The ‘Goal’ That Changed The NHL Forever

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  • Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2024

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  • @nersharific813
    @nersharific813 3 месяца назад +168

    This is probably the best RUclips video about this moment because of how you explained such a controversial call in such a neutral manner. It helps this young Sabres fan who wasn’t even alive when this happened to get a better understanding of this hockey monstrosity. Nice video!

    • @a245b1
      @a245b1 3 месяца назад +7

      Definitely. This guy did a great job

    • @dmc0015
      @dmc0015 3 месяца назад +4

      As a Stars fan who watched this play out live, it drives me crazy when this is explained and the ‘attacking player w/possession addendum’ isn’t discussed.
      Very well done here indeed!

    • @kyleconnor2759
      @kyleconnor2759 3 месяца назад +1

      lol the addendum

    • @RobbieStacks90
      @RobbieStacks90 3 месяца назад +4

      I was pulling heavily for the Sabres in the Stanley Cup Finals after the Devils had lost in game 7 in the first round (Jagr forced OT with about a minute left). Buffalo could not score in this game. Hasek was single handedly keeping them alive.

    • @PhoenixDog2160
      @PhoenixDog2160 3 месяца назад +8

      Except it is wrong.
      Kicking the puck does not transfer possession. Written rule in the NHL. Hull never had possession of the puck until we shot it in the net. So he was in the crease twice while not having active possession by NHL rules. His foot was in the crease twice before he had possession and finally shot the puck in. The video is great, but the explanation of the rule at the end is inherently false based on the rules at the time. Kicking a puck does not count as possession.

  • @MajorCanada
    @MajorCanada 3 месяца назад +570

    I could just watch a Hasek highlight package for 2 hours straight. The man was THE most exciting goalie to ever play the game.

    • @bartsanders1553
      @bartsanders1553 3 месяца назад +19

      Roy had some highlights that were right up there on the insanity scale, but he didn't make it his chosen style Hasek did.

    • @Erik_The_Viking
      @Erik_The_Viking 3 месяца назад +15

      Hasek was an absolute beast during his prime - unstoppable.

    • @spooley
      @spooley 3 месяца назад +11

      He never gave up on a play, standing deep in his net looked awkward but his reflexes and his flexibility were off the charts. Keenan said a few weeks ago he kept Belfour in Chicago over Dom out of loyalty. Big mistake.

    • @glenjmatthews
      @glenjmatthews 3 месяца назад +4

      He made a lifelong Sabres fan out of me

    • @07foxmulder
      @07foxmulder 3 месяца назад +6

      @@bartsanders1553Hasek made roy look like an amateur.

  • @therockrollsoapbox6075
    @therockrollsoapbox6075 3 месяца назад +55

    As an avid Stars fan who lived this....a very well-done, even-handed and comprehensive video. I had never seen the video before, of Stars players reacting to the Edmonton goal. One thing I would add. The March 1999 memo clarifying the crease rule was due to an embarrassing play that had been ruled illegal. On the play a player skates in on a breakaway at a sharp angle. He skates directly through the crease with the puck entirely in his control, a fabulous moving pulling the goalie away, opening up a giant yawning open net and slotting it upstairs for a spectacular goal.
    But....his skate was in the crease when he shot it. The puck was outside.
    It was absurd to not count this goal, but the rule was clear and offered no interpretation. That's why the league sent the memo out. It was rare to change a rule in the middle of the season but this goal made it's absurdity obvious. Had that goal not occurred Hull's goal is probably disallowed.

  • @alkumhcounseling8634
    @alkumhcounseling8634 3 месяца назад +212

    Hasek in the butterfly IN THE FACEOFF CIRCLE what a madlad

    • @sampicano
      @sampicano 3 месяца назад

      what a rad dad

    • @awdxno
      @awdxno 3 месяца назад +4

      bro REALLY wasn’t taking any chances

    • @theblueoctopus4494
      @theblueoctopus4494 3 месяца назад +2

      Nice avatar.

    • @awdxno
      @awdxno 3 месяца назад

      @@alkumhcounseling8634me?

  • @ml.2770
    @ml.2770 3 месяца назад +164

    Thanks for triggering my PTSD RUclips. I had moved on and now I'm crying in bed again.

    • @chuock
      @chuock 2 месяца назад

      LMAO.. that was funny

    • @brianmurray7980
      @brianmurray7980 2 месяца назад +10

      Same... For any fan of the Sabres in the 90s and early 2000s this one will forever sting.

  • @graveyg
    @graveyg 3 месяца назад +27

    I really appreciate all the time and effort you put in to making these breakdowns. Looking forward to next season and your weekly recaps.

    • @je4962
      @je4962 3 месяца назад

      I found this channel about a 1/3 of the way through last season and I fell Inlove. Best hockey RUclipsr by FAR. The presentation and knowledge is absolutely top notch.

  • @theawayfan6052
    @theawayfan6052 3 месяца назад +119

    These are two of my favorite old school jerseys, wish the Stars and the Sabers would go back to these for a full season.

    • @ObscuraDeCapra
      @ObscuraDeCapra 3 месяца назад +21

      The Stars never should have moved away from these. Probably never would have if the uniform companies hadn't started cheaping out.

    • @codyge18
      @codyge18 3 месяца назад +8

      Sabres are wearing the black goat head as their 3rd right now

    • @RobbieStacks90
      @RobbieStacks90 3 месяца назад +2

      The 90s Sabres jersey was one of the best, along with the circa '97-'04 Pittsburgh Panthers football jersey and the mid to late 90s Villanova basketball jersey.

    • @GizmoBeach
      @GizmoBeach 3 месяца назад

      @@ObscuraDeCapra
      Dallas’ current look is one of the best in the league.
      What they moved on to after that big star look (too busy for my taste, also reminds me too much of those silly Flying V sweaters) now those were uninspired, rote, awful looking.

    • @mr198221
      @mr198221 3 месяца назад +2

      I still rock my Stars Cup winner one here in NYC!

