The BEST Bear Rifles
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Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors. In this video, Joseph von Benedikt and I sit down and discuss the best bear rifles.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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I would never give a rifle to a bear
Exactly.
😊😅😂
They have a right to bear arms.
They have the right to arms bear
I know! It’s so irresponsible. 🤯🇺🇸🍻
I choose 35 whelen for everything! Small to large. I'm fond of the 338win and 300win. But 35 whelen is my go-to.
Me too.ammo can be a bit of a pain mind.
Will it bring down a polar?
i'll make this easy.
Best Moose Rifle- 30-06
Best Elk Rifle- 30-06
Best Mulie Rifle- 30-06
Best Bear Rifle - 30-06
Best Whitetail Rifle 30-06
Best Antelope Rifle 30-06
Best long range burglar rifle- 30-06
Best EV Rifle - 30-06
Absolutely.
All these new cartridges are unneeded.
Yes, your absolutely right. But What most people don't Say Is it needs to be a heavy Grain, like a Remington Core-Lokt 30-06 Springfield 220 gr Core-Lokt Soft Round or 200 Grain. Ideally Minimum of of 180 gr. It’s Amazes How many Outdoorsmen don’t Know that or even Think about that. Almost Everbody inherits a 30-06, Has a close relative with a 30-06, or can go to the local gun store and Find an Affordable 30-06 at the local gun store.
The most accurate affordable mid price 30-06 rifles are by far made by Ruger.
Now Yes, 44 Mag min is Ideal!
If all you haveis a 357 mag 180 grain hard cast bullets minimum should be used. HSM makes Bear Load. Double Tap makes 200 grain hard cast bullets as well.
If You want use a Glock or Semi Handgun 10mm Hard Cast 200-220 grain but at least 200 Hard Cast Minimum Should be used. HSM and Underwood make those types of bullets as well as Double Tap.
If all you have is a 45 ACP 250-255 Grain +P bullets should be used minimum. Underwood makes affordable rounds that fit that description.
@@imissyoumom7644wanna know what’s great about all these new hyped up cartridges?! the 30.06 is left behind, meaning reloading 30.06 is cheaper and finding bullets and cases is always easier to find in stock.
Gun, Caliber, Bullet choice, Shot placement👍🇺🇸
35 whelen is my go too . Can’t argue that the 3006 isn’t great tho . It is
Hard to beat the old 300 win mag.
I agree. I’ve pretty much settled on the 300 Win Mag for everything.
@@johndegroot8664 the 300 RUM is pointless. Once you get past 300 Win Mag ballistics in a 30 cal all your doing is creating unnecessary recoil, stressing projectile design, and creating bloodshot meat with outlandish impact velocities.
You should really step up in caliber once you’ve reached that level of recoil.
.375
modern winchester 1886 45-70 +p loads by garret, buffalo boar, grizzly, hsm, corbon etc
35 whelen work just fine on brown and black bear.
I first heard the term "Went all floppy" from an old Rhodesian Reservist who fought the insurgents in the Rhodesian Bush War. Used to go out on patrols for a week or so. Called it "Going to slot a floppy". "Why a floppy," I'd ask? "Coz when you hit them with a 7.62x51 NATO from the FN, they go all floppy". He was a great guy. As hard as nails.
i first heard it in a much different context
@@robfreeman5783happens to the best of them buddy
Wait till they refer to us as 'insurgents'.
@@robfreeman5783😹
The Rhodesian Scouts were tough alright. Much respect to them. Frederick Courteney Sous, the famed hunter, led a group called the Selous Scouts against the Germans in Africa in WW1. He was KIA in 1917- at age 66. Tough man, doing all that at that age.
Good Video boys; Sipping coffee and taking all the info in! My all round Bear/Elk gun-.35 Whelen
9.3x62
9,3x64
It's an amazing round!!
9,3X57
essentially, the 30-06 necked up to .366 except for a thousandth here or a thousandth there.
9.3x62, got it all covered!
Yep absolutely. Very versatile
Heading to Prince of wales for a black bear hunt next month, using my custom 35 whelen!
i really like that 338 WBY RPM in the Backcountry 2.0 rifle. You get a light, handy rifle that has plenty of velocity, energy, reach even with an 18” barrel; and the butt pad plus muzzle break (or a suppressor) really does mitigate recoil.
