Redrafting the First Round of the 2011 NHL Entry Draft
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2022
- Today I tackle the stacked 2011 draft class.
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is this the best "two way centre/ shut down centre" draft class of all time?? RNH, Couturier, Trocheck, Karlson, Danault, Pageau, Jenner, Miller....Such a solid draft class
With some deep steals!
No
Also Larsson, Oleksiak, Brodin and Mayfield is also solid D-shutdown
You didn’t even mention zibanejad you jabroni
@@christ3821 take a lap bud. wouldn’t really say he’s a two way Centre or shut down guy
I would still have the Avs going with Landeskog, he's the leader they needed and has stuck with the team during one of the worst seasons imaginable. 92 will be in rafters someday.
This is a solid redraft, Shannon! (Even if my inner Avalanche fan shuddered in horror at the thought of Landeskog being in anything other than an Avs sweater)
I’d still have kept Landy at #2 on the redraft. Essentially, a redraft is drafting based on what you know today. As of today, Landy wears the “C” and was an integral piece of hoisting the cup a couple months ago. Might not be as talented offensively but still plays on the top line of the best team in hockey, puts up points, hits, fights and has been a master motivator for that group as their captain both during the good and bad times. The Avs don’t win a cup with Johnny Hockey.
@@thenextgreat8652 oh, don't get me wrong, I totally agree with your point. I firmly believe that his leadership on and off the ice are worth their weight in gold, and I wouldn't pick anyone else. I just won't argue if someone else picks Johnny first. For my money, Landy is the ideal net-front power forward. He plays a smothering game at the top of the crease, without having to resort to playing like a rat, and elevates everyone's game around him. He'll definitely go down as one of the top ten (top five even?) to don an Avs sweater.
@@Bdiers I figured that 😉
Other than that pick, I agree it was a solid redraft. Just think there’s an even stronger case today for Landy to go #2 overall than there was back in 2011. I’d already throw him in the top 5 now that he’s captained a cup winning team.
Man, I wish Klefbom didn't get hurt. I miss him! He would've probably been drafted higher than 19 if he stayed healthy. He was turning into a legit top 2 shutdown defenceman for the Oilers!
I miss him. It’s sad to see a career go down the way Klefbom’s did.
Yeah he was good and probably would have gotten the big contract vice Nurse.
Not a number 1 dman
I remember in the 2017 playoffs how good he was. he honestly seemed like poor man’s Hedman. Sad to see injuries end careers.
You need to do a 2009 redraft!! There were SO MANY good players!
Yeah that was a really good draft.
I'm aware your comment is two months old. If anyone reads this, he did a 2009 redraft
@@Crushbra I know, thanks!
I get the Gaudreau at 2 but as an Avs fan, I'll keep Landy at #2
Absolutely 💪🏻🙏🏻
I understand why Shannon would take Gaudreau at #2. But, Landy's leadership, winning a Cup, and staying with the team long term ... make him the one I would want the Avs to draft again at #2.
I appreciated this one more than your others, because it's the first one you've done that showed Philly did make a decent pick. I do love Cooter, so it was nice to see him do even better here. I think this is the first Flyer to be a top 5 in any of your redrafts other than Lindros. I really enjoy these thought exercises.
Avs take Landeskog 10 times out of 10 even with hindsight. Hell no to Gaudreau. There's so much more to Landeskog than points, and he even does that well.
Agreed. Landy is where it’s at. Miss him 😢
Avs would not be where they are now without The Viking Captain💪🏻 Landy is the best Captain in the League and we Avs Fanatics are blessed to have him🙏🏻
1) Nikita Kucherov
2) Gabriel Landeskog
3) John Gibson
4) Johnny Gaudreau
5) Mika Zibanejad
I enjoy these redrafts, especially when there are gems that were taken in later rounds. I understand the focus is on who was drafted, but If I may suggest, I’d like to also see players originally drafted in the first round but didn’t make the redraft. I think that gives a more complete picture.
Shannon is on a redrafting spree and I am here for it. Love it
Oh dayum..Gotta Landeskog at #2! He's such an amazing leader, and still an excellent player overall.
