You make a solid argument for not rolling back the ball, however, I am 100% for reducing how long the big hitters bomb their ball for one reason: it is not at all environmentally friendly to keep creating these huge golf courses in order to support the long drive monsters. In 1950 you could not find a golf course over 7000 yards...now they are pushing 8000! In 1980 Augusta was 6900 yards, today it is close to 7500. The amount of wasted water and land to accommodate these new golf courses is disturbing. Examine the new courses being built in parched Las Vegas!! Watering all those golf courses alone will empty Lake Meade. We just can't keep wasting our natural resources so we can be thrilled by the act of a guy launching a 400 yard drive. Keep up the great content and discourse!!
Hate to break it but water is a commodity, whoever owns some can use it however they want and sell it to whoever they want. Freshwater is a global human rights issue, and limiting golfer’s distances is not the solution.
@@billybobthortenn4157 Hate to break it to you but you are just ignorant on the issue of water rights and how large golf course constructions are harmful to the environment (this is not a slam; you are just wrong in your understanding of the issue),. Owning water rights (which I do) does not allow one to "use it however they want". Hope I could help you out on gaining a greater understanding of the issue. Our global human goal should be to protect our environment for future generations!
@@greghoffman6295 you actually proved my point smart guy. If the agencies controlling the water rights approve a new course, the problem is with the agency, not the course. Big courses wouldn’t be built without first securing rights to the water they would need
@@billybobthortenn4157 You continue to make a idiot of yourself. If you really think the big golf courses do not consume much- needed natural resources, then you cannot be helped. As they say in the vernacular: google it! I will try to end this debate to save you from posting more ridiculous comments but I kind of enjoy reading your thoughts that make you look like a fool.
I run a Men's 18 Hole League on Wednesdays and most of the guys are Seniors and have moved up to the forward tee boxes so that they can compete with the younger guns. This move will really hurt them and I can tell you that some won't want to play if they decide to go through with limiting the travel of the ball. But hey, what do I know, every year its a struggle to fill the ranks and this will just make it worse. Not that most can even afford it now with inflation on the rise. 🤔
Exactly. Golf has been gaining popularity for several years and now they want to make a change that potentially impacts the enthusiasm. Just don’t get it.
I would just like to add to the comment above which was my point aswell. However im from the UK and it's even more prevalent in regards to our Golf courses being obsolete. We have many beautiful Golf courses that just cannot be played in tournaments because they are too short. Ok I get your argument about what does it matter what the score is under par at the end of the tournament. The problem becomes when the course is not being played as it was designed as none of the par 5s become a challenge and most if not all of the fairway bunkers become redundant. Lastly and this is how the Pros have taken advantage of the technology of the Golf ball. I'm a member at the longest shoot Course in the UK and a lot of people who come to play it find it too long and we have even lost members because it is soo long. That's how general day to day players haven't taken advantage over the Gold Ball.
You haven’t listed any problems. Par 5’s not being a “challenge” is not a problem. Low scoring is not a problem. The average handicap in the UK is 18 im sure plenty of people are using the course just fine.
Some good points made, guess you'll mostly attract people who disagree to comment here. But the governing bodies and organizations who are supposed to be the custodians of the sport should think carefully about implementing this. You hear the arguments, I don't want to see them hit it miles and wedge it on shoot -8. Well from a spectator PoV that's obviously not the case as if that's not what people wanted to see they'd go watch women's professional golf (unless there's some prejudice in the sport, of course not) as where the women play from even the longest hitters still have 3 in on most par 5s. And the skill set, even from these distances, the women's stats are generally better. So spectators like to see the power and low scores. Half women professionals don't have a sponsor, says it all. Who is going to pay to watch a professional sport where the pros are handicapped Vs club players if you make par a good score you may as well go watch your local clubs 16yr olds hit it 320 and shoot -4. As for making courses obsolete I don't get that argument. Over the yr you're talking about a couple of dozen select courses why do we need to make them longer? When the avg of the field is shooting 54 then maybe they're obsolete but if we're where we are it's not happening and equipment distance is fixed now. When was the last tournament 54 ever? For this elite 0.5% of players they what's wrong with shooting 62 on a Saturday that's the athletes. To understand the skill involved with this on the set ups they play on a tough week a scratch player would probably be 5 to 10 over par on a good day. Would athletics tell Usain Bolt it's getting too fast you need to run in Wellington's? Also the stats prove making courses longer only helps the bombers. Going in with a 6i Vs a wood is much tougher than shorter tees going in with PW Vs 7i. And as for the model rule, dangerous. So who's going to move first LIV or PGA could be a costly decision! So we'll probably see it at The Open and US Open.
