Never paid much attention to the cpu socket, but gpu screws have the little paper tabs on top of them that show if you’ve removed it or not. Replaced thermal paste on my gpu and in the process ruined those stickers and voided warranty
thermal grizzly developed it, aliexpress sellers copied it. give credit to the company that actually spent money developing instead of suggesting copies.
@@reddeadleisure the Chinese knockoffs have poor tolerances and material is well, depends on who on aliexpress you buy from, some are 3003 ffs. Enjoy playing Russian roulette with a 500USD processor to save 20 bucks lol.
@@RedTeamPlay Yes, lol indeed. And Scalpel is just a steel knife. Have your surgeon cut into you with a trench knife if you even need a surgery. Its basically the same thing, what can go wrong? Right?
Thermalgrizly not only designed and pioneered this solution, but employs people at a living wage and offers a superior product. Also manufacturers it in Germany I believe. That's why it's $30.
why would I even pay 30 bucks, for just a metal rectangle? I mean, it ain't even hard to build. Like, if they drop a CAD design, everyone can literally CNC it out. It's not even hard to acquire resources for it. 30 bucks is weird for it.
NEVER say that de8bauer is some youtuber. Without this man, there would never ever be smth like this. HE MADE IT in cooperation with Thermal Grizzly. And it's price for thier componenta is coming from the best eq to create this. Quality man, over bs.
not being critical just clarifying, I think der8aur owns thermal grizzly, at least he is one of the owners as they merged companies, the wording "in cooperation with" is from products made before the merger i believe, but now he is a co-owner.
@@casualgameplayyt Please. Learn how these products are made, from scratch. Then ask that question again. It's not only about buying milk. The price is not just milk, right? It's the whole process and technology used behind getting it under your nose 👌
@@casualgameplayyt you got a metal block for yours? better return that its supposed to be a small metal sheet cut to exact dimensions. So then your question becomes, how to make a machined metal device with a better shape than a 180 billion dollar company could do.
"Some companies try to sell these for like $35 bucks" ah yes... the original team that originally engineered the solution of this problem gets called a ripoff for selling a premium bracket made out of aluminium rather than being a cheaper option. That 'company' also did all the investigation to figure out this was an actual issue, so they did all the R&D and instead of providing for that company that actually is on your side your calling them a ripoff.
@theendoftheline but $35+ for it is steep you have to admit. They probably could have made it out of a plastic polymer and produce like crazy with a small injection moulding production line. I do get it. It's a product that not many people will buy and if they do, there is no need for ever returning for more. It needs a high price for it to even be worth selling
„There are some companies selling these for 35$“ That‘s the company who literally invented this….this idea is from Roman, der8auer which is the owner of Thermal Grizzly. Also contact frames from TG are anodized aluminium, dont think you can precisely CNC machine those and anodize them for 5$.
@@bastitube8694 Out of date info. That company was founded in 2015 and is no more. In 2020: "Eike and Roman merged from sole proprietors in 2020 to form the newly founded Thermal Grizzly Holding GmbH" So Roman, derbauer is the owner of Thermal Grizzly, and yes, Elko Salow is the owner of Thermal Grizzly. They are Co-Founders of the new business from 2020.
@@BrunodeSouzaLinooh ok i see your confusion now in this comment (saw your comments elsewhere first) this is literally a corrective contact frame... he didnt claim to invent this, as thats essentially what the original clamping thing is, a contact frame. All they are claiming is to have engineered better dimensions on their frame for better contact THATS IT, you are just confused what is being claimed
I’m actually in the process of changing my cpu cooler since it’s been overheating my cpu for up to 100c. I’m running the i9 10900k. What temps can I expect to get if I replace and renew everything?
@@Zynphii Changing paste and upgrading to a large tower cooler or AIO (240MM or larger) would drastically drop your temps. Depending on your airflow setup, you should be able to lower your temps by 25-40 Celsius.
@@Ilikedagames-rf2fx Right now I've got the 360mm corsair h150i (along with 6 air fans) and like 30 mins ago, I just cleaned out the dust and put in some new thermal paste. Temps have dropped but not as much as I had hoped since when I changed the thermal paste the first time, it was hovering around 65 - 75 when gaming. Now it's about 75 - 85.
The Aliexpress ones are usually not as good being either thicker or slimmer and have imperfections preventing a proper contact so yes spend the extra money and get the right thing
Thermal grizzly may be more expensive but der8auer pioneered that contact frame replacement and his are much better in terms of quality control and margins of error and are designed with those lines so that they can be precisely installed without a precision torque screwdriver
Steve at GN did a nice review comparing a couple of these, I bought mine based off those tests, and then as thanks I bought some of the coasters he sells.