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it's hard argue against his top 3. but I can't say a bad thing about landeskog. amazing captain, love it when he drops the gloves for a teammate, never for himself. best captian in the league. kuch, gudreau, and huby have really out done themselves, amazing skill and point production. I'd take landy at 2 still
@@CaptainBooch I can. Kucherov, Landeskog, Gibson, then gaudreau
Zibanejad was severely disrespected in my opinion, no goddamn way is Scheifele and RNH are better than him.
Look at Rakell at 27
I Was gonna comment this but thank you for doing it already. As well no way Sean couturier is better than Mika.
most overrated player in the league
@@gimmick7389 well thank you for letting us know that you don’t watch hockey Other than your own team. I’m gonna purposely misinterpret what you said by the way and say that Scheifele is definitely the most overrated player in the league. He is known for being a locker room cancer along with the other top players in Winnipeg as well as one of the worst defensive players in the league.
This video is great at showing how draft position really affects how we look at a player. Of course Kucherov is the best player from this class, however it took him a couple of seasons just to make the nhl. If he actually went #1 there would have been many shouting bust. Several of these players took years to develop into who they became. This is why I am still a believer in players like Kakko, Zadina, etc. They aren’t stars right away like we thought, but with time will be great players when they’re 26, 27, etc
I love watching these redrafts and realizing, as a Blues fan, how often we don't have a 1st round pick...
Speaking as a Canucks fan, sometimes it doesn’t matter anyway.
Atleast your not an oilers fan. That team got all the top 5 overall picks and did nothing with them.
"The St Louis Blues are proud to select Erik Johnson" 👌🤣🤣
Yeah, at least Pietrangelo came later and was the Top 2 defenceman we wanted EJ to be.
They killed it in 2010 getting Tarasenko and Schwartz.
Crazy to put RNH above Mika, number 3 center vs number 1 ?
Yea..
Zibanejad would be a number 3 center on the Oilers, too.
@@billbill3915 honestly based as hell take, I just love Mika tbh
@@MrNinjaTanner No worries, I don't blame you for having an opinion. Just thought I'd point it out. Cheers.
THG based this on the whole career. It took some time for Zibanejad to get going and his consistency is not always there… a very streaky player. RNH is not as flashy but his 2 way game is elite, which allows the first Edmonton line to do their high end scoring
With how many 2nd to 4th round draft picks on this board I'd call it the draft of steals
Gaudreau may be an explosive player with a penchant for scoring or whatever, but he's not a winner and he always buckles under pressure. Landeskog is an all-league elite CAPTAIN and it's just too sad that the stats are blind to that aspect. He still goes #2 easily and if you disagree, he will beat up anyone you put in #2 instead.
I had not realized how deep this draft was. Amazing, thanks for another video Shannon
I'd be interested to see you do a video about which draft classes have the most collective games played and the most collective points
I’d guess the 03 draft off the top of my head.
That would just be the furthest back draft class with a significant amount of people still playing the game
@@thepivotguy1123 you’re right about that it wouldn’t be a very recent draft but having an active player from a draft wouldn’t be a factor in deciding which draft produced the most amount of combined games played.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that ones where all or most of the players have finished their careers will be at the top.
@@jonmendelson1104 probably the 1979 one with messier
Idk I would definitely stick with Gabriel Landeskog over Gaudreau lol
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1st round of 2011 Draft was so deep, but still the best player was picked at #58 and second best player at #104 that's pretty interesting.
Kucherov wasn't going to report though if he ended up on Edmonton so I think the Oilers are still pretty happy with RNH in hindsight
@@seanpierce2943 They should definitely be happy now
So excited for this one! This was the Jets' first ever pick
Yet somehow they already had Hellebuyck, due to drafting him in 2012.
Before you started, I was really hoping RNH still held up to being in top 10. I don't know much about hockey and how RNH's draft class stacked up, but I also knew he wasn't #1.
If Nuge didn’t dealt with a lot of injuries early in his career he probably could’ve been a number 1 center
@@Sahil-ev3mv Yup multiple shoulder injuries and having a Knack for defence always hindered him from being the best offensive player he could be. He has potential to be a 70 point guy yearly but he never sacrifices offence for it. If not for all the bad oilers teams he was on early and the lack of interest in prospect development by the gm’s he would have been a top 3 player in the draft. Even saying that id still put him 5. He has more goals/assists/points in less games than Couturier. He also plays C/W and the PK and PP. He is an all around high level player.
This was fun to watch! 😊👍
I'd take Mika over RNH. Gibson's tough to rank. Could go higher. What might have been had he played elsewhere the past handful?
