Emperor Palpatine - Martial Proficiencies & Weaponry (Legends)
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2021
- For those of you who do not know, because nonStar Wars fans who don't know still exist, shockingly enough, Emperor Palpatine, a.k.a. Darth Sidious, is the primary antagonist of the Star Wars saga, portrayed in live action by the stage actor Ian McDiarmid, and by various voice actors in the tie-in media, examples including Nick Jameson, Ian Abercrombie, Sam Witwer, and Tim Curry.
This breakdown of Emperor Palpatine's martial proficiencies and weaponry was not drafted for a match-up, but instead as a dedicated profile of Darth Sidious' lightsaber skills, specifically in pre-Disney Legends material; I am not discussing Sheev Palpatine.
For this reason, I will be taking Palpatine's appearances in the 2008 Clone Wars animated series into account, as the series is still pre-Disney. Furthermore, Palpatine is the one established character who isn't done dirty by TCW, his appearances reflecting well on him and actually adding to what we know, as opposed to retconning and replacing the existing lore with an inferior copy, as is TCW's usual trend.
This breakdown of Emperor Palpatine's martial arts will be emphasizing his direct combat feats and training, and will be drawn from the following sources, listed in chronological order:
Darth Plagueis, The Wrath of Darth Maul, the TCW episodes The Lawless and Sacrifice, Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir, Revenge of the Sith, Dark Times: A Spark Remains, The Force Unleashed, Return of the Jedi, and Dark Empire.
Background information on the Star Wars setting will be drawn from the following:
The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, The Complete Visual Dictionary, Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force, the Book of Sith, The Jedi Path, and the Jedi Academy Training Manual.
With all of that out of the way, let's begin.
Citations:
[03:09] - The Complete Visual Dictionary - Episode II: Attack of the Clones - Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Apprentice - Pg 82-83
[03:18], [03:59], [07:34] - Star Wars Insider 62 - Fightsaber: Jedi Lightsaber Combat (article) - Pg 20-37
[04:18], [04:25], [04:41], [07:49], [07:57], [08:02], [08:06], [08:11], [08:16], [08:20]. [08:33], [08:39], [08:46], [09:48], [09:56], [10:06] - Darth Plagueis
[07:20] - Labyrinth of Evil
[09:04], [09:09], [09:16], [09:21], [09:26], [09:30], [09:37], [09:41], [10:02] - The Wrath of Darth Maul
[12:59], [13:03] - Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (Adult novelization)
[13:42], [19:11] - Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (YA novelization)
[19:22] - Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader 
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A personal fan theory of mine is that in terms of raw developed skill and technique, Sidious is at the same physical level of skill as Maul. But his overwhelmingly greater power in the force allowed him both precognitive reflexes and raw force power to speed blitz opponents it never became an issue because except for Yoda Mace or Dooku no swordsman was superior to him enough to exploit the skill difference and even if they did he was so godlike with the force he didn’t need to be better. Like you said he mainly did it to humor opponents and he let that stagnate his abilities.
I agree 100%
I agree with this whole heartedly and love that you included Dooku as swordsman with superior skill to Sidious, too many people I’ve seen have disregarded his skill compared to Sidious.
@@colonelautumn5697 agreed especially with how dooku is suppose to be a big deal in terms of light saber dueling and the only ones before the likes of anakin and obiwan of episode 3 came around, yoda and mace were the only ones that could be able to defeat dooku in a lightsaber duel.
@@Jensaarai1 malgus would beat Palpatine people overrate his force powers, against force immersed fighters he would be left bare to his own strengths which wouldn't save him because he was a weasel at heart. Just want to know when you analyse malgus is it him from corusant sacking or from peak jedi/sith squad assassination malgus because I would say that emperor malgus had a unbreakable connection to the dark side that even Palpatine wouldn't be able to overpower his force shields and tank his force pushes.
@@Angelo-nd4lg I believe the older jedi and sith are a lot more powerful then the more recent jedi and sith because they had more knowledge and focused on lightsaber combat a lot more. That being said there's exceptions like luke, yoda, mace, darth vader etc and I believe Palpatine was one of them. He could've competed in a Saber battle with exar kun and was extremely powerful in the force. I think every time he acted like a weasel he was being deceitful to trick his opponents.
I never fully appreciated how much of a Naboo design aesthetic Palpatine's lightsaber has
Plagueis really drilled in that martial prowess hard and despite Sidious not really liking lightsaber combat his extremely proficient skill in it sure came in handy a lot. I respect that, Sidious isn't dumb enough to let personal preferences limit his choices in combat or (at least initially) arrogant enough in his force powers alone to think he can coast on them solely.
Sidious got his distaste for fencing from Plagueis. Plagueis himself did the bare minimum to be a lightsaber master as well as learning other combat forms. He did all that simply to cover his bases and was a wizard first and foremost.
@@kronos1794 I think Sidious is still a better swordsman than Plagueis, even though they're both primarily force wielders. Sidious seems to have more developed skill even though he just wants to show off, Plagueis doesn't really take it seriously at all.
