I will stick with .308 Winchester as it's a good all around rifle cartridge for anything I would ever do with a rifle, which is mainly shooting steel and paper targets. If I want something with more reach, then it's either a .300 Win Mag or a .338 Lapua Magnum, which should be on this list as people have reached two miles with it.
.308Win is my go-to hunting cartridge. I've taken more deer with .308 than all other cartridges combined. Its an amazing hunting cartridge. That said. I own a .338 Lapua (Savage 110 FCP HS Precision) .. They can be very accurate... but factory loading, which are now running over $7 a round, aren't the best for it. My long range precision shooter is actually my 110 Elite Precision in .300PRC. No need to handload with it as the specifications are so tight that you won't actually gain much over factory ammo.. If you wanna shoot paper/steel at 1,000 then I would highly suggest the 300PRC over the 338Lapua.. Though if you wanna hunt elk/bison.. 338 would do a better job.
I really have been impressed with the long range performance of my 270 Winchester Short Magnum with the advantage of a good range finder I have taken deer and elk out to a distance of 650 yards. But I also switch between the 270 WSM and my Remington 7mm that carries more energy to a longer range. I load the 270 with 140 grain bullets and the 7mm with 165 grain rounds. Both have a similar flight path but the 7mm carries more energy farther down range.
In about 1 month from now I should have my new reamer - 270-7PRC. I'm going to test 170 grain Berger VLDs and 165 Nosler ABLR. I necked down a 7PRC case to 270. It will exceed the WSM version but I'm not sure by how much. Definitely more case capacity.
The .300 Win Mag or a .338 Lapua are the premier large range cartridges that are reasonably priced. I still shoot a 30-06 since ammo is so Freaking cheap. Here In Alaska the 30-06 is so pervasive it's actually used for currency! 2 rounds is worth a dollar in the outback and 3 rounds is worth a dollar in big Cities. At bars bullets are used to barter for booze.
@@dakotaman4861 *You will have to talk to the criminals running the PRIVATELY OWNED Federal Reserve Bank and their interest rate polices. 3 for a dollar is over with forever!!!*
I lean towards the .300 win mag myself but wouldn’t argue either way. The 7mms and .30 cals in general have been the kings of all purpose versatility out of rifles that don’t have to weigh 13 pounds or have concussive brakes for most folks willing to put the practice in to be able to shoot well I work as the supervisor of a sporting goods department in Northern Saskatchewan, lot less “tactical” shooters, a lot more dedicated big game hunters. As much as I love my .300 win it is a fact I’ve observed that the .30-06 and 7mm rem mag hands down remain the most popular hunting rifles and ammo sold here. I do see a lot of .308, 300 win mag, .270 win, 6.5 creed, and especially the 7mm-08 sold here as well. That 7-08 is a wickedly efficient and practical cartridge, and only growing in popularity as people continue to discover its great utility and balanced performance.
Cool. I'm sticking with my 7mm Rem Mag. Out to 250 yards, I call it my Laser as I don't care if the animal is on the move or if the wind is blowing at 15 + it's there before there is any noticeable effect. My type of hunting doesn't put me that far away. Caribou is a good step out but you usually have time to make some adjustments a few bench sightings at 500 a few days early and your good to go. When it gets out there well it has plenty of energy left. Don't get me wrong I have had my day with the 300 Weatherby. I was started out on a Lee Enfield, then a 30 06 settled back to a 308 for over 15 years loved it. Shot the thing out in that time I dabbled with several calibers but nothing has put a smile on my face like my 300 Rem Mag 😊👍❤ on target at the range or out in the field. But I will not argue with anyone of these other cartridges that you have brought up today. When you're at the range splitting grains and experimenting with different powders. I have my sweet load and it hasn't let me down yet. At the top of the mountain, down in the valley or out on the Prairie. Be safe and have a blast😊👍❤
Well said! It’s often not the bow, it’s the Indian. I’ve taken white tail with 25-06, 270, 300 wm, 264 wm, .260 rem, 7mm stw and 30-30. You can make a mess with em all. Shot placement and confidence is the key. I’ll second ammo choice. I switched from using nosler partitions to Barnes for everything I eat. Works great and no odd lead chunks in your meat.
This video is supposed to be for Long Range, not hunting. Once you get past 600, the 6.5 - due to higher Ballistic Coefficient - will surpass the .270s capabilities, all while having less recoil. Don't get me wrong, the .270 is an awesome hunting cartridge, but ballistics don't lie and at Long Range, ballistics is king.
@@Mj-CWO4 the video title is "Best Long Range Calibers for 2024" and he's showing the 6.5 PRC as having over a mile max range... no one is hunting at a mile. The issue is, these videos are made for clicks, by trying to please everyone and then not deliver on what they promised. If you really want to know what the best hunting catridge is for elk, anything around the size of 6.5 Creed all the way up to .338 Win Mag works fine, for deer anything from .243 up to .30-06 works fine without being overkill. It's that simple. If you want to know the real best Long Range target cartridges, look up what's being used in PRS for cartridges within 1200yds and for ELR just look up King of 1 Mile cartridges. Easy peasy.
Sir, with all due respect, 6.5 bleedmoor and the words flat and fast should not be in the same sentence. I watched a friend shoot 2 deer on the same hunting trip with his (fast 6.5) he never gets either deer. A friend of my brother lost a 370 class elk at 150 yards broadside with a 6.5. I will use my flintlock before buying a 6.5 bleedmoor. The 7mm-08 does everything the Creedmoor does
Classic choices, however i suspect this video isn’t aimed at handloaders only and if you want to get full .264 win mag performance with modern high bc bullets that’s a handloading only proposition. I take it you load your own? What kind of rifle is your .264 Winnie if you don’t mind my asking? I’m drooling at the moment over a classic pre-64 Winchester M70 in .264 win with the full 26 inch barrel as God intended…🤣
I just keep my old Remington. 25-06, Winchester .30-30 and my .308 Savage. You can't go wrong. Anything on 2 and 4 legs are not a problem. Any questions??
Sounds to me like all these new cartridges that you are mentioning are paying you to promote them. The good old and proven .30-06, .270, .243, .308, is all you need, and the ammo is so much cheaper than the new stuff. I am glad that you put the .300 win mag in there as that is in my opinion the gun for everything! Cheaper ammo once again. Slso very pleased that you mention the .264 win mag.
This video is about "Long Range shooting cartridges"... a .30-06, .270, .243, .308 and even .300 Win Mag don't come anywhere near as effective *at Long Range* as their respective newer cartridges. It just simply is fact. At 600 yards they'll all do fine, but push it to and past 1000 and half these cartridges you mentioned won't have the Ballistic Coefficient capabilities to be accurate, nor consistent (with exception to .300 Win Mag, which will work fine to ~1500yds with a 220gr match bullet). Compare it to the new cartridges, which usually have less recoil and higher BCs, making them much better options for Long Range shooting, there is no competition. The closest to being competitive in any discipline of target shooting (other than tactical, which is .223 and .308 only) currently is the .243 running 90-100gr match bullets - but even that gets crushed by the much smaller 6mm Dasher using 105-115gr match bullets... hence the 6mm Dasher is dominating PRS and NRL. For Extreme Long Range it's a mix up wildcats and some factory cartridges like the .300, 6.5 and now 7mm PRC, but .300s using 225gr+ bullets and .338s using 280gr+ bullets are most popular. Btw I shoot and hunt with a .308... im just not daft enough to ignore the ballistic advantages of newer cartridges.
I would say what is bothersome to me and is very apparent is most all of the video uploaders and commenters are from the East coast and from my own personal experiences as a Hunting guide from the Pacific NW to working in Alaska and travel to East coats trade shows to sell my services I can say having like 100 east coast hunters in a group 99 of them believe the rest of the US is a Hugh Ohio flat bean or corn field so these hunters things great use the common deer guns and that is all these East coast hunter know about and try to tell them the Pacific NW is massive mountains and canyons we have to shot over so deer guns just down work here these idiots want to argue and tell me I am wrong. The most used rifle calibers with be 1st anyone of the 30 calibers magnums and 7 mm Rem mag and we have many who have rifles in 50 BMG for Elk hunt over Hugh canyons.
Why would it be flatter shooting if it has 10% less powder? Typically the faster the round the flatter it shoots, given the same bullet. Genuine question, I'm not familiar with WSM.
The 300wsm taught med that it does not kill reindeer quicker or deader than the 6,5x55. Sold it an now do my hunting with the good old 6,5. Benefits; better practical field precision and better view of the animals during recoil.
For hog sized game up to about 500 yards I stick with my Mk.4 Lee Enfield in .303 British. Been in the family since before I was born and still works just fine.
6.5 creed makes no sense. Unless you NEED a short action (roll eyes) the 6.5 Swede has been doing the same thing (same ballistics with same bullet) for more than 130 YEARS! Most swede shooters would say the creedmoor is no more accurate. In fact the 6.5x55 is STILL used in national matches. Plus the swede handles bigger bullets, and has been used for moose literally for a century. Its actually got a bigger case capacity, and if shooting a modern rifle and loading your own, its amazing. Cheers.
Problem is the Swede has a 1:10 standard twist, which means you can't run the very heavy match bullets. Overall though, yes. Biggest issue with the swede is finding rifles and ammo.
@@yesthisisdog89 idk why I said 1:10. It's usually 1:9 or 1:8.66, but neither will be guaranteed to work with 147-156gr match bullets, which with reloads it could probably push fast enough to make it worth using them. Any cartridge can get a fast twist barrel - but that means you either need to find a rifle that has a faster twist, or replace the barrel.
@@marcmoore4115 yep, think my point was, i could go to gunsmith request a 1:8 barrel with 6,5 scan and get it, as i could request a 1:12 barrel in 6,5 scan but more likely would be off the shelf somewhere.
Not true. Buy yourself some ballistic software and you will see. 25-06 is awesome, but bullet selection lets it down. 25-06 can drive 120gr bullets. Std twist rates limits you. A 6.5 CM can drive 156gr bullets with higher BC and SD. At 1000m the 6.5 CM has 50% more energy than 25-06 due to high BC bullets. This doesnt mean you should sell your 25-06 and buy a 6.5CM. If you inly shoot 500m, your 25-06 will be perfect. It just offers more options to new buyers.
Simply not true, as the other comment mentioned. The only thing that would change that outcome though is if you got a .25-06 with a fast twist rate of 1:7.5 or maybe 1:8 to drive the new 134 and 135gr match bullets very fast. Then you would indeed crush the 6.5 Creed at and even past 1000yds.