Mika is a no brainer ahead of RNH
@@StevenStamkos91 now? Of course. But I think "no brainer" is more than a little dramatic given that RNH was the more productive of the two from 2012-2018, with Mika only outscoring him in 1 of those half dozen seasons. They peaked at different times, and it's a bit apples to oranges, but while saying you prefer one to the other is fine, a Dean Douglas promo cut line is a bit much in my opinion. That's why I merely said I'd "take" one over the other.
Anaheim had a really good draft. Gibson, Karlsson, Manson and Rakell. Especially since their first pick was at 30.
Sure do miss the Big Rig here in Dallas. He was slowly becoming my favorite player. Was like the defense version of a young Jamie Benn. Good times.
Would love too see a
Top 5 series - Playoff dark horses. best defence. Rookies. Goalkeepers. Goalscorers. Assist. Etc etc insert any relevant category.
"now that he's in columbus....maybe that'll change"😂
2011 definitely a good draft and underrated. Lots of great players from that year
When you look at everything a player brings to a team, I’d still leave Landeskog at the #2. Not as offensively talented as Johnny hockey but because of the intangibles, give me Gabe every day of the week 🏆
This was my thought here as well. With the Avs naming him Captain at 19, I think that shows they valued his intagibles during the draft process.
Id personally shuffle around the top 10.... Kucherov, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Gaudreau, Schiefle, Zibanejad, Couturier, Gibson, Nugent Hopkins, Hamilton.
I know Oscar Klefbom sustained career ending injuries but he was a legit top defenseman before all the injuries. I think he should have been in the top 30 at least.
I feel like this has to be the deepest draft you've done yet
I'd like to see you redraft groups of draft years, like 04-06
Good spot for Palat. He's a support guy. Doesn't drive the play but compliments those who do very well.
He also wears #18
Ottawa finally solving the goaltending question with John Gibson would've been nice.
I would argue that Colorado would still take Landy at 2. His leadership was instrumental in the cup run, really tough to quantify that. Also just an underrated stud.
I wouldn’t
I think him and RNH will always go underrated simply because they were both high picks that were overshadowed by their teams having some of the best players of their generation.
100%. I’d take a power forward that can score and be the captain forever over guys like gaudreau & huberdeau that disappear at times, especially in the playoffs.
100% agree. No way scouts could have predicted him becoming a captain so young. He has been a solid captain, and I don’t think the Avs as a team are better with any of these other players.
I understand why Shannon would take Gaudreau at #2. But, Landy's leadership, winning a Cup, and staying with the team long term ... make him the one I would want the Avs to draft again at #2.
These redraft videos are great. Not sure why Couturier is so high, but disagreeing is what makes these redrafts 🔥
4 players the Ducks drafted all being taken before the Ducks first pick....that's some more good Duck drafting and more getting screwed in re-drafts! haha :)
I feel like the 2011 draft is one where the players keep getting better and better. I don't think any of them really started off their careers superbly, but each season it seems many of these players keep improving. Some of these players had career years this past year, when they turned 29 years old.
Loved the Jonas Brodin at 10 take. If I had to pick a defender to guard McDavid, it would be Brodin hands down.
If you can make the time for a Kuzmenko prospect video I would be over the moon! There's been alot of buzz around him lately and I know so little about him.
Big fan Shannon :)
Being a ducks fan I agree with the Rakell placement. The potential to be a 30+ goal scorer is there Forsure and when he’s on his game he can really take over, but he hasn’t played consistently. I think he’s a guy that really does need an elite passer on his line to be at his best
Glad to see Boone Jenner get some love on your list. Not really a Blue Jackets fan, but he’s one of my favourite players.
Landeskog was on a 48-goal pace last season, which would've been the highest on the team, yet no one talks about it... Yeah, underrated as hell
Always happy to be welcomed back
I chuckled as you described Brodin "It's not always about the points, it's defense, it's about leadership, you're looking at the overall player."
But you have Johnn Gaudreau going second who can only contribute points, no defense, no leadership, no other tangibles or intagibles. I'd bump Johnny down to 4 and Huberdeau and Landeskog up one each.
For anyone curious about teams missing draft picks in this draft:
The Blue Jackets' pick was sent to the Flyers as part of the Jeff Carter trade along with Voracek and a 2011 3rd.
