I liked Theo fleurys explanation that the reason why lindros never skated with his head up was because he grew up being the biggest and strongest person on the ice until he got into the NHL, so he's never had to keep his head on a swivel
@@hibbidyjibbidyyyea ur right. Theo was small...I always looked up to guys that size because I'm small. Remember Sergei Samsonov? Boston Bruins...that man was tiny
I'm 6 ft and too heavy, but when you play against somebody that has his size, and he skates faster than you can, you've never heard that sound on that ice
BS - He was a whiner extraordinaire and his parents were no better. He was a kid, treated like he was a jewel by his parents and he thought that he should be counted as a diamond.
That's not true. They didn't know the extent of head injuries. But other teams were told to aim for his head to take him out of the game. And the NHL backed it all. I honestly think that if you do something dirty that ends a player's career, the punishment should be, banishment from the league. Not fines or a few games out. That's nothing to these guys. You need to hit them where it actually hurts. Hell, some of these dirt balls will do something dirty just to get some time off. (half joking).
Lindros and his Brother , Brett both had multiple concussion through their respective careers. Brett had I think seven. He was told by his doctors he HAD to quit hockey. Or the next concussion could leave him permanently disabled. Eric was pretty much in the same boat. I think both brothers may have had a genetic propensity to be concussed from contact.
@@patersonplankrd Maybe. But Eric was fine until he got to the NHL when people started targeting his head every chance they got. I remember those days. He was 100% ended out of poor-sportsmanship and malice. He was too good. And he was going to break records. The NHL hated him for choosing to basically hijack the draft and basically chose where he wanted to play instead of doing the right thing. If they would've just gotten over it, he would have scoring records for sure. He had the hands of Gretzky the size of Mario and was tougher than most of the enforcers in the league. They hated him so they allowed his career to be ended. The refs let other teams assault him all the time. But when Crosby would hit someone from behind or slew-foot them, they would get a penalty instead of Crosby.
The real dirty hit in this video is at 2:55. Hold stick and use as a slingshot to ram your head as an uppercut into an opponents chin behind the play? Stevens never forgot that hit, and he paid it back. Agreed that in todays NHL its probably a penalty, but not back then. Feet on the ice and shoulder checks, no matter where they land, were legal.
He did give Lindros some pushback, and yes, this DOES fall on the Flyers and Eric Lindros. The Flyers fans can deny it and scream to the high heavens that it's all Scott Stevens' fault, but evidently, no.
@@chaoticjerseyyes there are many similar stories in the older days of the NFL. It was a different game and time before we understood brain injuries. Revisionism is heavy with Scott Stevens. He was just a bad ass mother fucker. So was Jack Tatum in the early years of the NFL. Literally shattered a guys helmet with a hit.
Headbutt by Lindros. Shoulder hit on puck carrier w head down by Stevens. I have been hit like that, my fault for having my head down, not other guy’s penalty for not getting his shoulder out of the way of my lowered head. Lindros was big, aggressive and cocky, abusing plenty of others. Kasparitis was smaller. Stevens was smaller.
@@chaoticjersey Well, it certainly falls somewhat on Stevens. Lindros got told time and time again to not keep his head down and yet... So quite a bit of the blame falls on him for not actually trying to protect himself, but launching yourself at high speed at another person's head is a bit much. There's rivalry and then there's targeting for injury.
He almost certainly had more concussions than the official injury record. Opposing players would launch at him from the other side of the ice on a regular basis to try to take him out and usually bounce off, but those kinds of jarring hits can give concussions too. He probably played so many stretches of games concussed that it became the new normal for him.
so tired of hearing the blanket keep head up, EVERYBODY looks down at some point, when you have master predator like Stevens who specifically picked his moments based on when the opponent was looking away, you're going to catch guys hard. i still don't get how tough guys are thought of as tough guys when really all they're doing is looking for blind spots rather than going eye to eye with guys. oh and the whole triple teaming... it takes such a real hard man to come in as the 3rd guy on a player that's already under double coverage. SO tough and hardcore.
@@ChrisEightyNine minor hockey coaches repeat 8 year olds all the time to keep their heads up. It's not only because of the dirty hits, it's just basic hockey IQ. In the end that's what separated the all time greats from Lindros, his lack of awareness on the ice. There were a lot of hard hitters like Stevens back in the days (Konstantinov, Hatcher, Neely, Kasparitis, etc..) AND the dead puck/neutral zone trap era made it even more important to keep the head up and be aware of your surroundings. You may be tired of hearing it but it is what it is, he played himself in the end and it was not just because of Stevens.
@@robrosborough2553 Okay. If I see you on the street and you have your head down, it's totally okay for me to hit you in the face for no reason? That's your logic.
Indeed. Remember ten years ago when Crosby had multiple concussions and there were lot of concern that his career might end prematurely? Thankfully that didn't happen.
@@Slidezy True. They used to say it was less dirty to go high than to go after the knees. Neely's and Orr's career were both ended by knee on knee hits.
Crazy how they use to say a player “had his bell rung” and would often send him back in after a brief rest. Concussions often have lifetime consequences. Glad professional sports have finally understood how serious they can be.
It was all sports at the time, but it wasnt just sports, it was the medical community too... The medical community just did not have enough advancement in Brain injury yet. The problem was they did not realize the long-term devastation concussions have and just how serious they actually are. This is why even after brutal concussions, players would play 1-2 days later... Even now, with Tua, who has had like 4 concussions, and 2 super serious ones, he is only missing like 1-2 months of play. Its kinda crazy. But in Tua's case, him, his family and everyone knows the risks and consequences. I feel like, it is your choice at that point. Him and his family know full well what can happen and the serious ramifications. If I was the NFL, I would make him sign paperwork to negate any liability at this point. All sports have serious health risks weather physically or neurologically. At the end of the day, the person and their family need to do what they think is best for them. If taking on the risks is what they choose, that is their choice.
I was watching a lot of hockey during this time period. given what we know about concussions now, it's like they did everything WRONG . The worst thing is that it's not over. Concussions, especially repeated ones can have serious life long consequences especially when you get older with dementia etc . I hope he's going to be okay, even though I was obligated to hate him at the time (Penguins fan)
Lindros and Kariya weren’t the only ones. Pat Lafontaine was being described as the greatest American born player in NHL history when concussions took him out of the game in the early to mid 90s. The Panthers had a gem of a player in David Booth in the early 20-teens whose fearless and hard working play made him a perennial 20-30 goal scorer until an open ice blindside hit to the head by Mike Richards (who never even got suspended for it as I recall) ended one season early and he was never able to return to form after. For two decades the league turned a blind eye to these dirty hits that were taking out their star players while mystifyingly cracking down on enforcers (the guys whose job it was to make other teams not want to play dirty because they’d become targets) and then complaining about scoring being down.
Yeah, the way that the NHL handled this was really incompetent. Back in the 80s and 90s, guys like Wayne Gretzky and Steve Yzerman (their physical stats are near identical, 5'11" and 185 lbs) could have a full career. Moving into the 2000s, it got so that a guy had to be built like an NFL linebacker to even hope to survive. I quit watching the game because of the BS going on with that. The cheap-shot artists had free reign, it just became too stupid to watch.
Absolutely mind boggling watching this in 2024. Can’t wrap my head around the way concussions and head trauma were so mystified back then. You would think that throughout our years as humans we would’ve put tons of research into the ways repeated head impacts can contribute to our overall decline in health and long-term disability. Glad that we are more up to speed now, but incredibly interesting to learn that less than 25 years ago we barely had a handle on what the ramifications of a concussion could be.
Well it wasn’t too long before the 2000’s that they even had computers and images that could detect brain injury. 100 years ago they woulda had to cut into living peoples skulls to figure out what was going on.
a lot of money in not figuring it out. Thats why the NFL now has an official stance on TBI of "We're looking into it" They arent. And dont. And never will.
I remember when he got drafted by the Nordiques. He refused to sign with the team supposedly because of the distance, lack of marketing potential, and having to speak French. Everybody got pissed at him when he left Quebec for Philadelphie. We didn't know at the time that it was because his mother had had ''advances'' by the then owner Marcel Aubut. He lied to protect his mom while enduring all the hate.
Id like to say that he should have reported it, but the truth is if he did, Aubut would have to sell the Nordiques earlier. In the end, Lindros may have tried to save the team by refusing to sign
That is very interesting. See, everyone draws conclusions when they don't know the whole truth. That makes me respect and feel for Lindros even more now. That's a selfless, standup guy and at a young age.
As a native Flyers fan, I’m a huge Lindros fan and is by far, my favorite player. I wish nothing but the best for Eric and his family. Miss you wearing black and orange!
As a former football and hockey player, I am going to go out on a limb and say those were not his first concussions. Any time your head hits the ice, glass, other helmets, and/or fists, that is a tiny concussion that builds into serious, long term, brain injuries.
This year QMJHL 19-year-old player Lane Hinkley (who played for the Charlottetown Islanders) retired from hockey altogether. He said": “Too many hits, too many punches, too many concussions that I didn’t properly heal from. The doctor said my MRI showed there was a 25mm by 17mm lesion on my brain… Currently, I am at risk for CTE and early dementia.” I just wonder how many other junior players are at high risk of CTE/dementia
@christopherwood8760 unless a guy has been a couch potatoe his ehole young life, pretty much all young men have had dozens of small concussions and a handful of legitimate ones simply from bike crashes and accidental headbutts from wrestling around. If you've played a contact sport in hs, you've had a dozen concussions
@@timharper4246 Somehow that's not very comforting, even if true which it could be. When a medical team was studying a team of soccer players to record concussions and were getting frustrated because none of the players were having major blows to the head the medical team decided to see what the impact of players repeatedly heading the ball in practice was and found that just that activity was enough to cause "mini" concussions.
I believe that one of Bill Masterson's teammates said that they thought that he died not just because of a blow to the head in a game but because he had suffered a bigger blow to the head shortly before in a team practice. I would think that a lot of boxers who die in the ring die not just because of one hit or even one fight but because of all the hits they have taken in other fights.
What a great video. From what I read the Philly staff told him to get back to Philadelphia via plane when he sufferet the collapsed lung, which could lead to disaster. It is absolutely crazy how incompetent they were back then.
Lindros delighted in destroying much smaller players when they were going back to touch the puck on an icing call. This was one of the most vulnerable positions a player could be in before the no-touch icing rule was introduced. Lindros always took that hit and usually put the smaller players' head into the boards right at whistle. This was the main reason the entire NHL was gunning for him. Put this together with his habit of watching himself skate and it was only a matter of time.
Yeah... he had a habit of hitting players with their backs turned and finishing checks well after defensemen got rid of the puck. So, when he'd cross that blue line with his head down, I'm sure there were a lot of defensemen saying payback's a b****.
@@famousmortimer7933lindros was bigger than most of the other guys on the ice. That’s fact. He bullied a lot of guys, lots of cheap hits, he got his. Karma…
@famousmortimer7933 You just won the internet for the stupidest comment ever. 6'4" 240, is not small, especially when you're extremely fit. These guys train all day and are on skates which means you're moving at very high speed at a solid 240. New boards move, the old ones didn't, the pads help but when a guy is skating at 30mph and hits a guy going 20mph, shit happens. NHL is the toughest sport on the planet.
As is mentioned in the video, when you play as hard as Lindros was doing, opposing teams will not be easy on you. It was also an era when hockey was as much about dominating physically as puck control.
I have limited sympathy, he wasn't shy about dishing it out. In fact, I'm wondering how many concussions he dealt out to others that nobody is sat here crying about because their name aint Lindros. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Thats hockey.
Pat LaFontaine was a similar case. He suffered I believe 8 concussions in his career with the Islanders, and then the Rangers acquired him from Buffalo. I don't remember specifically who put the hit on him, but someone laid him out on the ice rendering LaFontaine unconscious. Watching it unfold on television I immediately thought the worst.
I played with him in the early years (pre NHL, we grew up in the same area) and just a few weeks ago, my g/f bought a car off of one of their families car dealerships. I wasn't close friends with him, but we knew a lot of the same people and I was tempted to ask how he was doing when we there a few weeks ago, but it just seemed inappropriate. I remember hearing stories about he was so depressed from the concussions, he would literally not get out of bed for days, coudlnt remember things. It sounded awful.
The biggest explanation for why Lindros had the habit of skating with his head down mostly comes from him being bigger than most of the others in the OHL that they usually just bounced off him.
I cant jive with that. He's big, sure, but the OHL has plenty of big dudes in it. He'd be encountering a whole lot of guys that wouldn't just bounce off him. It might just be a bad habit.
