video game, where you have the option to play like that and the weapons are all optional), but this wouldn't work on Death Battle, because the whole point of the show is putting the characters at their strongest, and the Iron giant's strongest attacks come from said weapons that he refuses to use, so they wouldn't be able to ignore the Iron Giant's strongest attacks just for the sake of keeping him in character.
The choices here are either ignore most of the Giant's arsenal and his strongest attacks, or have him be explicitly out of character just for the sake of giving him his strongest attacks available. I'm not fund of either option, which is why despite at least one of his matches having good connections (Iron Giant vs Stitch is legitimately not bad connections wise), I'd still rather the Iron Giant not be used.
okay but Freddy Fazbear vs Frankenstein's Monster is peak matchup
One character I'm Really Conflicted on for being on Death battle is Toriko. On one hand, he's got plenty of Fun matchups to work with, and obviously has plenty of Combat Feats that a Typical Shonen Protagonist would have...However, he wouldn't work in a Situation where he has to fight someone to the Death because of his Strict Moral code as a Gourmet Hunter, that being Never killing something he doesn't Eat. So it would be Way out of character for him to Kill someone in a fight.
Now there are Other characters from Toriko that could work on Death Battle, like Zebra or Starjun, but Toriko himself wouldn't work because of his Morals.
I would rather not have ladybug from the miraculous adventures of ladybug and cat noir because not only is she a horrible character and I hate her but I'm mostly because most of her fights include cat noir and she uses him as a shield to make her plan work, plus the way that she fights by herself is defensive she usually runs away and incredibly boring to me when she fights, inconsistent scaling with her powers and her "strongest move", the lucky charm. Now for those who don't know the lucky charm basically allows her to create a deus ex machina; a random item that allows her to create a solution to any problem as you can guess this creates a problem in a versus Battle scenario
Not gonna lie, some of the reasoning for blaze is really petty. It's a mix of "I'm upset they don't buy the absolute highest interpretations for how powerful those characters are" and "DB downplayed this franchise before, so there's no way they can change their minds over time". Like, what's wrong with them contradicting previous videos that you just said you disagree with? They do it all the time (compare thor's feats from thor vs wonder woman to his fight against vegeta), it's not like improving the research or buying higher end feats is anything new.
People don't use the erazor jin feat because there's plenty wrong with it. On top of the outlier argument (the other two examples of cosmic feat you mentioned for base sonic aren't even close to universal) he explicitely needed the rings to destroy it all at once, and everything he did besides that was done over time, not to mention there's a lot of contradiction about how big the places he destroyed before even are.
And no offense, but the part about mario vs sonic really just makes it sound less like genuine criticism, and more like a "fanboy being salty" kind of rant (not necessarily saying it actually is, but that's what it ends up sounding like). "They let mario survive hits from hyper sonic even though he can't even survive lava" cool, and hyper sonic can't survive being crushed by a rock. Using gamplay anti feats that are completely contradicted by what those characters have done is something you can do for both characters. Not to mention insanely hypocritical from someone who not only buys high end sonic feats, but also feels entitled to other people buying them.
Here's the thing:
The reason I feel like Death Battle wouldn't contradict themselves when tackling Blaze is because of their track record with Sonic specifically. They may have updated their research with other franchises, but unless they're dealing with specifically Archie Sonic characters, Sonic characters often get downplayed to an extreme degree. Sure, back in the day when Death Battle wasn't as thorough, this was acceptable, but ever since Metal Sonic's episode, every character is rarely put at even planet level which is ridiculous. Due to this, it's often resulted in the Sonic character unfairly losing at best and deliberately shat on at worst, and as a Sonic fan who loves these characters, it hurts.
With Erazor Djinn, the Arabian Nights is actually an entire multiverse with each story contained within its own universe, and Erazor said at the start of the game that he had carved up 100 of the 1,001 worlds that make up the verse. He's casually destroying entire universes before Sonic even gets there. In Infinite's case, not only can you get him even higher by virtue of him beating a more powerful Sonic with relative ease, but he can also create Null Space which according to the Japanese version of Forces is described as a whole universe the Phantom Ruby created. Emerl is the only one that doesn't reach universal, but it's not like it matters since he was fought back in the past when Sonic wasn't as powerful as he is now. Also, what do you define as an outlier? People I've talked to about Sonic scaling have thrown around that word a lot, and to me, it just sounds like they're saying "I choose not to use this thing because I don't want to" rather than them saying, "I choose not to use it because of a legitimate reason".
Finally, about Mario vs Sonic, I could see where you're coming from, but I didn't just complain about how they handled Sonic in that episode. I also pointed out how Mario was done dirty too. They ignored his best feats that put him way higher than just kicking a building, and they butchered his character by making him act more like Racist Mario than Super Mario. Also, the main reason I said that Star Mario can't even survive lava is because that's literally all we have for Star Mario. With Hyper Sonic, we can scale it to Super Sonic accordingly who's proven to be powerful enough to take on beings of way more power. Star Mario has only ever shown up in gameplay with no real way to scale him which creates this issue of how you even utilize the powerup. Is he just invincible until the powerup where's out, or does the invincibility have limits? The games show us the latter almost all the time, and the only contradiction is in the movie where it lasts a little over half a minute.
I appreciate the constructive criticism, but I did feel the need to explain myself a bit more.
@@tonysonic456 An outlier is when a feat completely surpasses what the character is usually portrayed as to an extent where it stops making sense. Obviously that's pretty arbitrary and it depends on where you draw the line, but saying it's a completely illegitimate argument is just wrong. It's pretty obvious why some people wouldn't buy the higher ends for characters like sonic (especially base form) or mario when those characters are clearly not shown at a cosmic level most of the time.
As for Erazor Jin, there's plenty of things that contradict those statements. There are plenty of statements describing the arabian nights as one universe,or even the ending that talks about sonic finding his way back home by just "running".
