Guentzel is way too low, I’d have him at 4 or 5. I think Monahan had some really good years as well even if he is washed up (from injuries) now, probably should be higher. Also Saros should be higher
I'm biased, but I'd personally argue he should be 3rd. There's a huge drop after the top 3 in points/game in this draft class, with Jake Guentzel being up there with the top 2. He has scored goals at nearly the same rate as _MacKinnon_ since he came into the league. There are 4 40 goal seasons from this draft class, and Guentzel has 2 of them. He also, like MacKinnon, elevates his game for the playoffs. He had a ridiculous 1.75 p/gp (best in his draft class) in 2018, 13 goals in 2017 (tying MacKinnon last year for best) and is at exactly 1 p/gp (2nd to only MacKinnon) for his career in the playoffs. I get that offense isn't everything, but Guentzel isn't a bad defender either. He's trusted enough to match top lines and never get sheltered. He's good enough that his defense shouldn't drag him down. He's also definitely not a product of Crosby, his production didn't slow down even when _Evan Rodriguez_ was his center early on last year.
Thank you all for this. Like the Jets, Shannon has a "blind spot," in his words, for Bo Horvat. He has ... a "sight patch," I guess, regarding Guentzel especially. He hinted at it here and has stated in the recent past that Guentzel is not a star apart from Crosby and Malkin--even with the aforementioned time carrying the load while they were out and the resulting boost to Rodrigues, who weirdly hasn't been signed, gee! By no means do I expect perfection or that anyone will agree on everything, but what will it take regarding Guentzel?
Even with Monahan's last two year decline due to injuries I think he should be much higher on this re-draft. Also not sure about Mantha, Nurse and Jones being that high up. Regardless, it's always entertaining to see these, keep it up.
I agree with Saros, BUT I understand why, He has truelly had 1 great season in a defence first system , For sure he moves up if he repeats having amazing seasons like he just had
@@ajhambly6818 guetzel is a first line all star, nurse is one of the most overrated players in hockey and wouldn’t be a top defenseman on any team with a capable defense, which Edmonton doesn’t have.
@@thomasibach234 Nurse is actually incredibly underrated simply bc he’s one of the only top d men that doesn’t start in the o zone most of the time which means his point totals don’t match other “top” d men (which is only bc the Oilers have a deep blue line w two more offensively gifted d men). Despite being put in difficult situations against the top players from around the league more often than other “top” d men, Nurse’s underlying numbers remain very solid. Guentzel is a top 6 winger who’s had the privilege of playing on a line with Crosby for his entire career. That isn’t a knock on him, he’s a very good player but he isn’t the cornerstone of the pens offence whereas Nurse is the defensive cornerstone of a WCF Oilers team.
So glad the Avs took MacKinnon. There was a lot of talk locally that they might have gone with Seth Jones. Part of that was that Seth's Dad Popeye Jones played for the Nuggets, so Seth Jones lived in Denver in his youth.
I think Bjorkstrand and Burakovsky are probably the only ones underrated here. Mostly just here to say it's a good list since this is a really hard redraft
@@NotodayUrsidae barkov just had the same amount of points as mackinnon in the same amount of games. He was also third in selke votes. Are you high lol
I think Guentzel is too low and I definitely wouldn’t take Paul over Domi (Domi has almost 4 times as many points and double the games played), but solid list
Paul has only played on lottery Ottawa teams until this year. There is so much more to a player than points and it shows that you don’t know that and don’t watch nick paul. I like Domi, but you’re just silly
@@matthewgannon9631 I don’t think me taking Max Domi over Nick Paul means I know nothing about hockey. That’s just about as big a stretch as you can possibly make.
@@matthewgannon9631 just because the teams he was on were ever so slightly worse doesn’t mean I would change my mind and pick him over Domi. Yes he is excellent defensively, but ultimately I would rather take a player who puts up 40-50 points than one who puts up 20-25 and is an excellent PK guy
Lehkonen was a joy to watch on the playoffs. Great decision making abd commitment the the system at both ends of the ice. You can see that the organization was impressed with him and Nichushkin and rewarded them both.
As they should be. The league is fast, and Colorado is the pinnacle of that. Lehkonen brought incredibly important depth for a team that lost out in 2021 explicitly due to their lack of depth and Nickachu is one of the best two-way forwards in the league.
I understand why Shannon would not want Dallas to take Nichushkin again. But, it appears that the Avs selected Nichushkin over Burakovsky in 2022 free agency. The Avs gave Nichushkin a huge contract while letting Burakovsky walk.
Different players and different needs. Burky is very streaky. He was healthy scratched during the playoffs at points. Lekhonen was also brought in as insurance against the loses of Burakovsky and Kadri (not entirely each, but he will take Kadri's PP spot and Burakovsky's 2nd line spot).
Even when he's not scoring as many points as Burky, Nichushkin is just much more consistent and generates a lot more dangerous scoring chances imo. I remember when the Avs first got him and for the first 20-30 or so games, he wouldn't score any goals, but he'd have so many good breakaway opportunities.
4 of these players were on the Avalanche last year. Sakic needs to keep his collection going Edit: Plus I forget that Avs used to have Zadorov, who also went in the first round that year.
It's crazy how many of these players are/were on the Avs in the past two seasons. MacKinnon, Val, Artturi, and Burky all part of the cup and Ryan Graves was on the team recently.