@hhiippiittyy they have them, but they aren't on that kind of level. They likely didn't make the cut and stopped shortly after regardless. They likely couldn't touch him due to speed , skill, and him still able to out power
I still say that he developed that habit as he grew up in hocky. Being the biggest and best at lower levels meant that he wasn't risking as much as the smaller players would bounce off him at those levels. Then when he got to the NHL where he was now playing against players who were closer in ability and size it became a risk but by then he had already fully developed the habit of not being afraid to have his head down that much. Just a hypothesis at least.
You’re absolutely right he developed that habit at an early age because he was always so big and never completely got out of it and that is what ruined his career
That is absolutely crazy that he was allowed to return after missing just 2 games. Goes against just about all the knowledge we have about concussions and head injuries now.
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I remember watching this game live. He actually had an extremely decent season after this with the Rangers, going 37-36-73 for more than a point a game in 72 contests... But after that the concussions caught up to him, same as his lesser known brother.
Ngl I’m only 17 so I didn’t even know he had a brother but I saw looked his stats and in junior he was pretty good and in the NHL the points don’t stand out but his pims do so u know what he was on the floor for
@@Babydinomelllthe points don’t tell the story because he was injured so much. He averaged 1.33 PPG that should stand out to you. Growing up a young hockey fan in the 90s, Lindros was my absolute favorite player. I been a Bruins fan my whole life but watching Lindros play was similar to watching Kobe. Even if he didn’t play for your team, watching him play was an experience in itself. He was unlike any other player in the league. He had the size to devastate and the speed and skills to snipe incredible goals. His game was a lot like Ovechkin, not quite the offensive skills, but much more physical. He was like a created player on a NHL video game that had 99 for shooting and 99 for hitting.
Jeff Beukeboom was one of my favorite players growing up. He was a powerful enforcer, but always hit clean. He'd knock you right out of your pads, but it would be a legal hit every time. His career was ended on a cheap shot... Just sad.
I grew up watching the flyers, lindros was really the reason i got into hockey. The concussions, the bad medical staff, the fights with management, it was all just too much. Oh what could have been
My father was the Flyer fan. But Lindros just himself almost made me a Flyer fan. If Lindros was given the Crosby treatment when he got his. I truly believe in 2000-2005 the Flyers win two. It wasn't until 97 that he truly started to have the pieces around him. Once you guys got Reechi back and moved on from Hextall. The Flyers had great d B+ goal tending and more then the legion of doom. Roenick in 2001 would of gave you guys three scary lines for any team to face. Plug in a healthy Lindros from 2000-2005. The Avs or Wings wouldn't be deep enough to beat them.
@TheMrTwizter Nice seeing you over here👍And don’t forget to add to your list of the obvious Scott Stevens head hunting tendencies! ( He absolutely targeted Lindros to take him out of a game 7 )
@@TheMrTwizter I’m all for tough & rough hockey Honorable battles between individual players and teams but I cannot respect the tactics of one Scott Stevens who was a weasel as he took advantage of many many players in a vulnerable situations to lower the boom…he’s a Punk A** player in my book! LOL just last night I was watching The Flyer fights of the teams from the mid “1980’s the Tocchet & Brown era and Scott Stevens was a weasel back then! ( you get around also!😂 ) see you on the next Chris show🏒👋
My ex wife's friend was a fillipina housekeeper for Eric back in the early 2000s. She told me he was a quiet guy, but often had a ton of hockey friends over whenever they were in town to play the Leafs. She would often giggle at the amounts of booze and women that paraded through, Kool
Dude your videos have always been really good but the ones you made this off-season are off the charts man. You've really stepped it up and we absolutely love to see it 💯
I’ve been coaching youth hockey going on forty years now. The most important thing you can teach players is to skate with their heads up at ALL times! Eric Lindross was so big and strong that he got away with skating with his head down at every level EXCEPT the NHL. Hope he’s doing alright now.
He's doing good. He's married has three kids two boys and a girl and he coaches youth hockey. He, his wife and his kids were at several Flyers games last season and he was at Citizens Bank Park with his family to see the Phillies in the World Series last year. He's still a big presence in the Philadelphia area community.
Seen this at 999k views hoped to be the millionth but I’ll come back soon, congrats on your first million view vid you have an intriguing style of making content
The flyers ruined Lindros. Team Doctors covering it up to make him play while outside doctors say he can't play, a big scandal. I'll never forget the hit.
As a Flyers fan, I hate to agree with this, but it is totally true. And the thing is, the team made him out to be a villain in all of this. There were sections of the fanbase that hated Lindros because they thought that he was weak because of all of these concussions. Meanwhile himself and another former Flyer who had career ending concussion issues, Keith Primeau, are pioneers in leading the charge for the current concussion protocols in the league. The Flyers organization of the early 2000's just look like total monsters in hindsight.
@@KevinniveK2112 This is one of the biggest reasons I can't root for Philly teams, fans totally bought into the narrative & turned on him on a dime, it was so frustrating. It wasn't just Snyder that drove him outta town, the media gassed up the vehicle & the fans helped push.
@@chizorama I hear you and totally understand. It's hard to defend for sure. It doesn't help that there was a clear conflict of interest with the fact that the only sports radio station in the city at the time was basically owned by the team. The team had total control over the message and the players were more anonymous for better or for worse. In this age of social media and instant information this has really been turned on its head. Not saying the fans aren' t susceptible to this still, though.
@@KevinniveK2112 yeah it's unfortunate but social justice movements can be powerful tools and the team used it - it's easy to look back and point fingers at the fans but most of them did not have all the facts
We were season ticket holders and my friend was sitting behind the Flyers goal . Her face says it all . Scott Stevens was at that time one of the best defensemen. The definition of "never skate with your head down" Lindros play made us all stand whenever he got the puck. It was an unforgetable time as a Flyers fan . The 4-0 sweep by Detroit was sad. My heart hurts seeing this video and it is an excellent documentary. I also for the record remember the Flyers were on a role and doing fine without Eric playing and the sudden insertion of him in this game kinda blew the season most likely. Thank you for this.
@@Plague073no that was blatant disregard for the health of anyone else. If the dude played today he'd he wouldn't have made it past the AHL and been suspended 10+ times.
I'm from the UK and I know next to nothing about hockey, but this was a well explained video that I found engaging. Has Eric Lindros remained healthy since his retirement? I ask because many rugby players from Europe have suffered debilitating effects from sustaining high levels of concussions in the early 2000's. I am glad to see both games taking the issue seriously.
I couldn't find anything on Eric Lindros' post-retirement health. I do remember Eric's younger brother Brett Lindros going high in the NHL draft, and then playing all of two seasons for the New York Islanders before retiring due to concussion issues.
what a great vid!! we see this story many times ,but your breakdown is amazing ,nobody have ever done this way.great job!why can't you work for the NHL network!!?
I went to a stick handling camp a few times as a kid. One of the biggest things they stressed was *don’t skate with your head down* . A puck on the toe of the stick feels completely different than when it’s on the heel. They tried teaching us to know where the puck was by feel, not sight. Even with this training, I’d still catch myself with my head down on occasion. It’s a tough habit to break, kids should learn to skate heads up as soon as possible.
I never had formal training. HOwever, I watched a lot of NHL. Also had books written by NHL greats. One such book was by Bobby Orr. Simply entitled "4"....Most of the content was a 'how to' of hockey. That book taught me tons.
I remember doing the same type of camp. Our coach also had some guys come in and help us a bit before we went to our first full contact tournament, and the following summer I did a camp in August... My problem was also skating with my head down too often. I was very fast for my height and could handle the puck quite well, but I often had my head down when I was trying to get fancy. I was always on the average to short side but fairly heavy compared to all the skinny lanky kids. I had many instances where kids would try to hit me and kinda just bounce off so I kept playing with my head down way too often. I did get caught a couple times and got rocked pretty good once the taller kids weren't as lanky as they used to be. Its a shame, but you really do need to be at least 5'10 - 5'11 to have a real shot at making it to the next level. The scouts are always obsessed with size and will often take a bigger, slightly less skilled player over the smaller, faster, higher skilled player.
Lindros was my uncle Chris favorite player. Had his jersey and watched every game that was showed on tv. That mid to late 90s era of hockey was phenomenal! Take good care of yourself, EL.
90's hockey was the best hockey era and NBA too. Hell maybe even the NFL? It's amazing to think how many amazing players the 90's produced and in a time that still had a good balance of physical play and scoring.
That era of hockey sucked. All clutching and grabbing and neutral zone trapping. There was actually a book written at the time titled The Death Of Hockey, that all about how mid to late nineties era hockey was ruining the NHL.
@@ronfroehlich4697 and you read the book and basing your stupid statement from that? Your saying an era with Yagr, Federov, Modano, Kariya, Selaane, Sakic, Forsberg, Chelios, Lemiux, Yzerman, and so many others (along with the Red Wings vs Avalanche matches) sucked? Please video yourself telling these HOFers that their era sucks.
@@mizrahimjew9351 There were some true all-time greats playing in that era but hockey in the mid and late nineties was boring compared to the fire wagon style of previous eras. Again, way too much clutching and grabbing, way too much neutral zone trapping; that was when goalies equipment really started to balloon in size, there were too many low scoring games. Also, Mario Lemieux came from the 80's and retired prematurely (1997) because of how bad hockey sucked in the mid to late nineties.
My favourite player. That was the hit that ended his career but he had been horribly miss managed by the flyers, his parents were right to speak up at the time and the man just couldn’t say no to lacing the skates up.
Maybe they were but his parents also stunted his mental development and professional independence being overly involved in his career starting by the Quebec Nordiques situation. But I get your point
Lmao his parents were divas who treated the team like a vessel for their son, with no regard or respect for the team and dynamics within it.. Clarke was right to tell them to blow it out their ass, there’s no room for princesses on the Flyers
@@XxCorvette1xXI won't disagree that his parents needed to stay out of his business. There over involvement ruined realtionships. Defenitly took advantage of there own son as his agent. But if you think for one second the Flyers and Clarke handled any of his injuries correctly. They literally almost killed him in 99. If it wasn't for his roommate forcing him to go to the emergency room to find out he was internally bleeding he would of died. LeClair himself openly said they forced Lindros to play against the Devils. Stripped him of his C on live tv. He suited up for his teammates. Treated every concussion like it was a headache. He had like 4 or 5 in less then 5 months something like that. That Stevens hit if he was a lesser man could of killed him. He litterly still had one. Your Flyers win one with Lindros possibly two had they let him heal. 97/98 is when they started to get the pieces they gave away to get him. Acquiring Reechi back with LeClair was almost enough. Hextall was your weak link then. But as soon the Flyers moved on from him you finally had goalies good enough to win playoff games. But 2000 you win line one healthy Lindros,LeClaiir,Reechi. Line two Primeau,Gange,Tocchet/Williams. First time in Lindros career the Flyers would be two lines deep. With great D and B+/A- goal tending. You also get Jermey in 01 which would of made you guys deeper then the Wings.
Why did they strip him of his captaincy? Because he was giving it to Rod Brindamoors wife and Rod tried to beat his ass in the locker room. So they traded Rod
I remember watching him play jr for the generals when they came through north bay. He was amazing... skilled and genuinely invincible on the ice. Everyone knew his head was down, even as a kid I would point it out but even big d men like Darrien Hatcher couldn't seem to catch him clean when he got a head of steam. Obviously that changed in the NHL. It was sad to see his career fizzle this way (even for a pens fan) but I am glad to hear he has been feeling well and doing such great charity work post career. All the best to Big E
Yes, exactly. I saw him play at the World Juniors in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. As you said, he was absolutely dominant, but his head was ALWAYS down as he carried the puck. Once he reached the NHL, where EVERYONE is phenomenal and rugged, his days were numbered. Despite such, I always enjoyed #88.
ive always felt that the whole lindros thing was a cumulative failure of all of his coaches throughout his career. he played his minor/junior career during the whole keep your head up at all times and because he outsized his opponents he never had to adapt. its tragic but ultimately its on both him and his coaches, and IMHO the league overcorrected because players were leading with their heads. you would NEVER see players in the 80's cross center ice with their head down because you'd get killed, hell even gretz the one time he did it got blown up.
All facts here, I played in the 80s and noo way geeting caught with head down coming up the middle. I say the same thing because of his size he did not have to adapt yup and it produced a terrible habbit that cost him no doubt
I remember watching that game. I thought he was done after that and he was, though I didn't think he would linger so long trying to play. He just had a bad habit of keeping his head down, and against a D like Stevens who loved to come laterally across his zone just inside the blue line, it was just a recipe for disaster!! Stevens was a devastating checker!! You didn't want to be head down with him prowling that blue line!
i was a kid and watched every game that season. when lindros finally came back i was so excited. and when he got taken out by stevens, i was heartbroken! i remember that game so well.