When was it stated that individual worlds in it are universes anyway?
As for infinite, null space is described as a place where nothing exists, so it's not like creating it is anywhere near as impressive as creating a normal one. At best he would have created the ground that somehow exists there. Also, I just googled it and I couldn't find that statement, can you tell me where it comes from?
And regarding mario vs sonic, I'm not sure I follow how your point for hyper sonic wouldn't also apply to star mario being above his base form who has been shown to survive lava before, but other than that, fair enough.
And I really don't think your point about them updating their research should be that clear cut. Remember, mario vs sonic was made in the same season where they claimed universal destruction was too much for Thanos, which is obviously not something they would say nowadays. So the only example of a game sonic character after that was shadow vs ryuko, and that one could simply be an example of DB not using high ends for the winner because the fight was already clear cut (to use an example from the same season, the numbers they used for korra vs storm were billions of times below what they used for marvel characters of a similar level). I'm pretty sure some of the people working on the show have even mentioned universal feats for sonic characters at some point.
Here is something I find pretty funny about the Number 2 entry
I have heard of Madeline & Badeline VS The Ice Climbers.
Which I find to be pretty hilarious
Ice Climbers? Two Eskimos with no character to speak of and the only connection is that they both climb a snowy mountain? Really?
@@tonysonic456 y u p
Y u p
You wanna know the cherry on top of the Madeline vs Peppino shit sundae?
Literally half the of the Pizza Tower fanbase has a headcanon where he's her uncle.
LIKE, REALLY?!! WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER WANT TO KILL THEIR OWN DEPRESSED NIECE?!! OR BETTER YET, *WHAT WOULD SHE EVEN DO TO MAKE HIM ANGRY?!!!*
I mean, that much isn't canon, but it would still likely piss off the Pizza Tower fanbase.
@@tonysonic456 Nah, that ain't what I meant. On top of what you already bashed the mashup for, I'm saying that I'm even more pissed that people still think it's viable while also supporting the headcanon. Like, look at the fanon page for this matchup concept. The comments are literally ACKNOWLEDGING the headcanon that the community itself made, and STILL think this matchup is a good idea!
My list of characters for who should not be in Death Battle include:
10. Sho Minamimoto (The World Ends With You)
9. Ezio (Assassins Creed 2)
8. Yuki Makoto (Persona 3)
7. Mihawk (One Piece)
6. “Might as well get this out of the way” Any overpowered Anime character“we do not need any more one sided fights”
5. Ice King “Simon Petrakov(please correct the name if I got it wrong)” (Adventure Time)
4. Nezuko Kamado (Demon Slayer)
3. Rosemary Winters (Resident Evil)
2. Steve (Minecraft) “Why do people want him in?!”
1. N (M*rder Drones)
I think with more info on No. 7 I think Mihawk vs. Sephiroth is an amazing concept
But enough of my thoughts, what I want to know is: If given more knowledge of their feats and abilities, what Death Battle would you want to see and why? “I mean I already know Tony’s answer but I really want to know the community’s answers.”
What's wrong with Steve?
@@ninjaduck99-ho7cu Well we do not get much knowledge of who he is, what he can do, and who he should fight and no, any games besides their original due to their abilities varying. Steve is just a guy in his world with what attributes the world provides. I’m sorry but I do not want to see a Death Battle because I do not want someone many like just become ruined for the sake of him being in one. But he does fall into A potential Mihawk vs. Sephiroth situation so just know that most of these fights in the numbered entries mainly have one flaw of no well described feats so if you believe that is what Steve lacks go wild
@@Hard-Head-Guy you got a point there, but I still want Steve vs terria
If you don't mind me asking, why do you not want to see Ezio on Death Battle?
Since Xeno Trunks VS Archie Silver happened and saw many people (Sonic Fans) saying something about they did the game version some kind of justice, AND since Goku VS Superman happened for the 3rd Time and gave Goku the scaling & justice that He should deserve (That what I heard), I feel like they should do Mario VS Sonic for the 3rd but in the same thing they did Goku VS Superman 3. Giving the characters justice and giving them Multiversal Scaling that they themselves had show capable of performing & doing.
And if they do give Mario & Sonic justice and give them the love & scaling that they should, then they can bring Blaze & bring back Knuckles for Piccolo & Juggernaut & bring back Shadow for Vincent Valentine from FF
I wouldn’t say that Shadow really needs a fourth episode, but if they were to actually give Mario and Sonic the proper love and attention they both deserve, I suppose a third Mario vs Sonic wouldn’t be the worst thing ever.
Also, I personally prefer Archie Knuckles vs Juggernaut, but that’s just me.
@@tonysonic456 They can go ahead & try both matchups if DB wanted to. But yeah....
It would be pretty hard to justify giving Knuckles Multiversal scaling outside of Archie comics, given he's one of those Sonic side characters that hasn't seen many playable roles outside of maybe Frontiers.
One character that I don't want to see on Death Battle that wasn't mentioned is any Soul Calibur characters, mainly because on rewatch it really seemed like they don't care about Soul Calibur, especially since they haven't had representation since Season 2 where they had two episodes.
Also, been scrolling through the comments and I'm intrigued by all of the people talking about how they don't like the rematch between Mario and Sonic, which is funny because I am (hopefully soon) gonna be done editing a video about my favorites Death Battles and I chose not to include the episode due to it being a rematch where they don't even acknowledge the original episode.
I feel like the only animatronic you could reasonably use in Death Battle is Glamrock Freddy since he's the only one with actual combat abilities, plus he's the most modern and thus most relevant in the public eye, so I feel like he'd be the best choice to represent FNAF as a whole.
With that said the fight I wanna see most with him is
*Glamrock Freddy VS Huggy Wuggy*
They seem pretty even, at least at first glance, and I think it would be fun!
Doesn't Huggy Wuggy have like barely anything to work with?
