My hunting group uses 270, 308, 30-06, and 300wm for our yearly moose hunt. Each of us are very comfortable with our rifles and never lose or wound animals.
I have all of those cartridges. JUST got the Tikka 300WM earlier this year. Haven't had one in decades. Very happy with it and the factory Norma ammo - 180 Bondstrike and 150 Whitetail, 1/2 MOA with both, using Zeiss scope
Meh, most aren't shooting anything outside of the 125, 150, 165, and 180gr. The 338s have 165-300gr. The 165 and 180gr can be loaded down to 06 level and do everything it will do, and on the high end you can crank it up quite a bit for every non-dangerous game species, and dangerous game besides elephants and hippos. I guess the 06 has 110gr bullets for varmints, but I'd bet less than 1% of 06 shooters are shooting 110gr bullets in any hunting application. Pretty much like Petzal said, the 338 is like an 06 with more muscle in reserve when needed. The 06 has it's place, but all this versatility I hear about seems to only consider animals up to about elk or grizzly size.
I’m a .270 Win man. I just love the cartridge - almost recoil free, flat shooting hard hitting and most suitable for medium to large soft skinned game. Almost perfect deer rifle.
Recoil free?? 😂 idk what kind of gun you have cause my .270 kicks like a damn mule a hate having to sight it in. Everybody I know that has one say theirs kicks bad too.
@@sethpujol1704 Mine isn't bad especially compared to a magnum, definitely a case by case basis as different shooters have different tolerances for recoil and model to model 2 guns in the same cartridge won't kick the same.
@@sethpujol1704 Yeah it's definitely not recoil free. It's got a snappier recoil than my .308, because my rifle is a lightweight mountain build, I put a Limbsaver recoil pad to help.
I hunt the high plains of Colorado and Wyoming for Pronghorn and Plains Deer. I shoot a bolt action Howa, marked "Smith and Wesson" in .270 with 22 inch bbl. The cartridge is a hand load stoked with 130 gr. Speer "Grand Slam" bullet, C.C.I "200 large rifle primer and 57 gr. IMRI 4831 powder. Average shot distance: 200 yards. Longest one shot kill: 485 paces. At nearly 76 years of age, I can still consistently shoot a 4 to 5 inch diameter at 300 yards....For how much longer? We shall see!!! Thanks for "Cartridge Talk".... Good dialogue!
@@Mark-qq7io Yes, it is a hot load. According to the manual, velocity is right at 3,100 fps. CUP measures 61,700 shot from a 24 in. test barrel. That being said; in 20+ years shooting this load, I've never experienced any problems with case extraction, flattened or cratered primers.
I shoot the same load just about 57.5 gr IMR431 and either a 130gr Speer SP or Nosler Partition. 3180 fps out of my Winchester M-70 Super Grade, Longest shot 400 yards on a Mule Deer in the Fort Peck Area of MT. Not quite as old, I am 68. At least that what my Chronograph tells me out of a 24 inch barre. 165 gr bullets out of a 30-06 and I have one, I really can't tell the difference.
I have used both. As far as deer hunting goes, most hunters will never see a difference.Most deer shooting is done at less than 200 yards. In my experience anyway. Either of these great rounds have more power than you need at that range.
Yup. For common hunting distances within 50-150yds, any centerfire rifle cartridge will kill deer effectively. For 200-300yds, short barrel 6.5 Grendel will get it done cleanly. Out to 400yds, you can use a bit longer Grendel, 18" or more, .243 Win, 6mm Creedmoor. Once you pass that point, you might consider stepping up to 6.5CM, 6.5x47L, .260 Rem, 7mm-08, or 7x57. If you're looking at 600-800yds, time to go 6.5 PRC, 7mm Mag, 7 WSM, 7 SAUM, or 7 PRC. I don't see much use for the early 1900s cartridges and rifles anymore, other than nostalgia. I have .270 Win and .30-06. The main reason I wouldn't use them anymore is that I just don't train with them these days.
Why compare carriages using different types of guns? A semi is not as accurate and has less energy than a bolt action. Carriage comparisons should be with the same brand and the same type of gun.
True. But the topic of the video is which cartridge is better for DEER, specifically; and the .270 plausibly has the edge. However, if one is to have only one rifle for all big game, most hunters, and these two guys, would certainly opt for the 30-06.
@@phild9813 the trouble with many 6.8 projectiles is the higher weight needs a faster twist rate. That's why the 270 never had options beyond 150 to begin with.
@@rball690 : For the vast majority of deer, I agree. For big northern whitetails that are often over 300 lbs., the 25-06 is certainly adequate, albeit on the light side. It doesn't sell as well as perhaps it should, which is why it wasn't discussed in this video.
I'm a 270win guy. Got a savage axis with a Boyds stock. Hasn't let me down. However, now that I have young kids getting into it, I've been shooting 350legend cuz my 6 year old can shoot it no problem and it does destroy deer just the same. Overall if it kills, it kills. And if it brings me food it brings me food. Great video guys!
LOL, you guys are awesome, and also killing me. For DEER? I mean...I'm .30-06 til I die...but I can't imagine a world in which the .270 could be considered anything but excellent for deer.
@@exothermal.sprocket if your talking numbers killed OK but if you are referring to performance of the actual projectile than the 30-30 is lacking. If hit equally the 30-30 has far worse ability.
@@rball690 Within the range of the .30-30, I seriously doubt it. In fact due to the velocity and diameter of the .277 bullet by comparison, and the spitzer shape of it, it's less reliable doing the same things as the .30-30 is supposed to do.
@@exothermal.sprocket I was talking about the 25-06 but the same applies. Has the 30-30 killed many deer yes but the bullet performance isn't the reason. Shear numbers of shots is. When you look at retained energy or flatness of the shot round there is no comparison. I have seen too many deer wounded by 30-30's.
Well, I have been shooting a 30,06 since 1980. I dont see a reason to change now. Yall hit the nail on the head. 30,06 was used in the military from 1906, all the way into Panama in the 80s, when the military switched to the .308. I am perfectly happy using my 100 plus year old technology.
Thoughts: I’d take the .30-06 for elk/moose/bear, the .270 for deer/pronghorn (out west). Where I live in the east, .308 is about as much as most people need.
303 Brit A favorite for keeping people from being polar bear food for well over 100 years. Massive energy dump and always goes bang... Even in -40 temperature..
Thank you. Excellent knowledeable facts shared in detail. I been using 270 for quite a while on whitetails. Never ever had a problem. used 150 to 135 bullets. all good.
Hi Everyone... I've used the .270 win. from the top of the world to the bottom of the world(Yukon to South Africa). From Tennessee ground hogs to Yukon moose, grizzly bear, caribou. In Zimbabwe and South Africa, from tiny dik dik to 2,000 to 2500 lb Eland. All one shot kills except a big water buk that I shot too low in the chest. Aftet a VERY long tracking session and avoiding a lion pride, a second shot to the back of the head did the job. Finn Aagaard and Jack O'Connor both wrote about shot placement as the critical consideration in killing power. Aagaard stated that 90 percent of killing power is shot placement...the other ten percent is the unknown. I agree with O'Connor and Aagaard. I killed my cape buffalo with one shot using a 9.3 x 62 Mauser. It is a 1905 cartridge of German origin. No one can tell the difference in killing power between the 9.3 x 62 vs the .375 H&H Magnum. The .270 win has good sectional density. For example, the 130gr .270 is equal to a 165gr .308 caliber bullet. I treasure the memories of seeing just how wicked and deadly the .270 Win is in the field.
I’ve been killing deer with a common 150 grain cup and core 270 for over fifty years with several others mixed in just for fun. I’ve never been a world wide hunter and never will be but I’ve got many rifles I could use if if was possible. Most recently acquired was Husqvarna 9.3x62 just because I wanted it to compare to my 35 Whelen. You mentioned both Jack O’Connor and Finn Aagaard. Jack really concentrated on shot placement and using the right cartridge for the game. Many internet no-nothings think Jack only hunted with the 270 which is far from the truth. Jack hunted with everything from 250 Savage to a defunct number called the 450 Watts Magnum which was equal to the 458 Lott. His favorite for dangerous game was the 416 Rigby but in his Complete Book of Rifles and Shotguns he wrote that if he could have only one rifle to hunt the world over it would be a 375 H&H Magnum. Of course he went on to say that if he was allowed a second rifle it would be a 270 Winchester!😊
Yep! Both of these experienced hunters knew that bullet placement was the most important aspect of killing power. I personally believe, from experience, that cup and core bullets kill a wee bit faster than the copper expanding bullets. Perhaps 4-5 seconds at the best. Yet, I've seen animals killed in their tracks with copper bullets. I've shot the .270 Win for sixty one years now(age 71 now). Most of the bullets have been Hornady reloads. No complàints as I've noticed Hornady bullets kill extremely fast. Dead in their tracks(deer) and complete penetration most of the time. Have fun with the 9.3. The 35 Whelen may not give any/very little ammo choices internationally. The 9.3 has once again become a popular international cartridge with good ammo choices internationally.
