The real answer to fhis question is 10 of each. You can never have to many rifles. The thing about the '06 is... 180 @ 2820 fps or 125 @ 2700 fps with factory loads Do you feel like a .300 H&H Magnum or a 6.5 CM today? My whitetail loads are basically a 150 gr SP Spitzer loaded with M2 Ball replication powder recipe. Gives a very nice combination of effectiveness, damage and recoil (7mm-08ish). If I don't have time to load it I get it from Steinel that commercially loads it.
I own both, hunt with both, reload both, both are .30 cal, but I only hunt moose. Either will do the job quite well, and considering the 308 is much smaller than the 300WM, it is still a very potent caliber. I have never lost a moose with either one.
Your comment is awesome and needs to be seen more. When people have this caliber debates, they unintentionally make it sound like the animal will just shrug off the bullet wound, ignore the hunter and continue its life.
I have a .308, a 30-06, and a .300 win mag and when it comes to hunting the .300 win mag is going to drop big game where it stands more times than either of the other 2 calibers. I'm using the .300 win mag for big game without question everytime.
For a long range hunting cartridge, there's a pretty short list that can meet or exceed the 300 win mag. However, it is a cartridge for larger animals at longer ranges. The 308 is capable of taking the same size game, but it doesn't have the same reach.
Agreed, I have a .308 with a 3-9 scope on it for heavy timber close work and a 7mm rem mag with a 4-16 scope to reach out and touch elk with on open ground.
I use a 300 win mag and last year I shot one buck at 350 yards and the next 8 hours later at 10 ft straight down. Neither were tore up nor did they take a step. I stepped up from 308 the year before and I love it.
I'm lucky to have both. Got the 300 for Moose and the 308 for deer...the 300 has a longer barrel and is set up for long range (vortex viper 4x16) while the 308 is short barrel and I hunt short distance (2.5 × 10 elite 3500 bushnell). Both great performers. Both use copper bullets, both MOA, both tikkas, can't ask for more
I have the 30-06 and 300 wm in bolt actions and the 308 in a ar. I like the idea that all three use the same bullets, just have to have different brass. Helps keep things simple
To me it really comes down to how long of a barrel do you want to carry. 308 can perform well enough for its intended use under a 20” barrel and a .300 really needs a 22 or 24” barrel to get the full advantage of a magnum. IMO a 18” .308 is a slick little setup if you want to hunt suppressed and aren’t planning on shooting elk at 400+ yards. Obviously if you’re going on a trophy elk hunt you want all the range and power you’re capable of as a shooter.
A short lightweight 308 bolt action is like the modern day lever action brush gun. Ryan showed what trimming his barrel down on his 308 Tikka did…very little…especially if you hunt average ranges (like under 300 yards).
@@scotteger6271 with a heavier bullet and a high BC you can use a .308 out to 600yds effectively. 210g Berger works very well at longer hunting ranges. It out performs a lot of .300 WM cartridges.
@@1valg Sure, I run 210 grain Berger VLD loaded by HSM out of a 20" .308. I have killed elk and other large game. I used a chronograph to get a 10-shot average of my muzzle velocity. I entered that into a ballistics calculator and compared it to my buddy's DOPE shooting a standard 180-grain .300 WM. I had significantly more energy beyond 400 yards than he did.
Versatility is in the eyes of the beholder. If I could only have one gun and it had to be one of these two, it would be the win mag without a second thought.
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I love these comparison videos for the humor and videography. Please keep making them. With Ryan’s vast knowledge of cartridges and bullet/hand-loading, I’m shocked at your constant apples to oranges bullet:cartridge comparisons. Total mind bender.
As much as I love both the .300 win mag and the .308 that I have to go with the .308 due to cost of ammo and ease when it comes to recoil but we can't leave out the 35 Whelen which lies right in the middle of the 2. It may be called a poor man's magnum but you'll get a good feel for it after you shot it a few times and wonder why it's not obtained about more often
I have a 308 and had a few others over the years. I love my 30-06 carbine pump. My step up from that is 300 Weatherby for longshots but OH the recoil. It is now a 7mm Rem Mag. On the 308 base cartridge I prefer a 7mm08 but have been going more with my 260 Rem and AIs on it with various throat lengths. Just my 2 pennys
A .300Wby allows you to shoot a .300 WBY cartridge or a .300H&H out of it. That versatility and the 200-300fps increase in velocity sealed the deal for me. You can always find H&H off the shelf during the last 3 Ammo shortages. You can always find it in Africa or Alaska!!!
I have a 308 and a 300 WSM. Reason for the WSM is I thought it would have less wear and tear on my surgically repaired shoulder. Had I known, I would have just gone with the 300 WM. I am taking both with me in Dec when I go hog hunting...also hope to get a chance at an audad.
@fordfan09 the Howa Superlite with the carbon stock is spec'd ar 4 lb 9 oz. After taking the rail and brake off mine is close to that. I changed to talley one piece rings and ready to hunt it is right at 6 lb with a 30mm tube. A lighter scope would have kept it under 6.
I'm really digging this series so far. Next you guys should try some of the new fancy cartridges such as 6.8 Western, 6mm BR, 8.6 blackout and the PRC's.
Hasn't the 6 BR been around for a long time? But also yes! I'd love to see the 3 PRCs in a test. Would also love to see 6mm Creedmoor/.243 Win vs a 6.5mm.
@@FlabbyBro lol, no. I just meant that it endangers their satisfaction with the .308. I'm a .308 apologist, but the new cartridge heresy endangers my faith as it is 🤣
I think the final criteria when considering these two rounds is size/mass of the intended target and the range. The .308 Win. can be anemic at longer ranges and the .300 Win. Mag. can be overkill at shorter ranges. Both are great for their intended applications.
I agree, but I will say - I am absolutely loving my .308 for the hunting I do on a farm in Namibia. Have taken over 50 Gemsbok with the .308 using 168gr ELD-M at 2844fps! From 50m out to 500m (~550yds), I am 100% confident in this cartridge and bullet combination doing the job on the largest critters. I recently got a Gemsbok at 489m, it ran about 30 paces, turned and stood for a bit so I shot again and it dropped. Note* our environment is great for longer ranges (ignoring the extremely windy days) - high altitude (5500ft-7000ft). When I go down to the coast where we sit at >500ft my theoretical max range (bullet speed above 1800fps) comes down to ~550m, from ~700m..
I love my 300. Now it's a heavy gun with a huge brake and I hate carrying it. I have gotten used to shooting it and with the brake is similar to a lighter weight non braked 308.
Who else stores up more ammunition, than their own guns are worth, is also very wise person. Guns are only as good as the available ammunition, ammunition is as good as value gets because nothing else will give you the same bang for your bucks.
The fact .308 is being compared to .300win mag is already a win for the .308. That’s assurance that the design philosophy behind the .308 was effective
Wouldn't it be a better comparison between the 270 and the 300 win? I'm new to shooting and have a 308 and looking to go alil bigger. Been looking at 270 and 300 win.