The 35$ Thermal Grizzly charges is with it, because it's made in Germany and was the First of it's kind, also you always get perfect quality but I can understand that most people don't want to pay that much
That is because the knock offs are usually made using molds where as Thermal Grizzly machines the ones they sell. I believe Thermaltak does as well, but I know for a fact the aliexpress ones are just cheap mold made knockoffs.
Thermal grizzly one is typical overengineered German garbage, not only is it more expensive, it's also inferior because it 'floats' above the motherboard and requires just the right amount of torque to ensure perfect pressure on the CPU and to function as intended. The cheap thermalright one sits flush on the motherboard and all you have to do to install it perfectly is to screw it until it bottoms out on the motherboard. It's literally a foolproof design compared to thermal grizzly. No idea why derbauer didn't do this.
The $35 ones are better quality, and have marks to aid in getting proper tension. As well as instructions. I bought the cheap one, but followed a guide from Gamer's Nexus. If you don't tighten it correctly PC might not boot or PCIe lanes or memory slots might not work. You will have to re-install the bolts properly. If you slip you can bend socket pins or break motherboard traces. Be careful. Also if you don't use a contact frame always put the cooler on when CPU is in the socket, it helps counteract this phenomenon.
No der8auer a german found out and develop this. From him is the high price product😂. He made a whole series even in English over the development steps.
Someone in my town is selling A AMD Ryzen 9 5950x paired with a rx 6900 XT master for 1800 with a full set up is it worth it ? This is my first PC Thanks
1. This short is from October of 2023. Contact frames for LGA 1700 came out in April of 2022. A bit late there, chief. 2. The thermal grizzly frame you pointed out was one of if not the first to enter the market. They're machined to a tighter tolerance than cheaper frames, which is why the price. Der8auer did a video on it when they released it... In April of 2022... No RUclipsr "just discovered" this a year and a half later. 3. New Arctic cooler models ship with contact frames for Intel as standard mounting hardware (Liquid Freezer III and some air cooler models) Though these models are newer than this short, it's a good FYI if you're looking for a new cooler and a contact frame. LFIII are awesome BTW.
When I bought second hand 13900k (400 eur, barely used with warranty), the seller recommended I get one of these, especially told me to get the cheap one so I got one few days later along with a motherboard. Tested with and without and found a 7C difference with my custom loop, and it only cost me 10eur with shipping. Was well worth it. Been running it since january this year without issues
"this youtuber" (whom you don't link to in any way btw) is Der8auer, the CEO of thermal grizzly which invented that contact frame, don't frame them as some cheapskates who are only trying to make a buck doing the same thing the knockoff chinese companies are doing. It costs money to innovate, and cheaping out on something that needs tight tolerances like that is a bad idea. Buy the thermal grizzly frame, don't mess around trying to save $30 with shady businesses when youre working with a $300-600 cpu
by the way void warranty things they’re illegal in the US so if you see them and they void warranty, contact the US government and sue them to get that money
Bro my friend is building his first pc and he was expecting to get a 12400f but he found an insane combo at Microcenter and now he’s getting a 12900k 😂
Someone in my town is selling A AMD Ryzen 9 5950x paired with a rx 6900 XT master for 1800 with a full set up is it worth it ? This is my first PC Thanks
Some do complaining about the original screws can't be used. They are too short, because the grizzly model is too thick rather than the thermalright one.
It's an inferior design, it 'floats' on the motherboard and applies pressure via specific amount of torque. Thermalright sits flush on the motherboard so all you have to do is screw it in until it bottoms out.
Thermal Grizzly is the original. Der8auer literally did all the research and development on what the knockoffs use. Now, does it mean that those cheaper ones don’t work? No, they probably do just fine but are definitely not as high quality material and coating.
i have done it to a ton of motherboards and its 100% worth it. Also i recently sent an evga motherboard in for repair and they didnt void it. The key is to keep your stock mounting bracket and just toss it back on and no one will know
honestly i would buy the thermal grizzly frame, there’s been people having issues with it the cheaper ones not being machined to the proper tolerances and actually decreasing performance of the cpu. maybe only for certain defective ones though
@@reptileescape3619 no matter how you look at it its 100% worth increased fps, increased stability, longer lasting components due to less heat, and you can easily revert the change if you need to send it in for a warranty like what the other guy said, that amount of performance loss from just heat is INSANE
Hi. It really works! I have it on my 13600K system and it’s pretty amazing. Also, the structural rigidity by having the aluminum contact plate gives you peace of mind that the heavier cpu coolers will stay put and not warp the motherboard’s pcb. Cheers! 👍
This is cool but I don’t think that video in your screenshot was about this. That video was about offsetting the cooler position down because when they viewed the CPU with a thermal camera, it shows that the main source of heat on the chip was not directly in the middle of the CPU
I've been using the OG contact frame of this kind, the Thermalright LGA1700 contact frame, with my 12900KS and the chip seems to like it a lot. Idling temps are in the mid-20s all the time and gaming temps never hit 70 C. I'm quite pleased and will use one of these frames in any build going forward.
the 35$ Version is made by the youtuber that first found issue with Intels 12th gen processor's and is "made in Germany" 😅 but as gamers nexus found out the 5-10$ version from thermal right is nearly the same quality.