As a Red Wings fan who watched them in the mid to late 90s to now, we definitely feared Lindros and respected the hell out of him even though we didn’t like Philly too much. Love ya Philly 🧹
That hit that Konstantinov laid on him in the finals was certainly his first major concussion. I didn't think he was ever the same after those finals and Vlad was the primary reason.
@@insigbabl Well, you’re probably right. And even though I love Vladdy (I literally had a dog named after him called Vladdy) he got his own karma in a worse way, sadly. But yea, you’re right.
As an Avs fan I liked Lindros for entirely different reasons. So much talent gathered through all the picks, players and cash that was garnered in the trade to Philly.
At the time I hated Lindros because I thought he was a baby for not playing for Quebec. In recent years I've been horrified to learn about his concussions and how they impacted him. I almost couldn't watch this video. Great job on the video, BTW. It made a compelling statement about concussions and how they were poorly handled.
The Lindros trade set off a series of events that lead to the Av's winning two Cup and greatest team fight ever. In the trade the Nordiques got Forsberg and Ricci and two first round picks. One they drafted Thibault and then traded him to the Canadians for Roy. The second pick they flipped for Wendel Clark who was traded for Claude Lemieux. Lemieux was instrumental to the 1995 Devils Cup (playoff MVP) and the 1996 Av's cup, and then buried Chris Draper into the boards which lead to the Red Wings Av's team brawl. He was later traded back to the Devils for Brian Rolston who was traded for Ray Bourque who helped the Av's win in 2001 again. Would the Nordiques ever of moved if Lindros signed with them? Would they have the trade chips to build a contender? Who knows.
@@MrOctober44 Its a cheap shot today. I think it was pretty standard for the time. The main issue for Lindros is the poorly treated concussions. Nobody knew how bad they could be and I believe if he'd had the treatment options they have today would have had a much longer career.
@@Manuel565 Certainly the protocols are much different, Lindros being a huge part of that. The Kasparitis hit was clean. I've never thought the Stevens hit was. He was always a cheap shot headhunter
If you look at the guy that owned the nordiques, Marcel Aubut, an alleged serial rapist. You understand why his parents had bad vibes about going to quebec city.
I always found it interesting how Bobby Clarke incessantly questioned the toughness of Eric Lindros when he was regularly getting rocked and suffering concussions.
What I remember about the time was the Devil’s Trap. The neutral zone trap caused the Flyers problems. Back then we didn’t have a second and third line defensemen who could skate through the neutral zone. Our only defensemen who could skate through zone was Eric Desjardains . Hence this video. I remember listening to the local sports station (WIP). And I recall the radio personalities saying at thr time Eric would have to skate through the neutral zone because he was one of the only few players who could stick handle through the neutral zone. Well, the rest was history. If Eric would’ve had the same career as Mario or Jagr, he would’ve been one of the great ones. I also blames Flyers management for loading the second and third line players with “muckers and grinders” and not getting another defensemen who could skate through the zone.
There's always someone bigger, or at least as big. ALWAYS skate with your head up. Lindros story reminds me of Forsberg in that they both coulda played so much longer if not for the injuries. mad respect to both the.
Between growing up in Minnesota playing hockey through my sophomore year of college and 30 years in the army with three combat deployments, I can tell you that the more concussions you get, the easier it is to get the next one and they get more severe each time. I had 10 that were diagnosed (two from car wrecks, six from hockey and two from Iraq/Afghanistan) and a brain MRI showed a blackened area in the front left part of my brain. I learned so much from the Army medical personnel and the Fort Riley TBI clinic that I didn't know. These things really change your life. Having said that, you learn early and often in hockey to keep your head up. That's an immensely critical mistake for a player to make, especially entering the other team's zone with the puck.
It wasn't just this hit, it was a bunch a hits and earlier concussions / near concussions that finally caught up with him. Everyone seems to forget too, he used to drop the gloves quite a bit too, I am sure that didn't help matters.
Absolutely. The Scott Stevens hit gets dramatised by the mainstream because it's Scott Stevens (big bruising Canadian HHOF defenceman) but the more serious hit came way earlier courtesy of Darius Kasparaitis. When the Stevens hit happened, as you point out, Lindros had already suffered many concussions and other serious injuries and had already started to decline.
Exactly, lindross showed up as a rookie ready to tear the league a new one and the league took offense to the young punk acting like he was the end all be all of hockey players. Once they saw he couldn't puck handle without staring at his stick like a special needs child watching a Ferris Wheel the players sort of put lindross out of everyone's misery. Lindross was a very hateable person , he impregnated Rod Brindamours wife and when the locker room found out about it the flyers started hating lindross worse than the other teams did. In response the Flyers traded Brindamour to carolina and made Lindross the captain again at which point the flyers players stopped talking to lindross all together. They also stopped inviting him to off season social gatherings because they didn't want him near their wives.
His dad and concussions did the man in. Holding out a season and refusing to play in Quebec. In the end Colorado got a couple Cups off the Lindros haul.
Lindros had always been the biggest kid through his development. He was able to skate with the puck freely. Defenders would see this huge kid skating at them and just get out of the way. That continued into his early NHL career. What Lindros never seemed to learn was that NHL guys don't get out of the way. In fact "keep your head up" was an unwritten rule . Lindros never was able to grasp that. Every so often, he'd pick up the puck and carry it into the neutral zone, cross the attacking blue line only to get nailed . He never learned. Then Scott Stevens came along. KNown as one of the NHL's most devastating checkers, he'd wait until a guy carried the puck laterally into the attack zone, and Stevens would just set himself , well balanced and let the puck carrier skate right into his chest The puck carrier's own momentum would knock him silly. Oh , there were plenty of times when Stevens would add his own forward momentum and trolley track the puck carrier. THIS...was one of those times.
You had to know where no. 4 was on the ice at all times and not play with your head down - you can hate stevens as much as you want but if he was on your team hoisting the cup all would be good.
@@RVRV-mz8yw The Flyers bench cheered the Stevens hit on Lindross because of the way Lindross impregnated his teammate Rod Brindamours wife. The City eventually turned on lindross when flyers management traded Brindamour to alleviate the tension in the locker room over the half lindross half cheating bitch brindamour baby.
Noticeable how important video review is to modern head contact player safety rulings. That Kasparaitas hit looks clean on the first angle, but in the second we see initial head contact. **back in this day, this was 100% clean, didn't matter where initial point of contact was
Principal contact to the head is still clean, unless you clearly target the head or launch yourself. Otherwise players could just skate with their head down and get opponents ejected from every small contact.
@@RoyalMela This is the thing I hate about the NHL these days. I never liked targeting a players head on purpose and always thought it should be a major penatly (ex. Domi's elbow) but if a player skates with their head down and is rocked by a clean shoulder hit to their head, its their own fault. The league has decided to reward players who make fundamentally bad decisions in order to prevent the possibility of a franchise player like Lindross, Crosby, etc. being put out of commission. Its a contact sport, people get hurt.
Been a Flyers fan for a long time. His career was never the same after the Kasparitis hit. Everything snowballed after that hit, including his feud with Clarke and flyers management.
@@Van020280 They should today , that is why hockey ratings are way down. The took the man out of mens sports. The NHL wants to mix women into the rosters I am convinced that is why they are making defense illegal. Modern icecapades hockey sucks.
as a flyers fan, this one hurts. ironcially, my dad was asked by a buddy to go to this game but he didnt because it was my 6th birthday party and my mom would have never let him lived it down if he wasnt there lol.
I was nicknamed lindros in minor hockey. Had 9 concussions before I was 17, before any protocols and mouth guards were still questioned. He’s lucky he at least made a few million to sit on and deal with the side effects
Ended by a dirty hit maybe, but I remember my uncles really did not like Lindros cause he injured many players who were much smaller than him. Think they called it karma and big hitters started targeting him more for that. I was still fan of Lindros, I really wished he had a longer career, he was like an aggressive Lemiux.
Was a 100% clean hit, it’s 100% lindros fault I hate that he got hurt and it basically ended his career but he had a VERY bad habit of skating head down and he paid for it.
Lindros made NO friends among active NHL players with his months long, draft prima donna stunt. So as a big, physical player, he entered the league with a huge self-engraved target on his back. He played with fire, and got burned.
Now do one on Pronger's freak career injury that ushered in a revolving door of horrible trades, signings and draft picks that have ultimately put us out of contention for a decade and still ongoing.
@operatingengineer520 I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Flyers. I watched the game Pronger had his accident, and that's really what sparked the flyers trying to replace him with a myriad of bad ideas. Still paying for it
Pronger had concussion problems throughout the 2000s and 2010s, but special mention goes to an eye injury against Mikhail Grabovski’s Toronto Maple Leafs, before being done in by Martin Hanzal and the Phoenix Coyotes later on
@@leafsfanforever2896 Yes, the eye injury during his Flyers tenure is what I'm referring to which was ultimately the end of his career, and was horrifying to watch. That scream he lets out just deafens the arena and still haunts me tot his day. After which there was a mad dash of spare parts replacements such as Hal Gill, Niklas Grossmann, Evgeni Medvedev, Mark Streit, Michael Del Zotto, Andrew MacDonald, Steve Mason, Dale Weise, Val Filppula, Vinny LeCavallier, Jori Lehtera, Petr Mrazek etc. Draft picks and bad gambles during the Holmgren/Hextall eras that never panned out most notably Sam Morin, also Mark Alt, Jay O'Brien, Isaac Ratcliffe, Mark Friedman, German Rubstov, Mikaehl Vorobyev, Phil Meyers. Complete with the blowing up of the team after a Stanley cup final run for draft capital and prospects leading to the absolute squandering of the prime years of Claude Giroux, Jake Voracek, Scott Laughton, Wayne Simmonds and Sean Couturier.
@@TheWingusI was at that Pronger game, and you're right -- that scream was awful. I was at the Lindros game too. What the videos of that hit never show is the way his stick flew up in the air, end over end, almost as if it were in slow motion, and ultimately landed at the Flyers' blue line.
As a child of the 80s and young man of the 90s, like most folks of that time, I enjoyed the physicality of the NHL. As a youth hockey player myself I also looked forward to finding the biggest guy on the ice and letting him know that “No, you are not going to be left alone.” As a 40-something now with kids, knowing what we now know about concussions, CTE, and brain trauma… I’d advise against my children playing football or hockey if they express interest. Ultimately it is their choice but I now shy away from violence. Hits like Stevens on Lindros were, if not commonplace on any given day in the NHL, certainly not rare. Even ~10 years ago you can find hits like this; the hit on Nate Horton in the Canucks/Bruins Cup Finals come to mind. When I occasionally show my son what the NHL used to “look like” from the mid-80s to early Oughts, it looks like a big car wreck reel. Those hits now make me physically cringe/wince whereas at the time I’d think “solid hit, nice.” Maybe its age, maybe the times are changing, but I’d fear for my child on the ice. That said, when finesse, speed and team cohesion are at their best… there is no better sport to watch than the NHL. God bless all the folks suffering from CTE.
Lindros missed ten weeks due to a series of concussions prior to his return for the Devils game where Stevens nailed him. It all started with Darius Kasparaitis blasting Lindros and giving him a concussion. Once he got that one it was the beginning of the end. Once the brain gets rocked the concussions come easier and easier.
I remember that. Kasper LAID him out. Lindros didn't know what arena he was in,and from a guy literally half his size. Lindros was never the same after that.
Yep, even before clicking on it, I knew it was going to be some younger person telling me this was the hit when it wasn't- there was a long trail leading to this, sadly. But it started long before this one.
that was not the worst one - - Gary Suter got him once much worse - it was the one that really shortened his career . Such a shame too Karyia was such a incredibly skilled player - but back in those days - that meant it was open season on a player. It is hard to believe hockey lasted as long as it did - with Rules that put targets on the back of the most talented - and made guys with little talent be able to open season on them with little impunity - it was so dumb
@pjpredhomme7699 completely disagree. Scott Steven's hit was so hard, he literally stopped breathing.. The damage the Steven's hit caused was much more severe. He had severe memory loss from it and a slight brain bleed.
This was after a bone crushing hit from Kasperitaus of the pens in the late 90s, it happened in game 1 of a back to back game. One in Pittsburgh, next day in Philly (I think)
Lindros played a very physical brand of offensive hockey at a time when the game was in flux from the rough and tumble game of the early 80s to the stickwork/speed of today. He wasn't afforded the whistle like Gretzky because of his size and physical play.
He also didn't have anybody watching over him like a Semenko/McSorley that Gretzky had, he was his own enforcer, the Flyers did nothing to protect him.
