My dad has always been a .30-06 guy. When i bought my rifle a few years back, i went with .308. we smack talk each other a little bit about which is better, but in reality, they perform so closely it really doesnt matter. They both work great in the southeast where we live. The biggest thing about these two calibers is that they get us together in the woods and at the range. That time together is priceless.
Amen!!! Same here. I have taken a ton of coyotes with a 110gr and deer and hogs and Axis with the 150gr and elk with the 165gr. Have not hunted anything bigger.
Rat kill…I have a .308 and my dad has a .30-06. They are extremely close in performance. If you were to get another .30 cal, I’d actually suggest a .300 Win Mag.
30-06 for 43 years now. It’s taken bear, elk, mule deer, sheep, pronghorn, whitetail, assorted varmints, pig, and on and on. I hand load for the animal from 220 gr down to 125 gr and all in between. You cannot do that with a .308. Many cartridges shoot softer than the ‘06 including the .308 and are touted as “superior” but there is NO cartridge that is as versatile as the 30-06 and when properly hand loaded, is the equal to many. Goodness knows it seems to be the round everything else is compared to.
30-06 will put shit down but I've never had a problem with elk running my .308. I've never shot a bear though I think I'd definitely take your rifle over mine for that.
Couple of questions. What was the distance you shot the jello? If distance wasn't at a "hunting distance, 50-300yrds", can you exstrapolate damage at distance using jello?
Hunting as a child in Wyoming I had my dads 30-06 winchester. We hunted deer and elk. My dad loved the heart meat. So we shot our game in the neck. We learned where to target our rounds by cutting up our own game. Dad was an engineer he served in WWII as a major in the Army Corps of Engineers. He was very particular about validating bullet performance at ranges from 50 yards out to 500 yards. Dad was a stickler at wind direction msking sure we were always up wind. We tracked our quary and stayed in the tree line. Until we got with the 200 yard range of our deer and elk. I learned a lot from dad. We always had lots of elk and deer in the fridge. Which we shared with our friends and neighbors. My mother was there showing how to cook the meat so it was flavorful and tender. Dad was slways look up at for his knowledge. It was not until shoryly before he died thst I found out he was the first to enter the NAZI concentration camps. Disarming the explosives the SS set under the jews. The greatest generation. 4:29
God bless you and your family. Love is a verb and it sounds like your parents knew how show their love for you. Yes, the greatest generation. I think we're going to need a similar generation in the future and pray they will measure up to the task.J.Au-en
I like the heart meat also and don't like hitting any big bones because of the meat damage. I learned about hunting from my father and I've taught my son. This year my son and one of my grandsons hunted with me. We didn't get our elk but we both got our deer and my grandson was with us when we did. He is already a die hard hunter and angler. My firearms have a home when I pass along.
They should have used the same weight grain bullets to more even it out, like say 165's out of both. My guess is they would have been a good bit closer though the '06 still would have took it
@@bronco686 I'm sure there'd be more fragmentation than the 308 would but there'd still be enough penetration on a deer. Elk or a big boar that's a different story
I believe somebody is paying the top RUclipsrs and sponsored channels to do exactly the opposite of that. Can't promote sales of the 308 by showing it is nowhere close to 30.06. most people don't realize it but the difference between 308 and 30.06 is almost the same difference between 30.06 and 300 win. I'm not saying 308 is a bad round, it perfectly bridges between 30-30 and 30.06.
I don’t know if y’all hired a new producer or what but these new videos have been a big step up. I really appreciate the little bits through out, really brings up the entertainment value.
I have and have hunted with the 300 WSM, 30-06, and 308. I thought I would really like the WSM but the edge it gives in reach isn't that important in my hunting. I pick the 06 tops, 308 second and 300 WSM third for my hunting.
Not to mention the difference between 94 and 96 different loadings is irrelevant. I would not trade my -06 for a 308, but I would be okay with a 308 in my safe.
As a solo hunter, the 308 is much more manageable, especially with semi-auto rifles. I have a BAR in 308. I enjoy carrying this rifle so much in the field; I am prepared for any game, including the dangerous ones, to pop into a close encounter suddenly. It's very comfy and accurate, especially without scope, just like my 30/30-another versatile round.
I shot the M1903 (modified in 1906) 30-06 on the military range when I was in the Corps. I was able to reach 500 yards with the old iron sights. However, I don't believe I could do that as a senior without a scope.
Personally I think the performance difference between the two lies at ranges beyond 350-400 yards. All things being equal with respect to bullet weight, composition, and construction, the 30-06 simply has more gas in the tank, and so pushes the ethical mean point blank range just a little further out. When you introduce hand loading the differences become even more distinct with heavier projectiles. To pick a clear “winner” is difficult, as there needs to be a strong consideration for the task at hand, as both rounds are more than capable for most game species inside 400 yards. So as with many, my chief consideration will have more to do with the platform most appropriate for where I’m hunting, as weight, terrain, and the distances I anticipate on encountering become the deciding factors on what I will bring into the field.
I tend to agree. Below 2 or 300 yards either will get the job done just fine for most game people hunt. 300 or so, the 30-06 takes it, and for the larger game too. I do question what percentage of hunters shoot at game 300 yards or so out or hunt the larger of the game animals. It would be very abnormal for me to even be able to get a glimpse of an animal 100 yards away since most hunting areas around me are wooded and even rarer to shoot anything but a deer.
Id argue that most of the popular deer cartridge debates are pointless within 300 yards specifically, especially when talking ballistics. Most people don't ever even shoot more than 300 yards. Only reason I hate the 6.5's and 270's of the world and anything under 30 cal is because I really believe in that bigger, heavier bullet, but IDC about ballistics because it's pointless for me personally regardless of what cartridge it is when talking less than 300.
I have rifles chambered in both calibers and they are comparable but useful in different ways. Realistically the 30-06 is virtually tied with the .308 in accessibility, no real edge to the .308. In terms of a hunting cartridge, hands down the 30-06 takes the edge. Especially when you give more weight to the attributes that really matter most for hunting, wound channel+penetration, as well as wind drift…winner 30-06
This is one of those great situations where you really can't go wrong either way. It comes down to finding a rifle in either caliber that just fits and feels right. Personally I have a 30-06 Savage with the accutrigger. It's a real beauty.
Can you guys please do a 300 win mag video and a 7mm rem magnum talk please !!!!!!!!! Love listening to you guys while at work!… keep it up the great content
I have always thought of .30-06 for pushing grain weights of 200 or so for those who did not want a .300 Win Mag. But .308 is so practical and has also killed just about every game animal out there. And it does have a managable recoil and so a shooter can get comfortable and good at it. And .308 with shorter barrel length was a smidge more maneuverable. a 16 or 20 inch barrel will get you to about 600 yards fairly well.
A 30-06 with a 20" bbl gives up nothing to the .308, and I personally cant feel the difference in recoil. Especially in a rifle that uses a long action for all rounds (Tikka, Remington 7600 etc...), there really is no advantage to the .308. I've owned both the .308 and '06 with 20" bbl's, as well as the .270win and 6.5x55... for any type of hunting where the short barrel would matter, they all worked about the same.
@@bushleague3472 Fair enough. And there will always be different experiences. For example, I had mentioned that the 7 PRC feels like an unbraked 308 to me. And someone chastised me because, on paper, the 7 PRC may have more of a recoil impulse because of grain weight and MV. Which is not what I was saying. I was not talking about calculated recoil but I was talking about felt recoil. So, similarly, here, either rifle will work just define. A matter of personal preference. And yes, you can get so many of these 30 cals in various lengths.
