Elk Hunt With The 270 Win.?
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For many shooters the 270 Win. represents the upper limit of tolerable recoil. In an 8-pound rifle firing a 130-grain pill 3,100 fps, the 270 will generate 15.77 foot-pounds or free recoil energy. In comparison, a 30-06 with a 150-gr. bullet at 2,900 fps kicks back with 18.26 ft. lbs. A 300 Win. Mag. with the same bullet at 3,200 fps whacks you with 25.10 ft. lbs. The mild bucking of the 270 makes it easier to shoot well without flinching, a major part of why this round has proven so effective on big game. It makes shooting accurately easy.
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Can we please get some more hunting stories like this Ron. I felt like a little kid listening to Grandpa telling hunting stories.
We'll try a few more hunting stories, Bjorn, and if people like them, we'll continue. Thanks for the feedback.
@@idahosixgun5601 I'll third it!!
More stories!!!!
This comment reminded me of the series Grandpa and the Kid that was in Field and Stream magazine when I was a kid. I remember racing to the mailbox to get my copy of the magazine, and hurriedly running to my room to read the latest episode in the series.
more stories!
Sounds like many of the Mag. shooters missed what Ron was saying. He closed the distance, which a Hunter would do anyway, thats why its called Hunting. Accuate shot placement by all animals, Deer Elk or Wild Boar does the job, your Bullet choice is for the 270 win. is important as well. I have to hunt with Copper Bullets, and have no problems getting lethal exit wounds. Set an ethical limit on shooting distances and Stock your prey, do your long distance shooting on the Range not in the Field.
An old cousin we all called "Uncle Audie" lived in Nathrop, CO on the Arkansas River. He told me he killed 21 elk with 22 shots from a .25-20...and never shot one that wasn't within 75 FEET... head shots. He was putting a cow in the freezer - one per year, for the 21 years he lived there. He never considered a long shot.
@@rocksandoil2241 I was going to offer something similar.....it's not so much what you hit them with, it's WHERE you hit them. I've seen elk taken with 25-06 that dropped like they were hit by lightning....neck shot with 117 Sierra BT spitzers. Exit hole about the size of a baseball and no tracking ever needed. Bigger calibers with more power just expand your shot possibilities and it's hard to make the argument that they are needed if a hunter does his/her job properly.
I have a 7 mag but my limit is 300 I won’t shot past that and I prefer closer
If you can't tell me exactly where the bullet will strike the animal before you pull the trigger then don't pull the trigger.
Nothing wrong with "long" shots either. I regularly shot man sized targets at 600 meters with a 4x optic. Just know your limits and train, of course.
My sister married a rancher's son from CO. His entire huge extended family has for generations relied on the .270 Winchester for the full spectrum of Rocky Mountain big game.
It’s cool to have that kind of experience with one rifle, and I enjoy hearing about people like this. However it will never be me - I am way too much of a rifle nut. However if I could have only one, the 270 would be on my short list for sure.
Grandfather, uncles and my brothers all depended on the early ('39 and '41) model 70 270!! My youngest brother and I guided every fall for years with the Win Model 70 270, and I've hunted ever since with the '39 model. Went "bareback" for decades but we put scopes on them after some time. We rarely shot elk over 100-200 yards!! Lots and lots of elk (and muley) stories, but the great herds we saw were always on the migration trails to wintering grounds in Western Wyoming!!
Elk are taken every year with a pointed stick and a bow every year, I'm sure the 270 is quite capable.
Yes but 300 yards to be safe. Weird because the .270 WSM / 6.8 Western is such harder hitting which is odd but new technology. You can shoot further then 300 obviously but 270 win just have light bullets. If ya know your rifle range and thump sure. Hes hunting smaller elk, out west they are Roosevelt and up to 300-500 pounds bigger! Bellys dragging and big clear cuts
Great elk hunting story, Ron! I was on the edge of my seat! I love the .270. Iconic and classic round.
Thanks Luvta.
Thank you for this video! I am 55 yrs old and grew up with many great uncles that all used a .270 for elk in the Cascades of the PNW. They all told me that I didn't need anything with magnum after the caliber. I hunt with a pre 64 win .308 featherweight made in 1958 and it does just fine! They taught me poke it where you want it and wait for the placement. After high school my friends gave me crap because it was a "wimpy" .308.... I feel justified after all these years! Still love my .308!
Yes! Jack OConnor said it was far better to secure your game quarry with one of the old tried and true calibers than to miss with a monster that would stop a rolling freight train. The 270 always got the job done. Yes, there are much more powerful calibers but are they truly necessary? He urged us to practice marksmanship and shot placement. I agree!