…and i like the bigger hole vs 30s and smaller
Ron, Quite simply your'e the best! Living the dream buddy.God Bless
Gaston Dalton our neighbor back in 1950 had a black bear in his spring house. It weighed 500 lb. He shot at one time. The back of the head of the 22 LR killed it dead
And he was 500 yards off!
@@AndyYoung789 In a hurricane!
@@harrymills2770 under water!
@@AndyYoung789 While he was sipping coffee with his left hand.
lol man you trust that neighbor don’t ya 😂
I use 7x57 or 8x57 mauser
Never bear hunted but have hunted in bear country usually elk. I either used 7 mag but later I used 300 short mag. Figured it would do the trick. Not all encounters are dangerous!!!!!!
More often than not. The black bears in our area. Are usually taken during muzzleloader season in the Ozark mountains. Few are taken during modern gun. Last one a family member took was with a 100gr charge behind a 240gr XTP. This combo traversed 2.5' through the bear ( point of the left shoulder, towards the right hip )
Thanks for the video gents.
May all your days afield be great.
If it's for defense in beer country a lightweight ar10 with quality ammunition, & a bombproof optic. Is a superb option that is incredible easy to use.
You guys should know better than to compare energy numbers between the 7mm-08 and 44 mag. They use different mechanisms to cause damage so its irrelevant to say the 7mm-08 has 3x the energy. That same 7mm-08 has 50% more energy than a 12 gauge shotgun slug, but which one would you choose for bear defense? If you look at momentum instead of energy you'll see that a 44 mag and 7mm-08 are quite similar in performance, with the 12 gauge beating both of them by 1.5x.
I never get sick of this discussion.
My two rifle battery (JVB’s idea from his podcast) would be an 18” 33 Nosler bolt action (controlled round feed Defiance Ruckus Ultralight action) for the big stuff and an 18” 6.5 Creedmoor AR-10 (forged magnesium ROAM receiver) for everything else. They’re near external ballistic twins out to 675 yards (within 2 inches of bullet drop and drift) when using Badlands Precision Bulldozer 2’s at 225gr and 135gr respectively. This monometal hunting projectile will still be going 1900fps at this range and per Badland Precisions tests will still expand.
Great episode, you two are a very good team.
I agree with the ruger guide gun statement. Really good back woods rifle with the right features.
Just ordered the rifle that will likely be my go to when I actually decide to apply for tags. Winchester XPR .338 Win Mag, I wouldn’t be afraid to go smaller, I mean maybe woods carry is a 9mm, but I think that Win Mag is just going to hit that sweet spot. At close range you won’t kill it too dead, and it’s still going to punch very hard at range. Caveat I’ll add us that if you’re not a reloader it’s not that cheap to shoot, not the worst but many are cheaper. For defense while hunting other species it’s also just fine, a little big but not going to destroy deer.
My grandma filled her elk take every year since I was born in 1955 with a Savage M99 in 243. Her notion was "If you have to shoot elk from 500 yards, you're a fine marksman but you ain't much of a hunter". Grandpa would roll his eyes, point a thumb at her an say. "She just says that cuz she's the snealiest woman on Earth.
I see stuff like this posted all the time. Well, it’s not 1955 anymore. Elk and Mule deer hunting is harder than it was back then. There is a lot of hunting pressure and strict hunt ing regulations now. I used to hunt Elk on public land in Colorado. You’re lucky if you saw an Elk all week, and even luckier if you could get within 450 yards of one on public land.
The average success rate for Elk for an unguided hunter on public land is well under 20%. Don’t use cartridges that severely limit your ability to harvest an Elk in the conditions you expect to find them. Prepare and be ready to take shots past 300 yards.
I was a guide up here in Montana for 30 years up until a couple years ago. I hunted my own elk with my first hunt in 1968. All on public land. Unguided success rates up here are around 10%. Guided hunts are at around 70%. I'm our camp just about every hunter had a shot. The number one cause was flinching. Second was unfamiliarity with the weapon beyond 100 yards. I'll take a sneaky skillful patient hunter over the latest Earschplitten Loutenboomer every time
love these videos with Ron and the “other guy.” don’t know his name but great compliment to Spoomer the GOAT
I do too. They really are spot on with their knowledge. The other guy in Joseph Von Benedikt and he has a wealth of knowledge.