  • @Ghostcharm
    @Ghostcharm 3 месяца назад +237

    sabres fans still haven't recovered from this moment. controversy is unfortunate but man it cements plays like this in a different sort of way. just like how flames fans have never recovered from that 2004 scf game 6 "no goal"

    • @Rawk_Sauce
      @Rawk_Sauce 3 месяца назад +14

      I know haven't. I've given up hope that the Sabres will win a cup.

    • @riolu1645
      @riolu1645 3 месяца назад +10

      And the Stars were the one to hammer the nail in the coffin for the Sabres playoff chances this year too

    • @cassiusdhami9215
      @cassiusdhami9215 3 месяца назад +13

      From Calgary: We definitely have not recovered.

    • @pirtatejoe
      @pirtatejoe 3 месяца назад +17

      And they shouldn't. I remember watching it live with my friend and we were super entertained... we were like "oh this is crazy! they are going to have to bring the teams back out!"... in my mind there is definitely an asterisk next to that cup. The only time (at least in my lifetime) I think of a Stanley Cup as being stolen.

    • @shawnwharry952
      @shawnwharry952 3 месяца назад

      @@cassiusdhami9215 But that one does not have a conclusive replay. Before you respond google the parallax effect.
      I think it was in too but the replay is not 100% conclusive.

  • @slakcheetah4989
    @slakcheetah4989 3 месяца назад +95

    Facing Roy and Hasek in back to back series is crazy

  • @positivelybobby
    @positivelybobby 3 месяца назад +77

    If I may add some of the story…
    I was a reporter at the (infamous) 1999 Draft in Boston. On the day of the draft, I found Scotty Bowman (then coach of my Red Wings) just standing alone, so I approached him - and we had about a 20 min one-on-one.
    He told me that the GMs had a conference call earlier that morning (which I believe was just a few days after ‘the goal’) where it was explained to him and the others on the call that a worker at the Aud opened the gates for the media to come on the ice just 8 seconds after the goal was scored, and that played a big part in why the refs refused to do a review of the goal, and that the league did apologize to the Sabres. Also, evidently Lindy Ruff practically kicked in the refs dressing room door trying to get them to review the goal.
    One more interesting point: it was widely reported - and is still lore - that Derian Hatcher of that 1999 Stars team was the first American-born captain to lead his team to the Cup. This is only partially true.
    While in the NHL era, starting in 1917, Hatcher is indeed the first. However, in 1915, the Vancouver Millionaires won the Cup (still the city’s only Cup win) and the team was led by Si Griffis, their Captain who was raised in Rat Portage, Ontario… but he was actually born in Onaga, Kansas, making him the first US-born Captain of a Cup winning team.
    (FWIW, I wrote to the HHOF about this several times with no response)

    • @kakarotblake
      @kakarotblake 3 месяца назад +16

      Great insight, thanks for sharing

    • @codyge18
      @codyge18 3 месяца назад +8

      Insignificant but it was at Marine Midland not the Aud

    • @positivelybobby
      @positivelybobby 3 месяца назад +9

      @@codyge18no, you’re right. Thanks for that.

    • @badmanskill1112
      @badmanskill1112 3 месяца назад +12

      I had a feeling that since everyone came on the ice they wouldn't take it back.

    • @positivelybobby
      @positivelybobby 3 месяца назад +7

      @@badmanskill1112 that’s basically what happened, according to Scotty.

  • @drewjensen2798
    @drewjensen2798 3 месяца назад +16

    I’m pulling for Buffalo to have a good year this year. It’s been far too long since this upset and they were such a fun team to watch growing up.
    I remember I commented something about being disappointed as a Canucks/jets fan, but Sabres fans arguably have it worse lol 😊

  • @imulippo5245
    @imulippo5245 3 месяца назад +1

    I love these blast from the past type of NHL videos, especially during offseason, great job HP!

  • @jamescarroll489
    @jamescarroll489 3 месяца назад +2

    Relived some childhood sofa hockey watching just now. Thank you and keep it coming.

  • @modernwarfaremaniac12
    @modernwarfaremaniac12 3 месяца назад +20

    Man I don’t know how you found the footage at 11:23 but that is awesome. I wish the NHL still caught the emotion like this.
    It’s also rich that the Stars owner wanted to get rid of the rule… and in the end, it won his franchise a cup lol

    • @danielgroh1433
      @danielgroh1433 3 месяца назад +6

      Green didn't own the Stars at the time. Tom Hicks bought the team in 1995

    • @Kreege
      @Kreege 3 месяца назад +5

      There was a playoff game from a season prior where PJ Axellson on the Bruins had a game winning goal disallowed due to the foot in the crease rule, and the Bruins would later lose the game. I've been looking for footage of that no-goal for like 20 years.

    • @Joe_Ma99
      @Joe_Ma99 3 месяца назад +1

      That footage is on RUclips.

    • @kyleconnor2759
      @kyleconnor2759 3 месяца назад

      How? They didn’t enforce the rule.

    • @angrybobking5083
      @angrybobking5083 3 месяца назад

      the rule didnt win him a cup it just would have been a non controversial goal

  • @LaBlueSkuld
    @LaBlueSkuld 3 месяца назад +18

    It's been 25 years. I still remember being in this dingy little dining hall/bar of my friend's church watching the game. I still remember my friend and I shouting "NHL '99!" at the TV whenever Buffalo had a scoring chance because my friend said he just got it on the Playstation right before Buffalo got one of their goals. I still remember my dad and I listening to the game on the radio as we drove back home between OT1 and OT2. I still remember standing in my family living room, pointing to the TV and saying "He was in the crease." as my dad flopped back into his chair. I still remember the confusion in my mind when I flopped into bed about 30 minutes later.
    I thought I was over it all. Then I remembered.

    • @southbeachtalent
      @southbeachtalent 3 месяца назад +2

      NHL 99 might be my favorite game ever. Eric Lindros (favorite player at the time) on the cover. Ah man take me back!