@@robertcook6986 Here are some great comparisons: .308 vs 30-06 ( .308 typically ~100fps slower than factory 30-06, both 30cal, .308 is a short action, 30-06 is long action) 7mm08 vs .270 win (7mm08 is a .308 necked down to .284, .270win is a 30-06 necked down to .277, 7mm08 is generally 100fps slower than 270win, 7mm08 is short action while .270 is a long action) All 4 can be compared to each other respectfully, with the 30cal cartridges generally delivering more energy at normal hunting distances, as well as causing larger wound channels and dumping its energy more effectively thanks to the greater frontal diameter. .30cal cartridges tend to have a wider range of grain weights, often 150 grains to over 200grains. The necked down cartridges will deliver more energy at extended ranges and often have a greater sectional density causing deeper penetration, tend to fly flatter and be less effected by wind thanks to higher ballistic coefficients. Short action cartridges tend to result in lighter rifles and tend to be of more modern design, long action cartridges have more case capacity and when hand loaded, can be loaded hot to really have a power advantage over the short action cartridges. Of the 4, I dont consider any of them to be "magnum" cartridges and they are all comparable to each other. All 4 are capable of extreme accuracy to extended ranges. All 4 are capable enough to take any game animal in north America. .300 win mag is a magnum cartridge, and its kind of unfair to compare it to the others. Its essentially a modernized 30-06 with a larger case both in diameter and in length. It should be compared to 7rem mag, 338 win mag, 300 norma mag, 300 prc, 300wby, 300wsm, 300rum, .280ai, .28 nosler. I consider those to be in the same class as the 300 win mag. These cartridges are better suited for hunting dangerous game or very large game at extended distances. If you're in the market for something bigger than a .308, I recommend going to a "magnum class" cartridge as .270 wont be a very significant jump in power compared to a .308. Id get the 300win mag as its probably the most popular magnum cartridge used today. If you aren't hunting grizzlies or alaskan moose, you're .308 is probably more than sufficient to take whatever game your hunting unless you're shooting at it from extreme distances
The thing with the shootability is that it can be fixed with a break or a suppressor, but then again not having to have breaks or suppressors on has a load of benefits.
True, but you can also argue that for 308…can take 16ft/lbs and make it feel like 12ft/lbs or less with a brake or can on it as well. I think it’s fair to point out what they are without any modification or recoil reducing additions, because you could look at it as you need a brake for a 300 Win and not for a 308…but recoil is very subjective. I had a 300 Win in a Winchester XPR and honestly in that rifle it felt like less recoil than my older Remington 700 in 30-06, with stock and recoil pad design.
I had this discussion with my dad a few weeks ago. Basically, for your average hunters purposes, the non-magnum calibers will do anything the magnum calibers will do, if you hit your quarry in the vital zones. They will be just as dead. But where the magnum calibers come in handy (especially when you're shooting running game on a driven hunt, which is very common in Europe where I live), is when you deliver a bad shot. Say your lead is not good enough, and you hit a deer in the gut or (God forbid) the haunches, that magnum caliber is going to cause a much more devastating wound, which will increase your chances of recovery. All of this is not very applicable for most hunters, but having shot a lot of running game on driven hunts, some of which have been gut shots, I can attest to the fact that the magnum calibers with their 5500-6000J of muzzle energy, are more forgiving of bad shots than the standard 3500-4000J calibers like .308 or .30-06.
The guys at Weatherby talk about this very idea. The one made a bad shot on a game animal, don’t remember what it was, with a 30-378 Wby with a Hammer bullet…the game animal did die and rather quickly and they attributed that to just the sheer energy that cartridge has combined with how that bullet works to kill animals. They didn’t advise doing what happened to their guy, but the point was it did work, even on a bad shot.
I really try to follow the "to each his own" approach, but what you described just gives me chills from an ethical perspective. I know it's the way folks do things in Europe, but to me "driven hunt" is an oxymoron. I guess that's why ethics is such a personal subject. Blazing away at running deer and accepting gut shots as just part of the game seems so foreign as a concept (no pun intended). I teach hunter education here in the US, and our focus with the students is on shot selection specifically for the purpose of clean, humane, one-shot kills. I guess that's just the difference in the cultures. A driven hunt is just not a choice I could make.
@@evanwindom Boar and deer will die from gut shots as well, it just takes longer. Also, there is a good chance that another hunter will get a shot at the same game, given the positioning of shooters during a drive. Last but not least, there are usually an excess of drivers and dogs to locate wounded game after a drive. Very rarely is wounded game not found.
I've got 308s, 30/06s, and 300 win mags. All are different insofar as stocks, barrel lengths and contours. As Carlos Hathcock said, different guns for different shots.
I have 2 Tikka T3X lites, one in 30-06 (168gr Nosler accubond long range) and a 300 win mag (200gr terminal ascent) and they recoil almost the same. They’re both rocking Bushnell engage scopes so they weigh almost identical. Those looking for a 30 cal rifle, if you end up buying a Tikka 30-06, it recoils the same as a 300 give or take a few pounds of recoil, from my experience.
Lol, my last rifle purchase was a heavily discounted Kimber hunter in 30-06. It’s a glorious piece of equipment. I can’t imagine not buying a 30-06 today if you’re going elk hunting and don’t care for magnum recoil.
There’s a reason they don’t. The 270 wins hands down. It’s no contest. Similar recoil with drastically increased performance. I would do the 270 with a 1-8 twist to get even better performance.
@@Simon-talks cartridges like the 270 have stuck to factory twist rates to not over spin high speed light weight loads. I think some of the bullets could conceivably come apart in flight of spun too quickly. I end up pulling all my barrels anyway. But it would be cool. If Tikka put out a fluted 22” 1-8 270 it would be hard to say no to.
I know Ryan loves his Barnes as do I. But has he tried the hammer hunter bullets or cutting edge bullets for a all copper comparison? I think that would be a good video!
I'm persuaded that the various 30 caliber cartridges all do the same thing, but at different ranges. The bigger cartridges just move the performance window - both near and far ranges - further away. Yeah, the 308 can't go out as far as the 300, but if I shoot a deer at 50 yards with my 308 it won't turn into gelatin, lol.
My vote is still for the .308 over the .300 or -06 for one simple fact. The abundance and availability of the .308 in a SHTF situation. The -06 is a great round, the .300 Win-Mag is better for sheer knockdown power, but there will ALWAYS be .308 ammo available somewhere. And lastly, its important to remember that anything you can kill with the other two rounds you can also kill with the .308
Can’t kill something behind level 4 plates with 06/308, you’ll need 300wm. Bringing up 30-06 is important, Idt it would’ve won any categories. Since we aren’t limited to one gun, having a 308 (ar10) and a 300wm and just skipping 30-06 , seems like the best option.
Well since this was the 308 vs 300 win mag, y’all going to do 708 vs 7 mag? Then the 300 win mag vs 7 mag and follow that with 708 vs 308……then the 338 federal vs 358 Winchester lol I got all kinds of ideas lol love this series y’all are doing and great job!