@@jameswalzer9408 sidious specialised in form 6 and 7.
Though he mastered the other 5, he wasn't like obiwan with form 3.
@@trollzynisaacjohan1793 he still master all but he obiuvely got his perfence and it makes since he a speed blizter
@@trollzynisaacjohan1793 he was as rogue as a wizard can get. Always in the shadows always stalking and ever ready to unleash UNLIMITED POWAAAH!
This is just a personal theory on my part but I believe that Sidious’s digression as a lightsaber duelist had already begun between TPM and ROTS. As he was busy operating as both the chancellor to the republic and the Sith Lord and orchestrating the clone wars he had very little time to hone his skills besides his sparring with Maul who was presumed dead at that point. From there I believe that he coasted on force augmentation and the skills he knew by muscle memory until Mace Windu and Yoda both overwhelmed him in a lightsaber duel. After he became emperor and the Jedi were nearly wiped out Sidious ultimately turned to the path previously taken by Darth Traya and Valkorian and doubled down on force powers thinking he’d never find himself in another lightsaber duel again. And then Luke Skywalker showed up…
Unlike Sidious, Luke never assumed he would never encounter someone better than him post-ROTJ.
I like that theory. Like even if he had a private place to sleep I doubt he’d keep a boken or activate a spare saber to train when he was Chancellor.
@@AzayBae imagine the scene where the coffee person walks in, too just someone who's supposed to be in the old man spinning at the speed of light and shooting lightning LOL talk about giving away your cover
old man Palpatine went nuts from deadlines flooding his day. Things get even more exhausting when he has to train Vader. But in the time of A New Hope, he just needs to throw papers at Vader while he goes to a sunny beach.
Fascinating. Just earlier today I just rewatched your discussion with Evannova and Reti4 about how Palpatine is not invincible. And now this! It must be the will of the Force.
I did the same thing
Huh, not long ago I rewatched that video too.
I'd been looking forward to this without even knowing.
I rewatched that video around a month ago.
A lot of interesting points raised. Like darth Krayt beating ROTS Sidious.
I think Vititate/Valk could beat ROTS Sidious in a pure force duel.
I want to see Jensarrai1 do a darth Sidious vs darth Krayt. He is the only sith they mentioned who could take Sidious out 1 v 1.
@@biogerontology7646 vader did, valkorian probably could in his final body.
Han solo did.
Really hope for a breakdown of his force abilities. That's the video I'm most excited for.
What can't the Force do these days? xD
Force abilities: fry the living crap outta anything not rubber
Oh boy that one's going to be interesting: Sidious has been described as a living dark side nexus for the amount of power he has.
A verses match between Darth Sidious and Darth Krayt could be spectacular!
One of the few who actually stand a chance. I agree
If it's Vong Krayt, Sidious would probably win. If it's Reborn Krayt, then the fight could honestly go either way, but the odds of victory would favor Krayt.
@@muhdaqeel7330 agreed, armored krayt while still strong compared to others is still hampered by the armor and wouldn’t handle both the speed blitz of sidious lightsaber and the power of his force abilities. Reborn krayt on the other hand I think has an edge over sidious in the physical department, arguably a more skilled duelist and without the armor hampering him could keep up with sidious speed, and while I think sidious in terms of raw power in the force is above krayt, krayt isn’t that far off from him and does wield abilities to help him hold his own against sidious. My best guess at least.
I... have to give it to Krayt. While Paplatine is _the_ supreme master of the dark side, Krayt is on a similar level, so he could potentially tank Sidious' incredible power long enough to give Krayt an opening. When it comes to lightsabers, Krayt is better.
Still, I think it's extremely close so I don't know. Hope Jen likes the idea and eventually makes this match up.
I would be honored to duel Sheev.
I love that you cite all your sources. I wish all star wars channels did that. I subscribed, and I think I got some new reading material(:
Yes, they just make things up 😩
Thank you Jensaarai One for all the videos over the years. They came at a time when life was meaningless to me and not worth living, but your videos helped make it just interesting enough to stick around.
Thank you
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It suprised me that Sidious continued to carry his lightsaber after the events of ROTS. As after that he never really needed it, while also having a distaste for dueling.
I thought this way as well, but then it hit me.
What better way to further humiliate mere Jedi Knights scattered across the galaxy than to toy with and slay them with their own weapon instead of his true power? He may have a distaste for duelling, but he very much is a psychopathic sadist who revels in the ironic suffering of those underneath him.
He may not need it but the sick bastard certainly wants it, even if it's nothing more then a mere tool of execution to him.
What if he constructed one for special occasions on the rare occasion he could humor Jedi
@@darkarpatron Yeah that and its probably in the off chance he ends up finding someone who some IS a real threat/challenge to him or in case Vader decided to turn on him
@@DTheCritical Interesting idea, although since Vader was made purposely weak to Force Lightning, I always thought Palpatine would just shock him into submission if need be.