    • @adamg7984
      @adamg7984 20 дней назад

      I get it, but the rule change exempted the goal from being disallowed anyway. They literally got it right and people still act like the league fucked them. I can't understand that. I can understand the Calgary Flames 2004 goal that is nearly impossible to say definitively if it's a goal because of how close it is. That leaves interpretation up to whoever you ask. I personally don't think it's conclusive, but I could see why someone might think it is. With this goal, the rule was changed and Hull had possession the entire time. The league literally got the call correct, regardless of what Ruff or Sabres players think.

    • @lelouchvibritannia4028
      @lelouchvibritannia4028 14 дней назад

      That 2004 Flames vs Bolts goal is a good goal because the league had a better viewing angle than the fans and broadcast. Our view a
      gave us the illusion that it didn't cross the goal line when, in fact, it did. ​@@adamg7984

  • @mensminger15
    @mensminger15 2 месяца назад +1

    Great video! As a lifelong Dallas Stars fan, I appreciated your analysis. Time to go watch the replay of the series!

  • @T0eTickler30
    @T0eTickler30 3 месяца назад +23

    Took a visit to the hockey hall of fame earlier this summer. They had a large video board playing a clip from a documentary about the No Goal. Suddenly, a random dude walked past the board and yelled "No goal, you cheaters!". Being from Buffalo, it made my day and stung a little. Thanks for making a great video on the topic!

    • @0mattp0
      @0mattp0 2 месяца назад +3

      To say “no goal” I’m ok with, but “cheaters”? That doesn’t make sense. The Stars didn’t cheat. The league made the decision whether right or wrong.

    • @adamg7984
      @adamg7984 20 дней назад +2

      Well, it was a goal though and it's not the fault of the league that Sabres fans still can't accept that.

  • @anonymousleader1710
    @anonymousleader1710 3 месяца назад +132

    this was by far the most controversal playoff game ive ever seen

    • @Joe_Ma99
      @Joe_Ma99 3 месяца назад +12

      Think it they disallowed it at 3 am on a dumb rule like the skate in the crease….This is probably one of those plays that would have been controversial either way.

    • @Lance-Stroll
      @Lance-Stroll 3 месяца назад +5

      Watch 2002 game 6 of the western conference finals in the NBA. It's a real screw job

    • @shawnwharry952
      @shawnwharry952 3 месяца назад

      And hopefully ever will.

    • @michelprimeau4531
      @michelprimeau4531 3 месяца назад

      Ask a Nordique fan about Alain Côté goal.

    • @teaglorious2007
      @teaglorious2007 2 месяца назад +1

      Look up Calgary game 6 2004

  • @headless0ptomist198
    @headless0ptomist198 3 месяца назад +14

    The Eagle vs The Dominator, I think it was Scotty Bowman that said the only reason it's called the Stanley Cup is because calling it the "We have a better goalie than you" cup would take to long. That goal divided classrooms, fights would break out at recess and teachers would argue with students for a year or 2 over that one.

  • @jsquared1013
    @jsquared1013 3 месяца назад +11

    I watched this game live on TV when I was in high school. I wanted the Stars to win largely because of Modano and Hull, but always though that while "conceptually" the Hull goal was OK, it was still outside of the letter of the law and thus shouldn't have stood. I'm pretty sure I never heard about the NHL memo from earlier that season, even in subsequent years, but after reading it, the league's "halfass" justification doesn't look so bad, anymore. In fact, that little skate-kick to his own stick by Hull does justify "possession" of the puck, and according to the NHL memo, it's a good goal. I know that isn't going to matter to Sabres fans, but I feel like there is finally some clarity about that series now that I've seen the actual wording of the pre-playoffs memo.

    • @tonyc8752
      @tonyc8752 3 месяца назад

      It was a perfectly legal goal. Only very stupid people think otherwise.

    • @Jazzy1Kenobi11
      @Jazzy1Kenobi11 Месяц назад

      I remember being a kid hearing about that letter. Basically the NHL apologizing to Buffalo. Everyone was telling the league to shove it

  • @qaradigm
    @qaradigm 3 месяца назад +127

    I'm from buffalo and whenever you mention this to a sabres fans they flip out

    • @selfaccountable3464
      @selfaccountable3464 3 месяца назад +5

      I don't know why. It was a legal goal. I worked for the Dallas Stars org at the time. Suck it.

    • @brent1084
      @brent1084 3 месяца назад

      ​@@selfaccountable3464 Don't care if you were on the ice. Wasn't legal, the memo wasn't a legal rule change. Follow your own advice and suck it yourself.

    • @robertfields2906
      @robertfields2906 3 месяца назад +8

      I'm an Avalanche fan, and I flip out too!!!!!!

    • @tricktaylor
      @tricktaylor 3 месяца назад +12

      No Goal

    • @Mik1414g
      @Mik1414g 3 месяца назад +9

      @@selfaccountable3464. Of course it was legal to an employee of the Dallas Stars. BTW, Hulls foot was in the crease. Illegal at the time. No goal. Suck it.

  • @mtbtx9304
    @mtbtx9304 Месяц назад +5

    Best memory as a kid watching this with my parents staying up late to watch the Stars hoist the Cup!

  • @bartsanders1553
    @bartsanders1553 3 месяца назад +63

    Me a red wings fan, wondering how 2002 would have played out if this goal didn't count.

    • @codyge18
      @codyge18 3 месяца назад +8

      @@bartsanders1553 Sabres probably still go bankrupt because the Rigas's were still commiting fraud, which led to the Hasek trade

    • @bartsanders1553
      @bartsanders1553 3 месяца назад +3

      @@codyge18 I forgot about that.

