Art vs. Artist: Why Haters Target Helluva Boss & Hazbin Hotel!
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I will never understand why people constantly hate on something that no one is forcing them to watch.
It’s fun to hate on things, simple as that
ArtieceTB for example
@@jamesliamdyson2583 Why? You're so obsessed with hating?
I have to say that those people are very envious of Vivziepop. She's done something most people haven't. She created that one but two very successful shows best of an internet animation.
@@AceIsATherian I find it fun to go to shows I think are bad and see what I don’t like about them analyse see what they’ve done wrong see what they done right I find it fun. especially when it comes to character design
I’m starting to see this exact same unfortunate phenomenon growing among other animated shows. I can understand criticizing flaws in these shows but down right hating and abusing not only the shows but also the real people behind them is down right disgusting.
People have been trained to think of themselves as the ultimate critic, that their 'feelings' on a show are so important that the writers are bad for not aiming to appease that person and especially bad for not changing the entire show afterwards to suit that person. It's pretty disgusting the way people approach media in general these days.
just more reasons to lose faith in humanity i guess 😭
It's sad because these people feel entitled to commit the abuse they commit. Just like the abusers they claim to fight against.
@@ZentaBon That is what is so scary about these people is they present themselves as super heroes while committing entire harassment campaigns over not liking a show.
@@CartoonUniversefr!
For an adult show based in hell the fandom gets way more offended than religious people.
meanwhile religious people tend to be some of the most supportive fans
@@CartoonUniverseim not even that religious, and I support Vivzie's work. I've watched all of Hazbin & Helluva repeatedly, and I'm just having a ball with the amazing work she's made.
Christians watch the shows and like it
@@RoderickMcdowell-i3u exactly
Wow...!!!
People don’t understand how hard it is to actually produce your own passion project. The character building, story, how everything connects, the time it takes to make it, the MONEY to make it happen. Not every story is perfect, but Viv is doing her best. My very close friend and I are working on our own passion project. It won’t be easy, but nothing ever is. A lot of love and time go into making these kinds of things, people need to understand that. ❤
And that is the truth my friend
Hope your project goes well, it's great you have someone to share the concept with and to bounce off each other to actually work on it.
My own project is "12 years in the making", but is no more than 2 character fragments and some general plot ideas.
my gal, lets just say that i spend months making a passion mod for a game
but teh mod sucks in most peoples eyes, yet valve the makers of the game let me SELL the mod for money
hunt down the freeman moment
edit: id like to apologise since my comment was talking about a non-passionite progect, that was only used to make money.
@@TheFuriousMulatto i can say, ive tried to make a mod for half life 2
How ever, hdtf was never really made to be good and was only made so that the companies ceo could say that he worked on the hl series
And it worked and hes now working at bethesda,
How ever i can say that Viziepops hit show hazbin hotel was made for passion and the people and not for Viziepop to get a higher paying job
In conclusion, my example sucked lol
People really dont know what they have. Helluva Boss and Hazbin is such a huge step up in adult animation compared to the era before it of Family Guy and Simpsons, and yet people still call it childish and complain about swearing. She's setting standards here people, would you prefer to go back to Family Guy?
Both Helluva boss and Hazbin hotel are way better then that no good family guy
@@hannahbecker2309yeah there only a little bit better than classic family guy but leagues ahead of newer family guy and the countless clones
@@gustavofring5674 and that's the truth
Classic family guy is way better, this show is not funny at all has terrible writing and fetishizes gay people because the writer is a creepy fujo
Me personally I don't like that Helluva boss swears in every sentence but other than that it's pretty good not counting the sexual part because I'm not really into that kind of stuff.
To sum it all up, basically...
VivziePop: "I'm gonna try my hardest to make my dream cartoons a reality."
Twitter: "I took that personally, I'm offended, and I hate you!"
yup, haters get mad at Vivziepop because she made what SHE wants and they can't see past themselves.
Why would everyone hate her artwork? I'm disappointed that the others would say it about her artwork.
@CartoonUniverse I would appreciate it if others can give compliments instead of throwing hateful comments at her. I think she's sweet and awesome
@@raven121_u because Twitter. Its basically a place where all the keyboard warriors to fight their battles.
And this was BEFORE all her questionable stuff came out. I remember when hazbin pilot came out and no one knew anything about viv hazbin got torn to shreds by nitpickers. The people that beg for more indie projects tore this indie project to shreds. The stuff that came out after was just the justification
can't we just ignore the haters at this point.
I wish we could...I wish the haters would just shut the fuck up!!!!!