I own rifles in 308, and 300 win mag. But also have a Remington model four cambered in 30-06 which dropped a 800 lbs. Maine moose at 200 yards . I’ll stick with my 30-06. But, this show was entertaining, keep up the good work.
Depends on if you want both, either will take care of anything in North America. 308 is a bit lackluster for the bigger stuff and the mag is a bit large for all the smaller stuff. Can you afford both? Then get both and a few dozen others for good measure, if you can’t afford them or just a one rifle type of person then you do you. I’m more of a one or three of everything kind of person, never know what I’m going to use so I just get them all ready for season.
Many of the deer hunters I know have never shot an animal beyond 200 yards. For them, even a 308 is overkill since an intermediate cartridge like the 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, or even the 30-30 with the right loads would do the job just fine. Years ago, a friend was convinced by his son to sell his trusty BAR in 270 Win and buy a bolt-action in 7mm Rem Mag. The reason was "maybe I'll hunt out West some day." He hated the extra recoil and blast of his new rifle. When I asked him his longest shot on an animal in his 40 years of hunting, he said "150 yards".
Ya that was a terrible idea, however just buying another rifle is always a good call. Also 7rem mag in a good rifle is a pleasure to shoot, my 7rem mag Weatherby is softer shooting then my 270win savage. Granted the 7 is a newer rifle and the 270 is over 20 years old and the pad had gotten hard, changed to a new limbsaver and now I can shoot both all day when my wallet allows it.
@@jaydunbar7538 Several other parts of the issue were that he was over 60 (recoil hurts more as we age), his old 270 in a Browning Automatic Rifle had very mild recoil, and he made the mistake of buying a lightweight "mountain rifle".. The new rifle had roughly double the recoil of anything he had ever shot before. Sadly, my friend was very disappointed with his "dream rifle" and didn't like shooting it. It was by far the most expensive rifle/scope setup he had ever purchased too (the scope was a Kahles). This was almost 20 years ago, when spending a lot on a scope was not as common.
@jaydunbar7538 Unfortunately, he sold his old rifle and scope to help pay for the new one. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to get the new scope. I lost track of him after he retired, so I don't know what he ended up doing.
Question. Is raw power needed with modern bullet designs? When these legacy calibers were created you really only had cup and core. Now with copper and bonded pure power even needed?
If you factor in hand loading the 300 Win Mag wins versatility. You can use H4895 to load way down for real light loads. Then you can turn the thing all the way up to hot rod level with the same, and other, powders.
True and the whole 30 cal bullet pallet becomes available if you really want to do that with a 300 Win. Shooting really light bullets with that much powder might make a bit of a barrel burner but it’s also something you probably wouldn’t always do, maybe for a specific task. They’re both great options.
Seriously the best video you guys have done.. excellent videography.. love the the longer videos. I never miss an episode.. just keep going back to this. Everything we know it's just y'all confirming for us garage talk
I think it’s fair to say that the fact that there is even a comparison between a short action 30 cal and a magnum 30 cal is a testament to the 308 being the pound for pound winner between these two that are in two different weight classes metaphorically of course
Given the grading, could have told you the outcome before the start of the video. Once you compare the 308 to the 30-06, the 300 mag won’t win any categories the 30-06 didn’t, it just has more margin where it does win. A more interesting comparison might be 300 win mag to some other magnum (7mm rem). Something like a 6.5 PRC, 6.8 western or 7mm PRC could be interesting comparisons to the 300 win mag
I think a lot of this comes down to application. If distance is an issue than the .300 WinMag is going to be just a bit flatter and perhaps a little less subject to windage than the .308. So does your specific application call for a heavier round? If not then why take the availability hit? All in all a very well reasoned examination. Thanks for the video.
To each their own on this one but I do hunt with a 308 mostly for deer but I did get a 300 wm for certain hunting situations. For the most part I bought it for a elk hunt this fall however when I get back home to Pennsylvania the gun will be used for our bear rifle season where the extra horse power will help in bringing down bear quickly. Also the gun will see use during deer season especially when I’m hunting thicker cover or shooting over 200 yards. Other than that I’ll be carrying my 308 for deer drives since mine is a lever action and I can get more lead down range
not knowing too much about ballistics, I totally thought the .300 copper bullet might go all the way through since the .308 copper went 34 inches in. And, previously, the .300 lead bullet had went double what the .308 lead bullet went. So I am wondering about this, obviously the .300 is more powerful. What was it about the combination of the gel and the copper bullet? That made the two calibers go almost the same length inside of the gel?
I have long abbandoned the .308 for my 6.5 Creedmoor for regular game ... deer and such. Heck, the Swedes hunt moose with their fantastic 6.5x55. For domestic dangerous game such as bears I would definitely go with some .30 cal magnum caliber. My dad shot .300 Weatherby Mag. now there is shoulder kicker ...
Plus the .308 is and has been a military standard for many, many decades. Which adds to availability. familiarity, reliability, adaptability, and affordability. Many Americans have gone to battle with this round and are glad to rely on it when they get home.
1:00 Especially with how boomy that room is, for future shoots there I hope y'all consider lav mics and dropping rugs/moving blankets on the floor first. Love the new style!
I picked up a ruger American 308 the other day and it shoots moa with those 150gr federal rounds. I wont be shooting passed 200yds so it should be fine. I just hope my AR10 likes those bullets also
If I were hunting bears I would consider the expense of 300 Win Mag, but I'm not. So I'll stick with my .308 because I can find the ammo anywhere, it cost less so I can spend more time at the range working on my skills. I'm on a fixed budget also, so cost is very important to me. Thanks for the video, very informative.
.300 Win Mag certainly holds the energy farther. .308 is easier to shoot, by far. And you can find so many bullets anywhere. I really like .308 but I have recently got a 7 mm PRC, which has more recoil than a .308 but less than a .300 WM. So, shootability of a 308 and ballistic performance closer to .300 WM. Or a 7 mm RM that performs better.
30-06 is still the cartridge that all others are compared to. 308 just doesn’t have enough case capacity for bullets heavier than 180 grains. I’ve got several 308’s but no 30-06 right now BUT, i do have a tried and true 300 H&H. The H&H is known for handling lighter bullets better than the other, newer 300 big blasters. I can load it down to 308/30-06 velocities with 150 and 165 grain bullets , send a 125 grainer screaming down range at 3500 fps or make it do anything the 300 Win Mag will do with bullets from 180 to 220 grains. That’s pretty versatile. The big downsides (for some) are the long action and long barrel. Mine is a 1951 Remington 721 BDL Deluxe with a 26” barrel. With modern powders I think a 24” would be sufficient. The big downside for all, especially for non hand loaders is cost. Ouch! Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
Incase people have forgotten the 308 came from 30.06 and the 270 but depending on barrel flat range belongs to the 270 next 25.06 243 I never shot the other calibers thanks for video
Not sure if I missed something, but the 308 is a control feed, if I'm not mistaken, and you push fed the ammo. Or am I wrong? Just wondering, since I thought you can cause damage that way. Thank you
Not really, 7prc wins hands down. Sure it doesn’t have 60 factory loadings, but it has very tailored and effective loadings that make it a none issue. No having to try a dozen factory loads to find one that shoots, they will all shoot fantastic so grab the one for the task at hand and send it.