Elmer keith shot his 50th elk with the 458 Magnum at over three hundred yards. 500gr. Bullet of course. That bullet hit like a freight train.
I used to shoot at a range where there was always this old timer shooting, Hell I’m that old timer now. He bought his .270 in 1925 and got his Elk almost every year with the .270 always at responsible ranges.
I could listen to you tell stories all day! As a hunter who didn’t begin hunting until my adult life, I learn so much every time you speak. Keep ‘em coming sir!
Same here!
I shot several kudu and gemsbuck with a .270 although I later had to "upgrade" to a .30-06 in Botswana (which accounted for quite a few eland). There I befriended an old farmer who shot 12 african buffalo with his .270 - so I could not even argue with him about the issue. It boils down to bullet placement and performance - but really, on buffalo I would not even consider anything smaller than a 9.3x62. Kind regards
My dad killed his Henry Mtns cow bison with a single shot from a stock 700 bdl in 270win with the old Federal blue box. The 270 just works. Love the content Ron
270 winchester is one of the only old school long action caliber that I still whole heartedly love! Have seen several elk and many a white tail and muleys meet their end to its report! Mild recoil and phenomenal ballistics make it a phenomenal western caliber!
What's wrong with long action calibers?
Hi Ron, I am another very satified .270 wcf user.I also have 5 decades of experience hunting Bull Elk, worked as an guide for our local outfitter's.
I have seen Bull Elk tipped over with the .243 through to the .375 H&H .
I carry a .270 wcf and I use premium bullets in my handloads. In the old days, the lathe turned Nosler partitions, these days I continue to favor the 150 or 160 Partitions.
A controlled expansion bullet is the key, imo .I have not seen a partition bullet fail to work as designed.
I have tried most all of the copper monolithic design with great success, Barnes, Hornady and Cutting Edge( C.E. is cnc lathe turned)
Bullets these days are amazing by design and some of the newer propellants have improved velocities
I chronograph my handloads.
I use this as a hunting load .270 win, 22" barrel, 150 N.P. , Reloder 26, Hornady cases.
I don't use magnum primers either...muzzle velocity 3040(ave) fps/ 4000 feet above sea.
level / 60* f.
I use this safely in all the.270's I own, including the Browning BLR which is a( advanced) Lever action rifle.
Taking an elk on a deer hunt, thats like hitting the lottery!
I been using 270 Winchester since the 70s in North Dakota for white tails. Our hunting party is 270. We can share our shell's with each other. That old uncle would show up shell less every year laughing. 270 kicks a bit. I'm 62 and still have that first one I bought in the early 70s 400 bucks great memories.
270 kicks a bit? Shoot a 300 win mag
Based on my experience at my gun clubs hunter sight in days, precious few people can shoot a .300 Mag well.
Live in Montana, hunted elk for 50 plus years using a 270. Not so much about caliber as ability of hunter to shoot accurately. If you can't kill elk with a 270 , you can't kill one with a . 50 cal..
I haven't hunted yet but I think with a 50 bmg I'll be able to get a elk.
Well said
Great lesson on hunting. Far too many people are taking long and reckless shots rather than hunting responsibly.
Big problem across all forms of hunting. Especially in waterfowling. I see far too many goons taking 60+ yd shots at passing birds and injuring them.
Heck once this year I watched two guys in another pool unload their guns on a drake mallard, and watched it fly away injured and it sailed down. Luckily it sailed down to my decoy spread and I shot it inside 5yds.
I agree!
If it came to choosing between the stalking or shooting for hunting big game, I'll choose the stalk every time.
Anyone with some funds can buy a powerful rifle.
No one can buy competent hunting, stalking, animal knowledge.
@@exothermal.sprocket Right on, Lifted. You can't manufacture and sell stalking, tracking, reading the wind... So we emphasize what we can sell. The wise hunter sees throughg the hype, assess real needs, buys and trains with useful gear that works, and then continues a lifetime of perfecting woodsmanship.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors "You can't manufacture and sell stalking"
Well put sir. I'm using this.
Used my .270 with Remington Core-Lokt 150gr. Shot at 150yards. Elk didn’t go 10 yards. Ill use my .270 any-day, but will keep the shots under 400 yards due to the loss of kinetic energy.
Ty so much for under 400 yds. All these nuts that want to shoot 800 yds and further.
@@Peter-od7op I have friends that shoot ELR competition and are very capable of shooting an elk at 1000 yards. I wouldn't take that shot though. It's all about people knowing their own abilities. I probably wouldn't shoot past 400 yards, but the windier it is, the closer I'll be before pulling the trigger. I don't mind holding a shot and letting a deer or elk walk.