    • @codyge18
      @codyge18 3 месяца назад +4

      @@bartsanders1553 😅😅other than 2 years, the 00s has been a bad time for the Sabres

    • @bartsanders1553
      @bartsanders1553 3 месяца назад +5

      @@codyge18 I just remember a major sentiment in the summer of 01 was "Let's pull a Ray Borque" with signings like Robataille and the Hasek trade.

    • @codyge18
      @codyge18 3 месяца назад +6

      @@bartsanders1553 that team was broken lol, half the team are HOFers right now

  • @parrydox.gaming
    @parrydox.gaming Месяц назад +1

    Great video. Sabres fan are haunted by this moment. Along with when Lucic blasted Ryan Miller (too lazy to fact check it); further destroying the team lol. I’m not a fan of either team in this video but I’d have been pissed if they disallowed the goal. You do an excellent job describing every aspect of what happened in your videos. Providing why moments were significant and going through the rules at the time helps place the viewer in the shoes of that time period.

  • @thinkforyourself5672
    @thinkforyourself5672 3 месяца назад +9

    Hasek in his prime was the best goalie of all time

    • @michelprimeau4531
      @michelprimeau4531 3 месяца назад +5

      I'm from the land of Roy, Brodeur, Vezina, Plante... but for me Hasek was the best of all. You can't replicate his technique. It was pure athletism.

  • @cheddarandsourcream
    @cheddarandsourcream 2 месяца назад +2

    Hasek challenging that shooter at the bottom of the faceoff circle sums up 90s goaltending right there. Fantastic stuff

  • @wafflefortress
    @wafflefortress 3 месяца назад

    Absolutely love these historic episodes. Way before I started watching or playing (we were baseball fans mostly at that point), but it's so damn fascinating to see how the game has evolved in 25 years. Best hockey channel on youtube, or maybe even the internet.

  • @danielrobertson7821
    @danielrobertson7821 3 месяца назад +34

    Hardcore Dallas fan here. As an 11-year old watching this happen live, I'll never forget the moment Brett Hull was interviewed and the reporter told him of the controversy about the gwg. Brett Hull's words, "Well aren't you a joy kill."
    Never forgot that moment.

  • @brandensimmons653
    @brandensimmons653 3 месяца назад +16

    Buffalo Fans have nightmares of Dallas teams though the 1990's

  • @dr.loomis4221
    @dr.loomis4221 3 месяца назад +37

    The crease rule was so dumb

  • @GreatWhiteNorthHockeyCards
    @GreatWhiteNorthHockeyCards 3 месяца назад +2

    Your videos are incredible. Great job.

  • @ltxero4303
    @ltxero4303 3 месяца назад +84

    Im getting ready to fight just from the thumbnail

  • @thatoneItalyplayer
    @thatoneItalyplayer 3 месяца назад +45

    My dad was a sabers fan and when this happened he cried

    • @sampicano
      @sampicano 3 месяца назад +3

      I believe Sabres knocked oit Leafs that year.
      I also cried that year. (Seriously)

    • @53knights
      @53knights 3 месяца назад

      What a baby

    • @Zanduras1
      @Zanduras1 3 месяца назад +2

      @@53knights Great joke at funerals too amirite? LOL

    • @53knights
      @53knights 3 месяца назад

      @@Zanduras1 or go to old people at funerals who said “you’re next” to you at weddings and repeat those words to them.

    • @selfaccountable3464
      @selfaccountable3464 3 месяца назад +1

      Good. Buffalo is a losers city anyways.

  • @williyum5491
    @williyum5491 Месяц назад

    Truly a fan of your videos. What a great story. And so well explained.

  • @darinblanchard4593
    @darinblanchard4593 3 месяца назад +2

    I have wondered about this goal since it happened! Thank you for taking the time to explain about the rule update that, unfortunately, nobody knew about.

    • @kyleconnor2759
      @kyleconnor2759 3 месяца назад +1

      Yeah because it’s a bs cover story

    • @nocrtname
      @nocrtname 3 месяца назад +1

      Yup, I followed hockey closely this year and never heard anything about it. Nobody heard about it until at least the day after the stanley cup was awarded, maybe two. I think it's revisionist history tbh.

  • @Kreege
    @Kreege 3 месяца назад +82

    Fun fact for any gamers: Brett Hull's "foot in the crease" goal was scored on the same day that the very first version of Counter-Strike was publicly released.

    • @eugenegreen2285
      @eugenegreen2285 3 месяца назад +16

      nerd

    • @Jukeboksi
      @Jukeboksi 3 месяца назад

      Still playing, lol, just got a new Zowie ZA-11C

    • @brenreidy8763
      @brenreidy8763 2 месяца назад +2

      Hell yeah.

    • @johart309
      @johart309 Месяц назад

      awesome fact!
      e: and game

    • @joe579003
      @joe579003 Месяц назад +2

      @@eugenegreen2285 c4 in the crease

  • @adamg7984
    @adamg7984 20 дней назад +1

    If the rule was changed to allowing possession to qualify the goal, then it's a good goal regardless of what Buffalo fans or players think. It seems like it legitimately was changed earlier that year, Hull had possession of the puck before his skate was in the crease and he scored with his foot in the crease while he never lost possession. Good goal.

  • @anthonysalciccioli1005
    @anthonysalciccioli1005 3 месяца назад +6

    Speaking as a Sabres fan, while this was brutal most Sabres fans see the '05-'06 elimination as more painful. The best team in the league that only lost because every defenseman got hurt and they were using numbers 7,8,9 and 10 on the depth chart. The '98-'99 team holds a special place but nothing close to '05-'06.

  • @Oxmen33
    @Oxmen33 3 месяца назад +11

    Jere Lehtinen is the most underrated player of all time and it's not even close. Scored the first goal of the game on a shot Hasek would stop 999/1000 times, then got the puck on goal for an A on Hulls OT winner. Won multiple Selkes as a winger. Yet you will barely hear him mentioned once, including this video. You wont see him in the highlite pacjage lifting the cup, or doing intervuews after the game etc Lehtinen was the clutch player, and both times Hull scored here, Lehtinen was the name you hear before he scores.