You make a solid argument for not rolling back the ball, however, I am 100% for reducing how long the big hitters bomb their ball for one reason: it is not at all environmentally friendly to keep creating these huge golf courses in order to support the long drive monsters. In 1950 you could not find a golf course over 7000 yards...now they are pushing 8000! In 1980 Augusta was 6900 yards, today it is close to 7500. The amount of wasted water and land to accommodate these new golf courses is disturbing. Examine the new courses being built in parched Las Vegas!! Watering all those golf courses alone will empty Lake Meade. We just can't keep wasting our natural resources so we can be thrilled by the act of a guy launching a 400 yard drive. Keep up the great content and discourse!!
Man this is a great point and one I hadn’t considered. I really appreciate you bringing up this viewpoint!
Hate to break it but water is a commodity, whoever owns some can use it however they want and sell it to whoever they want. Freshwater is a global human rights issue, and limiting golfer’s distances is not the solution.
@@billybobthortenn4157 Hate to break it to you but you are just ignorant on the issue of water rights and how large golf course constructions are harmful to the environment (this is not a slam; you are just wrong in your understanding of the issue),. Owning water rights (which I do) does not allow one to "use it however they want". Hope I could help you out on gaining a greater understanding of the issue. Our global human goal should be to protect our environment for future generations!
@@greghoffman6295 you actually proved my point smart guy. If the agencies controlling the water rights approve a new course, the problem is with the agency, not the course. Big courses wouldn’t be built without first securing rights to the water they would need
@@billybobthortenn4157 You continue to make a idiot of yourself. If you really think the big golf courses do not consume much-
needed natural resources, then you cannot be helped. As they say in the vernacular: google it! I will try to end this debate to save you from posting more ridiculous comments but I kind of enjoy reading your thoughts that make you look like a fool.
Well said...... my thoughts exactly.
I run a Men's 18 Hole League on Wednesdays and most of the guys are Seniors and have moved up to the forward tee boxes so that they can compete with the younger guns. This move will really hurt them and I can tell you that some won't want to play if they decide to go through with limiting the travel of the ball. But hey, what do I know, every year its a struggle to fill the ranks and this will just make it worse. Not that most can even afford it now with inflation on the rise. 🤔
Exactly. Golf has been gaining popularity for several years and now they want to make a change that potentially impacts the enthusiasm. Just don’t get it.
I would just like to add to the comment above which was my point aswell. However im from the UK and it's even more prevalent in regards to our Golf courses being obsolete. We have many beautiful Golf courses that just cannot be played in tournaments because they are too short. Ok I get your argument about what does it matter what the score is under par at the end of the tournament. The problem becomes when the course is not being played as it was designed as none of the par 5s become a challenge and most if not all of the fairway bunkers become redundant. Lastly and this is how the Pros have taken advantage of the technology of the Golf ball. I'm a member at the longest shoot Course in the UK and a lot of people who come to play it find it too long and we have even lost members because it is soo long. That's how general day to day players haven't taken advantage over the Gold Ball.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences!
You haven’t listed any problems. Par 5’s not being a “challenge” is not a problem. Low scoring is not a problem. The average handicap in the UK is 18 im sure plenty of people are using the course just fine.
@@billybobthortenn4157 Can't you understand his comment? It is pretty obvious the problem he listed. Geez!!!
@@greghoffman6295 no not really. His use of English is poor, as is yours, and therefore extremely difficult to understand
@@billybobthortenn4157 It is obvious that you have a limited amount of understanding.
Some good points made, guess you'll mostly attract people who disagree to comment here.
But the governing bodies and organizations who are supposed to be the custodians of the sport should think carefully about implementing this.
You hear the arguments, I don't want to see them hit it miles and wedge it on shoot -8. Well from a spectator PoV that's obviously not the case as if that's not what people wanted to see they'd go watch women's professional golf (unless there's some prejudice in the sport, of course not) as where the women play from even the longest hitters still have 3 in on most par 5s. And the skill set, even from these distances, the women's stats are generally better. So spectators like to see the power and low scores. Half women professionals don't have a sponsor, says it all.
Who is going to pay to watch a professional sport where the pros are handicapped Vs club players if you make par a good score you may as well go watch your local clubs 16yr olds hit it 320 and shoot -4.
As for making courses obsolete I don't get that argument. Over the yr you're talking about a couple of dozen select courses why do we need to make them longer? When the avg of the field is shooting 54 then maybe they're obsolete but if we're where we are it's not happening and equipment distance is fixed now. When was the last tournament 54 ever? For this elite 0.5% of players they what's wrong with shooting 62 on a Saturday that's the athletes. To understand the skill involved with this on the set ups they play on a tough week a scratch player would probably be 5 to 10 over par on a good day. Would athletics tell Usain Bolt it's getting too fast you need to run in Wellington's?
Also the stats prove making courses longer only helps the bombers. Going in with a 6i Vs a wood is much tougher than shorter tees going in with PW Vs 7i.
And as for the model rule, dangerous. So who's going to move first LIV or PGA could be a costly decision!
So we'll probably see it at The Open and US Open.
Great comments and I’m with you on this. Just doesn’t make sense to me either. Thanks for the feedback!!!
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That’s impressive!