270 Winchester - Relevant or Relic
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! In this video, I sit down with Joseph Von Benedikt to discuss the history and merits of the 270 Winchester.
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I saved up summer money and bought myself a Weatherby Vanguard .270 late 80's. I was 17. My non hunting parents thought I was crazy. My buddies were envious. I can remember showing it off to my football coaches at school.🤣🤣
When school meant learning.
As someone who just graduated highschool in 2022 it's a shame I never got the opportunity to bring my rifle to school and compare it with my buddies, learned more valuable information our of school than in it though haha, now I'm studying ballistics and developing skills in gunsmithing and design
I took my
270 to Africa after the warthog and Impala. I brought my .338 for kudu and backup for my friend who was determined to get a cape buffalo with his .416 Remington. Little did I know that a trophy kudu would pop up when I was lightly armed with my Remington
270 and lowly 130 gr nosler partitions. Well I'll tell you what, at 110 yards that lowly .270 with the lightweight 130 nosler partition bullet went through both lungs, the heart and then the liver as it finally came to a halt in the off side hide. I dug it out with my 2 inch pocket knife 🔪. Everyone was pretty impressed. Many big game hunts later (30 yrs) my trusted. .270 Remington never left my side. .338, what's that?
Love my 270. Taken mule deer, antelope, elk and moose. Never taken more than 2 shots, and never lost an animal. All under 400 yards. Thanks for sharing.
What load do you use on elk?
@@Bushman_sam My Browning x-bolt loves the 140 gr Nosler ballistic tip. I am able to get 3/4" groups all day. It is heavier than the 130 and still shoots pretty flat. My plan is to start reloading and try either a Nosler 165 grain Accubond long range or the Nosler 150 grain Accubond. We will have to see which one my gun likes.
Which rifle?
Any bullet,weight that you can put in the boiler room,this focus on which, what, weight etc is nonsense.
Just know where it hits in that 6-10" lung size, how do you do that?, shoot lots it'll show you where it hits, you'll feel confident.@@Bushman_sam
@@johac7637 You've got it all wrong my friend! These days deer, elk and moose are made of Kevlar and stainless steel, why if you shoot anything less than a 300 ultra mag, you could get badly mauled by a woodchuck. In all seriousness, thank you for talking common sense.
My late wife had a 270 Winchester. I reloaded for it, and it was the absolute most accurate rifle I ever shot. I haven't hunted since she died.
My condolences. Perhaps your wife would smile down and be happier if you went out hunting again? She wants you to be happy and enjoy things.... maybe even in her memory. God bless.
@@C.D.-tz6sk Thank you, my friend. I've thought of it many times, but so far I haven't tried it. Maybe this season coming up......
I hope you get back out in the field trust me I took many years off, now I'm back out again its made me happier🙏
One day at a time bud...you will know when you get out there. Just remember our loved ones that have moved on want us to thrive and be happy. @@ronlafitte6864
@@ronlafitte6864find a young person that wants to learn but doesn't have anyone to teach them. I always wanted to hunt but nobody has ever taken me. It would mean alot to the person and it will make you feel good 👍😊
Well, as long as deer and elk haven't developed countermeasures, it's still relevant.
Great comment. 😂😂
Exactly. New and better equipment does not make old equipment any worse. Yes, some advancements can make older equipment obsolete because it’s not used. However, I still hunt with a Flintlock. Carbon composite stocks are more weather resistant than Woodstocks. I would much rather have a Woodstock on my hunting rifle. Better does not mean necessary.
Well said!
I just imagine them slowly evolving into something similar to a armadillo but with antlers
40 years I’ve had a couple a bsa monarch and a tikka I’ve had so many different cal rifles over the years .but I only confidently deer hunt with my 270.it allways puts dinner on the table .never found any think can do anything better. .
I have ALWAYS said & ALWAYS will say that the 270 is the middle of the ROAD (Caliber) that will work for ANY & EVERYTHING
I think you mean .30-06 friend.
@@LeatherSoup-c5j30-06 has been slowly dying for a while now. 270 has been more popular then the 30-06 for a few years.