I have
I kinda agree, but I haven't seen such unwarranted and overblown hate in a while
I do
Kinda hard to when they make literal circles and groups based on hating Viv, her work, and the fanbase.
both series have been a lifesaver , Viv probably won’t ever see any of my comments but she and her crew saved my life
Losing the will to live vs ill miss the next episode of helluva boss or hazbin hotel
The amazing thing about shows like Helluva Boss is that they inspire other people to make their own amazing works of art
Edit: WHERE DID ALL THESE LIKES COME FROM??
Yeah😃
I been working on a comic book i am trying to publish and once it's publish i will find a indie animation studio to help me
@@hannahbecker2309Ayyy same!! I hope to release my webcomic in upcoming years! And if someone made animated series of it, that would be cool AF
@@hannahbecker2309 cool! I'm setting up a story for an indie TV series!
@@Cloud_Eats_IceCream that is awesome😃
@@hannahbecker2309 Thank you! I hope your project goes well too!
I always felt a lot of the hate comes from jealousy
Viv pulled the dream a Lotta artists can only dream of
Yeah
Always thought the same honestly….
@federicam4793 but it's no excuse to be a jerk
If anything, it's proof that artists like viv can make it!
@@Gooberwares yes! Of course! I meant that I also always thought that the hate towards her came from jealousy. That it’s only driven by the wish of being in her place. To me what she did is inspiring!!!
@@federicam4793 same she gives me hope
I think there's a difference between actually hating and criticizing as someone who doesn't exactly enjoy vivziepop's work i still let people enjoy what they want and dont harass the artists or anyone with different opinions thats the sad part about these kinds of things
And that makes you better than most people on Twitter.
Constructive criticism about Vizviepop's work in Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel is fine, but hateful and unnecessarily nasty comments are not. Saying that Vizviepop is a talentless writer and that she sucks is NOT okay!
You can think that some storylines in Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel are rushed (for whatever reason), that several character designs aren't your cup of tea, that many characters need to be more developed, etc. Those can all be valid opinions/criticisms to have. The only issue is when people are bigots about it.
Exactly, not everyone is expected to like the same thing. What a lot of people these days don't understand is just because you don't like something, doesn't mean everyone should not like it either.
@@littleboo2002and that is the truth
@@littleboo2002 Exactly, like I really do not like how Millie and Moxxie were used in Happy Campers or that Blitz didn't even consider visiting Stolas in the hospital, but I think Barbie has potential.
I don’t understand the so called hate she gets, I feel bad that she has to explain her character designs or is attacked for having certain traits in her characters that are seen as inappropriate and yet I see she’s the only one who gets this type of hate and accusations
It's wild, because the main characters (in terms of 'screen' time, at least) in Lackadaisy (Rocky, Ivy, Freckle, Mordecai) are basically the same body type, and I don't see any complaints there.
EXACTLY, though I myself don't know why she created hazbin hotel and helluva boss but I think her animations are Hollywood worthy.
Because she often acts ignorant, dismissive of criticism, and picks fights. She likewise goes out of her way to like and repost members of the community who are incredibly polarizing and badmouth critics of the shows, her art, Spindlehorse, and herself.
@@Kye9842 sounds like people are stalking her every move to try to get mad at her. I love the show and I don't even see half this stuff you're talking about. Sounds like they have an unhealthy obsession with her.
@@Kye9842 This comment right here. I respect her work and overall success it got, but if you continue to make the same mistakes again and again on platforms that are guaranteed to start an argument, then at the end, you can only blame yourself.
i love queen bee. she's amazing. her design is loud but that's the point. her lava lamp hair reminds me of princess celestia
It reminds me of donuts with sprinkles
Me too! I really love her design, she looks so eatable😋🍯🍭🧁🍬
Yeah I think she has the most personality to her design some people just complain her design just served it’s purpose by being chaotic
@@SDArgo_FoC Appropriate since she's the ruler of Gluttony
@@Ninapeachomp
You’re 100% right this is somehow an unpopular opinion but sometimes things ARENT meant for you and you shouldn’t expect them to cater to you. You’re here because you like what someone else made. If it’s not your thing it’s not your thing. Simple as. And you not personally liking something isn’t valid criticism. I hate the way these indie projects that the community begged so much for got torn to shreds even before all that stuff about vivzie came out. All that stuff was just the justification but people had already made their minds up about the series
Exactly!! I don’t like sitcoms, but I don’t go out of my way to tell everyone the show they like sucks just because I don’t like the genre. I’ve had people tell me they hate HB/HH, only to follow it up with “because Vivziepop sucks and also I hate music in shows”. So.. you don’t like musicals. That’s actually totally fine! Just don’t tell me that you think the show I love is horrible just because it belongs to a genre that isn’t for you.
At this point idgaf about what drama Vivziepop is in. She is ALWAYS in drama. Ima watch Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, and not give two shits.