@@JoeJohnson-i9d Here in Canada the difference in ammo price is negligible, and favoring heavyer bullets in the .30 cal rounds the 30-06 does start to have an advantage. JMO, but if I didnt want to use a bullet of 180 grains or more, then I would rather use a smaller caliber.
As a new hunter and new shooter. I’ve been taking advice from my friends who have years of experience in both on me. I had narrowed it down, to these 2. I was very heavily leaning towards 30-06, until I went out with my friend a few weeks ago and shot that, the 308 and a 6.5 creed. I liked the feel from the 308 best. And then he told me something I didn’t know and it was the reason he switched from 30-06. Granted we’re in Canada so our gun laws and selections etc are garbage compared to my American friends. But what sold me outside this video comparison was the fact that if I needed a rifle in an emergency situation I could also use 7.62x51 in a 308. And that’s a super common police, military and surplus round here in Canada. So that settled it for me.. but I still wondered what the actual penetration and performance would be. So thank you for this video. I’m going to 308
Against a human at home defense distance? Really not important if you use 308 or 30-06 They both will be devastating especially if you use hunting ammo.
Thank you Men. Appreciate the format of the ballistic gel tests. Looking forward to future installments. Please include a 280 Remington vs 280 Remington AI in a future ballistics gel test.
@@fedup3582 no actually it doesn't. The reason is the working length of the barrel is 15" minus the cartridge length. This means the 308 gets an extra 0.5" of rifled barrel to accelerate through. Anything shorter than about 18" the 308 should win. Anything longer than 20" the 30-06 should win. Between 18" & 20" they should tie.
The test I wanted to see and didn't even know it! I moved on from the .308 to 30-06 last year and have enjoyed the change. I never had an issue with the .308, just wanted something new.
Harry was a guy I worked with and hunted with in Oklahoma. He and I had the 30-06 vs 308 discussion many times. I would point out the ballistics were better on a 308, he would say "yes, but if you go hunting and forget your ammo you can stop in at any Wal Mart and get 30-06 - not so with 308. So when I bought my first deer rifle 15 years ago I got it in 30-06. 12 deer later it's getting the job done, although I find there's less tracking with the 180 gr bullets as opposed to the 150 gr bullets.
Assuming two things, it's no contest. 30-06 wins hands down. At worst it's a tie. First assumption, you handload and your rifle isn't junk. Load the 06 to the same pressure that the newer .308 is loaded to. The only reason the smaller cartridge can compete ballistically with the larger, is the pressure ceilings are different. Keep your Garand and M95 away from those loads and all is well. The second assumption is that you know how to properly operate the action of your rifle. Anyone that short strokes a 1/2" longer cartridge, is not operating the rifle correctly. There might be a slim advantage for a short cartridge in target games, but not in the game field.
Those are some good points. I prefer the .308 because it’s a bit shorter and ammo is easier to find where I am. What may be the superior cartridge for me, may not be the superior cartridge for you. It all comes down to what we all want/need/expect in a cartridge.
@@stephenparchewski1998 When I was young, and I no longer am, I went shopping for a used rifle. For my first center fire rifle, I would have bought a .308, 30-06, .270, or... I found an 06, and a 7mm mag at the first shop I went to. Good shape and priced for my budget. I chose the 06 being worried about recoil. Later I found that to me the recoil didn't seem all that different to me. The seven mm is probably better, but not as much as many suppose. I was a reloader for handgun cartridges, but became a 'handloader' with the 06. Loaded to the pressures of the .270, and .308 which are safe in the same rifles the ballistic performance is superb. The .280 benefits in the same way. I have more powerful rifles, but in truth, everything I've killed would have fallen to a .257 Roberts. I get close and use good bullets. My very light .260 Rem. Winds up going hunting more than the rest.
I love the .308, but to be perfectly honest, the gun I’ve killed the most big game with is my .223 with 60gr Nosler partitions. For meat animals, I go for headshots with that little tackdriver.
I dont think any game will be able to tell you what they got shot with both will do the job but in my opinion 308 is the better option like might as well go up to a 300win or wsm over 06
I purchased a new Savage weather warrior in 30-06 a couple years ago and a Leupold 3 x 9 scope to sit on top. I need to purchase base and rings still to marry the two. This podcast is just what I need to get my juices flowing again for my 06 project.
I love both calibers, and, like a discussion on which tool is the best, with every factor that can be considered, it is really going to come down to application and personal preference. I'm excited to watch the episode when it comes out.
The 30-06 is the undisputed all around game king cartridge. I used it for the first 28 years of my hunting life. Finally, I went to a 300 win mag but I still miss the 30-06.. there's reasons why marine snipers in world War II were shooting 1 mile kill shots with the 06.. you guys are making up the figures on the unique loadings for the 06, I loaded everything from 110 grain Hornady amax all the way up to 220 grain Sierra match King in mine. At least 70 different loadings..
I'll dispute it. Too big for varmints, too small for bears. Yes it can do both, but I'd rather a 338 win mag in the bear woods than an 06 in the coyote prairies. The 06 is a fine cartridge for deer sized-moose sized game, anything bigger and I want more gun, smaller and I want less recoil. Jim Carmichael killed cape buffalo with the 338, I'm sure an 06 could do that as well, but I'm not going to try it.
I'm also not sure what your source is for those ww2 kill shots. The longest recorded kill of the war was 1200yds by an Austrian sniper serving the wehrmacht
I agree with you. I have a Weatherby in 30-06. I don’t shoot all the different loads you shoot. But found a load that works for everything I shoot. A full case of 4831 powder with a 165gr Sierra boat tails. Been using this for 30 yrs but noe playing with another Weatherby in 30-378. Another animal with amazing ballistics.
You can also shoot 110 gr bullets from the 06.now I understand the 308 is becoming more popular than the 06 and that you can have it in a lighter rifle.the little more performance I get from my 06 makes it my choice over any other cartridge. I used to favor rems big 7 and though it outshines the 06 in most areas the 06 is still more versatile and ammo is more readily available and cheaper.ill take my 708 over the 308 also.the 308 is a fantastic cartridge no doubt about it.great video guys
Thanks for the comparison video. If I ever lost my 30-06 and all my stock-piled 30-06 ammo in a boating accident, I might consider replacing it with the more popular 308.
Definitely should’ve used the same bullet out of both cartridges! Give us an apples to apples comparison. Especially since both cartridges are capable of shooting the exact same bullet.
I get that only factory offerings where being compared here, but really versatility should have at a minimum been a draw. Any bullet weight the 308 can shoot, so can the 06, including the 110 grain bullets. If you you factor in what you guy's said, that the 06 handles the heavier bullets more effectively, then really the 06 should have won the versatile category. Love the video though!
this 73 yr old dog has shot a lot of muley and white tail deer in my life useing cheap remington 150 grain 30-06 core-loct ammo usually from 50-150 yards.i have no problem with 308 but where i lived in north idaho and montana 06 was readily available and for less money.good vid thanks
In factory loads, same bullet from the same manufacturer (say 150gr Winchester PowerPoint) the 06 typically has 75-125fps advantage. So out to 400 yards, can't imagine there is much difference. Now, 06 has the advantage of powder capacity for when shooting 180gr and up.
