Scope Reticles Explained with Former USCG Precision Marksmanship Instructor Billy Leahy
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Getting into long-range shooting and confused, and maybe overwhelmed, with all of the scope reticles you can choose from in the market?
In this video, Billy Leahy, former USCG Precision Marksmanship Instructor, talks about the common optics reticles you'll encounter. He covers the following reticles:
Standard Mil Dot
Leupold TMR
Nightforce Mil-XT
Horus Tremor3
Vortex EBR-7C (MRAD)
Vortex EBR-2C (MRAD)
Vortex EBR-4 (MOA)
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On the Nightforge MIL-XT, you had 3 MIL broken down into .2 sub ten, not 2 MIL.
I knew someone would have already fund out, saved me typing LOL
Saw that too. had to check the comments to make sure I wasn't tripping.
One of the best videos on reticle explanation I’ve seen. Thank you for your service and for sharing your knowledge. EXCELLENT!
I never knew spending $2200 on a scope was cheap. Lol
Most optics cost more than the weapon itself a $2200 sniper scope is actually good when a sniper can range from $6K-$15k
Great video. Would have saved me time researching this for myself years ago.
I find it funny though: most people's go to argument for continuing to use an MOA scope today is that 1/4 MOA is more precise than 0.1 MRAD, yet in the MOA reticle the first hold is at 2 MOA (0.6 MRAD) where the first hold for the MIL scopes (aside from the original mildot designed in the 80's) is 0.5 MRAD.
I'm not actually making an argument for or against either, just pointing out that that particular argument holds no water unless the glass matches the resolution of the knobs: most important thing is that your knobs match your glass (I just learned this week that military mildot scopes on the M24 from the 1988~2014 had MOA knobs: this is heresy, it should not have happened, and I feel bad for anyone who had to live with that evil! I grew up thinking that this was just really cheap scope companies making scopes with MOA tooling because the company didn't want to invest in MRAD tooling: I had no idea Leupold was producing this insanity for our servicemen!). Unless you really love math, pick one or the other!
I had that scope. MRAD for reticle... MOA for dial...1/2 MOA clicks. BS is what the ARMY asked for
Yes I heard the same thing MOA knobs and MOA reticle or MRAD knobs and MRAD reticle !
DO NOT MIX !
I watch this video to go to sleep. lol
I was in the Army and we trained on simple Mil-dots with M-24 rifles. I never envisioned that reticles would be so busy that they are almost obscuring the target LOL. If I go out, a simple laser range finder is sufficient and I check my dope book for the holdover shot. Fast and easy and I can be assured my target will still be there.
Most higher end scopes offer performance that most people never use. Most people will sight in a scope at 100 yards and hope they can hit targets further out. Its like any other tool: learn to use it or use it incorrectly.
I wouldn't say "most".. If people are interested enough in a scope to pay $2k for it... then you can bet that they're going to be interested enough to learn how to use it--- at least watch videos about it... hints why we're here. lol
Speak for yourself
@@calholli I'm here to play a video game better lol. I can have any scope for free xD
@Rectify Custom Guns Over here they (Rich elite hunters) just buy what the Gunshop tells them what the best is. Then they buy the Smidt and Bender or Swarovski, zero it in at 100 meters and that is it. most have no idea of how these scopes work. it's all about status.
Wtf are you even talking about. There's a reason you zero your optic at whatever specific range. Consistency. Are you sighting in your scope for every distance? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing. I’m turning 60 soon, and decided to take up shooting as my new hobby and passion. I’ve been doing lots of research on scopes. I’ve pretty much decided on a Leupold scope that has the Tremor 3 reticle. Watching your video just confirmed my decision was the right one. Thanks!
I've got a mk 5 hd that fits that description, and it's good glass. A christmas tree helps a lot when you need to be able to handle targets at multiple ranges, since you can dial a solid baseline and remember the holds for the rest of the targets, and when you hold above a target, you can still hold laterally for wind, which is key.