It helps, doesn't eliminate the bending. The socket interacts with metal close to the socket, where the cooler attaches to the PCB farther away. You would need a very thick backplate to put enough pressure on the CPU with a cooler to counteract this problem. Simpler and cheaper to get the contact frame. Also many good coolers are slightly Convex to put more pressure in the middle anyway, if the CPU conforms it will still go Concave. Go see Gamers Nexus and Der8auer channels if you want the science. In a recent one Der8auer used a CNC mounted laser to measure across a 14900k and you can see how dished in it gets. In the end does it matter for most CPUs? Probably not. But it's very cheap and it works. My take, if you are pulling under 150w you'll probably get away without one (but you can pull more than that on non-k processors these days by adjusting TDP limits)
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 I guess the more rectangular the cpu, the higher the risk is. So nope not gonna buy current intel with this kind of mobo design. Not willing to spend 35 usd or help the cheap knockoffs. Maybe 15th gen intel or a better mobo design
"Warranty void if removed" stickers have been deemed invalid under consumer laws in countries like the US and Australia, so it tends to hold no legal power if you do mod a motherboard or open a gaming console (such as to clean out the dust or replace storage or thermal interface).
It doesn't happen "over time," it happens immediately. I built a machine with a 12th gen cpu, and two days later I removed the cooler to make a change due to excess temps. The pattern of the thermal compound showed that the CPU had already buckled. I put in one of these contact frames and the temps dropped considerably with the same cooler.
Confirmed it works nicely. Although I don't have personal use case comparison data because I heard about bent CPUs before I built my current PC and thus made sure to do this modification during my initial build. Comparing average data against my data does show my PC runs cooler.
I always build with these. For the lga 1700 i buy them for the bending issues of those CPUs. The AM5 platform doesnt have bending problems but they still sell these for that platform under the same rational of rigidity. The real reason to use these on am5 is because that allows you to remove the ILM from am5 which usually prevents 90% of am4 coolers from fitting since am5 comes with that simpler but less compatible 4 screw mounting system just like 2011 has.
« There is a compagny that did the RnD and did all the testing and sell it from amazon but you can buy it from a chinese guy that steal the concept and sell it cheaper of aliexpress » There, i fix it
I was considering this before I got my i9 14900k. It’s running instant 6ghz on vine bench for 30 minutes highest temp was 92c without thermal throttle. Liquid aio, thermal paste I spread with spatchula and raised it by less then a mm (or it felt like it) where the coolers had bad contact(near the backers or in the centerline if you’re reading the text on the processor it’s from the sides down the middle,) just add a little extra and then I put a small dot in the center to avoid air bubbles. Carefully placed it. Tightened it down…. Everything works great *knock on wood* and I couldn’t be happier I didn’t get the 13900k
“Other companies are trying to sell this for 30-40 bucks” literally thermalgrizzly from Germany who invited the lga1700 frame and precision mills it. Ofc a Chinese knock off of a bracket is a fraction of the price, but the whole point is to be able to trust the quality and precision of the name brand one 😂
They never accept your warranty anyway.
idk man I just did it twice with msi
This couldn’t be anymore true 😂
just put it back on, nobody said the stock bracket was taken off😂😂
I have never have anyone accept a warranty.
True lmao
This sounds amazing, but I actually need a PC first.
Hope you can save the money and build one soon 👍🏽 so much fun and amazing to have a pc YOU built by your hands 🥲
Save at least 600-700$ if you’re gonna make a pc. And you can buy used parts don’t listen to some people you save a lot.
Me too 😂
@@LprogressivesANDliberalsL progressives 💯 L liberals 😀 L LGBTQ 👌. That's what I'm talking about baby! 😂
lol
Just put the old one back on if you have to send it out for repair…
Exactly what i was thinking lol
That’s what I did, they can’t tell you removed it lol
Some coolers have their own retention mechanism. They don't void them. I don't see the difference.