Same, i don't like her but I still enjoy the show even if i don't really like some of their choices, i still have fun with it so 🤷♂️
Separate art from the artist both of her shows are great even if she may be unlikeable
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What i dont like is people expecting Stolas and Blitzo to be perfect people.
1. Perfect characters are boring
2. They are litterally demons in hell they will have flaws
It is ok that they do not handle situations perfectly. They can be selfish and stupid .
I love Vivzies art style and seeing her art was what inspired me to start drawing. And it was really suprising to see all the hate on Beelzebubs design cuz i literally gasped when i first saw her. Her design is creative and fun.
I have never understood the hate that Queen Bee's design gets. the design and the way they managed to animate it to look so smooth and natural its a jaw dropping feet. I am impressed every time I watch that ep or see a clip of her.
The criticism towards it has more to do with the fact that it just doesn’t look like how the incarnation of gluttony should look
@@gameoveror7970so what? It's unique and by God it would be difficult to animate everything that's happening with Bee, form you point of view you can come into this show thinking it's only lightly related to biblical stuff or anything else, Bee shows she's the sin of gluttony by her personality and to me that's more then enough
@@pumpkinpatch5 bee's actually have fur and even then Ozzie is very similar in that he looks similar to a Goetia like Bee looks similar to a Hellhound
@@oblivionlich5852 to be honest if you want to see a good portray of gluttony then look up Slaannesh from Warhammer
@@oblivionlich5852 honestly if you want to see a good portrayal of what sin of gluttony is actually supposed to be then look up Slaanesh from Warhammer
This fandom has some of the most entitled “fans” I’ve ever seen. Like they are owed something and want the creator to do what they want “or else”. And it’s gross.
Like, they shouldn’t determine the trajectory of what VP’s story is or where it goes.
Honestly, fr. They have such unrealistic expectations and when things don't go EXACTLY how THEY want it, they go absolutely feral
Helluva Boss and Hazbin is for adults never for kids. But of course stupid people hate on it because of...anything
its just gumball but swear
I actually like vivzipop’s art style!! ❤❤❤❤
same!
Its really unique and visually interesting don't get the hate for it at all
Same
People royally need to get over themselves the phrase “a show for everyone is a show for no one” is so true, has no one watched the into the panderverse special
I definitely think some people are waaaaaaaaay too 'protective' or 'passionate' over certain characters. For example, I liked Striker originally, but didn't care for the direction he took in Western Energy, finding it too corny for my my taste. I'm also not a fan of Stoliz, but oh my goodness, the swords people are willing to die on! I do miss a lot of the tone of season one, I can admit that. I'm probably in the minority on that.
@@jocelynsmyth6604yeah, people are crazy over some characters. I think my favorite character is Collin because he's nice and cute
@@jocelynsmyth6604 I agree it feels like season 2 is putting more focus on comedy than drama, not to say certain moments aren’t dramatic but some of it doesn’t feel right tone wise
I’m starting to get tired to see the same type of review with the same titles every time a new episode of HB drops: “everything wrong with the new HB episode”, “things I hate about the new episode of HB”, “the flaws of the new episode of HB”, “the Millie/Moxxie/Blitzø/Stolas/Loona problem”, “the new episode of HB is awful” and so on… and each time these videos are always produced by the same creators. I’m starting to think that maybe HB and HH is not made for you to enjoy, I think you should consider the fact you are obsessing over a show you hate just for the satisfaction of throwing s*ht at it every time a new episode comes out, a show that you watch religiously even though you have had enough clues that maybe, just maybe, it’s not your thing. Constructive criticism is always valid but at this point it’s just hating for the sake of hate.
HH and HB are better than most adult shows which are just family guy clones. Most of the hate for this show and viv in general I believe is just pure jealousy and envy(no pun intended) and spite, probably because they didn't come up with her ideas first, all they're doing is digging up info about viv from 10 or so years ago just to try and make people stop watching her stuff. All they do is blow hot air and just whine about every single small thing in the shows, "everything is too red!" "Stolas is a 🍇 and Stella is justified in abusing him!" "Viv hired someone with a fetish!" "This show should've stayed in deviantart" Someone even tried to dox viv on twitter. All it is is just pure jealousy and no criticism in sight, ESPECIALLY on Twitter. That being said, viv has flaws sure. But we all have flaws, it makes us human. But it seems the people trying to bring viv down just don't see her as human.
Those who don't have flaws are not at all human but hateful monsters who attack those who are humans with flaws and have common sense
This. This is the comment of all time!
i dont get the amount of hate she gets. she hasnt done anything outrageously horrible.
Thank you !!!! Thank you for saying that!
I'm not a Hater of Vivziepop, Because I'm a Fan of every Character Design Sheets like Hazbin Hotel & Helluva Boss.
I hate haters!!!!! Or as Blitz-O called them: "Twat-Stains"!!!
