@@gocanuckurself1 Sakic always seemed like a second Yzerman. The character, the leadership, the stoic approach to the press. And his wrist shot.. dear God that release was always dangerous!
When it is all said and done he may have more cups to his name than anyone. He has the Midas touch, brings the best out of everyone around him, and everyone likes him.
That 1st pick originally belonged to the Penguins too. I always wondered what would've happened if the kept it. Would they have taken Yzerman?? Maybe Lafontain? Taking Yzerman would've caused a massive butterfly effect and God only knows what the league would look like today if that happened.
Surprised you left Fetisov off there. He played 9 years and was a key player on 3 Stanley Cup winning teams. He was drafted by the Habs in ‘78 however the Soviets couldn’t come over and play, therefore he was re-entered into the ‘83 draft. Perhaps this is why you left him off? I would argue he would be top 10. Dude is a HOFer
Bob Probert was a Windsor legend. While he may have had his issues with substance and the law he loved hockey and was willing to share that love with the youth of the area. His autograph will probably be the one I will be most fond of.
The draft that changed the red wings forever! Yzerman probert klima kocur and even tho he didn’t play with us for 15 years Stu grimson! Could you imagine probert kocur and grimson on the same team? This draft is only rivaled by the wings 89 draft of lidstrom federov and konstantinov
This is one of those superstacked drafts that makes best of lists. And with Probert and Kocer, its the toughest ever. Esa Tikkanen just seemed like a fun guy. I remember somebody said he talked twice as much as anybody else because you could only understand half of what he said.
I want to see '99 for the exact opposite reason, to see you struggle to pick which pieces of chaff to have to include alongside what little wheat there was that year...
@@BloggerMusicMan Zetterburg jumps from round seven to third. I think Ryan Miller was a mid-rounder, easy fourth unless you want to debate him for third instead. Craig Anderson probably has a good case for fifth. After that, though? Yeah, a very interesting debate.
@@BeastOfMetal1989 Thanks for that reply. Now that you lay it out like that, I agree with your order. Martin Havlat is a name that stands out. I'd put him at sixth. Injuries really affected him, but in his prime, he was a very skilled and effective player. Nick Boynton and Radim Vrbata are the only other all-stars from that draft. I'd put Vrbata ahead of Boynton. Barrett Jackman won a Calder and had a few decent seasons. Tim Connolly, Mike Commodore, Alex Auld, and Oleg Saprykin all had respectable NHL careers. Connolly in particular had real skill. The problem with Connolly was he was really injury prone. Alex Auld was a solid backup goalie in Vancouver. It's strange, but looking back at that draft, if you did a whole first round, you might take Patrick Stefan around the 15 mark. That's not a slight on him personally, I hear he's quite a nice guy actually, but that tells you something about this draft.
He still wouldn’t have won anything there either and we'd still be having the same discussion about the 90s Whalers as for the 90s Sabres. And the Whalers would still have relocated.
@@humankirk9196 Probably, but I remember him being able to carry those Sabres' teams on his back. He was the best goalie I ever saw...I know that I may be a little biased & a bit of a Homer.
Interesting to see 3# Lafontaine, 6# Claude Lemieux & 7# Tom Barrasso when these players did play for these respective teams at one point in there careers! But I have to side with those who agree Sergie Makarov was drafted to low. If he like Hasek had been able to enter the NHL earlier in his career, he would have been a far better player in the league as he was already 32 when he entered it (!). The guy was a scoring machine in Team CCCP.
Heck of a first round there. I had no idea Hasek was drafted way back in 1983. Imagine him going to the Islanders at #3 and picking up right where Billy Smith left off? I wonder if the Islanders would have won a fifth straight cup.
Neely helps not getting The Captain but he’s my all time favourite player, I’m glad it happened the way it did. Home runs at 4, R A Z O R is the real deal.
Wow, I took a peak at the next years draft and just wow the number of great players in back to back drafts. ‘84 was my draft class and I proved everyone right about being overlooked. 🤓
A great argument for Yzerman over Hasek is that Yzerman played right away and became a young captain. Hasek had to wait a while to be able to come here. You get more out of Yzerman. In terms of pure talent though? Yzerman was a marvellous, legendary player, but Hasek was truly one-of-a-kind as a goalie. Hasek won two Hart Trophies in a row, which is an award that rarely goes to goalies even once. At his peak, he could carry teams.
Better than the dead puck era of the late 90s. Teams like the 99 Sabres just needed Peca to get one in the net and they almost had the win in the bag with Hasek in net. I loved that era because I grew up watching it, but it could be frustrating at times. On the other hand though a goal also meant so much.
@@longliverocknroll5 Now yes. As I get older I look at those more as a dad than I did as a teen. In 2007 I thought crazy 30 mile an hour Phaneuf was the answer to the Sabres high scoring, but small President Trophy winning team. I hated seeing the Sens put everyone on their butts and role over us. I felt getting a Pronger or something was the only answer and maybe in 2007 it was. I can’t imagine the 2007 Sabres if they also had grit, but now that’s the old days. It helps to be physical, but it does not win games the way it did for the Ducks back then. The game is faster and you can pass the puck and not have to worry about getting destroyed way after while you fly down center ice. Probably for the best. It is still part of the game, but skilled players can show more skill.