@@tfkoincognitothis is what I was thinking
Never paid much attention to the cpu socket, but gpu screws have the little paper tabs on top of them that show if you’ve removed it or not. Replaced thermal paste on my gpu and in the process ruined those stickers and voided warranty
My square CPU WITH EQUAL SIDES: I don't have such weakness
7800X3D 💪
@@pattyd343 Intel I5-2400 🗿
@@pattyd3437950X3D
@@CALEB-kt8mni5 2500k💪🗿
Isn't a square also a rectangle? Should be the same problem on square CPUs
AM4/AM5 : *laughs on perfect square*
I wonder if there are still any cooling benefits to am4/5 contact frames...
@@ethereal41it's mostly cosmetic
@@maximus3294 oh, thanks for the info. I just saved myself 5 bucks!
Square superiority
Perfect square with shit temps
thermal grizzly developed it, aliexpress sellers copied it. give credit to the company that actually spent money developing instead of suggesting copies.
Damn... That crazy!.. Im still not buying it
@@reddeadleisure the Chinese knockoffs have poor tolerances and material is well, depends on who on aliexpress you buy from, some are 3003 ffs. Enjoy playing Russian roulette with a 500USD processor to save 20 bucks lol.
@@anubhavmuku96it’s just a metal rectangle lol
@@RedTeamPlay Yes, lol indeed. And Scalpel is just a steel knife. Have your surgeon cut into you with a trench knife if you even need a surgery. Its basically the same thing, what can go wrong? Right?
@@anubhavmuku96Exactly. And a Thermal Grizzly one doesn't cost much as well.
Thermalgrizly not only designed and pioneered this solution, but employs people at a living wage and offers a superior product. Also manufacturers it in Germany I believe. That's why it's $30.
I see 60$, so, no. I won’t be supporting their metal rectangle
why would I even pay 30 bucks, for just a metal rectangle? I mean, it ain't even hard to build. Like, if they drop a CAD design, everyone can literally CNC it out. It's not even hard to acquire resources for it. 30 bucks is weird for it.
Cool story pal
@@samanawayadatta891 It have much tighter tolerances then random chinese crap.
That is true but where I live the aliexpress stuff that can ship to me is $1.52 and thermal grizzly is $102 for me
Give Der8auer the cred he diserves and not flashing his product and glancing over the increased cost of products made outside of Asia.
8 not 5 bro @der8bauer
@@werterdererste ops 👍
let's not give dropshippers credit & attention for things they didn't design, kids
@@werterdererste der8auer
@@LiquidSnakeSSJ4 Thermal grizzly originally developed and made the product, though.
NEVER say that de8bauer is some youtuber. Without this man, there would never ever be smth like this. HE MADE IT in cooperation with Thermal Grizzly. And it's price for thier componenta is coming from the best eq to create this. Quality man, over bs.
not being critical just clarifying, I think der8aur owns thermal grizzly, at least he is one of the owners as they merged companies, the wording "in cooperation with" is from products made before the merger i believe, but now he is a co-owner.
Thermal Grizzly be making those big $$$, how much does it cost to make a small block of metal with a hole cut in?
@@casualgameplayyt Please. Learn how these products are made, from scratch. Then ask that question again. It's not only about buying milk. The price is not just milk, right? It's the whole process and technology used behind getting it under your nose 👌
@@casualgameplayyt you got a metal block for yours? better return that its supposed to be a small metal sheet cut to exact dimensions. So then your question becomes, how to make a machined metal device with a better shape than a 180 billion dollar company could do.
@@casualgameplayyt Im sure well see your metal block version on the market soon ;)
"Some companies try to sell these for like $35 bucks" ah yes... the original team that originally engineered the solution of this problem gets called a ripoff for selling a premium bracket made out of aluminium rather than being a cheaper option.
That 'company' also did all the investigation to figure out this was an actual issue, so they did all the R&D and instead of providing for that company that actually is on your side your calling them a ripoff.
You expect him to do more research than the bare minimun?
@@DerpyPannycake you expect people to reply to you seriously? lol
Also they have an even better version for 14th gen out already, hasnt even been copied yet since its all about tight tolerances.
@@theendofthelinethe irony 💀
@theendoftheline but $35+ for it is steep you have to admit. They probably could have made it out of a plastic polymer and produce like crazy with a small injection moulding production line. I do get it. It's a product that not many people will buy and if they do, there is no need for ever returning for more. It needs a high price for it to even be worth selling
I saw MSI technical support stuff replying that installing this frame doesn't void warranty
Did they mention that the warranty is void the second you take the motherboard out of the box though?
„There are some companies selling these for 35$“
That‘s the company who literally invented this….this idea is from Roman, der8auer which is the owner of Thermal Grizzly.