The 25-06 wins easily, especially for hunting where the added velocity makes shooting running game more predictable than quail shooting. I shoot a 25-06 AI at 3200 fps with 131g-134g bullets in a 7.5 twist barrel. It has enough energy at 1000 yards to hit mule deer like the hammer of Thor. My 100g deer and antelope bullets are great out to 500 yards. They travel at 3550 (3350 for the standard 25-06 Rem) and the shocking power is unearthly just like the .257 Weatherby. My 75g-90g coyote and fox bullets travel at 3950 and 3750 respectively, making a 50g 22-250 look like a plow horse after 200 yards. If you apply modern science to the barrel geometry of a 25-06 using a 7.5-8 twist barrel as you do with the 6.5 CM, the 25-06 blows it away.
just returned from a guided pig hunt, my son and son-in-law both made kill shots at 540 yards and 600 yards with 7mag and 300 win mag. great guns especially the 7 mag.
I have hunted and used a .270 (Remington Sendero) and a .270 (Remington A-Bolt) for over 20 years. Being fortunate to have well over 1,000 acres in which to hunt, I have taken whitetail deer, hogs, and coyotes beyond 500 yards on many occasions with store bought ammo. As far as deciding which rifle of the two I use, if I am going to be walking a long distance or stalk hunting, I carry the A-bolt (simply because it is much lighter) or if I am going to be in a large 300 acre open area or a stand most of the day, I carry the Sendero. Both are literally tack drivers. I would not recommend either to a young or beginning hunter because they do have a lot of recoil, not so much with the Sendero because of its weight. Both of these .270's have provided plenty of meat for my family and friends well over 20 years.
For hunting, sure. But not for Long Range, as this video is supposed to be. Simply put, the new 7 PRC crushes the performance of the .300 once you pass 800yds, even with a 220gr match bullet in the .300. But for hunting within 600yds there would be no noticeable difference between the two using equivalent bullets.
@@fredbartlett4394 for sure, but over time it'll grow. 6.5 and .300 PRC have barely arrived here in Namibia. 7 PRC will probably take amother year or 2. If you're reloading, you could use .300 PRC or .375 Ruger cases trimmed to length and then sized, to make 7 PRC or even 6.5 PRC cases. I would most likely order 100 or 200 pieces of brass with the rifle when I get a 7 PRC and then I'd be set for a long time.
I will stick with the 308 and 300 win mag. You can push a 110 grain bullet for the 300 win mag at 3,600 fps. And out performs a lot of othe cartridges.
@@bobpritchard979 Surely the 308 can put a bullet out there a long way but the energy is very lacking and a bad idea to be used to shoot large game with a high risk of causing wounding then tracking or loss of the animal that dies latter to become coyote & Buzzard snacks. taking down and keeping down large animals deer size and larger at distances takes a Hunters responsibility and proper morals to use more gun than what is needed to ensure the animal doesn't get away. I am currently 63 yrs. old and from the age of 16 I have used from a 7 mm Rem mag to a 300-win mag to make sure what I shot at stayed down. Now I am a user of the 300 Wby mag - 7 mm Rem mag - 9.3x62 Mauser and an AR 10 I've done in 375 -300 WSM which no animal is going to get away after shot.
I agree ☝️ I love my 7mm-08 , have owned many .308’s and a whole bunch of different standard cartridges as well as magnums, and I find myself grabbing the Tikka T3X Hunter 7mm-08 as my GoTo rifle for ‘most’ applications . It won my heart over my .308 rifles . It’s an amazingly impressive performer.
A cartridge I’m very interested in is 300PRC. If you haven’t seen anything on it hornady has a couple videos on this round. It’s a more modernized and “efficient” 300 win mag. As far as I can see it’s a much better all around cartridge.
Honestly, I'd say the newer 7 PRC is an even better option. The only bullets for the .300 PRC that compete with the 180-195gr 7mm bullets in terms of BC are the 240-250gr bullets - but the .300 PRC can only push them around 2600-2700fps, whereas the 7 can oush the same or higher BC bullets at nearly 3000fps with way less recoil. It has better ballistics the whole way to a mile and it's plenty for hunting elk as well. I'm looking to get one for ELR target shooting at 1400m+ and as a secondary hunting rifle if I know I'm shooting further than normal.
HI, nice report; pretty many US cartridges, yet, over here in EU, we still have old cartridges doing very well for the past 100/120 years... 6,5 swede, 7x57and 7x64 Mauser, etc..
Did manage to get 6,5 Swed about some 40 years plus ago...... 6,5 is still my favor.... accurate and low recoil...... no need for a bigger and no mammut or dinosaur here around
I have owned and hunted with many various cartridges from Michigan whitetails and black bear to Colorado elk and mule deer to Wyoming antelope to Texas javelina . I’ve used everything from 300 WM / 300 WSM , 7mm REM Mag, .30-06. .308 , .280 Remington, .270 Winchester, .243 Winchester and they ALL are very effective and have their place . My favorite was the .280 Remington, it just does everything really well and the recoil is manageable. However , I’ve recently been shooting a new rifle in my collection ( Tikka T3X Hunter ) chambered in 7mm-08 Remington and I have to say it holds the edge over the .308 Winchester due to its high BC’s and SD’s , less recoil , wind drift , flatter trajectory and better retained down range energy . It actually started life as a wildcat cartridge and was used specifically FOR long range silhouette shooting south of the border in Mexico for many years long before it ever became a commercialized cartridge , and it was favored for good reason due to the above mentioned characteristics. So I would say for the sake of the title in this video “ best long range cartridges “ , I would give honorable mentions to the tried and true venerable 7mm-08 Remington. And the most surprising ones that weren’t mentioned here for modern day cartridges competing in the long range shooting and hunting community are the 6.8 Western and the .280 Remington AI .
The 9,3 x 64 Brenneke. You can use the 225 gr for long range or the 293 grain for big game, when you stay with factory loads. For hand loading the range is from 154 to 324 gr. As a sniper round it is used in the Dragunov sniper rifle with a 256 gr bullet and 2520 ft/s muzzle velocity, before that in the Los. It has a very high accuracy. Perhaps you should also have a look at the 7 x 64. The favourite in Nordic countries for competition shouting is still the good old 6,5 x 55 today to SKAN specification.
I have one 9,3x64. Great Caliber. Very accurate. Same energy or more than 375 H&H .Very variable in reloading. Great Powder to Performance ratio. Better than 9,3x62. Heavy recoil in light rifles with factory ammunition . Underrated.
Well of course. The .338 Lapua Magnum that sits on over 90gr of powder and up to 300gr bullets - more than double of what the 6.5 Creedmoor uses. The 6.5 Creedmoor is designed as a *moderate* recoil high precision cartridge for PRS style competition, which requires extremely minimal recoil. In fact, in todays competition, even the 6.5 Creedmoor is seen as high recoil for PRS matches with the most popular being the 6mm Dasher and BRs. Now, the .338 Lapua Magnum on the other hand is no longer the best Extreme Long Range target cartridge. It's been surpassed by the .33 XC, .33 Nosler, .33 Sherman Magnum and even the .300 PRC, .300 Norma Magnum Improved, .300 Lapua Magnum Improved (.30s using 240gr+ bullets) and many more.
338 lapua factory ammo runs from $110 per box of 20 to over $140 per box. Even handloads can be pricey with the large case capacity. Not many can afford to shoot it.
What about the 6.5 grendel?? I have 6 AR15s in 6.5 grendel from 12.5" to 24" barrel length all BCA uppers except 1 Alexander arms 18" all shoot sub moa & my 18",20",24"shoot quarter sized groups @600yds! The only downside is ammo availability since covid, but it seems to be more readily available now, absolutely my favorite whitetail round & lethal on hogs too& very little recoil, awesome kids gun in a bolt action,super accurate,light recoil, great knockdown power! Have taken several elk with a 16" BCA side charging grendel, last one@315yds! 1shot& dropped immediately with a Hornaday 130gr sst!Love my grendels! Capt J
@@JamesJones-cx5pk he does have a good point about flattest cartridges. It does make life easier - but yes, I agree they're overkill. I personally have no problem using my .308 on Gemsbok out to 600m - my furthest being 622m. I am going to get a 7 PRC though, because the difference in wind drift alone is massive - not to mention the retained velocity, retained energy and far less drop of course.
Just reading all this makes my shoulder hurt!! Most all of the 300 Magnums have great performance on paper...as you're reading about them. I've seen their awesome power too! Impressive, but generally over kill too. They kick too much... is my biggest complaint with most of them. The 300 WSM is impressive, and a little easier to carry and shoot.... but a 30-06 kicks even less, and is cheaper and ammo is cheaper and easier to find.
The cartridge that has the most retained downrange energy and velocity is always best. Unless shooting very big game, the best long range hunting cartridge for game is 338 Lapua, 338 ultra mag(edge) 338-378 shooting 180 Nosler Accubond. At 3600fps it drops less than anything and has tremendous downrange remaining energy. Not just a paper puncher.. This combination is capable of less than 1/2" grpup with a quality barrel. I also have a 338 Lapua improved which allows the availability and use of the best brass, Lapua
I find it amusing, it’s impossible to please everyone when you make these types of lists. Myself I am a huge fan of the 280ai, in my opinion it’s the best for most applications. You get similar knock down power to the 7mm rem mag but with less recoil.
Well, it's partly because a lot of shooters are pmpous about X being better than Y because they use X and have heard a bad thing about Y or had one bad experience with it or whatever the case is... but another reason is because the list just simply is wrong lol. Look at what top tier competitors are using for Long Range shooting and compare... it just simply isn't an accurate list of the best. The .280 AI is awesome. I wanted one for a long time, but now I think the 7 PRC makes more sense. Accomplishes my purpose for the rifle more effectively.
There is no such thing as bullets knock down power and if that was true bullets knock down what it hit by a bullet why can a bullet go through a pop can and not even make the can move? Many other things can be shot with a bullet then the bullet goes right through and not even moves the thing that was hit. Bullets cause to animal's shock to the nerve system and disrupt the oxygen flow to the body and same goes to the blood flow is disrupted casing shock & death.
@@marcmoore4115 it’s interesting you say that, if I was to do it again I would probably get a 7mm prc over my 280ai. Don’t get me wrong I love my 280ai, but the extra velocity and ability to use the absolute heaviest 7mm bullets is pretty appealing. Sure I can go as heavy as 175g in my 280ai, but the extra capacity would be nice if I was to use 195g Berger eol. I don’t think I could stabilize them in my 280ai even if I tried. Just to heavy and long. I can’t imagine anything walking away from that.
Different calibres for different uses, and even for different budgets, I agree ! I think that too many people jugde a caliber exclusively from their own use, which can be THE BEST caliber for them, but cannot be qualified as THE best caliber on Earth. Hunting, hobby, fun, competition, different uses and different calibers. So, old 30-06, 308, 7-08, are still PERFECTLY valid (not too expensive with time, and don't wear out the barrels too fastly).
Not sure they are real experts on the topic, I’m personally more fond of older loads .308, 30-06, .243 etc. but 6 creedmoor is much better then 6 dasher or 6.5 creedmoor out to 1,000 in terms of low recoil and more forgiving win calls and 300 Norma mag is far superior to the 300 win mag or 300 PRC although I personally prefer the 300 win mag because I’m old
@@nickwaggoner249 Not sure that 6CM is better and so appreciated, on the paper it is very good, but it seems that it is quite wind sensitive (not tried myself yet).