@@Buffalosabskis Based on the way the refs let Pronger do whatever he wanted in the 07 playoffs, he would have been a good choice at the time. I live in Ottawa, actively cheer against the Sens, but they got screwed over by the refs hard against the Ducks. Refs put their whistles away entirely and let Pronger cross-check people in the boards, in the head, run guys without the puck. It was a joke. It’s actually why I’ve grown to dislike the playoffs more. A league that has two sets of rules for playoffs and regular season, is an extremely poorly run league.
@@longliverocknroll5 That year holds such an odd place in my life haha. I was in grade 11 and just hated that Ottawa team so much. Seeing Chris Neil just brought out my angsts. I will admit I cried when they lost game 3 1 to 0 haha. I knew what free agency was bringing. It was like I could see “This is not going to be a fun next decade.” I was all too right. Hopefully now this young team can be fun. When Tyler Ennis won game 5 in 2011 I did not know it would be this much of a drought haha. I can see the point about inconsistent officiating. Always an issue
Buffalo would have been the most feared and hated team in the league if this draft had really happened :D Imagine tough guys like Tocchet and Probert in the same team, maybe even the same line and then Tikkanen with his talking and irratating skills :D
I miss the FHL sim you can do online fantasy sim leagues with. If it existed still, I would do a league starting in 1983 then add the expansions over time and keep each year’s draft pool.
For anyone wondering why their team was missing a pick, here are the trades from the first round (copied from wikipedia): The Pittsburgh Penguins' first-round pick (1st overall) went to the Minnesota North Stars as the result of a trade on October 28, 1982 that sent Anders Hakansson, Ron Meighan and Minnesota's 1st-rd pick in 1983 NHL Entry Draft in exchange for George Ferguson and this pick. The New Jersey Devils' first-round pick (3rd overall) went to the New York Islanders as the result of a trade on October 1, 1981 that sent Dave Cameron and Bob Lorimer to Colorado in exchange for this pick. The Colorado Rockies relocated to New Jersey to become the Devils for the 1982-83 NHL season. The Los Angeles Kings' first-round pick (5th overall) went to the Buffalo Sabres as the result of a trade on March 10, 1981 that sent the Rick Martin to Los Angeles in exchange for Los Angeles' third-round pick in 1981 NHL Entry Draft and this pick. The St. Louis Blues' first-round pick (6th overall) went to the New Jersey Devils as the result of a trade on June 9, 1982 that sent Rob Ramage to St. Louis in exchange for St. Louis' first-round pick in 1982 NHL Entry Draft and this pick. The Calgary Flames' first-round pick (10th overall) went to the Buffalo Sabres as the result of a trade on June 8, 1982 that sent Richie Dunn, Don Edwards and Buffalo's second-round pick in 1982 NHL Entry Draft to Calgary in exchange for Calgary's first-round and second-round picks in 1982 NHL Entry Draft, second-round picks in 1983 NHL Entry Draft along with Buffalo's option to swap first-round picks in 1983 NHL Entry Draft (this pick). The Quebec Nordiques' first-round pick (11th overall) went to the Buffalo Sabres as the result of a trade on June 8, 1983 that sent Tony McKegney, Jean-Francois Sauve, Andre Savard and Buffalo's 3rd-rd pick in 1983 NHL Entry Draft to Quebec in exchange for Real Cloutier and this pick. The Buffalo Sabres' first-round pick (13th overall) went to the Calgary Flames as the result of a trade on June 8, 1982 that sent Calgary's first-round and second-round picks in 1982 NHL Entry Draft, second-round picks in 1983 NHL Entry Draft along with Buffalo's option to swap first-round picks in 1983 NHL Entry Draft to Buffalo in exchange for Richie Dunn, Don Edwards and Buffalo's second-round pick in 1982 NHL Entry Draft. Buffalo took option to swap which became this pick for Calgary. The Washington Capitals' first-round pick (14th overall) went to the Winnipeg Jets as the result of a trade on June 8, 1983 that sent Dave Christian to Washington in exchange for this pick. The Minnesota North Stars' first-round pick (15th overall) went to the Pittsburgh Penguins as the result of a trade on October 28, 1982 that sent George Ferguson and Pittsburgh's 1st-rd pick in 1983 NHL Entry Draft to Minnesota in exchange for Anders Hakansson, Ron Meighan and this pick. The Philadelphia Flyers' first-round pick (20th overall) went to the Hartford Whalers as the result of a trade on August 19, 1982 that sent Mark Howe and Hartford's third-round in 1983 NHL Entry Draft to Philadelphia in exchange for Greg Adams, Ken Linseman, Philadelphia's third-round in 1983 NHL Entry Draft and this pick.
Claude was only tough when it came to blindsiding people. As for Neely going #4... I mean he's good, but no, can't be too happy, he's no The Captain. And since Red Wings wouldn't get Probert either... Thank heavens the dominoes fell like they did.
Beuke was a beast who was tuff with the knucks and could stand tow to toe with the heavy weights. Let's not forget he was Brian Leetchs rock. He needs to be in that first round!!!!
I've heard that at the time, the Red Wings were more concerned about simply filling up the arena, and were hoping to do so by drafting local phenom Pat LaFontaine. According to this story, they were very disappointed when the Islanders took LaFontaine at #3. Obviously today, all Red Wings fans thank God that LaFontaine wasn't available at #4. As great of a player as LaFontaine was, we were ultimately much better off with Yzerman.
