3 of Colorado's draft picks that year are in the top 14 of the redraft. And as a coincidence, Colorado had to face those 3 players on the way during their stanley cup run this year, in order. Duchene their first round pick in the first round with the Preds, O'reilly their second round pick in the second round with the Blues, and Tyson Barrie their third round pick in the conference final aka the third round with the Oilers. Colorado had no fourth round pick otherwise chances would have had him on the Lightning.
Pretty crazy stacked draft actually, though it does fall off after the top few. My list: 1. Victor Hedman - Arguably the best defenseman of the past 7 or 8 years. A Norris, a Conn Smythe, and five third place Norris finishes. 2. John Tavares - One of the top goal-scorers of the past decade. Scored 47 goals in 2018-19. 3. Ryan O'Reilly - Among the best defensive forwards of his time. One Selke win and many other Selke votes, along with a Cup and Conn Smythe in 2019. 4. Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Amazing goal-scoring defenseman in his early years with Arizona. Received some Norris attention as well. 5. Matt Duchene - Despite turning 31 years old last season, had a career best 86 points in 78 games last year. 6. Brayden Schenn - Has been a great top 6 forward for 13 years of his career. 7. Robin Lehner - Won the Masterton and was 3rd in Vezina voting in 2018-19. 8. Chris Kreider - Will rise if he has more years like this past one, when he scored 52 goals. 9. Darcy Kuemper - Won his first Stanley Cup this past year and had a couple excellent seasons with the Coyotes. 10. Nazem Kadri - Had a breakout year this year with 87 points in just 71 games. Has otherwise been a great 2nd line forward. 11. Mike Hoffman - Underrated forward who can be the linchpin of a 2nd line. 12. Evander Kane - Personality issues drop him a little, but he can be relied on as a strong offensive piece to any top 6 group. 13. Tyson Barrie - Regardless of defensive woes, he's a very capable offensive defenseman. 14. Nick Leddy - Solid all-around defenseman with 851 games already. 15. Anders Lee - Captain of the Islanders for several years now is a reliable goal scoring threat. 16. Mattias Ekholm - Solid defensive defenseman who also provides good offense 17. Reilly Smith - 3rd all-time in scoring for the Vegas Golden Knights and a solid middle six forward for many years. 18. Tomas Tatar - Streaky scorer, but extremely dangerous when he's hot. Six 20+ goal seasons. 19. Ryan Ellis - Short, but solid defenseman with over 500 games for the Predators. 20. Kyle Palmieri - Surprisingly effective sniper with four 25+ goal seasons. 21. Marcus Johansson - Great complementary third liner who had a few years as a top six forward. 22. Dmitri Kulikov - Long career already with 805 games and was a steady top 4 defender for the Panthers for years. 23. Craig Smith - Excellent middle six forward who can provide steady offense. 24. Jakob Silfverberg - Long-time Duck has been a reliable offensive player, scoring 20+ goals three times. 25. Dmitry Orlov - Reliable top 4 defenseman for the Capitals for 10 years. 26. Eric Haula - Had a great 29-goal season with Vegas in 2017-18 and had remained a solid middle six forward since then. 27. Marcus Foligno - Has developed into a good middle six winger for the Wild. 28. Sami Vatanen - No longer in the NHL, but was a desirable top four defender for all nine years of his NHL career. 29. David Savard - A remnant of the past with his big and strong defensive play. 30. Mikko Koskinen - A regular netminder for the Oilers for four seasons and had a very strong 2019-20 season. Other names: Anders Nilsson, Cody Eakin , Kyle Clifford, Ben Chiarot, John Moore, Brayden McNabb
Avs beat their top 3 picks in the '09 draft this past year in the playoffs lol in order too. Duchene was a 1st rd pick, O'Reilly 2nd rd, and Barrie was a 3rd rd pick. Beat Duchene/Preds in Rd 1, then O'Reilly/Blues in rd 2, then Barrie/Oilers in rd 3.
As an Isles fan I 100% agree with Hedman at 1. I thought that back in 09 too, but with the turmoil the team was in back then Tavares was the clear choice to get the fans excited. They needed that star up front . No one ever bought a ticket to see defense.
The middle of this video, the amount Shannon has said "another defenceman, another defenceman" now I have Intergalactic by beastie boys stuck in my head.
I live in Ottawa and I remember hearing from people that had bumped into Lehner at downtown bars after his Calder Cup win in the AHL and he was still pissed that the Sens were consistently looking past him. They brought in Bishop for nothing, and traded him for nothing. They got Hammond for free, and decided to take the risk on the obvious flash-in-the-pan rather than stick with their young goalie that obviously just needed somebody who gave a damn about him to help him with his alcohol and anger problems. Dorion was head of player personnel and then AGM through that mess and is part of why I don’t like and don’t trust that weasel to do the right thing on or off the ice.