Also contact frames from TG are anodized aluminium, dont think you can precisely CNC machine those and anodize them for 5$.
No, Eiko Salow is the owner of Thermal Grizzly
@@bastitube8694 Out of date info. That company was founded in 2015 and is no more. In 2020: "Eike and Roman merged from sole proprietors in 2020 to form the newly founded Thermal Grizzly Holding GmbH" So Roman, derbauer is the owner of Thermal Grizzly, and yes, Elko Salow is the owner of Thermal Grizzly. They are Co-Founders of the new business from 2020.
@@theendoftheline 👍
Contact frames have been part of server CPU sockets for years now. This is not a new idea.
@@BrunodeSouzaLinooh ok i see your confusion now in this comment (saw your comments elsewhere first) this is literally a corrective contact frame... he didnt claim to invent this, as thats essentially what the original clamping thing is, a contact frame. All they are claiming is to have engineered better dimensions on their frame for better contact THATS IT, you are just confused what is being claimed
ive been saying this about contact frames on basically EVERY pc build video. Dropped temps on my 13900k with a triple rad aio 11C
I’m actually in the process of changing my cpu cooler since it’s been overheating my cpu for up to 100c. I’m running the i9 10900k. What temps can I expect to get if I replace and renew everything?
@@Zynphii Changing paste and upgrading to a large tower cooler or AIO (240MM or larger) would drastically drop your temps. Depending on your airflow setup, you should be able to lower your temps by 25-40 Celsius.
@@Ilikedagames-rf2fx Right now I've got the 360mm corsair h150i (along with 6 air fans) and like 30 mins ago, I just cleaned out the dust and put in some new thermal paste. Temps have dropped but not as much as I had hoped since when I changed the thermal paste the first time, it was hovering around 65 - 75 when gaming. Now it's about 75 - 85.
@@Zynphii change the fan speed in bios. Or whatever you're using to control fan speeds
@@jandkwhite6459 I normally play warzone 2. What rpm should I set my fans to? Currently have them on 1500rpm when playing. I’m using the Lian li case
The Aliexpress ones are usually not as good being either thicker or slimmer and have imperfections preventing a proper contact so yes spend the extra money and get the right thing
As a laptop user I found this very useful 😢😅
Ah yes the problem is only on desktop cpus not on laptop cpus
@@sokerok320its sarcasm
Honey well ptm 7950 exists
@@sokerok320r/woooosh
@@saisandeep2289 that thing is so expensive unless you live in the US.
Thermal grizzly may be more expensive but der8auer pioneered that contact frame replacement and his are much better in terms of quality control and margins of error and are designed with those lines so that they can be precisely installed without a precision torque screwdriver
Second hand mobo squad represent! 🙋🏽👋🏾 my warranty has been long gone 😂
Well you are in luck my friend. I am here to contact you about your motherboard's extended warranty. Act fact before it's too late. XD
@@berritoyou just have to send apple gift cards $$$
This has been around for a while and I'm pretty sure it was der8auer that discovered it and created the contact frame.
the $35 Thermal Grizzly one is just better machined than the $5 one, the guy who made it put lot of time into it
And was the inventor of the contact frame, not sone cheap knock of...
Im kinda pissed he doesnt even creddit him
same, he put so much time into advanced cooling of CPU's, its a shame
It's just a metal square... I understand wanting to support the original creator tho.
@@user-ke1gn3ql1g Extremely accurately machined metal square. Your processor lid might be less quality then the mount for it.
Steve at GN did a nice review comparing a couple of these, I bought mine based off those tests, and then as thanks I bought some of the coasters he sells.
These have been around since the 12th gen launch and have been fully covered by channels like Hardware Unboxed.
The 35$ Thermal Grizzly charges is with it, because it's made in Germany and was the First of it's kind, also you always get perfect quality but I can understand that most people don't want to pay that much
My prebuilt has this installed and it's worth it.
You are gonna be impressed that this thing is even working on a 12100f like a charm
Your using it?
@ultrat00n yes yes I do
It’s well worth it
why would that impress anybody?
The company selling it for $30 pays people enough to sleep in a bedroom on a bed.
When I will try to use my warranty I will just replace the brackets back and be like:
New brackets? Never heard of those
get the thermal grizzly one though because the thermalright ones and the knockoffs because the tolerances wont be as well
Thermalright makes some good shit through.
That is because the knock offs are usually made using molds where as Thermal Grizzly machines the ones they sell. I believe Thermaltak does as well, but I know for a fact the aliexpress ones are just cheap mold made knockoffs.