Players I would take earlier: Guentzel at 5, Saros at 4, I'd probably take Pulock a few spots earlier but not sure where now. Monahan, not sure but I'd probably take him before Mantha and Morrissey based on his career so far. Maybe before Burakovsky and wherever Pulock ends up. Hard to argue with the rest imo.
If I remember correctly leading up to the 2013 draft Barkov was ranked 6th at best 18th at worst. So it was a surprise that he went 2nd over Seth Jones & Drouin. When asked why Barkov Dale Tallon said he made a strong impression in the interview.
He can bounce back, but he's never going to be a great top 6 center again. Double hip surgeries are going to ensure that he'll never skate well enough to be top 6 consistently.
I might be crazy but I would put guentzel et saros in the top 5. Buchnevich seems low especially seeing him under mantha. It’s hard because this draft is ridiculously deep, but yeah there’s a few guys that seems low for me.
As a Sabres fan who has watched every game of Ristolainen's career I would bet my house he doesn't fall to #22 on a redraft if it were possible for it ever to occur. There's just no way. He's a very solid NHL defenseman. He was the #1 for the Sabres on historically bad teams. I don't know where he would go, but I find it very hard to believe NHL general managers would let him slip much from 8. He's huge, has some offensive side to his game and is not afraid to mix it up. I'm not his biggest fan, and many Sabres fans disliked him. However, the kid can play as a top 4 defenseman on probably any team in the league. How is that dropping past pick 10 or so? I don't see it. He might be one of the unluckiest guys in the league being on last place teams his entire career. Who would have thought Philly might be worse than Buffalo? Ouch.
Why do people keep saying Risto had a bad year last year? He and Sanheim were our only good defensemen last year. Hell those 2 along with Atkinson were the only players that didn't give up last year. I think the man is a beast and plays Flyer hockey in a way no one has since Pronger retired
I think that's too low for Monahan. Until he got injured, he was 1st in goals for the draft class. As it stands now, he is 3rd in goals and 3rd in points. I would bet that there won't be 23 players who finish their careers with as many goals or points. Tough one to weigh out here considering that points aren't everything. However, being the 3rd best goal scorer and likely not dropping to 23rd even if he retires today, I think that's too big of a reaction to his injury. Nurse is too high on this list I think as well - not sure he moves up a spot, as I do think there have been players pushing from below that are probably more valuable. Ristolainen going to the Flames is interesting, as the Flames' analytics guys have Ristolainen has the label "Do not acquire" by them - means nothing with regards to this redraft, but it is funny that he ends up in Calgary. Interesting takeaways here though. This draft year may have just as much movement in a future redraft in another 5 or 10 years.
I would have Saros way higher. He was really elite the past two seasons and even if he hasn’t had as lengthy careers as some of those other guys his stats overshadow that
He literally took Nashville from being a "fringe chance of winning a game or 2" in every pool with him in to "not a fucking chance they even win a game" with him out. Easily a top 10 goalie. If he was 3-4 inches taller, he'd be top 5 on every list.
No issues from me about this redraft for the most part. As a Flames fan and a Bo Horvat fan I’d definitely take him over Nurse, but that just my preference on that pick. Hope for all the best with Monahan though in Montreal and going forward with his career. Solid, really good player when healthy and hopefully he can get back to being healthy again and have a good comeback with the Canadiens this year.
For those curious about why their team was missing from this list, here are all of the trades for first round picks in 2013 (via wikipedia): The New Jersey Devils' first-round pick (9th overall) went to the Vancouver Canucks as the result of a trade on June 30, 2013, that sent Cory Schneider to New Jersey in exchange for this pick. The Minnesota Wild's first-round pick (16th overall) went to the Buffalo Sabres as the result of trade on April 3, 2013, that sent Jason Pominville and a fourth-round pick in 2014 to Minnesota in exchange for Matt Hackett, Johan Larsson, a second-round pick in 2014 and this pick. The Detroit Red Wings' first-round pick (18th overall) went to the San Jose Sharks as the result of a trade on June 30, 2013, that sent a first-round pick in 2013 (20th overall) and Pittsburgh's second-round pick in 2013 (58th overall) to Detroit in exchange for this pick. The New York Rangers' first-round pick (19th overall) went to the Columbus Blue Jackets as the result of a trade on July 23, 2012, that sent Rick Nash, Steven Delisle and a conditional third-round pick in 2013 to New York in exchange for Artem Anisimov, Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon and this pick. The San Jose Sharks' first-round pick (20th overall) went to the Detroit Red Wings as the result of a trade on June 30, 2013, that sent a first-round pick in 2013 (18th overall) to San Jose in exchange Pittsburgh's second-round pick in 2013 (58th overall) and this pick. The St. Louis Blues' first-round pick (22nd overall) went to the Calgary Flames as the result of a trade on April 1, 2013, that sent Jay Bouwmeester to St. Louis in exchange for Mark Cundari, Reto Berra, and this pick (being conditional at the time of the trade). The condition - Calgary will receive St. Louis' first-round pick in 2013 if St. Louis qualifies for the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs - was converted on April 23, 2013. The Los Angeles Kings' first-round pick (27th overall) went to the Columbus Blue Jackets as a result of a trade on February 23, 2012, that sent Jeff Carter to Los Angeles in exchange for Jack Johnson and this pick (being conditional at the time of the trade). One condition was converted on April 5, 2012, when Los Angeles qualified for the 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs, giving Columbus the right to choose between Los Angeles' first-round picks in either 2012 or 2013. The other condition was converted on June 22, 2012, when Columbus chose not to take Los Angeles' first round pick in 2012, giving them this pick. The Pittsburgh Penguins' first-round pick (28th overall) went to the Calgary Flames as the result of a trade on March 27, 2013, that sent Jarome Iginla to Pittsburgh in exchange for Kenny Agostino, Ben Hanowski and this pick. The Boston Bruins' first-round pick (29th overall) went to the Dallas Stars as the result of a trade on April 2, 2013, that sent Jaromir Jagr to Boston in exchange for Lane MacDermid, Cody Payne and this pick (being conditional at the time of the trade). The condition - Dallas will receive a first-round pick if Boston advances to the 2013 Eastern Conference Finals - was converted on May 25, 2013.