@@TexanUSMC8089 loved everything you said. But these people that want to shoot 1000 yds have no idea what energy is left. Really little to none. Also anytime you have more than 1/2 second flight time animals can and be wounded. Just because you can hit paper or metal at 1000 yds you have no business taking a chance shot. Also these guys if they new the energy at 1000 yds would realize its unethical.
I had bad results with the 150 grain core lokt in 270 for whitetail. I would always find my deer with exit holes the same size as the entry and very little blood.
@@ringofasho7721 what was the range you shooting at
Ive killed over 10 elk with a .270 150gr partition. All were inside 300 yards though. i wouldnt shot at one further then that
Wife has taken 2 cow elk with her 270. She likes it, is very comfortable with it, very confident with it. Now that we moved to Alaska, she is looking forward to bagging a few Caribou. My dad and grandfather hunted exclusively with 270 and took dozens of elk and mule deer. I grew up hunting with a 270 successfully but have gravitated to 30-06 & 300wm , mostly because of bullet selection and versatility. 270 has alot of life left before she goes down in the history books.
I've seen bull elk taken with a .243 win. Shooting Barnes tsx solid copper bullets. Got a full pass through both lungs behind the shoulder. Bullet construction makes a huge difference.
Awesome caliber I have shot everything with my 270 with 130grain bullet from cape eland right down to a Duiker in SA. Most important is quality of bullet
The 1st elk I ever killed was with a 270WSM and the 2nd was with a 270WIN both were with my handloads using the 140gr Nosler Accubond at about 200ish yards. At that distance with that bullet if you do your part that's a dead elk every single time. These days I'm shooting a 7mm Rem Mag or 280AI just because I own them and I like the added horsepower... That said if all you have is a 270WIN you can hunt just about everything in North America especially if you're not trying to stretch things out past it's capabilities. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Thanks Dan. Will do.
130 grain barns tsx or nosler accubond chambered in 270 win is my favorite elk medicine.
I'd have absolutely no issues taking a 270 on an elk hunt! My last elk was taken with a 270.
Thank you for sharing your stalk on the herd of elk and your selection of 270 Win for the cartridge. I grew up in Texas during the 1950s and the 270 was the go to round. It is still a most versatile cartridge.
In West Texas it still pretty much is along with .30-06. All other rounds are less popular even today. They have the reach without being overpowered for the game you have in that country. Lots of other popular calibers and I see more variety with what Texas hunters are using these days but still the 2 main standbys because they just work and millions of rifles are chambered for them.
If it was good enough for Uncle Jack its good enough for me.
Jack O'Connor got me into the 270 back in the late '60s when I first started deer hunting, I've owned several.
I took an awesome 6 x 7 bull elk at 277 yards with my old pre 64 Winchester mod 70. Made in 1949. I used the Sierra 140 grain HPBT. Elk down.
The 270 is also fantastic for driven hunt on wild boar. Due to the high velocity and light bullets with low recoil, you can keep up with fast running boar very well!
I always thought the 270 Win was THE elk cartridge! Never questioned it for that purpose. Interesting video …. thanks!
Like you've said before, careful shot placement for maximum blood loss, every time!
Hello from Oklahoma! Interesting video. I carry an '06 165 gr. bullets. Elk, Bear, or deer, no worries. Thanks for the story!
From my experience on the .270 Win. its a exceptional game getter. From taking heavy armored grisseled wild boars from Tejon Ranch in CA, to deer, yotes and the AZ Elk in the west. It does its job fantastically!!
My last elk was taken at 210yds with my personal handload. A quartering away downhill shot placed a 130gr Barnes TTSX BT bullet with IMR 4350 / 54gr . I was very impressed with the terminal ballistics.
The well placed shot was tucked under the last rib on its right side. The bullet skewered the Cow about 4.5 feet. Yes, almost 5 feet diagonally. It took out the pump station. It took a good portion of the right lung, and severed the aorta of the heart and took the front lobe of the left lung, busted 2 ribs of left side, and pierced the scapula-shoulder blade of front left shoulder. I did not get a pass thru. Bullet was stuck between the hide and front shoulder. Bullet fully expanded the typical Barnes petals. The elk fell in its tracks.
I would shoot a .270, 30-06, or 7mm Mag anyday without any hesitation in the continental U.S. or plains game in Africa. Get comfortable with your firearm and be a responsible shooter-hunter. Love your content Mr. Spomer!!
People underestimate the270,30-06 and 308.