@@Skilow not as good as derbauer
@@Kitkat5335 yeah i think derbauer machines his
Thermal grizzly one is typical overengineered German garbage, not only is it more expensive, it's also inferior because it 'floats' above the motherboard and requires just the right amount of torque to ensure perfect pressure on the CPU and to function as intended.
The cheap thermalright one sits flush on the motherboard and all you have to do to install it perfectly is to screw it until it bottoms out on the motherboard. It's literally a foolproof design compared to thermal grizzly. No idea why derbauer didn't do this.
The $35 ones are better quality, and have marks to aid in getting proper tension. As well as instructions. I bought the cheap one, but followed a guide from Gamer's Nexus. If you don't tighten it correctly PC might not boot or PCIe lanes or memory slots might not work. You will have to re-install the bolts properly.
If you slip you can bend socket pins or break motherboard traces. Be careful. Also if you don't use a contact frame always put the cooler on when CPU is in the socket, it helps counteract this phenomenon.
Why would you put the cooler on before the cpu is installed? 😅
@@nufcbob😂
No fu… way you call out DerBauer. Give him his credit !
The "warranty voiding" is illegal. Circumvent criminals by remounting the tension arm before getting it warrantied.
Where have you been dude? You just discovered these?
No der8auer a german found out and develop this. From him is the high price product😂. He made a whole series even in English over the development steps.
@@werterdererste I bought one almost a year ago.
Someone in my town is selling A AMD Ryzen 9 5950x paired with a rx 6900 XT master for 1800 with a full set up is it worth it ? This is my first PC Thanks
Taking technical advice from a RUclipsr and not a computer technician is like getting New York City bus driver to fly your private jet😂
Tell that to Jays2Cents and Linus Tech Tips.
Thermal Grizzly is the company that invented the contact frame. Fellow RUclipsr Der8auer designed the frame. The 5$ products are stolen designs.
1. This short is from October of 2023. Contact frames for LGA 1700 came out in April of 2022. A bit late there, chief.
2. The thermal grizzly frame you pointed out was one of if not the first to enter the market. They're machined to a tighter tolerance than cheaper frames, which is why the price. Der8auer did a video on it when they released it... In April of 2022... No RUclipsr "just discovered" this a year and a half later.
3. New Arctic cooler models ship with contact frames for Intel as standard mounting hardware (Liquid Freezer III and some air cooler models) Though these models are newer than this short, it's a good FYI if you're looking for a new cooler and a contact frame. LFIII are awesome BTW.
You should of credited derbauer
😂 thermal grizzly is the creator of this piece shown, that's why they list it for the price they do...
Dude said “everyone’s” and then proceeds to only explain how to fix intel 12 & 13 gen cpus
I’ll go thermal grizzly all day, he backs his products and produces everything himself, he’s not a giant greedy company or id agree
When I bought second hand 13900k (400 eur, barely used with warranty), the seller recommended I get one of these, especially told me to get the cheap one so I got one few days later along with a motherboard. Tested with and without and found a 7C difference with my custom loop, and it only cost me 10eur with shipping. Was well worth it. Been running it since january this year without issues
"this youtuber" (whom you don't link to in any way btw) is Der8auer, the CEO of thermal grizzly which invented that contact frame, don't frame them as some cheapskates who are only trying to make a buck doing the same thing the knockoff chinese companies are doing. It costs money to innovate, and cheaping out on something that needs tight tolerances like that is a bad idea. Buy the thermal grizzly frame, don't mess around trying to save $30 with shady businesses when youre working with a $300-600 cpu
by the way void warranty things they’re illegal in the US so if you see them and they void warranty, contact the US government and sue them to get that money
Void warranty stickers are illegal as far as I know. Though if they "convince" you then it doesn't matter.
Bro my friend is building his first pc and he was expecting to get a 12400f but he found an insane combo at Microcenter and now he’s getting a 12900k 😂
Lol, even so core i7 and spend the extra on 6800XT, makes a well balanced system.
What deal and how much?
MSI Z690-A PRO WiFi, 32 GB of DDR5, and 12900k for $400
You should tell him to snag the 7700X instead, AM5 gang 😎
Someone in my town is selling A AMD Ryzen 9 5950x paired with a rx 6900 XT master for 1800 with a full set up is it worth it ? This is my first PC Thanks
Thermal Grizzly inst trying to, they ARE selling them for $35 and that's because it's the best on the market
Some do complaining about the original screws can't be used. They are too short, because the grizzly model is too thick rather than the thermalright one.
It's an inferior design, it 'floats' on the motherboard and applies pressure via specific amount of torque. Thermalright sits flush on the motherboard so all you have to do is screw it in until it bottoms out.