For mule deer 300 WSM works pretty damn good I wouldn't recommend shooting stuff up close if you're using anything bigger than 190 grain bullet and it works on about everything and you can shoot about any long range you want
Thought I heard him say that the 300 win mag was better than the 300 weatherby which is not true. I have owned both and I believe that weatherby has a better case and has a higher velocity I have won more matches with the 300 weatherby than anything else.
The belt on magnum cartridge has zero effect on the life of the brass and all used brass reloaded repeatedly has the same life span. When my brass casings start to harden from heat by firing then I anneal them drop in water when hot then the casings brass is softened and ready again to be reloaded.
You’re obviously just spewing what you heard from others about the belted 7 mag. I handload a 7 rem mag and have gotten 15+ reloads with Hornady brass. On the other hand ballistically the 7prc and 7rem mag are similar but they are not the same by a mile.
@@hmoobshow2482 What you wrote can't for me because as I wrote when my brass is ready for a new start it gets annealed then ready again for reloading. Maybe you like from your own personal experience of shooting the 7 PRC and 7 MM Rem mag tell all of us how the two cartridge's differ greatly seems you think you are an expert on the matter ?
@@hmoobshow2482 I don't own a 7 mm PRC what I know of the cartridge is it was the idea to use 7mm 180 grain bullets seated far out. Now reloading for my 7 mm Rem mag I've already shot those 180grain Burger bullet that had identical trajectory and the 175 grain bullets I use regularly. At 5 grain difference in bullets won't mean diddly squat shooting across a North Oregon coast canyon at Roosevelt Elk. Seating a bullet further out also doesn't mean dilly squat from the Tikka T3 I own or my deceased fathers old Remington 700 in 7mm Rem mag and this old Rem 700 is a Elk killer with so many Roosevelt Elk dead to this 7mm I know longer can remember all the dead Elk it was used on to kill. My father killed Roosevelt Elk with this Rem 700 in 7 mm Rem mag that even today as I have grown up and drive the same forest roads and look at places my father shot from then killed Elk over long canyons I think holy crap that is a long ways over there ! These bullets my father was shooting was the old Nosler ballistic tips in 150 grain before the copper expanding bullets time. What I see of the New 7 mm PRC and all the rest of these New cartridge's is just doing the wheel over again to market to fools . If I had a 7mm PRC - 7 mm Rem mag - 7mm Wby - 7mm STW mag all these can do the exactly same shooting and killing . I will keep my Tikka T3 ultra light in 7 mm Rem mag and it is quiet fun to shoot - extreme for accurate and even overly peppy on the recoil . At 6 pounds with Leupold 4.5x12 scope it is very nice to carry for long walks.
The .270 win is neck & neck in all aspects compared to 6.5 PRC Same with the 6.8 Western vs 7mm WSM, 6.5-284 runs along side the 6.5 PRC, the deer and elk don’t have a degree of dead 1% =100%
In all aspects? No. Difference is the 6.5 PRC has exceptionally better bullets at its disposal, so out past 600yds it will dominate the .270, especially so past 1000yds. Within 600yds though only real difference for hunting is having less windage on the 6.5, making those 600yds shots easier, but with practice it's a non-issue with the .270.
@@marcmoore4115 You are most likely right on the numbers, but I will take a Tried-and-True proven rifle with more than with almost 100 years of hunting kills under its Belt before I will waste my money and chances on a new shiny pop-up toy.
@@lost_demented I put all the numbers into Strelok Pro, as I usually do before I talk numbers. Doesn't hurt to know before I speak 😅 Personally I wouldn't get a .270 Win, because I'd rather get a 6.8 Western or custom .270 WSM. The "tried and trued" aspect really doesn't mean anything in terms of a cartridges performance. It is 99% down to bullet choice, not cartridge choice. All the cartridge does is make that bullet be in a certain velocity range (powder capacity). Only thing "tried and trued" gets you is (usually) more recoil for the performance you get, (usually) less optimised for more efficient bullets, but more easily available ammo and components. I shoot .308, so I'm not going to arhue against older cartridges, I'll just accept that modern cartridges are statistically better.
@@marcmoore4115 Out here in the PMW if you get a shot more than 300 yards you have a serious problem. Its gonna take 5 to 6 hours to get that animal out of the hole you shot it in, and that is if your lucky.
@@lost_demented yup - I can get that. Here in Namibia on a farm, we usually cull from vehicles, but even when I'm hunting proper spot and stalk we just get the car in to pick it up where it's lying, or a couple of the staff guys will pull it to the nearest spot we can drive to. Our farm is also cleared of a lot of the bush that naturally occurs, so if I had all the skill in the world, there'd be no real limit to how far I could shoot except accuracy and bullet performance. I've harvested Gemsbok out at 580m, 589m and 622m with my .308, all were 3 loaded and on our way home within 30-60 minutes or so. For me though, as I love target shooting and licensing limits us to 3 rifles (can get upgraded license but its a ton of hassle), I always try to get dual purpose rifles - .308 was a good started for hunting as it can still be used for PRS. I want to supplement it with a 6 Creed for PRS and a 7 PRC for ELR. Both will also be used for hunting, so they'll be chassis rifles on the heavier side with adjustable weights.
Excellent video. One little correction though. "The `308 can produce groups of 2 moa at 200 yards"... I've personally shot a 308 that produced barely ONE inch groups at 400 yards off the bench with a Silhouette rifle. It all depends on the set up the shooter is using. I was using a Sako 24 inch tapered bull barrel, a McMillan stock, Canjar trigger (no longer in business) and a Leupold fixed 15 power scope. Shot after shot the 308 produced amazing results with 35 years old target bullets which were 168 grains boatail Hornady hollopoints and at 400 yards and beyond a Sierra 190 grains boatail hollopoint. Although with a 1/12.... rate of twist one would think that the 190 grains bullet would be too long, Sierra makes target bullets that have a bearing surface of less than 35%, thus allowing these longer for twist bullets to stabilize perfectly. My point is that the 308 is capable of exceptional accuracy. A "2 inch group at 200 yards" or better is common fare for most if not all modern cartridges and calibers and isn't a spectacular group. Ask more informed contemporary long distance shooters who know far more than I do. To be exact my little experiment was more than 35 years ago, it took place in 1985, 39 years ago. A good round never goes out of style. You say that the 300 Win Mag gave a flatter trajectory than the 300 Weatherby magnum...That is completely false and is the other way around. The 300 Weatherby has a 100 to 200 fps edge over the Win Mag, easily shooting 180 grains projectiles at well over 3200 fps, close to 3300 for that matter; and accurately so. The 300 Win Mag when with good ammunition or good reloads will slightly exceed 3100 fps, however with older loads, it barely was shooting over 2900 fps while the Weatherby achieved close to the same speeds mentioned above over 30 years ago. With the advent of the availability of range finders, a comparatively extremely flat trajectory is no longer as essential as it used to be but the fact remains, you were giving the 300 Win Mag false credit. I shoot both and enjoy both and I'm extremely familiar with both and have owned over the years three 300 Win Mag rifles and four 300 Weatherby rifles. I started shooting these centerfire cartriges in the late 1970s and am well informed on the subject.
use a 25-06 or a 30-06 they can do it all,, if your shots are in the woods,,get a 308,,it has some reach too ,if you need it, those three cartridges are proven ,,,this hype about the 7prc,,,,,,same as a 7mm rem mag,, but all the manbuns claim its the new creedmoor,, the 6.5prc just like a 270 win,, as far as shots on big game at too far ranges,,,if thats your thing,,,then quit hunting and just shoot targets,,
By what you wrote it is pretty clear you are one them ignorant east coast hunter who sits in a heated deer stand with 2 24 cold packs of beer and a BBQ hanging out the window and nice old recliner in the plywood deer stand that is 20 feet up on stilts. You think the whole US is one big flat Ohio field all the way to the Pacific Ocean. The only deer you shoot at is walking 50 feet from the deer stand as set your beer and BBQ ribs down to take a shot with a 30-06 deer gun you think has more power than a 50 BMG !
@@Mike-xi4zt Where I am at now the state and lumber companies have closed millions of acers of forest lands and put up No Trespassing signs and this all of the Pacific NW. It is believed this closing off areas traditional for hunting is part of the Fascist communist democrats plan to move from outlawing guns to total gun confiscation by saying Hunting is not allowed so why do you need a gun? Where the state does allow hunters on the land are gated and at the gates looks like a shopping center parking lot of vehicles from Hunters. Normally is some forest land newly logged off and all of these green horn hunters are there with orange caps all looking at each other. So, paying for any out of state license becomes better than wasting money to hunt here! I have actually gone from Oregon to Pennsylvania to hunt deer because lands are closed off here. I have now switched tactics for hunting by hunting by boat Islands in the Columbia River and Willamette River, so I have zero other hunters I see and allot of deer that never been hunted.
I agree that the .308 WIN and the .300 WIN Magnum are terrific long-range calibers. People quickly forget that numerous military snipers used .308 WIN rifles for many years. But what about the new 6.8 Western? It appears to be an upgraded. 270 WIN that can handle heavier bullets--and the the .270 WIN is no slouch, especially at long ranges with 130-150 gr. bullets. And I wouldn't dismiss the .30-06 Springfield nor the .243 WIN as long-range alternatives. We won two world wars with mainly rifles chambered for .30-06 Springfield rounds. And plenty of small deer and antelope and long-range varmint hunters know the effectiveness of the .243 WIN.
I just purchased a Christiansen Arms in the 6.8 Western. I’m still breaking in the barrel, but I’m loving it so far. The accuracy is excellent with only 1 box fired through it so far. From what I’ve read, it only gets better till I’ve reached the full break in process. It’s a light weight rifle due to its short action, which is the biggest reason why I choose the 6.8 Western over the 7 PRC. They are both terrific cartridges though. I couldn’t be happier! Choice Ammunition company has a good variety of ammo to choose from as well as a few others that offer hand loaded ammo.