Do you have a recommended round for suppressed .308 big game hunting? Something ethical, accurate and quieter than most?(Obviously not a subsonic round, but the best and quietest you can get out of all the .308 big game rounds)
I'm watching this episode and noticed when you talked about bullet selection between the two that you must not be consisting reload options as with 30-06 there is published load data from 110 grain up to 220 grain. I have personally loaded 110 grain v max to velocity of 3400 fps and put them at times through the same hole @ 100 yds. The only beneficial difference I see in 308 is 1- less recoil 2- less powder to be used per cartridge. Both are so capable that for me it is a toss up in preference. Like your show.
Both are great cartridges. Just curious as to why you didn't use the same bullet weights in both? They are available, seems it would have been a more even comparison, especially on the gel. A 180 will definitely penetrate more than a 150, with a bigger wound channel.
I’d like to suggest to revise the comparison to segment for application/game size, and do the scoring on a 5 point scale. It’s tough to say that .308 outright beats .30-06 in a category like accessibility, whereas it’s more like .308 is a 5/5 and .30-06 is 4.5/5. Absolutely love this content…Keep it going!!!
.308 came out on top but this makes me want a .30-06 hunting rifle so much more haha. The versatility and accessibility seem irrelevant between these 2 in particular. Great video guys!
Yeah I've always felt that 30-06 shines in versatility. in the 150-165g range, it's so similar to .308 to not even make any difference, but 30-06 shines at 180g's. And this is coming from a .308 lover who owns two of them.
I made the mistake of buying a Tikka T-3 ultralight stainless steel in 30.06 about 12 years ago. The mistake was I never found a reason to buy any other hunting rifle. Flat and fast 125 gr. for antelope, deadly accurate 165 gr. Fusion for mule deer and elk, and 180 grain for moose. At < 7 lbs. with glass, it definitely needs a limb-saver, but I wouldn't trade it for anything else.
The accessibility is a moot point in the 308, if im buying a hunting rifle i don't care if there are 20 different fmj loads or match loads, not gonna hunt with those. How accessabile is the ammo at my local store?
Vote was wrong! Shootability is same with brake Accessibility is same Versatility is same Drop...30-06 wins Power...30-06 wins Overall 30-06 wins 308 only wins in small action gun selection But plenty of 30-06 rifles out there
What about the length of the bolt on each rifle? I can shoot my 700BDL in each caliber and constantly perform faster action with the 308, could help in some hunting situations when a fast follow up shot is needed
My argument for the 30-06 is it gives you a bit more options when it comes to different types of hunting. More than enough for the deer woods but very capable on elk. With the same grain bullet it outcompetes the 308 in velocity and if you hand load you could load down to 308 levels for a lighter shooting rifle. I think it sits perfectly between the 308 and the 300 winmag!
Love your work, gents! Wanted to share: A friend and I went hunting for Russian Boar at Tioga Ranch in PA end of April 2023. I used my 7mag but my buddy used my M700 in 30-06, using the exact same Federal Blue Box Powershock 180 grain rounds you're testing here. One shot on his hog, about 220 pounds, anchored it. The damage was absolutely devastating, the entire thoracic cavity looked like it went through a blender, and the bullet managed to exit on the far side of the animal. I did NOT expect such performance out of Federal 180 grain blue box ammo.
Y'all are zeroing in on a fantastic video format. The camera angles are great. A touch less background music would suit my taste better. Keep these coming!
Excellent quality video, lighting and photography top notch. The really only difference is the 1/2" case length advantage of the 30-06. The 06 will shine with a slower powder, heavier bullet and longer barrel for larger North American animals (and your shoulder will immediately feel it). For deer, the .308 or 6.5 CR is excellent.
My all-time two favorite rounds. 308 because my grandpa gave me a Winchester 88 in 308 when I was 9, and 30-06 because my uncle who took me hunting all the time, and loved and used the 30-06. I get warm fuzzies whenever I load up either, thinking about the family history
😁 Thank You For Putting On This Series! 🥳 What I Am Hoping People Get Out Of This Is: 1.) People Realize That You Don't Need a Magnum To Kill Any North America Big Game Species (Except As Recommended For Grizzly 🐻's)! 2.) That Bullet Selection Is More Important Than Caliber - Again, "No Magnum Necessary"! 3.) That Copper Bullets Are Very Affordable, But Still Can Provide Some Of The Best And "More Than Adequate" Penetration On Big Animals! THANKS AGAIN FOR PROVIDING THESE VISUAL AIDS! GOOD JOB GUYS! 👍 WELL DONE! 👏👏👏
During the recent shortage, there were times when I couldn't find .308 anywhere. As for .30-06, even though it got to be exorbitantly expensive, I was *always* able to find it. "Case closed" as far as I'm concerned
Actually, I found the opposite to be true where I am from. Could always find lots of .308 and no .30-06. I prefer the .308 over the .30-06. They are both very close regarding ballistics.
The rifle I purchased was only offered in .308 and not .30-06. To be perfectly honest, I don’t believe there is a true winner, but it will be interesting to hear what they say.
Hunted with :06 until the 2020 ammo shortage, bought .308 because I could find it everywhere. 150 grain bullet, out to two hundred yards on the average MO whitetail, have no problems with the .308. Now I hunt part of the season with one caliber, finish with the other.
Great video guys. I always look forward to new releases. I like the .308 for it’s lower recoil and almost identical performance. The .30-06 is a great cartridge, but the .308 wins for me.
You can practice with .308 for cheaper than you can with 30.06. Cheap surplus 7.62mm NATO is everywhere. However, you will still want a premium rifle using a Premium 308 load to actually hunt with though and you still should actually practice with that rifle and that load before you actually go out hunting with that specific rifle ans specific load.
Good test, but you should have used identical bullets AND bullet weights. I think you would have gotten much closer results in the gel test, with the 30.06 wound cavity being slightly larger with maybe even LESS penetration. Heavier slower bullets penetrate deeper to a point. There is no doubt in my mind that the 30.06 is superior to 308, but depending on what you're using them on any comparison could be moot, like stepping on a bug with a size 7 shoe versus a size 10 shoe.
Do the 30-06! I would recommend that to anyone weighing your decision unless a few extra lbs of recoil was significant to them. Given your affinity to the 300wizzzzzzzem I think your good. Great podcast as always fellas.
You have a great head to head format going here. A few ideas for upcoming projects. 450 Marlin vs 45-70 .204 vs .22-250 .243 vs 6 Creedmoor 17 Hornet vs 17 WSM 17 HMR vs .22 Mag .17 HM2 vs .22 LR .22 Hornet vs 17 Hornet. 7-08 vs .308 9mm- .40 SW 357 vs .44 Mag. .338 Rum vs .338 Lapua ………. You get the idea.😊
I would like to have seen the results with 165 gr in both cup and core and copper in both 308 and 30-06. I have never been a fan of 180 in 30-06. Only deer I had to look for and didn’t find till the next morning was a double lung shot very nice 8 at about 175 lbs and just under 200 yards shot with a 180 Gr Hornady sp..165 Remington PSPCL are good enough for me. Good video guys.
There's no way 308 should've beat the 06 in versatility. It can shoot anything the 308 can, but better. Love the podcast, BTW. Always look forward to new episodes.