This all boils down to people not managing their expectations, and feeling entitled to being spoon-fed the exact content they want. I want to ask them how a creative team is supposed to please thousands of people with expectations they have no way of knowing until the episide drops.
Yeah that's practically one of the main reasons why people are hateful towards Viv, it isn't how THEY visioned it, so they gotta resort to harassment and slander. Like a certain someone I won't name who ended up as one of her most notorious haters because Striker x Blitzo never became canon.
@@DarrellMcKrell could you show people being slanderous to viziepop?
Headcannon: Pringle, the imp that serves Stolas present day, is the son of the old imp butler that Stolas had as a child we see in the flashback
I enjoy your show as much as the next guy but as a writer, I know to say that her show is not perfect and far from it. Is it entertaining of course, but there are many glaring issues that are easy to see.
All I can really say is that Vivziepop is an amazing artist and storyteller and she deserves everything she’s worked for! I tip my hat to her and view her as an inspiration!
That's ridiculous many people hate Vizipop for dumb reasons and I think the animation of Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel are good. Shout out to Vizipop, your awesome girl you the animators and actors your all awesome.
Of course there's going to be a lot of haters of Vivziepop especially with her shows and other projects. Heck I bet some people say that Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss offended Religious People and the Christians. What? That's just a load of rubbish and some people even hated the art style for no reason. Look I respect people's opinions, but if they are going harass Vivziepop and her projects, then they should get a life that doesn't involve harassing her and her work. All of the haters is like Arick Burnz from Mammon's Magnificent Musical Mid-Season Special all over again.😑
its crazy how art suddenly had rules when talking about other peoples art
art never had rules, but it had stuff that was considered immoral
I love Hazbin hotels because it physiotherapy of redemption and a second chance of a new life connected with me and I can see a new future for people who have done bad things but do deserve a good life and for helluva boss I love it because party gives me a new meaning of fun and the relationship of the character is so heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time that is beautiful and a party of beautiful animation in short I love vivzepop she not perfect but she is a truly amazing woman and artist in my eyes and her shows and characters make me feel better and happier every time they on screen she should not be hated to be in the middle ground of Twitter hated festivals and the world should known her🕊️😂❤️😁🙏😊😍👍🥰
The excuses ive heard is that vivziepop has done bad things? But i dont really know what they are talking about and when asking for evidence they get quiet and tell me to just search it up. Believing something in the internet wont help, and if she DID do it then it was like years ago? People change. And for the people who just hate the shows bc of "brainrot" is immature. They havent even seen the show so why would they have the right to judge it?
there are plenty of videos breaking down her supposed bad things, but they're all just complaints about minor personal issues, affiliations, attempts to connect with others even with HER being attacked for supporting others, but not those people she just wanted to show even just a tiny bit of support to.
Viv is an amazing creator, i really love Helluva Bøss and Hazbin hotel
i dont, i think that the representation of hell is not the best
I don’t understand this hate. Vivziepop is super talented and is incredible with her work! I support her 100%!
It’s because they have nothing better to do with their lives.
The hate is mostly just things that people don't like
@@Ayana-LTLASome yes but not all
vivziepops work is ok, I'm a person that watches some of her episodes, but I also do not engage with the fandom, my honestly, only problem with both of her shows is the fandom, because they've just been extremely toxic and hostile, there's nothing about her community that screams welcoming especially to new people. It just screams gatekeeper bully type energy all the time I've been keeping up with the show and watching everything, but the way how this community treats people in general, it just makes me not want to interact with it I also think people are obligated to not always like her character designs, but they can at least be respectful about it. I feel like people think just because she has a show and things people are obligated to always like her designs in like what she envisions, but I also think that's extremely toxic ,to put that expectation on others who just do not like a few type of things in the show personally, I do not like Husk's design too many unnecessary lights, I feel like his design was not really thought about or planed properly in my opinion I don't like how Angel's arms are not staying attached to his body. He's a spider, I think they should work on how to keep his arms together they shouldn't only come out at certain points or get a better animator for that but I'm not gonna tell people that actually like their designs that, oh, well, you should not like it because I don't like it my main problem with also the fandom is that they compare any other character that has the same name as the hazben hotel demons or whatever to her show flooding the coments with oh this must be vivziepop and I think it's the most annoying thing ever, because these are 7 deadly sins, these are also just random demons as well in the 7 deadly sins vivziepop is not the only person that uses the 7 deadly sins names for ocs and things I think it's pretty disrespectful of the community to do things like this, and I also think is disrespectful, and it overshadows people's characters and what they worked hard for, because all people seem to think about is vivziepop and like I said, I'm a big fan of the show, and all of that been watching it been keeping up with it both of the shows, but I honestly do not like the fandom more than anything apparently, we're expected to kiss her feet because what's she made a show, and nobody is allowed to not like a single thing about it, like and people just act like people look for things not to like about it, but there are some things that people genuinely just don't like about it. I'm not even a person that looks for things to, not like and shows because I have admitted that the shows are pretty good despite me not liking the community and it being extremely toxic, and me, not liking some of the things in animations and how the designs are
Once again this fandom is mostly good though its just a few basement dwellers who harass anyone who even remotely disagrees with their opinions
I totally agree
Well shame for those haters! Vizziepop is an excellent animator that makes such amazing and awesome adult cartoons. Those haters will get what's coming for them.