The Leafs' pick was sent to the Bruins as part of the Phil Kessel trade along with a 2010 first and a 2010 2nd.
The Blues' pick was sent to the Avalanche as part of the trade that swapped this pick, Erik Johnson, and Jay McClement for Shattenkirk, Chris Stewart, and a 2nd round pick.
The Kings' pick was sent to the Oilers as part the Dustin Penner trade along with a 2012 3rd and Colten Teubert.
The Predators' pick was sent to the Senators as part of the Mike Fisher trade along with a conditional pick in 2012.
The Ducks traded back from 22 to 30 and 39.
The Red Wings traded back from 24 to 35 and 48.
The Flyers' pick was sent to the Leafs as part of the Kris Versteeg trade along with a 2011 3rd.
The Capitals' pick was sent to the Chicago Blackhawks for Troy Brouwer.
The Sharks' pick was sent to the Wild as the part of the trade that swapped Brent Burns and a 2012 2nd to for Devin Setoguchi, Charlie Coyle and this pick.
The Bruins' pick was sent to the Leafs in the Tomas Kaberle trade along with Joe Colborne and a 2012 2nd. The Leafs then traded up to 22 using this pick and pick 39 (already mentioned above with the Ducks).
You have a lot of time on your hands
@@shaanhashmi5836 Copied it from the wikipedia page and made some minor tweaks. It took like 2 minutes. I was curious why the Sharks didn't have a pick that year (I of course knew about the trade but I didn't remember exactly when it happened).
This needs to be redone.
Amazing year for Tampa Bay: Kucherov, Palat and Namestnikov who was very good and then he was involved in a trade for JT Miller and Ryan McDonagh. Now he is back with Tampa. Also Lightning could have Binnigton, but they traded that pick and Beukeboom for Eric Brewer and they went to Conference Finals.
I love how I comment stuff and it magically comes true on his channel, you should do a redraft of 1960
The lightning had /have 5 players in shannon's redraft. They were so good at drafting and finding steals.
This was a great video, thank you for all your content! My only gripe as an islander fan is in retrospect I'd rather Garth Snow draft Rickard Rickell or J.T. Miller. I know guys like Scheifele, RNH, and Zibanejad are arguably better but at the time the islanders needed a winger for John Tavares
Gaudreau ahead of Huberdeau is ludicrous.
I think something cool to look at for these redrafts would be to take the average original draft position for each one and then you could compare which years had better talent later on than others
I agree in hindsight Binnington should probably have been a 1st round pick, but if you adjust for the teams making the pick, there is no way Buffalo would have taken him. Miller had just won the Vezina in 2010 and was still in his prime, so they were not seeking a goalie in the first round.
awesome video!!!
What's pretty interesting here is we draft basically a no one at #23 originally as we (the Pens) get Joe Morrow and then trade him to get a third round pick, which would eventually become the one and only Jake "shake" Guentzel.
Gibson, Karlsson, Manson, Rakell. Interesting thing is there are 4 Ducks picks who moved up in this redraft. Ironically, Rakell being the first one and the only one who actually was picked in the first round, is the last one from them.
As a Oilers fan, seeing the Oilers get Nikita Kucherov makes me very happy. In some alternate universe that has happened.
Scheifele & Mark Stone on the same line for Ottawa would have been a lot to deal with. Of course both would have been traded away by now, but the time they would have been together, they would have been fun to watch.
What a draft for Tampa, especially considering the #58 and #208 position. It's little off-putting seeing Tampa let Palat go, I feel like he fulfilled a crucial role for them much like the other core guys they locked up long term.
I’d once again like to thank Jeff Gorton for rebuilding by trading JT Miller away for absolutely nothing in a move that never even made sense from the first thought in his head. Usually when you draft a player and that prospect does nothing but excel, join the pro club and do well before age 24, you want to continue to watch that player develop into his prime. But good ol Jeff decided it made sense to let other teams reap the rewards of what was a superb draft pick by getting a worse player in every way in return. Thanks Jeff!
This is the 🐐 Hockey channel!!!! 🏒
Solid redraft!