@@lk9456 I think no doubt that 6.8 western is better than both 6.5prc and .308 the problem is even Winchester and Browning gave up on advertising that awesome cartridge and not many gun manufacturers are making rifles chambered in 6.8 western specially after 7prc. I think 6.5PRC vs .308 is nice comparison, most of the online comparisons are 6.5CM vs 308. I’m also very curious to know the ballistics of a 6.5 prc necked up to 30 cal!
@@Damon1359 the 6.8 is a lot better then 6.5 prc it shoots heavier faster and is much more comparable to the 6.5prc then a 308 tho 6.5 owners won’t wanna see all that marketing from hornady they gobbled up look like bs Hornady said they won’t support it and killed a bit part of the 6.8(.277) market because they don’t see potential in it, which surprisingly came right after the 6.5 which it edges out and just before they released the 7prc which edges out the 6.8 but requires a bigger bore, shorter for cal bullets of comparable weight and a long action Almost like hornady was trying to boost their sales and people eat up their marketing like they’re the ammunition benchmark
Bison can get to 3,500 lbs, here in Montana, and one was documented to have reached about 3,900 lbs! Thus, that and the Grizzly Bear are the only 2 Animals that I will be reaching for my 30-06 over my 270 Winchester! A Nice 200 Swift A-Frame for them too! 🐂
Thank you, gentlemen, that was very helpful. I'm hoping to get my son a rifle, and being in Kansas, without Elk nearby, I think, based on your evidence, he'll do just fine with a .308.
Now, with the calibre being the same, the faster bullet will always win. However, these cartridges are no joke. Not many animals walk away from being shot with either; the difference regarding performance on game is very minimal. I prefer the .308 because it is a smaller package (shorter cartridge, a little less recoil).
I think you used the wrong criteria for "accessibility". For me, it would be how readily I can find suitable ammo on the dealer shelves/websites when I need to buy ammo. THAT'S how "accessible" the ammo is. From what I see around my area (Kansas), it's close to a toss-up, with the -06 possibly having the same slight advantage in MY test that the .308 had in yours.
I have a 7mm rem mag. Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Special Edition. I have never been happy with it as far as shoot accuracy. I used to shoot a 303 British, and it was a great rifle all around. I was always pushing my shots too far. I never lost an animal but wanted something with a little more power for elk and moose. I've been comparing 308 and 30.06. I think the 30.06 would suit me best. Can you tell me what model is best. I'm looking at 400 to 700 yard shots.
They are both great cartridges. I've shot many thousands of rounds out of both in competition and harvested deer with both. The military went to the 308 for a reason/s and it doesn't make decisions lightly. While the 06 has a slight (vary slight) ballistic advantage it's really negligible in most situations. In the end, IMO it's personal preference. That said, I have many 308's for hunting/competition, and two 06's, one hunting, one match rifle. U.S. NAVY DISTINGUISHED MARKSMAN Thanks for the comparison 👍
I propose another set of tests. Shoot identical mono 150s side by side with each cartridge. Likewise a common 150 cup and core. Likewise both cartridges with a 180 Nosler Partition, or AccuBond Shooting the same test with different bullet weights skews all perspective
Oh boy! An opportunity to give my unsolicited opinion, lol. In my area, I'd say availability between the 2 results in a tie. As far as the 308 replacing 30-06 in the military, I agree with the reasoning behind it. (Please note I have no actual military experience.) For anything larger than deer, I would select 30-06 as my round of choice. Finally, I want to thank you for such a great and informative video.
I'd say this comparison is pretty much spot on, but I would give the .308 more of an advantage in accessibility. I usually see 20 to 30 different ammo choices for .308 at a gun store versus 5 to 10 choices for .30'06. And actually the .308 Win/7.62x51 usually has the best selection of any rifle caliber, including .223/5.56. It is worth mentioning that .223/5.56 is usually more plentiful, which is different than selection. This is a recent development and was a major factor for my latest rifle to be purchased in .308 Win caliber.
I agree 100% with 4809's thoughts. I wonder if the greater availability of .308 ammo is a result of recent AR guns being offered in .308 but not in 30-06? The popularity of .308 AR PLATFORMS probably accounts for the popularity(and availability/variety) of .308 ammo.
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My dad has always been a .30-06 guy. When i bought my rifle a few years back, i went with .308. we smack talk each other a little bit about which is better, but in reality, they perform so closely it really doesnt matter. They both work great in the southeast where we live. The biggest thing about these two calibers is that they get us together in the woods and at the range. That time together is priceless.
Mark, you and Ryan are nailing this. Smooth, clean, clear, concise, and on point. Well done!
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I'm a diehard 30-06 guy myself. I've hunted with the same rifle for over 30 years. It's never let me down once.
Same story here.
Same here too. Tried true trusted.
Amen!!! Same here. I have taken a ton of coyotes with a 110gr and deer and hogs and Axis with the 150gr and elk with the 165gr. Have not hunted anything bigger.
Hit the half-century mark with my '06 this year.
@@sisleymichael Beware of the man with one gun he may know how to use it.
These showdowns are always fun. The verdict: We need one of each
I have one of each already…
Well I have 2 rifles in .308 and one in .30-30. Do I dare go .30-06? Maybe.
Rat kill…I have a .308 and my dad has a .30-06. They are extremely close in performance. If you were to get another .30 cal, I’d actually suggest a .300 Win Mag.
@@stephenparchewski1998 then that makes you an “Even Stephen” 😂
At least one of each
30-06 for 43 years now. It’s taken bear, elk, mule deer, sheep, pronghorn, whitetail, assorted varmints, pig, and on and on. I hand load for the animal from 220 gr down to 125 gr and all in between. You cannot do that with a .308. Many cartridges shoot softer than the ‘06 including the .308 and are touted as “superior” but there is NO cartridge that is as versatile as the 30-06 and when properly hand loaded, is the equal to many. Goodness knows it seems to be the round everything else is compared to.
30-06 will put shit down but I've never had a problem with elk running my .308. I've never shot a bear though I think I'd definitely take your rifle over mine for that.
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Couple of questions. What was the distance you shot the jello? If distance wasn't at a "hunting distance, 50-300yrds", can you exstrapolate damage at distance using jello?
@@ryanupchurch9683 90 percent of my hunting is done with a 6.5 swede and modern riffle load data, really nice to shoot.
A .308 can do it too.
The 30-06 is just a cool cartridge. Amazing history, huge bullet selection, and extremely effective.
I think you should have used the same grainweight in both.
Townsend Whelen said .30-06 is never a mistake.
Yes. I built a .35 Whelen. Wonderful rifle to pack in bear country.
Hunting as a child in Wyoming I had my dads 30-06 winchester. We hunted deer and elk. My dad loved the heart meat. So we shot our game in the neck. We learned where to target our rounds by cutting up our own game. Dad was an engineer he served in WWII as a major in the Army Corps of Engineers. He was very particular about validating bullet performance at ranges from 50 yards out to 500 yards. Dad was a stickler at wind direction msking sure we were always up wind. We tracked our quary and stayed in the tree line. Until we got with the 200 yard range of our deer and elk. I learned a lot from dad. We always had lots of elk and deer in the fridge. Which we shared with our friends and neighbors. My mother was there showing how to cook the meat so it was flavorful and tender. Dad was slways look up at for his knowledge. It was not until shoryly before he died thst I found out he was the first to enter the NAZI concentration camps. Disarming the explosives the SS set under the jews. The greatest generation. 4:29
God bless you and your family. Love is a verb and it sounds like your parents knew how show their love for you. Yes, the greatest generation. I think we're going to need a similar generation in the future and pray they will measure up to the task.J.Au-en
Your dad sounds awesome.