My brother in law had cancer and didn’t make it unfortunately. He had a savage 110 in 270 that I really just loved. It wasn’t anything fancy only thing he did to it was had a new recoil pad on it and a nice leather ammo cuff. The gun just was so accurate I couldn’t believe it. I think he bought it at the pawn shop years ago. When he passed my sister told me he wanted me to continue to hunt with his rifle and eventually teach his son the joys of the great outdoors. This fall will be my first season using it and I’ll have my nephew with me as well! Wish us luck! The 270 isn’t going anywhere because it’s just a great super versatile round.
Best of luck to you and your family 🍀
The 270 has been and will be an awesome open country cartridge.
EDIT: I really liked the story about inheriting a rifle that has a sentimental story.
I seen a goat killed at 660 yards with a 140 grain Hornady sst 270win.savage rifle. Pretty good for outdated caliber.
Outdated cartridge, not caliber. New cartridges are still coming out in n the caliber so the caliber being outdated wasn’t even the question.
I have 2 rifles in the 270 win with 2 other 270 win in the shop being built from old mauser actions. I collect rifles and the 270 is one of my favorite as it was Jack O’Conner favorite too but my favorite is the 30-06 followed by the 300 wsm. 60+ years of collecting reloading and hunting and a man can never have to many rifles, those 8 rifles in the shop being built and having about every cartridge in my collection at one time or another! What made the 270 is when the scopes came out and made the 270’s extra reach available and that’s when Jack really started liking it because the 270 came out in 1925 and didn’t even make much of a splash until the Redfield snd Leupold scopes came on the scene!
I love all of the 06 case cartridges, so versatile and effective!
I shall always own a .270Win. My first was a Tikka LSA65, and shot from 130gr to 165gr really well. My second (current) is a Howa 1500, and it shoots 140gr to 165gr very well. It is finicky with 130gr loads. I am on my last box of old 165gr Sako Hammerheads, and have developed a new “permanent” load with the 140gr Viper mono-metal bullet, called the Plains Supreme.
I’ve shot from as small as Rock Hyrax to as large as Giraffe with .270Win.
These days I am feeling more dated than the .270Winchester.
A .270 Win is still a superb round, and so many of the rifles chambered in that historic round are still around and shoot great.
I am a bit on the old side now and I struggle with the "modern" cartridges. I moved from UT to TX and then to AK and the 270 continues to perform flawlessly. There are some other ancient cartridges i enjoy as well such as the 300 Weatherby, the 308, the 7mm Remington, and the 45-70 but the 270 is an all around great choice for many game animals
Thank you for putting this collaboration together, reinforcing the love for the 270. Two of my favorite voices on RUclips.
All the points for and against were all valid. But I'll still stick with the 270 for staying power; it's cheaper, more plentiful, and if things become scarce, I can always make brass from 30-06 or other 30-06 family of cartridges.
If you can't get within 400 yds., you don't need a bigger gun, you need to learn how to hunt.
Thank you.
@@johnwilburn8319 You are welcome my friend.
Pre-64 model 70 featherweight, my favorite. Has a redfield 6x scope. Has never failed me. I have a partial labrum tear so don’t get to shoot it much.
Pre 64, 270, 6x fixed, I like the way you're keeping it old school and simple.
I started hunting in Montana, and I opted for a 270 over the 30-06 because it shot a little flatter. I used that rifle for a long time until I switched to the 7mm-08 for the ability to shoot slightly larger diameter projectiles out of a short action rifle.
It’s all about the short action. Duh.
That .270 they show is actually beautiful. The front yellowish part of the stock actually complements the entire wooden stock. Beautiful work.
Lot better than plastic, IMO
I have one of Bob Shapel's last firearms he built before his unfortunate passing, a Military Mauser 98 action with a Traister MK II safety in an incredible Bishop stock, chambered in .270 Win. My bang around .270 is a 1952 M70 standard grade and my Wifes' Elk rifle is a 1949 M70 WCF in a Reinhart Fagen Sportsman stock. They all shoot 3/4 to1 MOA when we do our part.
Great collaboration, I just love when you two get together on rifle and cartridge talks.
There is no other rifle that makes that sound like the action on a pre64 model 70 action. Music to my ears. Strong and solid.
I have been enjoying your channel for a couple years now, but this is the first one I felt inclined to comment on.
At the age of 12, I purchased my first rifle, a Rem 700 in 243 Win., a great cartridge for California. That would have been 1970. Right after my 18th birthday, my grandfather gave me his shotgun and rifle, a browning A5, and a browning semi auto in 270 win. It had a carbine length barrel and the serial number said it was made in 1959.