I'm 6 minutes in and you haven't explained what a Mil is, but you've said .2+.2+.2+.2+.2=1 over and over, and at 6:17 you said 1+1+1=2 Mils
Dude, standard mildot explanation: first you tell me that the dots are 2 mils apart then you bracket 2 dots and tell me that is 1.2 mils??? Yeah, that's gonna take some more explanation
That's not what he said. The dot its self is .2 mil. Its like red dot scopes. Some are 2 mil some are 3. So what he said is measure from the middle of the dots so you're measuring correctly. Hope this helps. Take care :)
For me personally I use the Leupold for hunting because I won't shoot past 400 but have been using a Vortex for precision shooting at the range between 600-1000 on paper and so far I love it. Great video thank you for sharing it.
I use the Vortex EBR-2C reticle in MOA. I feel there are so many shooters who don't utilize the full potential of the reticle. Combine that with your rifles ballistics, and it's amazing how accurate you can be. 🤘
PST Viper 5-25x?
Correction on the basic mil dot reticles. They did not come out in the early 90s. I used them on USMC sniper rifles (M40A1) going back to 1983, and I believe they had been around even earlier.
Were you adjusting moa or mil?
How far off would yo be using mil measures on a moa scope and moa measures on a mil scope?
9.3.2024
Good video but your camera man sucks. When he is zoomed in he is should be zoomed out vice versa. When your drawing lines for examples i want to see what your doin
What is a "mil"?
@6:21 it looks like you made a mistake.. that should be 3mils in .2mil subs. I've never even used a NF scope, but I can see the tree is to aid in the windage and the marks above are saying 3 not 2 mil.
Thanks for that. I am building an ar10 .308 so im exploring the scope ideas. Never used one and know nothing about them. Just learned more with this one video than i thought I would. I really didnt understand what all that mess in the reticle even mean. Now I have a much better understanding. still got a ways to go but i feel better about it now. thanks again.
I’m in the same boat as you. It’s a big learning curve before buying.
I'm fairly certain that an AR15 in 308 is an AR10
On the Nightforce Mil-XT reticle, the first mil dot below the horizontal center is 3 mils wide from the vertical center, not 2 mils as you stated.
Exactly, I caught this as soon as he said it! Even above his finger saying 3mils
Phew - glad you commented that ... I thought I'd missed something critical - it didn't make sense for that to be 2 mil. Thanks.
bro i got so thrown off when i seen that as well.. i was like. i missed something here... lemme see if anyone else caught it or im retarded lol
Ok..just posted also. Thought maybe I was missing something. 😂
On the Mil XT isn't it 3 mils R/L off center?
That's what I was thinking too.
There are three. He was just explaining the example he drew on the board.
@@TacticalHyve No, he was wrong. He even spanned the three mils with the marker saying it was two. It's ok. It happens.
I think he confused himself when he used the 1 mil right as his reference to count the sub tensions out to 3 mils right (giving him 2 mils). That aside, he did a great job and would imagine it being a very informative and useful tutorial for shooters starting out with target style rets..
You screwed up the Nightforce Reticle and nobody noticed! How can the Main windage line be any different than the lower windage lines? If you go left/right 3 mils on the main line, then it also equals 3 mils on any lower line. You show 2 mils total width on first line under. Duh!
Guess the video description should have listed prerequisites for this class. This was like jumping into a sniper AP class without basic nomenclature studies.
Wrong on mils, u have 3 on the Nf
I would have liked to seen some range calculation examples using the mils/different reticles.
@5:50 wouldn't that be 3 mils and not 2mil? If it goes by . 2.. idk maybe I'm high but that's pretty straight forward math lol
@@SweetMooch yes.
6:00 isn't that 3 MIL on the horizontal marks?
During this video I at least twice tried to find parallax knob.
06:23 would be 3mil broken in to 15 .2subs not 2mil?
Looks like the tremor 3 is the best long range reticle
This is amazing, very professional and natural explanations. Thanks heaps really appreciate to info
You're very welcome!
Hmm he just went through and showed us how to understand what a reticle is doing.
Really all of this should be in the owners manual. But if you buy second hand odds are you won't have it if the manufacturer didn't put one out online.
Alternatives titles- how to understand your reticle, or why MILS are better than MOA.
Lol sorry my bias is showing.
Great content though.
Great video but I still need to find one dumbs in down ever more. I dont under MRAD, MOA, mil, wind angle.