Wonderful, thanks for sharing
I like the heart meat also and don't like hitting any big bones because of the meat damage. I learned about hunting from my father and I've taught my son. This year my son and one of my grandsons hunted with me. We didn't get our elk but we both got our deer and my grandson was with us when we did. He is already a die hard hunter and angler. My firearms have a home when I pass along.
ss set explosives under jews? dont be absurd
I'm sure we all knew that the 30-06 was going to penetrate further, but I had no idea that it would penetrate THAT much further! I'm impressed.
Yeah its perfect for those times you need to kill 3 deers with 1 shot.
They should have used the same weight grain bullets to more even it out, like say 165's out of both. My guess is they would have been a good bit closer though the '06 still would have took it
@@tyson9539 Wondering if the standard cup and core construction would still hold together with the higher velocity 30-06.
@@bronco686 I'm sure there'd be more fragmentation than the 308 would but there'd still be enough penetration on a deer. Elk or a big boar that's a different story
@@bronco686 who knows how many deer and elk have fallen to the mighty Remington CoreLok in 30-06? It must be a huge number.
That slow-mo shot of the copper exiting the gel was fantastic
It would have been nice to see the same projectile to be used in both cartridges so you can see the performance difference apples to apples.
I believe somebody is paying the top RUclipsrs and sponsored channels to do exactly the opposite of that. Can't promote sales of the 308 by showing it is nowhere close to 30.06. most people don't realize it but the difference between 308 and 30.06 is almost the same difference between 30.06 and 300 win.
I'm not saying 308 is a bad round, it perfectly bridges between 30-30 and 30.06.
I don’t know if y’all hired a new producer or what but these new videos have been a big step up. I really appreciate the little bits through out, really brings up the entertainment value.
I'd say it's more of a tie. If you don't mind the recoil then the 30-06 is just better
And with that logic the 300 wsm beats both
@@MrJtin69I shoot all 3 calibers they all do the job.
I have and have hunted with the 300 WSM, 30-06, and 308. I thought I would really like the WSM but the edge it gives in reach isn't that important in my hunting. I pick the 06 tops, 308 second and 300 WSM third for my hunting.
🤣 Fed Up, you are finally talking "Sensible"! I AGREE! 🤪
Not to mention the difference between 94 and 96 different loadings is irrelevant. I would not trade my -06 for a 308, but I would be okay with a 308 in my safe.
As a solo hunter, the 308 is much more manageable, especially with semi-auto rifles. I have a BAR in 308. I enjoy carrying this rifle so much in the field; I am prepared for any game, including the dangerous ones, to pop into a close encounter suddenly. It's very comfy and accurate, especially without scope, just like my 30/30-another versatile round.
I've used both for the last 30 years. They have been flawless. Learn your cartridges and run with it.
I shot the M1903 (modified in 1906) 30-06 on the military range when I was in the Corps. I was able to reach 500 yards with the old iron sights. However, I don't believe I could do that as a senior without a scope.
Personally I think the performance difference between the two lies at ranges beyond 350-400 yards. All things being equal with respect to bullet weight, composition, and construction, the 30-06 simply has more gas in the tank, and so pushes the ethical mean point blank range just a little further out. When you introduce hand loading the differences become even more distinct with heavier projectiles. To pick a clear “winner” is difficult, as there needs to be a strong consideration for the task at hand, as both rounds are more than capable for most game species inside 400 yards. So as with many, my chief consideration will have more to do with the platform most appropriate for where I’m hunting, as weight, terrain, and the distances I anticipate on encountering become the deciding factors on what I will bring into the field.
I tend to agree. Below 2 or 300 yards either will get the job done just fine for most game people hunt. 300 or so, the 30-06 takes it, and for the larger game too. I do question what percentage of hunters shoot at game 300 yards or so out or hunt the larger of the game animals. It would be very abnormal for me to even be able to get a glimpse of an animal 100 yards away since most hunting areas around me are wooded and even rarer to shoot anything but a deer.
Id argue that most of the popular deer cartridge debates are pointless within 300 yards specifically, especially when talking ballistics. Most people don't ever even shoot more than 300 yards.
Only reason I hate the 6.5's and 270's of the world and anything under 30 cal is because I really believe in that bigger, heavier bullet, but IDC about ballistics because it's pointless for me personally regardless of what cartridge it is when talking less than 300.
I have rifles chambered in both calibers and they are comparable but useful in different ways. Realistically the 30-06 is virtually tied with the .308 in accessibility, no real edge to the .308. In terms of a hunting cartridge, hands down the 30-06 takes the edge. Especially when you give more weight to the attributes that really matter most for hunting, wound channel+penetration, as well as wind drift…winner 30-06
This is one of those great situations where you really can't go wrong either way. It comes down to finding a rifle in either caliber that just fits and feels right. Personally I have a 30-06 Savage with the accutrigger. It's a real beauty.
Can you guys please do a 300 win mag video and a 7mm rem magnum talk please !!!!!!!!! Love listening to you guys while at work!… keep it up the great content
I second that…those are both two classic “Magnums”.
300WM for the win!😊
What about the 30-378 weatherby? Talk about insane…
@@stephenparchewski1998
My old boss has a 338-378. It'll get your attention.
... And a 460 Weatherby magnum... Violent lol.
I have always thought of .30-06 for pushing grain weights of 200 or so for those who did not want a .300 Win Mag. But .308 is so practical and has also killed just about every game animal out there. And it does have a managable recoil and so a shooter can get comfortable and good at it. And .308 with shorter barrel length was a smidge more maneuverable. a 16 or 20 inch barrel will get you to about 600 yards fairly well.
Well said, that chocks them both up perfectly as to what they really are in attributes.
A 30-06 with a 20" bbl gives up nothing to the .308, and I personally cant feel the difference in recoil. Especially in a rifle that uses a long action for all rounds (Tikka, Remington 7600 etc...), there really is no advantage to the .308. I've owned both the .308 and '06 with 20" bbl's, as well as the .270win and 6.5x55... for any type of hunting where the short barrel would matter, they all worked about the same.
@@bushleague3472 Fair enough. And there will always be different experiences. For example, I had mentioned that the 7 PRC feels like an unbraked 308 to me. And someone chastised me because, on paper, the 7 PRC may have more of a recoil impulse because of grain weight and MV. Which is not what I was saying. I was not talking about calculated recoil but I was talking about felt recoil.
So, similarly, here, either rifle will work just define. A matter of personal preference. And yes, you can get so many of these 30 cals in various lengths.
@@bushleague3472the ammo is cheaper and performs virtually the same 😂 308 is better
@@JoeJohnson-i9d Here in Canada the difference in ammo price is negligible, and favoring heavyer bullets in the .30 cal rounds the 30-06 does start to have an advantage. JMO, but if I didnt want to use a bullet of 180 grains or more, then I would rather use a smaller caliber.
As a new hunter and new shooter. I’ve been taking advice from my friends who have years of experience in both on me. I had narrowed it down, to these 2. I was very heavily leaning towards 30-06, until I went out with my friend a few weeks ago and shot that, the 308 and a 6.5 creed. I liked the feel from the 308 best. And then he told me something I didn’t know and it was the reason he switched from 30-06. Granted we’re in Canada so our gun laws and selections etc are garbage compared to my American friends. But what sold me outside this video comparison was the fact that if I needed a rifle in an emergency situation I could also use 7.62x51 in a 308. And that’s a super common police, military and surplus round here in Canada. So that settled it for me.. but I still wondered what the actual penetration and performance would be. So thank you for this video. I’m going to 308
Against a human at home defense distance? Really not important if you use 308 or 30-06 They both will be devastating especially if you use hunting ammo.