For those wondering why their team doesn't have a pick, copied this from wikipedia (and added the pick numbers). My favorite is that the Sharks' pick went from San Jose to Tampa to Ottawa to Islanders to Columbus. The Minnesota Wild's first-round pick (12th overall) went to the New York Islanders as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent Columbus' first and third-round picks both in 2009 (16th and 77th overall) and a seventh-round pick in 2009 (182nd overall) to Minnesota in exchange for this pick. The Columbus Blue Jackets' first-round pick (16th overall) went to the Minnesota Wild as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent Minnesota's first-round pick (12th overall) to the New York Islanders in exchange for Columbus' third-round pick in 2009 (77th overall), a seventh-round pick in 2009 (182nd overall) and this pick. - New York previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent San Jose's first-round pick in 2009 (26th overall), Toronto's second-round pick in 2009 (37th overall), and a third and fourth-round pick both in 2009 (62nd and 92nd overall) to Columbus in exchange for a third-round pick in 2009 (77th overall) and this pick. The Calgary Flames' first-round pick (20th overall) went to the New Jersey Devils as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent a first and third-round pick both in 2009 (23rd and 84th overall) to Calgary in exchange for this pick. The Philadelphia Flyers' first-round pick (21st overall) went to the Columbus Blue Jackets as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent San Jose's first-round pick in 2009 (26th overall) and Toronto's second-round pick in 2009 (37th overall) to Anaheim in exchange for this pick. Anaheim previously acquired this pick (21st overall) as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent Chris Pronger and Ryan Dingle to Philadelphia in exchange for Joffrey Lupul, Luca Sbisa, a first-round pick in 2010, a conditional third-round pick in 2010 or 2011, and this pick. The New Jersey Devils' first-round pick (23rd overall) went to the Calgary Flames as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent a first-round pick in 2009 (20th overall) to New Jersey in exchange for a third-round pick in 2009 (84th overall) and this pick. The San Jose Sharks' first-round pick (26th overall) went to the Anaheim Ducks as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent Philadelphia's first-round pick in 2009 (21st overall) to Columbus in exchange for Toronto's second-round pick in 2009 (37th overall) and this pick. - Columbus previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent a first and third-round pick both in 2009 (16th and 77th overall) to the New York Islanders in exchange for Toronto's second-round pick in 2009 (37th overall), and a third and fourth-round pick both in 2009 (62nd and 92nd overall) and this pick. - New York previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on February 20, 2009 that sent Mike Comrie and Chris Campoli to Ottawa in exchange for Dean McAmmond and this pick. - Ottawa previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on August 29, 2008 that sent Andrej Meszaros to Tampa Bay in exchange for Filip Kuba, Alexandre Picard and this pick. - Tampa Bay previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on July 4, 2008 that sent Dan Boyle and Brad Lukowich to San Jose in exchange for Matt Carle, Ty Wishart, a fourth-round pick in 2010 and this pick. The Detroit Red Wings' first-round pick went to the Tampa Bay Lightning (29th overall) as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent a second-round pick in 2009 (32nd overall) and Florida's third-round pick in 2009 (75th overall) to Detroit in exchange for this pick.
What’s crazy about Hedman is that his “elite” play only started at age 26, in 2016-2017. He played 7 seasons prior to that. He was good in all those seasons but not amongst the best. From 2016-2017 on, he never looked back. Won one Norris and was runner-up for five. Edit: not uncommon for defensemen back in the day to hit their prime at 26-28 years old, but nowadays defensemen are showing their elite potential at a much younger age.
For more defensively-oriented defensemen, their peak is late 20s-early 30s. Slavin, Brodin, and Pelech have had the same developmental curve as Hedman. Makar and Fox broke out around the exact same time as Erik Karlsson did, aka. their age 23-24 seasons. They developed earlier because they are offensive players first and defensemen second.
Shannon have ever looked back at these redrafts and totalled up who's picked the most players of the ones you've selected? Think there's some interesting things that can be looked at there. For example how it seems that teams who regularly are in cup contention seem to draft well in late rounds and find "steals" and many of the teams who struggle rarely have a late round player in your redrafts. Or how does Nashville draft so well when it comes to defensemen? Is that great scouting, a quality development system or both. Might be something worth looking back at and comparing some time
David Rundblad was originally drafted by the blues at number 17. He was then traded to Ottawa for a 2010 first round pick which ended up being Vladimir Tarasenko
Something interesting about Tavares, above her his points, is that he is one of the best players in the world at taking faceoffs. He was second in the NHL last year and I think similar the year before. I just wish he was a faster skater.
@@jg6693 It was a very drafty draft. On a completely unrelated topic, they should do an outdoor draft, in subzero weather, with hockey execs huddling around space heaters for warmth, and Bettman completely engulfed in an overlarge Canada Goose jacket. "I trade nounce!"
Switching hedman and tavares around is the right move. I still remember how excited I was about Tavares spring 2009 and how cool it was to see him get drafted 1st overallt live. His career didn't pan out the way we thought at all. Not even close. Yes, he's been "good".Sometimes almost great. But nowhere near what we thought.
Hey Shannon, Love the channel & love the redraft videos, I was wondering as a Vegas fan would you consider redrafting the 2017-18 Vegas Entry draft just for fun to see if you'd have a different take how the inaugural Vegas team shook out 5 years ago.
Glad to see the Kyle Clifford honorable mention. I would take him in the late first. If you look at the early career, and the type of presence he was, that could easily have continued on longer, if not for getting his bell rung a couple of times. That combined with winning young gave his career arc a downward slope that, if you were starting over today, might not occur. He also had a lot of upside that went undeveloped because he immediately fit into that role so well.