Hate to break it to you I stacked that in 300 win mag as well as in 308. I keep it lower in 338 win mag and the same in 375 rugger I never bought the 30/06 went to the 300 win mag. Stack it deep and be prepared
Or be like me and have a 22-250, 5.56 bolt action, 7.62x39 bolt action (cheap ammo reasons), .308, .270, 30-06 & a 300 Winchester Magnum… I like a variety and with that comes options for fun and the intended purpose/application. 🙌
My only issue with these comparisons is the second two categories. You can basically lump them into one. If the cartridge is more common and popular it's going to have more offerings, more bullet styles, and more variety. It's just kind of pointless to have them separate, and sort of gives unnecessary points that skew the overall "results".
Its a real consideration when picking a rifle. Do you want to be limited to fewer commercial cartidges or wreak the benefits of a more popular cartidge?
@@madmod I'm not arguing that it's a real consideration, I'm arguing that the two categories can be one category. They base the versatility of the cartridge on how many different loadings and weights there are, exc, but that always just corresponds to how popular it is and how accessible.
You can load up the 308 you just have to be cognizant of range…a heavy bullet in that at shorter distances makes a pretty good option for those that hunt thicker woods/brush…kind of like how a 45-70 works without the diameter. Same could be said for the 300 Win but generally they come with much longer barrels, so makes those types of applications more difficult. Both great cartridges either way
The 308 is a good training gun but for hunting the 300 win mag is needed. You can hunt any animal at any distance! The army has the 308 for trading and 300 win mag for sniping
They buy factory available ammo and that one in a 308 might be harder to find…Ryan mentioned this in one of the previous cartridge comparisons, I think it was when they did 308 vs 30-06
Both. Nobody wants to shoot huge volumes at the range with an overbore belted magnum. Enter the 308WIN training rifle. If you want to improve your marksmanship skills to improve your performance with your magnum hunting rifle, nothing beats a 308WIN training rifle that you can hose volumes of lead out of at the range.
Both are great cartridges. But, at the end of the day, the most important factors are how well you can shoot with your rifle IN THE FIELD, and that you can get close enough to hit the vitals every time you fire at a game animal. For many, the recoil from the .300 Win Mag is harder to control than the .308, may induce flinching etc. and, as has been mentioned, is harder on the shoulder and wallet when it comes to practice time at the range. All this affects accuracy. I really wish the reviewers had taken the rifles to the range and shot several groups with both rifles in simulated field conditions to look at real world accuracy; my guess would be the .308 would win that battle too at reasonable ranges, say out to 300 yards, bearing in mind that 95% of game in North America is taken at 200 yards or less... Anyway, both cartridges will clearly do the job on Elk, Moose and any other big game in North America provided you are within ethical distances of the game and can shoot your chosen rifle accurately enough to get the job done. Those who like to take a long poke at game animals, and choose the 300 Win Mag for that reason, should read Boone and Crockett's position statement on long range hunting (summary - it's not considered "fair chase") and any animal taken in this way would not be eligible for inclusion in their record books. www.boone-crockett.org/bc-position-statement-long-range-shooting
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I've used a 30-06 for 47 years, nothing here changes my decision. Great video.
Here's to another 47!
That's called splitting the difference, great cartridge!
The real answer to fhis question is 10 of each. You can never have to many rifles.
The thing about the '06 is...
180 @ 2820 fps or 125 @ 2700 fps with factory loads
Do you feel like a .300 H&H Magnum or a 6.5 CM today?
My whitetail loads are basically a 150 gr SP Spitzer loaded with M2 Ball replication powder recipe. Gives a very nice combination of effectiveness, damage and recoil (7mm-08ish). If I don't have time to load it I get it from Steinel that commercially loads it.
For what though? And what weight projectiles do you use?
That makes a difference.
@@shanerorko8076 what difference?
I own both, hunt with both, reload both, both are .30 cal, but I only hunt moose. Either will do the job quite well, and considering the 308 is much smaller than the 300WM, it is still a very potent caliber. I have never lost a moose with either one.
Your comment is awesome and needs to be seen more. When people have this caliber debates, they unintentionally make it sound like the animal will just shrug off the bullet wound, ignore the hunter and continue its life.
What bullet do you use for moose?
@@bradlock55 180 gr Nosler Partition for the 300 WM and 165 gr Speer BTSP for the 308 Win.
@@reloadnorth7722 thank you sir
how about a 7mm rem mag for moose? im looking for a good all around cartridge
I have a .308, a 30-06, and a .300 win mag and when it comes to hunting the .300 win mag is going to drop big game where it stands more times than either of the other 2 calibers. I'm using the .300 win mag for big game without question everytime.
You must like destroyed meat.
For a long range hunting cartridge, there's a pretty short list that can meet or exceed the 300 win mag. However, it is a cartridge for larger animals at longer ranges. The 308 is capable of taking the same size game, but it doesn't have the same reach.
Agreed, I have a .308 with a 3-9 scope on it for heavy timber close work and a 7mm rem mag with a 4-16 scope to reach out and touch elk with on open ground.
Depends on the bullet and ballistics. I shoot at 210g bullet from my .308 and have more energy at 500yds than some 180g .300WM
"capable" well if you squint and dont have high standards, then maybe....
@Leatherneck3376 how fast are you able to push those 210s with 308?
@@chanoleyva8584 hes gotta barely faster than 2500fps on a hot load. Which def does not out do a 300 win mag
I can confirm that having BOTH is great and the best option.
I use a 300 win mag and last year I shot one buck at 350 yards and the next 8 hours later at 10 ft straight down. Neither were tore up nor did they take a step. I stepped up from 308 the year before and I love it.
I'm lucky to have both. Got the 300 for Moose and the 308 for deer...the 300 has a longer barrel and is set up for long range (vortex viper 4x16) while the 308 is short barrel and I hunt short distance (2.5 × 10 elite 3500 bushnell). Both great performers. Both use copper bullets, both MOA, both tikkas, can't ask for more
I decided to go with 30-06
I have the 30-06 and 300 wm in bolt actions and the 308 in a ar. I like the idea that all three use the same bullets, just have to have different brass. Helps keep things simple
To me it really comes down to how long of a barrel do you want to carry. 308 can perform well enough for its intended use under a 20” barrel and a .300 really needs a 22 or 24” barrel to get the full advantage of a magnum. IMO a 18” .308 is a slick little setup if you want to hunt suppressed and aren’t planning on shooting elk at 400+ yards. Obviously if you’re going on a trophy elk hunt you want all the range and power you’re capable of as a shooter.