A lot of changes that I would personally make. I would have Guentzel, Saros, Weegar, Monahan & Lehkonen all drafted higher than they are and I would have Jones, Nurse, Mantha, Bertuzzi & Ristolainen all drafter lower
Not bad list but idk why Pesce is so high. He’s a good defenseman but he hasn’t been nearly as elite as players like Guentzel and Saros, and I would definitely take him probably past 20th. I feel like the other players are these great forwards and defenseman that have had really amazing seasons whereas pesce is just a good defenseman. But I never looked at the advanced stats so I could be wrong.
I love Horvat, he’s my favourite Canuck. But I would not complain about Guentzel. The Schneider trade saved this draft from being another Mike Gillis masterclass in futility.
Judging by the comments, Horvat is still very underrated. He’s everything you want a C to be. Ever since he said he models his game after Toews, I’ve always paid extra attention to him.
Jones is better than nurse better offensively better passer shooter play driver bigger stronger slightly less better in transition good 1PP option nurse is like a 1PP B option more of a 2PP guy defensively they are similar in impact I can’t see his value being lower to what he brings to the table than nurse
Remember when many Florida fans were mortified (and basically everyone else were scratching their heads) when Florida took Barkov over Drouin and Seth Jones? Turns out those scouts really were on to something there.
You can argue Barkov vs Mackinnon and you can definitely argue everyone after that. If you really wanted, you could argue Colorado has 2 players more valuable than MacKinnon..
@@hanslamontagne is it tho he just put up the same amount of points in the same amount of games as mackinnon whilst being third in selke votes. It’s not a hot take it’s just that he’s underrated.
@@Jman-cx4bd I like his overall game but find McKinnon to be someone who can put an entire team on his back, he’s explosive and the leadership qualities are what move the needle for me. I can’t see Barkov kicking the dressing room door in and rallying the troops like Nate does. Frankly, I would be ecstatic to have either but that’s just how I’d do it.
I think you've got Monahan too low as well. You've got him below a guy whose career points per game is 0.42, meanwhile Monahan had 6 seasons with a PPG between 0.68 and 1.05. You'd really pass on a guy at 21st overall who could be your 1st line C for 6 years before you have to replace him in order to draft a career 2nd/3rd line guy (who, we still don't know, could also be done in 3 more years)?
surprised you have Drouin in top 30.. I would not. never lived up to expectations, never goes into the corners, can not handle pressure cause he was babied from an early age
Only one I think is too high is Ristolainen. Barring his bad year in Philly, yes he's tough, but weren't his advanced stats trash when he was in Buffalo too? I would at least take Monahan over him personally. I would move Copp up, but maybe I'm one of those mentioned who overrates him. I did like his game when he was in Winnipeg too though.
Well, mine is much different than Shannons (if there were 32 picks in the first round): 1. Nathan MacKinnon 2. Aleksander Barkov 3. Sean Monahan (I really believe it was his situation in Calgary that stymied his last couple of seasons) 4. Elias Lindholm 5. Bo Horvat 6. Seth Jones 7. Jake Guentzel 8. Max Domi 9. Andre Burakovsky 10. Pavel Buchnevich 11. Alexsander Wennberg 12. Rasmus Ristolainen 13. Anthony Duclair 14. Juuse Saros 15. Jonathan Drouin 16. Oliver Bjorkstrand 17. Shea Theodore 18. Anthony Mantha 19. Andrew Copp 20. Darnell Nurse 21. Ryan Hartman 22. Tristan Jarry 23. Tyler Bertuzzi 24. Josh Morrissey 25. Valeri Nichushkin 26. Artturi Lehkonen 27. Brett Pesce 28. Ryan Pulock 29. Mattias Janmark 30. J.T. Compher 31. MacKenzie Weegar 32. Miles Wood
@@russiants1668 Yeah I underrate defencemen and goalies. rarely does a highly picked defenceman produce as well as a forward in the same spot. And goalies are basically the QB draft pick of the NHL. Nobody knows how well any of them are going to do in the show because there's just so many factors.
@@Ryuzakku sure, but these are proven players. You aren’t taking a risk, this isn’t a “put yourself in the moment” redraft, you have 9 years of play to look at.