Sometimes people should understand that if you hunting big game you not worry about Recoil and get a decent caliber for the Job at hand. Understand smaller Calibers do not transfer the knockdown or shock or blood trail of a larger caliber
I like my 7mm rem mag in my Remington 40x. Can load from 100gr hp for long range woodchuck to 178gr boat tail for large game. A 120gr spire point can deliver a point blank range out to 520 yds no more then 5” above or below bore sight
Let me say this up front the 6.5 creed is a good target and small game round but it is not an elk cartridge and I don’t know why anyone would pith it as such.sure people have done it but it is to small.now with that said it is great for pronghorn and smaller game.for me smallest cartridge I would use for elk to pronghorn would be 270 win or 7mm-08. I personally use a 308,270 win,300 win mag,300 wsm,30-06 or 7mm-08 and soon to be also 280 Ackley Improved for elk and below sized game.for moose size game I believe and big 30 or 338 is what should be used . I am wanting to add a .264 caliber cartridge to my line up for deer and smaller game but haven’t yet.my favorite cartridge of all time is the 308 win and is the cartridge I have the most expensive with shooting or loading for and any time I go to the woods with it I am very confident
This is easy long range accuracy. The PRC’s have taken over. The 6.5, 700 and 300 are just amazing at distances 750yards plus. They’ve taken the all time bests and made them better. I shoot long range and I felt like a jack wagon when I was put in my place with these cartridges. However the old reliables still hold their place in my heart
Suprised the new 7 prc wasn't on there. Basically 300 win mag ballistics in a 7mm bullet for lower recoil. And if you can handle the recoil of a 300 win mag, why not just go to the 300 prc as its more accurate than the win mag. The prc's are changing the game.
Because this video is made by someone who just searched the exact name of the video and then read the article he found... just like 99% of all the other videos like this. Now, I fully agree that the 7 PRC should have been here. It might be too soon, but I'd argue that it currently is the perfect magnum. See, the 7 PRC actually has very similar recoil to the .300 Win Mag in a 12lbs rifle. Noticeably less at 22ft-lbs vs the .300s 25ft-lbs, but nowhere near the .28 Noslers 27ft-lbs. But the difference is that the .300 Win Mag has significantly worse ballistics. To 1000yds (10mph wind), the .300 Win Mag firing a Nosler 220gr Custom Competition at 2750fps it requires 7.6 MIL Elevation at 1.4 MIL windage. The 7 PRC firing the 180gr ELD-M at 3050fps only requires 5.6 for Elevation and 0.9 for Windage. The .300 Win Mag hits the transonic zone at 1550yds, whereas the 7 PRC only hits it at 2200yds, making the 7mm a much better choice for 1 Mile+ targets. Within reasonable hunting distances of 500yds, there will be no noticeable difference. Push it to 800 and it will become quite noticeable.
Accuracy isn't made by one type of cartridge it takes a well-made rifle and good quality ammunition. If accuracy was only made by a kind of cartridge, then why is the 7.62x39 called a bad accuracy cartridges but when fired in a CZ rifle or one of my AR 15s I've used a Pac Nor super match barrel the 7.62x39 is a nail driver in accuracy?
@lurebenson7722 yes its true that cartridge alone does not accuracy make. But few to no loadings have been coordinated in manufacturing with such tolerances between cartridges and guns as the prc lineups. Higher tolerances between rifles and loads do lead to increased accuracy, absent factors introduced by the shooter. Historically, when most cartridges were developed, tolerances were not as tight, so when gun manufacturers built guns for them in mass production, the lower tolerances introduced more variability. That's why rifles chambered in the prc lineup have been slower to market. It's been harder for gun manufacturers to make the rifles in mass that meet the required specs. Also, I guess perhaps my use of the term accuracy was less accurate 😅. More to the point is that the 7prc can do what the 300 win mag can do ballistically long range with flatter trajectory and less recoil.
@@lurebenson7722 you are absolutely correct. The rifle and ammunition being matched to each other are what decides accuracy. However, with the improved tighter chamber tolerances, the newer cartridges have an easier time of having even the cheapest rifles be very accurate and factory ammo is more likely to work well out of the rifles. Also, all else being equal - a .300 Win Mag, even with a 220gr won't print the same groups as a .300 PRC with a 245gr Berger or 250gr A-Tip at long range, because of the BC. The further out you go, obviously the more noticeable the difference will be.
Anyone have or have you ever fired a 7-30 Waters round? I recently inherited the pistol with a 16” barrel but only 6 rounds of ammo. Looking for more ammo or casings. Having an extremely tough time finding either.
I have been getting the exact opposite in regards to reports of the 6.5 creedmore lethality…lots of reports of hunters losing animals while hunting with this cartridge and it’s popularity is starting to wane somewhat…I like the old cartridges myself…it’s pretty hard to beat a 243 for all around shooting…
@@christopherjackman3720 one would think a hunter would have enough sense to use proper ammunition when hunting…🤦🏻♂️…I’ve been hearing the newer 6.5 calibers that are coming out are leaps and bounds better than the creedmore…years ago my dad had a buddy who would come hunting with him and he had a Husqvarna rifle chambered in 6.5x55 and that thing was a tac driver and deer dropper!..such a good rifle!
I know guys that use the same as what you are talking about. They love the gun. I have the Ruger American in 6.5 Creedmore and love it. I do use target loads at the range, but I make sure I leave them at home when hunting. So far I have made kill shots out to 300 meters and know that there is potential for longer shots. All I can say is know your gun and ammo.
@@christopherjackman3720 indeed!..if a 243 can drop deer at 300-400 yards then so can a 6.5 creedmore…I’m not a fan of heavy recoiling calibers these days and that 243 is pretty sweet!..
Yea I'm less than 6 months in and if you fail to mention the 224 valkerie and the 7mmprc please review your choices and make another video proving choices over these. 1.23 for factory match .82 reload and 1500 yards with 1200 custom AR. 7mmprc 2200 yards of unbelievable accurate. So new factory ammo a little hard to find but do able especially on line around 2.00 a round. Less than a 1000 fully rigged even with 600.00 scope.
It's because 99% of these videos are made by searching an article and basically just reading it. The .224 Valkyrie had potential but unfortunately has a ton of issues with getting it to shoot accurately and consistently. The .22 Creedmoor set to begin being loaded by Hornady in January next year will likely fix all of those issues, but it is quite overbore, capable of firing 80gr bullets over 3200fps and 70gr over 3400fps. I feel like a custom .22 GT or .22 BR is a better option there, to avoid burning up barrels. Lack of mentioning the 7 PRC is rediculous. I'd personally tout it as the perfect magnum at the moment. Slightky less recoil than a .300 Win Mag, but crushes it ballistically.
.300 PRC Uses a higher bc projectile than the 300 win mag, with a heavier for Caliber bullet enabling the 300 PRC to effectively hit targets at farther ranges.
Everything i pointed my 25-06 at died. Too light for elk, but i thinks its a great whitetail round! For Larger stuff the 6.8 western really looks like its got a ton of promise!
300 H&H 180 grain or a 270 Winchester 130 grain. Both 300 and 270 have almost the same trajectory. Old cartridges that are still getting it done. Can't go wrong with either in a pre-64 Winchester Model 70
The 6.5 Creedmore for 2000lb African antelope. Get real, if you limit the 6.5 CM to deer sized game you’ll be ok. You’d do much better hunting with the 6.5 PRC.
@@ernestdaniel291 The 30-06 is no long-range cartridge it is a deer gun for max 300 yard shots on deer and you idiot east coast fools think the 30-06 has more power than a 50 BMG !
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I still like the 30-06
You are still forgetting one of the best killers of all time, the 270win!
I will stick with .308 Winchester as it's a good all around rifle cartridge for anything I would ever do with a rifle, which is mainly shooting steel and paper targets. If I want something with more reach, then it's either a .300 Win Mag or a .338 Lapua Magnum, which should be on this list as people have reached two miles with it.
Yep
.308Win is my go-to hunting cartridge. I've taken more deer with .308 than all other cartridges combined. Its an amazing hunting cartridge.
That said. I own a .338 Lapua (Savage 110 FCP HS Precision) .. They can be very accurate... but factory loading, which are now running over $7 a round, aren't the best for it.
My long range precision shooter is actually my 110 Elite Precision in .300PRC. No need to handload with it as the specifications are so tight that you won't actually gain much over factory ammo..
If you wanna shoot paper/steel at 1,000 then I would highly suggest the 300PRC over the 338Lapua.. Though if you wanna hunt elk/bison.. 338 would do a better job.
I'm sticking with my red rider, BB gun
You must like field dressing mice.
You could get a moose with that round
You'll put someone's eye out with that thing Ralphie 😂😂😂
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Are you handloading that?😅
What about the winchester .270? It is a flat shooting round and is good for most North American animals.
LOVE MY 7 Mag. for almost 45 years. Never lost a white tail and most of them fell immediately.
What about the 270 Winchester? Greatest all around..... in my opinion 😊
7mm Rem Mag #1
I really have been impressed with the long range performance of my 270 Winchester Short Magnum with the advantage of a good range finder I have taken deer and elk out to a distance of 650 yards. But I also switch between the 270 WSM and my Remington 7mm that carries more energy to a longer range. I load the 270 with 140 grain bullets and the 7mm with 165 grain rounds. Both have a similar flight path but the 7mm carries more energy farther down range.
The downfall of anything 270, is the lack of high BC bullets
270 jumps to much making hard to see impacts ?love my 270 for hunting but long range target not so much???
In about 1 month from now I should have my new reamer - 270-7PRC. I'm going to test 170 grain Berger VLDs and 165 Nosler ABLR. I necked down a 7PRC case to 270. It will exceed the WSM version but I'm not sure by how much. Definitely more case capacity.
7mm rem. Mag can't be beat!
Agreed...I guide for bighorn hunts in Idaho and Wyoming and that is the round i use and recommend. Surprised it wasn't listed here at #1.
The .300 Win Mag or a .338 Lapua are the premier large range cartridges that are reasonably priced. I still shoot a 30-06 since ammo is so Freaking cheap. Here In Alaska the 30-06 is so pervasive it's actually used for currency! 2 rounds is worth a dollar in the outback and 3 rounds is worth a dollar in big Cities. At bars bullets are used to barter for booze.
2-3 rounds for$1?? sounds like an arbitrage opportunity!
@@perseusrex614 *Wait until the 300 Trillion $$$$ Bond Bubble pops in 2032! Bullets will be worth way more than 'Paper' and are 100% inflation proof.*
Do you think I could order 1 box car full of 168g 30-06 at the 3 for a dollar price?
@@dakotaman4861 *You will have to talk to the criminals running the PRIVATELY OWNED Federal Reserve Bank and their interest rate polices. 3 for a dollar is over with forever!!!*
OK, here I do have to admit that the 300 WM is one of my favorites for long range,... but I prefer the 30-06...
300, '06, 7mm all in the same class and the 'Big 3' for hunting rounds.
Get yourself a .375CT // .408CT and double your distance ;)
30-06 is eternal
I'll stick with the 25-06 and 7mm mag.. they have proven themselves time and time again over the years.
I have the same mix. Its all about bullet placement to get the job done.
I will keep my 270 thanks !
Best all around do everything caliber is 7 mm magnum
Best for developing flinch and sore shoulder.
I lean towards the .300 win mag myself but wouldn’t argue either way. The 7mms and .30 cals in general have been the kings of all purpose versatility out of rifles that don’t have to weigh 13 pounds or have concussive brakes for most folks willing to put the practice in to be able to shoot well
I work as the supervisor of a sporting goods department in Northern Saskatchewan, lot less “tactical” shooters, a lot more dedicated big game hunters.