    • @36inc
      @36inc 3 месяца назад +1

      Btb hes not under rated here even decades later id see just about any of those 99' jerseys

  • @len6482
    @len6482 3 месяца назад +13

    Prime Belfour vs Hasek...boy I wish I watched this

    • @ObscuraDeCapra
      @ObscuraDeCapra 3 месяца назад +4

      The series was mental. Both goalies had been absolutely lights out the entire playoffs but somehow it amped up in the finals.

  • @Kaiden_okeefe
    @Kaiden_okeefe 3 месяца назад +16

    Fun fact my grandpa is in the top lot of the photo at 1:00 his name is Doug Smail

    • @GoatedKanye5
      @GoatedKanye5 3 месяца назад +1

      😤😤😤

    • @CapitalRapBattles
      @CapitalRapBattles 2 месяца назад

      I remember him playing for the jets

    • @Kaiden_okeefe
      @Kaiden_okeefe 2 месяца назад

      @@CapitalRapBattles yeah he did for 11 years, I have a few of his Jerseys and sticks from them

    • @saxonthedan
      @saxonthedan Месяц назад

      Your grandpa is in the record books too! That’s so cool to say I bet

    • @Kaiden_okeefe
      @Kaiden_okeefe Месяц назад

      @@saxonthedan yeah I brag about it a lot

  • @kjvav8755
    @kjvav8755 Месяц назад

    A great video. The presentation was spot on and unbiased.

  • @jaytee4374
    @jaytee4374 3 месяца назад +4

    Sabres fan here, I was 8 years old when this series took place, all I remember is the beginning of game 1. The most heartbreaking Sabres loss in my life is game 7 of the '06 Eastern Conference Finals. My eyes welled up the next morning

    • @danglez18
      @danglez18 3 месяца назад +1

      Same man about those 06 Sabres. That was the best Sabres team we ever had. Remember Tim Connolly in the playoffs that year before the Sens took him out? Then in the ECF, 4 out of 6 of our starting defense all hurt. Losing Tallinder was so bad because him and Lydman were playing so shut down. Then losing Jay Mckee after that was the worst though. That was our year and we win in 6 if they dont all get hurt in that series.

    • @quentincampbell612
      @quentincampbell612 24 дня назад

      ​@@danglez18what about the Sabres the next year? Remember,game 5 against the Rangers when Drury scored with under 10 seconds to play to send it to ot?

    • @danglez18
      @danglez18 24 дня назад

      @@quentincampbell612 Sabres the next year had a better record and went deep into the playoffs as well, but they didnt have the speed and grit like the 06 Sabres. 06 Sabres had a perfect balance of speed, skill, and grit.

  • @swarmX
    @swarmX 3 месяца назад +40

    the new "foot in the crease" is the offside replays.

    • @ObscuraDeCapra
      @ObscuraDeCapra 3 месяца назад +11

      Nah, the new foot in the crease is the phantom goalie interference calls when a puck goes in nine seconds after a goalie whacks a skater in the shins with his stick.

    • @joshuaneal7552
      @joshuaneal7552 3 месяца назад +5

      lol. Weak, incorrect take. There's nothing wrong with enforcing offside. It's against the rules. Do you wanna just get rid of all video review? Go watch House of Cards or Game of Thrones or some other childish nonsense if you don't care about the integrity of sports.

    • @D-Fens_1632
      @D-Fens_1632 3 месяца назад +2

      I relate it more to the "distinct kicking motions" that seem to go 50/50 either way, as they're both more directly related to a goal. Although, when it comes to the nitpickiest of "I think the tag on his jersey is still on the line before the puck" type nitpicking, the foot in the crease is up there.

    • @tomblade
      @tomblade 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@joshuaneal7552lol he's right. When a player has his skate in the o-zone by an inch and is not even involved in the play that's actually the exact same level of nonsense rule!

    • @joshuaneal7552
      @joshuaneal7552 3 месяца назад +3

      ​@@tomblade If you're in ahead of the play, you're in ahead of the play. How do you _actually_ measure offside? How many inches (how many millimeters) is no longer "close enough"? A rule like offside SHOULD not and CANNOT be subjective. The crease rule WAS dumb. Offside is NOT. Are you for getting rid of offside? If so, then your argument is understandable. But if you agree with keeping offside a rule, then you can't be all "close enough" about it. It's no different than "everyone's a winner." A rule is a rule.
      While the crease rule was dumb, at the time, it should have been enforced as is. However, I've heard the explanation that Hull had control, then stepped out, kept possesion, then stepped back in, and that the league had already sent a memo clarifying that that was within the rules, so it looks like a good goal to me. I've defended Hull on this for a quarter century.
      If the league was being dishonest to protect itself, then that sucks. If they were being accurate and truthful, then that's good. I just want to see a fair game. In my opinion, winning unfairly is a far worse feeling than losing fairly, as the game itself is bigger than anyone else.

  • @mattschiller357
    @mattschiller357 3 месяца назад +5

    There is no way this isn't the best hockey channel right?! So sick my man! Great vid as always

  • @martinbarta7935
    @martinbarta7935 3 месяца назад +6

    You are the only one on RUclips who can pronounce Hašek correctly.

  • @JAYDEGARROW
    @JAYDEGARROW 2 месяца назад +1

    Man that Sabres team was great. No superstars other than Hasek. Just a bunch of guys with heart

  • @darthnater2242
    @darthnater2242 3 месяца назад

    I love your vids bro, and with hockey season not started it’s the only thing keeping me entertained

  • @Mac-ix4qp
    @Mac-ix4qp 5 дней назад

    I was a Stars fan at the time and stayed to early in the morning watching this. This was an unbiased and well-balanced presentation.

  • @warrenscorner
    @warrenscorner 17 дней назад

    Great video! Even though I hated to relive that “NO GOAL” moment. Nowadays we are hoping for our Sabres to just have a winning season.