And the idea of someone matching Palpatine in Force power to the point he'd need to fight them Lightsaber to Lightsaber just to have the edge? Even more interesting. I'd like to see what kind of opponent would make Sidious inclined to favour the Lightsaber in earnest combat. I know Yoda came pretty close, bet Palpy would freak.
@@darkarpatron I am not saying ots likely but even Palpatine himself knows he's exceptional but he never knows who might get just enough training where he might need his full power (Luke and Starkiller are perfect examples of being a threat)
I think with his loss against Luke and Leia it's worth mentioning that just before their fight he summoned a force-storm which must have taken a significant amount of energy and he was in a ailing clone body. Given Lukes performances before and after Dark Empire I don't think DE Luke&Leia could beat him with any consistency, with their victory being very circumstancial, even though their special twin bond likely gave Luke a bigger amp than any ordinary battle mind.
Oh yes, Luke and Leia's win there was highly circumstantial. However, the point that Jen was making was that all those circumstances did was even the playing field in their force amplification and make it a contest of pure skill, in which Luke won. Not because he knows more techniques, but because his style is actually focused and made for combat, while Sidious let his skills atrophy and was flailing, letting muscle memory direct his movements.
Totally agreeing with you here, just to make that clear.
First time you've ever put a video centered on Sidious. Nice job.
However, I would stress that Sidious only lost to Mace Windu when the latter sensed Anakin in the building, unwittingly using the young Jedi's fear to tip the scales. And Lord Sidious himself played the helpless victim, smiling in triumph as Anakin sliced Mace's hand off. It is also mentioned in _Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader_ that Sidious' confrontation passed "without incident", meaning he had everything under control from the beginning.
Been waiting to see Jen talk about Palpatine again
Glorious. This review and it's attention to Darth Sidious as his skills, habbits, success and shortcomings are measured and recognized is simply glorious.
Connor, what are your exact thoughts on Palpatine’s survival in Dark Empire? Some argue it undermines Anakin’s sacrifice in ROTJ.
My hero!...... well.... my.... FAVORITE! 😁⚡⚡
Connor…you do outstanding work and I am so glad you’re back up and running these days. I can count on 1 (maybe 2) hands how many total RUclips comments I’ve ever left. I know that your videos have 3 of them. Thank you for your dedication and passion to go a layer deeper in the lore and provide this entertainment. There need to be more like you (and Evan too).
Magnificent video as always. You always do a good work and whenever one of your videos drops I find it to be a rare treat.
Always great to see a new video connor!
Is there gonna be a breakdown of Darth Sidious’ Force abilities as well?
Firstly can I just thank you for making this video. I have waited years for somebody to do a martial breakdown of Darth Sidious, and you sir have delivered. Seeing you dissect his fights and providing a breakdown of the actual techniques he used was much more interesting than the vague “he was a master of all seven forms.” This video proves it. I understand your gripe with Disney Canon, but what about his appearance in Lords of the Sith? He may not duel but we do get to see him brandish his lightsaber and, by all accounts, having a fun time doing so.
I never saw him as a Sith Assassin but it does make absolute sense, with him literally working from within the shadows to manipulate people and events as well as how he applies his abilities. Would most Sith Lords of the Rule of Two era fall under that category, since warriors and marauders would serve little purpose to the Grand Plan other than as blunt instruments, but that would risk exposure. I know Mother Talzin refers to Darth Maul as a Sith Warrior in TCW but was that more as generic title rather than a specific archetype? In that context is “Sith Warrior” the equivalent of the rank of Jedi Knight rather than the specialisation of Jedi Guardian?
I enjoyed this video so much I’m going to rewatch it right now
really great video hope to see more like this. Sidious has always been one of my favorite Sith Lords and his skills with the lightsaber are a sight to behold! would love another vs battle with him maybe even a team battle with him and Plagueis vs another team
4:06 forms and favorite moves
i luv the different sword styles
Sidious is a beast! I didn't know that his combat knowledge was so varied
He's basically the Darkside Yoda (although to his credit his raw talent and the comparatively better training Bane Era/RoT Sith get are major benefits over Yoda (Not to mention how inefficient of a fight Yoda himself is) .)
@@DTheCritical I find it strangely hilarious that Sidious knew so much about lightsaber forms, vibroblade combat, hand to hand, etc. and still chose to rely primarily on his Force abilities as Emperor. Ironic.
Love these videos man. Always put my right to sleep.
Thank you so much for continuing REAL Star Wars videos. I hate how so many channels give into disneys crap because it's called cannon, but I love that you understand them calling it Canon doesn't make it authentic star wars. Thank you for staying true to Star Wars!
May The Force Be With You, Always.
Well said!
This, a billion times ! So much mind numbingly stupid and bland garbage tailored for consoomers and handled by just as misinformed consoomers and clickbaiters.
What's infuriating about Disney Star Wars is just how shallow, flimsy and rule-of-cool dependant it is : The Mandalorian is just a bland western with cameos from TCW and Prequels. Rebels was too damn sanitized and its characters too irritating. The Bad Batch is a boring Dee Bradley Baker one man show. TCW, as fun as it is, relies too much on convenience. The comics are either a bland Vader wankjob, with ZERO interesting storylines or memorable characters, or they're overcompensating for how trash the sequels are. Sure, the Prequel stuff was mostly decent, but doesn't measure up to Dark Horse.