As much as I love my .300 win it is a fact I’ve observed that the .30-06 and 7mm rem mag hands down remain the most popular hunting rifles and ammo sold here.
I do see a lot of .308, 300 win mag, .270 win, 6.5 creed, and especially the 7mm-08 sold here as well. That 7-08 is a wickedly efficient and practical cartridge, and only growing in popularity as people continue to discover its great utility and balanced performance.
Cool. I'm sticking with my 7mm Rem Mag. Out to 250 yards, I call it my Laser as I don't care if the animal is on the move or if the wind is blowing at 15 + it's there before there is any noticeable effect. My type of hunting doesn't put me that far away. Caribou is a good step out but you usually have time to make some adjustments a few bench sightings at 500 a few days early and your good to go. When it gets out there well it has plenty of energy left. Don't get me wrong I have had my day with the 300 Weatherby. I was started out on a Lee Enfield, then a 30 06 settled back to a 308 for over 15 years loved it. Shot the thing out in that time I dabbled with several calibers but nothing has put a smile on my face like my 300 Rem Mag 😊👍❤ on target at the range or out in the field. But I will not argue with anyone of these other cartridges that you have brought up today. When you're at the range splitting grains and experimenting with different powders. I have my sweet load and it hasn't let me down yet. At the top of the mountain, down in the valley or out on the Prairie. Be safe and have a blast😊👍❤
Well said! It’s often not the bow, it’s the Indian. I’ve taken white tail with 25-06, 270, 300 wm, 264 wm, .260 rem, 7mm stw and 30-30. You can make a mess with em all. Shot placement and confidence is the key. I’ll second ammo choice. I switched from using nosler partitions to Barnes for everything I eat. Works great and no odd lead chunks in your meat.
Everybody seems to forget the 7 mm FTW
I’ll take the 270 over the 6.5 cm
Me too
This video is supposed to be for Long Range, not hunting. Once you get past 600, the 6.5 - due to higher Ballistic Coefficient - will surpass the .270s capabilities, all while having less recoil.
Don't get me wrong, the .270 is an awesome hunting cartridge, but ballistics don't lie and at Long Range, ballistics is king.
@@marcmoore4115 it showing hunting animal targets
@@Mj-CWO4 the video title is "Best Long Range Calibers for 2024" and he's showing the 6.5 PRC as having over a mile max range... no one is hunting at a mile.
The issue is, these videos are made for clicks, by trying to please everyone and then not deliver on what they promised.
If you really want to know what the best hunting catridge is for elk, anything around the size of 6.5 Creed all the way up to .338 Win Mag works fine, for deer anything from .243 up to .30-06 works fine without being overkill. It's that simple.
If you want to know the real best Long Range target cartridges, look up what's being used in PRS for cartridges within 1200yds and for ELR just look up King of 1 Mile cartridges. Easy peasy.
Sir, with all due respect, 6.5 bleedmoor and the words flat and fast should not be in the same sentence. I watched a friend shoot 2 deer on the same hunting trip with his (fast 6.5) he never gets either deer. A friend of my brother lost a 370 class elk at 150 yards broadside with a 6.5. I will use my flintlock before buying a 6.5 bleedmoor. The 7mm-08 does everything the Creedmoor does
These are not mine,you left off 30-06 , 7mm rem mag, 264 win mag
Classic choices, however i suspect this video isn’t aimed at handloaders only and if you want to get full .264 win mag performance with modern high bc bullets that’s a handloading only proposition. I take it you load your own?
What kind of rifle is your .264 Winnie if you don’t mind my asking? I’m drooling at the moment over a classic pre-64 Winchester M70 in .264 win with the full 26 inch barrel as God intended…🤣
I just keep my old Remington. 25-06, Winchester .30-30 and my .308 Savage. You can't go wrong. Anything on 2 and 4 legs are not a problem. Any questions??
Strange to see people resting the barrel on their shooting sticks - almost guaranteed to change the P.O.I.
Also a lot of calling a "cartridge" a "caliber". These things are a little like scratching your chalk on a black board for those who shoot a lot.
And barrel harmonics
What's your verdict on the 7mm Rem Mag??
Sounds to me like all these new cartridges that you are mentioning are paying you to promote them. The good old and proven .30-06, .270, .243, .308, is all you need, and the ammo is so much cheaper than the new stuff. I am glad that you put the .300 win mag in there as that is in my opinion the gun for everything! Cheaper ammo once again. Slso very pleased that you mention the .264 win mag.
Yeah.... that's the way it works!
This video is about "Long Range shooting cartridges"... a .30-06, .270, .243, .308 and even .300 Win Mag don't come anywhere near as effective *at Long Range* as their respective newer cartridges. It just simply is fact.
At 600 yards they'll all do fine, but push it to and past 1000 and half these cartridges you mentioned won't have the Ballistic Coefficient capabilities to be accurate, nor consistent (with exception to .300 Win Mag, which will work fine to ~1500yds with a 220gr match bullet).
Compare it to the new cartridges, which usually have less recoil and higher BCs, making them much better options for Long Range shooting, there is no competition.
The closest to being competitive in any discipline of target shooting (other than tactical, which is .223 and .308 only) currently is the .243 running 90-100gr match bullets - but even that gets crushed by the much smaller 6mm Dasher using 105-115gr match bullets... hence the 6mm Dasher is dominating PRS and NRL.
For Extreme Long Range it's a mix up wildcats and some factory cartridges like the .300, 6.5 and now 7mm PRC, but .300s using 225gr+ bullets and .338s using 280gr+ bullets are most popular.
Btw I shoot and hunt with a .308... im just not daft enough to ignore the ballistic advantages of newer cartridges.
Cheaper? I’m guessing you haven’t priced the ammo for these guns you know nothing about
@@JasonAnderson-vk8hd maybe your high! You know nothing my friend!
I would say what is bothersome to me and is very apparent is most all of the video uploaders and commenters are from the East coast and from my own personal experiences as a Hunting guide from the Pacific NW to working in Alaska and travel to East coats trade shows to sell my services I can say having like 100 east coast hunters in a group 99 of them believe the rest of the US is a Hugh Ohio flat bean or corn field so these hunters things great use the common deer guns and that is all these East coast hunter know about and try to tell them the Pacific NW is massive mountains and canyons we have to shot over so deer guns just down work here these idiots want to argue and tell me I am wrong.
The most used rifle calibers with be 1st anyone of the 30 calibers magnums and 7 mm Rem mag and we have many who have rifles in 50 BMG for Elk hunt over Hugh canyons.
how about the 300 WSM, which is a shorter, flatter shooting 300 Win Mag.
Why would it be flatter shooting if it has 10% less powder? Typically the faster the round the flatter it shoots, given the same bullet.
Genuine question, I'm not familiar with WSM.
The 300wsm taught med that it does not kill reindeer quicker or deader than the 6,5x55. Sold it an now do my hunting with the good old 6,5. Benefits; better practical field precision and better view of the animals during recoil.
For hog sized game up to about 500 yards I stick with my Mk.4 Lee Enfield in .303 British. Been in the family since before I was born and still works just fine.
I have started using a 270WSM It is a flat shooting rifle.
What about the 7mm mag
What do you think of the 300 WSM?
6.5 creed makes no sense. Unless you NEED a short action (roll eyes) the 6.5 Swede has been doing the same thing (same ballistics with same bullet) for more than 130 YEARS! Most swede shooters would say the creedmoor is no more accurate. In fact the 6.5x55 is STILL used in national matches. Plus the swede handles bigger bullets, and has been used for moose literally for a century. Its actually got a bigger case capacity, and if shooting a modern rifle and loading your own, its amazing. Cheers.
Problem is the Swede has a 1:10 standard twist, which means you can't run the very heavy match bullets. Overall though, yes. Biggest issue with the swede is finding rifles and ammo.
@@marcmoore41156,5 x 55 scan has a standard twist? Last i checked the twist is in the barrel, a faster twist barrel will sort out the heavier bullets
@@yesthisisdog89 idk why I said 1:10. It's usually 1:9 or 1:8.66, but neither will be guaranteed to work with 147-156gr match bullets, which with reloads it could probably push fast enough to make it worth using them.
Any cartridge can get a fast twist barrel - but that means you either need to find a rifle that has a faster twist, or replace the barrel.
@@yesthisisdog89 also, all cartridges have a "standard twist". That just signifies the twist rate it was designed for and SAAMI has it listed for.
@@marcmoore4115 yep, think my point was, i could go to gunsmith request a 1:8 barrel with 6,5 scan and get it, as i could request a 1:12 barrel in 6,5 scan but more likely would be off the shelf somewhere.
I have a 6.5 grendel and a 308. I don't plan on shooting anything over 400 yrds. I don't need anything else.
You forgot the 7mm 08 and 25 06
There is NOTHING the 6.5 Creedmoor does that the 25-06 won't just kick the shit out of it.
Not true. Buy yourself some ballistic software and you will see. 25-06 is awesome, but bullet selection lets it down. 25-06 can drive 120gr bullets. Std twist rates limits you. A 6.5 CM can drive 156gr bullets with higher BC and SD. At 1000m the 6.5 CM has 50% more energy than 25-06 due to high BC bullets. This doesnt mean you should sell your 25-06 and buy a 6.5CM. If you inly shoot 500m, your 25-06 will be perfect. It just offers more options to new buyers.
Simply not true, as the other comment mentioned.
The only thing that would change that outcome though is if you got a .25-06 with a fast twist rate of 1:7.5 or maybe 1:8 to drive the new 134 and 135gr match bullets very fast. Then you would indeed crush the 6.5 Creed at and even past 1000yds.
You remind me of a Army guy who failed to qualify due to the recoil of his M16A2 🤣
The 25-06 wins easily, especially for hunting where the added velocity makes shooting running game more predictable than quail shooting. I shoot a 25-06 AI at 3200 fps with 131g-134g bullets in a 7.5 twist barrel. It has enough energy at 1000 yards to hit mule deer like the hammer of Thor. My 100g deer and antelope bullets are great out to 500 yards. They travel at 3550 (3350 for the standard 25-06 Rem) and the shocking power is unearthly just like the .257 Weatherby. My 75g-90g coyote and fox bullets travel at 3950 and 3750 respectively, making a 50g 22-250 look like a plow horse after 200 yards. If you apply modern science to the barrel geometry of a 25-06 using a 7.5-8 twist barrel as you do with the 6.5 CM, the 25-06 blows it away.
Stockpiling?
just returned from a guided pig hunt, my son and son-in-law both made kill shots at 540 yards and 600 yards with 7mag and 300 win mag. great guns especially the 7 mag.