@@glennrcampbell4411 I used the 150 grain Hornady Spire Point in front of 56 grains of H4831 in my Ruger M77 270. Usually bang flop. Never shot anything over 300 yards. Rarely over 200.
I am left with the impression, from observation, that cup and core kill a wee bit faster on medium game. Perhaps three or four seconds faster....hard to say.
I have shot both calibers for many years, and own rifles in both calibers. Both of them are winners in my opinion. That being said, I use my 270 more than my '06. For varminting I use a hand load with the Sierra 90gr HP and IMR 3031. Absolutely devastating! For deer any good 130gr bullet will get it done. My 270 is a Marlin XL7. Love that gun! Great video!
🤷♂️ In All Fairness, The Wound Channel of the 30-06 looks a "Little Bigger" in both cases! But, You Would Also Expect That When Your Using Heavier Bullets Too! Additionally, Testing a Bullets Performance At "Close Range" isn't Going to Be An Accurate Representation of What Happens at 400 Yards Either! That, is Where the 270 Will Shine! And, Yes, I Own Both Cartridges and Both Have Their Own "Applications"/"Specialities"! 🤗
But, For Deer and Antelope, Give Me the 270 Winchester! 🦌 For, Bison and Bears, Then It Is The 30-06! 🐮🐻 For Elk, Either, As I Have Killed Big Bulls With Both! 🤠
Jack O Conner loved the 270 but he also used the 3006 on many occasions he was a big advocate of using the proper tool depending on the game hunted, he shot over a dozen grizzlies with the 3006 and Jack admitted the 3006 was more versatile.
🕵️♂️ Versatility in bullet selection YES, But performance in similar bullet weights NO! Why? Because, in Common Bullet Weights, the 270's Bullets Have Higher B.C.'s and Higher Sectional Densities (It Shoots Flatter and Penetrates Deeper)! It Just Depends Upon What You Are Trying to Accomplish! I Own Both Calibers, So I Know - From Almost 50 Years Of Using Them! I Would Choose the 30-06 for a 50 yard shot on 3,500 lb Bison and the 270 Winchester for a 500 yard shot on a Pronghorn Antelope! Different Tools for Different Needs! 🤷♂️ Neither is "Really Better" for Everything - is the Lesson That Should be Learned! 👨⚖ Proper Bullet Selection is What Matters Most - Not Caliber or Cartridge - is the Lesson That Should Be Understood Here! 👨🎓
@ronlowney4700 I think the 7mm Magnum is the equivalent to the 3006, in a lot af areas. I can load my Remington 700 in 7mm Magnum from 120 grains to a plethora of bigger bullets. Either way, all of the mentioned cartridges are more than capable of taking most game.
I have both, love both, and there isn’t a deer walking that they won’t take care of. Based on the criteria and my personal experiences, the 270 is just hard to beat. That screaming 130 just tends to lay deer down, whether it’s a traditional soft point or my favorite ttsx’s
Started with a Winchester mod 70 in 270 cal, still using it as my primary rifle. Every now and then I'll use my 30-30 or 7mm 08 just for a change. Love all three.
Tough one to call 270 recoil/drop drift, 30-06 versatile/availability. Going to come down results on gel block. These are my favorite Vortex nation content, another one I’ll watch 10 times!! 👍👍 6.8 western vs 6.5 prc next?
Both are great rounds for deer. I went 270 but that decision was based more on the Rifle I got a good deal on than the caliber. Brand new Remington 700 for $200.
I have the Remington 700 BDL in .270 and a Weatherby Vanguard in 30-06, I shoot both in 150gr and both love it sub 1 Moa on both rifles. I will switch between both of them for deer hunting and coyote hunting. They both work and do the job, however shoot ability goes to the .270 as it’s a solid wooden stock, the 30-06 is a synthetic stock and recoils more. The accuracy both are the same, I have found the 30-06 can eat different weighted bullets better than the .270 as it takes more adjustment on the scope to sight in. So pick one and you win period :) love this debate with die hards on both sides :)
I have said it before, the .270 is the BEST cartidge for North America. Lower recoil, but immense power. Get one of the new Browning rifles with a 1/7.5" twist, run a 155gr Terminal Ascent or 155gr LRX bullet and goodness gracious you can take ANYTHING in North America with less recoil and drop than a .30-06 and a .308. .270 FTWin
I'll stay a 06 fan and owner. My favorite bullet weight is a 165 gr spitzer boat tail of whatever construction is readily available. With that bullet it compares more closely to the 270 with 130 gr bullet.
Deer can’t tell the difference. I have an 06 my buddy has .270 my deer usually drop while his run. Could be shot placement and ammo too. Would trust both calibers with me shooting lol.
An interesting historical note is that in the early days of the 270, it was known for dropping deer in their tracks whereas the 30-06 was not. This is largely due to the lower performance of bullets and powders available at the time. The higher velocity of the 270 tended to create a larger temporary cavity and stun the animal which would often die before regaining movement. Even in this test, the 270 seemed to do more damage in the first few inches. It is important to note that the performance of both cartridges has increased dramatically since the 1920's, so DRT animals are now common with both.
Since I'm on the East Coast, I'll stick with my early 80's Remington 700 in 7mmO8. I have other rifles in 5.56, 243, 6.5, 308, 30O6, and 7.62× 54R. I'll probably never have the need for the heavier calibers while living here.
😎 That has always been my philosophy and then you can decide for yourself! That is what I did with the 30-06 and 270 - I prefer the 270 Winchester, but both are different tools and both work Great and have different applications! 😃
Back in the mid-90's, I purchased my first deer rifle, it is a Remington 700 stainless detachable mag 24" 270 win. I ask the store clerk who is a native American hunting guide on several plantations, which was the best weight ammo, answer 130 grain! He have seen more quick with this weight.
.30-06 or .270 will do the job on deer or elk (use appropriate grain bullet). I used the .30-06 for years on deer, antelope, and elk. These days, I use the .243 for deer and antelope as it is easier for my old body to carry.
I am a little nervous taking my .270 win with these same 130gr copper bullets on an elk hunt, but this video made me feel a lot more confident about doing it.
Dude people have taken thousands of elk with a .243 Winchester…. With cup and core bullets. The .270 is more than adequate for elk and moose, especially with copper and bonded bullets. You could take ANYTHING in North America with the .270 Winchester. Nothing to worry about, you do not need a magnum.
Great video! I have one of each. Both are plenty medicine for whitetails. I shoot a little better with my 270, so it's my go to deer rifle. However, if I was to get a chance to go elk or moose hunting, I'd probably opt for the 06 and heavier bullets.
130 copper solid or Bonded bullet in the .270 would work as well or better. Suppress it and glass it with a large exit pupil option to see if you can spot your own hit. I have them all, but as much as I love my Pre-64 Mod 70 in .270 Win, it just sits in the case. My 7yr-old bugged me about taking it out, so I'll let him experience my same childhood joy of blasting water jugs with 130gr SP going Mach 3.
Throughout all the different cartridge talks and cartridge comparison videos out there, the fact that every content creator has to pin/ compare any cartridge up against the 30-06 as the median/ standard, tells you everything you need to know about the 30-06. It's the benchmark to which every cartridge aims to be, yet can never equal in terms of its versatility, availability, cost and effectiveness on game, targets, steel, world wars and alien invasions. The real winner everytime will be the 30-06 just for showing up.
My conclusion: Keep rocking the 270 and don't "upgrade" to copper ammunition. I have had great results with basic cup/core bullets like the interlock and ELDX. Last deer killed with a 145gr eldx still had a fat exit wound at 309 yards.