@@yrooxrksvi7142I find that many of the major comics and novels in the New Canon mainly exist to promote the next upcoming film, show, or game.
Good stuff! This was a break from your usual video style, but I enjoyed it all the same. Sidious doesn't appear in many versus match ups for obvious reasons, so it was nice to get a comprehensive profile of his appearances and out of movie story.
Beyghor Sahdett Is a character I think would be good for you to match up. He is an insectoid Jedi from the dark times comic) also has a cameo in the republic comic.) who survived order 66 and was skilled enough to casually kill non force sensitives( even by jedi standards) and he’s been in 3 lightsaber duels and only lost due to outside interference.( granted none of these enemies were top tier, but it’s nothing to sneer at. ) He was also capable with the force, at least on par with Ayla Secura or Ashoka in terms of combat output( though not exactly on par with creativity.) Fun fact, the species is hermaphroditic, so every view years he switched between male and female.( as he only appeared as male during his appearances, I think it’s ok to use he/him.)
I've been looking forward to this
I don't have a problem with Sheev Palpatine.
As his name. Everything else can go to hell, but the name is fine.
Always loved your content bro. I hope you keep it up.
Keep up the good work man great video
The fact that this video only has almost 7k views is criminal.
16:13 love how he said anakin skywalker
Nice to see ya back man
Vids like this really make ya miss the pre Disney days
Disney have no imagination, and they have such black and white views on everything, it's so dull
@@spongederp160 I am looking forward to a few of the upcoming tv series but it’s just hard to get too excited knowing all roads lead to that train wreck of a trilogy
A Malgus vs Sidious fight would be amazing. Holy fuck. Malgus has the battle experience and endurance to totally go the distance and he wouldn't be tactically led into traps like most of Sidious' victims were. It'd come down to blade work and to be honest.... I think Malgus can win that. Force powers is negligible cause they're both force rage masters and capable force maelstroms but wouldn't have the time and space in order to use either against each other. It'd be pure blade work. And it'd be fun as fuck to watch.
Absolutely fantastic video
Also oh absolutely Palpatine as a Force User is superior to him as a Duelist which is saying something because just how skilled he is with a Blade/Blades
Wasn’t expecting this profile to come out.
And Tim Curry playing Darth Sidious is mentioned. Nice. I think Tim does an excellent Sidious. Not the best Palp though.
Interesting that after yoda, sidious is next.
Some general points i have. The biographical format of a characters skill and development really shines with characters with long and established histories like Darth Sidious or Darth Vader. But for characters with less content to work with, I feel it drags things out to much.
And Darth Sidious training as a sith weapon master does make sense to me given that I would classify Darth Plague as a Sith Weapon Master.
Disagree that Darth Sidious is a Sith Assassin when because he is clearly a Sith Inquisitor.
Also, do you still rank Darth Sidious as a tier 3 swordsman?
Personally, I think he ranks as a tier 2. He clearly is more developed and well rounded than a tier 3 and contended well against Mace and Yoda but doesnt have their motivation for lightsaber combat, and his skill set was spread thin, leading to his skill to stagnate and lack the focus of his contemporaries.
I would argue perhaps Tier 1.5. He contended with Windu and Yoda and clearly had multiple reliable skills that were at an impressive degree. Most Tier 3's specialize in only 1 approach to fight any and everyone, whether style (Anakin, Kit Fisto) or tactics (Qui-Gon Jinn, Darth Zannah), or have a critical shortfall that undermines them from standing as Tier 2 (Asajj Ventress, Galen Marik).
Darth Sidious picked his battles carefully, managed to over-whelm several Tier 3 figures repeatedly, and could alternate between offense and defensive rolls; I honestly didn't recognize his habits for roving retreats or frequently creating a home-field setting before inviting enemies to fight him. Furthermore, Sidious could recognize his own short-comings and if disarmed or wounded, he would always escalate to the Force and grow more dangerous than he had been with a lightsaber. He was disarmed by Yoda, and Mace Windu was a far more enthusiastic warrior than Darth Sidious. Darth SIdious might not be Tier 1, but he was extremely varied and always had a high performance output, even is enraged or possibly deranged; somewhat akin to Azula in the Last Airbender.
Not a Tier 1, but definately above Tier 2's, leaving Tier 1.5 has a reasonable middle.
I would think he probably still is. He has limited combat and rarely practices, so that kinda holds him back. He's not tier 1 and probably isn't tier 2, tier 3 sounds fair. At the lowest he's probably low tier 3 (Eeth Koth/Adi Gallia/ Qui Gon Jinn level) and highest might be tier 2.5 (Anikan Skywalker/Ventress Level).
Late to reply but thank you so much for the heart Jensaarai1!!
I stand by my characterization of Palpatine as a Sith Assassin, as my belief is that Rule of Two Sith Lords start off training as Assassins and gradually transition into Sith Inquisitors.