  • @IAMTHEJUGGERNATE
    @IAMTHEJUGGERNATE 3 месяца назад +4

    It's so wild that the league didn't make that memo tweaking the rule public... What is the possible rationale to not letting the fans know when any rule has been tweaked, let alone the most controversial rule? There still would have been arguments around whether or not kicking the puck up to the stick should count as 'possession', but it wouldn't have been nearly as controversial as it was if everybody including the announcers had been aware of that memo.

    • @arizona_anime_fan
      @arizona_anime_fan Месяц назад

      Betman is famous for the private in house rule changes he keeps under his hat for when a controversy happens and suddenly "oh we had a memo about that back in march", he's done this about half a dozen times in his almost 40 years as commissioner. no one really buys it, i mean it sounds good in the press but when the NHL GMs don't know about the rule change is it really a rule change? it's mostly about backdating a memo so you don't have egg on your face.

  • @SirGalahadCtny
    @SirGalahadCtny 2 месяца назад

    This is the first time anyone bringing up this goal being unbiased. What a well written narrative!
    This is so well written - I seriously love this way of unbiased takes on so interesting hockey moments.
    Thank you for this - I finally can feel less hurt from this crime against the GOAT goalie Dominik Hašek.

  • @spencera3075
    @spencera3075 3 месяца назад +19

    The reason this was so controversial, is for 8 years, that’s not how it was interpreted or applied.

  • @fredrickolsen838
    @fredrickolsen838 3 месяца назад

    Hasek was brilliant. I played goal in ice hockey, but never to any real competitive level. I remember making a few pretty stunning looking saves but many were really just kind of lucky. Hasek made stunning saves all the time. There may have been a few lucky saves for him, but he was all talent and one of the best. A pleasure to watch.

  • @alexvalko1447
    @alexvalko1447 3 месяца назад

    Wow, this should be the best video on the channel what a deep breakdown

  • @joelpankratz
    @joelpankratz 3 месяца назад

    This was the era I grew up watching and I remember being thrilled by the superstar goalies; all my friends and I only ever wanted to go pro between the pipes. Dominator, Cujo, Roy, the Eagle, Osgood, and of course Martin Brodeur got me so excited then and they still do today.

  • @Physhi
    @Physhi 2 месяца назад

    I remember these games very well and while I was routing for the Dallas Stars I had a glimpse of a skate inside the ring. I thought they were gonna have to go back on ice. I went to bed as I was too exhausted. Thanks for clarifying the NHLs ruling. Good shit.

  • @Krazy_Shorts
    @Krazy_Shorts 3 месяца назад +2

    Great video! I always knew that rule would bite them in the ass...This was not surprising to me when it finally happend.

  • @lovingthesauce
    @lovingthesauce 3 месяца назад

    Man this video is amazing! A++👍👍💯

  • @tmotom
    @tmotom 9 дней назад +1

    and then the Red Wings got Brett Hull and Dominik Hasek two years later and won the Stanley Cup

  • @Canuck.Collector
    @Canuck.Collector 3 месяца назад

    your videos deserve to be broadcasted on prime time sports news networks

  • @MrJonnyGunn
    @MrJonnyGunn 3 месяца назад +9

    I really want one of those Dallas Stars jerseys.

    • @SuzuNoUtaTX
      @SuzuNoUtaTX 3 месяца назад +1

      They’re remaking them under the fancy fanatics branding (it’s 9 am on a Monday I’m not checking the official name lol) for Modano. Not hyper authentic but pretty good.

    • @MrJonnyGunn
      @MrJonnyGunn 3 месяца назад +1

      @@SuzuNoUtaTX I heard about about that. Under Mitchell and Ness. And for what I understand, the jerseys will be more higher quality than the old Mitchell and Ness.

    • @SuzuNoUtaTX
      @SuzuNoUtaTX 3 месяца назад +1

      @@MrJonnyGunn I have one from the Modano Statue night in Dallas, it's good. Definitely don't pay retail though lol. I think they're on sale on nhlshop....

  • @mikeyg6631
    @mikeyg6631 Месяц назад

    Amazing job bud!!!! What a flashback. Back then internet didn't really exist and everyone tuned into the NHL Stanley Cup even if it wasn't your team. That year Buffalo knocked my team out (The Leafs) so Buffalo became our team due to that. Buffalo in my opinion was The team that you didn't want to watch. But it was Hockey Night in Canada so we had no choice lol!

  • @dmc0015
    @dmc0015 3 месяца назад +7

    Stars fan here who lived and died through this and every other Stanley Cup run since they moved to Dallas.
    This was an EXCELLENT breakdown. Quite possibly the best I’ve ever come across.
    Given how many time the Stars have come up short of hoisting the Cup since, we may be entering curse territory at this point!

    • @quentincampbell612
      @quentincampbell612 24 дня назад

      I posted a comment in this comment section about how the No Goal Curse has impacted the franchise since that controversial goal!

  • @StevenPD
    @StevenPD 3 месяца назад +4

    The '99 final deserved a game 7.
    Great post. It was well written and presented.
    Subscription earned. Cheers.

  • @jackalisland
    @jackalisland 3 месяца назад

    You're really good at this!

  • @michaelshields6326
    @michaelshields6326 2 месяца назад +1

    That Brett Hull game winner in game 2 is one of the sickest shots ever. Absolute missile.