I remember sitting next to some guys who would just relentlessly mock Garry Galley when he played for the Kings. They were hilarious, I wish I could remember the chirps. The funny thing is we were up high and I know GG could not hear them. It was a weird obsession.
Another redraft and a historical one. Somebody told me yesterday that this will make it rain pennies and that's going to hurt. Hope you had fun doing it.
I am just imagining Pittsburgh not trading away it's 1st round overall pick to the stars and drafting Yzerman in '83 and then Mario in '84...Pittsburgh would have more cup wins than The Habs by now...
Okay, think about Yzerman on the North Stars. Bobby Smith probably still goes to Montreal, so that moves Broten to the second line. Ciccarelli is Yzerman's winger, and Bellows plays with Broten. Those top two lines are fire. And then Neely going to Detroit? Oates would end up there in 85, so with some patience that would pay off. The only guy grumbling would have been Ogrodnick.
I see this stacked draft, remember the 83 NFL draft as being stacked and wonder if the NBA draft that year was crazy too? MLB drafts are so long and unpredictable that I don't know if I would consider it as well. Was 83 a super draft year?
Islanders couldn't go wrong in that draft - Lafontaine or Yzerman. My only guess was that Yzerman was a Trottier clone (Trottier was his favorite player and why he wore 19). This gave the Isles - Trottier, Brent Sutter, LaFontaine and Goring up the middle. 4 very different centers. Jimmy Devellano, former Isles scout and then Detroit GM, liked LaFontaine but got stuck with Yzerman. Worked out.
Neeley as a red wing, wow that s a What If story for sure courtnall was a fun player to watch I think if he played in today's game he'd stand out more for sure
Allan Bester was the 2nd goalie selected in 1983, ahead of Hasek, Terreri, Essensa, Pietrangelo, Puppa and none other than Vladislav Tretiak. Considering how bad the Leafs were playing defensively at the time, you could argue that aside from Hasek, none of them would have done better than Bester did (that would be a fun topic). So my question for Shannon is this: If we were to assume Hasek came over in 83, can we also assume that Tretiak would have also come? I think the Habs selected him suspecting the chances of that were almost 0. He liked the Habs, but would he have played for another team? If so, where would he have gone?
Went to see 'hotshot' Blackawks prospect Jimmy Waite play Peoria Rivermen who at the time had one of the best IHL teams. But DAMN....some guy named Hasek plays instead. Rivermen outshoot Indianapolis Ice something like 50 to 15 and LOOSE 4-ziip. Who was this guy Hasek? He made it look easy. BTW....what a great draft!
1984 would be amazing to see. Obviously Mario 1, but #2 Luc Robitaille or Brett Hull or probably Patrick Roy? Who made the most money in their athletic career? The LA Kings drafted Tom Glavine who is in the MLB hall of fame with over 300 wins and two Cy Young’s.
Wow, that's an interesting fact, even though I hardly follow baseball. I do wonder how many players there are who have been drafted by two major NA leagues. In the next off-season, that's something for @The Hockey Guy to look at.
It would be fun to try a redraft of the year after that, 1984 (AKA the Lemieux draft). Mario would still be the undisputed no 1 (well, mostly undisputed. I can I can imagine a few people arguing that over one other particular player from that draft...) But there also many other great players that were picked waaaay further than they should have been.
In the redraft alternate universe, the Canucks select RW John MacLean at 9th overall; however, three years later they are unhappy with the production of their young forward and trade him to the LA Kings in the summer of 1986. That winter, after a game in New York; Maclean flies into LAX and goes to a Christmas party to see his girlfriend, Holly Gennaro. He finds himself in a hostage situation with international terrorists and saves the day. Two years later the story about his heroics is made into a movie and his name is changed to John McClane to protect his identity.
Here is an idea. How about a top ten of each later round, (say rounds 3 - 7) of either all-time or each decade/ era, (depending on how long you wanted to make the series). I would love to see where players like Pavelski or Pekka Rinne would rank.
He was good in his limited action in Chicago, although nobody thought he would become the best goalie of the 90's (and one of the best ever) at that point...
Will be tough to do so since it's John Maclean the goalie and John McClane the character. It's more likely to have Jim Carey star in 'Dumb and Dumber'.
Shannon it would be great to do a video or a draft of the best guys never drafted. Because Eddie the Eagle who wasn’t drafted should’ve been in this draft I think, and in this draft he could’ve been as high as third
By the way and in my opinion Dominik would have to be number one. Only because Dominik could be argued The greatest goaltender of all time. But I don’t think Steve Yzerman is in the same conversation for the greatest forward of all time And they may be hard to compare because of their positions, but one could be in the conversation of top three goaltenders but I don’t know Stevie is in the top 10 forwards
I'd have to drop a couple of the guys who took a BILLION penalty minutes down a few spots. At a certain point you're negating some of your other upsides and putting your team into too many tough situations to pass on a guy who produces almost the same and doesn't repeatedly put you at a disadvantage game after game.
I like these redrafts but as a Kings fan I keep getting reminded that they didn't often draft in the first round bcuz they kept trading away their pick for some has-been.