@@tonysonic456
Yep, next to nothing. The best option would be to wait until Poppy's Playtime finishes in case Huggy comes back with more tricks up his sleeve, but as he is now, the most Huggy could do is scratch and bite at Freddy. There's even less to talk about in terms of analysis without just diverging into the lore of Poppy's Playtime as a whole.
Really I just wanna see the Death Battle because I like both characters and I wanna see them interact.
The image of a ferocious Huggy biting and clawing at Freddy who's trying desperately to protect Gregory hiding within him, blood and bolts flying everywhere sounds epic in my mind.
I admit it would work better as a normal battle animation with no analysis like in DBX
Flip you,olimar vs chibi-robo is geniunly my 3rd most wanted matchup
Chibi-Robo is gonna be scrap metal against Olimar.
@@tonysonic456 did you look at the end of chibi-robo zip-lash
@@marcelopaulo446 Yeah, and that was achieved through prep time. Something Death Battle doesn’t allow.
@@tonysonic456 was it 😮!?Whatever olimar would proably have killed him if used the raygun from the ship If they would be Willing to count that or If olimar even could get to it on time
@@tonysonic456 But wouln't arleady posses the pieces he needed to trasnofrom into that robot
Tbf Rebecca Chambers does a lot more stuff in the books and she was also in a few Resident Evil movies so I get why a lot of people want to see her in Death Battle.
Heavily agree with FNAF and Madeline though. I don't wanna see Madeline on Death Battle. But the one thing I will say is that if you did take Badeline into account then Madeline does have a lot of combat potential. Lasers, teleporting, telekinesis, giant tentacles, flight, and probably a couple of other things. Now I still don't want to see her in Death Battle but I can understand why others do.
I never read the books or saw most of the movies outside of Welcome to Raccoon City.
@@tonysonic456 Oh yeah I know I'm just letting you know that that's why Rebecca is pretty popular in matchups.
Ngl the rant during the #2 spot sounded pretty real. I haven't played that game yet but it's on the radar.
Ness and Lucas are also characters I wouldn't want to see because they both have a lack of attacking moves. You know how in Smash they both use PK Fire, Freeze (smash 4 only for Ness), Thunder, StarStorm and PSI Magnet? Yeah, they don't get those in their source material. All they have is their Melee weapon, PK Rockin/Love and PK Flash. Mother 2 and 3 are some of my absolute favorite video games of all time but their main protagonists really wouldn't make for interesting candidates on DB. I'd honestly rather see Paula, Poo, or Kumatora than Ness or Lucas.
These are good points and I agree with most of them, but the only one I disagree with is the blaze one. I just don’t think DB having scaling you think is objectively wrong is not a good reason to not have them on the show. Still I respect your opinion and your list is still good and valid
The thing is, the people who lowball Sonic characters do so with the intent of them losing. After Amy vs Ramona, any Sonic character that isn’t from the Archie comics ends up losing because their faulty research. Metal Sonic, Shadow(in Shadow vs Mewtwo), and Sonic all had the ability to win their episodes, but because of the inherent bias against Sonic in the versus community, they all lost.
@tonysonic456 I think Mewtwo beats shadow mainly because I think Mewtwo is stronger and his hax are crazy shadow is high uni in his base form tho and super shadow is multiversal or higher
I agree for sure with Frisk (Except for the Genocide route tangent, I don't want them on Death Battle, but that being the weakest version is straight up just incorrect.) and Madeline.
But another one I think should absolutely never be considered for Death Battle (at least at the moment)
is, despite their popularity, V1 from Ultrakill. (But really to that extent, the Ultrakill cast as a whole.)
Not because I don't WANT to see V1 get into Death Battle at some point
but because much like Boyfriend, the game they're from literally isn't even properly out yet.
Any scaling you could or would do in the current moment, is likely to be horribly outdated as V1 descends further into Hell, and more of Ultrakill's lore is uncovered.
Look I wanna see V1 style all over Tricky the Clown, or see Gabriel show Jebus what true divine justice looks like as much as the next guy but.
Cool your jets until the game's fully out is all I ask.
I heard the flowey vs Monika death battle what if music by Brandon yates and i liked it but I also thought when listening this wouldn't even be contest. Flowey would destroy her because with that power he became a god and could kill us 10 thousand times. monkia can just change some files around and she can't really even do that great less she risks fucking up the whole game
I can’t think of a lot of people I wouldn’t want to see on Death Battle (aside from Real People or Jesus and Gautama [Buddah]).
I don’t know if this really counts, but I wouldn’t want to see Luigi back on Death Battle if it’s just to fight Tails again. They both have better opponents and at that point it would just be Mario vs Sonic 2 again but without the debate.
IMO, if they really want to have another Mario vs Sonic matchup then just do Bowser vs Eggman and give Luigi and Tails different opponents.
Welp, here's my list:
1) Monika (DDLC): Honestly, I love the girl and all...And while I believe she's dangerous...she's kinda a pushover if we compare her to other characters that basically do stuff better than her like Najimi Ajimu or Yukari from Touhou. Though I personally believe Monika is perhaps more powerful then Sonic.EXE (The original 2011 game, at least before the creator decided to give him many forms like Frieza). But even then, those are just hax. Everything else, yeah, that's the problem, we don't know much about it. Though DDLC has mods and fangames, Monika is interpreted differently, in some she is a hopeless bitch, in others, she seeks redemption. Hell, on other mods, Monika has no powers, or in others, she has powers, but they had nothing to deal with the crazy shit we see in DDLC. So yeah, composite Monika is pretty much out of the occuasion...
2) Frisk (Undertale): Honestly, the only version of Frisk that I wouldn't have such a problem seeing would be the genocidal one. But the problem is that his personality is generic...And for whoever commented, "Why don't they make a composite version?" Well, the question is how genocidal Frisk is interpreted (And that's not even mentioning the AUs). So they might as well had an OC dressed as a genocide Frisk instead. Plus, who're they gonna fight? The batter from OFF?