Here in Canada people use these calibers more then any other on moose and they work great
My first hunt was a elk hunt with a 270. Closed the distance to 300 yards and dropped a nice bull 😊
Ron, fantastic job telling that story; which is also very informative. Incidently, i hunt whitetail in Eastern Canada, and my ammo of choice is that .270 Win Deer Season XP that you describe. Again, great job, you are a pleasure to watch, and thank you for your great work.
6.5 Swede works on moose in Scandinavia and I’m pretty sure bullets work the same on this side of the world so of course 270 will work on elk.
Abselutely. Just 4 rules:
1-shot placement is crucial, shoot straight.
2-use the heaviest bullet and best constructed bullet you can find.
3-keep the distance realistic.
4-have a lot of fun outdoors.
And 5. Be thankful for living in USA with these freedoms and opportunities.
Those on demand elk calls are pretty impressive 😂
My Brother is quite the deer hunter. Many have fallen to his .270. I used a .30-'06 for many years, then switched to a .300 Win Mag in 2012, in preparation for an Elk hunt in Montana.
In my opinion, regardless of caliber, shot placement is the key to success.
If the hunter knows where the bullet needs to go, and is marksman enough to put it there, then it is lights out for the game.
With good shot placement, a .270 is more than adequate to kill an elk out to 400 yards. Magnums are highly overrated and unnecessary to kill an elk. Recoil from magnums frequently impact the shooter's ability to make a good shot. A .270, .308, 30.06 and even my favorite 7mm-08 are more than adequate out to 400 yards. Honestly, no one needs to be shooting elk beyond that range anyway. When I head out to Colorado, as I've done for nearly 30 years, I grab my 30.06 and 7mm-08. I've never heard of an elk complaining what they just were killed with.
I feel like this is a bed time story with some ballistics thrown in. Could ya tuck me in while you’re at it Ron? And tell me about the tales of elk hunting and the bullet drops?
Great information on .270 and hunting story!
Thank you, Michael!
Excellent video. I just acquired a REM 700 .270. I plan to elk hunt with it next year. Up until now, I have killed several elk with a 300 win mag. It does a fine job but I think
it is overkill.
🤠 Yep!
I was just talking to a friend about a trip out West we are starting to plan, a new adventure for all of us, and we got into the caliber discussion. The research I had done upto that point was saying to expect a 400 yd shot, so I had told him that 270 was the smallest I would think, but that I would not take something that size. Good to see the numbers on that 150 IS good out to 400 yds.
Great info! Keep them coming.
The ought six is ballistically better than the 270 both using 150 grn bullet ballistic coefficient wise is what I was getting at I believe I know guys that shoot elk every year in Montana and they use the 222 rem
I love my .270.
Colorado 2007 @ 305 yards nosler partition 150 grain shot my elk and it dropped right where it was stood. Love my 270 and always will.
My caliber of choice is the 270 win. It is very capable of taking larger game at realistic distances. I hunt elk every year. 99% of my shots are well under 200 yards, hell most of my mule deer have been taken with my 22-250 rem. And some of those shots we're greater than 200 yards. Like we have always said Ron, it's bullet placement.
270 is not my favorite but no arguing that lots of Canadian Moose have been taken with the .270Win. An Elk shouldn't be a problem. (poorly constructed bullets need not apply though)
🤠 Ronbo (Montana Mountain Man) - Great story and I am glad you got him! Kind of like receiving an "Unexpected Gift" - I relate! This is "A Perfect Example" of "ENCOUNTERING THE UNEXPECTED"! Many of the Biggest Trophies I have seen were in a place they "weren't supposed to be"! And, I suppose, that is why the "Big One" was their? Those times are some of my most cherished memories! Would make for a good video, huh? This year, I took my good friend Steve (he is "handicapped") on a late season Montana Antelope hunt - which also means it is rifle season for deer and elk! It was an hour after daylight and we are driving the open grassy hillside when out from the willows of a small creek below (several miles from any pine trees and mountains) ran 3 bull elk and crossed the road right in front of us! One of the bulls was a big 7×7 bull in the 340 class, but we were just a little to late for him to set up for a good shot! Several hours later, we saw a heard of over a thousand elk out in a grassy field on private land, so all he was able to get were pictures (two of the bulls were in the 350 class)! But, later that day, I put him on a trophy 16" Antelope at 50 yards - but my "mentally challenged" friend couldn't find him in the scope and the buck stood their for 10 minutes! Uhggg! At least that is what he said was the problem (and yes, I told him to put his scope on low power)! Did we (he) get anything that day? No! Was I a little frustrated at him? Yes! But, was it a "Good Hunt"? Absolutely! We don't live in a "Perfect World", but that doesn't stop me from having a "Perfectly Good Time" with "Imperfect People"! He will be talking about that hunt for years to come, even though his performance was "Less Than Perfect"! You see, we spend all this time talking about what are the "best calibers" to hunt with, all that effort spent on "chasing the Big One", and only talking about the big animals that we've killed with our "PERFECT RIFLE"! But, when you get older, like me, the "PERFECT HUNT" wasn't the biggest animal you shot! Nope! It was memories of those you hunted with, taking someone whom no one else would (hunting or fishing), in those beautiful places that God created, and the times when the "Big One" got away! As I said at the start, "Encountering the Unexpected" - what a "Beautiful Gift"! 🙂
Bingo Ron. You get it, man. You get it!