Guentzel is too low, and also there is absolutely no way the Habs should choose anyone other than Lehky at 25 since he was still available, also Douin may be a headache but 29th is a bit of an insult considering several ppl who were put ahead....yeah this one is weird man
To say I disagree would be an understatement. To be fair, there's a ton of overrated and underrated (or at least divisive) players in this class, but some of those choices are perplexing. Just gonna leave mine and how it compares to yours and see where others stand. Added small bits of criticism. It's fine to disagree and this is your list and that is suuuuper fine but I'm sure you'll find I'm not alone. I hope this isn't seen as a tear down or anything, just surprised at how far off it is from how I see things. 1. Mackinnon - 2. Barkov - 3. Weegar +16 (idk if all your fans feel this way but he's been an analytical superstar for 2 years and has similar criticisms to Lindholm with better analytics. He has untimely errors but the guy is unreal imo) 4. Lindholm - 5. Guentzel +4 6. Theodore -3 7. Saros +6 (I mean he's a goalie and I understand taking him later but that's due to risk. Knowing what you've got, guy's a gem.) 8. Buchnevich +8 9. Horvat -2 10. Bertuzzi +8 11. Bjorkstrand +6 12. Burakovsky -2 13. Jones -8 (Weird case. Everything suggests he's fallen off a cliff so he should receive the Monahan treatment imo, although to a lesser degree.) 14. Pesce -6 (I love him but what's going on here?) 15. Morrissey -1 16. Lehkonen +12 17. Verhaeghe +7 18. Jarry +2 19. Nurse -13 (overrated as hell as far as I'm concerned but it's a fine place to disagree) 20. Nichushkin -9 (I'm sorry, what was he doing all the way up there with the guys behind him? Mindboggling considering Duclair didn't make the list and Weegar was 19th) 21. Pulock -9 22. Duclair *left out* 23. Copp -2 24. Mantha -9 25. Monahan -2 26. Graves -1 27. Domi *left out* (I really don't get how much you're valuing recency vs career performance) 28. Hartman -2 29. Zadorov *left out* 30. Wennberg -3
Barkov should be number one the guy was third in selke votes and put the same points in the same games as mackinnon. Barkov>mackinnon and I don’t think it’s that close
Personally, I would take Niederreiter higher here
Guentzel is way too low, I’d have him at 4 or 5. I think Monahan had some really good years as well even if he is washed up (from injuries) now, probably should be higher.
Also Saros should be higher
I'm biased, but I'd personally argue he should be 3rd. There's a huge drop after the top 3 in points/game in this draft class, with Jake Guentzel being up there with the top 2. He has scored goals at nearly the same rate as _MacKinnon_ since he came into the league. There are 4 40 goal seasons from this draft class, and Guentzel has 2 of them. He also, like MacKinnon, elevates his game for the playoffs. He had a ridiculous 1.75 p/gp (best in his draft class) in 2018, 13 goals in 2017 (tying MacKinnon last year for best) and is at exactly 1 p/gp (2nd to only MacKinnon) for his career in the playoffs.
I get that offense isn't everything, but Guentzel isn't a bad defender either. He's trusted enough to match top lines and never get sheltered. He's good enough that his defense shouldn't drag him down. He's also definitely not a product of Crosby, his production didn't slow down even when _Evan Rodriguez_ was his center early on last year.
Saros and Guentzel above Bo Horvat. Seriously.
Thank you all for this. Like the Jets, Shannon has a "blind spot," in his words, for Bo Horvat. He has ... a "sight patch," I guess, regarding Guentzel especially. He hinted at it here and has stated in the recent past that Guentzel is not a star apart from Crosby and Malkin--even with the aforementioned time carrying the load while they were out and the resulting boost to Rodrigues, who weirdly hasn't been signed, gee!
By no means do I expect perfection or that anyone will agree on everything, but what will it take regarding Guentzel?
Even with Monahan's last two year decline due to injuries I think he should be much higher on this re-draft. Also not sure about Mantha, Nurse and Jones being that high up. Regardless, it's always entertaining to see these, keep it up.
I'd also have Saros and Guentzel higher. Fun to have a look at the draft class though.
I agree with Saros, BUT I understand why, He has truelly had 1 great season in a defence first system , For sure he moves up if he repeats having amazing seasons like he just had
probably the redraft i disagree with the most, at least partly because it’s just a really solid draft class overall.
Am I missing something here? How is Guentzel below Nurse??
Canadian bias
Nurse is a number 1 d man on a contending team. Guentzel is a solid top 6 winger. Speaks for itself.
@@suburbanindie not at all
@@ajhambly6818 guetzel is a first line all star, nurse is one of the most overrated players in hockey and wouldn’t be a top defenseman on any team with a capable defense, which Edmonton doesn’t have.
@@thomasibach234 Nurse is actually incredibly underrated simply bc he’s one of the only top d men that doesn’t start in the o zone most of the time which means his point totals don’t match other “top” d men (which is only bc the Oilers have a deep blue line w two more offensively gifted d men). Despite being put in difficult situations against the top players from around the league more often than other “top” d men, Nurse’s underlying numbers remain very solid. Guentzel is a top 6 winger who’s had the privilege of playing on a line with Crosby for his entire career. That isn’t a knock on him, he’s a very good player but he isn’t the cornerstone of the pens offence whereas Nurse is the defensive cornerstone of a WCF Oilers team.
So glad the Avs took MacKinnon. There was a lot of talk locally that they might have gone with Seth Jones. Part of that was that Seth's Dad Popeye Jones played for the Nuggets, so Seth Jones lived in Denver in his youth.
1. Mackinnon
2. Barkov
3. Lindholm
4. Guentzel
5. Theodore
6. Saros
7. Buchnevich
8. Jones
9. Weegar
10. Nurse
11. Bertuzzi
12. Horvat
13. Pesce
14. Nichushkin
15. Pulock
I think Bjorkstrand and Burakovsky are probably the only ones underrated here. Mostly just here to say it's a good list since this is a really hard redraft
I agree
I think you by and large do a very good job on these re-drafts but I would respectfully say I don't think this is one of your better evaluations.