3) Madeline (Celeste): I love the girl and all... But yeah, she's not much of a fighter, and even if we give her a bow and arrow from that crossover game of the people who made Celeste to begin with, that's really all she has to fight". "And yet, I can't see her fighting either. The only way to add her in Death Battle is to make her a cameo, or how about this, in a battle to the death between two characters whose thing is to climb, have them participate in a competition climbing and that Madeline is one of the participants.
4) Carmen Sandiego: Her Netflix series is one of my favorites, but, honestly, I don't think it would look good to have her kill someone. Unless you make a Composite version of all their incarnations, which wouldn't be strange, considering they've done that a ton of times.
5) Baby Mario and Baby Luigi: I know they can scale to their older selves, but just imaginating a Death battle when they had to fight to kill or they get killed...is just not conforable to watch...
6) Ayano Aishi aka Yandere chan (Yandere Simulator): For starters, it's not that I don't want to see Yandere Simulator in Death Battle because of the Yandere Dev controversies (Ok, yes that's a reason, but it's not the biggest factor why I don't want Ayano in Death Battle). The biggest factor is simple for those who know about Yandere Simulator...The game is not complete at all. And yes, Yandere Dev has a lot of videos about the lore of his characters and videos that they could use as feats, but many of these videos are just made for humor. However, Ayano does not have so many feats that could make her a worthy combatant to dedicate an analysis to in a series like Death Battle. And yes, there are many fangames, like some fanmade animated series made by fans that could be used, however, some have already been canceled, as was the case with "Lovesick" series, some don't even cover the whole plot of the game (Though some are way ahead then the game development itself) And some series, Ayano, is a completely different character than the Ayano that is usually protrated in Yandere Dev's content. It's pretty much the same argument by composing the animatronics from their canon, and their fanon stuff. The only way you could make Ayano as a fighter is either scale her to her mother...Or outright make Ryoba as a figher in Death Battle instead, since her story is basically completed
I would agree with Ayano, but only because I'm not interested in seeing the comments section full of toxicity and lame jokes.
@@opadrip Though, Personally I wouldn't mind seeing her in other videos versus animation. And honestly, the only Versus I would not mind happening id be Ayano vs Saiko Chan. Plus, Both games are unfinished.
And I would not mind if Ayano appears in DBX, since research isn't much of a factor and there's enough material to summarize about Ayano
Sir grodus needs a death battle thats something i want
You fine with it ts.
Video starts at 0:44
Edit: When you get to Number 5, just skip to 24:35. It's Blaze the Cat, and the reasoning for not wanting her is just whining and whining AND WHINING about Sonic being downplayed on the show and saying Blaze would get lowballed to avoid contradicting past episodes despite the show having done literally the exact opposite multiple times (Heihachi being put higher than Jin invalidating Ryu vs Jin, going back on the Super-era base forms being equivalent to the first showing of Super Saiyan God after Broly vs Hulk (which directly resulted in Vegeta's loss), and Universe 7's size going from 9 to 13 to 1500 times the real life universe's just to name a few.
You clearly did not pay attention to the video. In that segment, I was specifically referring to how Death Battle treats the Sonic the Hedgehog series, not anyone else. They may have gone back on previous research for Tekken and Dragon Ball, but they've yet to do that for Sonic. If they aren't tackling an Archie Sonic character, they're almost guaranteed to severely underestimate them, and as a Sonic fan who loves the franchise, I don't want that. But that's something you won't understand because you're just a rando who likes to laugh in people's faces when they lose.
@@tonysonic456I DID pay attention, douchebag. YOU'RE the one who wasn't paying attention, I used Dragon Ball and Tekken as examples of DB going back on their prior episodes to counteract your point saying they WOULDN'T do that. They went back on research for Tekken and Dragon Ball AFTER Shadow vs Ryuko came out, and for the record even then they pointed to Solaris in a blackbox to counter Ryuko's Universal scaling from the video game. Game Sonic is YET TO HAVE an episode since that point, you are operating out outdated information to say they wouldn't revise it again! And before you say it, not scaling Shadow to Solaris is a completely legitimate viewpoint given the context of the game where they NEEDED to attack his core, Eggman literally saying “If we can't stop his form, we'll stop his consciousness” after it’s pointed out, Sonic telling Elise Solaris isn't dead after the boss fight, and the two needing to blow out his flame to ACTUALLY kill him. (And the Prima Guide saying Super Sonic alone could get the job done if it wasn't for Solaris’ temporal immortality is from a third party guide that just got endorsed by Sega, and guides are not immune to fuck-ups) In a later Death Battle Cast, Sonic beat Goku 3-1 with Maginaryworld scaling. And they KEPT redoing stats for other series, Silver Chariot went from relativistic in Jotaro vs Kenshiro to 1500 times lightspeed in Dio vs Alucard, and Raven wasn't lowballed to shit again against Jean Grey.
Also, you have an intolerable degree of THOROUGHLY undeserved arrogance to even be talking about scaling in the first place. In the video you said Star Mario can't survive lava, a clear gameplay mechanic, when he's survived being launched from Earth to the Gateway Galaxy (Super Mario Galaxy's opening) and hits from foes on a Universal (base Bowser, who survived the Galaxy 1 reset and beat the shit out of Dark Bowser, a clone made from his very DNA in Bowser's Inside Story), multi-universal (Antasma, who gained his power from eating nightmares which being bad dreams would be entire dimensions, which have been shown to have actual celestial bodies and far off stars every time Giant Dreamy Luigi jumps into space to use Finishing Bros, and even accounting for Mario being boosted Antasma was in a form that fodderized Prince Dreambert, his prior equal), to Multiversal (Dreamy Bowser, who explicitly had all the power of the Dream Stone, which was made from countless dreams even WITHOUT scaling him to Dream Depot, a bigger structure than Maginaryworld as it holds every dream that is yet to exist) and beat them down with more or less equal strength, only half at absolute least if you discount Luigi's strength from the equation. Bowser? Broke his arm, foot, and cracked his shell in their battle over the credits of Bowser's Inside Story. Antasma? Kicked his ass so hard he inflated like a balloon and blew up. Dreamy Bowser? Beat the Dreamstone power straight out of him.