Yeah karma will get to the haters
So real!!!
the shows fell like an egdy gen alpha kid wrote DOOM
i personally hate how there is no a good female character development in heluva boss and it seems like its vivz fetish fanfic about gay men..even in hazbin hotel where the protag is a female the story still develops angel dust's, the flyig cats and alastors storylines again. Sad.
All I want to see from helluva boss is stolas being in a happy relationship by making things right
While there are some things I really dislike about vizipop, it’s so ridiculous and stupid to see people accuse her of being pro-Russia, a Zionist and yet also antisemitic for some reason, and a misogynist. It’s so dumb
The problem has more to do with the intrinsic toxicity of many fandoms than the show itself. Once you start using something as, let's say, a supplemental personality trait, rather than appreciating it on its own terms you start to feel like if there's something "wrong" with the media, there's something "wrong" with you. That piece of media somewhat defines you so if it goes in a direction you don't like you feel personally attacked. There's also something to say about the kind of person that uses media to supplement their personality (or lack thereof) in general as well. Typically the people who identify so hard with something they end up using it to at least partially define who they are, are doing so because there's a problem. A "hole" of sorts inside of them that they use the media to fill. That's just an unhealthy dynamic in general and can lead to a lot of unhinged behavior. Try to remember that shows, music, etc are a part of the creator, not a part of you. You're just a consumer of what a particular person creates and you're not going to agree with every direction they go. It would be pretty boring if they adhered to some arbitrary set of rules as to not stir up the most toxic elements of their fan base anyway. Basically, just chill tf out and try to enjoy stuff and be disappointed if stuff you like starts going somewhere you don't like, but don't act like you've been betrayed or personally attacked. It has nothing to do with you, you're not why the creator makes art you're just along for the ride. The creator owes you nothing. I don't like when a creator ends up feeling pigeon holed due to the expectations of their fanbase. An artist should be free to express themselves, not have to try to express what an amorphous online army wants expressed all of the time, forever, or else death threats.
beautifully stated.
even if everything was perfect, people will always find something to complain about
yeah Vivziepop may mess up sometimes but she doesn't deserve this
29 minutes in
No she does not
to error is to human, the important thing is to learn for the mistakes we make.
@@embermotodoes she?
Jealous of success and also are just biting at the biggest fish
2:59
Doesn't have to do anything with the video
but i just realized that in this scene Angel Dust has only one set of arms
I think people hate soley for the sake of hating. There is no like and dislike anymore. There is no more "well I don't like this show, I'm not going to watch it." Its all "I hate this show AND SO SHOULD YOU! ITS HORRIBLE AND EVERYONE WHO LIKES IT SHOULD ROT IN HELL!"
There are also people who hate it because it doesn't follow what the fans want/expected, but then there are people who hate it if it does follow what fans want/expect. There is no winning, it's all losing.
People forget why they fell for the show in the first and now everyone has headcanons and expect to get those headcanons even if it doesn't make sense. (it's almost like dating a gamer, knowing they are a gamer, and then shocked and mad they are a gamer, what the hell did you expect was going to happen?)
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...
Some people now a days are so stupid
@@hannahbecker2309 "some" is an understatement. lol
@@littleboo2002 but it's the truth
Vivzie is a bold artist! It takes a lot of guts to make the shows she made! Her shows remind us that not all demons are evil.
I think most people forget that Viv is a human being too, I feel most of it is out of jealously, they're jealous that someone's work has gained a huge following, they're jealous that she got successful but hey that's just what I think.
Viv harasses SA victims
Vivziepop has a unique art style...while it may be unfitting it times it reminds me alot of those cartoon network shows from the 2010s and i kinda get nostalgic everytime i see it for that said reason
@JustMiaMakingStuff
With her series and art, Vizviepop defied the status quo of how animation as a whole should be made.
And, honestly, after all the awful live action remakes and sequels that Disney has made for the past few years, Vizviepop's 2 series are just what I needed.