I agree barkov>mackinnon
@@Jman-cx4bd r u high? Lol
@@NotodayUrsidae barkov just had the same amount of points as mackinnon in the same amount of games. He was also third in selke votes. Are you high lol
@@Jman-cx4bd The way Mack impacts the game and drives play is only rivalled by a select few
@@brandonnarayan5796 doesn’t compare to barkov a defensive game at all
This draft was so deep THG could do the second round and it would be full of top six wingers and d-men!
I think Guentzel is too low and I definitely wouldn’t take Paul over Domi (Domi has almost 4 times as many points and double the games played), but solid list
Paul has only played on lottery Ottawa teams until this year. There is so much more to a player than points and it shows that you don’t know that and don’t watch nick paul. I like Domi, but you’re just silly
@@matthewgannon9631 I don’t think me taking Max Domi over Nick Paul means I know nothing about hockey. That’s just about as big a stretch as you can possibly make.
@@matthewgannon9631 max Domi has also played on teams such as Arizona, Montreal, and Columbus. Not exactly cup contenders.
@@cnash9744 all of those teams he played for finished higher than ottawa all of those seasons. Even the Yotes.
@@matthewgannon9631 just because the teams he was on were ever so slightly worse doesn’t mean I would change my mind and pick him over Domi. Yes he is excellent defensively, but ultimately I would rather take a player who puts up 40-50 points than one who puts up 20-25 and is an excellent PK guy
Lehkonen was a joy to watch on the playoffs. Great decision making abd commitment the the system at both ends of the ice.
You can see that the organization was impressed with him and Nichushkin and rewarded them both.
As they should be. The league is fast, and Colorado is the pinnacle of that. Lehkonen brought incredibly important depth for a team that lost out in 2021 explicitly due to their lack of depth and Nickachu is one of the best two-way forwards in the league.
Guentzel is WAY too low. I gotta agree with others here, this re-draft is more puzzling than others.
I understand why Shannon would not want Dallas to take Nichushkin again. But, it appears that the Avs selected Nichushkin over Burakovsky in 2022 free agency. The Avs gave Nichushkin a huge contract while letting Burakovsky walk.
Different players and different needs. Burky is very streaky. He was healthy scratched during the playoffs at points. Lekhonen was also brought in as insurance against the loses of Burakovsky and Kadri (not entirely each, but he will take Kadri's PP spot and Burakovsky's 2nd line spot).
Even when he's not scoring as many points as Burky, Nichushkin is just much more consistent and generates a lot more dangerous scoring chances imo. I remember when the Avs first got him and for the first 20-30 or so games, he wouldn't score any goals, but he'd have so many good breakaway opportunities.
I'm definitely putting Guentzel as 4th above Seth Jones and the rest there. I honestly don't think any of those players are as good as he is
Same. I was scratching my head when I saw Guentzel at 9th
look out thg might leave an angry response here since you disagreed with him lol
Goatzel
I'd put Seth Jones above Guentzel. Top-pairing RHD are so incredibly valuable to NHL teams in a way that even a really good scoring winger is not.
If I'm picking D at five then Pesce over Nurse or Jones , And we already have him in Carolina :) .
4 of these players were on the Avalanche last year.
Sakic needs to keep his collection going
Edit: Plus I forget that Avs used to have Zadorov, who also went in the first round that year.
In addition to the ones in the video, we drafted Compher in the 2nd round.
Calgary has had 7 different players from this first round at various points in time as well
@@TheBuuurnz yea, but they also had 3 picks to begin with
@@E1660r The Avs did not draft Compher ... they got him in the ROR trade.
@@AlyxiSistahTweaky25 my mistake, I was thinking we drafted him.
You need to do a 2009 redraft!! There were SO MANY good players!
If Mantha is at 15 despite injury issues, surely Monahan should be up there due to injuries as well?
I watched the 2013 redraft this week and thought it could use an update. Nice work!
It doesn't really matter but Buchnevich is unquestionably better than Mantha
And Wennberg shouldn’t even be in the 1st round 🤦🏻♂️
It's crazy how many of these players are/were on the Avs in the past two seasons. MacKinnon, Val, Artturi, and Burky all part of the cup and Ryan Graves was on the team recently.
Sorry but Monahan is laughably low. Yeah he fell off, but he was a legit #1C for many years
Players I would take earlier: Guentzel at 5, Saros at 4, I'd probably take Pulock a few spots earlier but not sure where now. Monahan, not sure but I'd probably take him before Mantha and Morrissey based on his career so far. Maybe before Burakovsky and wherever Pulock ends up. Hard to argue with the rest imo.
Im still taking monahan at 6. His been pretty consistent before his recent injuries
If I remember correctly leading up to the 2013 draft Barkov was ranked 6th at best 18th at worst. So it was a surprise that he went 2nd over Seth Jones & Drouin. When asked why Barkov Dale Tallon said he made a strong impression in the interview.
Guentzel at 9 is really rough take. U have horvat 2 spots higher lmfao
I'm still taking Monahan at 6... BEFORE his injuries man was a beast
I’d have Guentzel top 4 and Monahan higher but good list besides that
this draft is insane i absolutly love the mackinnon and barkov
Mine would be:
1. Mackinnon
2. Barkov
3. Saros
4. Guentzel
5. Theodore
6. Lindholm
7. Weegar
8. Pulock
9. Jones
10. Morrissey
I think Guentzel should be way higher, I'd probably have him at 3
I agree
Sean Monahan easily still top 10, sure he’s struggling now, but he’s 27 still in his prime and can bounce back
He can bounce back, but he's never going to be a great top 6 center again. Double hip surgeries are going to ensure that he'll never skate well enough to be top 6 consistently.