@@Nxrthluvsyou even more, sort of a 10 year period for example, in which a given team drafts the best available players in hindsight. Very very interesting how much fate of some teams would change. Eventually how well you draft determines how well you do in the long run. You grow some prospects, you flip others for veterans etc, it's the ultimate make or break for a tesm imho.
I remember getting into a weeks long discussion about this draft with an Islander fan at work, in the weeks leading up to the draft. He was going back and forth who he wanted, Tavares, Hedman, Duchene. My argument was that they had screwed up so many drafts in recent years that they should just go with the safe pick, which was Tavares. Another team could afford to take chances and overthink it, but not the Islanders. Even though Hedman has obviously turned out the better player, I still think Tavares was the best pick for the Islanders, even with how it turned out in the end.
Big fan of the 2009 draft! Though Matt Duchene was a decent player for the Avs, the best thing he ever did for the Avs was to enable Joe to swindle Ottawa which helped significantly to get the Avs the 2022 Cup.
If they had though, the Avs probably wouldn't have Makar, MacKinnon may have not become the insane player he's become; no Newhook, Burky or Toews. The Avs would've been a vastly different team than they are now.
After 13 years we can agree that Hedman has found the best place to play. In Tampa, player development is the best in the league, with Cooper behind the bench they score a lot, so he can show his offensive skills like last year when he had 20 goals. If he was taken by Islanders, he still could put great numbers and be one of the best d-mans in NHL, but I am not sure about his offense. Similiar to Niedermayer in NJ and in Anaheim. In both places he was elite, but when he played for Ducks, he scored a lot more.
Weird fact: I always saw your comments and glanced at your picture. I would've sworn to anything it was a saxophone. Seeing it wasn't was a weird reality check mixed with Mandela effect. So there you go! My story about your pfp lmao
c'mon Shannon. Redraft the 1970 NHL draft so Vancouver gets Gilbert Perreault and Buffalo ends up with Dale Tallon, and everything goes right for you.....🥰
I agree that Hedman was the best player in that years draft and should of went #1 Specially when you look back on who has had a more successful career in the NHL Im a Avs fan and i was hurt when Ryan O’Reily headed out of town and always enjoyed watching him develop in to the player he is today.
After watching a bunch of these redraft videos, and seeing how many boards don't have a Sharks logo, I have a better understanding of how we go to this low point 😅
"Gentlemanly player." By 80s and early 90s standards, everyone's a "gentlemanly player" now. Gino Odjick made Brad Marchand today look like a perennial Lady Byng candidate.
Kane scores a lot, but when you actually look at his numbers, he’s the quintessential “scores a lot against garbage teams”. When he first went to San Jose, I remember doing the research and almost all of his goals came against the bottom 10-12 teams.
I remember at the time JT was so good from so young. Everytime I saw him in the OHL he scored atleast a hat trick. Hedman the clear number one by a mile now though.
Tavares is still number 1. He would easily gets cups and accolades if he played on other teams. The numbers are so consistent. Nobody else comes close. He's put bad teams on his back. NYI has never had a player since that is nearly as good as he is today
I'm still in therapy over the Jackets taking John Moore at #21. I don't know if I'd take Orlov over Savard though. David gave us a lot of good years here in Columbus.
So Philly had no draft pick this year or next, because they traded for a defenseman who ended up injured. And the only current Flyer worth taking in the redraft for any team this year? A defenseman who ended up injured. Weird.
@@Cacuna it has a crap-ton of top 6 forwards and top 4 d. It doesn’t have good goalies, but the names from this draft have consistently been around and quality. It’s a well above-average draft class that would sit outside of some of the truly great years.
Tavares is like Hall ... both always had other stars playing with them ... I remember watching him at the WJC and from what I saw ... it was his linemates who were the difference makers ... not that Tavares was bad... his game just didn't jump out as much as both his linemates (one being Eberle.) Yes, Tavares puts up the points... he just never seems to be the guy who carries the team to the finish line. I don't know who #3 is yet... my guess is I'd take them ahead of Tavares.
Between Hedman & Tavares at the top you probably could go either way, especially when they were younger. Both are future hall of famers but I’m glad it went the way it did cause we got stammer the year before, we needed a stud on the blue line.
If you’re drafting strictly based off who has had the best career, hedman is 1st. But as an isles fan. If i went back in time to this draft with the knowledge of how this entire class panned out. I’m still taking jt 1st overall without hesitation. Idk if Hedman could’ve put the team on his back and carried below average teams to the playoffs year after year like jt did. I’m a true believer that a center is the most important position to a team (besides goaltender). I don’t see how the islanders would’ve ever made the playoffs with Frans Nielsen as a 1st line center. I also don’t know if Hedman has the same leadership qualities that jt had. Jt was the locker room leader from the day he arrived. Jt gave us culture, respect, a reason to watch games. Even though I mad that he left the way he did, I’ll never forgot all the great things he’s done for the team.
Also in defense of jt. I could never blame him for the shortcomings of the islanders. The best linemate he’s ever had is a debate between Matt Moulson and Kyle Okposo. JT’s best defender before the leddy/boychuk trades was mark streit who was 32 and already declining in JT’s rookie year. His best goalie was griess. Garth snow was terrible at his job and wasted the 9 years of JT’s career. The team could’ve been so much more than a perennial wild card contender with no home arena if Garth could do a better job.