My Uncle in Idaho took an Elk every year for near 40 years. Used his own hand loads. The 150 grain bullets at about 2,800 fps M.V.
I do believe he never stretched the range. Was usually under 200 yards.
Only had to stalk and put in a second bullet twice in his whole life!
So, yes! You can take Elk. But shot placement is very important.
that's the way to do it stalk and get as close as you can
Another great video Ron! You are doing us all a service with your insightful comments and experiences. Thank you!
I appreciate that, Bob.
Great video, as usual. I kind of disagree about your assessment of the first time elk hunter looking more heavily at the magnums. I would say if their pet deer rifle is a 270, and that’s what they know, they should stick with it. Most hunters are not going to practice enough with a new rifle, particularly with ammo prices what they are, to become proficient enough with the magnums to make bringing it worthwhile. As always, if know your firearm, your bullet and load, and your capabilities, and stay within those respective limitations, you won’t go wrong.
Agreed. My buddy was going to get a new rifle for a big hunt and I told him the same thing here. I added though, that if he had the money for a new rifle why not just spend the money to upgrade his scope? And if he had time, work up a new load with a quality bullet. A new scope and/or load makes an old rifle feel new again.
If they aren't going to practice, then maybe they shouldn't go hunting. It really is a pretty simple answer. If I couldn't find ammo for sale, or load some, I certainly wouldn't buy a new rifle though. Put a muzzle brake on a 7 rem mag and it'll have less recoil than a 270. There are a lot of solutions, but there's nothing wrong with hunting elk with a 270, or 280, or 308, or 7-08. Just use a good bullet and know your limitations.
@@demetriuscooksey7147 I had to man-shame not one, but two brother in laws to get them to put on a decent to better scope. Both had Rem 700's but neither could hit very well with iron sights. The one with the worst eye sight got a 1 3/4 - 5 Redfield, and the other got a top of the line 3x9 Bushnell. I hand loaded some 308 ammo for them as well, and one won a few 'buddy challenge' shooting contests thereafter. Some people can't be told, they have to be led to it. You're right on in your analysis!
@@johnshields9110 Nice Job brudder for yur friends. Paying it Forward by helping the uninformed.
Jack wrote that if the game was too big for a .270 he just switched to a .375 H&H. Worked for me on six continents.
Love the 270. Never shot an elk with it but the Man I got the. 270 from shot many elk
I've harvested many with the 270 with the 130 gr. From 50 to 300 yes. never tried over that. However another man I was hunting with did drop a bull at nearly 600 yds. Though he used 150 gr.
Every North American big game animal I’ve taken has been with a .270, including elk in the Bob Marshall Wilderness, great cartridge!
I took a bull in the Beartooth canyon with a 270 at 500 yards. Prior to going I had to ask my dad what to use. He was an extreme marksman . He was one of Patton's men . He was put in charge of a gun squad by Patton and his officers . He didn't have a sniper in his squad . He was,so there was no questioning him, although I would've been better off with a 7mm, but I broke a rib and hit the heart . My 150 Nozzler was spread and laid inside the rib cage. I was benched on a rock and had no wind . I was coached by a military guide . We had plenty of time to figure drop , but guessed at 3-4 feet. I'm not the shot my dad was and I passed at 600 . I did shoot no less than 150 rounds before going and I think sighted flat a 300. The cheaper rounds to practice with were the 130 boat tail and it patterned better than the 150 Nozzler . The Nozzler in 90 wasn't a boat tail design but the tip spread perfect . Do it again ? Sorry dad I'd go with the 7mm ,but when I came dad acted like no problem for the 270. 😎
I have taken 23 elk. Most with the 270 Winchester. The 270 is a good elk rifle.
@idahoron - Wow!!!!! That's quite an achievement. I don't know anyone who even comes close to half that many.
Just curious - were most of your elk taken on private land?