I hunted many years with it,a great rifle for everything that California could throw at it.
I shot it at the range out to 500, but my longest hunting shot was a little over 200. Performed perfectly.
Your channel always seems to bring back memories.
Thank you for all the great info.
I absolutely love listening to you guys.
I have applied many times for an out of state tag for moose in Maine. I was lucky enough to draw it twice. I loved hearing Mainers talk about hunting in the big woods for these incredible creatures when I hunted in Maine. The old timers hang in there with the classic cartridges - mostly 30-06. There were two old timers that spoke about the virtues of the 160 grain Nosler Partition in their 270’s. They have both taken moose as hunters and helped other hunters anchor their moose when they were guides. Know your firearm, practice, and match your projectile with the game - the 270 Winchester will not disappoint. One of the greatest American classics…. If you fancy the newest & greatest, that’s one thing - if you love the history & heritage of hunting, there is no better. Thank’s Jack.
Love you two guys! Always the best information, stories, program for hunters and shooters when you both are together. Always so glad when you have Joseph on. My father gave me his Remington 721 in .270 to me before he passed away. Of all my different rifles, that .270 is special to me. It was dads, and it’s my go to rifle. But I always love the information you both share on new modern cartridges. Thanks again, and stay safe.
I've honestly never hunted or even shot with a .270. Growing up in Oregon the first gun that I hunted with after I passed my hunter safety course when I was twelve was my grandfather's old .300 Win Mag and my first rifle that I owned was a 7mm Rem Mag. Now I live in Florida and have a .243 which I figure is more than enough gun for the game that I'll be hunting here.
I never shot a 270 but one day I got a bargain new rifle in 270. I could not resist. Bought it then took it hunting for Red deer and I totally fell in love with the 270 even though I dream of a 7mm rifle. However I have a personal dislike of short neck cartridges that most new 7mm come in. So for now I’ll keep going with my love for my 270.
It shocks me how many folks fall for marketing. The 6.5 creed is a perfect example. Nice round? Sure. But same thing as 6.5 swede....260 rem....and a few others.
Same with a bunch of new rounds out, but 270 win is still hard to beat
Just a note for those of us at higher altitude. You can stabilize heavier, longer bullets.
Reloading Weatherby has several videos detailing how the longer bullets, such as the 165 ABLR, are able to be stabalized in a 1:10 twist barrels.
Faster twist is better across all conditions. But if you're a reloader at higher altitude, you can do some experiments for your old 270.
The older cartridges are not obsolete even at longer ranges. They just need an update and they can equal or even outdo the new stuff.
Glad to see it Vice-versa. Love seeing y’all make points and discuss these topics. Thanks for the page.
270 is still a great round.
The good old 270 is a favourite cartridge of mine too
I love Ron's videos and he has good guests. I'm just wondering if I'm on an island here, when I make the argument that all the Ballistic Coefficient BS is a bunch of nonsense. It doesn't matter at reasonable hunting ranges, and if you have to worry about it, perhaps you should spend less time worrying about this idiocy and focus on improving your hunting skills so you don't have to take unethical shots. This long range hunting obsession is bad for the sport.
My dad was a Jack O'Connor fan, and my dad loved the 270 win. He reloaded his own ammo for it and shot more deer than i will. By far, he had a jc Higgins rifle before going to a Browning bar. He's been gone 33 yrs.now.I still have that rifle and added a few of my own my prize one is a 1950 winchester model 70 270 it shoots everything herters,fedrals,winchester, hornady, norma tight groups. I have many calibers, but that 270 rifle is the best .
now that is a riflemans rifle! bravo! well done and beautiful. I purchase the Wichester Supergrade in 270win because i wanted to have that classic rifle. with todays modern ammo its plenty capable out to 500 yards on elk.
I’ve found that a 6cm elevation at 100m allows shots up to 300m with no correction. Complete peace of mind in terms of ballistics and ethics.
I inherited a 1980s model remington 700 BDL in 270 a few years ago. Beautiful gun, looks to be almost unused, and i immediately threw a sig scope on it, and bought the cheapest Herters 270 ammo i could find. Haven't taken any game with it, but that gun is very accurate, and doesn't kick bad for not having a recoil pad. I plan to use it almost exclusively the next few deer seasons. And probably black bear seasons as well.