A short lightweight 308 bolt action is like the modern day lever action brush gun. Ryan showed what trimming his barrel down on his 308 Tikka did…very little…especially if you hunt average ranges (like under 300 yards).
@@scotteger6271 with a heavier bullet and a high BC you can use a .308 out to 600yds effectively. 210g Berger works very well at longer hunting ranges. It out performs a lot of .300 WM cartridges.
@@Leatherneck3376 Can you explain that in detail?
@@1valg Sure, I run 210 grain Berger VLD loaded by HSM out of a 20" .308. I have killed elk and other large game. I used a chronograph to get a 10-shot average of my muzzle velocity. I entered that into a ballistics calculator and compared it to my buddy's DOPE shooting a standard 180-grain .300 WM. I had significantly more energy beyond 400 yards than he did.
Huge copper projectile fan myself. Have really liked the Hornady GMX from my .270win, very solid bullet at 130gr. Great results on game as well.
Versatility is in the eyes of the beholder. If I could only have one gun and it had to be one of these two, it would be the win mag without a second thought.
Its a hard topic for me. If i could only have one, I'd actually go for a 3006. If I could only have two I'd go 308 and 300 wm.
What if you had the option to just have all? That’s the option I really like
🕵️♂️ I Love My 30-06, But My 270 Winchester Even More! At "Sensible Hunting Ranges" These 2 Classic Cartridges - Loaded With a "Good Hunting Bullet" - Are All You Need! NO MAGNUM IS NECESSARY!!! 🥳
I love these comparison videos for the humor and videography. Please keep making them.
With Ryan’s vast knowledge of cartridges and bullet/hand-loading, I’m shocked at your constant apples to oranges bullet:cartridge comparisons. Total mind bender.
As much as I love both the .300 win mag and the .308 that I have to go with the .308 due to cost of ammo and ease when it comes to recoil but we can't leave out the 35 Whelen which lies right in the middle of the 2. It may be called a poor man's magnum but you'll get a good feel for it after you shot it a few times and wonder why it's not obtained about more often
I have a 308 and had a few others over the years. I love my 30-06 carbine pump. My step up from that is 300 Weatherby for longshots but OH the recoil. It is now a 7mm Rem Mag. On the 308 base cartridge I prefer a 7mm08 but have been going more with my 260 Rem and AIs on it with various throat lengths. Just my 2 pennys
always love the friendly trash talk, Vortex guys!
It’s about time you did the 300 win mag. I’ve been waiting and waiting and waiting. Thanks for the great shows.
A .300Wby allows you to shoot a .300 WBY cartridge or a .300H&H out of it. That versatility and the 200-300fps increase in velocity sealed the deal for me. You can always find H&H off the shelf during the last 3 Ammo shortages. You can always find it in Africa or Alaska!!!
I have a 308 and a 300 WSM. Reason for the WSM is I thought it would have less wear and tear on my surgically repaired shoulder. Had I known, I would have just gone with the 300 WM. I am taking both with me in Dec when I go hog hunting...also hope to get a chance at an audad.
Split the difference… 3006.
I totally agree.
My respect for how you guys don't flinch a bit when you shoot the rifles!
Mark has been quoted as having that dad strength 😅
I have both (and then some). It would be a boring world if we only had one calibre. Thanks for sharing!
EXACTLY!
A 4.5 lb .308 is one of the best mountain setups available.
That shit would hurt. Thank God most only need one shot.
What model is 4.5 lbs ?!
@fordfan09 the Howa Superlite with the carbon stock is spec'd ar 4 lb 9 oz. After taking the rail and brake off mine is close to that. I changed to talley one piece rings and ready to hunt it is right at 6 lb with a 30mm tube. A lighter scope would have kept it under 6.
I'm really digging this series so far. Next you guys should try some of the new fancy cartridges such as 6.8 Western, 6mm BR, 8.6 blackout and the PRC's.
It’s a trap!
@@corvinking4996 ha, did you report it?
Hasn't the 6 BR been around for a long time? But also yes! I'd love to see the 3 PRCs in a test. Would also love to see 6mm Creedmoor/.243 Win vs a 6.5mm.
@@FlabbyBro lol, no. I just meant that it endangers their satisfaction with the .308. I'm a .308 apologist, but the new cartridge heresy endangers my faith as it is 🤣
@@corvinking4996 ah, I thought you meant the spam comment lol.
Great video! I’ve been a huge copper bullet fan since 2008.
I like the fun series the Vortex team is doing. Keep it up!
I think the final criteria when considering these two rounds is size/mass of the intended target and the range. The .308 Win. can be anemic at longer ranges and the .300 Win. Mag. can be overkill at shorter ranges. Both are great for their intended applications.
300 yard deer, vs 500 yard elk. I agree with your statement.
I agree, but I will say - I am absolutely loving my .308 for the hunting I do on a farm in Namibia. Have taken over 50 Gemsbok with the .308 using 168gr ELD-M at 2844fps! From 50m out to 500m (~550yds), I am 100% confident in this cartridge and bullet combination doing the job on the largest critters. I recently got a Gemsbok at 489m, it ran about 30 paces, turned and stood for a bit so I shot again and it dropped.
Note* our environment is great for longer ranges (ignoring the extremely windy days) - high altitude (5500ft-7000ft). When I go down to the coast where we sit at >500ft my theoretical max range (bullet speed above 1800fps) comes down to ~550m, from ~700m..
I love my 300. Now it's a heavy gun with a huge brake and I hate carrying it. I have gotten used to shooting it and with the brake is similar to a lighter weight non braked 308.
Who else stores up more ammunition, than their own guns are worth, is also very wise person. Guns are only as good as the available ammunition, ammunition is as good as value gets because nothing else will give you the same bang for your bucks.
The fact .308 is being compared to .300win mag is already a win for the .308. That’s assurance that the design philosophy behind the .308 was effective
Wouldn't it be a better comparison between the 270 and the 300 win? I'm new to shooting and have a 308 and looking to go alil bigger. Been looking at 270 and 300 win.
@@robertcook6986 Here are some great comparisons:
.308 vs 30-06 ( .308 typically ~100fps slower than factory 30-06, both 30cal, .308 is a short action, 30-06 is long action)
7mm08 vs .270 win (7mm08 is a .308 necked down to .284, .270win is a 30-06 necked down to .277, 7mm08 is generally 100fps slower than 270win, 7mm08 is short action while .270 is a long action)
All 4 can be compared to each other respectfully, with the 30cal cartridges generally delivering more energy at normal hunting distances, as well as causing larger wound channels and dumping its energy more effectively thanks to the greater frontal diameter. .30cal cartridges tend to have a wider range of grain weights, often 150 grains to over 200grains. The necked down cartridges will deliver more energy at extended ranges and often have a greater sectional density causing deeper penetration, tend to fly flatter and be less effected by wind thanks to higher ballistic coefficients. Short action cartridges tend to result in lighter rifles and tend to be of more modern design, long action cartridges have more case capacity and when hand loaded, can be loaded hot to really have a power advantage over the short action cartridges.