That other guy writes for hunting and shooting magazines. He's been around for awhile.
Another Great Video , Thanks for Sharing Ron 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
34:04 I've heard that people can take down brown bears reliably with lead slugs that are over 540 grain. Brenneke style slugs in particular. 617 grain was the weight of Shirinsky-Shikhmatov slug designed some time before WWI for shooting brown bears at short range.
I did recently pick up and custom Steven's 200 in 458win mag.
Barnes 300gr ttsx socom bullets are my main load. I do cast some lead for it as well.
Load with the 500 gr solids and let your friends try it 😂
Breneke black magic slugs are the only ones worth a crap for bear protection ,
In the mountains of the PNW. When going through a Berry thick’it, especially salmon berries. Make noise
Depends if you are shooting from distance or require fast stopping power. 35 WCF in the Win 1895 keeps on working for both scenarios
Anything chambered in 338 win mag, for as big of a bullet it is the ballistics are close to 7 rem mag speeds but dump wayy more energy. Browning A bolt, Ruger guide gun lever action , ruger m77 guide
I have been taught to make the first shot count period .I learned to hunt with a single shot cil ,then a Spanish sidex and th n my franchi model 48 .That gun was tough to shoot a second shot accurately .The recoil was bad so I learned to take my tome to place my first shot .Was a great gun to snow shoe for Hares light fast first shot .Now i uses a beretta A303 for everything .Onve in a while i take out the savage 243 or special occasions my 111 in 300winmag .all depends
.338 win mag
So what about the 6.8 western? The 165gr ABLR is bonded and has an SD of .307 and its going fast! Also the 175gr would be an even higher SD although i'm not sure of the construction of that one.
30-378 Weatherby backcountry 2.0 carbon is my choice for deer and larger. .30 cal min for grizzly country for me.
The hardest kicking cartridge in the lightest rifle made. I bet practising is a lot of fun.
@@merlinofnewit’s very surprising how manageable it is with the muzzle brake. It’s no worse than my 6lb .308 browning x bolt. Can sit down and shoot 3-4 boxes of shells no problem.
Shot placement is the most important, I Canada the Rangers were using Enfield mk3 but now they are issued the Tika in .308 and they have no issue taking Polar Bears
What’s the sectional density of the 45-70 hardcast 405 gr
You mention 10mm but 357 mag which is nearly identical would work just as well. And with newer 8 round revolvers like S&W and Taurus make it should be fine for black bear protection. IMO
I live in Pennsylvania North Central Pennsylvania elk Potter McKean county and we get some decent size bears 4 and 500 lb bears but I have shot in a 130 lb bear and my nephew was shot a 250 lb bear and that's the biggest. I personally have been in on a hunt with but we go around to the check stations in Pennsylvania here where we're at to see all the big bears and the biggest one I saw was a check station was 450 some pounds. There was actually two two of them the same day 1 mile apart by the same group of hunters. One was brown phased which I actually saw that bear in the summer that year. Pretty cool
Nice tips you guys.
Cool . Looking forward to pt 2 .
What about the Brenneke solid lead slugs vs the old foster hollow base ones?
The 28 Nosler work 😏
I like the 300 Weatherby
😮 people making up the forum, of your comments... Know lots of valuable stuff!
Thanks for striking the conversation
Eather my Browning 45.70 lever carbine with 350 gr bonded hp hand loads or my H&K 91 .308 with 20 rd clips of military FMJ armor piercing. Besides those two maybe my 300 Weatherby mag with nosler 200 gr. Partition. Otherwise I'll find a 375 H&H mag double
What about 35 whellen
A few years ago, there was some possibility i would be moving to AK. Hoped i would get into hunting up there, at least somewhat. Figured i would get a 45-70 down here, and maybe a DA 44 mag, before going. Would wait to get a 10 mm (wanted one anyway) until after moving, because there are more choices up there (don't get me started on the Kalifornia "safety roster" for handguns). The plan was caribou, any sort of deer, and maybe moose. Wasn't concerned about a bear-specific rifle, if i even decided to hunt bears. Every pawn shop had 300 and 338 WM rifles, probably pawned or sold off by north slope oil workers. Lots of used guns in the gun shops too. Anyway, the relationship didn't work out and i am never going to move up there. Who knows, maybe i will go hunt the peninsula someday still.