I might be crazy but I would put guentzel et saros in the top 5. Buchnevich seems low especially seeing him under mantha. It’s hard because this draft is ridiculously deep, but yeah there’s a few guys that seems low for me.
Good draft by Pittsburgh getting Guentzel and Jarry considering they didn't have any first round picks.
Saros would be way higher on my list but other than that I agree pretty much
As a Sabres fan who has watched every game of Ristolainen's career I would bet my house he doesn't fall to #22 on a redraft if it were possible for it ever to occur. There's just no way. He's a very solid NHL defenseman. He was the #1 for the Sabres on historically bad teams. I don't know where he would go, but I find it very hard to believe NHL general managers would let him slip much from 8. He's huge, has some offensive side to his game and is not afraid to mix it up. I'm not his biggest fan, and many Sabres fans disliked him. However, the kid can play as a top 4 defenseman on probably any team in the league. How is that dropping past pick 10 or so? I don't see it.
He might be one of the unluckiest guys in the league being on last place teams his entire career. Who would have thought Philly might be worse than Buffalo? Ouch.
Why do people keep saying Risto had a bad year last year? He and Sanheim were our only good defensemen last year. Hell those 2 along with Atkinson were the only players that didn't give up last year. I think the man is a beast and plays Flyer hockey in a way no one has since Pronger retired
Nurse way to high, Guenztal way to low.
I think that's too low for Monahan. Until he got injured, he was 1st in goals for the draft class. As it stands now, he is 3rd in goals and 3rd in points. I would bet that there won't be 23 players who finish their careers with as many goals or points. Tough one to weigh out here considering that points aren't everything. However, being the 3rd best goal scorer and likely not dropping to 23rd even if he retires today, I think that's too big of a reaction to his injury. Nurse is too high on this list I think as well - not sure he moves up a spot, as I do think there have been players pushing from below that are probably more valuable. Ristolainen going to the Flames is interesting, as the Flames' analytics guys have Ristolainen has the label "Do not acquire" by them - means nothing with regards to this redraft, but it is funny that he ends up in Calgary. Interesting takeaways here though. This draft year may have just as much movement in a future redraft in another 5 or 10 years.
Statement from Anthony Duclair "De kese j't'ai faite?" (Translation; "What the hell I do to you?")
I would have Saros way higher. He was really elite the past two seasons and even if he hasn’t had as lengthy careers as some of those other guys his stats overshadow that
He literally took Nashville from being a "fringe chance of winning a game or 2" in every pool with him in to "not a fucking chance they even win a game" with him out. Easily a top 10 goalie. If he was 3-4 inches taller, he'd be top 5 on every list.
This re draft the players you pick feel like could go up 2 to 3 spots but that’s how deep this draft was
Pesce over Guenztel is something I really don’t get
No issues from me about this redraft for the most part. As a Flames fan and a Bo Horvat fan I’d definitely take him over Nurse, but that just my preference on that pick. Hope for all the best with Monahan though in Montreal and going forward with his career. Solid, really good player when healthy and hopefully he can get back to being healthy again and have a good comeback with the Canadiens this year.
For those curious about why their team was missing from this list, here are all of the trades for first round picks in 2013 (via wikipedia):
The New Jersey Devils' first-round pick (9th overall) went to the Vancouver Canucks as the result of a trade on June 30, 2013, that sent Cory Schneider to New Jersey in exchange for this pick.
The Minnesota Wild's first-round pick (16th overall) went to the Buffalo Sabres as the result of trade on April 3, 2013, that sent Jason Pominville and a fourth-round pick in 2014 to Minnesota in exchange for Matt Hackett, Johan Larsson, a second-round pick in 2014 and this pick.
The Detroit Red Wings' first-round pick (18th overall) went to the San Jose Sharks as the result of a trade on June 30, 2013, that sent a first-round pick in 2013 (20th overall) and Pittsburgh's second-round pick in 2013 (58th overall) to Detroit in exchange for this pick.
The New York Rangers' first-round pick (19th overall) went to the Columbus Blue Jackets as the result of a trade on July 23, 2012, that sent Rick Nash, Steven Delisle and a conditional third-round pick in 2013 to New York in exchange for Artem Anisimov, Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon and this pick.
The San Jose Sharks' first-round pick (20th overall) went to the Detroit Red Wings as the result of a trade on June 30, 2013, that sent a first-round pick in 2013 (18th overall) to San Jose in exchange Pittsburgh's second-round pick in 2013 (58th overall) and this pick.
The St. Louis Blues' first-round pick (22nd overall) went to the Calgary Flames as the result of a trade on April 1, 2013, that sent Jay Bouwmeester to St. Louis in exchange for Mark Cundari, Reto Berra, and this pick (being conditional at the time of the trade). The condition - Calgary will receive St. Louis' first-round pick in 2013 if St. Louis qualifies for the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs - was converted on April 23, 2013.
The Los Angeles Kings' first-round pick (27th overall) went to the Columbus Blue Jackets as a result of a trade on February 23, 2012, that sent Jeff Carter to Los Angeles in exchange for Jack Johnson and this pick (being conditional at the time of the trade). One condition was converted on April 5, 2012, when Los Angeles qualified for the 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs, giving Columbus the right to choose between Los Angeles' first-round picks in either 2012 or 2013. The other condition was converted on June 22, 2012, when Columbus chose not to take Los Angeles' first round pick in 2012, giving them this pick.