With bullet design and engineering having advanced to the point that it has most bullets will behave similarly within the first 3-6 inches after hitting the target. So cartridge selection becomes more a matter of how much mass and velocity is required to get the job done.
20 years ago I turned a Canadian whitetail outfitter into a believer who initially didnt think that my 270 was up to the task on their giant whitetails. After turning the vitals into gelatin with a single Nosler Ballistic Tip, he was absolutely wowed by the performance.
.270 Win and .30-06 are both overkill for deer, with loss of your sight picture when you break the shot. This means you need a trained spotter to be on glass when you break the shot to see where your impact was. Exceptions are if you're shooting mulies at distances from 400yds+, where .270 Win shines with its trajectory. If a hunter wants to see their hits within 300yds, it's better to go with something lighter-recoiling that you can practice with.
I’m not sure how you draw the conclusion that .270 or 06 are overkill for deer. I’ve killed deer with both and I can’t see it’s been blown apart by either caliber. Usually I hear more about damage when someone uses 7mm or 300 wm or bigger.
@@usa-rb5fi It's not the terminal performance, but the sight picture behavior if you want to see what happened. If you don't care or are relying on a trained spotter to see your impact and what the animal does after the shot, they're fine. Muzzle blast, recoil, and muzzle climb with .270 Win and .30-06 are excessive, and also don't allow you to practice with them regularly unless you shoot light, reduced power loads. Rifles that are difficult to practice with don't allow you to build confidence, but this can be offset if you have another small caliber rifle set up the same way, same trigger, same type of sights/optic. I've been shooting .270 Winchester and .30-06 since 1983, love the .270's flat trajectory and how it vaporizes water jugs, but I don't shoot them anymore. My youngest has been begging me to take the .270 out, so we're doing that this week.
I'll stick with my 06 thank you. 130 gr Barnes ttsx and a proper charge of IMR 4064 at 3150 fps will compete with the 270 all day long at ranges I'd shoot. I've owned and used both and can't tell any difference in recoil with either and 130gr projectiles.
This is actually the kind of comparison most would like to see because both have long been used in hunting. And yes, the .30-06 has been around longer and would always be more available. But young and snappy upstart can come along and supercede it. In my own informal comparisons, I have several .308 Wins. But I know my 7 PRC outperforms it. So, I am looking forward to the podcast episode on this set of evidence.
A 45-70 loaded with 350 grain bullets flat nose at 1900 fps has good amount of recoil. Far more than factory 405 grain at 1400 fps. I used the 350 grain flat nose with marlin guide gun. Makes a nice 150 yard rifle. You need to reload. Or buy buffalo bore ammo. Factory stuff on shelf is weak.
I think if you are going to get your first rifle and it comes down to to these to cartridges. Which ever model of gun is best for your budget should be your pick. I went with the 270 because My dad shoots that. And I wanted to have interchangeable ammo so there was no confusion.
The 280 Remington shooting 140 Partitions or Accubonds in the high 2900’s agreed no mulie or pronghorn. EDIT: I think, based on experience from western hunting, any bullet weight above 165 grains from a 30-06 is not really the best choice for deer sized game.
@@Accuracy1st I use a Leupold CDS scope with 140 Accubonds at 2965 from a 24” barrel. I don’t get too wrapped up in velocity since this load typically gives me less than 5/8” groups. I’ve killed pronghorn and mulies at 400 yards with this setup and almost all were one shot kills.
@@nmelkhunter1very nice. I don't get wrapped up on speed much but Superformance is new to me as of 2022 and I first tried it in my 270s and was amazed. It shines with lighter wt bullets, 110s, 129s, 130s so I thought I'd try it with the lighter wt 140s in my 280s and it did not disappoint accuracy or velocity or consistency. My one 280 Rem I still have is a 1/2" rifle with NBTs and Superformance
I was finally able to get my hands on a Ruger M77/270. I quickly took it to my local gunsmith and had it re barreled with a .275 Rigby barrel from Shilen Barrels. 270 is a wonderful cartridge but I don't need one or really want one. At this time it costs to much to set myself up with dies and other 270 loading tools.
I would still like to see 30 06 130 grain TTSX performance in gel. I was really hoping you would include that in this comparison. They're both great cartridges, I have rifles chambered in both and I wouldn't complain about either one!
This debate is so old and ridiculous but compared to all the new stuff that everyone's trying to sell they are still the two best cartridges excluding my favorite a 7 mm mag which I think is the perfect but everyone's still continues to watch and love these debates. Go on forever
Love the comparisons. Would like to start seeing the classics vs their replacements, 270 win vs 6.8 western. Would be interesting to compare the classic systems vs modern systems i.e. bakes, suppressors, modern recoil pads, rifle ergonomics and the difference that makes to the shooter. Seems that is the difference that is most affecting shooters today versus slinging a X gr bullet at X speed.
Enjoyed the video, Having used both for deer, I believe it's a personal preference. 270 may edge the 06 in fields, or longer range, but if you hunt brush, the 06 edges the 270. Both great cartridges. I would be comfortable with either
Can I suggest using bullets of equal or approximate SDs when comparing different calibers. I think doing this would make the gel test a more accurate comparison. In this particular comparison of the 270 vs. 30-06 that would be the 130gr @ 0.242 SD against the 165gr @ 0.248 SD.
I have both and they are both exceptional, but you really need to shoot them out of the same rifle, my 30/06 woods-master with a 20 inch barrel has less recoil than my .270 700 custom 26 inch. They are just different tools. Nice to have both. Both those loadings are great
I have used both too. I am a hardcore 30-06 man. But in comparable scenarios I doubt a hunter can tell a difference. Both are more than enough. I will not say one is better than the other for deer. Either are a great choice. I bet your 20" 30-06 has some great history!
@@winstonjones7519 It does, my Grandfather had it before me, it was his first scoped rifle, he filled the filled the freezer for years with it, it’s much more accurate than people give it credit for. It very smooth easy to get on target in the thick woods, I wouldn’t hesitate to take it out anytime.
I'd really like to see 2 more categories added to the test. 1 number of rifles models currently in production. 2 cost of feeding your rifle and availability to purchase, or do consider this within the shootability score(if you want ties with 6 categories) Lastly thank you for staying with just hunting loads and no match ammo
SILLY to compare a 180 grain elk cartridge to a 130 grain deer cartridge. The only meaningful comparisons would be 130 gr .270 v. 150 gr .30-06, and 140 or 150 gr .270 v. 165 gr. '30-'06.
My buddy last year shot bull elk 360 yards 130 grain 270 copper bullet and it punch through the shoulder bone and clipped the other shoulder and passed right through dropping him dead in his tracks I was astonished
Would frontal diameter play any role in entrance hole diameter and therefore blood loss ? And would penetration be different if bone was involved vs a gel ?
Yes, as larger diameter holes in objects allow for more air in and more blood out. The long of it is, shot placement is going to matter more. Also, yes the bone would cause more resistance on the projectile which would influence the amount of penetration.
I've used 270 for 20 years on deer out to 300yd with Sierra 130gr game kings. Always an exit wound, never had to track one. Shot the barrel out last year (I practice a lot) and switched to a 243. Not impressed with the penetration but it did ok on a broadside at 120yd. I'll have to look into loading copper solids, see if that gets better results. Also looking at a 7.5 twist 270 which could be great with copper solids.
Six of one, half-dozen of the other. I love my .270 Win, but if I had bought the same rifle in .30-06, there's nothing I've done with that rifle that I wouldn't have been able to do.
Let's talk about the Nosler Partition. 180gr in the 30-06 did a great job on the deer here in PA last year. Used the 125gr Partition out of a model 7 6.5 creedmoor that was great too
The comparison no one seems to want to do is .270 Winchester vs. 6.5 Creedmoor. Using the 500 yard data from different Vortex videos, the .270 has substantially less drop at 500 yards than the NeedzMore. Drift is virtually identical. Energy on target at 500 yards appears to go to the 6.5 Creedmoor. However, I want to see the data at 100, 200, and 400 yards because I believe that is more relevant for 95% of hunters.
Being South African, the .270 has such nice versatile hunting application using only one bullet weight, 130gr. You can hunt all the same bigger (affordable) game, but it just makes a way nicer springbuck rifle.