Good points as always, gents. Always thought provoking. My other thought for AK was to get an AR 10 with a second upper in 338 Federal.
GREAT INFORMATION!
Awesome buck grunt at 41:35 👍
I live in NC and know a lot of bear hunters. We have the largest black bear in the world in the eastern part of the state. They kill 5 and 600 lb bears every year. Our record is 880 lbs. they all hunt with 45/70 444 or 44 mag. They have shot them with high powered rifles and lost them before. And even been attacked when going in a thicket to dispatch a wounded bear. It wasn’t pretty, especially when u have to saw down trees to Medevac a man out of the swamps after a large bear attack. The 600 pound bear bit this guy on the thigh and was jerking him around like a rag doll. But they use big bore on these bear. They hunt with dogs and have lost 5 or 6 in one race with a bear. Even the bulldogs. So large males 6 to 800 lbs are a different animal.
Not many bears in central Kansas. Mostly Angus and Herefords…
~7 min in....I recall the pneumonic "Brown lay down, Black fight back, White goodnight." ...the white being if you are ever unfortunate enough to encounter a polar bear...you're dead if they're hungry..
If it's a black, fight back. If it's a brown, lay down. If it's a white, good night. Bears are not cute and cuddly, they are formidable predators.
That's the saying i go by.
No white's here in Missoula, but blacks and browns.
The black bears scare me at night while camping.
A dog is a literal life saver ( of the bear and me ). ☆
Even Billy Bobs swamp bottom hardware store will have 30-06 ammo.
That should end the argument. Finding newer fancy caliber ammo could be a disaster.
Sectional density is why the old 6.5 military cartridges were so successful years ago on elephant.
Long heavy skinny fmj have killed many with brain shots. Or like your 7mm08 the 7mm Mauser was popular with there 175gr fmj .
7mm rem mag for black, 450BM for everything else
My dad owns a Remington model 700 chambered in 243. It has a very light trigger. But when I first shot the gun at targets. I never shot it before. I would be scared of shooting it due to thinking it will recoil hard. I would shut my eyes when I pull the trigger. Now I stopped doing it and now i realize how not hard recoil the gun is
The 338 RPM "without a belted case." Music to my ears. My only belted case magnum was the 338 Winchester. A nice round that deserves all the accolades that it gets, but it has that cursed belt that shorten case life (yes, even partially resized or resized to fit the shoulder) and provides no benefit in a modern, sharp shouldered case.
Were I to have just one close range rifle for bear, and I could not have a .375 H&H (OK, a belt, but one that has a purpose) I would have my dream rifle, the Marlin in 45-70.
But in my experience with both the .338 and the .375 H&H, the .338 cases stretch less and generally last a few reloads more. The belt thing is just an aesthetic or mental hang up. In a .338, it really doesn't detract from the round. My experience has been chamber dimensions and proper sizing can and do effect case life. YMMV, just my personal experience. Besides, I don't use cases that have been reloaded several times to hunt with. ESPECIALLY when dangerous game is involved. Use fresh cases or factory fodder, and no worries about cases failing. Target shooting NP. Then again, I don't target shoot with any of my .338s or .375s. However, the important things is that you feel comfortable with your choice. If the belt make you uncomfortable the RPM or .338-06 are better choices for you. I just never understood why some folks are so put off by the belt. Likewise the .338 Win. Has a 25° shoulder angle which is a nice compromise and it feeds great, too. Granted the H&H is even slicker.
great video! I think it is improtant to also talk about sights and scopes for bear defense and hunting
I used a 303 Enfield hard jacket 180 grain bullets
What about 450 bushmaster or a newer cal 7.5 FK
9.3x62 - job done!!
Ron, is the old Taylor knockdown metric worth its weight to go by when choosing a caliber for dangerous game?