07:14 yup precise shot no dought with the barrel on the stand
I have hunted and used a .270 (Remington Sendero) and a .270 (Remington A-Bolt) for over 20 years. Being fortunate to have well over 1,000 acres in which to hunt, I have taken whitetail deer, hogs, and coyotes beyond 500 yards on many occasions with store bought ammo. As far as deciding which rifle of the two I use, if I am going to be walking a long distance or stalk hunting, I carry the A-bolt (simply because it is much lighter) or if I am going to be in a large 300 acre open area or a stand most of the day, I carry the Sendero. Both are literally tack drivers. I would not recommend either to a young or beginning hunter because they do have a lot of recoil, not so much with the Sendero because of its weight. Both of these .270's have provided plenty of meat for my family and friends well over 20 years.
Hard to beat a 300wm with a 180ttsx
For hunting, sure. But not for Long Range, as this video is supposed to be. Simply put, the new 7 PRC crushes the performance of the .300 once you pass 800yds, even with a 220gr match bullet in the .300.
But for hunting within 600yds there would be no noticeable difference between the two using equivalent bullets.
But some hard to get ammunition here 8n Canada I've been waiting all year none
@@fredbartlett4394 for sure, but over time it'll grow. 6.5 and .300 PRC have barely arrived here in Namibia. 7 PRC will probably take amother year or 2.
If you're reloading, you could use .300 PRC or .375 Ruger cases trimmed to length and then sized, to make 7 PRC or even 6.5 PRC cases.
I would most likely order 100 or 200 pieces of brass with the rifle when I get a 7 PRC and then I'd be set for a long time.
I will stick with the 308 and 300 win mag. You can push a 110 grain bullet for the 300 win mag at 3,600 fps. And out performs a lot of othe cartridges.
Me as well. 308 for my long range hits.
@@bobpritchard979 Surely the 308 can put a bullet out there a long way but the energy is very lacking and a bad idea to be used to shoot large game with a high risk of causing wounding then tracking or loss of the animal that dies latter to become coyote & Buzzard snacks.
taking down and keeping down large animals deer size and larger at distances takes a Hunters responsibility and proper morals to use more gun than what is needed to ensure the animal doesn't get away.
I am currently 63 yrs. old and from the age of 16 I have used from a 7 mm Rem mag to a 300-win mag to make sure what I shot at stayed down.
Now I am a user of the 300 Wby mag - 7 mm Rem mag - 9.3x62 Mauser and an AR 10 I've done in 375 -300 WSM which no animal is going to get away after shot.
Yes I got both one set for hunting and another for Target I love them both 😀😀😀👍👍❤️❤️🦘🇦🇺🇺🇸
Problem with a 110 out of a 30 cal that 3600 fps has dropped to less than a creedmoor at 400 yards due to the crap bc
@davidnelson5728 out of a 28 inch barrel 300 Win Mag I can hit 4,000 ft per second with a 110 grain bullet.
What about the 7mm Rem mag ? Flat, fast and readily available
280 could be the best 'round calibre. Lot of 7mm bullets. Handloaded (in 30-06 brass) I came to 7mm Mag velocity. It takes more powder than 30-06
Absolutely true mate 👍👍👍
7x64 even better...
prefer the 7 saum myself
Definitely 7mm magnum, 28 Nosler, 270, 270 wsm, 300 wsm, 30-06 and 6.8 western. Pluss 7mm-08 is better than the 308.😁👍👍👍
I agree ☝️ I love my 7mm-08 , have owned many .308’s and a whole bunch of different standard cartridges as well as magnums, and I find myself grabbing the Tikka T3X Hunter 7mm-08 as my GoTo rifle for ‘most’ applications . It won my heart over my .308 rifles . It’s an amazingly impressive performer.
I have a 180 grain British 303 how good is it
7mm Rem Mag is a beast to not make the list. It's a bit much for white tail but everything up from there and serious ballistic numbers.
A cartridge I’m very interested in is 300PRC. If you haven’t seen anything on it hornady has a couple videos on this round. It’s a more modernized and “efficient” 300 win mag. As far as I can see it’s a much better all around cartridge.
Honestly, I'd say the newer 7 PRC is an even better option. The only bullets for the .300 PRC that compete with the 180-195gr 7mm bullets in terms of BC are the 240-250gr bullets - but the .300 PRC can only push them around 2600-2700fps, whereas the 7 can oush the same or higher BC bullets at nearly 3000fps with way less recoil. It has better ballistics the whole way to a mile and it's plenty for hunting elk as well.
I'm looking to get one for ELR target shooting at 1400m+ and as a secondary hunting rifle if I know I'm shooting further than normal.
I love mine / 300 PRC. Hornady 225 match.
HI, nice report; pretty many US cartridges, yet, over here in EU, we still have old cartridges doing very well for the past 100/120 years... 6,5 swede, 7x57and 7x64 Mauser, etc..
Did manage to get 6,5 Swed about some 40 years plus ago...... 6,5 is still my favor.... accurate and low recoil...... no need for a bigger and no mammut or dinosaur here around
I have owned and hunted with many various cartridges from Michigan whitetails and black bear to Colorado elk and mule deer to Wyoming antelope to Texas javelina . I’ve used everything from 300 WM / 300 WSM , 7mm REM Mag, .30-06. .308 , .280 Remington, .270 Winchester, .243 Winchester and they ALL are very effective and have their place . My favorite was the .280 Remington, it just does everything really well and the recoil is manageable.
However , I’ve recently been shooting a new rifle in my collection ( Tikka T3X Hunter ) chambered in 7mm-08 Remington and I have to say it holds the edge over the .308 Winchester due to its high BC’s and SD’s , less recoil , wind drift , flatter trajectory and better retained down range energy . It actually started life as a wildcat cartridge and was used specifically FOR long range silhouette shooting south of the border in Mexico for many years long before it ever became a commercialized cartridge , and it was favored for good reason due to the above mentioned characteristics.
So I would say for the sake of the title in this video “ best long range cartridges “ , I would give honorable mentions to the tried and true venerable 7mm-08 Remington.
And the most surprising ones that weren’t mentioned here for modern day cartridges competing in the long range shooting and hunting community are the 6.8 Western and the .280 Remington AI .
6.8 Western
The 9,3 x 64 Brenneke. You can use the 225 gr for long range or the 293 grain for big game, when you stay with factory loads. For hand loading the range is from 154 to 324 gr. As a sniper round it is used in the Dragunov sniper rifle with a 256 gr bullet and 2520 ft/s muzzle velocity, before that in the Los. It has a very high accuracy. Perhaps you should also have a look at the 7 x 64. The favourite in Nordic countries for competition shouting is still the good old 6,5 x 55 today to SKAN specification.
I have one 9,3x64. Great Caliber. Very accurate. Same energy or more than 375 H&H .Very variable in reloading. Great Powder to Performance ratio. Better than 9,3x62. Heavy recoil in light rifles with factory ammunition . Underrated.
Disappointed that you overlooked the .338 Lapua Mag. Saw stats that blew away the 5.6CM at 1000+ targets.
Well of course. The .338 Lapua Magnum that sits on over 90gr of powder and up to 300gr bullets - more than double of what the 6.5 Creedmoor uses.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is designed as a *moderate* recoil high precision cartridge for PRS style competition, which requires extremely minimal recoil. In fact, in todays competition, even the 6.5 Creedmoor is seen as high recoil for PRS matches with the most popular being the 6mm Dasher and BRs.
Now, the .338 Lapua Magnum on the other hand is no longer the best Extreme Long Range target cartridge. It's been surpassed by the .33 XC, .33 Nosler, .33 Sherman Magnum and even the .300 PRC, .300 Norma Magnum Improved, .300 Lapua Magnum Improved (.30s using 240gr+ bullets) and many more.
338 lapua factory ammo runs from $110 per box of 20 to over $140 per box. Even handloads can be pricey with the large case capacity. Not many can afford to shoot it.
What about the 6.5 grendel?? I have 6 AR15s in 6.5 grendel from 12.5" to 24" barrel length all BCA uppers except 1 Alexander arms 18" all shoot sub moa & my 18",20",24"shoot quarter sized groups @600yds! The only downside is ammo availability since covid, but it seems to be more readily available now, absolutely my favorite whitetail round & lethal on hogs too& very little recoil, awesome kids gun in a bolt action,super accurate,light recoil, great knockdown power! Have taken several elk with a 16" BCA side charging grendel, last one@315yds! 1shot& dropped immediately with a Hornaday 130gr sst!Love my grendels! Capt J
Full of b s quarter sized groups at six hundred yards and dropping elk and stuff in one shot at that range you're full of crap
6.5-300 Weatherby for deer and 30-378 for elk. Flattest production cartridge and fastest .30 cal.
Over kill
And you better load yourself, your not finding that ammo anywhere.
@@JamesJones-cx5pk he does have a good point about flattest cartridges. It does make life easier - but yes, I agree they're overkill. I personally have no problem using my .308 on Gemsbok out to 600m - my furthest being 622m. I am going to get a 7 PRC though, because the difference in wind drift alone is massive - not to mention the retained velocity, retained energy and far less drop of course.
Just reading all this makes my shoulder hurt!!
Most all of the 300 Magnums have great performance on paper...as you're reading about them.
I've seen their awesome power too!
Impressive, but generally over kill too.
They kick too much... is my biggest complaint with most of them.
The 300 WSM is impressive, and a little easier to carry and shoot.... but a 30-06 kicks even less, and is cheaper and ammo is cheaper and easier to find.
@@marcmoore4115 My .308 hammers whitetails near and far. I like SST's for deer because they blow up quick.👍
The 6.5 creedmore great gun for beginners but long range hunting it's not a good choice for large game over 300 yards
The cartridge that has the most retained downrange energy and velocity is always best.
Unless shooting very big game, the best long range hunting cartridge for game is 338 Lapua, 338 ultra mag(edge) 338-378 shooting 180 Nosler Accubond. At 3600fps it drops less than anything and has tremendous downrange remaining energy. Not just a paper puncher.. This combination is capable of less than 1/2" grpup with a quality barrel. I also have a 338 Lapua improved which allows the availability and use of the best brass, Lapua
I know Lapua does the 338 case, but where do you get the 378 case.
I find it amusing, it’s impossible to please everyone when you make these types of lists. Myself I am a huge fan of the 280ai, in my opinion it’s the best for most applications. You get similar knock down power to the 7mm rem mag but with less recoil.
Well, it's partly because a lot of shooters are pmpous about X being better than Y because they use X and have heard a bad thing about Y or had one bad experience with it or whatever the case is... but another reason is because the list just simply is wrong lol.
Look at what top tier competitors are using for Long Range shooting and compare... it just simply isn't an accurate list of the best.
The .280 AI is awesome. I wanted one for a long time, but now I think the 7 PRC makes more sense. Accomplishes my purpose for the rifle more effectively.
There is no such thing as bullets knock down power and if that was true bullets knock down what it hit by a bullet why can a bullet go through a pop can and not even make the can move?
Many other things can be shot with a bullet then the bullet goes right through and not even moves the thing that was hit.
Bullets cause to animal's shock to the nerve system and disrupt the oxygen flow to the body and same goes to the blood flow is disrupted casing shock & death.