Of the 4, I dont consider any of them to be "magnum" cartridges and they are all comparable to each other.
All 4 are capable of extreme accuracy to extended ranges. All 4 are capable enough to take any game animal in north America.
.300 win mag is a magnum cartridge, and its kind of unfair to compare it to the others. Its essentially a modernized 30-06 with a larger case both in diameter and in length. It should be compared to 7rem mag, 338 win mag, 300 norma mag, 300 prc, 300wby, 300wsm, 300rum, .280ai, .28 nosler. I consider those to be in the same class as the 300 win mag.
These cartridges are better suited for hunting dangerous game or very large game at extended distances.
If you're in the market for something bigger than a .308, I recommend going to a "magnum class" cartridge as .270 wont be a very significant jump in power compared to a .308. Id get the 300win mag as its probably the most popular magnum cartridge used today. If you aren't hunting grizzlies or alaskan moose, you're .308 is probably more than sufficient to take whatever game your hunting unless you're shooting at it from extreme distances
The thing with the shootability is that it can be fixed with a break or a suppressor, but then again not having to have breaks or suppressors on has a load of benefits.
True, but you can also argue that for 308…can take 16ft/lbs and make it feel like 12ft/lbs or less with a brake or can on it as well. I think it’s fair to point out what they are without any modification or recoil reducing additions, because you could look at it as you need a brake for a 300 Win and not for a 308…but recoil is very subjective. I had a 300 Win in a Winchester XPR and honestly in that rifle it felt like less recoil than my older Remington 700 in 30-06, with stock and recoil pad design.
I had this discussion with my dad a few weeks ago. Basically, for your average hunters purposes, the non-magnum calibers will do anything the magnum calibers will do, if you hit your quarry in the vital zones. They will be just as dead. But where the magnum calibers come in handy (especially when you're shooting running game on a driven hunt, which is very common in Europe where I live), is when you deliver a bad shot. Say your lead is not good enough, and you hit a deer in the gut or (God forbid) the haunches, that magnum caliber is going to cause a much more devastating wound, which will increase your chances of recovery. All of this is not very applicable for most hunters, but having shot a lot of running game on driven hunts, some of which have been gut shots, I can attest to the fact that the magnum calibers with their 5500-6000J of muzzle energy, are more forgiving of bad shots than the standard 3500-4000J calibers like .308 or .30-06.
The guys at Weatherby talk about this very idea. The one made a bad shot on a game animal, don’t remember what it was, with a 30-378 Wby with a Hammer bullet…the game animal did die and rather quickly and they attributed that to just the sheer energy that cartridge has combined with how that bullet works to kill animals. They didn’t advise doing what happened to their guy, but the point was it did work, even on a bad shot.
I really try to follow the "to each his own" approach, but what you described just gives me chills from an ethical perspective. I know it's the way folks do things in Europe, but to me "driven hunt" is an oxymoron. I guess that's why ethics is such a personal subject. Blazing away at running deer and accepting gut shots as just part of the game seems so foreign as a concept (no pun intended). I teach hunter education here in the US, and our focus with the students is on shot selection specifically for the purpose of clean, humane, one-shot kills. I guess that's just the difference in the cultures. A driven hunt is just not a choice I could make.
@@evanwindom Boar and deer will die from gut shots as well, it just takes longer. Also, there is a good chance that another hunter will get a shot at the same game, given the positioning of shooters during a drive. Last but not least, there are usually an excess of drivers and dogs to locate wounded game after a drive. Very rarely is wounded game not found.
@@MasterFatness Thanks for the additional information. It's still not something I would choose. I'm a big believer in fair chase.
Need? Needs are sold at grocery stores. I want a 300 Mag and a 308!!
I've got 308s, 30/06s, and 300 win mags. All are different insofar as stocks, barrel lengths and contours. As Carlos Hathcock said, different guns for different shots.
300 BO, 30-30, 300 Savage, 308 win, 30-06, 300 WSM, 300WM, 300 PRC, 30Nosler, 300 RUM, 300 Weatherby… collect them all. 🇺🇸
Amen brother
I have 2 Tikka T3X lites, one in 30-06 (168gr Nosler accubond long range) and a 300 win mag (200gr terminal ascent) and they recoil almost the same. They’re both rocking Bushnell engage scopes so they weigh almost identical. Those looking for a 30 cal rifle, if you end up buying a Tikka 30-06, it recoils the same as a 300 give or take a few pounds of recoil, from my experience.
Thanks, I was recently gifted a tikka t3 300 and was a bit worried about that for first time hunting. Just gotta hit the range
I would love to see the comparative with the winmag vs the 308 Norma Mag, which I have. I haven’t been able to justify buying the 300.
I'm definitely going with the 30-06
It’s such a nice happy medium. I have 3 of them lol
Can’t imagine buying a 30-06 today
Yes it’s like splitting the difference.
This only proves the 30-06 is the way
Lol, my last rifle purchase was a heavily discounted Kimber hunter in 30-06. It’s a glorious piece of equipment. I can’t imagine not buying a 30-06 today if you’re going elk hunting and don’t care for magnum recoil.
I would love to see the 308 vs 270
Be a better comparison than a .300 win mag and a .308😂
There’s a reason they don’t. The 270 wins hands down. It’s no contest. Similar recoil with drastically increased performance. I would do the 270 with a 1-8 twist to get even better performance.
@@wesleyturner1979 I really wish more companies would produce more 1-8 factory barrels
@@Simon-talks cartridges like the 270 have stuck to factory twist rates to not over spin high speed light weight loads. I think some of the bullets could conceivably come apart in flight of spun too quickly. I end up pulling all my barrels anyway. But it would be cool. If Tikka put out a fluted 22” 1-8 270 it would be hard to say no to.
@@wesleyturner1979shooting a 130 grain from a .308 is pretty fantastic and actually outperforms the 270 inside of 250 yards
I'd love to see a 45-70 vs 450 bushmaster video
I know Ryan loves his Barnes as do I. But has he tried the hammer hunter bullets or cutting edge bullets for a all copper comparison? I think that would be a good video!
I'm persuaded that the various 30 caliber cartridges all do the same thing, but at different ranges. The bigger cartridges just move the performance window - both near and far ranges - further away. Yeah, the 308 can't go out as far as the 300, but if I shoot a deer at 50 yards with my 308 it won't turn into gelatin, lol.
Yes. Very well put!
My vote is still for the .308 over the .300 or -06 for one simple fact. The abundance and availability of the .308 in a SHTF situation. The -06 is a great round, the .300 Win-Mag is better for sheer knockdown power, but there will ALWAYS be .308 ammo available somewhere. And lastly, its important to remember that anything you can kill with the other two rounds you can also kill with the .308
Can’t kill something behind level 4 plates with 06/308, you’ll need 300wm.
Bringing up 30-06 is important, Idt it would’ve won any categories.
Since we aren’t limited to one gun, having a 308 (ar10) and a 300wm and just skipping 30-06 , seems like the best option.