Yeah I’ll have to go ahead and disagree. I’ll put Hasek number one myself. Two time Stanley Cup Champion to go with 2 Hart trophies, 2 Lester B Trophies and 6 Vezinas. The way I see it as good as Yzerman was, I wouldn’t have him as a top 10 forward of all time. Whereas Hasek I have as top 3 Goalie of all time. Certainly the best Goalie I’ve ever witnessed in my 40 years.
So you didn’t watch hockey back then. It’s ok not everyone is old. But ya go back and watch some clips. Just because he didn’t show off doesn’t mean he wasn’t great.
@@luv2bbq I watched it plenty back then. I'm plenty old enough to remember the Wings all the way back to 95. The 08 Wings were stacked, and Hasek had a dominant regular season (at 43 no less) but he faltered early in the playoffs and Osgood took over and took them the rest of the way to the Cup. I believe Hasek is the greatest goaltender ever, but to this day it rubs me the wrong way how he retired after the 02 Cup run, causing the logjam in net after the Wings signed CuJo (another goalie I love). I don't know if they win another cup in 03, but man... I cant help but wonder.
Both hall of fame greats but if you get a chance to take probably the greatest goalie in nhl history vs a top 8-20 all time forward all time but never the best in his position at any point I'd lean goalie but hard to argue with nearly 700 goals hell of a runner up
Honestly it's gotta be Hasek #1. Granted Sabre fan bias, but also, when you bring up the top forwards of all time, I rarely if ever, I honeslty can't think of a time someone brought up Yzerman. People bring up Bossy more than Yzerman and Bossy had a really short career. It doesn't mean he wasn't GREAT, he obviously was, but he's not a top 5 forward of all time. But if you say name the best Goalies of all time and Hasek isn't in your top 3 you're just not credible. So we're talking maybe a top 30 top 50 player vs a top 3 player at their respective positions.
With all the hype about Yzerman as a GM, it’s easy to forget how insane he was as a player. One of the best ever!
He’ll probably end up back in the Hall as a builder! Sakic, too!
@@gocanuckurself1 Sakic always seemed like a second Yzerman. The character, the leadership, the stoic approach to the press. And his wrist shot.. dear God that release was always dangerous!
When it is all said and done he may have more cups to his name than anyone. He has the Midas touch, brings the best out of everyone around him, and everyone likes him.
That 1st pick originally belonged to the Penguins too.
I always wondered what would've happened if the kept it.
Would they have taken Yzerman?? Maybe Lafontain?
Taking Yzerman would've caused a massive butterfly effect and God only knows what the league would look like today if that happened.
Surprised you left Fetisov off there. He played 9 years and was a key player on 3 Stanley Cup winning teams.
He was drafted by the Habs in ‘78 however the Soviets couldn’t come over and play, therefore he was re-entered into the ‘83 draft. Perhaps this is why you left him off?
I would argue he would be top 10. Dude is a HOFer
14:42 Bear enthusiastically nods in agreement
Bob Probert was a Windsor legend. While he may have had his issues with substance and the law he loved hockey and was willing to share that love with the youth of the area. His autograph will probably be the one I will be most fond of.
He almost accidentally pushed Stevie out of a 7th floor hotel window, but he didn't so he's still great to me. 🤣
These redrafts make me feel old. Thanks Hockey Guy 😭
Me too, this was the year after I was born lol.
Makes me feel 'really' old, I was in 10th grade (sophomore year of high school) in 1983.
This was the year I was born, but I remember watching most of these guys as a kid/young teen so it's super nostalgic.
I was in 8th Grade. Seriously feeling like a geezer.
The draft that changed the red wings forever!
Yzerman probert klima kocur and even tho he didn’t play with us for 15 years Stu grimson! Could you imagine probert kocur and grimson on the same team? This draft is only rivaled by the wings 89 draft of lidstrom federov and konstantinov
This is one of those superstacked drafts that makes best of lists.
And with Probert and Kocer, its the toughest ever.
Esa Tikkanen just seemed like a fun guy. I remember somebody said he talked twice as much as anybody else because you could only understand half of what he said.
Don't forget Tocchet and Neely on that toughest ever list.
You woke up Bear the Cat, thanks Hockey Dude
I want to see '99 for the exact opposite reason, to see you struggle to pick which pieces of chaff to have to include alongside what little wheat there was that year...
That's a great way of putting it.
Daniel and Henrik Sedin would be an easy #1 and #2. After that it would be interesting who would pull out of that class.
@@BloggerMusicMan Zetterburg jumps from round seven to third. I think Ryan Miller was a mid-rounder, easy fourth unless you want to debate him for third instead. Craig Anderson probably has a good case for fifth. After that, though? Yeah, a very interesting debate.
@@BeastOfMetal1989 Thanks for that reply. Now that you lay it out like that, I agree with your order.
Martin Havlat is a name that stands out. I'd put him at sixth. Injuries really affected him, but in his prime, he was a very skilled and effective player.
Nick Boynton and Radim Vrbata are the only other all-stars from that draft. I'd put Vrbata ahead of Boynton. Barrett Jackman won a Calder and had a few decent seasons.
Tim Connolly, Mike Commodore, Alex Auld, and Oleg Saprykin all had respectable NHL careers. Connolly in particular had real skill. The problem with Connolly was he was really injury prone. Alex Auld was a solid backup goalie in Vancouver.