As for Palpatine's rating, I place him as a Tier 3 with a Tier 1 modifier. Against anyone who isn't Tier 1, the versatility of his technique combined with his sheer output makes him almost impossible to engage, but against a true Tier 1, his thinly spread skillset becomes a problem. Ultimately, Palpatine doesn't take lightsaber combat seriously, and is only as good as he cares to be, not as good as he could be.
Absolutely agree that sidious is only as good as he cares to be. Your tier assessment is also really interesting. I’ve never thought about using a modifier with how someone is rated. I thought the system was a bit more rigid.
While the idea of the rule of 2 Sith training having heavy assassin component to it, that doesn’t mean their primary class is assassin.
Characters can have primary and secondary archetypes. Like Darth Malak is a mix of Sith Scientist and Sith Warrior (to me) but his primary class is Scientist due to him focusing most of his efforts on research and development of the Star Forge tech.
To me, Sidious primary class is Inquisitor and his secondary class is assassin.
Thank you for replying to my post jensaarai1!
I’m a simple man. I see Jensaraai1 post a video, I watch it asap.
i like lightsabers with ornate hilt designs and i can say that palpatines lightsaber hilts are fantastic for being both ornate and being made with lightsaber resistant materials that allow them to have great functional benefits
Our darklord has once again summoned me to watch another excellent analyzing video
Somehow, the dark lord has returned. ...Oh, and Darth Sidious is here, too.
@@bluehero-96 sidi who?
@@bluehero-96 Shhh the Rise of Skywalker is not real...
11:28 not sure I would agree on the whole begging for his life from maul unless he was begging for his life to be ended quickly because he knows what Sidious can and will do to him
LOL after every heavy hitter the Jedi had ever known failed to take him down.
Han took Palpatine out with his DL-44 lol
To be fair Palpatine was dying and his body was basically falling apart at that point but yes, I see the irony.
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.
Guess Han had a point.
Poetic. Palpatine thought he was a god with no equals, only to show that he's just as vulnerable as anyone else
Another great video .
I really do want to see your take on Palpatine in a versus video at some point.
Hands down Darth Sidious is the best Star Wars villain in history
I believe Darth Sidious took Darth Bane’s teaching to heart, mastering the Fast and Strong styles rather than the multiple forms favoured by the Jedi Order.
Fast style being a refined hybrid of Makashi, Soresu and Ataru
Strong style being primarily Djem So and Shien
Prior to his first death Sidious appeared to favour Fast style supplemented with Strong style blade locks and blaster deflection (Lords of the Sith). However following his rebirth on Byss and in a much younger body, he appeared to use the much more static Strong style, perhaps if nothing more than to humiliate Luke Skywalker and his use of Form V, since he appears to focus more on brute strength and blade locks rather than the acrobatics he favoured around the time of the clone wars.
But both Fast and Strong styles served as the stepping stones to his true form: Juyo
The Fast and Strong Styles aren’t hybrids of the forms. Bane himself in Legends used Soresu, Djem So/Shien, Juyo.
Really that Sidious fights in Dark Empire against Luke he contended fairly well by Force Based Physical Augmentation or more of a combination of also his great skill with the lightsaber?
He lost only because he was to say it, simply weak at that point. Both physically and mentally. He was unstable, basically dying. Had CW/ROTS or ROTJ Sidious fought Luke, he'd kill him as easily as Agen Kollar. Well, maybe not as fast, but Luke woukd die quickly nonetheless.
The only threats to Sidious in skills and power should be Yoda, The Skywalkers, Mereks, And Abeloth yeah
for skills you could also add mace but not for equal force power
I really enjoyed this. Though there's so many great characters to cover between the Old Republic, Galactic Republic, Empire, and post Empire, I'd love to see one Kit Fisto. Additionally: Do you feel the distinctions between Jedi Knight and Jedi Consular are all that necessary? I've always felt that Jedi Knights are more the intermediate Jedi still focusing on their combat development, while more advanced characters were the ones with a deeper force connection and better swordsmanship. I really think the distinction is more for the sake of videogame classes, rather than what we see in Star Wars.
I love that palpatine was ultimately killed by his own pride and relative nobodys. It was artfully done.
I like to think that at one point Sidious was the best duelist period, I think he merged all of the styles into a dedicated study of Juyo, giving him all the tools he will ever need to cover his bases while still remaining a master duelist
*Key word:* _Was._ Palpatine certainly got to that level, and impressively early, I might add, but he never maintained it. While this was, of course, partly because his lightsaber was stuck inside a sculpture for several decades, not to mention his limited free time as a result of his political career, I also feel that Palpatine only got to that level in the first place just to say that he had done so, with his desire to carry a lightsaber stemming from his use of it as an egotistical exercise rather than for a love of the craft.
Now I want to see a match up with Palpatine. Which I know can be difficult do to how powerful he is but I'll suggest a few matchups I had in mind.