Since you're all for making assumptions on people, saying I like to laugh in people's face when they lose just because I dare call you out for being a whiny little bitch, I think i'll do the same and add to your hypocrisy on the gameplay mechanics front. You say Star Mario can't survive lava while in the same breath you'd say Super Sonic doesn't need rings to sustain his form because THAT'S a gameplay mechanic that shouldn't be counted when there's actual precedent in the games for it, Super Shadow telling Sonic “I'll collect the rings” when the two switch while fighting Bio-Lizard in Adventure 2 and in Shadow the Hedgehog’s final boss fight, Sonic tells Super Shadow he needs to keep collecting rings to stay in Super. You think Super Sonic lasts for hours because of Advance 1's ending when he fainted from exhaustion and reverted to base after fighting Dark Gaia for like 10 minutes in Unleashed, a later game. Oh, wait, unlike you i'm actually at least basing this on behavior i've seen instead of resorting to personal insults out of a lack of anything to fight back with.
Though, since now I know it'll get under your skin, I think if Eggman loses to Bowser i'll come back here and laugh in your face about it. I don't tend to do that, but you're the kind of cunt i'll gladly make that sort of exception for out of sheer spite. Is that harsh? Maybe. But you were the first to resort to personal attacks. Or are you so thin-skinned you think me saying you're whining was a personal attack?
Rebecca wouldn’t be good in a death battle because she a healer type, or something that find cures for virus. She is different from the character because her way of fighting is making viruses useless, for example, I think she created a vaccine for the t-virus.
Regarding FNAF being on the show
While I definitely get your point
Here’s how I can see it working
I’d see the only character they would use is springtrap
And he does have some stuff from the books
Such a remnant manipulation
technology control
and soul manipulation
and can create a giant trash kaiju
And you can have all the animatronics be used in his anylasis leading to his episode being an army fight
I guess, but do the books have any feats that are descriptive enough for him?
@@tonysonic456 well not really
As their is the whole storm BS but that isn’t Afton Doing it let alone something he should scale too
Frisk (Pasifist) vs Madeline is really your darkest timeline, eh?
6: Honestly, if DB had to pick any Fnaf character, I'd say Springtrap/William Afton as he has the closest things to feats in the series from surviving buildings burning down and being able to control soul magic. I mean, he IS the main villain of the franchise.
4: Yeah.... Bf isn't really a 'fighter' character. Pico would make more sense. I also sincerely doubt the mods will be accounted for due to their fan made status.
3: As fun as the track is, Idk if she'd work for an actual episode.
2: She's Pepino's niece. Idc if it's not canon, the answer is a hard no. Put Pepino in DB instead. Maybe she'll get a background cameo or something.
1: Spicy but somewhat fair.
I have 3.
The Iron Giant is one of ,if not my favorite movies of all time. But like, the whole point of the movie is "what if a gun had a soul and didn't want to be a gun".
Another character I don't want is Sonic.EXE, soley cause I just don't like him, that's all. I don't like him.
And Madeline is actually also on the list for almost the exact same reasons as yours.
Your list made a lot of good points, really the only one I do want is FNAF animatronics, but your reasoning is fair. (And Monika.CHR if I ever figure out how her vs Whiteface would work, cause I like the idea(
"We nearly avoided that happening to Silver"
Ah yes, the guy they gave triple infinity. Very underwhelming.
@@akramirez What I meant by that was they used Archie Silver instead of Game Silver. In that situation, they had to acknowledge how crazy powerful he is instead of deliberately downplaying him like they undoubtedly would for Game Silver.
When it comes to five nights at Freddy’s characters, having the same name does not mean they are the same character so that means you can’t combine them. You treat them as separate characters. I don’t understand why that would be a problem. Also, there are plenty of feats if you look for them for specific characters mainly in books also the fact that these are robots at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter if they’re Chuck E. Cheese style robots, they’re still stronger than a regular person, and on top of that they have speed feats due to the fact, they move between cameras in a physical location in a few frames which death battle would not be non-accustomed to using to generate a speed feat and your springtrap argument doesn’t work because spring trap has canon feats and say it with me the books also glitch trap is a separate character if you read the books It is stated that they are separate characters. You are just completely interpreting the story wrong, which I may sound like an elitist nerd which in a sense I am but there’s a difference between a interpretation and stated facts, but what do I know? I’m just some dude on the Internet.
Let me put it this way. Toy Freddy and Withered Freddy exist together as separate characters in FNAF 2, and Withered Freddy specifically gets refurbished into Classic Freddy in FNAF 1. They are explicitly separate characters with different builds; so no, you cannot combine the two. Same deal with every other variation of the others that aren't named Baby or Springtrap.
Also, you say they're stronger than the average human, yet Afton dismantled the Classics no problem. And you can't take them moving between the cameras on its face as that's not how they actually move throughout the building. Scott designed the cameras that way in order to showcase these normally kid friendly characters in a spooky way. Having them in different camera angles that allow the lighting to show off their more uncanny side, and what's more, the Clickteam engine used to make FNAF 1-UCN was extremely limited on how you could portray the FNAF casts movement. The most he could do was accomplished through the jumpscares and Foxy running down the hallway, and even then, those animations are little more than 6-frame gifs.
Also also, even if the many, increasingly terrible books have feats for Afton and others, they still aren't conveyed very well given the nature of both the medium and FNAF as a whole. FNAF is a franchise that isn't suited well for versus in the slightest, and what little you can work with wouldn't be very substantial for an episode. Though to lightly touch on the "Glitchtrap is not Afton" bit, I made a whole video tearing apart The Mimic, and one of the main sections was dedicated to destroying every major argument for Glitchtrap being The Mimic. So go watch that video if you wish to hear my thoughts.