It's strange, but looking back at that draft, if you did a whole first round, you might take Patrick Stefan around the 15 mark. That's not a slight on him personally, I hear he's quite a nice guy actually, but that tells you something about this draft.
Pretty stacked to be fair. Hasek in a Hartford jersey wouldve been fantastic.
As long as he still ends up in a Sabres jersey I'm happy...
He still wouldn’t have won anything there either and we'd still be having the same discussion about the 90s Whalers as for the 90s Sabres. And the Whalers would still have relocated.
@@humankirk9196 Probably, but I remember him being able to carry those Sabres' teams on his back.
He was the best goalie I ever saw...I know that I may be a little biased & a bit of a Homer.
Interesting to see 3# Lafontaine, 6# Claude Lemieux & 7# Tom Barrasso when these players did play for these respective teams at one point in there careers!
But I have to side with those who agree Sergie Makarov was drafted to low. If he like Hasek had been able to enter the NHL earlier in his career, he would have been a far better player in the league as he was already 32 when he entered it (!). The guy was a scoring machine in Team CCCP.
Him and Igor Larionov on the same line was just pure magic.
Heck of a first round there. I had no idea Hasek was drafted way back in 1983. Imagine him going to the Islanders at #3 and picking up right where Billy Smith left off? I wonder if the Islanders would have won a fifth straight cup.
These yearly draft-videos are my favourite! I Hasek would be my first, but as you said, you can't go wrong with either.
You have to remember that Hasek was also playing behind the iron curtain that time and therefore he wasn't also drafted too early.
Neely helps not getting The Captain but he’s my all time favourite player, I’m glad it happened the way it did. Home runs at 4, R A Z O R is the real deal.
So glad you did this draft! When I did it, I debated long and hard between the top two before eventually taking Hasek.
Goalie is the most important position in hockey. Hasek is the best goalie of all-time. Hasek should be #1
yes, its funny he had more Ted Lindsay and Hard Trophies than Yzerman, but north american fans are still able to put him in no.2 in redraft =)
Wow, I took a peak at the next years draft and just wow the number of great players in back to back drafts. ‘84 was my draft class and I proved everyone right about being overlooked. 🤓
Thank you for not assigning Claude Lemieux to Detroit at #4!!!
A great argument for Yzerman over Hasek is that Yzerman played right away and became a young captain. Hasek had to wait a while to be able to come here. You get more out of Yzerman.
In terms of pure talent though? Yzerman was a marvellous, legendary player, but Hasek was truly one-of-a-kind as a goalie. Hasek won two Hart Trophies in a row, which is an award that rarely goes to goalies even once. At his peak, he could carry teams.
And thus we get 2002 Stanley Cup
Born in 86 im surprised i know at least half of these players.
Thank you for the backstories esp. on the players i didnt know. :)
Steve Yzerman has the most points in one season of a player not named Gretzky or Lemieux, fun fact
That’s right. Stevie Y was a beast.
155 points
Esposito 152
Nicholls 150
Jagr 149
LaFontaine 148
Bossy 147
Oates 142
Not anymore lol
@@michaelkeller5927What? Did McDavid get some points added retroactively because he sure didn't get 155 last year. Stevie is still 3rd
The draft the St. Louis Blues didn't send anyone to the draft.
This redraft adds AT LEAST 7500 PIM to the Buffalo Sabres.
LaFontaine is just another example of a great skill player that I would have loved to see play outside of the goon era!
Better than the dead puck era of the late 90s. Teams like the 99 Sabres just needed Peca to get one in the net and they almost had the win in the bag with Hasek in net. I loved that era because I grew up watching it, but it could be frustrating at times. On the other hand though a goal also meant so much.
@@Buffalosabskis Nah, I’d rather watch trap than Stevens head-hunt and attempt to actively kill players.
@@longliverocknroll5 Now yes. As I get older I look at those more as a dad than I did as a teen. In 2007 I thought crazy 30 mile an hour Phaneuf was the answer to the Sabres high scoring, but small President Trophy winning team. I hated seeing the Sens put everyone on their butts and role over us. I felt getting a Pronger or something was the only answer and maybe in 2007 it was. I can’t imagine the 2007 Sabres if they also had grit, but now that’s the old days. It helps to be physical, but it does not win games the way it did for the Ducks back then. The game is faster and you can pass the puck and not have to worry about getting destroyed way after while you fly down center ice. Probably for the best. It is still part of the game, but skilled players can show more skill.
@@Buffalosabskis Based on the way the refs let Pronger do whatever he wanted in the 07 playoffs, he would have been a good choice at the time. I live in Ottawa, actively cheer against the Sens, but they got screwed over by the refs hard against the Ducks. Refs put their whistles away entirely and let Pronger cross-check people in the boards, in the head, run guys without the puck. It was a joke. It’s actually why I’ve grown to dislike the playoffs more. A league that has two sets of rules for playoffs and regular season, is an extremely poorly run league.