  • @Deadono
    @Deadono 3 месяца назад

    I don't religiously watch hockey videos but this was really good! My next paragraph has some loosely actual things related to the video. The rest is just me talking personal thoughts of a couple of teams. I just dumped all that crap below. So be warned, you might strain your eyes and brains. I get as far as the Blackhawks with it..
    Those Stars and Sabres jerseys, man.. In the arguably most fun period of hockey, with the most entertaining goalies. I'm not native to NA so I always picked a team I like based on the players I liked in the NHL. On that period, it was the Sabres because of Hasek. Then after a few-year break of watching the NHL, I started to like the Blackhawks. It was around the time when Kane and Toews started playing. I still root for the Blackhawks, but I enjoy watching the Sabres and Stars. Another big one for me in the '90s was the Avalanche. I love them nowadays as well, they have Rantanen from my home country and has the same last name as I do. And he is gooood. Obviously not the only reason though.
    Another off topic remark: I hope the Blackhawks dig their way out of the mudpuddle they soaked and stirred, to grow to be a stronger team. There are pieces of a puzzle with lots of unfitting shapes and sizes. I hope they get one sharp boxcutter, which would even out the whole picture and the spaces between. They have the big piece on the center, which they can move around a bit, but the corners, sides and spaces between all that need some serious thought as well as trying, failing and getting better. The failing part preferably being the less frequent repetition of the aforementioned ones for the upcoming years.
    Lots of rambling about different teams and players, but that concludes my personal experience as an enjoyer of the sport.

  • @onajourneytosomewherek8242
    @onajourneytosomewherek8242 3 месяца назад +2

    you are the cream of hockey channels. period.

  • @jimc.goodfellas
    @jimc.goodfellas 3 месяца назад

    Great video my friend...very interesting choices by some of the presidents. I will call you out a little bit on your take on Gone With the Wind and The Searchers, both are among the greatest films of all time and incredible in my opinion. And yes you should definitely delve into the John Ford film, there are so many good ones, but may i recommend The Informer and Stagecoach to start off

  • @timmholl9238
    @timmholl9238 3 месяца назад +5

    Okay, I'm about to watch this: but I think you should know that I'm from Dallas, but was stationed in San Diego during this time. California (West Coast) airs live "prime-time" games beginning at 5 or 6 PM. This game got over at 11 PM! I cannot fathom how Central Standard Time (Texans) or ESTers (Buffalo) survived!
    Also, to any sports fan, we ALL have felt the bitterness of defeat by a lousy call. It sucks.
    ... I mean, of course, not this time. No way! Stanley Cup Stars, baby!

  • @LukeStCyr1733
    @LukeStCyr1733 3 месяца назад +3

    the intro got me thinking i was watching a secret base rewinder video

  • @thomasgrams9715
    @thomasgrams9715 3 месяца назад

    Great video as always

  • @DD-ix3bm
    @DD-ix3bm 3 месяца назад

    Im not a hockey fan, but this video was super interesting! Thanks for making it!

  • @JoeSkylynx
    @JoeSkylynx 3 месяца назад +13

    I was born in Buffalo, and honestly the feeling of hopelessness at the time was palpable. Both the major teams, the Bills and Sabres, got so close to getting over the hump and winning the city a victory in sports. Only to watch the Four Falls with the Bills and then watch the Sabres get back to the finals after 24 years, and lose it thanks to a rule that'd later be changed. Not to mention that a year later began the Flutie Curse. Being a Buffalo fan is pain.

    • @aceassn716
      @aceassn716 3 месяца назад +1

      William McKinley curse still lingers
      He was shot&killed in Buffalo (sound familiar) at the worlds fair
      Legend claims it was the citys first chance to shine on the worlds stage, failed so anytime Buffalo is involved in anything major they stumble…
      Buffalo Braves NBA team anyone?
      90-93 Bills?
      99Sabres&Bills
      At least the Buffalo Bandits win titles!!

    • @JoeSkylynx
      @JoeSkylynx 2 месяца назад

      @@aceassn716 personally I'm a man who like the Curse of the Blue Pike. Ever since the blue walleyes went away, Buffalo has suffered!

    • @quentincampbell612
      @quentincampbell612 24 дня назад

      ​​@@aceassn716 well, remember,Jack Kemp and the Bills did win back to back AFL Championships in the mid 1960s. RB Carlton "Cookie" Gilchrist and WR Elbert Dubinion etc. .

  • @donniekeay
    @donniekeay 3 месяца назад

    Great video, I remember this like yesterday. The goal shouldn't have counted, however the Stars were the better team and would have likely still prevailed in the series. The Stars were also getting a big "push" by the NHL at the time, who wanted the southern teams to be successful for further expansion.

  • @m.a.d.h604
    @m.a.d.h604 Месяц назад

    I remember watching that series as a kid what a exciting game I was going for Dallas because of Eddie Belfour I was so happy that he finally got to lift that cup up

  • @lightfeather9953
    @lightfeather9953 3 месяца назад

    I forgot all about this but immediately when the top down camera view started, I remembered. Must have seen the replay a dozen times back then

  • @Rolo-yj6yg
    @Rolo-yj6yg 3 месяца назад +2

    This guys videos are the best dude

  • @TallisLizzy
    @TallisLizzy Месяц назад +1

    God bless Brett Hull

  • @chriskleven5441
    @chriskleven5441 Месяц назад

    Great depth of information and background leading up to the controversy, however I don't know how you managed to pronounce Mike Modano's name wrong.

  • @jeenius9664
    @jeenius9664 3 месяца назад

    Great video, as usual.

  • @UndertaleFan424
    @UndertaleFan424 3 месяца назад +1

    Buffalo's existence is to be a punchline in pretty much any sport (Besides Lacrosse). Buffalo's only known by a few sayings so far. "No Goal" , "WIde Right" & "13 Seconds".

  • @PMorrow84
    @PMorrow84 3 месяца назад +3

    I remember staying up watching that game. The absolute anxiety battling with elation (as a young Stars fan at the time) on whether or not the goal would stay kept me awake until the next night. Glad to have gotten to see the Stars win the Cup, but definitely wish it'd happened without the controversy. Hasek was an absolute beast, and nearly carried that team to a cup.

  • @07foxmulder
    @07foxmulder 3 месяца назад +10

    Hasek is the greatest goalie ever. That’s gonna make some habs fans squirm but no one touched Hasek.