Lol what, Hedman has "A" on his jersey for a reason. He is true leader who even could teach Rutta how to be 1st line d-man. Now without McDonagh his leadership will rise up even more. Stamkos, Hedman and Killorn are leaders in locker room.
Watching the Islanders pretty closely all the Tavares year, I never thought of him as a stellar leadership guy, He was captain because he was so by far their best player, but the Islanders were kind of lame most of those years and Tavares didn't seem to pick them up much. But I do think he was the right pick for them at the time.
@LETZ GO 2023 NHL draft He impressed me as a guy who got very famous too young and became shy of drawing too much attention to himself, so in his talks with the media he was very vanilla and didn't want to say anything controversial or to reveal too much of his private thoughts or personality. We'd been hearing about him since he was about 13 years old as the next great player, and he didn't like being in that spotlight, so he was very careful in how he presented himself to the public. I don't know how true this all is, but that was my impression.
@LETZ GO 2023 NHL draft this is so true. From my perspective of those isles teams, they saw how much he was putting in every night and followed him into battle. He’s also a guy who made his teammates so much better. Moulson, Bailey and Okposo have never been close to the production they had on JT’s wing, before or after being his linemate. Jt somehow made Bailey an all star. 😂 Anyone who can make josh Bailey look like a good player gets my approval.
3 of Colorado's draft picks that year are in the top 14 of the redraft. And as a coincidence, Colorado had to face those 3 players on the way during their stanley cup run this year, in order.
Duchene their first round pick in the first round with the Preds, O'reilly their second round pick in the second round with the Blues, and Tyson Barrie their third round pick in the conference final aka the third round with the Oilers. Colorado had no fourth round pick otherwise chances would have had him on the Lightning.
That is an amazing fact
Haha that’s epic
Pretty crazy stacked draft actually, though it does fall off after the top few. My list:
1. Victor Hedman - Arguably the best defenseman of the past 7 or 8 years. A Norris, a Conn Smythe, and five third place Norris finishes.
2. John Tavares - One of the top goal-scorers of the past decade. Scored 47 goals in 2018-19.
3. Ryan O'Reilly - Among the best defensive forwards of his time. One Selke win and many other Selke votes, along with a Cup and Conn Smythe in 2019.
4. Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Amazing goal-scoring defenseman in his early years with Arizona. Received some Norris attention as well.
5. Matt Duchene - Despite turning 31 years old last season, had a career best 86 points in 78 games last year.
6. Brayden Schenn - Has been a great top 6 forward for 13 years of his career.
7. Robin Lehner - Won the Masterton and was 3rd in Vezina voting in 2018-19.
8. Chris Kreider - Will rise if he has more years like this past one, when he scored 52 goals.
9. Darcy Kuemper - Won his first Stanley Cup this past year and had a couple excellent seasons with the Coyotes.
10. Nazem Kadri - Had a breakout year this year with 87 points in just 71 games. Has otherwise been a great 2nd line forward.
11. Mike Hoffman - Underrated forward who can be the linchpin of a 2nd line.
12. Evander Kane - Personality issues drop him a little, but he can be relied on as a strong offensive piece to any top 6 group.
13. Tyson Barrie - Regardless of defensive woes, he's a very capable offensive defenseman.
14. Nick Leddy - Solid all-around defenseman with 851 games already.
15. Anders Lee - Captain of the Islanders for several years now is a reliable goal scoring threat.
16. Mattias Ekholm - Solid defensive defenseman who also provides good offense
17. Reilly Smith - 3rd all-time in scoring for the Vegas Golden Knights and a solid middle six forward for many years.
18. Tomas Tatar - Streaky scorer, but extremely dangerous when he's hot. Six 20+ goal seasons.
19. Ryan Ellis - Short, but solid defenseman with over 500 games for the Predators.
20. Kyle Palmieri - Surprisingly effective sniper with four 25+ goal seasons.
21. Marcus Johansson - Great complementary third liner who had a few years as a top six forward.
22. Dmitri Kulikov - Long career already with 805 games and was a steady top 4 defender for the Panthers for years.
23. Craig Smith - Excellent middle six forward who can provide steady offense.
24. Jakob Silfverberg - Long-time Duck has been a reliable offensive player, scoring 20+ goals three times.
25. Dmitry Orlov - Reliable top 4 defenseman for the Capitals for 10 years.
26. Eric Haula - Had a great 29-goal season with Vegas in 2017-18 and had remained a solid middle six forward since then.
27. Marcus Foligno - Has developed into a good middle six winger for the Wild.
28. Sami Vatanen - No longer in the NHL, but was a desirable top four defender for all nine years of his NHL career.
29. David Savard - A remnant of the past with his big and strong defensive play.
30. Mikko Koskinen - A regular netminder for the Oilers for four seasons and had a very strong 2019-20 season.
Other names: Anders Nilsson, Cody Eakin , Kyle Clifford, Ben Chiarot, John Moore, Brayden McNabb
Avs beat their top 3 picks in the '09 draft this past year in the playoffs lol in order too. Duchene was a 1st rd pick, O'Reilly 2nd rd, and Barrie was a 3rd rd pick.