U should do a draft of undrafted players I think that would be cool 2 watch
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This draft had a few guys taken way down there that are pretty good now
4 Ducks on this list. Madden is amazing. Gibson, Karlsson, Manson, and Rakell.
Surprised no video on the 2004 draft yet
Very appropriate that Palat, who wears #18, goes #18 over all in your redraft ;)
Avs fan. Not upset. Like that spot for Landy
Kucherov also still has the single season points best post lockout. Feels beatable, but no one has yet.
Watching these videos is a fight in recency bias. I always have to remind myself to judge the pick by the career and not just this past year or two
2011 was very long ago. It’s like 2005 draft. Where you have to base it off careers lmao
@@loganhacker9329 for sure I was mainly thinking about guys like zibanejad and jt Miller who may have started slower but have become better players more recently compared to guys like couturier and Gibson who I would say had better earlier careers but have struggled recently for various reasons
damn!!! this year was absolutely stacked. it would be cool if they were all on one team. lol
There's no way Nugent-Hopkins is better than Zibanejad and Hamilton, or even Miller.
Watch an Oilers game Nuge is one of the best swiss army knifes in the NHL the Oilers powerplay and penalty kill is so much better with him
@@epichunter472 a top pair right shot defenceman, a 40 plus goal scorer, & a 100 point guy are all more useful than a “Swiss army knife”.
@@epichunter472 lol. This is why Oiler fans are widely regarded as the laughing stock of the league.
@@stentorofsparta3576 more consistent career than those other players.
@@LETZGONHLdraft they’ve either been at nuge’s level or better.
As much as I love RNH (who will most likely retire an Oiler) it’s such a wow factor to think of Kucherov as an Oiler.
Dunno about #2. As an Avs fan, hard to go past the intangibles other than scoring that Landy brings.
Thanks Toronto
When you do these, do you account for a teams needs, at the time or just best player?
Best player I believe
Being an Oilers lifer, I wouldn't trade Nuge for the world.
He's good, but he can't drive a line. He's a 2nd line winger and I'd gladly trade him for Kucherov
@@michaelkeller5927 he drove the 3rd line much of last season and drove the 2nd line when drai was injured and playing wing!
@@ethantercier6057 Yeah. He's taken a back seat with the dynamic duo on the Oilers, and he's cool with that. He's a swiss army knife, and the ultimate team player.
Shannon ily but this one is a little questionable. With respect, Idk how Hamilton, Zibanejad, and Miller go after Nuge and Gibson. Love the Coots respect though as I am a Flyers fan. But if I get Nuge instead of Coots I'd be pissed lol.
I really wanna see a 2019 redraft. Maybe a bit early but hopefully soon
Maybe it's me devaluing Huberdeau, but if Florida had the option to pick Landy in a redraft over Huberdeau, they probably would've. Even this last season, while Hubey was making plays and putting up points, they missed that offensive power forward all together. And well Landy has been at the top for longer than Hubey who found his top last season.
How did RNH go #1 with so many better players in hindsight, I wouldn’t have even put him in the top 10 tbh
4:50 you can say "his going to Ottawa" in formal speech.
If you compare Gaudreau and Landy's stats on Quanthockey you'll see that yes, Johnny Hockey has a few more total points and Landy still has more goals. But Landy was leading his team for 2 seasons before Gaudreau got a sniff of the NHL. He stuck around for a painful rebuild and was a part of building a cup winner.
I hope Gaudreau has that kind of success. But, I'd take a great leader over a great player any day.
I wanna see 2009... I'm still a bit sore of my very first draft ever as a hockey fan, as the Habs got a MASSIVE bust in the first round......
I hated this draft for Toronto. 2 1st rounds picks and they took Stuart Percy and Tyler Biggs, and if you're asking who's that.. exactly. Traded with Anaheim to move up in the first round. The 2 picks Anaheim got from Toronto they used to take Rickard Rakell, and John Gibson
I can't imagine how or why people would get so upset over your opinions but I've read some comments on your channel that cause me to question civilization itself.
Holy Mother of Elvis, there is no chance for humanity; some people need to get hobbies or get laid.
As an Avalanche fan, I’d STILL take Landeskog at #2
Thank you for this :)
Personally I take landeskog before gaudreau
Chicago picked up Danault, Saad, Shaw. Damn.
This one was very very good...
Thank you
Binnington should be top 10. That Cup had everything to do with him. Blues were last in the NHL in points when he was called up. He also should have won the Calder, Conn Smythe, and arguably the Vezina and Hart that year.
the draft of underrated players