I Live here in Maine and I Hunt Deer with a 270 Remington Semi- Automatic 7400 Series with a 4-12 44 Mag Scope using 150 Grain Federal Ammunition. I Love it!! AWESOME GUN!! 👌 👏 👍 😍
😎 The 270 Winchester, Hands Down! 🤑 I Own Both, and I Wouldn't Limit That Statement to Just "Deer" - Unless Your Saying "Deer Family" - To Include Elk and Moose Too? 😯 Both Do a Fine Job Though! 👨⚖ I Just Hope That You Picked Quality Bullets To Test? 🕵️♂️
@@ronlowney4700 and putting the bullet in the right spot with a knowledgeable shot. My brother once launched a 470 yard shot at a running cow elk with a 270. I don’t know how he brought her down because that was a serious Hail Mary tug on the trigger. I’d spent time on the range with him and he wasn’t generally able to make shots like that. Sometimes pure dumb luck or the grace of God put meat on the table.
The Remington Core Locked is my all time favorite in my Tikka M65 270. I can easily shoot MOA and if I do my part I can get 1/2 groups using 150 grain ammo.
I have both and both were given to me. 06' has been in the family for a long time and is a heavier rifle. I'm hoping to get an elk with it. My 06' happens to prefer 165 gr Core-Lokt tipped ammunition, the 270 happens to like 150 gr federal ammunition. Both are responsible for putting venison in the freezer. 😁
I'm a big fan of the Remington core lock tipped 165 gr in my 30-06 it shoots really really well and I've put it out there to 800 yards and grouped really nice 5 shots on a 18" steel target...Granted I was aiming 50' into the sky line but it grouped out of my Mauser 98 action with a 26" Douglas #4 barrel using a EC tuner muzzle break.... Also using the tuner I didn't have to do any adjustments using the Remington ammo.... But all the others that I have used need a little dialing to get the groups tighter but also I believe it has to do with muzzle velocity that did increase with my other options.
That's funny, because my 06' is a Mauser action. It originally came over from Europe when my (technically step grandfather) and his buddy were in WWII. It was originally an 8mm. There was a company out of CA that was converting the rifles to 06' (the US Standard issue). Now I have it. It does not like 150 gr or 180 gr rounds. I can only shoot 165's and it really likes the Core-Lok tipped.
@@VortexNation Would really appreciate it. I was looking at caliber for 300 yard and in deer and elk rifle. I was surprised to see the 6.5 PRC has a 143 grain ELD-X and the 270 Win a 145 ELD-X.
Right now i have a beautiful remington 7400 in 270. made mid 90's I'm selling for a friend. Hasn’t had 60 shots through it. I dont know what to do. I'm thinking about buying it but I have 2 06s, 308,243. 06 is the best all around you can find
Dropped my elk this with a 130gr .270 this year. Through and through wound cavity and the lower recoil and flatter shooting made it easier to hit a clean shot which is honestly the most important thing in this match. If you can shoot, neither will fail you, but ill stick with the 270 for a while, I think.
Good comparison. I have the Browning Bar in 30-06 without the muzzle device. (My wife wanted me to have a “pretty” rifle) It quickly became my favorite hunting rifle. Both are great cartridges for deer
Absolutely! She got me that rifle Christmas 2014, Browning BAR Safari 270 WSM with muzzle device Christmas 2016, and Christmas 2022 she got me an M1 Garand (CMP RM1 Expert). I’m just spoiled now days. 🤣
It seems to me that most people favor the .270 because of the flatter shooting, 'longer range' capability of the cartridge over the 30:06. The one qualifier of that argument to me would be, how many of hunters, could reliably, and practically, be able to put the bullet in the correct spot, under hunting conditions. The majority of times, the capabilities and skill of the person firing the rifle, is the biggest limiting factor of distance, and accuracy, of the shot taken.
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My hunting group uses 270, 308, 30-06, and 300wm for our yearly moose hunt. Each of us are very comfortable with our rifles and never lose or wound animals.
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I have all of those cartridges. JUST got the Tikka 300WM earlier this year. Haven't had one in decades. Very happy with it and the factory Norma ammo - 180 Bondstrike and 150 Whitetail, 1/2 MOA with both, using Zeiss scope
300wm is pretty solid
I shot a .25/06, best deer gun ever!!
@jim4405 father in law uses 25 06 and loves it. I am a 30 06 and love mine. Both Remington 700 bdl
I've been deer hunting for almost 50 years and in my honest opinion the 30-06 is the most versatile caliber ever created .
Use in war. O6. Knock down lot of human buck's.
Meh, most aren't shooting anything outside of the 125, 150, 165, and 180gr. The 338s have 165-300gr. The 165 and 180gr can be loaded down to 06 level and do everything it will do, and on the high end you can crank it up quite a bit for every non-dangerous game species, and dangerous game besides elephants and hippos. I guess the 06 has 110gr bullets for varmints, but I'd bet less than 1% of 06 shooters are shooting 110gr bullets in any hunting application. Pretty much like Petzal said, the 338 is like an 06 with more muscle in reserve when needed. The 06 has it's place, but all this versatility I hear about seems to only consider animals up to about elk or grizzly size.
The 30-06 will kill a Elephant I believe Teddy Roosevelt killed a elephant himself with one.
@@papajohnsy6659factor in cost and 30-06 becomes the clear winner
308 is the only cartridge you need in all of North America. Talk about versatile.
I’m a .270 Win man. I just love the cartridge - almost recoil free, flat shooting hard hitting and most suitable for medium to large soft skinned game. Almost perfect deer rifle.
Plus, you can find it anywhere ammo is sold, even if the other calibers are long gone from the shelf.
How is a 270 recoil free dude 😂
Recoil free?? 😂 idk what kind of gun you have cause my .270 kicks like a damn mule a hate having to sight it in. Everybody I know that has one say theirs kicks bad too.
@@sethpujol1704 Mine isn't bad especially compared to a magnum, definitely a case by case basis as different shooters have different tolerances for recoil and model to model 2 guns in the same cartridge won't kick the same.
@@sethpujol1704 Yeah it's definitely not recoil free. It's got a snappier recoil than my .308, because my rifle is a lightweight mountain build, I put a Limbsaver recoil pad to help.
I started at 14 years old with the 270. My dad always used the 06. Over the years they both did the job superbly on whitetail.
Same for me ;) I hope the years with Dad are long and many!
I hunt the high plains of Colorado and Wyoming for Pronghorn and Plains Deer. I shoot a bolt action Howa, marked "Smith and Wesson" in .270 with 22 inch bbl. The cartridge is a hand load stoked with 130 gr. Speer "Grand Slam" bullet, C.C.I "200 large rifle primer and 57 gr. IMRI 4831 powder. Average shot distance: 200 yards. Longest one shot kill: 485 paces.
At nearly 76 years of age, I can still consistently shoot a 4 to 5 inch diameter at 300 yards....For how much longer? We shall see!!!
Thanks for "Cartridge Talk".... Good dialogue!
That's quite a bit of powder there isn't
@@Mark-qq7io
Yes, it is a hot load.
According to the manual, velocity is right at 3,100 fps. CUP measures 61,700 shot from a 24 in. test barrel.
That being said; in 20+ years shooting this load, I've never experienced any problems with case extraction, flattened or cratered primers.
That's a spicy meatball! Keep hunting hard my friend.
Hopefully for a long time!
I shoot the same load just about 57.5 gr IMR431 and either a 130gr Speer SP or Nosler Partition. 3180 fps out of my Winchester M-70 Super Grade, Longest shot 400 yards on a Mule Deer in the Fort Peck Area of MT. Not quite as old, I am 68. At least that what my Chronograph tells me out of a 24 inch barre. 165 gr bullets out of a 30-06 and I have one, I really can't tell the difference.
I have used both. As far as deer hunting goes, most hunters will never see a difference.Most deer shooting is done at less than 200 yards. In my experience anyway. Either of these great rounds have more power than you need at that range.
Up to 200yd, go with the .30-30.
yeah up to 200 yards you can go with just about anything, No difference at all.
@@Simon-talks Except recoil, lever vs. bolt.
Yup. For common hunting distances within 50-150yds, any centerfire rifle cartridge will kill deer effectively.
For 200-300yds, short barrel 6.5 Grendel will get it done cleanly.