@@oasisbeyond Do some homework regarding his selfishness & drop your naive, juvenile bias 🍼 He refused to go to his initial drafted team in both the OHL & NHL…establishing a selfish, punk reputation, negatively influencing others. Ironically, he could dish it out, but couldn’t take it. In the end, his numbers were never even close to the HYPE‼️
@@oasisbeyondwell he has a point though. Lindros was no innocent lamb. He just became a victim more than the villain in the end. He played tough hockey and would crush guys too. But the Steven's hit is what made the reels and because it was Steven's, one of the hardest open ice hitters of that generation or ever, he immediately fell under the same category as Kariya. Just another Stevens victim. They couldn't be further apart in playstyle and physicality.
I feel like this video portrays Scott Stevens in a needlessly negative light. I'm not saying Stevens didn't throw headshots, because he did, everyone did..... but like for this hit... genuinely what else can he do? Lindros is entering the zone leading with his head, which is down. The only other option Stevens has is not hit him and let Lindros past to score.... its a playoff game, thats not happening. Lindros chose to play this game already hurt. Lindros put himself into this vulnerable position with his head down. None of that is on Scott Stevens. Including the part with Kariya makes it seem like Stevens was just a headhunting goon, when he was par for the course of the time, and a former Conn Smythe winner, who was a first ballot Hall of Famer. Also, Lindros' PPG was nowhere near that high. He's in the Top 20 I think, but barely. Personally, I'd have also included the VERY well known rumour of the time that Lindros' first concussion that year actually didn't come from any hit on ice, but from his teammate Rod Brind'Amour kicking his ass in the dressing room for sleeping with his wife lol but I get you wanna stick to the provable facts I suppose.
you should do a video on the complete history of the red wings mainly focusing on the rebuild in the 80's-90's, the downfall in the early 2010's, and the current rebuild.
I’m 6’9”. Over 7’0” on skates and I was a wing because I’m a fast skater but I never had much puck handling skills so I would always skate with my head down. Players would have to try to get to my head though. I was in a game where two players tried to run at me and both got their elbows so high that they both were called for majors. They hardly connected. This was high school. If I were in the NHL I’d be Lindrosed out of there in my first game
I always thought Lindros played and skated like he did because of his size, speed and weight. I think it was a miracle he did not get hurt sooner. Sad story for sure and not my type of hockey, but it happens and it probably will keep happening.
True soldier that guy. I've had multiple concussions in my life. When you have one it feels like your under water and things don't feel or seem real. Eric got destroyed while playing and to come back after a few days is truly amazing. I also met his brother Brett when I worked for a paint store.
@@BlackHatAndy literally? Like literally literally? Mfers out there like Saddam Hussain during this time but a physical hockey player is literally the scum of the Earth? 1st world perspective problems. Lay down lindros, your concussions are showing.
Lindros certainly did the Nords a favor. The Nords got the core of the Philly franchise, and Philly got a player good enough for a single Hart Trophy season.
I saw these games live. The Lindros hit was so wow!! I knew it was disastrous. The Karita goal after being knocked out was triumphant. So wild to see it as it happened before it became hockey history.
The 1996 NHL Eastern Conference Quarter-Finals was the start of teams pushing back on Lindros. Game 1, he was a brutal physical force. Game 2, Igor Ulanov was tasked by the Lightning to take it to Lindros every shift... and there was two hip checks that sent Lindros somersaulting through the air. After that game, Lindros cried to the league about protecting its superstars. At that point, every team knew that Lindos would bring violent physical hits and so they targeted him with the same. It's been some time, but that's my memory of Lindros.
I will never forget that game. I knew it was this before I even clicked. I was a Scott Stevens fan as a kid and this game was insane. Didn’t know he had suffered so many prior concussions then. So negligent of the flyers and sad.
This was a horrible situation from everyone start to finish. Eric’s parents babying him, Eric skating with his head down, the Flyers damn near getting him killed on the ice
@@maxaffe3195 If you have heard of "Stage Moms" and how they destroy kids by pushing them into acting to support the family you basically have the Lindross clan but with hockey.
His mother told him not to play in QC after the owner joked to his colleagues in French about his mom… and by joked, I mean made a sexually explicit comment because he thought she didn’t know French… the guy was the Harvey Weinstein of hockey and everyone knew he was problematic
I was alive, and a hockey fan, and I followed Eric back in the day. We knew enough about concussions to know he kept coming back too early. His docs told him to take 2 years off after his first diagnosis or he would become concussion prone, and suffer worse health issues. I don't remember what year, but it was early on. And his dad was taking him to doctors on the side but it seemed like he was trying to get Eric back on the ice despite his own private doctor's warnings. Each time he got hurt everyone saw it coming, so when the Ranger's signed him fans were furious. And like Messier is quoted, as a Ranger he would get shook up from simple shots he dealt, nevermind the shots he took. It's unfortunate what happened to Eric, but at least his story is taken seriously today so current players can have a safer journey.
This is an excellent recap. I went down a Lindros rabbit hole. Despite following hockey during his career, I vaguely remembered Lindros as a disappointment. I guess he was if you look only at net output (rings, # of years as a premier player). But i forgot how absolutely dominant he was for several years. Unfortunate it ended that way. Hopefully the concussions don't affect him down the road. Glad he made the HOF now.
Scott Stevens laid some absolute bombs, now the league is so different his hits would be illegal. After Savard lost his career over a hit like that I'm glad the league woke up.
I stopped watching hockey years ago but its watching talent leave the game due to savage hits which really turns me off. Winning means taking out the other guy.
I can think of anybody who liked Lindros, and her seemed like a pompous ass. With that said, he didn’t get the same star protection offered to Gretzky, Crosby, etc, and the Flyers were eager to get him back in to play, to earn his money and prove that trading away half their team was worth it. They mishandled him badly. He may have had a long career if he had just went to the Nordiques…
Yep. For all his wondrous talent, Lindros was also a hard hitter, and more often than not he would hit one of the smallest players on the opposition. It's a shame his career was cut short by injury, but it's hard for me to feel sorry for him.
@@tomaseriksson6338 Not offended at all. It was a serious question. Who were all the many great players, whose career he destroyed? If you only can answer like a 8-year old with emojis, dont bother.
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I liked Theo fleurys explanation that the reason why lindros never skated with his head up was because he grew up being the biggest and strongest person on the ice until he got into the NHL, so he's never had to keep his head on a swivel
that makes sense, theo is smaller than me, yet excelled at a game where 250lbs monstes are cruising around at high speeds
he s skating with dude like scot stenens a probert, boruqe, try to avoid them lol
Yea that definitely makes sense. B4 the NHL nobody could even move him no matter if he was perfectly balanced or not.
@@hibbidyjibbidyyyea ur right. Theo was small...I always looked up to guys that size because I'm small. Remember Sergei Samsonov? Boston Bruins...that man was tiny
I'm 6 ft and too heavy, but when you play against somebody that has his size, and he skates faster than you can, you've never heard that sound on that ice
I lived in Philly during the Lindros era. The organization and its medical staff completely ruined this man. Those people were totally incompetent.
BS - He was a whiner extraordinaire and his parents were no better. He was a kid, treated like he was a jewel by his parents and he thought that he should be counted as a diamond.
That's not true. They didn't know the extent of head injuries. But other teams were told to aim for his head to take him out of the game. And the NHL backed it all.
I honestly think that if you do something dirty that ends a player's career, the punishment should be, banishment from the league. Not fines or a few games out. That's nothing to these guys. You need to hit them where it actually hurts. Hell, some of these dirt balls will do something dirty just to get some time off. (half joking).
@@woudytreez2755he was a literal first overall pick and a generational talent. He was a diamond..
Lindros and his Brother , Brett both had multiple concussion through their respective careers. Brett had I think seven. He was told by his doctors he HAD to quit hockey. Or the next concussion could leave him permanently disabled. Eric was pretty much in the same boat. I think both brothers may have had a genetic propensity to be concussed from contact.
@@patersonplankrd Maybe. But Eric was fine until he got to the NHL when people started targeting his head every chance they got.
I remember those days. He was 100% ended out of poor-sportsmanship and malice. He was too good. And he was going to break records. The NHL hated him for choosing to basically hijack the draft and basically chose where he wanted to play instead of doing the right thing. If they would've just gotten over it, he would have scoring records for sure. He had the hands of Gretzky the size of Mario and was tougher than most of the enforcers in the league. They hated him so they allowed his career to be ended. The refs let other teams assault him all the time.
But when Crosby would hit someone from behind or slew-foot them, they would get a penalty instead of Crosby.
The real dirty hit in this video is at 2:55. Hold stick and use as a slingshot to ram your head as an uppercut into an opponents chin behind the play? Stevens never forgot that hit, and he paid it back. Agreed that in todays NHL its probably a penalty, but not back then. Feet on the ice and shoulder checks, no matter where they land, were legal.
He did give Lindros some pushback, and yes, this DOES fall on the Flyers and Eric Lindros. The Flyers fans can deny it and scream to the high heavens that it's all Scott Stevens' fault, but evidently, no.
@@chaoticjerseyyes there are many similar stories in the older days of the NFL. It was a different game and time before we understood brain injuries. Revisionism is heavy with Scott Stevens. He was just a bad ass mother fucker. So was Jack Tatum in the early years of the NFL. Literally shattered a guys helmet with a hit.
Headbutt by Lindros.
Shoulder hit on puck carrier w head down by Stevens.
I have been hit like that, my fault for having my head down, not other guy’s penalty for not getting his shoulder out of the way of my lowered head.
Lindros was big, aggressive and cocky, abusing plenty of others. Kasparitis was smaller. Stevens was smaller.
@@chaoticjersey Well, it certainly falls somewhat on Stevens. Lindros got told time and time again to not keep his head down and yet... So quite a bit of the blame falls on him for not actually trying to protect himself, but launching yourself at high speed at another person's head is a bit much.
There's rivalry and then there's targeting for injury.
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He almost certainly had more concussions than the official injury record. Opposing players would launch at him from the other side of the ice on a regular basis to try to take him out and usually bounce off, but those kinds of jarring hits can give concussions too. He probably played so many stretches of games concussed that it became the new normal for him.
He never learned to keep head up as he was so big so early. He had trouble when playing against equal size men.
so tired of hearing the blanket keep head up, EVERYBODY looks down at some point, when you have master predator like Stevens who specifically picked his moments based on when the opponent was looking away, you're going to catch guys hard. i still don't get how tough guys are thought of as tough guys when really all they're doing is looking for blind spots rather than going eye to eye with guys. oh and the whole triple teaming... it takes such a real hard man to come in as the 3rd guy on a player that's already under double coverage. SO tough and hardcore.
@@ChrisEightyNine minor hockey coaches repeat 8 year olds all the time to keep their heads up. It's not only because of the dirty hits, it's just basic hockey IQ. In the end that's what separated the all time greats from Lindros, his lack of awareness on the ice. There were a lot of hard hitters like Stevens back in the days (Konstantinov, Hatcher, Neely, Kasparitis, etc..) AND the dead puck/neutral zone trap era made it even more important to keep the head up and be aware of your surroundings. You may be tired of hearing it but it is what it is, he played himself in the end and it was not just because of Stevens.
@@robrosborough2553 Okay. If I see you on the street and you have your head down, it's totally okay for me to hit you in the face for no reason? That's your logic.
when you have your head down whils cruising center ice, while scott stevens is around.....look the fuck out
crazy how if concussions didn't play such a big role in many players careers that some of them could still be playing or just recently be retiring
Indeed. Remember ten years ago when Crosby had multiple concussions and there were lot of concern that his career might end prematurely? Thankfully that didn't happen.
All injuries are like that somewhat... Knees, shoulders...
@@SlidezyI don’t think you realize the point of how much more impactful head injuries are that there’s no reason to compare them.
Also, just imagine how many hobby/amateur/junior league players could have been somebody if not for racking up concussions.
@@Slidezy True. They used to say it was less dirty to go high than to go after the knees. Neely's and Orr's career were both ended by knee on knee hits.
Crazy how they use to say a player “had his bell rung” and would often send him back in after a brief rest. Concussions often have lifetime consequences. Glad professional sports have finally understood how serious they can be.
At some point the NHL is going to realize that if a frozen rubber puck hits you in the face it's a concussion and face protection should be mandatory.
It was all sports at the time, but it wasnt just sports, it was the medical community too... The medical community just did not have enough advancement in Brain injury yet. The problem was they did not realize the long-term devastation concussions have and just how serious they actually are. This is why even after brutal concussions, players would play 1-2 days later... Even now, with Tua, who has had like 4 concussions, and 2 super serious ones, he is only missing like 1-2 months of play. Its kinda crazy. But in Tua's case, him, his family and everyone knows the risks and consequences. I feel like, it is your choice at that point. Him and his family know full well what can happen and the serious ramifications. If I was the NFL, I would make him sign paperwork to negate any liability at this point. All sports have serious health risks weather physically or neurologically. At the end of the day, the person and their family need to do what they think is best for them. If taking on the risks is what they choose, that is their choice.