You would think these comparisons would get old, but y’all made it very entertaining and interesting. Great job!
Thank you Men. Appreciate the format of the ballistic gel tests. Looking forward to future installments. Please include a 280 Remington vs 280 Remington AI in a future ballistics gel test.
Tremendous video series! Thanks for all the hard work you put into this!
Nothing is more versatile than the 3006, period.
If you’re a hand loader.
...in a long barrelled rifle.
In a 15 inch TC Encore barrel, the 06 will still produce more velocity, in general.
@@fedup3582 no actually it doesn't. The reason is the working length of the barrel is 15" minus the cartridge length. This means the 308 gets an extra 0.5" of rifled barrel to accelerate through. Anything shorter than about 18" the 308 should win. Anything longer than 20" the 30-06 should win. Between 18" & 20" they should tie.
Thank you for taking what could have been a very dry topic and making it both enlightening and entertaining!
The test I wanted to see and didn't even know it! I moved on from the .308 to 30-06 last year and have enjoyed the change. I never had an issue with the .308, just wanted something new.
Harry was a guy I worked with and hunted with in Oklahoma. He and I had the 30-06 vs 308 discussion many times. I would point out the ballistics were better on a 308, he would say "yes, but if you go hunting and forget your ammo you can stop in at any Wal Mart and get 30-06 - not so with 308. So when I bought my first deer rifle 15 years ago I got it in 30-06. 12 deer later it's getting the job done, although I find there's less tracking with the 180 gr bullets as opposed to the 150 gr bullets.
My dad and I reload, we like 168 grain boat tail for hunting with 308.
Assuming two things, it's no contest. 30-06 wins hands down. At worst it's a tie. First assumption, you handload and your rifle isn't junk. Load the 06 to the same pressure that the newer .308 is loaded to. The only reason the smaller cartridge can compete ballistically with the larger, is the pressure ceilings are different. Keep your Garand and M95 away from those loads and all is well. The second assumption is that you know how to properly operate the action of your rifle. Anyone that short strokes a 1/2" longer cartridge, is not operating the rifle correctly. There might be a slim advantage for a short cartridge in target games, but not in the game field.
Those are some good points. I prefer the .308 because it’s a bit shorter and ammo is easier to find where I am. What may be the superior cartridge for me, may not be the superior cartridge for you. It all comes down to what we all want/need/expect in a cartridge.
@@stephenparchewski1998 When I was young, and I no longer am, I went shopping for a used rifle. For my first center fire rifle, I would have bought a .308, 30-06, .270, or... I found an 06, and a 7mm mag at the first shop I went to. Good shape and priced for my budget. I chose the 06 being worried about recoil. Later I found that to me the recoil didn't seem all that different to me. The seven mm is probably better, but not as much as many suppose. I was a reloader for handgun cartridges, but became a 'handloader' with the 06. Loaded to the pressures of the .270, and
.308 which are safe in the same rifles the ballistic performance is superb. The .280 benefits in the same way. I have more powerful rifles, but in truth, everything I've killed would have fallen to a .257 Roberts. I get close and use good bullets. My very light .260 Rem. Winds up going hunting more than the rest.
I love the .308, but to be perfectly honest, the gun I’ve killed the most big game with is my .223 with 60gr Nosler partitions. For meat animals, I go for headshots with that little tackdriver.
I dont think any game will be able to tell you what they got shot with both will do the job but in my opinion 308 is the better option like might as well go up to a 300win or wsm over 06
If you’re going to hand load, that is where the old 06 shines for sure.
I purchased a new Savage weather warrior in 30-06 a couple years ago and a Leupold 3 x 9 scope to sit on top. I need to purchase base and rings still to marry the two. This podcast is just what I need to get my juices flowing again for my 06 project.
I love both calibers, and, like a discussion on which tool is the best, with every factor that can be considered, it is really going to come down to application and personal preference. I'm excited to watch the episode when it comes out.
This series is amazing! I'd love to see the 220 Swift vs 22-250
Or even the 204...
The 30-06 is the undisputed all around game king cartridge. I used it for the first 28 years of my hunting life. Finally, I went to a 300 win mag but I still miss the 30-06.. there's reasons why marine snipers in world War II were shooting 1 mile kill shots with the 06.. you guys are making up the figures on the unique loadings for the 06, I loaded everything from 110 grain Hornady amax all the way up to 220 grain Sierra match King in mine. At least 70 different loadings..
I'll dispute it. Too big for varmints, too small for bears. Yes it can do both, but I'd rather a 338 win mag in the bear woods than an 06 in the coyote prairies. The 06 is a fine cartridge for deer sized-moose sized game, anything bigger and I want more gun, smaller and I want less recoil. Jim Carmichael killed cape buffalo with the 338, I'm sure an 06 could do that as well, but I'm not going to try it.
I'm also not sure what your source is for those ww2 kill shots. The longest recorded kill of the war was 1200yds by an Austrian sniper serving the wehrmacht
I agree with you. I have a Weatherby in 30-06. I don’t shoot all the different loads you shoot. But found a load that works for everything I shoot. A full case of 4831 powder with a 165gr Sierra boat tails. Been using this for 30 yrs but noe playing with another Weatherby in 30-378. Another animal with amazing ballistics.
You can also shoot 110 gr bullets from the 06.now I understand the 308 is becoming more popular than the 06 and that you can have it in a lighter rifle.the little more performance I get from my 06 makes it my choice over any other cartridge. I used to favor rems big 7 and though it outshines the 06 in most areas the 06 is still more versatile and ammo is more readily available and cheaper.ill take my 708 over the 308 also.the 308 is a fantastic cartridge no doubt about it.great video guys
Thanks for the comparison video.
If I ever lost my 30-06 and all my stock-piled 30-06 ammo in a boating accident, I might consider replacing it with the more popular 308.
3006 is always better than 308 don't lie
The 06 was better in the category’s that counted the Most ! ? Grizzly 🐻 06 or 08 ?
Love these new videos keep them coming!!!
Definitely should’ve used the same bullet out of both cartridges! Give us an apples to apples comparison. Especially since both cartridges are capable of shooting the exact same bullet.
They failed to mention that the 220 grain for the 308 is mainly subSonic
I love the new podcast. I would love to see you pit the 45-70 government vs 450 bushmaster vs 12 ga sabot slug
I get that only factory offerings where being compared here, but really versatility should have at a minimum been a draw. Any bullet weight the 308 can shoot, so can the 06, including the 110 grain bullets. If you you factor in what you guy's said, that the 06 handles the heavier bullets more effectively, then really the 06 should have won the versatile category. Love the video though!
this 73 yr old dog has shot a lot of muley and white tail deer in my life useing cheap remington 150 grain 30-06 core-loct ammo usually from 50-150 yards.i have no problem with 308 but where i lived in north idaho and montana 06 was readily available and for less money.good vid thanks
In factory loads, same bullet from the same manufacturer (say 150gr Winchester PowerPoint) the 06 typically has 75-125fps advantage. So out to 400 yards, can't imagine there is much difference. Now, 06 has the advantage of powder capacity for when shooting 180gr and up.