When my brother and I were young, dad bought us our first deer rifles. Me a Rem 700 270
And brother a Rem 700 30.06.
I'm 55 now and STILL take it out of the safe and and shoot often. Something about this old rifle ......Will NEVER get rid of her
Wow!!!!.....you two kept it totally honest !!!!...kudos to you excellent vidio !!!...if it worked that good for that many years,,,well why wouldn't it work today !!!!
What about cost per round vs other comparable cartridges
That’s far more about the ammunition you choose then the cartridge, you can spend anywhere between $30 and $300 on a box same as anything else.
@@jaydunbar7538from what I’ve seen an average box of 270 is much cheaper than any of the new PRC ammunition.
My 270 Win has NEVER let me down
Great video on a great cartridge! I look forward to getting my first elk with Papa George's 270 and hopefully next year some plains game in Africa!
I bought my first .270 Win Rem 700 new in 1964 for $89 because an older friend recommended it. I found out after I bought it that the barrel was only 20" long. I put a 4 power Weaver scope on it and sighted it in 3" high at 100yds. I killed many whitetail deer with it some at over 300 yards. I decided I had to have a .270 Win with a 24" barrel so I bought a new Sako Finbear .270 in 1972 (made in 1969) and sold the Rem 700 for $100 (I still wish I had kept it). I still have the Sako and will leave it to my son. I bought a Browning A-bolt .270 Win in 1989 and it would shoot tiny groups (bug holes) at 100 yards with reloads.
got a custom 270 being built with a 1/8twist barrel on a rem700 action cant wait for it to be done
I like Ron and Joseph.......together 😮😮😮😮😎🤠😎🤠
Factory ammo is cheaper, simple answer is that i can practice more, making the round more effective
I have a 270 Winchester that my Uncle Bob gave me , I am 74 years old. Back in the day I reloaded this with the Barns MRX which was the finest bullet ever produced. I purchased all the MRX I could find when they discontinued them. And still have 150 bullets in the 250 gr which I have loaded my 338 WINCHESTER Ruger bolt action stainless and a used 340 Weatherby I bought and put a Carlson stock with a Vortex scope. My Son who lives in Alaska shot an 800 lb Alaska Brown Bear with a Remington in the 300WSM firing the 180 gr MRX , all the times the MRX was a one shot kill.
I have a Tikka T3X 270 (1:10 twist) mounted with a fixed power 6 x 42 Schmidt Bender. The reticle is rock solid. I shoot exclusively Hornady Superformance SST 140 gr. and zero'd at 200 yds (6" drop at 300yds). I use a range finder and know my ammo ballistics, so can shoot with confidence out to 400 yards. Most game I shoot is within 300 yards. I prefer a neck or head shot as the game drips like a rock without taking a step.
Have you taken any elk with the 140 gr SST?
That rifle is a work of art. Beautiful.
Thanks, as always, for your content, Ron! I’m a hunter in Switzerland and just got a .270 for hunting ibex and chamois in the Alps … as well as red deer, roe and wild boar! The issue here is that hunters must use a minimum caliber of 7mm. Hence a 6.5 is off the table. Nevertheless, your videos convinced me the 6.5 doesn’t have significant advantages over the .270. Moreover, hunters here are also required to take their shots within 250 meters.
I've had a lot of success with the 270 win using monolythic bullets in far northern Alberta. The longest shot I've taken was 264 yards. There really aren't any close shots here. I have yet to find fault with it. You may know that our animals are on the very large size. It's never failed to seal the deal quick and ethically.
Like that Stormy Kromer hat brother.
Another solid one. Great video Ron
I’ve hunted with 270 all my life good cartridge and it always works I also have 30-30 both work so but I’ve taken 150 yard shots but I’ve mostly have to shoot 40 yards or less
The people who own one absolutely love it
I just bought my first rifle & went with the 270 win. I choose the 270 because my grandpa told me to, he goes " boy I put food on my table for the last 40 years using my 270 old reliable . I must say it's super accurate just zeroed it in can't wait to get my first buck , moose
XP3 has an all copper nose cone with a bonded partitioned lead core. The core expands after the tip does 2 stage. My 308 hated em 06 loves em still got 4 boxes. It is the old Failsafe modified to open on deer with plasitc tip to help it with a bonded core for elk.