I had my "bell rung" in 8th grade football -- a knee to my head -- and didn't even leave the game, or think about it. Regret that.
@davidappell3105 why would you regret playing a sport? Everyone plays injured at 1 point or another. Get over it man. 🙄
@@JonHop1 - Read more carefully. I regret getting a concussion without taking any time off.
I was watching a lot of hockey during this time period. given what we know about concussions now, it's like they did everything WRONG . The worst thing is that it's not over. Concussions, especially repeated ones can have serious life long consequences especially when you get older with dementia etc . I hope he's going to be okay, even though I was obligated to hate him at the time (Penguins fan)
I remember at the time saying that Lindros shouldn't be playing. And that was given how much less seriously we took concussions.
yyou had lemioux and brouq ad jager, stop complainin, but yea, i hear you
imagine jarmi jager is the 2nd best player on the team. wtf
and our defenceman scares eveyoiune away froom the net, and scores a shit tonne of goals
@@hibbidyjibbidyywhat are you even saying? Are you speaking english?
Lindros and Kariya weren’t the only ones. Pat Lafontaine was being described as the greatest American born player in NHL history when concussions took him out of the game in the early to mid 90s. The Panthers had a gem of a player in David Booth in the early 20-teens whose fearless and hard working play made him a perennial 20-30 goal scorer until an open ice blindside hit to the head by Mike Richards (who never even got suspended for it as I recall) ended one season early and he was never able to return to form after. For two decades the league turned a blind eye to these dirty hits that were taking out their star players while mystifyingly cracking down on enforcers (the guys whose job it was to make other teams not want to play dirty because they’d become targets) and then complaining about scoring being down.
They still turn a blind eye to it because of the Canadian way eh?
la la la la la la LaaaaaFontaine.... still one of the greatest calls ever made. Dude was a stud
Don’t forget Steven’s also retired because of concussions as well.
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Yeah, the way that the NHL handled this was really incompetent. Back in the 80s and 90s, guys like Wayne Gretzky and Steve Yzerman (their physical stats are near identical, 5'11" and 185 lbs) could have a full career. Moving into the 2000s, it got so that a guy had to be built like an NFL linebacker to even hope to survive. I quit watching the game because of the BS going on with that. The cheap-shot artists had free reign, it just became too stupid to watch.
Absolutely mind boggling watching this in 2024. Can’t wrap my head around the way concussions and head trauma were so mystified back then. You would think that throughout our years as humans we would’ve put tons of research into the ways repeated head impacts can contribute to our overall decline in health and long-term disability. Glad that we are more up to speed now, but incredibly interesting to learn that less than 25 years ago we barely had a handle on what the ramifications of a concussion could be.
Our parents were retarded.
Well it wasn’t too long before the 2000’s that they even had computers and images that could detect brain injury. 100 years ago they woulda had to cut into living peoples skulls to figure out what was going on.
a lot of money in not figuring it out. Thats why the NFL now has an official stance on TBI of "We're looking into it"
They arent. And dont. And never will.
Lol pretty naive, aren't you
That goal from Kariya after the Stevens hit is ICONIC! Kariya and Lindros were 2 of my favorite NON Red Wings players.
I was at UMaine when Kariya was there, he was obviously NHL level talent even then.
Scotty Three Cups hit in Devs sweep over Red Wings was iconic
Two candy asses
The crazy part is that Kariya doesn’t even remember that goal, game 7 or the following week after
Red Wings fan and I loved Paul Kariya.
The craziest thing is he did that scoring pace during the dead puck era.
It was called the "Clutch and Grab" era... Don't be anti-semantic!
@@v4v819 lmfao 🤡
Not really crazy but ok
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5:43 finally getting to the title of the video
I remember when he got drafted by the Nordiques. He refused to sign with the team supposedly because of the distance, lack of marketing potential, and having to speak French. Everybody got pissed at him when he left Quebec for Philadelphie. We didn't know at the time that it was because his mother had had ''advances'' by the then owner Marcel Aubut. He lied to protect his mom while enduring all the hate.
Id like to say that he should have reported it, but the truth is if he did, Aubut would have to sell the Nordiques earlier. In the end, Lindros may have tried to save the team by refusing to sign
That is very interesting. See, everyone draws conclusions when they don't know the whole truth. That makes me respect and feel for Lindros even more now. That's a selfless, standup guy and at a young age.
He also refused to sign with the Soo Greyhounds. He was the NHL's first primma Donna
As a native Flyers fan, I’m a huge Lindros fan and is by far, my favorite player. I wish nothing but the best for Eric and his family. Miss you wearing black and orange!
Imagine the opponent landing a dirty head shot on a player and then blame the player for it
As a former football and hockey player, I am going to go out on a limb and say those were not his first concussions. Any time your head hits the ice, glass, other helmets, and/or fists, that is a tiny concussion that builds into serious, long term, brain injuries.
This year QMJHL 19-year-old player Lane Hinkley (who played for the Charlottetown Islanders) retired from hockey altogether. He said": “Too many hits, too many punches, too many concussions that I didn’t properly heal from. The doctor said my MRI showed there was a 25mm by 17mm lesion on my brain… Currently, I am at risk for CTE and early dementia.” I just wonder how many other junior players are at high risk of CTE/dementia
@@bufnyfan1 Sadly, all of them.
@christopherwood8760 unless a guy has been a couch potatoe his ehole young life, pretty much all young men have had dozens of small concussions and a handful of legitimate ones simply from bike crashes and accidental headbutts from wrestling around. If you've played a contact sport in hs, you've had a dozen concussions
@@timharper4246
Somehow that's not very comforting, even if true which it could be.
When a medical team was studying a team of soccer players
to record concussions and were getting frustrated because
none of the players were having major blows to the head
the medical team decided to see what the impact of
players repeatedly heading the ball in practice was
and found that just that activity was enough to cause
"mini" concussions.
I believe that one of Bill Masterson's teammates said that they thought
that he died not just because of a blow to the head in a game
but because he had suffered a bigger blow to the head
shortly before in a team practice.
I would think that a lot of boxers who die in the ring
die not just because of one hit or even one fight
but because of all the hits they have taken
in other fights.
What a great video. From what I read the Philly staff told him to get back to Philadelphia via plane when he sufferet the collapsed lung, which could lead to disaster. It is absolutely crazy how incompetent they were back then.
Lindros delighted in destroying much smaller players when they were going back to touch the puck on an icing call. This was one of the most vulnerable positions a player could be in before the no-touch icing rule was introduced. Lindros always took that hit and usually put the smaller players' head into the boards right at whistle. This was the main reason the entire NHL was gunning for him. Put this together with his habit of watching himself skate and it was only a matter of time.
Yeah... he had a habit of hitting players with their backs turned and finishing checks well after defensemen got rid of the puck. So, when he'd cross that blue line with his head down, I'm sure there were a lot of defensemen saying payback's a b****.
Much smaller? How tiny are hockey players? Lulz…6’4 240 isn’t even that big. Did they even train?
@@famousmortimer7933lindros was bigger than most of the other guys on the ice. That’s fact. He bullied a lot of guys, lots of cheap hits, he got his. Karma…
@famousmortimer7933 You just won the internet for the stupidest comment ever.
6'4" 240, is not small, especially when you're extremely fit. These guys train all day and are on skates which means you're moving at very high speed at a solid 240.
New boards move, the old ones didn't, the pads help but when a guy is skating at 30mph and hits a guy going 20mph, shit happens.
NHL is the toughest sport on the planet.
Finally! A comment that paints Lindros as the scum that he was. I hated that guy. He loved hurting other players.
As is mentioned in the video, when you play as hard as Lindros was doing, opposing teams will not be easy on you. It was also an era when hockey was as much about dominating physically as puck control.
I have limited sympathy, he wasn't shy about dishing it out. In fact, I'm wondering how many concussions he dealt out to others that nobody is sat here crying about because their name aint Lindros. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Thats hockey.
Mm och Philadelphia bytte bort Forsberg mot den där jättebabyn, inte så smart...
@@stevebell4853 in the first few minutes of the video it shows Lindros head butting a dude.
Pat LaFontaine was a similar case. He suffered I believe 8 concussions in his career with the Islanders, and then the Rangers acquired him from Buffalo. I don't remember specifically who put the hit on him, but someone laid him out on the ice rendering LaFontaine unconscious. Watching it unfold on television I immediately thought the worst.
I played with him in the early years (pre NHL, we grew up in the same area) and just a few weeks ago, my g/f bought a car off of one of their families car dealerships. I wasn't close friends with him, but we knew a lot of the same people and I was tempted to ask how he was doing when we there a few weeks ago, but it just seemed inappropriate. I remember hearing stories about he was so depressed from the concussions, he would literally not get out of bed for days, coudlnt remember things. It sounded awful.
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8 concussions that we know of. Back then you were just told to shake it off.
@@kevinmach730 Shame... Even worse is the story of Derek Boogaard who's concussion symptoms drove him to heavy oxy reliance and eventually, suicide.
@@kopkid203 I saw that story not long ago in a video, it was terrible.
The fact he still had a hall of fame career with all his injuries shows how special he was. Just imagine if he was healthy his whole career
Should’ve learned to never skate with his head down and he would’ve been a legend
The biggest explanation for why Lindros had the habit of skating with his head down mostly comes from him being bigger than most of the others in the OHL that they usually just bounced off him.
Yes!!!!!
I've been saying that for years.
The extra year he spent there really hurt him because it kept him with his bad habit of playing that way.
I cant jive with that.
He's big, sure, but the OHL has plenty of big dudes in it.
He'd be encountering a whole lot of guys that wouldn't just bounce off him.
It might just be a bad habit.
He thought he could bull his way through everything.
He had a target on him
@hhiippiittyy they have them, but they aren't on that kind of level. They likely didn't make the cut and stopped shortly after regardless. They likely couldn't touch him due to speed , skill, and him still able to out power
100% - Insert, Scott Stevens
I still say that he developed that habit as he grew up in hocky. Being the biggest and best at lower levels meant that he wasn't risking as much as the smaller players would bounce off him at those levels. Then when he got to the NHL where he was now playing against players who were closer in ability and size it became a risk but by then he had already fully developed the habit of not being afraid to have his head down that much. Just a hypothesis at least.
You’re absolutely right he developed that habit at an early age because he was always so big and never completely got out of it and that is what ruined his career
No. It was a cheap shot targeting
That is absolutely crazy that he was allowed to return after missing just 2 games. Goes against just about all the knowledge we have about concussions and head injuries now.
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I remember watching this game live. He actually had an extremely decent season after this with the Rangers, going 37-36-73 for more than a point a game in 72 contests... But after that the concussions caught up to him, same as his lesser known brother.
The flyers were up in this series 3-1. After that hit you just knew the Devil's were winning this game
Ngl I’m only 17 so I didn’t even know he had a brother but I saw looked his stats and in junior he was pretty good and in the NHL the points don’t stand out but his pims do so u know what he was on the floor for
@@Babydinomelllthe points don’t tell the story because he was injured so much. He averaged 1.33 PPG that should stand out to you. Growing up a young hockey fan in the 90s, Lindros was my absolute favorite player. I been a Bruins fan my whole life but watching Lindros play was similar to watching Kobe. Even if he didn’t play for your team, watching him play was an experience in itself. He was unlike any other player in the league. He had the size to devastate and the speed and skills to snipe incredible goals. His game was a lot like Ovechkin, not quite the offensive skills, but much more physical. He was like a created player on a NHL video game that had 99 for shooting and 99 for hitting.
@@zx10rgofast oh I wasn’t talking bout Eric I meant his brothers
@@Babydinomelll as an Islander fan I can tell you, dont bothor trying to look up any Brett Lindros highlight reels as none exist
Jeff Beukeboom was one of my favorite players growing up. He was a powerful enforcer, but always hit clean. He'd knock you right out of your pads, but it would be a legal hit every time.
His career was ended on a cheap shot... Just sad.
Thing is, Scott Stevens' hits were legal too. But they still caused concussions, maybe intentionally. Legality is not the question here.
You come across the ice wth your head down you'll regret it every time
@@jamesrempel8522💯
Fun fact is that Beukenboom is Dutch for beech tree but beuken as a verb means to bash. In other words those players got bashed by a tree 😂
As a child Cam Neely was my guy he got taken out by a cheap shot also. Then he came back for 50 goals in 50 games. But he was hurt again.