@@longliverocknroll5 That year holds such an odd place in my life haha. I was in grade 11 and just hated that Ottawa team so much. Seeing Chris Neil just brought out my angsts. I will admit I cried when they lost game 3 1 to 0 haha. I knew what free agency was bringing. It was like I could see “This is not going to be a fun next decade.” I was all too right. Hopefully now this young team can be fun. When Tyler Ennis won game 5 in 2011 I did not know it would be this much of a drought haha. I can see the point about inconsistent officiating. Always an issue
Buffalo would have been the most feared and hated team in the league if this draft had really happened :D Imagine tough guys like Tocchet and Probert in the same team, maybe even the same line and then Tikkanen with his talking and irratating skills :D
I miss the FHL sim you can do online fantasy sim leagues with. If it existed still, I would do a league starting in 1983 then add the expansions over time and keep each year’s draft pool.
For anyone wondering why their team was missing a pick, here are the trades from the first round (copied from wikipedia):
The Pittsburgh Penguins' first-round pick (1st overall) went to the Minnesota North Stars as the result of a trade on October 28, 1982 that sent Anders Hakansson, Ron Meighan and Minnesota's 1st-rd pick in 1983 NHL Entry Draft in exchange for George Ferguson and this pick.
The New Jersey Devils' first-round pick (3rd overall) went to the New York Islanders as the result of a trade on October 1, 1981 that sent Dave Cameron and Bob Lorimer to Colorado in exchange for this pick. The Colorado Rockies relocated to New Jersey to become the Devils for the 1982-83 NHL season.
The Los Angeles Kings' first-round pick (5th overall) went to the Buffalo Sabres as the result of a trade on March 10, 1981 that sent the Rick Martin to Los Angeles in exchange for Los Angeles' third-round pick in 1981 NHL Entry Draft and this pick.
The St. Louis Blues' first-round pick (6th overall) went to the New Jersey Devils as the result of a trade on June 9, 1982 that sent Rob Ramage to St. Louis in exchange for St. Louis' first-round pick in 1982 NHL Entry Draft and this pick.
The Calgary Flames' first-round pick (10th overall) went to the Buffalo Sabres as the result of a trade on June 8, 1982 that sent Richie Dunn, Don Edwards and Buffalo's second-round pick in 1982 NHL Entry Draft to Calgary in exchange for Calgary's first-round and second-round picks in 1982 NHL Entry Draft, second-round picks in 1983 NHL Entry Draft along with Buffalo's option to swap first-round picks in 1983 NHL Entry Draft (this pick).
The Quebec Nordiques' first-round pick (11th overall) went to the Buffalo Sabres as the result of a trade on June 8, 1983 that sent Tony McKegney, Jean-Francois Sauve, Andre Savard and Buffalo's 3rd-rd pick in 1983 NHL Entry Draft to Quebec in exchange for Real Cloutier and this pick.
The Buffalo Sabres' first-round pick (13th overall) went to the Calgary Flames as the result of a trade on June 8, 1982 that sent Calgary's first-round and second-round picks in 1982 NHL Entry Draft, second-round picks in 1983 NHL Entry Draft along with Buffalo's option to swap first-round picks in 1983 NHL Entry Draft to Buffalo in exchange for Richie Dunn, Don Edwards and Buffalo's second-round pick in 1982 NHL Entry Draft. Buffalo took option to swap which became this pick for Calgary.
The Washington Capitals' first-round pick (14th overall) went to the Winnipeg Jets as the result of a trade on June 8, 1983 that sent Dave Christian to Washington in exchange for this pick.
The Minnesota North Stars' first-round pick (15th overall) went to the Pittsburgh Penguins as the result of a trade on October 28, 1982 that sent George Ferguson and Pittsburgh's 1st-rd pick in 1983 NHL Entry Draft to Minnesota in exchange for Anders Hakansson, Ron Meighan and this pick.
The Philadelphia Flyers' first-round pick (20th overall) went to the Hartford Whalers as the result of a trade on August 19, 1982 that sent Mark Howe and Hartford's third-round in 1983 NHL Entry Draft to Philadelphia in exchange for Greg Adams, Ken Linseman, Philadelphia's third-round in 1983 NHL Entry Draft and this pick.
Could you imagine Buffalo with those three. Would have been awesome
Claude was only tough when it came to blindsiding people. As for Neely going #4... I mean he's good, but no, can't be too happy, he's no The Captain. And since Red Wings wouldn't get Probert either... Thank heavens the dominoes fell like they did.
Beuke was a beast who was tuff with the knucks and could stand tow to toe with the heavy weights. Let's not forget he was Brian Leetchs rock. He needs to be in that first round!!!!
I've heard that at the time, the Red Wings were more concerned about simply filling up the arena, and were hoping to do so by drafting local phenom Pat LaFontaine. According to this story, they were very disappointed when the Islanders took LaFontaine at #3.
Obviously today, all Red Wings fans thank God that LaFontaine wasn't available at #4. As great of a player as LaFontaine was, we were ultimately much better off with Yzerman.
I remember sitting next to some guys who would just relentlessly mock Garry Galley when he played for the Kings. They were hilarious, I wish I could remember the chirps. The funny thing is we were up high and I know GG could not hear them. It was a weird obsession.
I still think of that crainal nerve exam with Pat Lafontaine video that has like 30 million views whenever I hear his name lol
Fun fact: if the Wings were picking at #3, they would’ve picked Lafontaine.
Yup! Hometown boy! We were alll praying the islanders would take yzerman! Hahahaha whew! Pat was great but he wasn’t Stevie Y
Maybe you could look at each drafts “all tough” team, toughest players from each position in each draft
Another redraft and a historical one. Somebody told me yesterday that this will make it rain pennies and that's going to hurt. Hope you had fun doing it.