But when you handload that gap opens up. Especially with the heavier bullets like you said.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 oh, ya. Handloads make a difference.
Do you have a recommended round for suppressed .308 big game hunting? Something ethical, accurate and quieter than most?(Obviously not a subsonic round, but the best and quietest you can get out of all the .308 big game rounds)
Would love to see the 7 Rem. Mag vs the 280AI
I'm watching this episode and noticed when you talked about bullet selection between the two that you must not be consisting reload options as with 30-06 there is published load data from 110 grain up to 220 grain. I have personally loaded 110 grain v max to velocity of 3400 fps and put them at times through the same hole @ 100 yds. The only beneficial difference I see in 308 is 1- less recoil 2- less powder to be used per cartridge. Both are so capable that for me it is a toss up in preference. Like your show.
Both are great cartridges. Just curious as to why you didn't use the same bullet weights in both? They are available, seems it would have been a more even comparison, especially on the gel. A 180 will definitely penetrate more than a 150, with a bigger wound channel.
Always a vortex fan but this series is pure genuis
Hopefully Mark will speak up and we get 300wsm vs 300winmag next and if not that maybe 6.5 prc vs 270win
270 Win for the Win! 😜
I’d like to suggest to revise the comparison to segment for application/game size, and do the scoring on a 5 point scale. It’s tough to say that .308 outright beats .30-06 in a category like accessibility, whereas it’s more like .308 is a 5/5 and .30-06 is 4.5/5. Absolutely love this content…Keep it going!!!
.308 came out on top but this makes me want a .30-06 hunting rifle so much more haha. The versatility and accessibility seem irrelevant between these 2 in particular. Great video guys!
Yeah I've always felt that 30-06 shines in versatility. in the 150-165g range, it's so similar to .308 to not even make any difference, but 30-06 shines at 180g's. And this is coming from a .308 lover who owns two of them.
I made the mistake of buying a Tikka T-3 ultralight stainless steel in 30.06 about 12 years ago. The mistake was I never found a reason to buy any other hunting rifle. Flat and fast 125 gr. for antelope, deadly accurate 165 gr. Fusion for mule deer and elk, and 180 grain for moose. At < 7 lbs. with glass, it definitely needs a limb-saver, but I wouldn't trade it for anything else.
They're both great and either one could easily make the last hunting rifle you'd ever need for real world hunting.
The accessibility is a moot point in the 308, if im buying a hunting rifle i don't care if there are 20 different fmj loads or match loads, not gonna hunt with those.
How accessabile is the ammo at my local store?
Very accessible everywhere
Great job, but really should have had equal weight bullets for test. But I agree, both very good choices.
I am a .308 guy. I like the smaller recoil. try the 165 gr sst in the .308 for deer. So effective. If you love the 30-06 try the 35 whelen.
I too enjoy the lower recoil. If I want to feel more recoil, then I’ll shoot my .375 Ultra Mag.
Wished you had tried with terminal accent. That is copper shank and bonded lead. I hear they are amazing
Vote was wrong!
Shootability is same with brake
Accessibility is same
Versatility is same
Drop...30-06 wins
Power...30-06 wins
Overall 30-06 wins
308 only wins in small action gun selection
But plenty of 30-06 rifles out there
What about the length of the bolt on each rifle? I can shoot my 700BDL in each caliber and constantly perform faster action with the 308, could help in some hunting situations when a fast follow up shot is needed
My argument for the 30-06 is it gives you a bit more options when it comes to different types of hunting. More than enough for the deer woods but very capable on elk. With the same grain bullet it outcompetes the 308 in velocity and if you hand load you could load down to 308 levels for a lighter shooting rifle. I think it sits perfectly between the 308 and the 300 winmag!
Love your work, gents! Wanted to share: A friend and I went hunting for Russian Boar at Tioga Ranch in PA end of April 2023. I used my 7mag but my buddy used my M700 in 30-06, using the exact same Federal Blue Box Powershock 180 grain rounds you're testing here. One shot on his hog, about 220 pounds, anchored it. The damage was absolutely devastating, the entire thoracic cavity looked like it went through a blender, and the bullet managed to exit on the far side of the animal. I did NOT expect such performance out of Federal 180 grain blue box ammo.
Y'all are zeroing in on a fantastic video format. The camera angles are great. A touch less background music would suit my taste better.
Keep these coming!
Excellent quality video, lighting and photography top notch. The really only difference is the 1/2" case length advantage of the 30-06. The 06 will shine with a slower powder, heavier bullet and longer barrel for larger North American animals (and your shoulder will immediately feel it). For deer, the .308 or 6.5 CR is excellent.
Both of the cartridges should be tested with equal bullet weights. I'm sure there would have been fewer differences between either loads .
Great video guys 👍🏻 ever thought about doing the tried and true 243 vs the new kid on the block, the 22 Creedmoor?
30-06 vs 300 win mag or short mag or both. I already know the outcome but hey would be fun with heavy and light bullets.
How many yards away are you guys shooting the gel, if i may ask?
My all-time two favorite rounds. 308 because my grandpa gave me a Winchester 88 in 308 when I was 9, and 30-06 because my uncle who took me hunting all the time, and loved and used the 30-06.
I get warm fuzzies whenever I load up either, thinking about the family history
Thoughts on 45-70 and other big thumping cartridges shooting all copper. Will the slower speeds still expand?
😁 Thank You For Putting On This Series! 🥳 What I Am Hoping People Get Out Of This Is: 1.) People Realize That You Don't Need a Magnum To Kill Any North America Big Game Species (Except As Recommended For Grizzly 🐻's)! 2.) That Bullet Selection Is More Important Than Caliber - Again, "No Magnum Necessary"! 3.) That Copper Bullets Are Very Affordable, But Still Can Provide Some Of The Best And "More Than Adequate" Penetration On Big Animals! THANKS AGAIN FOR PROVIDING THESE VISUAL AIDS! GOOD JOB GUYS! 👍 WELL DONE! 👏👏👏
Holy cow, y’all did it again! Can’t wait to see results..😃👍
During the recent shortage, there were times when I couldn't find .308 anywhere. As for .30-06, even though it got to be exorbitantly expensive, I was *always* able to find it.
"Case closed" as far as I'm concerned
Actually, I found the opposite to be true where I am from. Could always find lots of .308 and no .30-06.
I prefer the .308 over the .30-06. They are both very close regarding ballistics.
@@stephenparchewski1998 I agree with .308 being better for a few reasons. Your argument is a good one for having rifles in both calibers, imo.
The rifle I purchased was only offered in .308 and not .30-06. To be perfectly honest, I don’t believe there is a true winner, but it will be interesting to hear what they say.
@@stephenparchewski1998 lol Same here, only for .30-06
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Hunted with :06 until the 2020 ammo shortage, bought .308 because I could find it everywhere. 150 grain bullet, out to two hundred yards on the average MO whitetail, have no problems with the .308. Now I hunt part of the season with one caliber, finish with the other.
Great video guys. I always look forward to new releases. I like the .308 for it’s lower recoil and almost identical performance. The .30-06 is a great cartridge, but the .308 wins for me.
like that you can tell they have FUN, but also give you the hard data
308 can’t push a 215 berger hybrid at 2800+ with RL-26. 30-06 can. Game over
You can practice with .308 for cheaper than you can with 30.06.