I grew up watching the flyers, lindros was really the reason i got into hockey.
The concussions, the bad medical staff, the fights with management, it was all just too much.
Oh what could have been
Same man. That 97series against NY made me a fan
My father was the Flyer fan. But Lindros just himself almost made me a Flyer fan. If Lindros was given the Crosby treatment when he got his. I truly believe in 2000-2005 the Flyers win two. It wasn't until 97 that he truly started to have the pieces around him. Once you guys got Reechi back and moved on from Hextall. The Flyers had great d B+ goal tending and more then the legion of doom. Roenick in 2001 would of gave you guys three scary lines for any team to face. Plug in a healthy Lindros from 2000-2005. The Avs or Wings wouldn't be deep enough to beat them.
@TheMrTwizter Nice seeing you over here👍And don’t forget to add to your list of the obvious Scott Stevens head hunting tendencies! ( He absolutely targeted Lindros to take him out of a game 7 )
@phillyghost1256 it's funny, I see you on every flyers comment section 🤣. And yes, Scott Steven's is a war criminal
@@TheMrTwizter I’m all for tough & rough hockey Honorable battles between individual players and teams but I cannot respect the tactics of one Scott Stevens who was a weasel as he took advantage of many many players in a vulnerable situations to lower the boom…he’s a Punk A** player in my book! LOL just last night I was watching The Flyer fights of the teams from the mid “1980’s the Tocchet & Brown era and Scott Stevens was a weasel back then! ( you get around also!😂 ) see you on the next Chris show🏒👋
My ex wife's friend was a fillipina housekeeper for Eric back in the early 2000s. She told me he was a quiet guy, but often had a ton of hockey friends over whenever they were in town to play the Leafs. She would often giggle at the amounts of booze and women that paraded through, Kool
Dude your videos have always been really good but the ones you made this off-season are off the charts man. You've really stepped it up and we absolutely love to see it 💯
Thanks for watching!
I’ve been coaching youth hockey going on forty years now. The most important thing you can teach players is to skate with their heads up at ALL times! Eric Lindross was so big and strong that he got away with skating with his head down at every level EXCEPT the NHL. Hope he’s doing alright now.
He's doing good. He's married has three kids two boys and a girl and he coaches youth hockey. He, his wife and his kids were at several Flyers games last season and he was at Citizens Bank Park with his family to see the Phillies in the World Series last year. He's still a big presence in the Philadelphia area community.
@@patriciawatson-roberts81573That's so cool that he stayed in Philly after all this time. That means he really loved playing for that city.
Seen this at 999k views hoped to be the millionth but I’ll come back soon, congrats on your first million view vid you have an intriguing style of making content
The flyers ruined Lindros. Team Doctors covering it up to make him play while outside doctors say he can't play, a big scandal. I'll never forget the hit.
As a Flyers fan, I hate to agree with this, but it is totally true. And the thing is, the team made him out to be a villain in all of this. There were sections of the fanbase that hated Lindros because they thought that he was weak because of all of these concussions. Meanwhile himself and another former Flyer who had career ending concussion issues, Keith Primeau, are pioneers in leading the charge for the current concussion protocols in the league. The Flyers organization of the early 2000's just look like total monsters in hindsight.
@@KevinniveK2112 This is one of the biggest reasons I can't root for Philly teams, fans totally bought into the narrative & turned on him on a dime, it was so frustrating. It wasn't just Snyder that drove him outta town, the media gassed up the vehicle & the fans helped push.
@@chizorama I hear you and totally understand. It's hard to defend for sure. It doesn't help that there was a clear conflict of interest with the fact that the only sports radio station in the city at the time was basically owned by the team. The team had total control over the message and the players were more anonymous for better or for worse. In this age of social media and instant information this has really been turned on its head. Not saying the fans aren' t susceptible to this still, though.
@@KevinniveK2112 Yeah WIP really put the kabash on some careers.
@@KevinniveK2112 yeah it's unfortunate but social justice movements can be powerful tools and the team used it - it's easy to look back and point fingers at the fans but most of them did not have all the facts
We were season ticket holders and my friend was sitting behind the Flyers goal . Her face says it all . Scott Stevens was at that time one of the best defensemen. The definition of "never skate with your head down" Lindros play made us all stand whenever he got the puck. It was an unforgetable time as a Flyers fan . The 4-0 sweep by Detroit was sad. My heart hurts seeing this video and it is an excellent documentary. I also for the record remember the Flyers were on a role and doing fine without Eric playing and the sudden insertion of him in this game kinda blew the season most likely. Thank you for this.
Scott Stevens was nothing but a cheap shot player...........He was just out to injury players coming into the zone.........
@@bonzo20122that was hockey buttercup
@@Plague073no that was blatant disregard for the health of anyone else. If the dude played today he'd he wouldn't have made it past the AHL and been suspended 10+ times.
@@zachmontminy but he didn't play today.
@@Plague073so it’s ok to want to end someones career and cause them health issues just because “they didn’t play in todays hockey?”
I'm from the UK and I know next to nothing about hockey, but this was a well explained video that I found engaging. Has Eric Lindros remained healthy since his retirement? I ask because many rugby players from Europe have suffered debilitating effects from sustaining high levels of concussions in the early 2000's. I am glad to see both games taking the issue seriously.
I couldn't find anything on Eric Lindros' post-retirement health. I do remember Eric's younger brother Brett Lindros going high in the NHL draft, and then playing all of two seasons for the New York Islanders before retiring due to concussion issues.
what a great vid!! we see this story many times ,but your breakdown is amazing ,nobody have ever done this way.great job!why can't you work for the NHL network!!?
wow are you 5 years old
I went to a stick handling camp a few times as a kid. One of the biggest things they stressed was *don’t skate with your head down* . A puck on the toe of the stick feels completely different than when it’s on the heel. They tried teaching us to know where the puck was by feel, not sight.
Even with this training, I’d still catch myself with my head down on occasion. It’s a tough habit to break, kids should learn to skate heads up as soon as possible.
And don't elbow people in the head. There is a reason hits like that are outlawed.
I never had formal training. HOwever, I watched a lot of NHL. Also had books written by NHL greats. One such book was by Bobby Orr. Simply entitled "4"....Most of the content was a 'how to' of hockey.
That book taught me tons.
Lindros headbutted the beast and the beast won total payback for lindros headbutting him
@@randyoney8793 they definitely trading blows over their careers, I enjoyed watching them.
I remember doing the same type of camp. Our coach also had some guys come in and help us a bit before we went to our first full contact tournament, and the following summer I did a camp in August... My problem was also skating with my head down too often. I was very fast for my height and could handle the puck quite well, but I often had my head down when I was trying to get fancy. I was always on the average to short side but fairly heavy compared to all the skinny lanky kids. I had many instances where kids would try to hit me and kinda just bounce off so I kept playing with my head down way too often. I did get caught a couple times and got rocked pretty good once the taller kids weren't as lanky as they used to be. Its a shame, but you really do need to be at least 5'10 - 5'11 to have a real shot at making it to the next level. The scouts are always obsessed with size and will often take a bigger, slightly less skilled player over the smaller, faster, higher skilled player.
"The Hit That Literally Ruined A Man's Career, but first 6 minutes worth of history that no one cares about before the clip" Fixed that title for you.
Lindros was my uncle Chris favorite player. Had his jersey and watched every game that was showed on tv. That mid to late 90s era of hockey was phenomenal! Take good care of yourself, EL.
90's hockey was the best hockey era and NBA too. Hell maybe even the NFL? It's amazing to think how many amazing players the 90's produced and in a time that still had a good balance of physical play and scoring.
That era of hockey sucked. All clutching and grabbing and neutral zone trapping. There was actually a book written at the time titled The Death Of Hockey, that all about how mid to late nineties era hockey was ruining the NHL.
@@ronfroehlich4697 and you read the book and basing your stupid statement from that? Your saying an era with Yagr, Federov, Modano, Kariya, Selaane, Sakic, Forsberg, Chelios, Lemiux, Yzerman, and so many others (along with the Red Wings vs Avalanche matches) sucked? Please video yourself telling these HOFers that their era sucks.
@@mizrahimjew9351 There were some true all-time greats playing in that era but hockey in the mid and late nineties was boring compared to the fire wagon style of previous eras. Again, way too much clutching and grabbing, way too much neutral zone trapping; that was when goalies equipment really started to balloon in size, there were too many low scoring games. Also, Mario Lemieux came from the 80's and retired prematurely (1997) because of how bad hockey sucked in the mid to late nineties.
Now I feel like I know your Uncle. Cool.
My favourite player. That was the hit that ended his career but he had been horribly miss managed by the flyers, his parents were right to speak up at the time and the man just couldn’t say no to lacing the skates up.
Maybe they were but his parents also stunted his mental development and professional independence being overly involved in his career starting by the Quebec Nordiques situation. But I get your point
Lmao his parents were divas who treated the team like a vessel for their son, with no regard or respect for the team and dynamics within it..
Clarke was right to tell them to blow it out their ass, there’s no room for princesses on the Flyers
@@XxCorvette1xXI won't disagree that his parents needed to stay out of his business. There over involvement ruined realtionships. Defenitly took advantage of there own son as his agent. But if you think for one second the Flyers and Clarke handled any of his injuries correctly. They literally almost killed him in 99. If it wasn't for his roommate forcing him to go to the emergency room to find out he was internally bleeding he would of died. LeClair himself openly said they forced Lindros to play against the Devils. Stripped him of his C on live tv. He suited up for his teammates. Treated every concussion like it was a headache. He had like 4 or 5 in less then 5 months something like that. That Stevens hit if he was a lesser man could of killed him. He litterly still had one. Your Flyers win one with Lindros possibly two had they let him heal. 97/98 is when they started to get the pieces they gave away to get him. Acquiring Reechi back with LeClair was almost enough. Hextall was your weak link then. But as soon the Flyers moved on from him you finally had goalies good enough to win playoff games. But 2000 you win line one healthy Lindros,LeClaiir,Reechi. Line two Primeau,Gange,Tocchet/Williams. First time in Lindros career the Flyers would be two lines deep. With great D and B+/A- goal tending. You also get Jermey in 01 which would of made you guys deeper then the Wings.
Why did they strip him of his captaincy? Because he was giving it to Rod Brindamoors wife and Rod tried to beat his ass in the locker room. So they traded Rod
I've never followed hockey, but I've always appreciated what it takes to play that game at a high level. Hockey's brutal
I remember watching him play jr for the generals when they came through north bay. He was amazing... skilled and genuinely invincible on the ice. Everyone knew his head was down, even as a kid I would point it out but even big d men like Darrien Hatcher couldn't seem to catch him clean when he got a head of steam. Obviously that changed in the NHL. It was sad to see his career fizzle this way (even for a pens fan) but I am glad to hear he has been feeling well and doing such great charity work post career. All the best to Big E
Yes, exactly. I saw him play at the World Juniors in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. As you said, he was absolutely dominant, but his head was ALWAYS down as he carried the puck. Once he reached the NHL, where EVERYONE is phenomenal and rugged, his days were numbered. Despite such, I always enjoyed #88.
he was overrated
Poor guy
he sucked at hockey, r e t a r d
@stephenedgecock u need professional help
I'd argue that Lindros headbutting Stevens a few years earlier was his biggest mistake. It certainly played a huge part in Stevens hunting him.
Nah, Stevens is a dirty player. He should have been kicked out of the league.
@@sharinglungs3226 Still lot's of people liked his toughness
Stevens can suck it.
@Tony-Gunk Stevens apparently was involved in a rape that got covered up. Oh and he hit dudes that weren't looking. REAL tough.
@@sharinglungs3226yeah that was fucked, those hits coulda killed someone. Hard for me to understand doing that
ive always felt that the whole lindros thing was a cumulative failure of all of his coaches throughout his career. he played his minor/junior career during the whole keep your head up at all times and because he outsized his opponents he never had to adapt. its tragic but ultimately its on both him and his coaches, and IMHO the league overcorrected because players were leading with their heads. you would NEVER see players in the 80's cross center ice with their head down because you'd get killed, hell even gretz the one time he did it got blown up.
All facts here, I played in the 80s and noo way geeting caught with head down coming up the middle. I say the same thing because of his size he did not have to adapt yup and it produced a terrible habbit that cost him no doubt
I remember watching that game. I thought he was done after that and he was, though I didn't think he would linger so long trying to play. He just had a bad habit of keeping his head down, and against a D like Stevens who loved to come laterally across his zone just inside the blue line, it was just a recipe for disaster!! Stevens was a devastating checker!! You didn't want to be head down with him prowling that blue line!