Out to 400yds, you can use a bit longer Grendel, 18" or more, .243 Win, 6mm Creedmoor.
Once you pass that point, you might consider stepping up to 6.5CM, 6.5x47L, .260 Rem, 7mm-08, or 7x57.
If you're looking at 600-800yds, time to go 6.5 PRC, 7mm Mag, 7 WSM, 7 SAUM, or 7 PRC.
I don't see much use for the early 1900s cartridges and rifles anymore, other than nostalgia. I have .270 Win and .30-06. The main reason I wouldn't use them anymore is that I just don't train with them these days.
Why compare carriages using different types of guns? A semi is not as accurate and has less energy than a bolt action. Carriage comparisons should be with the same brand and the same type of gun.
Gonna be hard to gin up drama here - both are great and obviously 100% up to the job.
I love the fact that that you can find factory ammo from 125 grain to 220 grain in the 30 06. Makes it a great do-it-all rifle IMO.
Bullet weight selection is definitely a downside to the 270, although that is improving with the 6.8 western and others coming around.
True. But the topic of the video is which cartridge is better for DEER, specifically; and the .270 plausibly has the edge. However, if one is to have only one rifle for all big game, most hunters, and these two guys, would certainly opt for the 30-06.
@@phild9813 the trouble with many 6.8 projectiles is the higher weight needs a faster twist rate. That's why the 270 never had options beyond 150 to begin with.
@@andrewhirsch6472 if mostly limited to deer then the 25-06 should have been included. And the 25 would also out shine both on smaller game.
@@rball690 : For the vast majority of deer, I agree. For big northern whitetails that are often over 300 lbs., the 25-06 is certainly adequate, albeit on the light side. It doesn't sell as well as perhaps it should, which is why it wasn't discussed in this video.
I have both, but 30-06 is still my go to get it done caliber. Nice job!
I'm a 270win guy. Got a savage axis with a Boyds stock. Hasn't let me down. However, now that I have young kids getting into it, I've been shooting 350legend cuz my 6 year old can shoot it no problem and it does destroy deer just the same.
Overall if it kills, it kills. And if it brings me food it brings me food.
Great video guys!
LOL, you guys are awesome, and also killing me. For DEER? I mean...I'm .30-06 til I die...but I can't imagine a world in which the .270 could be considered anything but excellent for deer.
Both are terrific, and so are you! Thanks for tuning in.
Both have a long way to go to achieve the same kill rate successes as the .30-30.
@@exothermal.sprocket if your talking numbers killed OK but if you are referring to performance of the actual projectile than the 30-30 is lacking. If hit equally the 30-30 has far worse ability.
@@rball690 Within the range of the .30-30, I seriously doubt it. In fact due to the velocity and diameter of the .277 bullet by comparison, and the spitzer shape of it, it's less reliable doing the same things as the .30-30 is supposed to do.
@@exothermal.sprocket I was talking about the 25-06 but the same applies. Has the 30-30 killed many deer yes but the bullet performance isn't the reason. Shear numbers of shots is. When you look at retained energy or flatness of the shot round there is no comparison. I have seen too many deer wounded by 30-30's.
Well, I have been shooting a 30,06 since 1980. I dont see a reason to change now.
Yall hit the nail on the head. 30,06 was used in the military from 1906, all the way into Panama in the 80s, when the military switched to the .308. I am perfectly happy using my 100 plus year old technology.
Thoughts: I’d take the .30-06 for elk/moose/bear, the .270 for deer/pronghorn (out west).
Where I live in the east, .308 is about as much as most people need.
All are great cartridges and it all depends upon what you are hunting and where, for sure! 👍😃
The 308 win can be effective on deer out to 450 plus yards so it has more range than many people think.
🕵️♂️ Anything past 400 yards is pushing it, even with the best bullets! 350 yards for elk, would be my limit with it! 👨⚖
303 Brit A favorite for keeping people from being polar bear food for well over 100 years. Massive energy dump and always goes bang... Even in -40 temperature..
Thank you. Excellent knowledeable facts shared in detail. I been using 270 for quite a while on whitetails. Never ever had a problem. used 150 to 135 bullets. all good.
Hi Everyone... I've used the .270 win. from the top of the world to the bottom of the world(Yukon to South Africa). From Tennessee ground hogs to Yukon moose, grizzly bear, caribou. In Zimbabwe and South Africa, from tiny dik dik to 2,000 to 2500 lb Eland. All one shot kills except a big water buk that I shot too low in the chest. Aftet a VERY long tracking session and avoiding a lion pride, a second shot to the back of the head did the job. Finn Aagaard and Jack O'Connor both wrote about shot placement as the critical consideration in killing power. Aagaard stated that 90 percent of killing power is shot placement...the other ten percent is the unknown. I agree with O'Connor and Aagaard. I killed my cape buffalo with one shot using a 9.3 x 62 Mauser. It is a 1905 cartridge of German origin. No one can tell the difference in killing power between the 9.3 x 62 vs the .375 H&H Magnum. The .270 win has good sectional density. For example, the 130gr .270 is equal to a 165gr .308 caliber bullet. I treasure the memories of seeing just how wicked and deadly the .270 Win is in the field.
I’ve been killing deer with a common 150 grain cup and core 270 for over fifty years with several others mixed in just for fun. I’ve never been a world wide hunter and never will be but I’ve got many rifles I could use if if was possible. Most recently acquired was Husqvarna 9.3x62 just because I wanted it to compare to my 35 Whelen. You mentioned both Jack O’Connor and Finn Aagaard. Jack really concentrated on shot placement and using the right cartridge for the game. Many internet no-nothings think Jack only hunted with the 270 which is far from the truth. Jack hunted with everything from 250 Savage to a defunct number called the 450 Watts Magnum which was equal to the 458 Lott. His favorite for dangerous game was the 416 Rigby but in his Complete Book of Rifles and Shotguns he wrote that if he could have only one rifle to hunt the world over it would be a 375 H&H Magnum. Of course he went on to say that if he was allowed a second rifle it would be a 270 Winchester!😊
Yep! Both of these experienced hunters knew that bullet placement was the most important aspect of killing power. I personally believe, from experience, that cup and core bullets kill a wee bit faster than the copper expanding bullets. Perhaps 4-5 seconds at the best. Yet, I've seen animals killed in their tracks with copper bullets. I've shot the .270 Win for sixty one years now(age 71 now). Most of the bullets have been Hornady reloads. No complàints as I've noticed Hornady bullets kill extremely fast. Dead in their tracks(deer) and complete penetration most of the time. Have fun with the 9.3. The 35 Whelen may not give any/very little ammo choices internationally. The 9.3 has once again become a popular international cartridge with good ammo choices internationally.
@@glennrcampbell4411 I used the 150 grain Hornady Spire Point in front of 56 grains of H4831 in my Ruger M77 270. Usually bang flop. Never shot anything over 300 yards. Rarely over 200.
I am left with the impression, from observation, that cup and core kill a wee bit faster on medium game. Perhaps three or four seconds faster....hard to say.
I have shot both calibers for many years, and own rifles in both calibers.
Both of them are winners in my opinion.
That being said, I use my 270 more than my '06.
For varminting I use a hand load with the Sierra 90gr HP and IMR 3031. Absolutely devastating!
For deer any good 130gr bullet will get it done.
My 270 is a Marlin XL7. Love that gun!
Great video!
I have a marlin .270 as well! Great gun
I'll still go with the 30-06
Great choice.
🤷♂️ In All Fairness, The Wound Channel of the 30-06 looks a "Little Bigger" in both cases! But, You Would Also Expect That When Your Using Heavier Bullets Too! Additionally, Testing a Bullets Performance At "Close Range" isn't Going to Be An Accurate Representation of What Happens at 400 Yards Either! That, is Where the 270 Will Shine! And, Yes, I Own Both Cartridges and Both Have Their Own "Applications"/"Specialities"! 🤗
30.06 for me to but thats because of my most trusted rifle more than anything.
👨⚖ You Still Can't Go Wrong With That Choice Either and That Is Why I Own Both! 😂 They Are Different Tools For Different Jobs, That's All! 🤷♂️
But, For Deer and Antelope, Give Me the 270 Winchester! 🦌 For, Bison and Bears, Then It Is The 30-06! 🐮🐻 For Elk, Either, As I Have Killed Big Bulls With Both! 🤠
This is a debate that will continue for a long time 😂
Both are more than adequate for deer.