Beat Duchene/Preds in Rd 1, then O'Reilly/Blues in rd 2, then Barrie/Oilers in rd 3.
As an Isles fan I 100% agree with Hedman at 1. I thought that back in 09 too, but with the turmoil the team was in back then Tavares was the clear choice to get the fans excited. They needed that star up front . No one ever bought a ticket to see defense.
Bourque, Orr, lidstrom, pronger. Chelios, soon to be Makar the list can go on and on lmao
I know you’re point but people have and will pay to see defenders
My mom's favourite player on the leafs is Morgan Rielly... and she loved Ray Borque a long time ago too.
The middle of this video, the amount Shannon has said "another defenceman, another defenceman" now I have Intergalactic by beastie boys stuck in my head.
I live in Ottawa and I remember hearing from people that had bumped into Lehner at downtown bars after his Calder Cup win in the AHL and he was still pissed that the Sens were consistently looking past him. They brought in Bishop for nothing, and traded him for nothing. They got Hammond for free, and decided to take the risk on the obvious flash-in-the-pan rather than stick with their young goalie that obviously just needed somebody who gave a damn about him to help him with his alcohol and anger problems. Dorion was head of player personnel and then AGM through that mess and is part of why I don’t like and don’t trust that weasel to do the right thing on or off the ice.
Sending Savard to the Lightning is a stroke of genius. The man who walked Hedman in the sweep and later joined them for a Cup.
For those wondering why their team doesn't have a pick, copied this from wikipedia (and added the pick numbers). My favorite is that the Sharks' pick went from San Jose to Tampa to Ottawa to Islanders to Columbus.
The Minnesota Wild's first-round pick (12th overall) went to the New York Islanders as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent Columbus' first and third-round picks both in 2009 (16th and 77th overall) and a seventh-round pick in 2009 (182nd overall) to Minnesota in exchange for this pick.
The Columbus Blue Jackets' first-round pick (16th overall) went to the Minnesota Wild as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent Minnesota's first-round pick (12th overall) to the New York Islanders in exchange for Columbus' third-round pick in 2009 (77th overall), a seventh-round pick in 2009 (182nd overall) and this pick.
- New York previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent San Jose's first-round pick in 2009 (26th overall), Toronto's second-round pick in 2009 (37th overall), and a third and fourth-round pick both in 2009 (62nd and 92nd overall) to Columbus in exchange for a third-round pick in 2009 (77th overall) and this pick.
The Calgary Flames' first-round pick (20th overall) went to the New Jersey Devils as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent a first and third-round pick both in 2009 (23rd and 84th overall) to Calgary in exchange for this pick.
The Philadelphia Flyers' first-round pick (21st overall) went to the Columbus Blue Jackets as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent San Jose's first-round pick in 2009 (26th overall) and Toronto's second-round pick in 2009 (37th overall) to Anaheim in exchange for this pick.
Anaheim previously acquired this pick (21st overall) as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent Chris Pronger and Ryan Dingle to Philadelphia in exchange for Joffrey Lupul, Luca Sbisa, a first-round pick in 2010, a conditional third-round pick in 2010 or 2011, and this pick.
The New Jersey Devils' first-round pick (23rd overall) went to the Calgary Flames as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent a first-round pick in 2009 (20th overall) to New Jersey in exchange for a third-round pick in 2009 (84th overall) and this pick.
The San Jose Sharks' first-round pick (26th overall) went to the Anaheim Ducks as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent Philadelphia's first-round pick in 2009 (21st overall) to Columbus in exchange for Toronto's second-round pick in 2009 (37th overall) and this pick.
- Columbus previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent a first and third-round pick both in 2009 (16th and 77th overall) to the New York Islanders in exchange for Toronto's second-round pick in 2009 (37th overall), and a third and fourth-round pick both in 2009 (62nd and 92nd overall) and this pick.
- New York previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on February 20, 2009 that sent Mike Comrie and Chris Campoli to Ottawa in exchange for Dean McAmmond and this pick.
- Ottawa previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on August 29, 2008 that sent Andrej Meszaros to Tampa Bay in exchange for Filip Kuba, Alexandre Picard and this pick.
- Tampa Bay previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on July 4, 2008 that sent Dan Boyle and Brad Lukowich to San Jose in exchange for Matt Carle, Ty Wishart, a fourth-round pick in 2010 and this pick.
The Detroit Red Wings' first-round pick went to the Tampa Bay Lightning (29th overall) as the result of a trade on June 26, 2009 that sent a second-round pick in 2009 (32nd overall) and Florida's third-round pick in 2009 (75th overall) to Detroit in exchange for this pick.
Great call on this re-draft. Nice work
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What’s crazy about Hedman is that his “elite” play only started at age 26, in 2016-2017. He played 7 seasons prior to that. He was good in all those seasons but not amongst the best. From 2016-2017 on, he never looked back. Won one Norris and was runner-up for five.
Edit: not uncommon for defensemen back in the day to hit their prime at 26-28 years old, but nowadays defensemen are showing their elite potential at a much younger age.
he is a tall Swedish guy from the north of Sweden, they mature later than average. Like the guy in the video said he will probably play until his 40s
For more defensively-oriented defensemen, their peak is late 20s-early 30s. Slavin, Brodin, and Pelech have had the same developmental curve as Hedman. Makar and Fox broke out around the exact same time as Erik Karlsson did, aka. their age 23-24 seasons. They developed earlier because they are offensive players first and defensemen second.