I don’t like Family Guy. At all. But I’m not doxxing, dragging, and slandering Seth MacFarlane on social media. I don’t yell from the rooftops how anyone who likes Family Guy should “make themselves ghosts” because I personally find it annoying. I don’t rally strangers online against Seth Green because he’s a voice in the show I don’t like. I just.. Don’t interact with Family Guy content. I see it on my timeline/fyp/recommended and scroll past it. And I don’t understand why other people don’t do the same. Maybe I’m just too old (24yo) to understand the younger, current generation of fandom and its inherent toxicity that previously was less widespread. There have always been haters, but it feels… Worse… now. It’s not infighting like Harry Potter or dangerously dissatisfied fans like Voltron, it’s fans vs nonfans all the time. And this influx of nonfans interacting with content they clearly don’t like is hard for me to understand.
Tbh I'm surprised most of the hate isn't coming from christians. They tend to hate a lot of things and think everything is a sin. Remember when Pokémon came to the US? Yeah, those cute little creatures were called demons lol. But honestly the ppl hating just need to get a hobby, or some friends, and actually do something besides spread negativity. Hating just to hate doesn't make you look cool.
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@@CartoonUniverse oh boy
(off topic from the video)
When I was younger, I did see the 'Die Young' animation, and I never knew it was made by viv. I loved it when I was young, and I still am a huge fan of her works. I honestly find this funny, because I've only been a true fan of viv for about 1 or 2 years.
i would like to apologise for my rude comments, its was stupid of me to compare viziepop to hitler
i do not have to be forgiven
A lot of the people that are way too negative about stuff like this, don't get one of the most important aspects of a story.
It's the Creator's Vision not yours. Criticism is meant to help make that vision clearer and more polished (Constructive Criticism) but when the harshness and/or hate of the critique gets to a certain point it ends up not actually helping make that vision clearer (Negative Criticism).
There are probably some expectations to this rule (stories where the general consensus by pretty much everyone is that it's bad (stories that are made with no actual heart or passion in it), the line between constructive and negative can get blurred sometimes), but in general this rule applies to most stories cause for most stories there is genuine heart and passion in it.
Stories are an art form at the end of the day.
In all honesty, I haven't even heard valid criticism before, aside from 2-3 minor videos saying "Not perfect, I'd rate it 7/10".
I'd like someone to genuinely tell me what they think is wrong with Helluvaboss/Hazbin Hotel.
(I'm not chronically online, so I have no idea)
I just say let the haters talk all the trash they want some episodes of projects can be hit or miss but in the end, Viv, the VA's and the Spindlehorse crew are loved by the fans who appreciate their great work.
Yeah, even though it has some writing issues, the crew deserves respect. It also should not be held to the standard to complete perfection, as it’s better than most Netflix shows already and it’s completely free
@Argo123_.0 Personally love the writing Adam's can be a bit try hard but he's funny so whatever
Hates always have to hate something. I hate haters
HH and HB are the best. I loved when I saw Kesha in the show cause that Die Young video was when I found Vivzepop. And her design was better than what I had in mind❤ Viv is doing great in my opinion
if ppl dont like the show bc of the writing or something then thats fine, its not ur thing. most of the hate for the show is aimed at vivziepop herself. all vivziepop dramas are pretty much either accusations with 0 evidence or contradictory evidence, lack of media literacy, or vivzie being bad at responding on twitter. the exception had to do with the dog character JJ which was friend drama that shouldve NEVER been public. all the drama is dumb and vivzie needs to get off of twitter for her own sake.
Well there are surtently red flags. Her studio regularly posted/posts job listings wich is a red flag. Studies have shown the work places with good pay, and a good work envaierment have generaly less job listings dou to employees not quiting that much, whaile work places with bad pay, and a bad work envaierment have more job listings, dou to employees quiting regularly.
I can agree with Viv needing to leave Twitter for her own sake.
There have been so many people that have "cried wolf" with the show that I kinda hate the fact I likely won't give real problems that may come up the time of day because I just don't care anymore and ignore every nontroversy.
See, i can understand if the shows aren't someone's cup of tea, that's perfectly fine. The shows were never supposed to appeal to EVERYBODY. But there's no reason to hate on the creator just because you don't like something they did in the past, which i feel is the main reason people hate on Vivzie
The stuff from her past is always just an excuse. they make piles and piles of reasons to hate this poor woman while doing insanely vile things themselves.
There’s been some real criticism about some weird stuff like how they talk about trans men specifically that im not happy about but like spoiler alert there’s probably way worse people working on big name cartoons that you don’t even know about. I’m more concerned about people talking about how some spindle horse animators don’t get paid enough and that all the og voice actors getting snubbed never had enough of a reason behind it:
I, for one, like this art style.
I love the shows, but I can see some criticism and I can understand that people have opinion, but yeah harassing someone just like that and use that reason for excuses is stupid
It seems to always amaze me how and/or why people like to complain about stuff like this. I personally enjoy Helluva Boss because of the uniqueness that it has to offer. Now, while I unfortunately can't afford to support the show on its merch, since I'm a college freshman majoring in digital arts, I'm glad that stuff like this exists in the first place.