I remember watching the Stevens hit live and thinking that I just saw someone die in a hockey game.
I saw that game too.
I also saw "The Fight That Changed Boxing Forever: Ray Mancini vs Duk Koo Kim" live on TV.
RIP Duk Koo .
i was a kid and watched every game that season. when lindros finally came back i was so excited. and when he got taken out by stevens, i was heartbroken! i remember that game so well.
I thought it was great ! Get rid of that snob who was way over-rated.
hahaha typical tooter 🤣 How is Stacy doing?? @@47tooter
@@47tooter just had a huge bottle of Haterade?
47tooter, youre a soap dropper
@@TheSkunownaw lindros a bum
As a Red Wings fan who watched them in the mid to late 90s to now, we definitely feared Lindros and respected the hell out of him even though we didn’t like Philly too much. Love ya Philly 🧹
Ohhh he talked about it too, lol my bad I commented that before he even brought the sweep up.
That hit that Konstantinov laid on him in the finals was certainly his first major concussion. I didn't think he was ever the same after those finals and Vlad was the primary reason.
@@insigbabl Well, you’re probably right. And even though I love Vladdy (I literally had a dog named after him called Vladdy) he got his own karma in a worse way, sadly. But yea, you’re right.
As an Avs fan I liked Lindros for entirely different reasons. So much talent gathered through all the picks, players and cash that was garnered in the trade to Philly.
I was the same way. Huge Red Wings fan as a kid, but absolutely loved Lindros and Adam Foote. You don't have to dislike the players, just the team.
Coach: "get your revenge on the scoreboard!"
Paul Kariya: 👉🏼 8:20
At the time I hated Lindros because I thought he was a baby for not playing for Quebec. In recent years I've been horrified to learn about his concussions and how they impacted him. I almost couldn't watch this video. Great job on the video, BTW. It made a compelling statement about concussions and how they were poorly handled.
The Lindros trade set off a series of events that lead to the Av's winning two Cup and greatest team fight ever.
In the trade the Nordiques got Forsberg and Ricci and two first round picks. One they drafted Thibault and then traded him to the Canadians for Roy. The second pick they flipped for Wendel Clark who was traded for Claude Lemieux.
Lemieux was instrumental to the 1995 Devils Cup (playoff MVP) and the 1996 Av's cup, and then buried Chris Draper into the boards which lead to the Red Wings Av's team brawl.
He was later traded back to the Devils for Brian Rolston who was traded for Ray Bourque who helped the Av's win in 2001 again.
Would the Nordiques ever of moved if Lindros signed with them? Would they have the trade chips to build a contender? Who knows.
@ARW1234567: You didn't like Lindros but you didn't know about his concussion issues?
@@MrOctober44 Its a cheap shot today. I think it was pretty standard for the time. The main issue for Lindros is the poorly treated concussions. Nobody knew how bad they could be and I believe if he'd had the treatment options they have today would have had a much longer career.
@@Manuel565 Certainly the protocols are much different, Lindros being a huge part of that. The Kasparitis hit was clean. I've never thought the Stevens hit was. He was always a cheap shot headhunter
If you look at the guy that owned the nordiques, Marcel Aubut, an alleged serial rapist.
You understand why his parents had bad vibes about going to quebec city.
You failed to mention the concussion he got in his own locker room after it was found out that he slept with a teammate's wife.
I always found it interesting how Bobby Clarke incessantly questioned the toughness of Eric Lindros when he was regularly getting rocked and suffering concussions.
Bobby Clarke has questionable regard for anyone and anything.
Bobby Clarke - 1972 Summit Series Game 6, Slash
Clark was slime. That is not an honorable way to win.
Your videos are usually great but this one was top notch.
this guys last 5 videos are absolutely remarkeable. the suspense he build is one of the greatest.
Almost all of his videos are enlightening and rarely "clickbait."
What I remember about the time was the Devil’s Trap. The neutral zone trap caused the Flyers problems. Back then we didn’t have a second and third line defensemen who could skate through the neutral zone. Our only defensemen who could skate through zone was Eric Desjardains . Hence this video. I remember listening to the local sports station (WIP). And I recall the radio personalities saying at thr time Eric would have to skate through the neutral zone because he was one of the only few players who could stick handle through the neutral zone. Well, the rest was history. If Eric would’ve had the same career as Mario or Jagr, he would’ve been one of the great ones. I also blames Flyers management for loading the second and third line players with “muckers and grinders” and not getting another defensemen who could skate through the zone.
There's always someone bigger, or at least as big. ALWAYS skate with your head up. Lindros story reminds me of Forsberg in that they both coulda played so much longer if not for the injuries. mad respect to both the.
Lindros was a Bully who got his Come-uppins!!!
@@jimbo1959Stevens was a puke of a player. Go try to find highlights of Ray Bourque throwing dirty hits like that. You won't find any.
Between growing up in Minnesota playing hockey through my sophomore year of college and 30 years in the army with three combat deployments, I can tell you that the more concussions you get, the easier it is to get the next one and they get more severe each time. I had 10 that were diagnosed (two from car wrecks, six from hockey and two from Iraq/Afghanistan) and a brain MRI showed a blackened area in the front left part of my brain. I learned so much from the Army medical personnel and the Fort Riley TBI clinic that I didn't know. These things really change your life. Having said that, you learn early and often in hockey to keep your head up. That's an immensely critical mistake for a player to make, especially entering the other team's zone with the puck.
It wasn't just this hit, it was a bunch a hits and earlier concussions / near concussions that finally caught up with him. Everyone seems to forget too, he used to drop the gloves quite a bit too, I am sure that didn't help matters.
Absolutely. The Scott Stevens hit gets dramatised by the mainstream because it's Scott Stevens (big bruising Canadian HHOF defenceman) but the more serious hit came way earlier courtesy of Darius Kasparaitis. When the Stevens hit happened, as you point out, Lindros had already suffered many concussions and other serious injuries and had already started to decline.
Are you watching the same video as us?
@@argetect2847 Yes he is but he knows what the entire league was like back then, you only know modern icecapades lady bing style hockey.
Exactly, lindross showed up as a rookie ready to tear the league a new one and the league took offense to the young punk acting like he was the end all be all of hockey players. Once they saw he couldn't puck handle without staring at his stick like a special needs child watching a Ferris Wheel the players sort of put lindross out of everyone's misery.
Lindross was a very hateable person , he impregnated Rod Brindamours wife and when the locker room found out about it the flyers started hating lindross worse than the other teams did. In response the Flyers traded Brindamour to carolina and made Lindross the captain again at which point the flyers players stopped talking to lindross all together. They also stopped inviting him to off season social gatherings because they didn't want him near their wives.
Great video! I really enjoyed it. You have a great way of story telling.
His dad and concussions did the man in. Holding out a season and refusing to play in Quebec. In the end Colorado got a couple Cups off the Lindros haul.
Lindros had always been the biggest kid through his development. He was able to skate with the puck freely. Defenders would see this huge kid skating at them and just get out of the way. That continued into his early NHL career. What Lindros never seemed to learn was that NHL guys don't get out of the way. In fact "keep your head up" was an unwritten rule . Lindros never was able to grasp that. Every so often, he'd pick up the puck and carry it into the neutral zone, cross the attacking blue line only to get nailed . He never learned. Then Scott Stevens came along. KNown as one of the NHL's most devastating checkers, he'd wait until a guy carried the puck laterally into the attack zone, and Stevens would just set himself , well balanced and let the puck carrier skate right into his chest The puck carrier's own momentum would knock him silly. Oh , there were plenty of times when Stevens would add his own forward momentum and trolley track the puck carrier. THIS...was one of those times.
You had to know where no. 4 was on the ice at all times and not play with your head down - you can hate stevens as much as you want but if he was on your team hoisting the cup all would be good.
He had it coming due to all the dirty hits he put on smaller guys.
@@RVRV-mz8yw The Flyers bench cheered the Stevens hit on Lindross because of the way Lindross impregnated his teammate Rod Brindamours wife. The City eventually turned on lindross when flyers management traded Brindamour to alleviate the tension in the locker room over the half lindross half cheating bitch brindamour baby.
Scott Stevens was a mean S.O.B. and a dirty hitter.
It was a stunning cheap-shot…only a turbo-dullard would have trouble grasping this.
Noticeable how important video review is to modern head contact player safety rulings. That Kasparaitas hit looks clean on the first angle, but in the second we see initial head contact. **back in this day, this was 100% clean, didn't matter where initial point of contact was
And the puck was lost behind him.
Look at the hit on Meier by Trouba in game 7 of rags vs Devils, it was a total head shot and no penalty was called on Trouba. It is total BS.
Kasper's half height cant even imagine the head before his shoulder until other player are not complete imbecile
Principal contact to the head is still clean, unless you clearly target the head or launch yourself.
Otherwise players could just skate with their head down and get opponents ejected from every small contact.
@@RoyalMela This is the thing I hate about the NHL these days. I never liked targeting a players head on purpose and always thought it should be a major penatly (ex. Domi's elbow) but if a player skates with their head down and is rocked by a clean shoulder hit to their head, its their own fault. The league has decided to reward players who make fundamentally bad decisions in order to prevent the possibility of a franchise player like Lindross, Crosby, etc. being put out of commission. Its a contact sport, people get hurt.
Been a Flyers fan for a long time. His career was never the same after the Kasparitis hit. Everything snowballed after that hit, including his feud with Clarke and flyers management.
Keeping your head down isn’t a “tiny" flaw. Many careers have been cut short because of that.
But they wouldn't have today....
@@Van020280lol, sure they would...theres a reason you dont put your head down when a 6'2" 215 lb freight train is coming at you at 25-30 mph.
I’m pretty sure he’s being sarcastic
@@Van020280 They should today , that is why hockey ratings are way down. The took the man out of mens sports. The NHL wants to mix women into the rosters I am convinced that is why they are making defense illegal. Modern icecapades hockey sucks.
@@From-North-Jersey damn was reading the comments everytime someone is saying something stupid i see your name. quite impressive.
as a flyers fan, this one hurts. ironcially, my dad was asked by a buddy to go to this game but he didnt because it was my 6th birthday party and my mom would have never let him lived it down if he wasnt there lol.
Makes me cry. What a different game. Franzen's condition woke up me up to this problem in the NHL and my god has it shed alot of victims.
I was nicknamed lindros in minor hockey. Had 9 concussions before I was 17, before any protocols and mouth guards were still questioned. He’s lucky he at least made a few million to sit on and deal with the side effects
My friend played shortstop and throwing errors in our town had his last name attached to them... Kids are mean..lol
Nicknamed lindros?
Poor you 😔
Ended by a dirty hit maybe, but I remember my uncles really did not like Lindros cause he injured many players who were much smaller than him. Think they called it karma and big hitters started targeting him more for that. I was still fan of Lindros, I really wished he had a longer career, he was like an aggressive Lemiux.
Was a 100% clean hit, it’s 100% lindros fault I hate that he got hurt and it basically ended his career but he had a VERY bad habit of skating head down and he paid for it.
Yes, exactly. He himself was a dirty player who turned half the NHL against him.
He's clearly not a victim. Just got it in response.
It’s not really talked about, but Scott Stevens and other elbow-checkers from that era used to have metal elbow caps for this very purpose.
Lindros made NO friends among active NHL players with his months long, draft prima donna stunt.
So as a big, physical player, he entered the league with a huge self-engraved target on his back.
He played with fire, and got burned.
how exactly do u know he made NO friends?
@@dubiousdistinction6500 Just like I know we won't be friends.
@@DB-gr7ch jeezus einstein, thats it? thats all u got? keep talking your shiite..lmao
He certainly didn't make freinds with Rod Brindamour!
Now do one on Pronger's freak career injury that ushered in a revolving door of horrible trades, signings and draft picks that have ultimately put us out of contention for a decade and still ongoing.
Who’s us?
@operatingengineer520 I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Flyers. I watched the game Pronger had his accident, and that's really what sparked the flyers trying to replace him with a myriad of bad ideas.
Still paying for it
Pronger had concussion problems throughout the 2000s and 2010s, but special mention goes to an eye injury against Mikhail Grabovski’s Toronto Maple Leafs, before being done in by Martin Hanzal and the Phoenix Coyotes later on
@@leafsfanforever2896 Yes, the eye injury during his Flyers tenure is what I'm referring to which was ultimately the end of his career, and was horrifying to watch. That scream he lets out just deafens the arena and still haunts me tot his day.
After which there was a mad dash of spare parts replacements such as Hal Gill, Niklas Grossmann, Evgeni Medvedev, Mark Streit, Michael Del Zotto, Andrew MacDonald, Steve Mason, Dale Weise, Val Filppula, Vinny LeCavallier, Jori Lehtera, Petr Mrazek etc.