It can't hurt, but one must recognize that Mr. Taylor formulated that based on the stunning effect of various cartridges/bullets applied to head-shot elephants. A bullet of any size and speed that strikes near the brain without penetrating it may or may not knock out the elephant for a few seconds to many minutes. Any bullet, regardless its size and speed, that reached the brain would kill the elephant. Converting this to body hits on anything is problematic at best, as my 50+ years of big game shooting experiences have proven to me. Nevertheless, wider and heavier and faster all add up to more tissue damage, and that always helps.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors I didn’t know that was based on the effects on elephant only. Thanks!!!
Bear story here. Dad got charged by a black bear with 30-30. Hit it all 5 times and it didn’t go down. Ok I shit you not one round hit the forehead and ricocheted with no penetration of the skull. It took a side hit that finally knocked it off it’s feet saving my dad.
He shot his RUclips plaque! 😂😂😂😂
I am an ultra runner, who sometimes takes part in races in dangerous game country, both in Africa and North America. I basically have to hope that I am not attacked.
How about 300RUM?
Should do the trick. With 180 gr. Barnes TSX
I shoot 305 grain hard cast out of my Henry rifle at almost 1600 fps. Which generates about 1650 ft/lbs
And a 180 grain at 2164 fps which generates nearly 1900 ft lbs. Which one is better? I like the heavies even though the generate less energy.
Modern day mnt man has a video of a guy flattering a Kodiak with the 338 federal
I've never flattered a bear before.🤔
Wonderful cartridge that deserves more use
@@troy9477 I’m building one now Ar-10 absolute hog Hammer! 🔨
@@Tokool849 Cool. Sounds fun. We can't really build them here in Kalifornia anymore. Lot of hoops. Not worth the bother. But when i move to a free state......
i live in the canadian rockies , carry a lee enfield everywhere , never felt undergunned
The 303 has taken down every animal on the planet. Great round and awesome gun!
@@voisindo Bingo! See my reply to @mdog1615 above. From elephants to bull moose and bears in Canada and just about anything else on all the continents. Bullet placement is key.
Bingo! The two guys in the video hate long barreled manly real rifles with wood stocks. W.D.M. Bell killed several elephants with the .303 British cartridge in the Lee-Enfield battle rifle. He shot the elephants center, between the eyes.
What vest is Joseph wearing. Like the vest with the shooting pads.
338Federal for the WIN!
Not often seen, like the 358 Win., but a really nice cartridge.
A bit underrated because it's not a distance cartridge, but there's a lot of hunting that's not big distance! Especially in Black Bear country.
Agreed. I hope it makes a comeback. At meast it would not be hard to have one made. The donor rifle can be any short action chambered for anything in the 308 family
Last year I met a guide from Idaho who had an AR-10 built in 338Fed with an apa brake. He had 10 rnd and 20 round mags. He said that when he has to intervene it's not at long range. He contended that a fast 10 rounds of 338 cal partitions is more than any grizzly could argue with. And the 20 round mag made him feel good following up a wounded bear in thick stuff. I think he was right about all of it.
Am I the only one who things the 7mm Mauser is the best all around hunting bullet? I mean, old man Mauser knew what he was doing back in the day. Also the 6.5mm Mausers are also pretty good at hunting. The Italian 6.5mm is also a nasty round for hunting. Lots of internal damage.
How would a 308 do against a 400+ black bear at 300-400
"the best rifle", (is the one that Sponsors THIS VIDEO).
270 for eastern black bear. 150 grain.
I deer hunt with ar-15s that bear is getting 20 rounds of barnes tsx
Ron if i may ask what part of Idaho do you live? Would you consider taking a Disabled Veteran on a hunt? Thank you
Many times bears bluff charge , I had a small 200 lb put me on top of a truck . He was huffing .
What leupold scope is that. What’s the magnification on it.
What copper bullets are you useing
Awesome video Ron… thanks buddy…
Come on Ron. You know it's a 308 😅
32 sp = 308 = 3006 = 300 mag = 4570 = 375 hh know where your goin to be covered , no expanding bullets . Always have a good 44 mag =10mm = 40 mm 9 mm with flat nose solids .
Anyone know what brand shirt he is wearing with the brown symbol over the chest pocket?
375 hh mag cant beat it
True that but the rifle isn't good for long range. Is only good to about 300 yards then the drop and loss of energy is huge. That's where the 338 win mag is good. It's slightly less powerful than 375 H&H but not much less powerful. Like marginally. But can shoot out to 800 yards easily.