Was wondering if you would give a review and thoughts on BDC reticles. Acss griffin and such. Didn't find a video on those. Ty. Great vid. I'm very picky on whom I subscribe to, this got my click.
the Griffin is amazing! I am running it on a short 6.5cm upper and with a 50 yard zero BDC using the first 4 mils is on with in .1-.2 mils the mil grid and tracking is right on the money
Seriously here, I'm an old fart that has only used irons. I just bought a 6.5 Creedmoor & have no idea what type of scope to buy to use. I need to see what the heck I am shooting at since I am 1/2 blind. I do not know the lingo of today so what the heck is a hold? I know you probably get dumb questions like this that are a pain to answer but Thank You.
ALWAYS put a zero in front of a decimal like .2 so we don't confuse it. 0.2 is clear. .2 is less clear especially when written. There's already dots all over those diagrams.
Am I wrong to see this as an "art" thats akin to polishing the brass on the titanic ...?
We're now seeing FIRE CONTROL SYSTEMS ... which do all the aiming for us.
Using a langer to range it, a reticle you place on the target, press and hold the trigger to AUTHORIZE the system ... which then waits for our inability to hold the rifle stead ... to encounter the alignment to the target which initiates the hammer-drop and the projectile to find it's "mark." ......? No dope cards. No mathing the "earth's spin" ... the HEAT, the bump of our heartbeats ... as we hold our breath to control elevation .....?
In fact, there's no reason to think we'd need to be any closer to the rifle than the range of a remote control which is programmed to "release ordinance." We could sit transverse to the position the rifle was fired from, so as the hornets nest begins to charge the location of that "oh so evvvvil sniper was ... as mortars and even artillery is dropping on it's head ... we're just watching from a position that's opposite to the rifle's vantage. Then, when done, we could release a chemical attacking agent on the systems of the rifle that disintegrate it ... with a grenade (or better, a claymore) underneath it ... which is our last "message" we can share with our rifle and those -lucky enough- to have found it. Ooooopsie poopsie. MA bad!! :)
Granted, I LOVE understanding principle; but when you're in the field, isn't it hard to think about nothing else other than who you are to kill another person ...? Even in agreement with it, all things being equal..? I'm not looking for a fair fight. Heck. I'd prefer the M2 .50 cal did my dirty work for me from the max effective range. :)
When you say the gap from one dot to another is 2 mil what does that mean?
I started watching this video to help pick a scope for my 77/22 ruger for squirrel hunting. Wow did I end up in the wrong place 😩
I would have you consider the Burris Fullfield 2 with the "Ballistic Plex" reticle.
It's a simple duplex with a couple hold over hash marks on the bottom crosshair, super simple and easy to use.
These are tough and inexpensive, I've seen them on 223's to 300 win mags and they hold up well.
Best of luck setting up your Ruger!
Such awesome, concise information. I finally understand this stuff!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is not the basics.. one must understand what is MOA vs MILS to understand this
@6:18 why would that be 2 full mils and not 3 full mils from vertical? 15 sub-tensions = 3 mils right? Also @8:40 those are distance refs not windage for movers ---as explained to me by another marksman (maybe wrong)...Dragonov style 5'9" human from horizontal line to numbered line is THAT distance so 5 = 500 meters 8 = 800 meters etc..Standard humans get fast mil by preset mils and number lines for quick shooting when needed. (no math) Also the massive amount of dots and mils below 10 on the scale are for Forward Observers to adjust fire for arty.
Back when I tried to join the Marines in January of 2002, they used a fixed 10 power mildot scope and they only recommended you get a Mildot Master. I never did pay much attention to the Mildot Master until later and when I learned how to use it, I was glad that I got one. But in terms of scopes, I always stuck with the simple mildot based reticles. That's all you really need and just remember to use the entire reticle instead of just part of it and you'll be fine.
it's a looooopold, not leopold.
You are wrong.
Hey, great video, but sorry... I'm still lost in the sauce.
As a former 13F I feel like the idiot in the class everyone rolls their eyes at when he asks a question. I should get this right? Mils are what we use to get our steel rain on target so this shit should be easy.