@@tonysonic456 real quick before I go into this comment I have to say thank you for structuring your comment that way it’s very professional looking and I’m gonna be copying that no hate
Starting off at the easy part, you’re at argument that glitch trap isn’t the mimic is just a five second meme of Godzilla, screaming at Kong not an actual argument. You were just sharing your opinion which makes my opinion just as valid also in the books, a rogue AI called the mimic1 program, which is separate from the mimic robot I’m saying that glitch trap is its own character. It’s not the mimic. It’s not Afton and until steelwool prove otherwise I’m on the camp that it’s a separate character due to the helpi program and the Gregory voice which I interpret glitch trap, and the mimic arguing since they argue over who did what in the actual ruined DLC but if I get proven wrong at a later date, I will edit this comment. That’s a promise.
Next, I’m not arguing that any of the five nights at Freddy’s characters are completely completely overpowered. I’m arguing there a lot more compatible than people give them credit for. When it comes to Afton tearing apart the animatronics, I admit defeat to that the only two options that Afton is a beefcake or the animatronics have been decayed and withered overtime or their circuitry was damaged due to the night guard tampering with the suits, which is stated on the termination notice. But the animatronics have to be stronger than a regular person due to them killing the night guard in every single game and in the movie, Freddy is easily able to bite a person in half and overpower several people. Foxy speed is credible due to the movie as well where he was able to go from one end of the hallway to another in roughly 13 seconds in about 20 frames give or take most of the five nights at Freddy’s one era animatronics get their feats from the movie where it proves that they are able to move super fast either that or incredibly stealthy I suggest re-watching the movie or watching the movie for the first time if you haven’t already because most of their speed feeds and strength come from there
Moving onto the books, I admit they aren’t the greatest quality, but that hasn’t stopped the death battle crew before they have covered where you have to stretch the information and just go off of what is said Examples being the island feat for the lich king it is not shown but is stated but it is stated in the books that Afton is at least wall level Due to scaling to the sister location animatronics since he’s able to dismantle them in a one on one altercations and them being scaled to the scooper if you don’t like that as scaling, you can also use the movie yet again (my scapegoat) where he is easily able to kick around Mike who is 202 pounds about 3 to 4 feet in the air and about 5 feet and distance give or take I had to do the research on my own. I’m not saying every five nights at Freddy’s character should be on death battle far from it. A lot of the characters have no feats to go off of have no business being in the show. I’m just saying a few characters can appear on the show since yes, you have to dig deep for the feats, but they are still very capable. Also, thanks to the movie golden Freddy can walk.
I love and respect your work. I hope that this comment didn’t sour your opinion of me. I am very defensive of the argument that the five nights at Freddy’s characters have no feats I feel that it’s not completely true. I think with the right opponents death battle could make really good episodes with the five nights at Freddy’s characters and five nights at Freddy’s is to me like sonic is to you
If I could choose episodes to appear on death battle that involves five nights at Freddy’s characters, here’s what I choose
Freddy Fazbear or golden Freddy choose your pick VS Sachiko from corpse party
Springtrap vs Chucky (or the girl from Danganronpa, depending on how strong death battle thinks he is)
glamrock Freddy vs Sully from monsters Inc. I don’t know I want both of them to adopt me
The cupcake vs mama tattletale (this is a meme and also a legacy matchup that’s it. There’s no other reason why I did this like a strange personal connection due to me having a dream that this was announced and the entire community had a French revolution style execution for the people in charge of death battle, I don’t know.)
also my little brother wanted me to tell you, kinito pet versus Monica exists which I don’t believe is a good fight, but I couldn’t tell him no.
I love your work and I genuinely enjoyed the video and I enjoyed banter and I wish I could have more conversations about fights with more people, I hope to start making videos about death battle because I’m a huge fan of the work they do. I hope that my comment didn’t make you think I hated the video or I genuinely was mad. I tried to come off sarcastic but that’s hard when you’re texting and when English is your second language. I love the video and I hope to keep watching more videos in the future.
@@Da_duber I appreciate that you're being constructive with your arguments here. Lots of FNAF fans usually ridicule someone who tries to argue that FNAF doesn't work too well in Death Battle, but you're actually trying have a conversation which I respect. Now with that said, let's discuss your points.
Getting this out of the way, that meme segment wasn't meant to be an argument. That was meant to be a funny visual for how fans of The Mimic usually react when someone tries to argue that Glitchtrap is Afton and not The Mimic. The actual arguments I make for Glitchtrap being Afton is in a video I made earlier this year which you can watch at your own leisure.
Regarding the movie, Freddy biting someone in half is impressive for a robot of his build, but that's really the best feat any of the Freddies have ever shown. Even Glamrock Freddy doesn't have much in the games or the books to work with. Foxy running down the hallway isn't anything special either since we always knew Foxy was the quick one. I mean, he ran down the left hallway in FNAF 1 a little quicker already, and even then, that wasn't very fast already. At best, he could probably compete with an Olympic athlete, but that's about it.
As for the books, I will admit that Death Battle has used feats from books before, such as Sauron's island scaling like you said, but that at least had the combination of statements and official maps for reference. The FNAF books are more focused on telling whatever story they want to tell without much depiction of the actions of the characters beyond the basics. The closest you could probably get for someone like Afton is the FNAF 3 fire as maybe through some measurements in comparison to Springtrap's height you could get a VERY rough estimate of the building's size, but that's all he's got. Kicking around Mike and taking a gunshot to the chest in the movie is at least mildly impressive by human standards, but in a versus fight, it's still not the most impressive thing in the world.