Jack O Conner loved the 270 but he also used the 3006 on many occasions he was a big advocate of using the proper tool depending on the game hunted, he shot over a dozen grizzlies with the 3006 and Jack admitted the 3006 was more versatile.
🕵️♂️ Versatility in bullet selection YES, But performance in similar bullet weights NO! Why? Because, in Common Bullet Weights, the 270's Bullets Have Higher B.C.'s and Higher Sectional Densities (It Shoots Flatter and Penetrates Deeper)! It Just Depends Upon What You Are Trying to Accomplish! I Own Both Calibers, So I Know - From Almost 50 Years Of Using Them! I Would Choose the 30-06 for a 50 yard shot on 3,500 lb Bison and the 270 Winchester for a 500 yard shot on a Pronghorn Antelope! Different Tools for Different Needs! 🤷♂️ Neither is "Really Better" for Everything - is the Lesson That Should be Learned! 👨⚖ Proper Bullet Selection is What Matters Most - Not Caliber or Cartridge - is the Lesson That Should Be Understood Here! 👨🎓
@ronlowney4700 I think the 7mm Magnum is the equivalent to the 3006, in a lot af areas. I can load my Remington 700 in 7mm Magnum from 120 grains to a plethora of bigger bullets. Either way, all of the mentioned cartridges are more than capable of taking most game.
@@64samsky7mm rem mag is very versatile cartridge...the 270 just less recoil...
His last rifle he acquired was a 280 Rem
Might as well own all three! 🤑
I have both, love both, and there isn’t a deer walking that they won’t take care of. Based on the criteria and my personal experiences, the 270 is just hard to beat. That screaming 130 just tends to lay deer down, whether it’s a traditional soft point or my favorite ttsx’s
As long as it gets the job done!
Started with a Winchester mod 70 in 270 cal, still using it as my primary rifle. Every now and then I'll use my 30-30 or 7mm 08 just for a change. Love all three.
I love the .270 it’s the best all around hunting cartridge IMO
Bout time!! I have been waiting for this. This was a topic back in the 70s amongst the kids I went to school with that hunted. Thank you.
Love this series. Please keep it going. Would like to see 270 vs 7mm-08.
Tough one to call 270 recoil/drop drift, 30-06 versatile/availability. Going to come down results on gel block. These are my favorite Vortex nation content, another one I’ll watch 10 times!! 👍👍 6.8 western vs 6.5 prc next?
Thanks for tuning in. Stay tuned to find out what we have coming down the pipe (pun intended)!
I would like to see the results of a 130-grain copper bullet in both cartridges in the penetration test.
Thanks for the suggestion! We will add it to the hopper and see if we can make this a reality.
Both are great rounds for deer. I went 270 but that decision was based more on the Rifle I got a good deal on than the caliber. Brand new Remington 700 for $200.
That's a steal! Happy hunting.
Where you get it at Walmart or from a private seller
A working man's deer rifle. Good find!
I have the Remington 700 BDL in .270 and a Weatherby Vanguard in 30-06, I shoot both in 150gr and both love it sub 1 Moa on both rifles. I will switch between both of them for deer hunting and coyote hunting. They both work and do the job, however shoot ability goes to the .270 as it’s a solid wooden stock, the 30-06 is a synthetic stock and recoils more. The accuracy both are the same, I have found the 30-06 can eat different weighted bullets better than the .270 as it takes more adjustment on the scope to sight in. So pick one and you win period :) love this debate with die hards on both sides :)
:) the .270 is the greatest cartridge of all time, thanks for more truth guys!
I have said it before, the .270 is the BEST cartidge for North America. Lower recoil, but immense power. Get one of the new Browning rifles with a 1/7.5" twist, run a 155gr Terminal Ascent or 155gr LRX bullet and goodness gracious you can take ANYTHING in North America with less recoil and drop than a .30-06 and a .308.
.270 FTWin
🤠 YEP!
There is a fast twist 270 available from browning...can you guys test it? Would love to see if it's a "game changer"?
We will have to see if we or Muck has one in the vault!
I'll stay a 06 fan and owner. My favorite bullet weight is a 165 gr spitzer boat tail of whatever construction is readily available. With that bullet it compares more closely to the 270 with 130 gr bullet.
I agree. I've heard of many handloaders getting 3,000 fps out of the 30-06 with 165 grain bullets. It's not as slow as a lot of people think.
Deer can’t tell the difference. I have an 06 my buddy has .270 my deer usually drop while his run. Could be shot placement and ammo too. Would trust both calibers with me shooting lol.
An interesting historical note is that in the early days of the 270, it was known for dropping deer in their tracks whereas the 30-06 was not. This is largely due to the lower performance of bullets and powders available at the time. The higher velocity of the 270 tended to create a larger temporary cavity and stun the animal which would often die before regaining movement. Even in this test, the 270 seemed to do more damage in the first few inches. It is important to note that the performance of both cartridges has increased dramatically since the 1920's, so DRT animals are now common with both.
@@jfess1911 .30-30 enters the chat...
Since I'm on the East Coast, I'll stick with my early 80's Remington 700 in 7mmO8. I have other rifles in 5.56, 243, 6.5, 308, 30O6, and 7.62× 54R. I'll probably never have the need for the heavier calibers while living here.
Another great video. I love both calibers but for some reason I typically have a 30-06 in my hands while hunting.
🤠 You Really Can't Go Wrong With Either One! 🤑
I always say, "Why stop with one when you can have both!" Like how I have an AR10 in 6.5 cm and another in .308 win.
😎 That has always been my philosophy and then you can decide for yourself! That is what I did with the 30-06 and 270 - I prefer the 270 Winchester, but both are different tools and both work Great and have different applications! 😃
@@ronlowney4700 man, you my kind of people. 🤜
Back in the mid-90's, I purchased my first deer rifle, it is a Remington 700 stainless detachable mag 24" 270 win. I ask the store clerk who is a native American hunting guide on several plantations, which was the best weight ammo, answer 130 grain! He have seen more quick with this weight.
Used both. Taken deer with both. I like both. I like the .270 better as far as whitetail hunting is concerned. Less recoil and shoots flat.
.30-06 or .270 will do the job on deer or elk (use appropriate grain bullet). I used the .30-06 for years on deer, antelope, and elk. These days, I use the .243 for deer and antelope as it is easier for my old body to carry.
I am a little nervous taking my .270 win with these same 130gr copper bullets on an elk hunt, but this video made me feel a lot more confident about doing it.
One of the most famous gun writers of ALL time Jack O’Conner used the 270 for years in elk! Enough said!
@@edwardabrams4972 .... and today's bullets can perform much better!
Dude people have taken thousands of elk with a .243 Winchester…. With cup and core bullets. The .270 is more than adequate for elk and moose, especially with copper and bonded bullets.
You could take ANYTHING in North America with the .270 Winchester. Nothing to worry about, you do not need a magnum.
@@hunterjohnson5635 The Swedes have been taking caribou with 6.5x55 for over a century.
Great video! I have one of each. Both are plenty medicine for whitetails. I shoot a little better with my 270, so it's my go to deer rifle. However, if I was to get a chance to go elk or moose hunting, I'd probably opt for the 06 and heavier bullets.
130 copper solid or Bonded bullet in the .270 would work as well or better. Suppress it and glass it with a large exit pupil option to see if you can spot your own hit.
I have them all, but as much as I love my Pre-64 Mod 70 in .270 Win, it just sits in the case. My 7yr-old bugged me about taking it out, so I'll let him experience my same childhood joy of blasting water jugs with 130gr SP going Mach 3.
Throughout all the different cartridge talks and cartridge comparison videos out there, the fact that every content creator has to pin/ compare any cartridge up against the 30-06 as the median/ standard, tells you everything you need to know about the 30-06. It's the benchmark to which every cartridge aims to be, yet can never equal in terms of its versatility, availability, cost and effectiveness on game, targets, steel, world wars and alien invasions. The real winner everytime will be the 30-06 just for showing up.
WELL SAID.100%🇺🇸
I couldn't agree more. I would throw in the fact that the cartridge is nearly 120 years old. The greats stand the test of time.