His height is probably a factor there had to grow into his body and get comfortable
@@KanersCabride yeah?
@@freethinker8603 this isn't just some guy man
Shannon have ever looked back at these redrafts and totalled up who's picked the most players of the ones you've selected? Think there's some interesting things that can be looked at there. For example how it seems that teams who regularly are in cup contention seem to draft well in late rounds and find "steals" and many of the teams who struggle rarely have a late round player in your redrafts. Or how does Nashville draft so well when it comes to defensemen? Is that great scouting, a quality development system or both. Might be something worth looking back at and comparing some time
David Rundblad was originally drafted by the blues at number 17. He was then traded to Ottawa for a 2010 first round pick which ended up being Vladimir Tarasenko
Surprised you didn't mention that the Avs had 3 picks in your top 14. The one year that they drafted well past the 1st round
Something interesting about Tavares, above her his points, is that he is one of the best players in the world at taking faceoffs. He was second in the NHL last year and I think similar the year before. I just wish he was a faster skater.
Was waiting for this! Keep up the good work
One of the NHL drafts of all time.
One of the most NHL drafts of all time.
@@jg6693 It was a very drafty draft. On a completely unrelated topic, they should do an outdoor draft, in subzero weather, with hockey execs huddling around space heaters for warmth, and Bettman completely engulfed in an overlarge Canada Goose jacket. "I trade nounce!"
....yep ... thats one of them.
@@jg6693 🤣
Nick always delivers with the comments tbh. Elite
The saying is that defensemen take longer to develop. Hedman took some time, but he surpassed my expectations!!
RIP Alexi Cheraponov
Switching hedman and tavares around is the right move. I still remember how excited I was about Tavares spring 2009 and how cool it was to see him get drafted 1st overallt live. His career didn't pan out the way we thought at all. Not even close. Yes, he's been "good".Sometimes almost great. But nowhere near what we thought.
So real life or redraft, in both ways ekman larsson & duchene were gonna miss the playoff a lot. I guess at least they’ve won playoff rounds.
Hedman #1 easily.
Hey Shannon,
Love the channel & love the redraft videos, I was wondering as a Vegas fan would you consider redrafting the 2017-18 Vegas Entry draft just for fun to see if you'd have a different take how the inaugural Vegas team shook out 5 years ago.
i think you meant: vegas expansion draft, but i agree with you
@@keepitlinyear yeah expansion draft oops my mistake.🤦🏼
Was there live at the '09 draft. Left after Leblanc got picked. Hahahahahaha!
Glad to see the Kyle Clifford honorable mention. I would take him in the late first. If you look at the early career, and the type of presence he was, that could easily have continued on longer, if not for getting his bell rung a couple of times. That combined with winning young gave his career arc a downward slope that, if you were starting over today, might not occur. He also had a lot of upside that went undeveloped because he immediately fit into that role so well.
I think in the future, you should make re drafts for individual teams
Ooff interesting idea! Kinda alternate history in which a team actually drafts well? Sounds like a very cool video series!
@@TomssP642 yeah, thanks! Rangers definitely should’ve drafted Zegras or Seider in 2019
You mean like “redrafting the 2020 draft as the Sens” or something like that ?
@@Nxrthluvsyou even more, sort of a 10 year period for example, in which a given team drafts the best available players in hindsight. Very very interesting how much fate of some teams would change. Eventually how well you draft determines how well you do in the long run. You grow some prospects, you flip others for veterans etc, it's the ultimate make or break for a tesm imho.
I remember getting into a weeks long discussion about this draft with an Islander fan at work, in the weeks leading up to the draft. He was going back and forth who he wanted, Tavares, Hedman, Duchene. My argument was that they had screwed up so many drafts in recent years that they should just go with the safe pick, which was Tavares. Another team could afford to take chances and overthink it, but not the Islanders. Even though Hedman has obviously turned out the better player, I still think Tavares was the best pick for the Islanders, even with how it turned out in the end.
Big fan of the 2009 draft! Though Matt Duchene was a decent player for the Avs, the best thing he ever did for the Avs was to enable Joe to swindle Ottawa which helped significantly to get the Avs the 2022 Cup.
Ah my own draft year, I'd like to think I'd go top 10 but I'd settle being a 2nd round prospect.
YES! O'Reilly is a bawse. Unconventional training routine. Super smart. Wish the Avs had chosen him over Duchene in their little lockerroom dispute
If they had though, the Avs probably wouldn't have Makar, MacKinnon may have not become the insane player he's become; no Newhook, Burky or Toews. The Avs would've been a vastly different team than they are now.
@@HalfAssedMonkeyboy V tru. Happy with the team now and sticking with Sakic's vision. It's like the Avs of old: skill & skating
After 13 years we can agree that Hedman has found the best place to play. In Tampa, player development is the best in the league, with Cooper behind the bench they score a lot, so he can show his offensive skills like last year when he had 20 goals. If he was taken by Islanders, he still could put great numbers and be one of the best d-mans in NHL, but I am not sure about his offense. Similiar to Niedermayer in NJ and in Anaheim. In both places he was elite, but when he played for Ducks, he scored a lot more.