@@skippylippy547 no all of them were public land. Three 6 point bulls, several spikes and the rest cows.
What kind of bullet--weight?
@@davidfornkahl8374 140 gr Hornady BTSP
I would love that. Elk, and .270.
Ron, your life experience hunting stories are great! Always enjoy hearing them.
Guys who hunt can understand & relate to the excitement you display in your videos.
Thank you Brian.
Got my first moose with 270 , took the bull at 100 yards. Also my first elk , stalked it to within 50 yards .
*looks at whitetail tag*
*looks at herd of elk*
"...wow, those are big whitetails" *bang*
Another excellent video Ron! Great story and pics too.
Just really appreciate your common sense advice and good stories!
I would not hesitate to take an elk with the 270 Winchester. I handloaded 130 gr bullets easily to 3150 fps in 22” barrels. A lot of people don’t realize the original 130 gr load in a 270 was 3140 fps, later loaded down to 3050 fps that we all know today. I would bet a lot of people have taken elk with factory 130, 140, and 150 grain bullets since 1925. Handloading puts the 270 win where it is supposed to be, and it’s really not that far behind a 7mm rem mag.
It far behind the 7mm, compare both in Hornady Superformance because those are the closest to hand loading speeds.
.270 win, 140gr is going 3090fps vs 7mm mag, 154gr is going 3100fps
only 10fps difference at the muzzle but in energy the 7mm mag leads at 3286 vs the .270 at 2968, 318ft-lb difference at the muzzle
now, how about at range, all the way out to 400 the 7mm continues leading at by 500 yards it going another 60fps faster while producing another 231 ft-lb of energy.
And you can say its unfair because the 154 grain bullet weight but even comparing the 139 grain 7mm mag superformance, it also leads by roughly 150-200 fps and 150-200lb-ft across the board from muzzle to 500 yards
and hornady even makes a 162 grain Superformance 7mm load that blows any .270 Win load, out of the water
I use a 7MM Magnum because I have a a Heavily customized one. I Spent years on the stock alone.
@@nathan22outdoors8 Who's shooting game at 400-500 yards?
@@slick-px4pq alot of people, some shoot double that distance. My point still stands that the 7mm out performs it at any given range with comparable ammo.
He just wanted to show off those elk calls. Impressive.
I don’t know how many elk my grandfather took along with Dallas sheep, pronghorn, deer, caribou, mountain goat, and moose with his 270 130gr bullet can’t remember the bullet design was back in the 70’s and 80’s.
But he always preached get as close to the animal as you can to make the cleanest shot to put the animal out of its misery as quick as you can.
Pre64 model 70 winchester. 270 with a featherlight barrel. Great Mountain gun!
I bought a Ruger M77 .270 42 yrs ago and have killed many mule deer and elk with it. Everyone talks 130 and 150 grain bullets but I bought 2 box’s of winchester 140 grain failsafe back in the 80’s and still have a few left. They always done the trick!
Not sure why Winchester quit making those fail safes? One of the toughest bullets ever.
Heck, I hunt in the rain forests of Washington State for Roosevelt Elk, they are bigger bodied the the Rocky Mt Elk. I do shoot shorter distances because of the dense brush , but sometimes clear cuts you can shoot a longer distance. Elk have died to my .270 Win on many occasions. Damn good mule deer cartridge too. That’s all I have to say about that. I shoot the Precision Hunter 145g ELD-X
Another great one, Ron! I always enjoy your 270 videos.. Also I loved the Winchester World of Whitetail series, I don’t think people understand how good of a hunter you really are.
Well, thank you Landon. I don't know if I'm all that good a hunter or just lucky. Either way, I enjoy it! Thanks for watching.
My uncle has hunted Elk for years w/ a .270. It's never let him down.
I hunt elk every year, I never feel under gunned with my 270. A 150 Nosler partition works extremely well on elk. I shot my biggest bull to date this year 355" it didn't go more then 5 yards. It's all about shot placement.
I agree @Dean S I have been using 150 grain Nosler partitions in my Ruger M77 270 for over 25 years! Killed many Elk and Mule deer with this combo. 👊😎🇺🇸
To further your point my uncle has killed several nice bulls at up to three hundred yards with a 280 Remington shooting 150 partitions. Essentially the same load as your 270.
My first bull elk (5×6) with 150 grain Speer. My first elk was a a lead cow taken at about 350 yards on a power line.
Took my first Elk with a .22 short! He fell like a rock on the spot.
@@tonygslc801 I use my 270 and 7mm mag for deer and my 30-06 and 300 win mag for elk. I don’t hunt elk endless I have a 30 caliber. This has worked well for me
Jack O’Connor loved the .270 130g!