As for shooting, I'm a pretty alright hand with an ACOG or iron sights. That said, other than adjusting artillery fire, I have never been the long range guy. But I just built myself an DPMS rifle in .308 with an 18" barrel and a pretty sweet Vortex scope, and now I want to get ok with it.
Where do I start, brothers?
Great video brother, I keep coming for a refresher lol
damn ...there is sooo much i have to learn .....
On my hawke scope is on 10x zoom one midot 10 cm on 100 meters.
The pellet drop is 50 cm @ 100 meter on my fx wildcat , to hit the target shoot 5 mildots higher.
Great video of the reticle breakdown. I too teach the breakdown of reticles for quick engagements for military and for hunting. I use Training Sights as well during my class on how to use the holdover and for correction shots.
Thanks!
They all sounded so similar.
What do the mil marks convert to at distance?
1 mil is 10 cm @ 100 m, or about 4 inches.
Conclusion, basically buy a Termor3 recital cause that's what I use and it's the best compared to all of these... Roger That!
This is a great video, but don't watch it after a bottle of wine. This just doesn't make sense in this condition...
New entry Brownells MPO 3-18 to > double line reticle? is think is more good at low power, more visible with FFP
Hi. I have 4×40 tasco scope with no dots. How will i know how to aim when its zero on 100m and you want to shoot at target on 200m. Its my first scope are used to open iron...?
Used in my career..."translation"...used to deal with bad guys doing bad things.
You need to begin with a definition: a mil scaled reticle is a means to measure distance to target and can also be used for a bullet drop compensation function. For ranging just multiply target size in yards times 1000 equals X and then divide X by target size in mils equals yards to target. For bullet drop compensation function just zero scope to a placeholder distsnce and then transcribe bullet drop in mils to range card from zeroed distance to greater distances off a trajectory calculation for your bullet/velocity. That’s it.
That's what I was thinking. Once the mil breakdown is explained on the first couple it doesn't need to be explained again and again - basically the whole video was one of repeating the same basic information, which becomes tedious and redundant, rather than explaining how those measurements are put to practical use.
The same can be done with MOA reticles, though the formula is a little different.
On the Mil-Xt..am I missing something. When you dropped to the 1mil down in tree..isnt that 3mil to right..not 2mil?
super refined Kentucky windage.... great video
Thought to my self this afternoon I'm going to learn how to use an mrad scope.
This is the most informative vid I have seen,
You are an absolute mine of information.
Liked and subbed.
Thank you .
This is a great explanation, but assumes a lot of knowledge. Great for 200/300 level
I'd wish you'd zoom in with the camera. No one needs to see the entire frame of the instructor drawing pixels!!!
Great as far as you go but how could you possibly overlook the ACSS reticle, easily the budget friendly one on the market for years, outselling Vortex, I believe?
ACSS (Advanced Combined Sighting System) is a BDC not a Milling Reticle. I know a BDC is historically referred to as a reticle, but the terms have diverged over the past decade: a BDC is not a real reticle 😉.
In all seriousness, unless you get a custom printed BDC for your rifle shooting your load they're not going to be accurate. And if you decide that you're bullet wasn't performing this year and want to change it, you have to send your scope back to the manufacturer to get a new BDC printed and installed. With an MRAD or MOA, if you change your ammo you go on an app and enter that round's data, calculate a new set of comeups or holdovers, and you're ready to rock 5 minutes later.
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@@wilfdarr wtf are you talking about😂 BDC reticles have been sending people 6 feet under for almost a century now. You have no clue about what you’re talking about! I am hitting 10” plates out to 700 using an ACSS and 77gr MK262 The ACSS took this years Army Marksman ship Unit comp, you should slap your self!
Don’t listen to this guy he has no clue.. the reticles in this video are for precision fire, BDC is for AR15 type fighting rifles, if you are looking for ACSS mil type reticles look the ACSS Griffin Mil for SDM and the Athena BPR mil for precision fire.