Palpatine vrs Post Resurrection Darth Krayt
Palpatine vrs Revan
Palpatine vrs Darth Caedus
Caedus and Krayt would be great to see.
I think Krayt wins the first one in an incredibly brutal exchange.
The Revan vs Sidious is interesting because, if Revan survives Palpatine's devastating onslaught long enough, then he might outlast Sidious and pull a win. However, I think that the chances of that happening are a bit slim.
Hmmm, Caedus has greater raw power, but Sidious is a greater master of the dark side and the Sith arts in general. Could go either way.
Excellent!
This is gonna be fun!
I found it 2 days ago but in Battlefront Renegade Squadron he lashes out on Player and his allies at the end of the korriban mission with both his saber and force abilities
Excellent
Jensaarai doing a video on Palps.
Noice.
Boss you really need to rewatch the senate chamber fight, as you seem to fail to take into account where Yoda was standing on the edge of the senate pod and manged grab hold of the side. He fell when he lost his grip or did you miss the part where Yoda left claw marks on the pods side at the end of the battles climax as well as the fact that Palpatine's secretary was going to get backup. The way you word this makes it sounds like Yoda completely blasted out of the pod. Which by the way would have happened to Palpatine as well had he not been standing in the pod.
Well this went into a history lesson real quick...
Finally he’s back
That is what i love! Legends content.
Oh indeed, legends is great, even the wacky weird stuff is usually interesting
@Alec Jackman 58 (STUDENT) indeed we do, not all of legends makes sense, but its still made with love of the franchise.
I personally think both legends canon and Disney canon have some great moments, but I do agree the legends canon is better as it expands the lore of star wars, while Disney canon is clearly to restrained to the movies
@Alec Jackman 58 (STUDENT) same here, the Darth Vader comics are awesome
@@willsword8100 Crystal Star for example lol.
I was just watching a video of yours when this was posted.
Same
"An unexpected surprise but a welcomed one.".
Could you do Darth nihilus vs Darth jadis or possibly Lord scourge vs Darth Marr
Nihilus and Jadus would be awesome. 2 titans of power
I feel like they entire outcome of the fight rests on a single key factor: can Darth Jadus resist advanced aplications of Force Drain? Because if he can, then he beats Nihilus quite handily. If he can't, well...
Homie I know u like your videos to be in depth, but u can list your references at the end (or beginning if that turns u on) in text form. Great video btw 👌👌👌
So, what Tier would you put his martial abilities at?
Damn! In at 36 minutes? Let's go!
16:30 - Actually, what do you think about the "contradiction" between Dark Empire and the Chosen One prophecy which George Lucas confirmed to be true? Do you see a way to reconsile those? I don't know if my thinking is correct but personally, I think that Anakin did bring ballance as he started the beginning of the end for the empire and Sidious as well. After 4ABY he had to change decaying cloned bodies faster and faster and by that time his final death was inevitable no matter if he managed to posess Anakin Solo and I even think that deep down he knew that but just wanted to buy himself some time to destroy the Jedi once and for all and possibly find a new apprenrice who'd continue his vision for the galaxy.
Actually, that's my position to a tee.
THE EMPEROR HAS RETURNED!!!
I actually disagree with you on TCW sparing Palpatine from dumb retcons and bullshit-ery. Palpatine is supposed to be a master manipulator, but the jedi in TCW are such airheaded idiots that Palpatine gets away with everything far too easily. Palpatine becomes the one-eyed king in a land of the blind.
Oh, and Palpatine, the guy who is leading a galactic government and has eyes on him nearly 24/7, can somehow sneak off Coruscant in the core worlds, go to Mandalore in the outer rim, beat up Maul and palette-swapped Maul clone OC (do not steal), and sneak back to Coruscant without raising suspicion. Naw. That should have been Dooku vs Maul and palette-swapped Maul clone OC (do not steal). Well, actually it should have been just Dooku and palette-swapped Maul clone OC (do not steal), but I digress.
Lol a Palette swapped Darth Maul.
@@bluehero-96 I can't see why he couldn't have come up with a pretense for leaving Coruscant. Perhaps something diplomatic/political. He could have used a body double to fool his watchers. He is also much more well versed in deception and misdirection than his jedi counter parts. That was the biggest strength of Banite lineage. So him being able to do this isnt unrealistic to me. As for Dooku, he could have fought Maul but he was in the middle of waging a war. To add to that, this was personal for Palpatine as Maul was HIS former apprentice. Now i understand if you arent fully on board with this. So i'd like to give an example of what he could have done.
Palpatine hears of Maul's exploits. He takes action by coming up with a pretense for leaving Coruscant. A diplomatic mission in the Outer Rim. Somewhere in galactic frontier. The ''goal'' of the mission could be him (his body double) attempting to mend relations between the Core Worlds and the Outer Rim by addressing the economic and social injustices felt by the people. During this time all of his servants operate on a need-to-know basis.