@@marcmoore4115 it’s interesting you say that, if I was to do it again I would probably get a 7mm prc over my 280ai. Don’t get me wrong I love my 280ai, but the extra velocity and ability to use the absolute heaviest 7mm bullets is pretty appealing. Sure I can go as heavy as 175g in my 280ai, but the extra capacity would be nice if I was to use 195g Berger eol. I don’t think I could stabilize them in my 280ai even if I tried. Just to heavy and long. I can’t imagine anything walking away from that.
@@CanadianhunterSame!!! Not complaining, though. Don't need any more dies
The 30-06 you can go from 55 grain to 220 grain try that with any other caliber.
7mm rem mag is my long range rifle.
So there
Different calibres for different uses, and even for different budgets, I agree ! I think that too many people jugde a caliber exclusively from their own use, which can be THE BEST caliber for them, but cannot be qualified as THE best caliber on Earth. Hunting, hobby, fun, competition, different uses and different calibers. So, old 30-06, 308, 7-08, are still PERFECTLY valid (not too expensive with time, and don't wear out the barrels too fastly).
I take 308 over 6.5cm when both are 140gr
I take 30-06 over 270 when both are 150gr. Always compare them in same grain weight
Had me untik you said .308 was a better hunter than 30-06
Not sure they are real experts on the topic, I’m personally more fond of older loads .308, 30-06, .243 etc. but 6 creedmoor is much better then 6 dasher or 6.5 creedmoor out to 1,000 in terms of low recoil and more forgiving win calls and 300 Norma mag is far superior to the 300 win mag or 300 PRC although I personally prefer the 300 win mag because I’m old
@@nickwaggoner249 Not sure that 6CM is better and so appreciated, on the paper it is very good, but it seems that it is quite wind sensitive (not tried myself yet).
270 weatherby with 129 grain barnes at 3300 fps, kind of tempting.
For mule deer 300 WSM works pretty damn good I wouldn't recommend shooting stuff up close if you're using anything bigger than 190 grain bullet and it works on about everything and you can shoot about any long range you want
What’s the name of the soft guard wrapped around the barrel and stock and the 9:35min mark
Thought I heard him say that the 300 win mag was better than the 300 weatherby which is not true. I have owned both and I believe that weatherby has a better case and has a higher velocity I have won more matches with the 300 weatherby than anything else.
AND TWICE THE $$$
@@jimmyhaley727I load my own, so the costs are similar.
300 PRC , should make the list because I just got one 😅
I always liked my 3006 165 grain bullet. Bigger game bigger bullets. They’re still easy to find.
7 PRC Basically a 7 MM Rem Mag without the belt making bras last longer.
The belt on magnum cartridge has zero effect on the life of the brass and all used brass reloaded repeatedly has the same life span.
When my brass casings start to harden from heat by firing then I anneal them drop in water when hot then the casings brass is softened and ready again to be reloaded.
You’re obviously just spewing what you heard from others about the belted 7 mag. I handload a 7 rem mag and have gotten 15+ reloads with Hornady brass. On the other hand ballistically the 7prc and 7rem mag are similar but they are not the same by a mile.
@@hmoobshow2482 What you wrote can't for me because as I wrote when my brass is ready for a new start it gets annealed then ready again for reloading.
Maybe you like from your own personal experience of shooting the 7 PRC and 7 MM Rem mag tell all of us how the two cartridge's differ greatly seems you think you are an expert on the matter ?
@@hmoobshow2482 I don't own a 7 mm PRC what I know of the cartridge is it was the idea to use 7mm 180 grain bullets seated far out.
Now reloading for my 7 mm Rem mag I've already shot those 180grain Burger bullet that had identical trajectory and the 175 grain bullets I use regularly.
At 5 grain difference in bullets won't mean diddly squat shooting across a North Oregon coast canyon at Roosevelt Elk.
Seating a bullet further out also doesn't mean dilly squat from the Tikka T3 I own or my deceased fathers old Remington 700 in 7mm Rem mag and this old Rem 700 is a Elk killer with so many Roosevelt Elk dead to this 7mm I know longer can remember all the dead Elk it was used on to kill.
My father killed Roosevelt Elk with this Rem 700 in 7 mm Rem mag that even today as I have grown up and drive the same forest roads and look at places my father shot from then killed Elk over long canyons I think holy crap that is a long ways over there !
These bullets my father was shooting was the old Nosler ballistic tips in 150 grain before the copper expanding bullets time.
What I see of the New 7 mm PRC and all the rest of these New cartridge's is just doing the wheel over again to market to fools .
If I had a 7mm PRC - 7 mm Rem mag - 7mm Wby - 7mm STW mag all these can do the exactly same shooting and killing .
I will keep my Tikka T3 ultra light in 7 mm Rem mag and it is quiet fun to shoot - extreme for accurate and even overly peppy on the recoil .
At 6 pounds with Leupold 4.5x12 scope it is very nice to carry for long walks.
@@lurebenson7722 that comment on brass life was directed towards op and not you
Try using the the 35 Whelen and the 400 Whelen, both from the 1920's and based on the 30-06.
I'd love to know where in this mix you place the 300 prc
MY 6.5X55 , AN OLYMPIC LONG DISTANCE SHOOTING ROUND SINCE THE START OF THE MODERN OLYMPICS, 120 YEARS AND COUNTING...
The .270 win is neck & neck in all aspects compared to 6.5 PRC
Same with the 6.8 Western vs 7mm WSM,
6.5-284 runs along side the 6.5 PRC, the deer and elk don’t have a degree of dead 1% =100%
In all aspects? No. Difference is the 6.5 PRC has exceptionally better bullets at its disposal, so out past 600yds it will dominate the .270, especially so past 1000yds.
Within 600yds though only real difference for hunting is having less windage on the 6.5, making those 600yds shots easier, but with practice it's a non-issue with the .270.
@@marcmoore4115 You are most likely right on the numbers, but I will take a Tried-and-True proven rifle with more than with almost 100 years of hunting kills under its Belt before I will waste my money and chances on a new shiny pop-up toy.
@@lost_demented I put all the numbers into Strelok Pro, as I usually do before I talk numbers. Doesn't hurt to know before I speak 😅
Personally I wouldn't get a .270 Win, because I'd rather get a 6.8 Western or custom .270 WSM. The "tried and trued" aspect really doesn't mean anything in terms of a cartridges performance. It is 99% down to bullet choice, not cartridge choice. All the cartridge does is make that bullet be in a certain velocity range (powder capacity).
Only thing "tried and trued" gets you is (usually) more recoil for the performance you get, (usually) less optimised for more efficient bullets, but more easily available ammo and components. I shoot .308, so I'm not going to arhue against older cartridges, I'll just accept that modern cartridges are statistically better.
@@marcmoore4115 Out here in the PMW if you get a shot more than 300 yards you have a serious problem. Its gonna take 5 to 6 hours to get that animal out of the hole you shot it in, and that is if your lucky.
@@lost_demented yup - I can get that. Here in Namibia on a farm, we usually cull from vehicles, but even when I'm hunting proper spot and stalk we just get the car in to pick it up where it's lying, or a couple of the staff guys will pull it to the nearest spot we can drive to.
Our farm is also cleared of a lot of the bush that naturally occurs, so if I had all the skill in the world, there'd be no real limit to how far I could shoot except accuracy and bullet performance. I've harvested Gemsbok out at 580m, 589m and 622m with my .308, all were 3 loaded and on our way home within 30-60 minutes or so.
For me though, as I love target shooting and licensing limits us to 3 rifles (can get upgraded license but its a ton of hassle), I always try to get dual purpose rifles - .308 was a good started for hunting as it can still be used for PRS. I want to supplement it with a 6 Creed for PRS and a 7 PRC for ELR. Both will also be used for hunting, so they'll be chassis rifles on the heavier side with adjustable weights.
Excellent video. One little correction though. "The `308 can produce groups of 2 moa at 200 yards"... I've personally shot a 308 that produced barely ONE inch groups at 400 yards off the bench with a Silhouette rifle. It all depends on the set up the shooter is using. I was using a Sako 24 inch tapered bull barrel, a McMillan stock, Canjar trigger (no longer in business) and a Leupold fixed 15 power scope. Shot after shot the 308 produced amazing results with 35 years old target bullets which were 168 grains boatail Hornady hollopoints and at 400 yards and beyond a Sierra 190 grains boatail hollopoint. Although with a 1/12.... rate of twist one would think that the 190 grains bullet would be too long, Sierra makes target bullets that have a bearing surface of less than 35%, thus allowing these longer for twist bullets to stabilize perfectly. My point is that the 308 is capable of exceptional accuracy. A "2 inch group at 200 yards" or better is common fare for most if not all modern cartridges and calibers and isn't a spectacular group. Ask more informed contemporary long distance shooters who know far more than I do. To be exact my little experiment was more than 35 years ago, it took place in 1985, 39 years ago. A good round never goes out of style.
You say that the 300 Win Mag gave a flatter trajectory than the 300 Weatherby magnum...That is completely false and is the other way around. The 300 Weatherby has a 100 to 200 fps edge over the Win Mag, easily shooting 180 grains projectiles at well over 3200 fps, close to 3300 for that matter; and accurately so. The 300 Win Mag when with good ammunition or good reloads will slightly exceed 3100 fps, however with older loads, it barely was shooting over 2900 fps while the Weatherby achieved close to the same speeds mentioned above over 30 years ago. With the advent of the availability of range finders, a comparatively extremely flat trajectory is no longer as essential as it used to be but the fact remains, you were giving the 300 Win Mag false credit. I shoot both and enjoy both and I'm extremely familiar with both and have owned over the years three 300 Win Mag rifles and four 300 Weatherby rifles. I started shooting these centerfire cartriges in the late 1970s and am well informed on the subject.
The granddad of all 6.5mm is 264 win mag I'll stay with that.
How does the 7mm PRC stack up?
25-06
.45-70, Probably the best overall, I think the military is re adopting it.
use a 25-06 or a 30-06 they can do it all,, if your shots are in the woods,,get a 308,,it has some reach too ,if you need it, those three cartridges are proven ,,,this hype about the 7prc,,,,,,same as a 7mm rem mag,, but all the manbuns claim its the new creedmoor,, the 6.5prc just like a 270 win,, as far as shots on big game at too far ranges,,,if thats your thing,,,then quit hunting and just shoot targets,,
By what you wrote it is pretty clear you are one them ignorant east coast hunter who sits in a heated deer stand with 2 24 cold packs of beer and a BBQ hanging out the window and nice old recliner in the plywood deer stand that is 20 feet up on stilts.
You think the whole US is one big flat Ohio field all the way to the Pacific Ocean.
The only deer you shoot at is walking 50 feet from the deer stand as set your beer and BBQ ribs down to take a shot with a 30-06 deer gun you think has more power than a 50 BMG !
Great comment my friend, I agree.