One of my uncles is a hunter and he uses the 270 Winchester for his hunts. He doesn't like shooting at anything farther than 400 yards so for him, anything more powerful just isn't necessary. If I ever get into hunting, I'll probably just go with a 270 as well. Is it the most powerful or the most accurate? No. But it works.
In 1996 we went to Redstone, CO for elk/mule deer. 2nd day of elk season there was a big 5x6 on the mountain across from us. Ranged at right at 800 yards. My cousin had a 270 and my brother had his Weatherby Lazermark in the 270 wby. Mag. My cousin sent 4 rounds across and the elk barely moved and we assumed he missed it. My brother's 3rd shot dropped him with the Wby. Mag. When we got to it, we seen there were 3 holes in it. The 270 barely went under the skin in the rib cage with 2 shots. My brother's first and second shots had missed but the 3rd caught him high in the shoulder and shot completely thru and was mostly lodged in the far shoulder. I had my 6mm Rem. and had already taken my elk the day before and was looking for a mule deer. The season there for deer and elk overlapped a few days back then. Me personally, I love the 270 but since I'm in Alaska now and will be going for Moose and possibly grizzly next year, I plan on getting something with a little more punch.
I shot the elk in my profile pic with a 150 grain Norma Oryx out of my .270. The range was 215 yards. It was a quartering away shot and he went 35 yards before collapsing. I recovered the bullet from just inside the hide on the opposite shoulder.
This is exact video I’ve been looking for.
A 270 is a magnum in disguise
Good story. I like hearing it this way better than watching a hunting show... I've never met a hunter that I respect that would say a 270 wouldn't work on an elk. I've talked with many an experienced hunter that has a story about an elk hit apparently solidly with xyz caliber/cartridge that top out and dropped into the next drainage. Or keep going for what seemed like miles. I've only seen a couple handfuls of elk be taken in person, and some of those with muzzle loaders. Taught me something however, I'd sooner hunt with a man that I knew could shoot, and knew his dope in a .243 than someone that's still got the factory grease on a 338.
Within reason (and 270 Win is SURELY within reason) -- and given today's modern bonded bullets which expand reliably and stay together -- I would say that choice of bullet is more important than choose of cartridge (from among reasonable and appropriate cartridges). If your bullet can be travelling at or above 2200 fps at point of impact, with a properly expanding bullet that will not separate, and given sufficient penetration (i.e., sufficient SD for the game) -- it should be enough for a quick kill with a well placed shot.
While I agree with the main premise, the whole talk about non-expanded-bullet-SD in relation to expanding bullets is silly. 277 150gr bullet can be constructed to expand VERY slightly more and/or .284 150gr can be constructed to expand slightly less and they will have exactly the same SD and mass after expansion.
All in the specific construction for specific purpose at specific speed.
@@PaulVerhoeven2 Sure. But nevertheless, penetration is vitally important, and a bullet that starts out with a good SD will likely have more penetration than one which starts out with a poor SD -- comparatively.
I shot my cow elk at 35 yards with a .270 150 grain bullet, one shot drop. 270 is my elk cartridge in a winchester model 70 featherweight.
I love the .270, and while I agree, a 150 grain would be preferable on an Elk, a 130 placed in the right spot, will literally shred the heart and lungs. Especially within 200 yards, where you still have enough velocity to dump a massive amount of energy into the vitals. The Winchester XP is fantastic. And if all I had was my 6.5 creedmoor, I wouldn’t hesitate using the Winchester ballistic silver tip.
Yeah, you are right, elk ribs aren't going to impede a 130 grain out of a .270. In my experience the fast light bullets give more a grenade effect and can do a lot of damage, people just need to realize they do not penetrate as well through the heaviest and most muscled parts of a large animal. My strategy is to avoid those hits anyway because I prefer to save the meat. So, I pick my shots.
Great show and thanks for the info Ron 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Good hunting. Now one of your pets, the 7mm-08, would make the story just as good. I've never owned a 270, but if a 1980's Ruger 77 RL in good shape ever crosses my path, it may tempt me.
Outstanding report.
An elderly rancher in my area has been shooting the .270 for elk his entire elk hunting life. Right now he has killed 40 bulls with the .270 in his lifetime and I am not sure how many cows. But he proves year after year that .270 is plenty for elk.
He meant an old dude with NO hunting experience 😂
Love 270 and 30 06. I still think 6.5 cm is marginal for elk
Love the channel. Love the 270. Can’t wait to try mine on a big bull elk
The last elk I got was a spike bull. One shot through the heart with a .270 and it was a 5 hour job getting him off the mountain. I used a 130 grain Hornady Interlock. It works fine. A friend shot his moose with a 270. I believe it was another one shot kill.