100% tried & true caliber
My conclusion: Keep rocking the 270 and don't "upgrade" to copper ammunition. I have had great results with basic cup/core bullets like the interlock and ELDX. Last deer killed with a 145gr eldx still had a fat exit wound at 309 yards.
Yea can't go wrong with a 270 and standard SP projectiles.
I don't even use bonded. Just $25 box of federal or win power point. Haven't lost one yet.
Fair. Good job guys. It doesn’t matter if you’re a professional, hunter, or a novice… Both work well for damn near everything.
With bullet design and engineering having advanced to the point that it has most bullets will behave similarly within the first 3-6 inches after hitting the target. So cartridge selection becomes more a matter of how much mass and velocity is required to get the job done.
Interesting thought. Thank you Sir.
I chose the 270 years ago because everyone has a 3006. Never had an issue killing deer with my 270.
20 years ago I turned a Canadian whitetail outfitter into a believer who initially didnt think that my 270 was up to the task on their giant whitetails. After turning the vitals into gelatin with a single Nosler Ballistic Tip, he was absolutely wowed by the performance.
An outfitter didn’t think a .270 was enough for deer?? They’re deer not huge brown bears lol
.270 Win and .30-06 are both overkill for deer, with loss of your sight picture when you break the shot. This means you need a trained spotter to be on glass when you break the shot to see where your impact was.
Exceptions are if you're shooting mulies at distances from 400yds+, where .270 Win shines with its trajectory.
If a hunter wants to see their hits within 300yds, it's better to go with something lighter-recoiling that you can practice with.
I’m not sure how you draw the conclusion that .270 or 06 are overkill for deer. I’ve killed deer with both and I can’t see it’s been blown apart by either caliber. Usually I hear more about damage when someone uses 7mm or 300 wm or bigger.
@@usa-rb5fi It's not the terminal performance, but the sight picture behavior if you want to see what happened. If you don't care or are relying on a trained spotter to see your impact and what the animal does after the shot, they're fine.
Muzzle blast, recoil, and muzzle climb with .270 Win and .30-06 are excessive, and also don't allow you to practice with them regularly unless you shoot light, reduced power loads.
Rifles that are difficult to practice with don't allow you to build confidence, but this can be offset if you have another small caliber rifle set up the same way, same trigger, same type of sights/optic.
I've been shooting .270 Winchester and .30-06 since 1983, love the .270's flat trajectory and how it vaporizes water jugs, but I don't shoot them anymore.
My youngest has been begging me to take the .270 out, so we're doing that this week.
I'm from Saskatchewan everyone when I was growing up used the 270. And it's great for coyotes. While your looking for the whitalils lol
I'll stick with my 06 thank you.
130 gr Barnes ttsx and a proper charge of IMR 4064 at 3150 fps will compete with the 270 all day long at ranges I'd shoot. I've owned and used both and can't tell any difference in recoil with either and 130gr projectiles.
This is actually the kind of comparison most would like to see because both have long been used in hunting. And yes, the .30-06 has been around longer and would always be more available. But young and snappy upstart can come along and supercede it.
In my own informal comparisons, I have several .308 Wins. But I know my 7 PRC outperforms it.
So, I am looking forward to the podcast episode on this set of evidence.
Thanks for tuning in!
Can you do this with some of the new straight wall rounds and some of the older ones like 45-70?
We just may! Thanks for the recommendation.
A 45-70 loaded with 350 grain bullets flat nose at 1900 fps has good amount of recoil. Far more than factory 405 grain at 1400 fps. I used the 350 grain flat nose with marlin guide gun. Makes a nice 150 yard rifle. You need to reload. Or buy buffalo bore ammo. Factory stuff on shelf is weak.
7mm-08 vs 6.5 creed orrrr 7mm-08 vs 7 Rem Mag. Also try the Accubond loads in the 7
I think if you are going to get your first rifle and it comes down to to these to cartridges. Which ever model of gun is best for your budget should be your pick. I went with the 270 because My dad shoots that. And I wanted to have interchangeable ammo so there was no confusion.
Definitely 270 great pod cast guys liked this
I use both, one in my 03-a3 and the other in my Steyr Mannlicher Schoenauer M72. All shot deer have fallen down without complaint from both. ;)
The 280 Remington shooting 140 Partitions or Accubonds in the high 2900’s agreed no mulie or pronghorn.
EDIT: I think, based on experience from western hunting, any bullet weight above 165 grains from a 30-06 is not really the best choice for deer sized game.
My 280 Rem is shooting 140 Nos btips at 3200+ from a 24" barrel using Superformance powder
@@Accuracy1st I use a Leupold CDS scope with 140 Accubonds at 2965 from a 24” barrel. I don’t get too wrapped up in velocity since this load typically gives me less than 5/8” groups. I’ve killed pronghorn and mulies at 400 yards with this setup and almost all were one shot kills.
@@nmelkhunter1very nice. I don't get wrapped up on speed much but Superformance is new to me as of 2022 and I first tried it in my 270s and was amazed. It shines with lighter wt bullets, 110s, 129s, 130s so I thought I'd try it with the lighter wt 140s in my 280s and it did not disappoint accuracy or velocity or consistency. My one 280 Rem I still have is a 1/2" rifle with NBTs and Superformance
I was finally able to get my hands on a Ruger M77/270. I quickly took it to my local gunsmith and had it re barreled with a .275 Rigby barrel from Shilen Barrels. 270 is a wonderful cartridge but I don't need one or really want one. At this time it costs to much to set myself up with dies and other 270 loading tools.
Yeeeeeeees! Cant wait! Y'all should've made Ryan hold the .270 😂.
😆😆 Would've been like a vampire holding garlic.
270 is the ultimate medium game cartridge
I would still like to see 30 06 130 grain TTSX performance in gel. I was really hoping you would include that in this comparison. They're both great cartridges, I have rifles chambered in both and I wouldn't complain about either one!
Yes! My thoughts exactly!
This debate is so old and ridiculous but compared to all the new stuff that everyone's trying to sell they are still the two best cartridges excluding my favorite a 7 mm mag which I think is the perfect but everyone's still continues to watch and love these debates. Go on forever
🥳 The 270 Win. For The Win! 🥇🏆
I own a both and I agree with your assessment
Loving the series. 6 arc vs 6.5 grendel?
Another great video! When are yall doing a 243 vs comparable?
Love the comparisons. Would like to start seeing the classics vs their replacements, 270 win vs 6.8 western. Would be interesting to compare the classic systems vs modern systems i.e. bakes, suppressors, modern recoil pads, rifle ergonomics and the difference that makes to the shooter. Seems that is the difference that is most affecting shooters today versus slinging a X gr bullet at X speed.
Thanks for the suggestions. Stay tuned to see if we can make this dream a reality for you!
The 6.8 wins in performance, but with very little difference. Not enough for eastern hunters.Dont remember the channel that did the test.
Enjoyed the video, Having used both for deer, I believe it's a personal preference. 270 may edge the 06 in fields, or longer range, but if you hunt brush, the 06 edges the 270. Both great cartridges. I would be comfortable with either
Love your content ,an channel.I'm a .270 win fan.I shoot mine well .
Can I suggest using bullets of equal or approximate SDs when comparing different calibers. I think doing this would make the gel test a more accurate comparison. In this particular comparison of the 270 vs. 30-06 that would be the 130gr @ 0.242 SD against the 165gr @ 0.248 SD.
I have both and they are both exceptional, but you really need to shoot them out of the same rifle, my 30/06 woods-master with a 20 inch barrel has less recoil than my .270 700 custom 26 inch. They are just different tools. Nice to have both. Both those loadings are great
I have used both too. I am a hardcore 30-06 man. But in comparable scenarios I doubt a hunter can tell a difference. Both are more than enough. I will not say one is better than the other for deer. Either are a great choice. I bet your 20" 30-06 has some great history!
@@winstonjones7519 It does, my Grandfather had it before me, it was his first scoped rifle, he filled the filled the freezer for years with it, it’s much more accurate than people give it credit for. It very smooth easy to get on target in the thick woods, I wouldn’t hesitate to take it out anytime.
Nice. That is cool. I love hearing that.@@andrewmccann7572
Gun Weight, Stock Design, and Recoil Pad Hardness and It's Surface Area All Play a Factor! 🤷♂️
@@ronlowney4700 Action also plays a large roll, my gas gun seems to really soak up the recoil.