As a small note for your matchups, I'm indifferent to most of them. Glamrock Freddy vs Sully does actually sound more fitting than Shrek vs Sully, but Sully has about as much to work with as Glamrock Freddy. I personally would want Springtrap to fight either Junko or Chris Walker, but I see the appeal of him fighting Chucky even if I personally don't like Chucky at all and would rather he fight Slappy. As for Monika vs Kinito Pet, your little brother can like what he wants, but that matchup sucks.
Again, I appreciate having a civil discussion about FNAF that doesn't instantly devolve into rampant yelling and repeating the same points over and over. I just personally don't see how FNAF could work in Death Battle, at least without coming off as incredibly low-tier in the best circumstances.
@@tonysonic456 after clearing that up, I think I agree with you non-entirely. I think Fnaf can work in death battle. Eventually, I just don’t think now works. Maybe after the movie trilogy is done and after like two more years if death battle has it in them because the story can’t work in the current format, all of it too much of guessing and going along with it and I think William’s gonna get better feats of strength and durability, etc. in the next movie
also my little brother is like 11 years old I don’t think he’s that good at coming up with ideas either and yes, he’s one of those Monica and death battle fans 💀
I’ll have to check out your other videos because I personally do not have a knowledge of outlast and I’ll come back to you if my opinion changes because who knows maybe that will be my preferred alt for spring trap or maybe even replace Chucky
I never really found the appeal of Chucky vs Slappy Due to me always seeing Slappy is more of a manipulator and not a fighter since he doesn’t really have that much offensive capability since he’s mostly delegated to being a leader of an army and the fact he’s not that durable, but that’s just my opinion and I can respect the fight for the fact it’s nostalgia and whatever
If we can talk about your other points in the video, not just five nights at Freddy’s I agree with your opinion on Celeste, I don’t know if I spelt that right I never really enjoyed the idea of her being in a video game fighting like death battle. It always gave me a weird feeling so I’m glad I’m not alone.
In terms of frisk, I’m indifferent I think if they were going to add her or him, (I’m just gonna say it to her) they do this weird scaling thing since all of them are technically the same person who just made different decisions so reasonably speaking, they should all scale to each other because she didn’t collect any items that specifically boosted her strength or durability, but that’s just an argument I’ve seen other people say I don’t really care about Frisk in death battle besides my preferred undertail matchups are
Pearl (Steven Universe) vs Undyine (Undertale) because lesbians with laser lances
Sans vs the judge because Duh
Asgore vs king Andreas (amphibia)
Every other character I either agree with you in or I’m indifferent too I agree that most Fandoms can be really toxic and annoying especially the Fnaf community. I’m glad we were able to have this civil discussion and it brought joy to me. At least I don’t know if you actually cared about this, by the way, do you have a video about the Chris Walker vs springtrap? I’d actually really like to see that.
@@Da_duber I don’t have a video on Springtrap vs Chris Walker sadly, but I can give you the basic rundown. Basically, they’re both incredibly gorey and vicious stalker enemies that hunt you down throughout the entire game. They also share a kind of similar greenish, grimy aesthetic due to FNAF 3’s setting being covered in green and grime and Outlast having a night vision mechanic coupled with the extremely grungey aesthetic of the location. The matchup wouldn’t have much room for Springtrap’s wider arsenal of abilities, but it’s perfect for using just base Springtrap in a ruthless, gorey fight to the death. If you’re 18+, I recommend checking out Outlast. It’s a great horror game.
The Undertale matchups you brought up are all good, but I will say that compositing Frisk wouldn’t change the fact that they’re a pacifist at their most powerful. Frisk would still be forced to either go against their morality or be unfairly scaled as a workaround, and I would never want that.
Nice talking with you by the way.
someone im not sure how the heck they would do is isaac from the binding of isaac, all of his feats are him allusinating due oxygen deprivation
zamn i got a heart epic
As the biggest undertale fan you will probably know I 100% agree with you that frisk should not be on death battle. Not only that ruins their character a lot but there's not a lot of characters that would fit the bill to fight frisk. The only person I would actually be okay with is postal dude but that's only because I think it's funny as a match up but it's also has a better chance of showing Frisk innocent side they have Mercy the most evilest people in the world And postal dude is a guy that is kind of a jackass sadly that doesn't mean he lose that battle but can easily be Mercy. I don't understand the hype for this character being on death battle when there's so many better undertale characters that deserves to be on it like my boy papyrus. Just let the innocent very kind child not be on death battle we already experienced Aang we don't need to go through that again.
TBF, Papyrus has similar problems to Frisk in that he’s too soft to kill people. That’s his main character flaw throughout the entire game.
@@ronaldmatos1516 well you are right that he wouldn't kill someone I still feel like he could still fight someone unlike frisk they can go the SpongeBob route where he can fight for Honor and realize that he went too far making it as a sad emotional death.
I wanna shake your hand just for saying “nuclear” right. For some reason, so many people pronounce it as “nukyular”
i can see all the other takes. but i just cant agree on #1 not being useable, and i think it would be better than a chara pick, as chara only has 2 canonically confirmed feats and very little action in the game aside from the story setup and the game erasure in genocide. frisk has had full analysis videos done on them since 2015. and unlike the fnaf animatronics you could combine all potential outcomes of frisk into one "best version" as death battle has done in the past. i think frisk would be a good pick, not as good as the monsters but still useable. who frisk would go against is the problem for me.
You're not the first to suggest compositing Frisk, and I'll say the same thing I said to them. It doesn't matter if you composite all the Frisks. My point was that Frisk is at their best when they don't fight, and even if you combine PaciFrisk, NeutraFrisk, and GenoFrisk together, it won't matter because PaciFrisk is still the best. How exactly are you supposed to use a character at their best in a Death Battle when their best feats are when they DON'T fight? It just doesn't work, and frankly, I don't want it to work. The last thing I want to see is a child known for being so pure, kind-hearted, and determined that they subdued a literal god of hyperdeath with pure kindness either die an unavoidable death or break their moral code and kill someone. It just doesn't sit right with me no matter how many people try to say otherwise.