People like myself do hope to get into that industry someday as, at least for me, expressing myself through art brings me joy since in a way I'm putting a piece of myself and my intrest out there like Viv and other artists. Plus, in my opinion, when sharing my art, I like to bring a glimmer of joy to those who see it since currently working part-time in retail is tough so my art is a way to bring that goodness to the world.
Every time someone like VIVZIEPOP is successful, the pathetic haters appear and attack her to make me feel better about their miserable lives. I wish Vivziepop would learn to ignore them.
Personally, I like both HAZBIN HOTEL and HELLUVA BOSS
I find it so RIDICULOUS how people criticize the Vivziepo series so much, every time a new animated series comes out I always find videos of how ''the new series is better than HAZBIN HOTEL'', as if that made them superior
Just enjoy that we are in a new age cartoon animation Renaissance and youtube vivziepop is an original artist trying to make original material thats more than what we get on tv✊️🌈💗❤️🔥.
Like all trolls and haters their nothing more then just jealous losers with no talent or taste
Amen ta 'dat!!!
Yeah! And not only that those haters and cybertrolls are also brats in adult bodies!
@@hannahbecker2309 what’s the difference
@@fantasy-writer-v5z yeah
I do miss the Target of the week plot from the 1st season of Helluva Boss.
Hi I really love your OC!! I’m going to check out the story of the white dots… my daughter made a helleverse OC; she’s a rosy maple moth that is Valentino’s daughter that Valentino doesn’t know about. The OC does not like her father. That’s all we’ve developed so far, wish I could show you a pic of it! Anyways I always appreciate your content!!!! Love your channel and your insight
I always love hearing about people's little hellsonas and what they say about them.
I love the shows, but I can see some criticism and I can understand that people have opinion, but yeah harassing someone just like that and use that reason for excuses is stupid
I love Beelzebub because to me she represents all the joy and inspiration Viv's creations gave to me, because I was one of the old fans that met her work (I also met Kesha) through the die young fan animated music video, and seeing her accomplish so much makes happy for her but also gave me hope in myself, she started with SpeedPaints on RUclips and look where she is now! I can also do that
Criticizing a show and even not liking it is fine, but it’s definitely aggravating when people think that means they can harass people that do like it, work on the show and use that hate for their own clout.😡 Not everything that gets made is made for everyone and people need to get that as well as stop bullying people with different opinions/fave ships/fave characters.😤 I love “Hazbin Hotel” and “Helluva Boss” so much and I’m glad to have joined the fandom despite the haters who want to just yell at people like me for loving these shows.🩷🩷🩷
Also, I hate when people draw a redesign for a character and add the line “I fixed it” like theirs is the undeniable good one.😡
I love hazbin hotel and helluva boss. They're both visually appealing and I've found a lot of comfort by watching the two shows. ❤
1:06 Honestly, I'd LOVE ta see Zoophobia as an animated series itself...But Viv's got enough on her plate as is...
I honestly feel like its one of the few things that works better as a comic and wish she'd make that a patreon exclusive or something! The appeal of Zoophobia was that she created such a large elaborate world with so many characters, and that's so hard to pull off in animation. She does it so well with the hellaverse, but zoophobia was built off of every single chapter just transitioning in and out of different stories, and I hope in whatever form it takes we get to see that large picture of its world.
I love how Blitz and Fizz BOTH suck at cooking
I grew up Christian and Hazbin Hotel/ Helluva Boss are my two favorite series 😅
YOUR NAMES DEEP CUT?
do you like make music with squid and octo language in it? LMAOO
18:18 lmao, the guy who introduced me to the Hellaverse is 13😂
I was 13 when I was introduced to the Hazbin pilot by my friend of the same age in art class. All he told me was “there’s a lot of swearing”, which was and is the case for like 95% of RUclips videos, so I didn’t give it much regard.
Keep in mind, fully fleshed out TV shows made for RUclips, albeit one episode, weren’t really a thing at the time, and the premise intrigued me. So 13-year old me decided to give it a watch and was instantly hooked! Was I too young to watch it? Absolutely. But again, it’s not like RUclips is this super child-friendly website to begin with so I didn’t think much of it.
I know I’m rambling, but I find it kinda funny. I am totally obsessed with Hazbin and Helluva, but I don’t think I would be nearly as into it if I was introduced to it today. I may not even watch it. I think the fact that I was able to grow with the series really contributed to my enjoyment of it.
That's when I started watching it, so about 1-2 years ago.