@@kevinlow69420it's made to be like that because everything else might cause problems. The TG frame is the best one.
Thermal Grizzly is the original. Der8auer literally did all the research and development on what the knockoffs use. Now, does it mean that those cheaper ones don’t work? No, they probably do just fine but are definitely not as high quality material and coating.
The reason why thermal Grizzly Takes 35€ is because of mashining precision!
As the old saying goes: you get what you pay for.
If you build your own shit, a warranty doesn’t matter.
It does.. Every part has separate warranty. When you grow up youll learn
Issues can happen later down the road. Like a gpu getting artifacts
Quick PSA, “warranty void if removed” stickers are illegal in the US
If its warranty issue keep the older one when needed to change it again
Or Intel could just do better. AMD knew the right way years before Intel. The Threadripper hold down system works amazingly well.
First of all Der 8auer with his Company thermal grizzly invented this.
i have done it to a ton of motherboards and its 100% worth it. Also i recently sent an evga motherboard in for repair and they didnt void it. The key is to keep your stock mounting bracket and just toss it back on and no one will know
Fun fact the whole warranty voided if removed thing is straight up illegal in the US
This RUclipsr just found.... He didn't and this was discovered 2 years ago
Am4 could never need something like that lol
But I wonder if it helps with temps anyhow with an amd cpu :o
same with am5, it's a square CPU and the cooler uses 2 retention arms, instead of just one.
@@FavoriteSniper AM4 is AMD.
honestly i would buy the thermal grizzly frame, there’s been people having issues with it the cheaper ones not being machined to the proper tolerances and actually decreasing performance of the cpu. maybe only for certain defective ones though
I’ve been using 5 bucks worth thermaltake retention for almost 1 year on my 12700k and it’s working great
I mean, unless you are thermal throttling, 2-6 degrees will give you about 200-600 mhz
At the moment I would say it’s not worth yet even for $5
That's 0.2 - 0.6 GHz
That's definitely a significant improvement
@@Jason9637 if you think about it, not worth voiding warranty, all I’m saying
@@reptileescape3619 Buying new parts is generally not worth it. Half of brands don't even honor their warranty process.
@@reptileescape3619 no matter how you look at it its 100% worth
increased fps, increased stability, longer lasting components due to less heat, and you can easily revert the change if you need to send it in for a warranty
like what the other guy said, that amount of performance loss from just heat is INSANE
@@shadeshotTV Voiding warranty is never worth it for a 1-3 FPS increase in my opinion. But to each their own
I saw one for $7 on Amazon. I’m definitely going to get one for my build. Plus the look nice too.
Hi. It really works! I have it on my 13600K system and it’s pretty amazing. Also, the structural rigidity by having the aluminum contact plate gives you peace of mind that the heavier cpu coolers will stay put and not warp the motherboard’s pcb. Cheers! 👍
This is cool but I don’t think that video in your screenshot was about this. That video was about offsetting the cooler position down because when they viewed the CPU with a thermal camera, it shows that the main source of heat on the chip was not directly in the middle of the CPU
Hardware Canucks on top
Best gpu for i7-13700k & 32 gigs of ddr5?
Gt1030 2gb
Radeon X300
GeForce GT 210
Radeon HD 3450
Intel arc
I've been using the OG contact frame of this kind, the Thermalright LGA1700 contact frame, with my 12900KS and the chip seems to like it a lot. Idling temps are in the mid-20s all the time and gaming temps never hit 70 C. I'm quite pleased and will use one of these frames in any build going forward.
After like 20 years of having PCs etc....never had that problem or at least i've never noticed....a solution for an inexisting problem....
the 35$ Version is made by the youtuber that first found issue with Intels 12th gen processor's and is "made in Germany" 😅 but as gamers nexus found out the 5-10$ version from thermal right is nearly the same quality.
when my Threadripper literally doesn't have this issue because it's just a better mechanism 💀
It's basically same shit with this, but officially provided
Half the intel cpus can spin like beyblades, that bracket helps but for me I’ll live knowing I lost 4 degrees under 100 percent load.
For the people selling these for 3 dollars, i dont know what your buisness model is but god bless you
If you actually torque your CPU cooler to specifications it won't do that.
It's the ILM's fault. If you leave a cpu there even with no cooler it will bend over time.
It helps, doesn't eliminate the bending. The socket interacts with metal close to the socket, where the cooler attaches to the PCB farther away. You would need a very thick backplate to put enough pressure on the CPU with a cooler to counteract this problem. Simpler and cheaper to get the contact frame.
Also many good coolers are slightly Convex to put more pressure in the middle anyway, if the CPU conforms it will still go Concave.