I have both calibers. But haven't taken anything with the 270 yet. But I've taken deer with my 30/06. But of the two I'm liking the 270 more and more.
I'd really like to see 2 more categories added to the test.
1 number of rifles models currently in production.
2 cost of feeding your rifle and availability to purchase, or do consider this within the shootability score(if you want ties with 6 categories)
Lastly thank you for staying with just hunting loads and no match ammo
I think they are kind of rolling all that into availability or accessibility.
Appreciate the feedback and we will ask the boys if they want to include that.
We also will cover this in the podcasts after the video to further dissect the ammo availability part.
SILLY to compare a 180 grain elk cartridge to a 130 grain deer cartridge. The only meaningful comparisons would be 130 gr .270 v. 150 gr .30-06, and 140 or 150 gr .270 v. 165 gr. '30-'06.
My buddy last year shot bull elk 360 yards 130 grain 270 copper bullet and it punch through the shoulder bone and clipped the other shoulder and passed right through dropping him dead in his tracks I was astonished
I'm going with.270 mostly because it's what I've deer hunted with since I was 13.
Would frontal diameter play any role in entrance hole diameter and therefore blood loss ? And would penetration be different if bone was involved vs a gel ?
Yes, as larger diameter holes in objects allow for more air in and more blood out. The long of it is, shot placement is going to matter more. Also, yes the bone would cause more resistance on the projectile which would influence the amount of penetration.
I have owned both, still own a 270 and not the 06
Have owned both. Both have always done the job effectively. It really comes down to personal preference.
Love my 270 been a real hammer on deer for me.
I've used 270 for 20 years on deer out to 300yd with Sierra 130gr game kings. Always an exit wound, never had to track one. Shot the barrel out last year (I practice a lot) and switched to a 243. Not impressed with the penetration but it did ok on a broadside at 120yd. I'll have to look into loading copper solids, see if that gets better results. Also looking at a 7.5 twist 270 which could be great with copper solids.
Six of one, half-dozen of the other. I love my .270 Win, but if I had bought the same rifle in .30-06, there's nothing I've done with that rifle that I wouldn't have been able to do.
Let's talk about the Nosler Partition. 180gr in the 30-06 did a great job on the deer here in PA last year.
Used the 125gr Partition out of a model 7 6.5 creedmoor that was great too
Would be interesting to do the same tests with a 270 win and a 280 rem. They are a much closer comparison. Or 25-06 vs 270.
The comparison no one seems to want to do is .270 Winchester vs. 6.5 Creedmoor. Using the 500 yard data from different Vortex videos, the .270 has substantially less drop at 500 yards than the NeedzMore. Drift is virtually identical. Energy on target at 500 yards appears to go to the 6.5 Creedmoor. However, I want to see the data at 100, 200, and 400 yards because I believe that is more relevant for 95% of hunters.
Great stuff! Love the dialogue between you two. 270 win vs 25-06 rem?
Being South African, the .270 has such nice versatile hunting application using only one bullet weight, 130gr.
You can hunt all the same bigger (affordable) game, but it just makes a way nicer springbuck rifle.
Good to know
I Live here in Maine and I Hunt Deer with a 270 Remington Semi- Automatic 7400 Series with a 4-12 44 Mag Scope using 150 Grain Federal Ammunition. I Love it!! AWESOME GUN!! 👌 👏 👍 😍
Jack O'Connor covered this topic thoroughly in his book The Hunting Rifle, in 1970.
But times have changed, with new bullets and powders! 👨⚖
Yes sir they have. However, the results are the same regardless. @@ronlowney4700
YOU SHOULD ADD IN THE AWESOME 25-06 --GREAT VIDEO!🤔🤔🤔
😎 The 270 Winchester, Hands Down! 🤑 I Own Both, and I Wouldn't Limit That Statement to Just "Deer" - Unless Your Saying "Deer Family" - To Include Elk and Moose Too? 😯 Both Do a Fine Job Though! 👨⚖ I Just Hope That You Picked Quality Bullets To Test? 🕵️♂️
The Federal Fusion has one of highest weight retention out there, do you have any vids of those going into gel block ?
I enjoyed the 168 gr in 30-06 and a 140gr bonded in 270 Win.
😜 Yes, A Using A Good Quality Hunting Bullet is the Main Lesson Here, More Than Caliber! 👨🎓
@@ronlowney4700 and putting the bullet in the right spot with a knowledgeable shot. My brother once launched a 470 yard shot at a running cow elk with a 270. I don’t know how he brought her down because that was a serious Hail Mary tug on the trigger. I’d spent time on the range with him and he wasn’t generally able to make shots like that. Sometimes pure dumb luck or the grace of God put meat on the table.
The Remington Core Locked is my all time favorite in my Tikka M65 270. I can easily shoot MOA and if I do my part I can get 1/2 groups using 150 grain ammo.
I have both and both were given to me. 06' has been in the family for a long time and is a heavier rifle. I'm hoping to get an elk with it. My 06' happens to prefer 165 gr Core-Lokt tipped ammunition, the 270 happens to like 150 gr federal ammunition. Both are responsible for putting venison in the freezer. 😁
I'm a big fan of the Remington core lock tipped 165 gr in my 30-06 it shoots really really well and I've put it out there to 800 yards and grouped really nice 5 shots on a 18" steel target...Granted I was aiming 50' into the sky line but it grouped out of my Mauser 98 action with a 26" Douglas #4 barrel using a EC tuner muzzle break.... Also using the tuner I didn't have to do any adjustments using the Remington ammo.... But all the others that I have used need a little dialing to get the groups tighter but also I believe it has to do with muzzle velocity that did increase with my other options.
That's funny, because my 06' is a Mauser action. It originally came over from Europe when my (technically step grandfather) and his buddy were in WWII. It was originally an 8mm. There was a company out of CA that was converting the rifles to 06' (the US Standard issue). Now I have it. It does not like 150 gr or 180 gr rounds. I can only shoot 165's and it really likes the Core-Lok tipped.
what did shooting a semi-auto compared to a bolt or the difference in barrel length do to terminal performance of the 30-06??
Would love to see a 270 Win vs. 6.5 PRC.
Similar bullet weights and new school vs. old school cartridge designs.
You know how the 270 would fare out there, with the 270 often being pitted against the smaller 6.5cm.
Thanks for the suggestion, we will run it up the flag pole and see what we can do for you.
@@VortexNation Would really appreciate it.
I was looking at caliber for 300 yard and in deer and elk rifle.
I was surprised to see the 6.5 PRC has a 143 grain ELD-X and the 270 Win a 145 ELD-X.
Is hand feeding ok for the m77 with a control round feed action
I love Ryan's shirts. He's like 84 years old.
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270 is so AMAZING i have to watch this Video several more times to hear Both of yall say the 270 WWWWIIIINNNNNSSSSS!!!!!
I own one of each. Wonder about a 308 VS 270
That is a good one as well, we will see what we can do!
Right now i have a beautiful remington 7400 in 270. made mid 90's I'm selling for a friend. Hasn’t had 60 shots through it. I dont know what to do. I'm thinking about buying it but I have 2 06s, 308,243. 06 is the best all around you can find
Dropped my elk this with a 130gr .270 this year. Through and through wound cavity and the lower recoil and flatter shooting made it easier to hit a clean shot which is honestly the most important thing in this match. If you can shoot, neither will fail you, but ill stick with the 270 for a while, I think.
Good comparison. I have the Browning Bar in 30-06 without the muzzle device. (My wife wanted me to have a “pretty” rifle) It quickly became my favorite hunting rifle. Both are great cartridges for deer
She’s a keeper! (Wife and rifle)
Absolutely! She got me that rifle Christmas 2014, Browning BAR Safari 270 WSM with muzzle device Christmas 2016, and Christmas 2022 she got me an M1 Garand (CMP RM1 Expert). I’m just spoiled now days. 🤣
It seems to me that most people favor the .270 because of the flatter shooting, 'longer range' capability of the cartridge over the 30:06. The one qualifier of that argument to me would be, how many of hunters, could reliably, and practically, be able to put the bullet in the correct spot, under hunting conditions. The majority of times, the capabilities and skill of the person firing the rifle, is the biggest limiting factor of distance, and accuracy, of the shot taken.