He later finds an opportunity to swap places with his body double. Perhaps even using the dark side to dull the senses of his watchers or to make the process smoother. He uses a hidden shuttle to travel to Mandalore. He puts his former apprentice in his place and later has him moved to Stygeon Prime. After that he returns to his body double and swaps places for the last time. He then makes his way back to Coruscant. I know this is very vague and you could probably find problems with it but im just trying to convey (in a general sense) how Palpatine might have acted to make his attack on Maul be possible (and not be caught red handed). I could go into the nitty gritty but at that point i'd be making an overly long and downright horrible fanfiction (relative to what i've already written at least.)
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Well, hey! At least you put more thought into the consequences of your writing than the fake cowboy.
Would Exar Kun stand enough of a chance for a Versus video to be worth it between him and Sidious, or would Kun get stomped despite his own skill and power?
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Who’s a good opponent for Darth Marr? Of his era only Jadeus and Malgus were true equals and Vitiate was his only superior . Arcann or Vaylin might pose a challenge with the force but in lightsaber combat i don’t see it. Darth Bane or Plagueis would be interesting…
0:50 - Though as legends never mentiones Palpatine's name and if Disney will ever allow EU being continued again as a parallel universe they deffinitely will use his new canon name if they mentione it at all. So, I think it's ok to consider Palpatine as Sheev Palpatine in legends universe as well.
Wasn’t he first named Sheev in the novel “Tarkin” by James Luceno? I assumed that novel (as it was one of the first to be published after the Disney acquisition) was written to be tied to the EU as it often references characters and events from TCW, just as Luceno’s previous Star Wars novel “Darth Plagueis” had. I see that novel as fitting in with both new Disney canon and the later years of legends continuity, so to me he has always been Sheev. In the Darth Plagueis novel Palpatine tells Plagueis that he refuses to be known by the name his father gave to him, instead going solely by the Palpatine family name instead. I honestly think less people knew Palpatine’s first name than the amount of people that knew he was a Sith Lord. In fact off the top of my head I can only think of two people: Tarkin and Gallius Rax.
This is where the fun begins..
What do you know about the Legends Broken Gate martial art?
Somehow, Palpatine earned...
Himself another clone body.
Babe wake up, new Jensaarai One
Cao Cen Darach and Satelle Shane vs Ven Zallow and Arryn Leneer. Wolf Sazen vs Quinlan Vos. Wolf Sazen and Shado Vao vs Darth Krayt. Darth Marr vs Darth Sion. Lucien Draay vs Antares Draco. Kit Fisto and Ayala Secura vs Quigon Jinn and Tahl( battle of the couples.)
Oh good, you finally acknowledge that Yoda disarmed Palpatine in a lightsaber duel.
But wasn't it said, that Palpatine just tossed it away during the fight?
Sidious might just be a tier 3 swordsman.
Yeah he's definitely at the council master level. The main issues are he's over reliant on the force and he doesn't practice consistently so he can't really improve past the level he's already attained.
@@jameswalzer9408 He's no better than Maul. Maul is tier 3.
@@TheSunStudio1 Maul has more combat experience and practices more, but Sidious has a broader knowledge base. I know it might controversial to say, but Maul may be a tad bit higher because of that, but both are in Tier 3 for sure. Maul is probably similar in skill level to Kit Fisto or Ki Adi Mundi, Sidious is probably similar in skill to Qui Gon Jinn or Eeth Koth. That's just my opinion of course.
@@jameswalzer9408 hence why he relies on form 6.
He uses force bases attacks in combat to defeat better duelists.
Everything matters not just saber skill.
Um not he tear 1 but not the highest trear 1 I mean he butcher 3 master in less the 3 minutes
i would argue that Count Dooku was also a character that TCW didnt 100% screw up, he's a victim of the plots of the various episodes (cough cough that episode where he's captured by pirates), not his skills, as there are several episodes in which his skill level is consistent.
He shouldn't battle Anakin and Kenobi at once between Episodes 2 and 3 but they did it in the show, despite Kenobi outright confirming that the duo fights Dooku for the second time over Coruscant. It would be fine if they had made Dooku vs Anakin only (which ther even is at some point) or Dooku vs Kenobi only, but not the damn duo, it contradicts the movies.
So many star wars stories they could bring to the big screen or make into a TV series.... but not under Disney.
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Emperor Palpatine is the G.O.A.T of Star Wars!
Song at 7:54??
Love the use of the halo soundtracks.
It ain't a jensaarai video without halo
I thought Palpatine’s power was exaggerated in legends, then I read the new Vader comics😭
Why would you do that? If you're going to kill your braincells, do something fun.
@@bluehero-96 what do mean, he rips Vader's legs off literally.
He then dominated a creature the size of a star destroyer.
Vader could only achieve that level through rage or focus.
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That story in particular is shallow referential garbage. Vader gets bested by The Emperor way too easily, and even unarmed, Vader should be able to drop royal guards with ease, but they give him trouble to set up a contrived scene to start a nonsensical plot. The Emperor "punishment" or "trial" is fucking stupid. After leaving Vader for dead, the latter gets temporarily droid limbs. Which is neither cool or makes sense. Then Vader finds his old jedi starfighter, just sitting there like he parked it yesterday. It's been 20+ years, that thing would be salvaged, scavenged, or destroyed within a few years. As would have been the CIS remnants. The hyperdrive ring is also still there, and ticking, which is also stupid. Do you get the point? Basing a story on references and rule of "cool" doesn't make it good.