I've shot over a half dozen moose with my .270, most made it less than 40 yards and died to a single shot. The ones that gave opportunity for a follow up shot all died on the spot. I personally consider it slightly more versatile than the 06', as it covers a wider range of hunting without the need to change loads and re-zero.
I've shot the .270 Win for sixty years here and in Africa. 98 per cent one shot kills( I screwed up the other 2 percent). From ground hogs to grizzly, moose, caribou, white tails up to 2000 lb African eland, all went down real quick. I was very careful to follow the advice of Jack O'Connor and Finn Aagaard with very careful bullet placement and it worked like magic. I've owned three .270 rifles. My favorite is a 26 inch custom rifle that gives 3150 fps with a 140 grain Barnes copper boat tail bullet. The 270 Win has always been a 7mm magnum as
.277 cal. Is a 7.04 mm bullet. How about that that.
🤠 I find it hilarious when someone with 10 to 15 years of hunting experience and none with your particular cartridge is talking to someone like yourself (with 60 YEARS OF EXPERENCE with a cartridge) and is trying to tell them why it won't work on an animal that you've shot dozens of! 🤣 Here in the states, the popular animal to shoot is elk (which I have also killed with my 270 Winchester)! 🦌 Though I have killed dozens of critters with mine, my Grandfather killed more that 500 of them (mostly working on the firing lines, during the "Great Depression", near Yellowstone park) with his 270 Winchester! 😯 That gun also killed 3 record book moose, 1 record book bison, 1 record book sheep, 2 record book mountain goats, etc...! 🤫 So, to all you "expert ballistics table readers" out their that have ignored the "fact" that the 270 Winchester has been doing this for almost 100 years, take note! 🤔 You don't need a Big Magnum to kill big critters! 🥴 Instead, you need to know where you need to shoot the animal and be skilled enough to put the bullet where it is supposed to go! 🧐 It's not "Rocket Science" 🚀 (though I am a "Scientist"👨🔬) , it is about "Experience" 👴- something most of you (👶) don't have enough of (big enough sample size, statistical speaking) to speak about such matters with any certainty 😳 - unlike this gentleman here! 🤯
That was a great story Ron! I was on the edge of my seat watching, 🤣. I am a lifetime fan of the 270 and I believe as you do. You take the correct shot with the correct bullet and the 270 she'll do it! Thank you for the entertaining video. I enjoyed it very much!
Enjoyed this one, Ron.
Very nice! I love my .270 but it hammers my shoulder :)
can you add a muzzle brake?
I can't believe how much I have learned from this channel. THANK YOU!
Happy to hear that!
I appreciate the 270 content, I'm waiting on a 270 ackley build to come back. 24" 1 in 9 twist carbon 6 barrel on a rem 700 action.... can't wait
I love my .270 Win and it works well on antelope and deer. I’ve taken 3 bull elk with it. But I get within 100 yards and wait for a broadside shot with 150 gr. Nosler Partition. After 42 years with that rifle, I’m going to with the 6.5 PRC.
this past october i took my first bull with my 270, shooting barnes 130 gr ttsx, first shot was at 354, second at 365 and third was at 389, all three by themselves would have put the elk down in time, all heart/lung hits, i was able to recover 1 bullet just under the hide in the off side shank in the front leg. perfect expansion.i could have used a 338 lapua on a 325 wsm, but went with my 270 because i trust the rifle. and my ability to put the bullet where it needs to be, i shot the second and third time because the old rule on elk is if its on its feet send another round, i did stay away from the heavy leg/shoulder bones on the innie side and got total penetration with two of the three thru the ribs, theres not to much i would not hunt with my 270 in north america and most of africa, thanks for the video and keep postingf
You can't go wrong with Barnes....
I've done a ton of research on bullets for the .270 and in my conclusion, nosler accubonds, partition, or a copper bullets like a gmx or ttsx
This is one of the biggest reasons I respect you Ron and love your channel. Ethical hunting practices. "Hunt honest, shoot straight".
Well thanks Joe. I tried. I'm far from perfect, but I try.
I bought a .280 on our outfitters recommendation! first hunt Bison 2 Bison 2 shots! 155 yds. 110 yds. 160 grain! first shot actually dropped the bison although it did get up walk about 10 yds staggered and fell! second bison walk 10-15 yds. dropped!! The reason for the .280 was recommended was the ability to hunt anything in North America with confidence!