@@gunblasterr I've had amazing success with the primary arms 1x-6 LPVO on my Ruger AR 556 16" 1:8 twist. It's so damn easy to transition from 50 to 500 and everything in between. I'm not getting MOA at 100 yards, "Best 5 group has been 1.25" with Blitzking 55g match rounds and Hornady Frontier 72g BTHP" but I'm also doing this from prone and not any kind of shooting rest led slead which is more than sufficient for my needs. It's funny how some people make such wild claims with so much confidence like it's almost they believe their own bias nonsense, "not you but dude that claimed it wasn't accurate". I'm sure if I used some REAL match grade ammunition and a proper shooting rest then I could get MOA but if I can reliably hit a 12"x12" steel square at 400 yards easily with cheap brass cased pmc bronze 55g or cheap pmc 62g m855 then I'd say the reticle system is more accurate than I'll ever be.
Thank You so much Tactical Hyve for your teachings and sharing your knowledge to the masses.
You're welcome!
😥 My scope only has 2 lines that cross each other. Luckily I am very flukey hunter and almost always get my critter. Hope my luck holds out.
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Wtf is a mil?
It’s a unit of angle known as milliradian.
What are mils, what are subtensions, what are stadia, this is about as helpful as drinking seawater
man what bull , mil=milimeter??? ii this is 2 millimeter you are talking about 10 centimeter ?????
@6:40 i think its 3 mil to the right not 2 mil or maybe im not understanding it correctly. From the red vertical line to the number 1 mark to the right should be 3 mil
How about the Nikon Monarch 5 20x50 scope mounted on a 20moa rail?
I really wished I understood what he was saying… I need a more basic video I guess
Loo-pold
Tremor3 in the hands of a well trained shooter must be unreal accurate.
Doesnt mean shit if the gun can't pull decent groups lol
Guns can only ever be "so" accurate
Ive had 5 shot groups pulling into 0.18 moa at 100metres then at 300 that same loads spreading em out to 5 moa
Then loads shoot rubbish at 100m then at longer ranges pull in better.
At the end of the day theres a cone of accuracy and its never gonna be perfect.
But it should get you there because we are shooting at minute of human lol
I’m not here to be an armchair quarterback.
I just want to complement you on a very well executed block of instruction.
Are you correct at 6:32. It looks like 3 mils ? It says 3 mills on the main line above it.
No moa ?
I didn’t get how zoom settings affect range measurements
And with all of that great information what I took away was you need to be able to count to 5 or 10 in a dozen different ways and still no explanation on how to put any of this to everyday use . One dot ,two dot is my target 6 foot tall at 100 yards or 6 inches tall . You could do land survey with the detail in these scopes most of us just need to know where to hold on a target 100,200 or 300 yards and how to tell if we are aiming at 100,200 or 300 yards !
video is to explain the designs not teach you how to use it.. i doubt your hunting deer with a DMR at 1200+yards with 3 crosswinds while it runs at 20mph and your shooting from a +200ft elevation so you are watching the wrong video.
It's nice to have some minor additional data for traveling windage too, "hunting, self defense purposes". I like to have a 3mph and an 8mph lead picture with my scopes and it never gets in the way.
MILs is great but feel a great number of people use MOA scopes such as myself - would love to see a MOA vid too. Cheers
He did.. you didn't watch it.
@@calholli I think because it was DOMINATED by MILS on this video and there are so many BETTER MOA scopes out there
18:47 MOA starts.
2 kinds of people in this world... those who shoot mrad and those who will shoot mrad
Moa is cool.. Because sub- moa means your a baby sniper
Just buy a rangefinder. Adjust accordingly
What the hell is a mil? Maybe you should start by explaining that first?
At 6:20 from center vertical out to the edge there is 3 mil and not 2 mil as there are 15 dots in total and each is 0.2.
Guess we just have to assume everyone knows what a "mil" is. In my world, a mil is a thousandth of an inch. Would have thought a video on the "basics" would have included that? Edit: NSSF has a great video to explain all this.
Mil is defined in the owners manual of each scope.
Or so I thought he said near the beginning of the video.
My thought exactly. That’s a huge assumption.
Pay attention dude.
The MOST important thing ... he did NOT show: how to estimate the distance given "the mils" ... 🤣🤣
Mil = Milliradians (one thousand of a radian), that is, 1m tall at 1000m far.
Great info, but a little too technical for a beginning scope buyer.
Prefer the EBR-2C in mil.