#10MinuteTalk 6.5-300 Weatherby or even a battle/comparison of the top 6.5 chambers? Y’all are killin it (no pun intended)! Keep it up!
Well since this was the 308 vs 300 win mag, y’all going to do 708 vs 7 mag? Then the 300 win mag vs 7 mag and follow that with 708 vs 308……then the 338 federal vs 358 Winchester lol I got all kinds of ideas lol love this series y’all are doing and great job!
7mm mag sux
I own rifles in 308, and 300 win mag. But also have a Remington model four cambered in 30-06 which dropped a 800 lbs. Maine moose at 200 yards . I’ll stick with my 30-06. But, this show was entertaining, keep up the good work.
Depends on if you want both, either will take care of anything in North America. 308 is a bit lackluster for the bigger stuff and the mag is a bit large for all the smaller stuff. Can you afford both? Then get both and a few dozen others for good measure, if you can’t afford them or just a one rifle type of person then you do you.
I’m more of a one or three of everything kind of person, never know what I’m going to use so I just get them all ready for season.
Many of the deer hunters I know have never shot an animal beyond 200 yards. For them, even a 308 is overkill since an intermediate cartridge like the 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, or even the 30-30 with the right loads would do the job just fine. Years ago, a friend was convinced by his son to sell his trusty BAR in 270 Win and buy a bolt-action in 7mm Rem Mag. The reason was "maybe I'll hunt out West some day." He hated the extra recoil and blast of his new rifle. When I asked him his longest shot on an animal in his 40 years of hunting, he said "150 yards".
Ya that was a terrible idea, however just buying another rifle is always a good call. Also 7rem mag in a good rifle is a pleasure to shoot, my 7rem mag Weatherby is softer shooting then my 270win savage. Granted the 7 is a newer rifle and the 270 is over 20 years old and the pad had gotten hard, changed to a new limbsaver and now I can shoot both all day when my wallet allows it.
@@jaydunbar7538 Several other parts of the issue were that he was over 60 (recoil hurts more as we age), his old 270 in a Browning Automatic Rifle had very mild recoil, and he made the mistake of buying a lightweight "mountain rifle".. The new rifle had roughly double the recoil of anything he had ever shot before. Sadly, my friend was very disappointed with his "dream rifle" and didn't like shooting it. It was by far the most expensive rifle/scope setup he had ever purchased too (the scope was a Kahles). This was almost 20 years ago, when spending a lot on a scope was not as common.
@jaydunbar7538 Unfortunately, he sold his old rifle and scope to help pay for the new one. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to get the new scope. I lost track of him after he retired, so I don't know what he ended up doing.
@jfess1911 go track him down. You guys both have a good oll time.
It has been my experience that the suppressed rifle will pick up velocity with the can. Makes it even a little more unfair.
Question. Is raw power needed with modern bullet designs? When these legacy calibers were created you really only had cup and core. Now with copper and bonded pure power even needed?
Absolutely. If you want to shoot those new fangled monos at long range you need a very high initial velocity
If you factor in hand loading the 300 Win Mag wins versatility. You can use H4895 to load way down for real light loads. Then you can turn the thing all the way up to hot rod level with the same, and other, powders.
True and the whole 30 cal bullet pallet becomes available if you really want to do that with a 300 Win. Shooting really light bullets with that much powder might make a bit of a barrel burner but it’s also something you probably wouldn’t always do, maybe for a specific task. They’re both great options.
Love Sundays with Mark and Ryan.
Seriously the best video you guys have done.. excellent videography.. love the the longer videos. I never miss an episode.. just keep going back to this. Everything we know it's just y'all confirming for us garage talk
I'd love to see 212 eldx .30-06 vs 143 eldx 6.5 creedmoor!
I'm going either 30-06 or 308 however 300wsm doesn't sound that had either
I think it’s fair to say that the fact that there is even a comparison between a short action 30 cal and a magnum 30 cal is a testament to the 308 being the pound for pound winner between these two that are in two different weight classes metaphorically of course
You're not wrong!
Given the grading, could have told you the outcome before the start of the video. Once you compare the 308 to the 30-06, the 300 mag won’t win any categories the 30-06 didn’t, it just has more margin where it does win. A more interesting comparison might be 300 win mag to some other magnum (7mm rem). Something like a 6.5 PRC, 6.8 western or 7mm PRC could be interesting comparisons to the 300 win mag
I think a lot of this comes down to application. If distance is an issue than the .300 WinMag is going to be just a bit flatter and perhaps a little less subject to windage than the .308.
So does your specific application call for a heavier round? If not then why take the availability hit?
All in all a very well reasoned examination. Thanks for the video.
To each their own on this one but I do hunt with a 308 mostly for deer but I did get a 300 wm for certain hunting situations. For the most part I bought it for a elk hunt this fall however when I get back home to Pennsylvania the gun will be used for our bear rifle season where the extra horse power will help in bringing down bear quickly. Also the gun will see use during deer season especially when I’m hunting thicker cover or shooting over 200 yards. Other than that I’ll be carrying my 308 for deer drives since mine is a lever action and I can get more lead down range
not knowing too much about ballistics, I totally thought the .300 copper bullet might go all the way through since the .308 copper went 34 inches in. And, previously, the .300 lead bullet had went double what the .308 lead bullet went. So I am wondering about this, obviously the .300 is more powerful. What was it about the combination of the gel and the copper bullet? That made the two calibers go almost the same length inside of the gel?
I have long abbandoned the .308 for my 6.5 Creedmoor for regular game ... deer and such. Heck, the Swedes hunt moose with their fantastic 6.5x55. For domestic dangerous game such as bears I would definitely go with some .30 cal magnum caliber. My dad shot .300 Weatherby Mag. now there is shoulder kicker ...
Both, of course!!
Plus the .308 is and has been a military standard for many, many decades. Which adds to availability. familiarity, reliability, adaptability, and affordability. Many Americans have gone to battle with this round and are glad to rely on it when they get home.
Wish they had chosen a high quality bullet like the Nosler AccuBond
Both 🍻 .308 for closer, .300 for further
😁 The "Quality Hunting Bullets" Have Changed The Game For Smaller Calibers! And, That Is A Good Thing! 🤗
Thanks! Much Appreciated! But at my age, I already have everything I Need! 😜
1:00 Especially with how boomy that room is, for future shoots there I hope y'all consider lav mics and dropping rugs/moving blankets on the floor first. Love the new style!
These 300 win mag rounds are watered down because those 180 gr rounds should be moving at 3300 fps plus vs 190 gr at 3150 fps from a 26" barrel.
I cant wait to see the blooper reel for these 😂
It would be fun to do 7mm08 vs 7rem mag
I picked up a ruger American 308 the other day and it shoots moa with those 150gr federal rounds. I wont be shooting passed 200yds so it should be fine. I just hope my AR10 likes those bullets also
If I were hunting bears I would consider the expense of 300 Win Mag, but I'm not. So I'll stick with my .308 because I can find the ammo anywhere, it cost less so I can spend more time at the range working on my skills. I'm on a fixed budget also, so cost is very important to me. Thanks for the video, very informative.