The Pittsburgh Penguins' first-round pick (28th overall) went to the Calgary Flames as the result of a trade on March 27, 2013, that sent Jarome Iginla to Pittsburgh in exchange for Kenny Agostino, Ben Hanowski and this pick.
The Boston Bruins' first-round pick (29th overall) went to the Dallas Stars as the result of a trade on April 2, 2013, that sent Jaromir Jagr to Boston in exchange for Lane MacDermid, Cody Payne and this pick (being conditional at the time of the trade). The condition - Dallas will receive a first-round pick if Boston advances to the 2013 Eastern Conference Finals - was converted on May 25, 2013.
I would take about everyone below mantha above him
A lot of changes that I would personally make. I would have Guentzel, Saros, Weegar, Monahan & Lehkonen all drafted higher than they are and I would have Jones, Nurse, Mantha, Bertuzzi & Ristolainen all drafter lower
Habs legend Jonathan Drouin.
I would definitely take Pesce and Buchnevich over Risto and Zadorov, who Buffalo originally drafted.
Not bad list but idk why Pesce is so high. He’s a good defenseman but he hasn’t been nearly as elite as players like Guentzel and Saros, and I would definitely take him probably past 20th. I feel like the other players are these great forwards and defenseman that have had really amazing seasons whereas pesce is just a good defenseman. But I never looked at the advanced stats so I could be wrong.
Barkov is so underrated, says literally everyone so we all just agree he is one of the best in the league
I love Horvat, he’s my favourite Canuck. But I would not complain about Guentzel.
The Schneider trade saved this draft from being another Mike Gillis masterclass in futility.
Based on all your redrafts it would be interesting to go through the new rosters
Judging by the comments, Horvat is still very underrated. He’s everything you want a C to be. Ever since he said he models his game after Toews, I’ve always paid extra attention to him.
Remember guys, it’s all for fun you can disagree but still be respectful
Lindholm #3, Guentzel #4, Horvat #5, Theodore #6, Nurse #7, Pesce #8, Jones #9. Guentzel might even be 3rd actually... but its close
WAIT what jarry, weegar, Saros and buchnevich are also wayyyy to low. Definitly your worst redraft
Jones is better than nurse better offensively better passer shooter play driver bigger stronger slightly less better in transition good 1PP option nurse is like a 1PP B option more of a 2PP guy defensively they are similar in impact I can’t see his value being lower to what he brings to the table than nurse
@@marcussilva4011 lol
@@marcussilva4011 its close for sure
avs sure love that 2013 draft
Nurse shouldn't be a 1st round .
13/30 players originally drafted outside the 1st round, a lot of underwhelming/busts in round 1 but good finds in later rounds
I don't think people realize that Guentzel is the first 40 goal scorer Crosby's ever had on his wing, and he's gotten that many twice now
It’s hard to rank from 3-13 (top two are clear). They could go in any order for the most part
Remember when many Florida fans were mortified (and basically everyone else were scratching their heads) when Florida took Barkov over Drouin and Seth Jones? Turns out those scouts really were on to something there.
So bad for Barkov. He could be in Tampa now (Tampa wanted a center).
Is this based on career going forward?
Mantha and burakovsky above buchnevich is crazy
You can argue Barkov vs Mackinnon and you can definitely argue everyone after that.
If you really wanted, you could argue Colorado has 2 players more valuable than MacKinnon..
Makar and ?
@@aamocryp Rantanen probably
A very minor thing, but it's actually Aleksander Barkov, not Alexander.
Or just Sasha...
He should be first on the redraft
@@Jman-cx4bd that is a hot take!
@@hanslamontagne is it tho he just put up the same amount of points in the same amount of games as mackinnon whilst being third in selke votes. It’s not a hot take it’s just that he’s underrated.
@@Jman-cx4bd I like his overall game but find McKinnon to be someone who can put an entire team on his back, he’s explosive and the leadership qualities are what move the needle for me. I can’t see Barkov kicking the dressing room door in and rallying the troops like Nate does. Frankly, I would be ecstatic to have either but that’s just how I’d do it.
Jake’s gotta be 3 or 4
That Avalanche hat. I need one like that
Deep draft indeed!
Will you do 14 aswell?
I love how if you factor in each if these redrafts, the jets would have hellebuyck, Gibson, and sarros 🤣🤣
It's ok hockey guy, I would take Burakovsky anyway cause of the extra cup ring so it makes sense
I think you've got Monahan too low as well. You've got him below a guy whose career points per game is 0.42, meanwhile Monahan had 6 seasons with a PPG between 0.68 and 1.05. You'd really pass on a guy at 21st overall who could be your 1st line C for 6 years before you have to replace him in order to draft a career 2nd/3rd line guy (who, we still don't know, could also be done in 3 more years)?
surprised you have Drouin in top 30.. I would not. never lived up to expectations, never goes into the corners, can not handle pressure cause he was babied from an early age
Only one I think is too high is Ristolainen. Barring his bad year in Philly, yes he's tough, but weren't his advanced stats trash when he was in Buffalo too? I would at least take Monahan over him personally.
I would move Copp up, but maybe I'm one of those mentioned who overrates him. I did like his game when he was in Winnipeg too though.