    • @99Stams
      @99Stams 3 месяца назад +2

      Except for this guy you might have heard of named Roy

    • @barrydylan5080
      @barrydylan5080 3 месяца назад

      Hasek only won the cup as a backup.. lost his job to Chris Osgood

    • @07foxmulder
      @07foxmulder 3 месяца назад +2

      @@99Stams I’ve heard of him. Hasek is still better.

    • @07foxmulder
      @07foxmulder 3 месяца назад +1

      @@barrydylan5080 Can’t take your opinion serious when you don’t know how many Cups Hasek won.

    • @nocrtname
      @nocrtname 3 месяца назад

      Don't get me wrong, Roy was amazing, but Hasek was better.

  • @BloodRider1914
    @BloodRider1914 3 месяца назад +12

    Most people in the comments seem to be more sympathetic to the Sabres, which is fair enough. However it's a shame that Stars fans have to contend with their only cup being so shrouded by controversy. I hope they get another cup soon

    • @imsquidward5187
      @imsquidward5187 3 месяца назад

      Would’ve happened to whoever won the cup that season to be fair

    • @ObscuraDeCapra
      @ObscuraDeCapra 3 месяца назад +1

      Nah, it's cool. We're not hockey illiterates like Sabres fans apparently still are.

    • @daved1535
      @daved1535 3 месяца назад

      I'm a Stars fan and I live in Buffalo. I love arguing with Sabres fans about this. It just might be the Stars only Stanley Cup in my lifetime. Until the Stars win another one or if they win another one, I can always say they won their only Stanley Cup in my backyard

    • @kyleconnor2759
      @kyleconnor2759 3 месяца назад

      Obviously still bothers you guys because you know it was genuine bs.
      That said, I still would’ve bet on the Stars to win game 7 because their team much stronger. But you won it on some bs, that’s just how it happened.

    • @ObscuraDeCapra
      @ObscuraDeCapra 3 месяца назад

      @@kyleconnor2759 Oh yeah, Stars fans are so bothered.
      Tell me, how the fuck many videos have been made targeted at Stars fans reassuring us that we actually won? Fucking none.
      Now how many have been made shitting on Buffalo fans that can't accept their teams are all trash and will always be trash and also they don't know how hockey works? DOZENS, and that's just the ones made by randos on RUclips.
      Cope and seethe, Buffalosers.

  • @gethmord
    @gethmord 2 месяца назад

    Love the toughness of NHL players. No other sport has guys like these. Just on the stars team. Hull had a groin injury, Modano played ~14 games with a broken wrist. Soft cast and nova-cane injections just before each period.

  • @ibrahimchaudrey4864
    @ibrahimchaudrey4864 3 месяца назад +1

    Dude I had no clue about this until you made a video. You explained it very well and the clips were very relevant to the topic.

  • @DisasterDude0
    @DisasterDude0 3 месяца назад +2

    Another W vid by hockey psychology

  • @jimwerther
    @jimwerther 2 месяца назад +1

    It took 25 years, but I'm finally willing to accept the possibility that Dallas won legitimately. Nice vid.

  • @MarkJensen-x1j
    @MarkJensen-x1j Месяц назад

    after watching every game of that playoff season, and EVERY SINGLE goal that even had a tid bit of a skate in the crease was no goal, This was the only one that was allowed to stand and count, it was beyond confusing and the explanation made zero sense since many of the disallowed goals that playoff should have counted as well. great video thanks

  • @judymccomiskie-yi7bo
    @judymccomiskie-yi7bo 3 месяца назад +1

    When Hockey Psychology releases a new video, I stop everything 👏

  • @eddiefraser4373
    @eddiefraser4373 3 месяца назад

    I will NEVER forget this.

  • @u563rick6
    @u563rick6 3 месяца назад

    First, what a great non-bias documentary coverage on this incident. Well done! 👍 👏. That said, it will haunt the city of Buffalo forever!

  • @davebaumga
    @davebaumga 3 месяца назад

    I still wake up in a cold sweat sometimes dreaming about Brett Hull signing Gloria.God I love that man, but holy cow.

  • @Bc232klm
    @Bc232klm 3 месяца назад

    Good breakdown!

  • @NLCovers
    @NLCovers 3 месяца назад

    As someone who lives in Buffalo, it's not just the skate in the crease, its the fact that to this day, the only professional sports team to win a championship for our city is our Buffalo Bandits. A lacrosse team. We had an NBA team, the Buffalo Braves that left the city in 1978. We also never had a MLB team. Therefore, the only sports teams that could win a major championship are the Buffalo Bills and Buffalo Sabres. We don't have the luxury of other big cities having 4 different teams competing for that glorious victory in sports. That's the major reason this day in Sabres history haunts us to this day. We were this close, and the dreams of a championship parade stick with us to this day.

  • @gordonbraine1328
    @gordonbraine1328 3 месяца назад

    That playoff series and that goal are what made me a buffalo sabres fan

  • @mms8393
    @mms8393 Месяц назад +4

    I was at the game with my sister sitting twelve rows behind Belfour. There was absolutely NO explanation to the crowd about what had happened. There were NO replays on the Jumbotron. I saw Lindy come out of the dressing room screaming at the commissioner but Bettman paid him no attention. I thought Lindy was just being a sore loser. But in retrospect the commissioner was wrong not to address this.
    It wasn't until an hour later when we finally went into the hallway of the arena that we saw "Hockey Hotline" on the televisions with Mike Robitaille and Brian Blessing explaining what had happened. Until then I had no idea that the goal was controversial. The next day was all about the League scrambling to cover up their tracks. Did it change hockey forever??? For me it did. I am never dropping that kind of money on the NHL again - or any professional sport for that matter.

  • @mattvball17
    @mattvball17 3 месяца назад

    I turned 10 years old as a Long Island New York Rangers fan (proper education would soon lead me to correcting towards the Islanders but i digress LOL) and i remember this moment just as much as moments my own teams went through. It was crazy. I felt so bad for the Sabres.