270 is still very capable in the majority of most hunters real abilities.
For deer sized animals my 270 really likes the Barnes LRX 129 grains
I just picked up some of those LRX to try in my .270. Which powder are you using with those?
@@NCWoodlandRoamer
Factory loaded ammo for me so far
If you're talking about the 129 grain LRX I have used superformance with good results and reloader 17 which is my go-to but is hard to find but anything in the 4350 burn rate should work Barnes has quite a bit of data for that bullet
Used to hunt whitetail with 270Win out of a Wetherby Mk4 rifle. My ex-brother-law has been hunting for years and years with .308. His comment on retrieving my " doe" that turned into a spike buck with horns that were hiding behind and between his ears, 'You killed they'll out of that deer." Next season he and son started hunting witha .270.
It is still very popular in the Scottish Highlands for stalking red stags on open moorland or the mountain slopes. It certainly works well in my experience.
I was taught to understand the capability, flatness and range of a .270 as a young man. I’m still a young man and have educated others about how classic it truly is. Let’s face it, realistic hunting is between 50m-300m but you’re well covered to much higher which is why it shines.
I convinced 5 people I know to buy a .270 and none have regretted it. Keeping that amazing caliber alive and in demand for years to come.
For reference I use a
weatheby vanguard s2
Stainless steel 24” barrel
HS-precision stock
Vixen 4-16x44 scope
I can achieve sub moa 3 shot groups at 100m with at least 5 common, easy to get off the shelf factory loads.
.270 hard to beat
Good presentation guys! If/when I am heading out with .270 WIN here in Alaska... my factory loading all-rounder selection is running Barnes Vor-TX 130 gr. TTSX. I have to think about bigger critters deer hunting the coastal mountains on the way back down - lol. The .270 WIN in particular I have held onto is BSA Majestic Featherweight. Barrel is short and compact to begin with, and before I obtained it somebody cut the BESA recoil reducer off. Barrel is stamped specifically 130 grain bullets to be used, and that in fact is what it likes. Fun little ol' classic claw extractor control round feed light rifle (like maybe 6ish lbs. at most)... and many folks have asked to take her off my hands over the years. Not sure what it would be worth nowadays???
Taken a whitetail at 320 yards with a 243 and it ran 50 yards puncturing one lung. The 270 would be fine at 500 and more yards if you hit where you aim like anything els.
I’m looking at purchasing a 6.8 Western rifle Winchester model 70 featherweight compact (22” barrel )
I’m never going to shoot past 400 yards … maybe 500 pushing my personal limits .
Do you think that 6.8 cartridge is efficient enough to keep decent velocities and still perform well enough from that 22” barrel ?
It’s a very nice rifle , compact and practical,well balanced with the short barrel ,quick to shoulder and easy to carry in the field . I mean I have carried 26” barrel rifles ( 300 WM & 7mm REM Mag ) and it’s not enjoyable especially in mountainous terrain. Even 24” barrels can be a hindrance when you’re hoofing around with all your gear .
But I don’t want to make a big mistake buying it if it will suffer in performance too drastically. Most rifles in 6.8 are typically 24” from what I’m seeing, so only 2” less in barrel length .
Thanks Ron , I always appreciate your expertise on the subject matter.
In 22" it will be perfectly deadly. Of course you'll give up a smidge of performance, but you give up similar when using "just" a 24" instead of 26" or 28". It's a compromise.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thanks so much for the feedback and reinforcing my initial thoughts about this. I think I’m going grab this rifle , it is a classic ! The rifleman’s rifle, and I believe this 6.8 Western will soon become a classic cartridge to compliment the rifle ( and the compact model is rare from what I’m seeing)
My Remington 700 in 270win. was one in a thousand. I loaded up Jack O'Connor's favourite load 60 grains of H4831 made in Scotland at3200fps. with Grand Slams Noslers and Sierra boat tails in 130 grain. There was a 170grainSpeer round nose. The loading information was in the Rock Crusher Press reloading on the last page. Work up carefully. Funny thing is you can't fit a single grain more powder perfect. I would highly recommend a Remington 700 of similarly construction and strength. So nothing new under the Sun 🌞
The .270win is my all time favorite
I have an H&R got all 5 of darrels 25-06 26 inch 270 208 26 inch -06 & 35 wallen . I will put 280 on every time.