I own a 25-06 and a 308. Both 24" barrels. Dont need anything else
Targets are a lot cheaper than non resident big game licences
@@Mike-xi4zt Where I am at now the state and lumber companies have closed millions of acers of forest lands and put up No Trespassing signs and this all of the Pacific NW.
It is believed this closing off areas traditional for hunting is part of the Fascist communist democrats plan to move from outlawing guns to total gun confiscation by saying Hunting is not allowed so why do you need a gun?
Where the state does allow hunters on the land are gated and at the gates looks like a shopping center parking lot of vehicles from Hunters.
Normally is some forest land newly logged off and all of these green horn hunters are there with orange caps all looking at each other.
So, paying for any out of state license becomes better than wasting money to hunt here!
I have actually gone from Oregon to Pennsylvania to hunt deer because lands are closed off here.
I have now switched tactics for hunting by hunting by boat Islands in the Columbia River and Willamette River, so I have zero other hunters I see and allot of deer that never been hunted.
Why no word of the 300 PRC? It said to out perform 338 & 300 win mag
I would like to hear more about the 7mmPRC thanks
I agree that the .308 WIN and the .300 WIN Magnum are terrific long-range calibers. People quickly forget that numerous military snipers used .308 WIN rifles for many years.
But what about the new 6.8 Western? It appears to be an upgraded. 270 WIN that can handle heavier bullets--and the the .270 WIN is no slouch, especially at long ranges with 130-150 gr. bullets.
And I wouldn't dismiss the .30-06 Springfield nor the .243 WIN as long-range alternatives. We won two world wars with mainly rifles chambered for .30-06 Springfield rounds. And plenty of small deer and antelope and long-range varmint hunters know the effectiveness of the .243 WIN.
I just purchased a Christiansen Arms in the 6.8 Western. I’m still breaking in the barrel, but I’m loving it so far. The accuracy is excellent with only 1 box fired through it so far. From what I’ve read, it only gets better till I’ve reached the full break in process. It’s a light weight rifle due to its short action, which is the biggest reason why I choose the 6.8 Western over the 7 PRC. They are both terrific cartridges though.
I couldn’t be happier! Choice Ammunition company has a good variety of ammo to choose from as well as a few others that offer hand loaded ammo.
I have a 338 lapua with a ATN x4 HD 5x20x70 with a 1500 ABL, long range can’t get any easier than that.
Sometimes people should understand that if you hunting big game you not worry about Recoil and get a decent caliber for the Job at hand. Understand smaller Calibers do not transfer the knockdown or shock or blood trail of a larger caliber
I like my 7mm rem mag in my Remington 40x. Can load from 100gr hp for long range woodchuck to 178gr boat tail for large game. A 120gr spire point can deliver a point blank range out to 520 yds no more then 5” above or below bore sight
Let me say this up front the 6.5 creed is a good target and small game round but it is not an elk cartridge and I don’t know why anyone would pith it as such.sure people have done it but it is to small.now with that said it is great for pronghorn and smaller game.for me smallest cartridge I would use for elk to pronghorn would be 270 win or 7mm-08. I personally use a 308,270 win,300 win mag,300 wsm,30-06 or 7mm-08 and soon to be also 280 Ackley Improved for elk and below sized game.for moose size game I believe and big 30 or 338 is what should be used . I am wanting to add a .264 caliber cartridge to my line up for deer and smaller game but haven’t yet.my favorite cartridge of all time is the 308 win and is the cartridge I have the most expensive with shooting or loading for and any time I go to the woods with it I am very confident
This is easy long range accuracy. The PRC’s have taken over. The 6.5, 700 and 300 are just amazing at distances 750yards plus. They’ve taken the all time bests and made them better. I shoot long range and I felt like a jack wagon when I was put in my place with these cartridges. However the old reliables still hold their place in my heart
Suprised the new 7 prc wasn't on there. Basically 300 win mag ballistics in a 7mm bullet for lower recoil. And if you can handle the recoil of a 300 win mag, why not just go to the 300 prc as its more accurate than the win mag. The prc's are changing the game.
Because this video is made by someone who just searched the exact name of the video and then read the article he found... just like 99% of all the other videos like this.
Now, I fully agree that the 7 PRC should have been here. It might be too soon, but I'd argue that it currently is the perfect magnum.
See, the 7 PRC actually has very similar recoil to the .300 Win Mag in a 12lbs rifle. Noticeably less at 22ft-lbs vs the .300s 25ft-lbs, but nowhere near the .28 Noslers 27ft-lbs.
But the difference is that the .300 Win Mag has significantly worse ballistics. To 1000yds (10mph wind), the .300 Win Mag firing a Nosler 220gr Custom Competition at 2750fps it requires 7.6 MIL Elevation at 1.4 MIL windage. The 7 PRC firing the 180gr ELD-M at 3050fps only requires 5.6 for Elevation and 0.9 for Windage.
The .300 Win Mag hits the transonic zone at 1550yds, whereas the 7 PRC only hits it at 2200yds, making the 7mm a much better choice for 1 Mile+ targets.
Within reasonable hunting distances of 500yds, there will be no noticeable difference. Push it to 800 and it will become quite noticeable.
Or a 300 Weatherby....
Accuracy isn't made by one type of cartridge it takes a well-made rifle and good quality ammunition.
If accuracy was only made by a kind of cartridge, then why is the 7.62x39 called a bad accuracy cartridges but when fired in a CZ rifle or one of my AR 15s I've used a Pac Nor super match barrel the 7.62x39 is a nail driver in accuracy?
@lurebenson7722 yes its true that cartridge alone does not accuracy make. But few to no loadings have been coordinated in manufacturing with such tolerances between cartridges and guns as the prc lineups. Higher tolerances between rifles and loads do lead to increased accuracy, absent factors introduced by the shooter. Historically, when most cartridges were developed, tolerances were not as tight, so when gun manufacturers built guns for them in mass production, the lower tolerances introduced more variability. That's why rifles chambered in the prc lineup have been slower to market. It's been harder for gun manufacturers to make the rifles in mass that meet the required specs. Also, I guess perhaps my use of the term accuracy was less accurate 😅. More to the point is that the 7prc can do what the 300 win mag can do ballistically long range with flatter trajectory and less recoil.
@@lurebenson7722 you are absolutely correct. The rifle and ammunition being matched to each other are what decides accuracy. However, with the improved tighter chamber tolerances, the newer cartridges have an easier time of having even the cheapest rifles be very accurate and factory ammo is more likely to work well out of the rifles.
Also, all else being equal - a .300 Win Mag, even with a 220gr won't print the same groups as a .300 PRC with a 245gr Berger or 250gr A-Tip at long range, because of the BC. The further out you go, obviously the more noticeable the difference will be.
Anyone have or have you ever fired a 7-30 Waters round? I recently inherited the pistol with a 16” barrel but only 6 rounds of ammo. Looking for more ammo or casings. Having an extremely tough time finding either.
I have been getting the exact opposite in regards to reports of the 6.5 creedmore lethality…lots of reports of hunters losing animals while hunting with this cartridge and it’s popularity is starting to wane somewhat…I like the old cartridges myself…it’s pretty hard to beat a 243 for all around shooting…
6.5 Creedmore is just fine as long as hunting loads are used instead of target loads. That's why there is loss of animals.
@@christopherjackman3720 one would think a hunter would have enough sense to use proper ammunition when hunting…🤦🏻♂️…I’ve been hearing the newer 6.5 calibers that are coming out are leaps and bounds better than the creedmore…years ago my dad had a buddy who would come hunting with him and he had a Husqvarna rifle chambered in 6.5x55 and that thing was a tac driver and deer dropper!..such a good rifle!
I know guys that use the same as what you are talking about. They love the gun. I have the Ruger American in 6.5 Creedmore and love it. I do use target loads at the range, but I make sure I leave them at home when hunting. So far I have made kill shots out to 300 meters and know that there is potential for longer shots. All I can say is know your gun and ammo.
@@christopherjackman3720 indeed!..if a 243 can drop deer at 300-400 yards then so can a 6.5 creedmore…I’m not a fan of heavy recoiling calibers these days and that 243 is pretty sweet!..
@andrewholmes5014 , Hello I shoot the 270 it is a great round itself a very very flat flight at for a good distance
What’s your thoughts on a 300 PRC
I love my 3006AI c it’s an 06 with 300 win mag a 06 ai can do it all out to 1 mile
Pre-64 model 70
25 inch pac-nor barrel
190 grain ABLR
61 grains Superformance
2960 fps
1/2 inch all day
Yea I'm less than 6 months in and if you fail to mention the 224 valkerie and the 7mmprc please review your choices and make another video proving choices over these. 1.23 for factory match .82 reload and 1500 yards with 1200 custom AR. 7mmprc 2200 yards of unbelievable accurate. So new factory ammo a little hard to find but do able especially on line around 2.00 a round. Less than a 1000 fully rigged even with 600.00 scope.
It's because 99% of these videos are made by searching an article and basically just reading it.
The .224 Valkyrie had potential but unfortunately has a ton of issues with getting it to shoot accurately and consistently. The .22 Creedmoor set to begin being loaded by Hornady in January next year will likely fix all of those issues, but it is quite overbore, capable of firing 80gr bullets over 3200fps and 70gr over 3400fps. I feel like a custom .22 GT or .22 BR is a better option there, to avoid burning up barrels.
Lack of mentioning the 7 PRC is rediculous. I'd personally tout it as the perfect magnum at the moment. Slightky less recoil than a .300 Win Mag, but crushes it ballistically.
Why not the 7mm PRC?
.300 PRC
Uses a higher bc projectile than the 300 win mag, with a heavier for Caliber bullet enabling the 300 PRC to effectively hit targets at farther ranges.
Exactly 👍👍👍
What are your thoughts on the 7mm PRC...?😎
How about a 7mm rem mag?
7mm mag isn’t popular enough for his google search to populate it
Everything i pointed my 25-06 at died. Too light for elk, but i thinks its a great whitetail round! For Larger stuff the 6.8 western really looks like its got a ton of promise!
3006 got a bit more than the 308
300 H&H 180 grain or a 270 Winchester 130 grain. Both 300 and 270 have almost the same trajectory. Old cartridges that are still getting it done. Can't go wrong with either in a pre-64 Winchester Model 70
Was there.mention of 7prc or 300 prc
The 6.5 Creedmore for 2000lb African antelope. Get real, if you limit the 6.5 CM to deer sized game you’ll be ok. You’d do much better hunting with the 6.5 PRC.
Eric Cortina said it best when he called it the 6.5 Needsmoore
That's the reason why we have the 6.5 PRC 😉
Did you mention 300 or 338 RUM ?
30.378 wea.hands down,no more discussion
What about 338 win mag?
Yes, and the 340 Wby mag - 338 RUM - all good
30 06 7mmmag
@@ernestdaniel291 The 30-06 is no long-range cartridge it is a deer gun for max 300 yard shots on deer and you idiot east coast fools think the 30-06 has more power than a 50 BMG !