Does anyone know why the vast majority of Mil optics seems to still adjust in 1/4 MOA increments? I haven’t been able to find any that adjust with just straight forward mils. Would love to find a decent one so I can stick to learning this method
I'd say it's almost impossible not to find a MIL/MIL MOA/MOA scope in the past 5 years.
What is a mil?
There’s 6400 of them, which one are you referring to?
Great video, I personally only use iron sights and my freezer is always full, old school, nice and simple
Boringgggg
Did you lose a bet and we're forced to make this video? IMO ...its a video explaining what a ruler is and not HOW to use a ruler. For about 10 seconds at the end of the Leopold reticle, you gave some context of "HOW" with the 12mph wind example. 23min 35sec video with 10 seconds of practicle information. Anyone who doesn't have the mental horsepower to read a scope owner's manual, grasp the concept for application, then apply for their situation: REALLY should not be playing with live ammunition. You have a lot of knowledge and experience to share. A 30 minute video explaining the "How" & "Why" would be better than this "What/Where" waste of time you've posted.
At a minimum, 4,800 people disagree with you. Many need the what. The how follows.
First off: what is a mil ??
I have not watched this to the end yet but does he at any point explain what a MIL is?
I'm half way through the video wondering the same thing. What's a Mil? I thought maybe a Millimeter but googled it and it refers to a Milliradian. Tried reading through the Wiki on it and it makes very little sense. Clearly I'm missing something that others seem to know
As opposed to 360° on the compass, with the mil system, you have 6400 mils. It is overkill at short ranges, but as your range increases, the difference (accuracy) becomes more apparent.
@@BrimwaldImagine a circle with radius (for example) one mile. You are in the center, aiming at a deer on the edge of the circle. If the deer walks one mile (a.k.a. one *radius* ) along the edge of the circle in one direction, you must rotate by one *radian* to keep aiming at it. One milliradian is (as the standard prefix tells us) exactly one thousandth of that angle. And this works for any radius - one mil is exactly the angle needed to move one thousandth of the radius.
This works wonderfully with metric - take the range in kilometers and it tells you exactly how many meters is a mil.
Awesome breakdown.. I run a Cabela Covenant 7 5-35x56. Great scope for my 6.5 and I have another on my 7mm Remington Mag also.. Once a newbie understands these concepts, misses decrease rapidly!
Glad it helped!
I’m confuse when he says mil and how to line up my shots for those lines
Cameraman imho dont have good scope ))
If I was on a military development team I'd have, some adjustments to the optic, military arms specific- optical- caliber specific- indexes inside optical up to max range- specific, no real field adjust needed for range, just wind
If had indexes for wind speed would need like zero adjust
Just have to read the map
Here's an easy way to convert Mil's into MOA. (Number of Mil's) x 3.44 = MOA's. (Number of MOA's) ÷ 3.44 = Mil-radians.
Here's the proof of concept: for yards the are 3.6" in one Mil at 100 yards. And 1.047" MOA at 100 yards. 3.6 ÷ 1.046 = 3.43839541547. Round to 3.44.
For meters there are 10cm per Mil-radian at 100cm. There are 2.91cm per MOA at 100 meters. 10 ÷ 2.91 = 3.43642611683. Round to 3.44 as a conversion factor.
When you get a result in MOA from M-rads go to the nearest indexing possible. Say you calculate 15.46 for an MOA. And you have ¼ clicks on your turrets. The closest index would be 15.5 MOA. I have a mixed system, a mil/min scope. Have no problems.
counting like a second grader is not confidence inspiring
It would help if I knew if any of the words he said meant
Great Video! Thanks Billy. We are reticle with crosshair provider in China. your sharing is excellent. If any clients need reticles, contact me please.
Got a weaver scope on a hunting rifle with a thin horizontal line and thick vertical line cross the horizontal line then it stops like front site of the iron site so do i shoot my target at the tip of this vertical line or where it crosses vertical line normality do to the fat line its blocking target shot or kill shot never seen this before on a scope? Sorry the scope mounting ring are hiding the numbers or model.
Sounds like a German Drückjagd Scope...
Where do you teach or have classes for shooting?
What about a EBR-2D mrad ?