Lovely list! I would personally have kuemper much higher up maybe after ellis or lee
Weird fact: I always saw your comments and glanced at your picture. I would've sworn to anything it was a saxophone. Seeing it wasn't was a weird reality check mixed with Mandela effect. So there you go! My story about your pfp lmao
@@oceanshrugs9235 a saxophone?? How does that even happen🤣🤣 that’s hilarious
No idea lmao but I had to tell you
The Avalanche had only one pick in the draft, but got three guys who had first round talent. That's how Sakic is a genius.
uh, Sakic had just retired due to snowblower. This was a Greg Sherman & Friends
Hedman would’ve gotten the Isles over the top in 2020 or 2021 for sure
Nah, he would have been traded like Chara 😜
@@sojiroseta98 Milbury was long gone, Snow was too timid to make trades like that
Now that Haula is with the Devs he should be called Hella.
c'mon Shannon.
Redraft the 1970 NHL draft so Vancouver gets Gilbert Perreault and Buffalo ends up with Dale Tallon, and everything goes right for you.....🥰
Pretty solid original picks by the teams in top 10, considering top 8 are the same with some movement up and down. No busts or big misses there.
There’s no major busts, but I think Edmonton is pretty happy. Although they likely rush anybody as bad as they did with Paajarvi-Svensson
I agree that Hedman was the best player in that years draft and should of went #1
Specially when you look back on who has had a more successful career in the NHL
Im a Avs fan and i was hurt when Ryan O’Reily headed out of town and always enjoyed watching him develop in to the player he is today.
After watching a bunch of these redraft videos, and seeing how many boards don't have a Sharks logo, I have a better understanding of how we go to this low point 😅
"Gentlemanly player." By 80s and early 90s standards, everyone's a "gentlemanly player" now. Gino Odjick made Brad Marchand today look like a perennial Lady Byng candidate.
Kane scores a lot, but when you actually look at his numbers, he’s the quintessential “scores a lot against garbage teams”. When he first went to San Jose, I remember doing the research and almost all of his goals came against the bottom 10-12 teams.
Kind of like Austin Matthews. 60 goals during the season but nowhere to be found in the playoffs.
@@guyami8892 despite Matthews having 4 goals in 7 games this last playoffs
@@xypherus777 I mean Kane had 13 in 15 playoff games lmao
@@1OnlyGot7 Playing with McDavid, yes.
@@Khalistan159 the league runs as well as it does because of the leafs lol. You should thank them and the money and viewership they bring
I remember at the time JT was so good from so young. Everytime I saw him in the OHL he scored atleast a hat trick. Hedman the clear number one by a mile now though.
There was also a lot of hype around Jordan Schroeder that year. If he was even 2-3 inches taller, he goes top 10 no questions.
I noticed at the WJC it was more his size than his desire to win that had him succeeding.
foligno with sedins for our 11 cup run ahhhh one could wish
Tavares is still number 1. He would easily gets cups and accolades if he played on other teams. The numbers are so consistent. Nobody else comes close. He's put bad teams on his back. NYI has never had a player since that is nearly as good as he is today
Boutta get jacked - Tyson Barrie
Looks like you predicted the future! OEL is a maple leaf in 2024
Great redraft as always although I think the goalies were a bit underrated in this one.
I'm still in therapy over the Jackets taking John Moore at #21. I don't know if I'd take Orlov over Savard though. David gave us a lot of good years here in Columbus.
Good draft for the preds
Most stacked draft ever, studs every round.
As Isles fan I wish we took Hedman
So Philly had no draft pick this year or next, because they traded for a defenseman who ended up injured. And the only current Flyer worth taking in the redraft for any team this year? A defenseman who ended up injured. Weird.
To think ROR in Tampa Bay or even L.A. was a possibility is messed up.
I think Kuemper and Lehner should be much higher. Both in top 10 probably. They're starting goaltenders that are still at the top of their game.
Isn’t this Erik karlson and drew doughty’s draft class as well?
Wow the sting of picking Jared Cowan at 9, really doesn't hurt all that much seeing how well Ottawa drafted later on.
He was good to be fair, double hip surgery ruined him
Still waiting for the 2004 redraft please
Lol Scott Glenie for Dallas at 8th. One game played. Hindsight is 20/20.
Yes!! Finally!!!!
Can you tell us who was originally drafted that you replaced them with next time you do one of these vids please?
He does normally, idk why he didn't on this one
Suggestion: drafting all the undrafted players
But...would Hedman be a top player without the teamates he had in Tampa. Not sure he would have been great with NYI
I think Kuemper should be quite a bit higher tbh but he is a goalie so maybe that drops him.
One can't help wondering how things would have been different if Islanders had taken Hedman.
I wonder if you could add the teams missing from the draft and why and for what/whom they traded
Man I forgot how stacked this draft class was.
Its not that stack
@@Cacuna it has a crap-ton of top 6 forwards and top 4 d. It doesn’t have good goalies, but the names from this draft have consistently been around and quality. It’s a well above-average draft class that would sit outside of some of the truly great years.