You're hurting my heart, Hockey Guy.
Signed, Detroit Red Wings fan
I am just imagining Pittsburgh not trading away it's 1st round overall pick to the stars and drafting Yzerman in '83 and then Mario in '84...Pittsburgh would have more cup wins than The Habs by now...
Great list, let's see how 89 would have gone
Okay, think about Yzerman on the North Stars. Bobby Smith probably still goes to Montreal, so that moves Broten to the second line. Ciccarelli is Yzerman's winger, and Bellows plays with Broten. Those top two lines are fire.
And then Neely going to Detroit? Oates would end up there in 85, so with some patience that would pay off. The only guy grumbling would have been Ogrodnick.
It's fun to scroll through the draft on my phone while watching this.
When he does these redrafts. A good tie breaker to decide who goes 1st to Minnesota would be if Minnesota needed a goalie more than a centre?
Hasek #1 by far.
It's debatable but it's not "by far." Stevie Y was fantastic
I see this stacked draft, remember the 83 NFL draft as being stacked and wonder if the NBA draft that year was crazy too? MLB drafts are so long and unpredictable that I don't know if I would consider it as well. Was 83 a super draft year?
Islanders couldn't go wrong in that draft - Lafontaine or Yzerman. My only guess was that Yzerman was a Trottier clone (Trottier was his favorite player and why he wore 19). This gave the Isles - Trottier, Brent Sutter, LaFontaine and Goring up the middle. 4 very different centers. Jimmy Devellano, former Isles scout and then Detroit GM, liked LaFontaine but got stuck with Yzerman. Worked out.
It might be interesting to do a 32 player draft using only the final round of say, the last 32 years.
3:07 cat steals the show
Neeley as a red wing, wow that s a What If story for sure courtnall was a fun player to watch I think if he played in today's game he'd stand out more for sure
Three different Sabers emblems on the first half. Shannon probably didn’t even come close to running out
Allan Bester was the 2nd goalie selected in 1983, ahead of Hasek, Terreri, Essensa, Pietrangelo, Puppa and none other than Vladislav Tretiak. Considering how bad the Leafs were playing defensively at the time, you could argue that aside from Hasek, none of them would have done better than Bester did (that would be a fun topic). So my question for Shannon is this: If we were to assume Hasek came over in 83, can we also assume that Tretiak would have also come? I think the Habs selected him suspecting the chances of that were almost 0. He liked the Habs, but would he have played for another team? If so, where would he have gone?
Kordic and Nilan on the same team. We didn't win as many cups in the 80s. But they were a fun team to watch.
Went to see 'hotshot' Blackawks prospect Jimmy Waite play Peoria Rivermen who at the time had one of the best IHL teams. But DAMN....some guy named Hasek plays instead. Rivermen outshoot Indianapolis Ice something like 50 to 15 and LOOSE 4-ziip. Who was this guy Hasek? He made it look easy. BTW....what a great draft!
Flyers had a good draft. No 1st Round pick but they got Rick Tocchet and Peter Zezel. kudos to their scouts
1984 would be amazing to see. Obviously Mario 1, but #2 Luc Robitaille or Brett Hull or probably Patrick Roy? Who made the most money in their athletic career? The LA Kings drafted Tom Glavine who is in the MLB hall of fame with over 300 wins and two Cy Young’s.
Wow, that's an interesting fact, even though I hardly follow baseball. I do wonder how many players there are who have been drafted by two major NA leagues. In the next off-season, that's something for @The Hockey Guy to look at.
I'm a big Bob Essensa fan. Curious as to where you would have ranked him since he was drafted this year
Buffalo Sabres could of been the Broad Street Bullies for the 1980s with that trio.
It would be fun to try a redraft of the year after that, 1984 (AKA the Lemieux draft). Mario would still be the undisputed no 1 (well, mostly undisputed. I can I can imagine a few people arguing that over one other particular player from that draft...) But there also many other great players that were picked waaaay further than they should have been.
You can’t deny Yzerman should have gone first, but as a red wings fan it’s a gut punch to think of the Wings without our captain.
Well at least we get Neely and not Lem**ux
Esa Tikkanen needed to come with subtitles because nobody could understand what the hell he was saying from his personal Tikkanese language 😆.
Holy cow! I had no idea this draft was THIS freakin good. And Mario next year in 1984!
... and do you pick Mario or Patrick at #1 ?
@@humankirk9196 Flip a coin.
In the redraft alternate universe, the Canucks select RW John MacLean at 9th overall; however, three years later they are unhappy with the production of their young forward and trade him to the LA Kings in the summer of 1986. That winter, after a game in New York; Maclean flies into LAX and goes to a Christmas party to see his girlfriend, Holly Gennaro. He finds himself in a hostage situation with international terrorists and saves the day. Two years later the story about his heroics is made into a movie and his name is changed to John McClane to protect his identity.
Here is an idea. How about a top ten of each later round, (say rounds 3 - 7) of either all-time or each decade/ era, (depending on how long you wanted to make the series). I would love to see where players like Pavelski or Pekka Rinne would rank.
JEFF BEUKEBOOM!!!
Wow, what a stacked draft!