Go see Gamers Nexus and Der8auer channels if you want the science. In a recent one Der8auer used a CNC mounted laser to measure across a 14900k and you can see how dished in it gets.
In the end does it matter for most CPUs? Probably not. But it's very cheap and it works. My take, if you are pulling under 150w you'll probably get away without one (but you can pull more than that on non-k processors these days by adjusting TDP limits)
Fix number one, don't use intel
Its gonna improve results regardless. All modern CPU`s have these faults, intel is just worst.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 I guess the more rectangular the cpu, the higher the risk is. So nope not gonna buy current intel with this kind of mobo design. Not willing to spend 35 usd or help the cheap knockoffs. Maybe 15th gen intel or a better mobo design
@@pauloazuela8488 or just not use and and your computer will still run fine
I just installed on i9 13900k and gaming I have not breached 50c yet. First build in 10 years, it came out sweet.
FTC states warranty voiding and placement of void if removed stickers are not legal nor has it been legal for decades.
laptop users have been real quiet since this dropped
"Warranty void if removed" stickers have been deemed invalid under consumer laws in countries like the US and Australia, so it tends to hold no legal power if you do mod a motherboard or open a gaming console (such as to clean out the dust or replace storage or thermal interface).
U need weed themed merch. Game recognize game and u lookin really familiar. 😂
It doesn't happen "over time," it happens immediately. I built a machine with a 12th gen cpu, and two days later I removed the cooler to make a change due to excess temps. The pattern of the thermal compound showed that the CPU had already buckled. I put in one of these contact frames and the temps dropped considerably with the same cooler.
Congratulations, it's a knock-off of the original made by Thermal Grizzly
Confirmed it works nicely. Although I don't have personal use case comparison data because I heard about bent CPUs before I built my current PC and thus made sure to do this modification during my initial build. Comparing average data against my data does show my PC runs cooler.
Its worth getting it..very simple install no need to worry about warranty..
Americans hating china then proceeds to use ali express
I always build with these. For the lga 1700 i buy them for the bending issues of those CPUs. The AM5 platform doesnt have bending problems but they still sell these for that platform under the same rational of rigidity. The real reason to use these on am5 is because that allows you to remove the ILM from am5 which usually prevents 90% of am4 coolers from fitting since am5 comes with that simpler but less compatible 4 screw mounting system just like 2011 has.
personally id go with the company that made them even is they cost $40 then buying from AliExpress
« There is a compagny that did the RnD and did all the testing and sell it from amazon but you can buy it from a chinese guy that steal the concept and sell it cheaper of aliexpress »
There, i fix it
Glad I found this short right before my pc parts arrive
Thanks for adding another reason for why I’m glad I built my rig with a square shaped Ryzen 7 and not an i7 or i9
I was considering this before I got my i9 14900k. It’s running instant 6ghz on vine bench for 30 minutes highest temp was 92c without thermal throttle.
Liquid aio, thermal paste I spread with spatchula and raised it by less then a mm (or it felt like it) where the coolers had bad contact(near the backers or in the centerline if you’re reading the text on the processor it’s from the sides down the middle,) just add a little extra and then I put a small dot in the center to avoid air bubbles. Carefully placed it. Tightened it down…. Everything works great *knock on wood* and I couldn’t be happier I didn’t get the 13900k
Man taking shots at Roman. I would trust der8auer with any piece of hardware over those chinese brackets
Thanks for the information. I was going to upgrade my pc to 12th gen. I'll definitely get this frame. Thermalright has also got this one.
You'd think after decades they're able to fix this retention arm issue.
Its illegal in the US to have a warranty voided if you do repairs on your own items.
Outside though idk
I bought the Thermalright CPU Contact Frame for my LGA 1700 (Core i5 13600k) and it works perfectly!
If you see Grizzly selling it, you know it works and you can get it for 5x less somewhere else :P
Need this for lga 775 and others stat
Seems like a good thing
That TG Flame though XD
It's not just higher temps, it causes black screens and BSOD due to pins losing connection to the CPU
94 degrees on a cpu is diabolical, wtf intel 🤣
kinda crazy since my r5 3600 runs 70° under max load
if my temps ever go higher that 80c i might consider it. After a full year I haven't been over 72c.
as someone with a amd ryzen 5 5500 I see this as an absolute win.
If this voids your warranty you just report it or take them to court. These kind of things cannot legally void your warranty
“Other companies are trying to sell this for 30-40 bucks” literally thermalgrizzly from Germany who invited the lga1700 frame and precision mills it. Ofc a Chinese knock off of a bracket is a fraction of the price, but the whole point is to be able to trust the quality and precision of the name brand one 😂