I think Kuemper ranked 19th is quite a bit too low. I would have him go as high as 13th
Tavares is like Hall ... both always had other stars playing with them ... I remember watching him at the WJC and from what I saw ... it was his linemates who were the difference makers ... not that Tavares was bad... his game just didn't jump out as much as both his linemates (one being Eberle.)
Yes, Tavares puts up the points... he just never seems to be the guy who carries the team to the finish line.
I don't know who #3 is yet... my guess is I'd take them ahead of Tavares.
I'd take Tavares at 5.
You have got to be joking. Name a star that played on NYI with Tavares
2014 draft next
The Scott Glennie disrespect continues.
Please show the original picks
Reilly smith
Nice
What kind of pajamas does Hedman wear?
As a NYI fan I find this depressing 😩
I'd put O'Reilly second I don't think Tavares can pull off what O'Reilly did in 19
Re draft 2004 please
In the Montreal fanbase we have a consistent name for Marchand
🐀 rat sale
Tavares and Stamkos on the same line. His career would have been much better. Lots of time was wasted in NYI.
Wild made three good picks for the first time in years and then lost them all. Woof.
Too bad there was no Rielly O'Ryan in this draft.
Id take Kadri over Schenn
Brian Dumoulin has no business on this list, there are maaaybe like 2 players you can argue he can overtake at best...
Agree with the "big three" in same order, but would have Kreider at 4 or 5, Lee and Ekholm higher, and Duchene, OEL and E Kane lower.
Hedman 1 ...
your picks from 3-8 seem pretty wrong
Ooooooo interesting
Duchene>Kadri>Schenn
I can't see Kadri in the top 10
Between Hedman & Tavares at the top you probably could go either way, especially when they were younger. Both are future hall of famers but I’m glad it went the way it did cause we got stammer the year before, we needed a stud on the blue line.
Hedman is so clear of Tavares its not even funn
Disagree. D always take longer to develop. Tavares has never been as good at center as Hedman has been at d. It’s not even close, imo
tavares no near hall of fame
I think Tavares will be a miss in the HOF. Unless he gets the Leafs a cup. Still only the 3rd best guy on the team.
Hedman all day
Dude Evandar Kane has never scored more than 30 goals in a season, calm down lol
Kreider potted 52 this season while having a previous season high of 28 goals 😂😂😂
I’m surprised OEL and Barrie are separated by 6 spots despite their pretty similar careers
If you’re drafting strictly based off who has had the best career, hedman is 1st. But as an isles fan. If i went back in time to this draft with the knowledge of how this entire class panned out. I’m still taking jt 1st overall without hesitation. Idk if Hedman could’ve put the team on his back and carried below average teams to the playoffs year after year like jt did. I’m a true believer that a center is the most important position to a team (besides goaltender). I don’t see how the islanders would’ve ever made the playoffs with Frans Nielsen as a 1st line center.
I also don’t know if Hedman has the same leadership qualities that jt had. Jt was the locker room leader from the day he arrived. Jt gave us culture, respect, a reason to watch games. Even though I mad that he left the way he did, I’ll never forgot all the great things he’s done for the team.
Also in defense of jt. I could never blame him for the shortcomings of the islanders. The best linemate he’s ever had is a debate between Matt Moulson and Kyle Okposo. JT’s best defender before the leddy/boychuk trades was mark streit who was 32 and already declining in JT’s rookie year. His best goalie was griess. Garth snow was terrible at his job and wasted the 9 years of JT’s career. The team could’ve been so much more than a perennial wild card contender with no home arena if Garth could do a better job.
Lol what, Hedman has "A" on his jersey for a reason. He is true leader who even could teach Rutta how to be 1st line d-man. Now without McDonagh his leadership will rise up even more. Stamkos, Hedman and Killorn are leaders in locker room.
Watching the Islanders pretty closely all the Tavares year, I never thought of him as a stellar leadership guy, He was captain because he was so by far their best player, but the Islanders were kind of lame most of those years and Tavares didn't seem to pick them up much. But I do think he was the right pick for them at the time.
@LETZ GO 2023 NHL draft He impressed me as a guy who got very famous too young and became shy of drawing too much attention to himself, so in his talks with the media he was very vanilla and didn't want to say anything controversial or to reveal too much of his private thoughts or personality. We'd been hearing about him since he was about 13 years old as the next great player, and he didn't like being in that spotlight, so he was very careful in how he presented himself to the public. I don't know how true this all is, but that was my impression.
@LETZ GO 2023 NHL draft this is so true. From my perspective of those isles teams, they saw how much he was putting in every night and followed him into battle. He’s also a guy who made his teammates so much better. Moulson, Bailey and Okposo have never been close to the production they had on JT’s wing, before or after being his linemate. Jt somehow made Bailey an all star. 😂 Anyone who can make josh Bailey look like a good player gets my approval.
Hedman should have definitely been picked before Tavares!! And give me O'Reilly over Tavares.. more complete player and more heart !!!
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Impossible! I demand a recount!
Hedman is 1rst.
If you ain't first you're last
I still feel like Tavares was the best in this draft. Elite, 40-goal scoring center will always have more value than even the leagues best defenseman.
Who do you think is the best player on the Avalanche?
@@Thankmeformyservice makar. Take a look at mackinnon’s stats. He’s never had 100 points and has only been ppg for like 4 seasons.