I like Hasek #2 because of the really rough start to his career, around 8 years I think of nothing before the trade to Buffalo.
8 years of being the best goalie outside the NHL in the czech league but that obviously hurts his chance of going 1st
I used to play Strat-o-matic hockey. In 1987, the best goalie of the cards was Dominick Hasek, who was a Blackhawks backup. We had no idea who he was.
He was good in his limited action in Chicago, although nobody thought he would become the best goalie of the 90's (and one of the best ever) at that point...
I'd have Lemieux at 3... his knack for timely goals/assists/hits/fights... it's just huge!
Claude was a hell of a player
Injuries got in the way of both Neely and Lafontain. Unfortunate for both extremely talented players.
Will be tough to do so since it's John Maclean the goalie and John McClane the character.
It's more likely to have Jim Carey star in 'Dumb and Dumber'.
Wondering about a 1984 redraft: which Quebecer goes #1, 66 or 33?
Tikkanen is a gem!
Shannon it would be great to do a video or a draft of the best guys never drafted.
Because Eddie the Eagle who wasn’t drafted should’ve been in this draft I think, and in this draft he could’ve been as high as third
By the way and in my opinion Dominik would have to be number one. Only because Dominik could be argued The greatest goaltender of all time. But I don’t think Steve Yzerman is in the same conversation for the greatest forward of all time
And they may be hard to compare because of their positions, but one could be in the conversation of top three goaltenders but I don’t know Stevie is in the top 10 forwards
What a draft year, and to think some of these players were drafted so low.
Reminder to some: most the Soviet players (or players in the union) didn't have choice about coming over, they simply weren't allowed to leave.
I'd have to drop a couple of the guys who took a BILLION penalty minutes down a few spots. At a certain point you're negating some of your other upsides and putting your team into too many tough situations to pass on a guy who produces almost the same and doesn't repeatedly put you at a disadvantage game after game.
Brian Bradley Leafs legend
you can replace a great centre with a few good players but nothing replaces great goaltending.
Neely does not erase the pain of a world without Yzerman in Detroit. 😅
You might be onto something with that John Maclean movie idea
Hey Hockey Guy can you let the Entertainment Guy know I watched severance because of him and it was really good!
Makarov is 25 in 1983. Most players are 17-18. I get he was drafted in 83. But, maybe he should be put in the 76 draft.
I like these redrafts but as a Kings fan I keep getting reminded that they didn't often draft in the first round bcuz they kept trading away their pick for some has-been.
Brian Bradley carrer video. And Nikoali Khabibulin.
The Buffalo Sabers had one at one point Dominic Hasekand Pat LaFontaine and the original Alex the Great
and them best defenceman was doug bodger =)
Are you doing the 1984 draft next?
Yeah I’ll have to go ahead and disagree. I’ll put Hasek number one myself. Two time Stanley Cup Champion to go with 2 Hart trophies, 2 Lester B Trophies and 6 Vezinas.
The way I see it as good as Yzerman was, I wouldn’t have him as a top 10 forward of all time. Whereas Hasek I have as top 3 Goalie of all time. Certainly the best Goalie I’ve ever witnessed in my 40 years.
The second Stanley Cup, in fairness, happened DESPITE Hasek's play.
So you didn’t watch hockey back then. It’s ok not everyone is old. But ya go back and watch some clips. Just because he didn’t show off doesn’t mean he wasn’t great.
@@luv2bbq I watched it plenty back then. I'm plenty old enough to remember the Wings all the way back to 95. The 08 Wings were stacked, and Hasek had a dominant regular season (at 43 no less) but he faltered early in the playoffs and Osgood took over and took them the rest of the way to the Cup. I believe Hasek is the greatest goaltender ever, but to this day it rubs me the wrong way how he retired after the 02 Cup run, causing the logjam in net after the Wings signed CuJo (another goalie I love). I don't know if they win another cup in 03, but man... I cant help but wonder.
Both hall of fame greats but if you get a chance to take probably the greatest goalie in nhl history vs a top 8-20 all time forward all time but never the best in his position at any point I'd lean goalie but hard to argue with nearly 700 goals hell of a runner up
Hasek is the best goalie to ever play the game, he goes over Yzerman for me quite easily.
Ed Belfour should have been part of this draft according to his age.. it's really hard to understand he wasn't drafted at all 🤔
You should do 1994 redraft, very deep draft with a lot of steals
Oh my
RIP Bob Probert and Peter Zezel.
If u don't do 89 soon
4 of 21 players, played for Sabres at some point. Some at the same time. 0 cups.
Buffalo Sabres become the most annoying team to play after this one … the city would love it.
Well second. Wings still got probert and kocur in this draft
I'm very happy you didn't give Lemiux to Detroit. That may have induced a temporary unsub 🤣
Honestly it's gotta be Hasek #1. Granted Sabre fan bias, but also, when you bring up the top forwards of all time, I rarely if ever, I honeslty can't think of a time someone brought up Yzerman. People bring up Bossy more than Yzerman and Bossy had a really short career. It doesn't mean he wasn't GREAT, he obviously was, but he's not a top 5 forward of all time. But if you say name the best Goalies of all time and Hasek isn't in your top 3 you're just not credible. So we're talking maybe a top 30 top 50 player vs a top 3 player at their respective positions.
Yay, Russ Courtnall didn't fall too far!