@@tonysonic456 You can still use those feats even if its when they are on the pacifist route. also let me hit you with this. frisk does not make the decisions in undertale. the player does. this is directly shown in both undertale and deltarune that you are the decision maker. also, idk if you know this, but frisk is strongest in the genocide timeline. giving them faster than light speed reflexes, and it has been explained that at lvl 19-20, you would have enough power to start dealing damage to even a deity like asreil dreemur. also, frisk has NO MORAL CODE. there is no evidence to spite that frisk is unwilling to do anything except die. everything in undertale is done through curiosity and this is show through multiple 4th wall breaks in the game. child or not, they are both a pacifist, and a genocidal maniac, and everything in between. it has been shown that no matter if you reset, the actions you have done in previous timelines do not go away. last but not least it should be possible to increase lv without killing monsters, as lv is known in game as "your willingness to harm others" you should be able to change your lv manually. (though this has only been theorized but still possible to use) so given this it is possible to combine all 3 versions of frisk with their pacifist feats, genocidal tendencies, and allow all possible actions to be taken.
@@evangerbracht3396 First of all, did you even read what you typed? "Combine pacifist feats with genocidal tendencies." That makes no sense. Your theory about raising LV manually is disproven by the fact that the only way you can ever raise your LV is by killing. LV dictates your willingness to kill, and by killing more and more monsters, that LV goes up. On the flip side, by being a pacifist and not killing anybody, your LV remains stagnant, and that makes it impossible to combine the two in a reasonable way.
Second of all, GenoFrisk is absolutely NOT the most powerful Frisk. No monster GenoFrisk ever fights gets even remotely close to same power level as Asriel, and the erasure of the universe is done by Chara, not Frisk. Also, "faster than light speed"? Where is that shown? Sans' Gaster Blasters? Those can't be dodged after they've been fired, and Frisk has ample time to get out of the way before they're fired. Also also, where exactly is explained that LV 19-20 Frisk could harm Asriel? Because I've played Undertale an unhealthy number of times and never came across that little tidbit of information.
Thirdly, yes, I'm well aware that Frisk is just the player stand-in. HOWEVER, the image Frisk has painted over the years is what matters in this context. When people think of Frisk, they'll most likely think of the pacifist who saved a whole race through pure kindness and compassion. Not everyone would, of course, but given Undertale's popularity, it's safe to assume most people would associate Frisk with the Pacifist Route. Plus, the image that we paint Frisk in-universe also matters. Sure, we CAN make them a genocidal maniac, but it's heavily implied that the canon ending of Undertale is the Pacifist Route. The route where to all the denizens of the Underground, Frisk is the sweetest child in the universe, and the very idea of someone like that being put in a position where they have to kill or be killed, WHICH IS THE VERY THING FLOWEY WAS TRYING TO PUSH THROUGHOUT THE GAME, bothers me to the point of not wanting Frisk on the show. Clearly, you do since you're arguing that Frisk can be used, but to me, Frisk being on Death Battle deeply disturbs me. Is that such a crime??
Also, as a footnote, when you complete the Pacifist Route, you have the option of True Reset which erases everybody's memory of all the routes you did.
@@tonysonic456 you clearly have not watched any analysis videos on Undertale. so ill say this. your dying on your hill I'm dying on my hill. you think I'm wrong, and i think your wrong. so just like the presidential debate, we could go round and round with this shit, where neither one of us are going to budge, so ima be the big man here and just say lets agree to disagree. I got better shit to do then debate on whether a damn fictional game character should go in a yt fighting video.
Damn this is a good list! Though I honestly think more Sonic characters wouldn't be bad... I wanna see Big the Cat vs Snorlax! ;)
As far as for me, there are a few characters I want to not see on Death Battle for one reason or another:
*Phoenix Wright* - Love him, love the series, but how do you scale a lawyer whose only real combat is UMvC3, a game where Galactus, arguably the most powerful character in all of the universes... gets beaten down by fists, claws, and objections?
*Any character they put in just to be mean to* - I was not a fan of Spongebob vs Aquaman, because the whole episode boiled down to "haha, this character sucks, let's be MEAN for about 30 minutes for comedy! I'm fully against them putting in Scrappy Doo, Jar Jar Binks, Sakura from Naruto, Michaelangelo, Mineta, real people, or anyone else they don't like just so they can have a one-sided laugh. And speaking of which...
*Sakura from Naruto* - I haven't watched Naruto, but the amount of sheer unadulterated hate I see for her is unreal. If Death Battle puts her in, I want them to take her seriously, as seriously as they did with Amy Rose (since she was fairly unpopular for a while).
*Pomni from Amazing Digital Circus* - People, they only have two episodes out, please give them some more time before throwing her into ANOTHER subtly horrific show!
*Any little children or babies* - Jack Jack, Pichu, Anya, Eri, PLEASE don't go into little children killing each other.
*Kokichi Oma from Danganronpa* - While I am for Danganronpa characters getting into Death Battle, Kokichi, while an awesome character, isn't the fighting type. He schemes, plots, manipulates, and uses what is there... but other than being the Ultimate Liar, how does he FIGHT someone?
*TF2 vs Overwatch fights...* - If the SOLE purpose is to dunk on Overwatch to appease the haters. The hate-crowd should not be appeased.
*Any real life serial killers or dictators* - This is a place for those with skills and fandoms. Real life murderers don't have skills, they just murder people, people who were real living breathing people; it's not fictional, and it shouldn't be glorified.
And finally, one of my biggest hot takes...
*Papyrus from Undertale* - In all of Undertale, the only character who cannot kill Frisk is Papyrus; even Turiel can accidentally kill them. I know a lot of people love him, myself included, but this is just like Pacifist Frisk. He literally cannot bring himself to kill a human, no matter how hard you try to make him kill you. So I personally feel it'd be best if he stayed out of it. :)