It's terrible how much toxicity exists towards artists. If you don't like something don't wach it. If you are disappointed in a way a show went why not read fan-fics where it went more to your liking? Hell, I myself read a lot of fics where Stolas and Blitz have a normal relationship even marrige in some cases. Or if you have the talent and guts for it write a fan-fic yourself.
People need to exept that NOTHING IS PERFECT and NO ART IS FOR EVERYONE. There are people who are gonna like your work and their are going to be people who will hate it. What you need as an artist is to take in and consider critisism, yes, but you also have to accept that there ARE haters and that your art can't appeal to everyone. And you deffinitly should not bent over backwards to make your art appeal to the haters.
You don't like this? FIND SOMETHING ELSE AND LET PEOPLE ENJOY WHAT THEY ENJOY.
Seriously to all the artists out there, your brave for sharing your work.
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Yeah I was expecting Beelzebub to be a humanoid fat bee or something like that yet we got a slim really bubbly social butterfly (ironic I know) bug hell hound fusion and that’s not a bad thing because bee is my favourite helluva boss character even now and her song “cotton candy” is one of my favourite songs
The slim part isn’t really that because fast metabolism does in fact exist
I will never understand why people constantly hate on something that no one is forcing them to watch, I don't know why adult show based in hell the fandom gets way more offended than religious people, but what I do know adult show based in hell the fandom gets way more offended than religious people.
Its corny, its old, but statement stands true... they are extremely jealous. Its really sad how many people have developed such a strong " main character" syndrome that they feel entitled to verbally abuse hard working people for succeeding in an area they couldn't.
People have no idea how hard it is to create complex fiction. They rather focus on destroying, which is bloody easy in comparison.
Yes, constructive critique is fine but you need to wait until the product is kinda...you know..finished?
HH and HB is such a surge in quality in comparison to the formulated, cookie-cutter animation bullshit from the past thirty years of coorperate hell.
And an artist and Vivziepop's stylle not being mine. Ill say this, i really do like the concept of her drawings. Its raw, its cool, a bit childish but hey thats fine. Better than other animlistic shows ive see. Like Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel are a better artstyle than say Steven Universe or Ben 10 (i like all three of those shows so no hate). Yeah people can be critics but my god. Calm down. Its not your art. Let the artist be proud of their work without the degrading. I see degrading as a sin since ones putting another doen for their own gain. No.
In a world of soulless, corporate bullshit like anything the big mouse is pumping out these days, viv's work is a godsend. Nuff said.
Imo because her show is popular she like other very popular people are held to a super high standard of being always 'good' and never saying or doing anything morally wrong.
OR
People hate the show and thus need a reason to hate Viv.
I mean the only reason I didn’t like Hazbin hotel is one after the other episodes with plot, plot, and more plot. I would have absolutely loved it if instead of 2 minutes of the gang hanging out that was a full Length episode and we got to see one on one connections between the crew except for these specs if the dynamics. That is my only criticism but still both are good shows with their flaws and shines. Both accessible on RUclips or Main Media and they’re wonderful.
Twitter is a terrible place they even bullied Kit Conner (From Heartstopper) into coming out of the closet. Mind you he was 17 not even 18! Twitter followers harassed nonstop just because he had girlfriend and they called him a “white entitled and a rich prick” just because she was a successful actor in one Netflix show. Mind you Kit has always been a good person online and offline. He never did anything at all to warrant any hate. He was just doing his job as an actor and living his own life as a teen. He just shared that he was dating someone and some people went apeshit for no reason 😑
It goes against their message. Disney says ppl are hating their trash because they are homophobic, racist bigots. Then why are people living shows like Boss that is full of LGBT? Because these good shows have character and depth. Characters learn they aren't perfect and grow. While bigger producers make Mary sues and dogsht stories that make no sense or actively destroy the canon of the ip they are in. So if ppl like this but hate their garbage then the blame must fall on themselves via logic. This is something they will never stand for or allow to be .
Fandoms in general has a tendency now to be very toxic, discourse being a personal attack and not hating is seen as a slight. I think fandoms gotten too nitpicky and too angry
As far as im concerned the Bee problem is so odd to me. Smt has beelzebub in different forms so there isnt a right or wrong in her being the way it is.❤
The thing is, for the most part folks like this mostly just enjoy pissing in other people's cornflakes.
Many will provide reasons, but they don't care if their complaints hold up, are real, or are even sane. Being right isn't the point, your bowl of cornflakes is the point.
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I like beelzebub since she was first on screen in the episode maybe I'm simple but I really like beezebub so yea I am a guy who likes her also patreon sounds like a great idea to help those you like while also not knowing what your going to get from it like a prize draw which is really cool and exciting
I don’t understand why there’s so much hate.They hate on everything.They hated on Charlie’s main character problem?
way i see it, the people that hate on her do so cuz they either have no life or hate themselves, that or are just plain stupid and self entitled