The ELDX 145 shines with BDC in the 270 win. It still has 2100 fps at 600 yards when it is launched at 3050 with handloads.
Those terminal ascent bullets are just plain out awesome. BUT they are next to impossible to find. Also wish you guys woulda elaborated a bit more on the Barnes and the 270.
I'm not a .270 win. user but in my area I've known a few elk hunters who've had no problems harvesting their elk every year with a .270. Shots can be far, shots can be near and sure works for them.
I have a 770 .270 win and ive got 4 and 500lb wild bore around 500yards normally its 100yards. I got a moose at 440 - 450 yards with it. Ive even got armadillos 10yards out lil over kill but it definitely worked. I also have friends that took brown and black bear some less then 200 yards and i think one a touch over 300
My point and i think they are saying the same the 270 has older cartridges that are out of date and newer ones that are very relevant.
How about a 270 win series, Mr Ron
if i was buying a brand new gun today for 270/30-06-like purposes, i might just get an X-Bolt Speed SR in 6.8 Western. Then again, last year I saw a long-on-the-shelf X-Bolt Hunter in 270 Win at a $300 discount, sooo…
Love it!! JVB is a marksman!!
No one needs to shoot past 500. I considered unethical shoot past 500 yds Animals tend to move before the bullet gets there
Plenty of people would say your reckless for shooting past 300, why is your opinion any more correct then theirs are?
Most people aren't capable of 400 to 800 yd hunting shots with any consistency. Everyone wants the newest kid on the block, seems guns have become the cellphone of the shooting world. Competition shooters need to stay ahead of the competition but most hunters have no need for anything new. Here in Northern Minnesota most all hunters shots are under 100 yds. I will admit when it comes to handguns I keep getting the new cool gun, hunting though I am old school,270, 308, 30-30. AR hunting guns in 6.5 Grendel and 450 Bushmaster. Thanks for a great video.
You can re bbl a 270 with 1 in 8 twist also
The 270 will never go away. Those other so called new hot rod cartridges will fade out..
Reading this makes me miss Jack O'Conner ... he knew how to write ... and he loved the .270.
All that holds me back on the 6.8 Western is the maker! Winchester/Browning is notorious for producing enough stock to keep up with sales.. or don’t want to?? Finding brass in past, on “New” cartridges from them was like findings chicken teeth! Their product support just stinks.
Thanks guys good advice.
270 was my moose rifle for many years it’s a fine moose rifle an okay elk rifle, much much better than a 308 on elk and great sheep and plains game rifle
The first big game rifle I owned was a 30-30 win when i turned 18. But 2 years later i bought a Savage model 110 in 270. It wasn't a fancy rifle, pretty basic, but it would shoot most ammo at 1 moa at 100yrds. Over the next 30 years it pretty much just sat around, because living in Illinois, the only thing to hunt are coyotes, raccoons, ground hogs, opossum, squirrels, pheasants, quail, and deer. The last three, i had to use a shotgun for. Over those 30 years I've owned 204's, 223's, and a 6.5 Creedmoor. So i eventually just sold the 270 along with a few other rifles. The only rifles i use anymore these days are a couple 22 mag's, a 22 & 17 Hornet. The 17 Hornet is a 1/4" moa rifle, very accurate. About 5 years ago my wife bought me a Win XPR in 30-06 for Christmas. But like the old 270, i have hardly shot it. If i ever hunt out west after i retire, i might just buy another 270. But if the grizzlies keep spreading south throughout the rockies like I've heard, i may just use my Christmas 30-06 with 180gr Partition bullets instead of another 270.
My father was a huge Jack O'Connor fan and a huge fan of the 270win. He'd agree with you. I asked him what caliber he'd take if he could only have one gun. A 30-06. I was surprised. He said it will kill anything in North America including polar bears and I can load my own ammo up cheaply for whatever I'm hunting with many options and if person doesn't reload? There are many great options on the shelf.
Yes my hunting buddy uses his 30-06, and he's too lazy to reload, though he has the equipment. The reason for this is because of the huge variety of loads that are available for the rifle. He claims there's more for the 30 ought 6 than any other, but I'm not sure of that.