@@bluehero-96 except vader isn't angry. He's seriously conflicted between the dark and light.
Weakening his grasp on his force powers.
Vader is only stronger beyond his typical 80 percent when very angry or focused.
Aka when he picked palpatine up and threw his bony arse in a reactor.
Dumbest thing about was the exogol tie in.
Felt uncessary and a cheap way to amend bad writing.
Though I no longer feel it serves a purpose to trash the sequels.
They're not great but they're entertaining for what they are.
@@bluehero-96 Though I liked some elements (emphasis on "some") of the Vader comics, they are ultimately sustained by references and character hype more than plot.
PS: when they referenced TROS when I ceased to read them entirely. Being reminded of Disney Canon's Magnum Opus of absolute trash is not what I have in mind when reading about Darth Vader.
I got an interesting new idea, have a random character in fiction be thrown into the star wars universe and say weather or not theyll survive it.
1. Can Ganondorf Survive the star wars universe
2. Can Superman Survive the star wars universe
3. Can Doomslayer survive the star wars universe
Darth Sidious vs Darth Krytt or Grandmaster Luke
Yes I always thought of Darth Sidious Darth Krayt and Darth Bane as the most powerful Sith.
Jen,are you a fan of dark empire?
It seems to me alot of people completely hated the idea of Plapatine returning in DE.
The reason people hated palpatine returning in the Disney one was because of how it was mishandled. If palpatine was going to be introduced then it should have been planned from the very beginning. Like if they revealed that snoke was secretly palpatine all along, which wasn't the case. Unfortunately the sequel trilogy just kind of made things up as it went along and tried to appease the fans by bringing the emperor back at the last moment
@@timothyeckard5182 Exactly. It wasn't built up. I myself, before I got into the EU, was initially confused and thought it was somewhat hypocritical, since both Dark Empire and Episode 9 brought Palpatine back, but I didn't realize that DE built the foundations and explained why. Episode 9 didn't.
I thought Dark Empire was some of the weakest in the original Legends content in the sense that it was bland, recursive and kinda made Vader's sacrifice pointless. Also the power scaling of Palpatine in that series is bonkers and there's some weird storytelling decisions.
Is it better than Rise of Skywalker? Absofuckinglutely. I would no doubt take an adaptation of Dark Empire over what we *did* get. But based on my casual perusal of the post-RoTJ Legends content I'd put Dark Empire well under the Dark Horse Legacy comics, the Thrawn Trilogy or Legacy of the Force.
@@wristofkings Not really. Vader's sacrifice meant that Luke could live to rebuild the Jedi Order and the Empire would splinter into pieces and the power vacuum would allow the New Republic to form. And that's what happened in the EU.
I used to hate it. Then Episode 9 showed me how much worse it could have been. Now it doesn't seem so bad.
0:50 So is that a thing why is post Disney palpatine just called sheev I’m confused
Back when a Palpatine dosen't Hi-Jack the Skywalker &/or Solo Linage.
The Tarkin novel first called him Sheev Palpatine and that was early on the Disney canon
When was he voiced by Tim Curry?
The last few episodes of TCW Season 5 and 6
You know what would have been awesome in The Rise of Skywalker? Rey and Ben’s final battle with Palpatine having both lightsaber combat and Force powers.
Still wouldn't have saved that godawful ending and the entire trilogy as a whole, but would have made the climatic battle more visually appealing to me
By how many views you got, u can tell people arent used to getting Palpatine videos from you. Could we please get a Palpatine vs Revan or Palpatine vs Caedus? Hes the only main character u havent done a vs video on. Thx.
Ah, that wouldn't be bad though I see no point in him making Palpatine vs Caedus video. Caedus is much more suited to be compared to Vader not Palpatine. As it's uncear whether Vader would actually be defeated by Caedus (though I know many prople say he likely would), it's absolutely certain that ROTJ and even DE or ROTS Sidious would wipe the floor with Caedus. Simmilarly with Revan. However, Palpatine vs Vitiate and Palpatine vs Krayt videos is something i really hope for.
I know you said this breakdown isn't specifically for a matchup, but don't see why this couldn't be put towards a future Sidious vs Krayt video.
Wait... so you're considering pre-Disney TCW to be Legends adjacent now?
I think jensaarai once said it’s a case by case basis. He will use TCW plo koon but no Vader
@@robertgeorge4602 Well, I know that a lot of people object to the retconning of Maul's death and how he was used in TCW, to the point of only considering his TPM and prior version part of Legends.
Connor seemed to voice that same dissatisfaction before (he pretty much only used Savage Oppress in a matchup so he could rant about what a shitty and malformed character he is) so to see him use TCW/Son of Dathomir Maul is a little surprising. I'm not gonna hold it against him though.