Love the format for these. Super fun
I OWN BOTH. .308 WIN FOR 0-600 YDS. 300 WIN MAG FOR THE REST OF THE WAY, 800-1400 YDS.
.300 Win Mag certainly holds the energy farther. .308 is easier to shoot, by far. And you can find so many bullets anywhere.
I really like .308 but I have recently got a 7 mm PRC, which has more recoil than a .308 but less than a .300 WM. So, shootability of a 308 and ballistic performance closer to .300 WM. Or a 7 mm RM that performs better.
Exactly!!
If you’re shooting copper bullets I must say the performance here kind of eclipsed the case for the .300 Win Mag in my mind
stupid question but how come these rounds are not penetrating completely through the gelatins if they're gelatin
30-06 is still the cartridge that all others are compared to. 308 just doesn’t have enough case capacity for bullets heavier than 180 grains. I’ve got several 308’s but no 30-06 right now BUT, i do have a tried and true 300 H&H. The H&H is known for handling lighter bullets better than the other, newer 300 big blasters. I can load it down to 308/30-06 velocities with 150 and 165 grain bullets , send a 125 grainer screaming down range at 3500 fps or make it do anything the 300 Win Mag will do with bullets from 180 to 220 grains. That’s pretty versatile. The big downsides (for some) are the long action and long barrel. Mine is a 1951 Remington 721 BDL Deluxe with a 26” barrel. With modern powders I think a 24” would be sufficient. The big downside for all, especially for non hand loaders is cost. Ouch! Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
Incase people have forgotten the 308 came from 30.06 and the 270 but depending on barrel flat range belongs to the 270 next 25.06 243 I never shot the other calibers thanks for video
Not sure if I missed something, but the 308 is a control feed, if I'm not mistaken, and you push fed the ammo. Or am I wrong? Just wondering, since I thought you can cause damage that way. Thank you
So the 350 legend in y'all's test penetrated more than the 300 Winchester Magnum. Have you looked at that with the 170 grain Hornady bullet?
Fair video. 308 does have a bunch going for it. I feel we already know the results tho.
7PRC vs 300 win mag would be interesting!🤘
Not really, 7prc wins hands down. Sure it doesn’t have 60 factory loadings, but it has very tailored and effective loadings that make it a none issue. No having to try a dozen factory loads to find one that shoots, they will all shoot fantastic so grab the one for the task at hand and send it.
7 PRC vs. 7-08 Rem, given on how they evaluated these two entrants, the 7-08 stands a decent chance.
@@jaydunbar75387 PRC would win shoot ability and drop and drift. 300 WM wins everything else
Would love to see a video on the. 300 short mag
.300 Short Mag vs .218 Bee 😂
Gotta go with the classic. 308!
The main reason the 308 cartridge was developed was for the M 14 for fully automatic gun fire less recoil. The 308 is a basically 30.06 short.
No one is stashing thousands of rounds of .300 Win Mag
Yeah, 110 grains per load, that drains a pound of powder real quick.
@@N.Californiabarely 60 rounds
who aint stashing thousands of rounds of 300wm
Hate to break it to you I stacked that in 300 win mag as well as in 308. I keep it lower in 338 win mag and the same in 375 rugger I never bought the 30/06 went to the 300 win mag. Stack it deep and be prepared
Or be like me and have a 22-250, 5.56 bolt action, 7.62x39 bolt action (cheap ammo reasons), .308, .270, 30-06 & a 300 Winchester Magnum… I like a variety and with that comes options for fun and the intended purpose/application. 🙌
My only issue with these comparisons is the second two categories. You can basically lump them into one. If the cartridge is more common and popular it's going to have more offerings, more bullet styles, and more variety. It's just kind of pointless to have them separate, and sort of gives unnecessary points that skew the overall "results".
Its a real consideration when picking a rifle. Do you want to be limited to fewer commercial cartidges or wreak the benefits of a more popular cartidge?
@@madmod I'm not arguing that it's a real consideration, I'm arguing that the two categories can be one category. They base the versatility of the cartridge on how many different loadings and weights there are, exc, but that always just corresponds to how popular it is and how accessible.
Can you compare the mighty 300 RUM to the miniscule 300 WM ?
You can always load up or down w/300 mag , not so much with the 308
You can load up the 308 you just have to be cognizant of range…a heavy bullet in that at shorter distances makes a pretty good option for those that hunt thicker woods/brush…kind of like how a 45-70 works without the diameter. Same could be said for the 300 Win but generally they come with much longer barrels, so makes those types of applications more difficult. Both great cartridges either way
The 308 is a good training gun but for hunting the 300 win mag is needed. You can hunt any animal at any distance! The army has the 308 for trading and 300 win mag for sniping
I wanted to see the .308 180 grain solid copper into the ballistics gel as a true comparison to the 300WM grain for grain.
They buy factory available ammo and that one in a 308 might be harder to find…Ryan mentioned this in one of the previous cartridge comparisons, I think it was when they did 308 vs 30-06
Used a .300 for 40 years, bought a kimber .308 for the weight, haven't picked up the .300 since
For a hand loader 30-06 for sure.. I own 308,30-06,and 300 all great. 338 win mag has been my pet lately and is going elk hunting this year
Both.
Nobody wants to shoot huge volumes at the range with an overbore belted magnum.
Enter the 308WIN training rifle. If you want to improve your marksmanship skills to improve your performance with your magnum hunting rifle, nothing beats a 308WIN training rifle that you can hose volumes of lead out of at the range.
What about impact on the rifle? Is there much difference?
Very impressive how the Trophy Copper performs. I wonder how deep my 225-grain .338 Win Mag ones would penetrate.
Get one of each!
Hey guys great series so far. Any chance of you doing the 300blackout compared to 350 legend? Thx
Both are great cartridges. But, at the end of the day, the most important factors are how well you can shoot with your rifle IN THE FIELD, and that you can get close enough to hit the vitals every time you fire at a game animal. For many, the recoil from the .300 Win Mag is harder to control than the .308, may induce flinching etc. and, as has been mentioned, is harder on the shoulder and wallet when it comes to practice time at the range. All this affects accuracy. I really wish the reviewers had taken the rifles to the range and shot several groups with both rifles in simulated field conditions to look at real world accuracy; my guess would be the .308 would win that battle too at reasonable ranges, say out to 300 yards, bearing in mind that 95% of game in North America is taken at 200 yards or less... Anyway, both cartridges will clearly do the job on Elk, Moose and any other big game in North America provided you are within ethical distances of the game and can shoot your chosen rifle accurately enough to get the job done. Those who like to take a long poke at game animals, and choose the 300 Win Mag for that reason, should read Boone and Crockett's position statement on long range hunting (summary - it's not considered "fair chase") and any animal taken in this way would not be eligible for inclusion in their record books. www.boone-crockett.org/bc-position-statement-long-range-shooting