Ron and Joseph, sorry about this comment. The biggest problem for hunters and shooters, is shooting and hunting 'journalists'! They get a lot of pressure from the companies that buy their wares (articles). To make a living, they have to produce large volumes of that product, and controversy really gets readers/viewers to buy. I guess that I'm approximately Ron's age, and have always been a big consumer of said journalism. I probably read Ron's first article in a major publication. Still consuming his product and enjoying doing so! There is no way, that I could put a number to how many .270 vs 30-06 articles I have read. Loved both Jack O'Connor and Elmer Keith, but was more inclined to Keith's philosophy of giving more wiggle room for a cartridge to complete the task. However both men were very bought off. They were not born into super rich families, but got to hunt worldwide as if they did. Somebody paid for all that, and it wasn't only their publishers that supported all of it. They weren't alone then or now. Keith admitted to a lot of his shots missing the mark, on or just off his animals. O'Connor, it is said by many, was not as honest. Props to Joseph and Ron for being apparently honest in pointing out Joseph's misses at long range. He is much more experienced at hunting and shooting than average, or even above average hunters. Using a rifle, scope combo that he is very experienced with. At known distance, and no time crunch that is typical in hunting. Last day of hunting, with the sun below the horizon for example. And he didn't just climb a long incline at high altitude. Under those conditions, most of us, couldn't hit the 400 yd jug with a full magazine. Many couldn't hit the one at 300, and too many would miss at 200 and even 100, with their choice of cartridge and rifle. But everyone got worked into a lather over long range hunting, thanks to our media. And the industry responded. Good for the gun and ammo companies, and good for the 'journalists'! I hope you all get rich, I really do. I also hope that hunters get a reality check, practice more, hunt closer, and then closer yet, and keep their ethics close to their hearts and minds while doing so. Take your 7mm STW with heavy, double throwdown BC bullets. Just in case you wound one and have to stop it out yonder, before it gets away.
Ron … it seems like you forgot your 6.8 Western at 777 yards. I haven’t. 😀
By golly, you're right. But that wasn't a 270 Win. Just the lowly 6.8 Western.
It seems unusual to me to hear guys talking about this or that hunting cartridge that can reach out to a bazillion yards AND THEN reel it back to real world hunting conditions. Maybe one doesn't really need the newest, shiniest, ballistically correct cartridge. But anyhow... good job, guys!
I love my 270 and have 7 mm rifles and reload for all of them but I have a question. Why isn’t the .277 cal bullets named the 7mm since .277” measures to 7.0358 millimeters and the .284” bullets measures out to be 7.2136 millimeters? So the .270 would be the true 7mm… wouldn’t it? lol. Thank you in advance and love your podcasts.
I'm honestly debating on buying the x-bolt LR for the fast twist. But im really wondering what that faster twist does for smaller bullets, if anything.
Ron now you need to do a show on the old 243 Win friend why not another old cartridge
Thanks good show and Info
I have a Muaser. 270W . I won't trade it for anything else. Gerhard from South Africa
Will the PRC be around in ten years ? They will be on the wayside just like Creedmoors and WSMs.
One way to modernize your old 270 is to swap on a fast twist barrel.
I have my grandpa's 270 model 721. He swore by it. Shot every kind of game.
It's no longer usable due to chamber issues. It failed the go,no go test. The shells swell up in chamber. My grandpa was too generous with powder so I believe that is the reason with the chamber issues.
270 is my favorite
Excellent video guys. 👍❤️👍
I got a phone call from a friend of mine. He was in a panic. He got drawn for a moose tag and wasn’t able to do a sight in before his trip. He asked if I could help. No problem I said. He gave me the gun and two boxes of Winchester ammo. It wouldn’t group. I picked him up some Federal Premium loaded in 150 grain Nosler Partitions. Bingo! Rifle shot MOA. He took a 50” bull with 1 shot out of that Browning BLR in 270 Win. It’s still relevant today as it was in 1925.
In my experience, Winchester ammo sucks.
I have a 270 and I love it but what puzzles me is nobody’s talking about it negatively, and when nobody talks in opposition to it, it brings a question to how censored is this talking forum?
Before any company or individual down plays a cartridge effectiveness remember this . Mr. Simo hayha achieved legendary status with an old rifle with iron sights . It isn’t about glory cartridges but how well a person uses what’s in their hands . Lesson over .
His legendary status was accomplished in a target rich environment.