Well, mine is much different than Shannons (if there were 32 picks in the first round):
1. Nathan MacKinnon
2. Aleksander Barkov
3. Sean Monahan (I really believe it was his situation in Calgary that stymied his last couple of seasons)
4. Elias Lindholm
5. Bo Horvat
6. Seth Jones
7. Jake Guentzel
8. Max Domi
9. Andre Burakovsky
10. Pavel Buchnevich
11. Alexsander Wennberg
12. Rasmus Ristolainen
13. Anthony Duclair
14. Juuse Saros
15. Jonathan Drouin
16. Oliver Bjorkstrand
17. Shea Theodore
18. Anthony Mantha
19. Andrew Copp
20. Darnell Nurse
21. Ryan Hartman
22. Tristan Jarry
23. Tyler Bertuzzi
24. Josh Morrissey
25. Valeri Nichushkin
26. Artturi Lehkonen
27. Brett Pesce
28. Ryan Pulock
29. Mattias Janmark
30. J.T. Compher
31. MacKenzie Weegar
32. Miles Wood
Barkov should be one he just put up the same amount of points in the same amount of games as mackinnon whilst being third in selke votes.
Nurse at 20? Uhhhh......
@@russiants1668 Yeah I underrate defencemen and goalies. rarely does a highly picked defenceman produce as well as a forward in the same spot.
And goalies are basically the QB draft pick of the NHL. Nobody knows how well any of them are going to do in the show because there's just so many factors.
@@Ryuzakku sure, but these are proven players. You aren’t taking a risk, this isn’t a “put yourself in the moment” redraft, you have 9 years of play to look at.
Duclair at 13, but no Verhaeghe on the list?
Not a big fan of Nurse, PERSONALLY I would switch Guentzel (as a Flyers fan so no Pens-bias) and Nurse
Guentzel is too low, and also there is absolutely no way the Habs should choose anyone other than Lehky at 25 since he was still available, also Douin may be a headache but 29th is a bit of an insult considering several ppl who were put ahead....yeah this one is weird man
It was fun!
Shannon, it's been a couple years since your 2014 redraft and a lot has changed. Can we expect that soon hopefully?
To say I disagree would be an understatement. To be fair, there's a ton of overrated and underrated (or at least divisive) players in this class, but some of those choices are perplexing. Just gonna leave mine and how it compares to yours and see where others stand. Added small bits of criticism. It's fine to disagree and this is your list and that is suuuuper fine but I'm sure you'll find I'm not alone. I hope this isn't seen as a tear down or anything, just surprised at how far off it is from how I see things.
1. Mackinnon -
2. Barkov -
3. Weegar +16 (idk if all your fans feel this way but he's been an analytical superstar for 2 years and has similar criticisms to Lindholm with better analytics. He has untimely errors but the guy is unreal imo)
4. Lindholm -
5. Guentzel +4
6. Theodore -3
7. Saros +6 (I mean he's a goalie and I understand taking him later but that's due to risk. Knowing what you've got, guy's a gem.)
8. Buchnevich +8
9. Horvat -2
10. Bertuzzi +8
11. Bjorkstrand +6
12. Burakovsky -2
13. Jones -8 (Weird case. Everything suggests he's fallen off a cliff so he should receive the Monahan treatment imo, although to a lesser degree.)
14. Pesce -6 (I love him but what's going on here?)
15. Morrissey -1
16. Lehkonen +12
17. Verhaeghe +7
18. Jarry +2
19. Nurse -13 (overrated as hell as far as I'm concerned but it's a fine place to disagree)
20. Nichushkin -9 (I'm sorry, what was he doing all the way up there with the guys behind him? Mindboggling considering Duclair didn't make the list and Weegar was 19th)
21. Pulock -9
22. Duclair *left out*
23. Copp -2
24. Mantha -9
25. Monahan -2
26. Graves -1
27. Domi *left out* (I really don't get how much you're valuing recency vs career performance)
28. Hartman -2
29. Zadorov *left out*
30. Wennberg -3
Nurse at 19 is absolutely absurd. He's UNDERRATED if anything (though perhaps a little overpaid)
Love the respect for Bertuzzi on your list. From a Wings fan, I would take Bert 100/100 times over Mantha based on work ethic alone.
@@dylanpage1900 Mantha over Bertuzzi is one of the sillier things I saw for sure
Guentzel is at the very least Top 5 in this draft
Good video as always, although I would put Saros top five
Solid draft year. I'd have Lindholm ahead of Theodore.
How is Risto still a first round pick?
Tyler bertizzi; heavily underrated
Horvat at 7😭😭😭
saros at 13 is just disrespectful i can’t understand it
Number 3 overall, Macks juniors bff, drouin
Domi should definitely be up there bro
This time next year I think Saros would be taken #3
I haven't seen much of Pesce... but picking him the top 10, let alone in front of Guentzel and Durarowski... that seems weird
I would've put Guentzel above horvat an dumped Pesce/Horvat down 1. I see why you put him there though
Almost certainly EDM fans would trade Nurse for Juuse Saros in a heartbeat! lol even if the Cap hit was the same.
the reredraft
Guentzel this low is a crime, 2 time 40 goal scorer and a ppg player. I would take him at 3
Barkov should be number one the guy was third in selke votes and put the same points in the same games as mackinnon. Barkov>mackinnon and I don’t think it’s that close
"and I don’t think it’s that close"
Then you need to find better drugs.
i would put saros a lot higher but good vid
Horvat should go higher than Jones and Nurse. Pesce ahead of those two D, too. Swap Copp and Bertuzzi
Hell, is Monahan can't play for Montreal, they'll still have a good first round pick out of the trade :D