Cheap surplus 7.62mm NATO is everywhere. However, you will still want a premium rifle using a Premium 308 load to actually hunt with though and you still should actually practice with that rifle and that load before you actually go out hunting with that specific rifle ans specific load.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian Maybe 20 years ago it was.
@@FinalLugiaGuardian if you’re a handloader thats basically a wash. You can load whatever projectile in either over a reduced charge of H4895
Good luck finding RL26 anywhere
No animal could tell the difference
Dead is dead" lighter bullets at more speed kill better and faster. Less powder to eat meat.
Any chance of this test using the 16" 308 tikka vs the standard length. But keep the rifle weights as they are. Then see the gel results?
Good test, but you should have used identical bullets AND bullet weights. I think you would have gotten much closer results in the gel test, with the 30.06 wound cavity being slightly larger with maybe even LESS penetration. Heavier slower bullets penetrate deeper to a point. There is no doubt in my mind that the 30.06 is superior to 308, but depending on what you're using them on any comparison could be moot, like stepping on a bug with a size 7 shoe versus a size 10 shoe.
Do the 30-06! I would recommend that to anyone weighing your decision unless a few extra lbs of recoil was significant to them. Given your affinity to the 300wizzzzzzzem I think your good. Great podcast as always fellas.
You have a great head to head format going here.
A few ideas for upcoming projects.
450 Marlin vs 45-70
.204 vs .22-250
.243 vs 6 Creedmoor
17 Hornet vs 17 WSM
17 HMR vs .22 Mag
.17 HM2 vs .22 LR
.22 Hornet vs 17 Hornet.
7-08 vs .308
9mm- .40 SW
357 vs .44 Mag.
.338 Rum vs .338 Lapua
……….
You get the idea.😊
I would like to have seen the results with 165 gr in both cup and core and copper in both 308 and 30-06. I have never been a fan of 180 in 30-06. Only deer I had to look for and didn’t find till the next morning was a double lung shot very nice 8 at about 175 lbs and just under 200 yards shot with a 180 Gr Hornady sp..165 Remington PSPCL are good enough for me. Good video guys.
There's no way 308 should've beat the 06 in versatility. It can shoot anything the 308 can, but better.
Love the podcast, BTW. Always look forward to new episodes.
Great video! Thank you guys!
I’d really love to such a comparison between 6.5 PRC vs .308 specially copper and CX bullets!
Should compare it to the 6.8 western
But we know hornady wouldn’t let that happen
@@lk9456 I think no doubt that 6.8 western is better than both 6.5prc and .308 the problem is even Winchester and Browning gave up on advertising that awesome cartridge and not many gun manufacturers are making rifles chambered in 6.8 western specially after 7prc. I think 6.5PRC vs .308 is nice comparison, most of the online comparisons are 6.5CM vs 308.
I’m also very curious to know the ballistics of a 6.5 prc necked up to 30 cal!
@@Damon1359 the 6.8 is a lot better then 6.5 prc it shoots heavier faster and is much more comparable to the 6.5prc then a 308 tho 6.5 owners won’t wanna see all that marketing from hornady they gobbled up look like bs
Hornady said they won’t support it and killed a bit part of the 6.8(.277) market because they don’t see potential in it, which surprisingly came right after the 6.5 which it edges out and just before they released the 7prc which edges out the 6.8 but requires a bigger bore, shorter for cal bullets of comparable weight and a long action
Almost like hornady was trying to boost their sales and people eat up their marketing like they’re the ammunition benchmark
Good job nice seeing you again Ryan
I want to know if the 308 is good enough to use on big game hunting like Bison, Bear, and Moose for example.
Yes it is! 👍😁
I saw show a few years back a guy took a bison with a 30-30.
Bison can get to 3,500 lbs, here in Montana, and one was documented to have reached about 3,900 lbs! Thus, that and the Grizzly Bear are the only 2 Animals that I will be reaching for my 30-06 over my 270 Winchester! A Nice 200 Swift A-Frame for them too! 🐂
Love the ten minute talks I’ve learned a lot from you guys, keep ‘em coming!
Great video! Hope you could do an episode comparing the 260 Remington and the 6.5 Creedmoor. Maybe a 300 RUM vs a 300 PRC.
Thank you, gentlemen, that was very helpful. I'm hoping to get my son a rifle, and being in Kansas, without Elk nearby, I think, based on your evidence, he'll do just fine with a .308.
Now, with the calibre being the same, the faster bullet will always win. However, these cartridges are no joke. Not many animals walk away from being shot with either; the difference regarding performance on game is very minimal. I prefer the .308 because it is a smaller package (shorter cartridge, a little less recoil).
Can we get a 7mm show down, 7mm-08 vs 7x57mm vs .280 AI?
"Barely"!! 😂😂😂
Entertaining and at least for me, very educational videos guys. Thanks so much!
I think you used the wrong criteria for "accessibility". For me, it would be how readily I can find suitable ammo on the dealer shelves/websites when I need to buy ammo. THAT'S how "accessible" the ammo is. From what I see around my area (Kansas), it's close to a toss-up, with the -06 possibly having the same slight advantage in MY test that the .308 had in yours.
I have a 7mm rem mag. Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Special Edition. I have never been happy with it as far as shoot accuracy. I used to shoot a 303 British, and it was a great rifle all around. I was always pushing my shots too far. I never lost an animal but wanted something with a little more power for elk and moose. I've been comparing 308 and 30.06. I think the 30.06 would suit me best. Can you tell me what model is best. I'm looking at 400 to 700 yard shots.
They are both great cartridges. I've shot many thousands of rounds out of both in competition and harvested deer with both. The military went to the 308 for a reason/s and it doesn't make decisions lightly. While the 06 has a slight (vary slight) ballistic advantage it's really negligible in most situations. In the end, IMO it's personal preference. That said, I have many 308's for hunting/competition, and two 06's, one hunting, one match rifle.
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Thanks for the comparison 👍
I propose another set of tests. Shoot identical mono 150s side by side with each cartridge. Likewise a common 150 cup and core. Likewise both cartridges with a 180 Nosler Partition, or AccuBond
Shooting the same test with different bullet weights skews all perspective
Oh boy! An opportunity to give my unsolicited opinion, lol. In my area, I'd say availability between the 2 results in a tie. As far as the 308 replacing 30-06 in the military, I agree with the reasoning behind it. (Please note I have no actual military experience.) For anything larger than deer, I would select 30-06 as my round of choice. Finally, I want to thank you for such a great and informative video.
Love the production quality
Loving this new format!!!
Y'all should do the 3 PRC cartridges compared
Question for Mark - I'm looking for a new optic for my .30-06. Curious which Vortex optic you have on your Remington?
Can you guys please do a 300 Winchester Magnum VS 300 WSM
Thanks, guys. Love the video 🙂
I'd say this comparison is pretty much spot on, but I would give the .308 more of an advantage in accessibility. I usually see 20 to 30 different ammo choices for .308 at a gun store versus 5 to 10 choices for .30'06. And actually the .308 Win/7.62x51 usually has the best selection of any rifle caliber, including .223/5.56. It is worth mentioning that .223/5.56 is usually more plentiful, which is different than selection. This is a recent development and was a major factor for my latest rifle to be purchased in .308 Win caliber.
I agree 100% with 4809's thoughts. I wonder if the greater availability of .308 ammo is a result of recent AR guns being offered in .308 but not in 30-06? The popularity of .308 AR PLATFORMS probably accounts for the popularity(and availability/variety) of .308 ammo.