My favorite thing about bears…is their hugs
I like that they advocate for forest fire prevention. 😊
@@luvtahandload7692
And they always crap in the woods.
@@scottythebody0811 I thought that was the Pope. Lol
@@luvtahandload7692 That is one consistent thing among them.
@@scottythebody0811 Because nobody ever provides them with a porta potty.
Everyone has an opinion. Some of them have experienced-based opinions.
Among those with actual experience, there are still a variety of caliber preferences because several different calibers ARE effective. So we can go with the latest high-tech, super-duper bullet design pushed by this or that powder charge. Or we can choose one of several trusted old calibers which have proven themselves in capable hands for generations. Some of those would be 45/70, 30-06, 300 or 338 mag, or 375 H&H. ALL of them have been demonstrated to be reliable bear calibers. Yes, some smaller calibers have worked. And certainly the elephant gun calibers do work, but are not as comfortable to shoot as lesser calibers. I'm not an African PH or an Alaskan guide. But I have had success with all of my listed calibers except the 300 win mag. And I know of many others directly or through reputation who have been successful with at least one of those calibers.
My point?
Go with what is known to have worked and whose ammo is generally available in many place at most times.
Understanding that there are several other newer calibers which would certainly be effective, I will stick with what I have and know to be effective, with no rational need to buy something different.
The best rifle for bears is the 1 you have handy .......
Hi Ron. That 45-70 cartridge you have there with the black tip bullet, is that powder coated?
And if so, are powder coated bullets safe to hunt with or are they only for target shooting?
I ask because, in a hunting situation I am wondering if the powder coat will fracture on impact and flake off in the meat. I have no experience with powder coating.
I do not recall where I got that 45-70 black bullet load nor what the coating is. Bullets have been coated with various substances over the years and none were banned for hunting use. Winchester has long used black Lubalox which mainly protected bullets against tarnishing. Barnes had blue coated bullets, the blue material a protective film used in the auto racing industry to protect metal beneath. (Barnes idea was to reduce friction and copper fouling of barrels.) That said, native peoples in several locations had learned to apply organic poisons to darts and arrow tips that proved plenty deadly. Plastic and polymer tipped bullets leave fragments of those materials in game meat. Lead itself has been shown to consistently smear and break into tiny bits and pieces, some of which have been found via X-rays as far as 18 inches from the main wound channel. So you are wise to consider the effects of bullet coatings and materials.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thank you Ron!
One other thing, I saw an episode a while back where you mentioned maybe doing a series of videos on reloading and I believe you asked if enough people would be interested. I, for one, would love to see you do that and would definitely purchase that series! I enjoy the way you describe and explain things. I am very interested in getting into reloading and can think of no better Professor😁. Thanks again.
375 H&H. Ruger No.1
I think you skimmed over the 12ga too fast. There ARE some great slugs made by Breneke that are hard cast and designed for bear that you didn’t touch on. That’s just the one off the top of my head but there are many especially some of the slugs that come out of Russia for the Roll Your Own guys! As well as some all copper boutique loads by guys like The Ballistic Machinist.
Careful with the 12 ga sg choice...there are a some with unreliable safeties, ie, it won't shoot if the shitty plastic ambi safety is loose. Mossberg 500 is one of them.
... the best bear or anything else rifle for north America? ... bolt action 30-06 sprng with 180 grain Rem core-lokt ammo and crf action ... next question?
As field guide in southern Africa, good old 375 h$h 😊
360 buckhammer,,try that one,,
Over the years I've been told that grizzlies are"Brown Bears" but all brown bears are not grizzlies,for example,the Kodiak is a brown bear but it is not a grizzly.As far as the weight goes yes that should be considered.I happen to be a combat veteran(U.S.Army Recon),and we qualified with the 7.62 mm M14 at Ft.Polk La. in 1966 and with the 5.56mm m16 and the 1911 cal.45 in advanced infantry training (Tiger Land)Ft.Polk also.I "Humped" the m16,M14,m79 and the "60",the weight empty,26 pounds,even the designated machine gunner didnt complain.I have found out that a reliable weapon is more important than the weight of a weapon.Away with that sorry m16,give my first love,the M14.