Draft picks and bad gambles during the Holmgren/Hextall eras that never panned out most notably Sam Morin, also Mark Alt, Jay O'Brien, Isaac Ratcliffe, Mark Friedman, German Rubstov, Mikaehl Vorobyev, Phil Meyers. Complete with the blowing up of the team after a Stanley cup final run for draft capital and prospects leading to the absolute squandering of the prime years of Claude Giroux, Jake Voracek, Scott Laughton, Wayne Simmonds and Sean Couturier.
@@TheWingusI was at that Pronger game, and you're right -- that scream was awful.
I was at the Lindros game too. What the videos of that hit never show is the way his stick flew up in the air, end over end, almost as if it were in slow motion, and ultimately landed at the Flyers' blue line.
As a child of the 80s and young man of the 90s, like most folks of that time, I enjoyed the physicality of the NHL. As a youth hockey player myself I also looked forward to finding the biggest guy on the ice and letting him know that “No, you are not going to be left alone.” As a 40-something now with kids, knowing what we now know about concussions, CTE, and brain trauma… I’d advise against my children playing football or hockey if they express interest. Ultimately it is their choice but I now shy away from violence.
Hits like Stevens on Lindros were, if not commonplace on any given day in the NHL, certainly not rare. Even ~10 years ago you can find hits like this; the hit on Nate Horton in the Canucks/Bruins Cup Finals come to mind. When I occasionally show my son what the NHL used to “look like” from the mid-80s to early Oughts, it looks like a big car wreck reel. Those hits now make me physically cringe/wince whereas at the time I’d think “solid hit, nice.” Maybe its age, maybe the times are changing, but I’d fear for my child on the ice. That said, when finesse, speed and team cohesion are at their best… there is no better sport to watch than the NHL. God bless all the folks suffering from CTE.
Lindros missed ten weeks due to a series of concussions prior to his return for the Devils game where Stevens nailed him. It all started with Darius Kasparaitis blasting Lindros and giving him a concussion. Once he got that one it was the beginning of the end. Once the brain gets rocked the concussions come easier and easier.
I remember that. Kasper LAID him out. Lindros didn't know what arena he was in,and from a guy literally half his size. Lindros was never the same after that.
Yep, even before clicking on it, I knew it was going to be some younger person telling me this was the hit when it wasn't- there was a long trail leading to this, sadly. But it started long before this one.
@@kevinmach730 this video explains exactly what you're talking about dumb dumb
did you guys watch the video or comment only based on the title?
@@ZanttuXD I commented on the comment.
Absolutely terrifying that Kariya couldnt remember the following 3 days. Wild.
He probably took the hardest hit in nhl history.
@JonHop1 easily. The fact that he came back and scored that beauty is a masterpiece by itself. But still, unfortunate outcome.
that was not the worst one - - Gary Suter got him once much worse - it was the one that really shortened his career . Such a shame too Karyia was such a incredibly skilled player - but back in those days - that meant it was open season on a player. It is hard to believe hockey lasted as long as it did - with Rules that put targets on the back of the most talented - and made guys with little talent be able to open season on them with little impunity - it was so dumb
@pjpredhomme7699 completely disagree. Scott Steven's hit was so hard, he literally stopped breathing.. The damage the Steven's hit caused was much more severe. He had severe memory loss from it and a slight brain bleed.
@@JonHop1An elbow to the head from a guy who's skating at 20 mph and weighs 215 pounds. Scary.
This was after a bone crushing hit from Kasperitaus of the pens in the late 90s, it happened in game 1 of a back to back game. One in Pittsburgh, next day in Philly (I think)
Lindros played a very physical brand of offensive hockey at a time when the game was in flux from the rough and tumble game of the early 80s to the stickwork/speed of today.
He wasn't afforded the whistle like Gretzky because of his size and physical play.
He also didn't have anybody watching over him like a Semenko/McSorley that Gretzky had, he was his own enforcer, the Flyers did nothing to protect him.
Neither was Super Mario, yet he wasn’t the bully Lindros was, putting up numbers he could only dream of.
@@loilt5091hmm Lindros was great for his era stop it.
@@oasisbeyond
Do some homework regarding his selfishness & drop your naive, juvenile bias 🍼
He refused to go to his initial drafted team in both the OHL & NHL…establishing a selfish, punk reputation, negatively influencing others. Ironically, he could dish it out, but couldn’t take it.
In the end, his numbers were never even close to the HYPE‼️
@@oasisbeyondwell he has a point though. Lindros was no innocent lamb. He just became a victim more than the villain in the end. He played tough hockey and would crush guys too. But the Steven's hit is what made the reels and because it was Steven's, one of the hardest open ice hitters of that generation or ever, he immediately fell under the same category as Kariya. Just another Stevens victim. They couldn't be further apart in playstyle and physicality.
I feel like this video portrays Scott Stevens in a needlessly negative light. I'm not saying Stevens didn't throw headshots, because he did, everyone did..... but like for this hit... genuinely what else can he do? Lindros is entering the zone leading with his head, which is down. The only other option Stevens has is not hit him and let Lindros past to score.... its a playoff game, thats not happening. Lindros chose to play this game already hurt. Lindros put himself into this vulnerable position with his head down. None of that is on Scott Stevens. Including the part with Kariya makes it seem like Stevens was just a headhunting goon, when he was par for the course of the time, and a former Conn Smythe winner, who was a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Also, Lindros' PPG was nowhere near that high. He's in the Top 20 I think, but barely. Personally, I'd have also included the VERY well known rumour of the time that Lindros' first concussion that year actually didn't come from any hit on ice, but from his teammate Rod Brind'Amour kicking his ass in the dressing room for sleeping with his wife lol but I get you wanna stick to the provable facts I suppose.
Stevens ruined many careers
@@knightrider693can't judge those hits by today's rules, at the time perfectly legal
you should do a video on the complete history of the red wings mainly focusing on the rebuild in the 80's-90's, the downfall in the early 2010's, and the current rebuild.
I’m 6’9”. Over 7’0” on skates and I was a wing because I’m a fast skater but I never had much puck handling skills so I would always skate with my head down. Players would have to try to get to my head though. I was in a game where two players tried to run at me and both got their elbows so high that they both were called for majors. They hardly connected. This was high school. If I were in the NHL I’d be Lindrosed out of there in my first game
Never seen a “fast” 7 footer in my life lol
Hip check has entered the chat 😂
@@captainclutchxi lol rick jackman would ruin this mans knees
I always thought Lindros played and skated like he did because of his size, speed and weight. I think it was a miracle he did not get hurt sooner. Sad story for sure and not my type of hockey, but it happens and it probably will keep happening.
I love these sports nation time videos they have that a moment in time feel especially when you end with the clip chefs kiss
True soldier that guy. I've had multiple concussions in my life. When you have one it feels like your under water and things don't feel or seem real. Eric got destroyed while playing and to come back after a few days is truly amazing. I also met his brother Brett when I worked for a paint store.
Great description of what it feel like. It's almost like watching a movie, you're just in a fog.
Scott Sevens, loved that man since the 90s. Life long top favorite players because of how devastating he was.
Dude was literally scum of the earth lol
@@BlackHatAndy literally? Like literally literally? Mfers out there like Saddam Hussain during this time but a physical hockey player is literally the scum of the Earth? 1st world perspective problems. Lay down lindros, your concussions are showing.
Stevens is one of my all time favorite NHL'ers. The Devils were just stocked with so many talented defencemen in 1994-1995.
@@GOFLuvr If only we could get that level of talent and dedication now! Stevens is the model for defense. We need that back.
Thank God he's still alive today, it's crazy to think people used to look at players that were prone to concussions as 'soft'
What Lindros pulled on the Nordiques was the same thing he pulled with the Sault St. Marie Greyhounds when he was drafted by the OHL.
Yeah I blame his father most of all.
it was his mother actually.@@billsouza4457
@@billsouza4457 if I remember correctly, wasn't it actually his mom?
Lindros certainly did the Nords a favor. The Nords got the core of the Philly franchise, and Philly got a player good enough for a single Hart Trophy season.
Listen Eric’s biggest problem after the “Bonnie factor” was his inability to lift his head up while handling the puck and skating forward.
I saw these games live. The Lindros hit was so wow!! I knew it was disastrous. The Karita goal after being knocked out was triumphant. So wild to see it as it happened before it became hockey history.
The 1996 NHL Eastern Conference Quarter-Finals was the start of teams pushing back on Lindros. Game 1, he was a brutal physical force. Game 2, Igor Ulanov was tasked by the Lightning to take it to Lindros every shift... and there was two hip checks that sent Lindros somersaulting through the air.
After that game, Lindros cried to the league about protecting its superstars. At that point, every team knew that Lindos would bring violent physical hits and so they targeted him with the same. It's been some time, but that's my memory of Lindros.
if lindro didnt so called ( Cried ) i wonder if the nhl would be the way it is now
Lindros was also sabotaged in the press by the Flyers that year. It was hard to pull again for more than a few seasons after that
I will never forget that game. I knew it was this before I even clicked. I was a Scott Stevens fan as a kid and this game was insane. Didn’t know he had suffered so many prior concussions then. So negligent of the flyers and sad.
This was a horrible situation from everyone start to finish. Eric’s parents babying him, Eric skating with his head down, the Flyers damn near getting him killed on the ice
babying him? what did they do?
@@maxaffe3195 If you have heard of "Stage Moms" and how they destroy kids by pushing them into acting to support the family you basically have the Lindross clan but with hockey.
His mother told him not to play in QC after the owner joked to his colleagues in French about his mom… and by joked, I mean made a sexually explicit comment because he thought she didn’t know French… the guy was the Harvey Weinstein of hockey and everyone knew he was problematic
I was alive, and a hockey fan, and I followed Eric back in the day. We knew enough about concussions to know he kept coming back too early. His docs told him to take 2 years off after his first diagnosis or he would become concussion prone, and suffer worse health issues. I don't remember what year, but it was early on. And his dad was taking him to doctors on the side but it seemed like he was trying to get Eric back on the ice despite his own private doctor's warnings. Each time he got hurt everyone saw it coming, so when the Ranger's signed him fans were furious. And like Messier is quoted, as a Ranger he would get shook up from simple shots he dealt, nevermind the shots he took. It's unfortunate what happened to Eric, but at least his story is taken seriously today so current players can have a safer journey.
This is an excellent recap. I went down a Lindros rabbit hole. Despite following hockey during his career, I vaguely remembered Lindros as a disappointment.
I guess he was if you look only at net output (rings, # of years as a premier player).
But i forgot how absolutely dominant he was for several years. Unfortunate it ended that way. Hopefully the concussions don't affect him down the road. Glad he made the HOF now.
Scott Stevens laid some absolute bombs, now the league is so different his hits would be illegal. After Savard lost his career over a hit like that I'm glad the league woke up.
I stopped watching hockey years ago but its watching talent leave the game due to savage hits which really turns me off. Winning means taking out the other guy.
Even then most his hits were ilegal, this was 100% a elbow to the head. Stevens is a POS
100% POS. Headhunting with the intent to injure.
I wonder how many careers Scott Stevens ended?
In the 90s my brother and I were fans of the Megaman series of videogames. We used to call Lindross "Concussion Man."
I can think of anybody who liked Lindros, and her seemed like a pompous ass. With that said, he didn’t get the same star protection offered to Gretzky, Crosby, etc, and the Flyers were eager to get him back in to play, to earn his money and prove that trading away half their team was worth it. They mishandled him badly. He may have had a long career if he had just went to the Nordiques…
So close to English. Nice try
Scott Stevens was a beast.He played the game the old school way.
@@gregbaldwin5144 Claude Lemieux was a dirtier player.
Perfect, clean hit, I remember jumping up seeing it on tv. Stevens was a beast. don’t keep your head down crossing the neutral zone.
Agree 100%
Live by the sword, die by the sword. He injured so many players in his career.
Yep. For all his wondrous talent, Lindros was also a hard hitter, and more often than not he would hit one of the smallest players on the opposition. It's a shame his career was cut short by injury, but it's hard for me to feel sorry for him.
Lindros destroyed so many great players careers. He deserved this. And should never been in the hall of fame.
wtf are you talking about??
@ 🤣😂🤣poor little baby🥲easely offended?🤩
@@tomaseriksson6338 Not offended at all. It was a serious question. Who were all the many great players, whose career he destroyed? If you only can answer like a 8-year old with emojis, dont bother.
@ if you dont know what everyone know🧐so why bother to write? You dont have anything to ad. 😵💫So dont be so easely offended When you dont know what the xxxx you talking about‼️