Versus Strikezone: Exar Kun Vs. Darth Maul (Masters of the Saberstaff)
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- Опубликовано: 5 апр 2018
- I will be doing the post-mortem analysis for both characters as a seperate video, as the inclusion of that segment is turning my short form videos into long form videos. Also, doing it as a separate video allows me to go into more detail.
My analysis of Exar Kun will draw from his appearances in the Dark Lords Of The Sith and The Great Sith War arcs of the Tales Of The Jedi series, with background details drawn from Jedi Vs. Sith: The Essential Guide To The Force, the original Essential Guide To Weapons And Technology, the Knights Of The Old Republic Campaign Guide, among others.
My breakdown of Darth Maul is intended to be completely void of any connection to the Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated series, and so will be drawn purely from pre-2008 Legends material. I will be drawing from his appearance in Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace, its novelization, comic adaptation, and visual dictionary; the Expanded Universe novel Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter and the included short story, Darth Maul: Saboteur; the Dark Horse comic miniseries Darth Maul; the comic shorts Nameless and Marked, both presented in the Star Wars: Tales anthology series;the New Essential Guide To Characters; and the Threats Of The Galaxy Campaign Guide.
Retconning his backstory from simple Iridonian Zabrak to Dathomirian Nightbrother reduces him from a diamond-in-the-rough prodigy to a manufactured product of selective breeding, and changing his Sith tattoos into Nightbrother clan sigils takes what should be a symbol of his personal dedication to Sith ideology and turns it into a mere slave brand. The writers of TCW were clearly attempting to give Maul's character depth and significance, but what they achieved was the opposite, reducing him to a self-important tool in the hands of a lesser villain.
To hell with that, Legends all the way.
And with all of that out of the way, let us being: Exar Kun, renegade Jedi turned Sith revivalist, and Darth Maul, the warrior-assassin trained from birth. If these two noted duelists, masters of the saberstaff, were to meet in single combat, who would win?
[03:31], [03:47], [04:22], [14:52], [15:48] - Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, Pg 153 - The Sith: Agents of Evil - Exar Kun, Dark Lord of the Sith
[04:42], [14:37] - The Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology, Pg 58 - Melee Weapons - Exar Kun's Lightsaber
[06:09], [06:35], [17:45] - Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, by Michael Reaves - Chapter 19
[06:43] - The New Essential Guide to Characters, Pg 117-118 - Darth Maul
[06:49] - Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, by Michael Reaves - Chapter 1
[06:58] - Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, by Michael Reaves - Chapter 30
[07:21], [07:33] - Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, by Michael Reaves - Chapter 31
[17:55] - Threats of the Galaxy Campaign Guide, Pg 81 - Sith Apprentice - Darth Maul
[18:02], [19:10] - Fightsaber: Jedi Lightsaber Combat, article - Lightsaber Combat Through The Star Wars Saga - The Phantom Menace
[19:40] - Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, by Michael Reaves - Chapter 15
[24:09] - Jedi Vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force, Pg 169 - Part Four: The Sith - On Selecting Apprentices
"With his SITH tattoos..." EMPHASIS
"And is specifically distinguished by his full-body *Sith* tattoos."
I lost it.
Im looking forward to your post-moterm analysis for Exar Kun. But honestly, I feel like the verdict is a tad obvious. Kun def outclasses Maul as a force wielder by a huge degree. But I'm interested to see what happens. As for that Maul roast, well deserved. But to give TCW Maul some credit where its due, Sam does one hell of a performance.
This fight is always a countdown to Kun getting annoying and unleashing the Force. No question. Maul’s Edge in the saber realm is slight and questionable. While Kun’s power is obscene even by the standards of other Dark Lords of the Sith, much less a pawn like Maul.
So it's basically a countdown until Kun throws a temper tantrum and pulls a Starkiller.
I love the way you start with force powers in this segment which cleanly transitions into swordsmanship
Thank you for being the only other person on RUclips to leave TCW out of Legends themed videos
@Wes Bradley-Taubner depends who you ask. Dave Filoni has been known to be disrespectful to other writers and their work. So he would always contradict other people's creative work while being the show runner for TCW. The EU was widely accepted as Canon by most who knew of it until Filoni did his thing. Depending on who you ask, he was the original Kathleen Kennedy. Me personally, while I genuinely enjoy TCW, I feel there was no reason he couldn't merge the EU into what he was creating, instead of discard it, or blatantly be an asshole to other writers who had already established stories. I kinda just go with my own headcanon at this point, the whole star wars lore continuity has gotten so messed up since Disney came along that I just say to each his own
@@joshmorris2853 I’d say he’s better than Kathleen Kennedy by a wide margin.
Had it not been for your channel I wouldn't have seen the damage Dave filoni has done to the multimedia project.
"To hell with that; Legends all the way." - Jensaarai1
Well said brother, well said!
I've got to admit, while I see where you're coming from with Maul's retcon in The Clone Wars, I actually prefer his modern characterization as it makes his previous stories better for me since it means those stories were Maul in his element before Kenobi took his chance at glory away from him, turning him into a mad dog with delusions of grandeur.
I think before his defeat on Naboo, Maul was focused on the Sith grand plan but became laser focused on retribution and that crippled him greatly.
TCW gave Maul way more depth than Legends ever did.
So basically, Kun plays with Maul for a bit and then blasts him to oblivion. Even still, I'm grateful we got the matchup, not just because putting Maul in his place is fun but because it's been requested SO freaking often. As always, love the videos, especially the post-mortem analyses...seeing those in more detail should be a great time.
Some requests:
Plo v. Jerec
Mara Jade (Emperor's Hand) v. Agen Kolar
Darth Vader v. Kas'im
Zayne Carrick v. the Grand Inquisitor
Tholme v. Eeth Koth
And, as always...
Darth Vectivus v. Master Faye
+Evan Kun would maul him. Though std lightsaber Kun vs staff Maul without force abilities is very close and I would probably side with Maul. As for your matches:
Jerec because hax force abilities + >force power (dueling wise its Plo's game). After all, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
I have no idea what exactly emperor hand Mara covers. Is that Mara up to Dark Empire? either way, probably going with her.
Vader anyday. While Kas'im is def a sword master who can give Vader a really solid challenge, Vader's force abilities ftw.
Zayne's prob manipulation is pure hax. Would allow to asspull a win.
Probably Koth but Tholme would flee and survive.
Done this a couple of times but this is my fav verdict, Vectivius seduces Faye.
Mm I think Kun would still take it, even handicapped that badly. He's a more balanced duelist, and I'd argue that trakata would actually work better with a single than a dual saber. I could definitely see Maul winning, as that would be a good equalizer, but I wouldn't give him a majority.
Mara up to DE, yes, basically before she really swears off Palpatineism.
Kas'im definitely goes down if Vader opens up with the Force--if Kas'im can't end it within a few seconds, he won't win. But do you think he'd be able to end it sooner?
And yes, as always, Vectivus seduces Faye.
+Evan Fair enough concerning that. My idea with Maul taking majority is his unarmed skills making up the diff.
Ok this Mara up to DE, likely her. Her weapons provide more options, and could force cloak for assassination (though circumstantial win). +tricks like force stun and I think lightning helps.
I don't think Kas'im could end it soon enough because of Vader's durability. Sith alchemy forged heavy armor and has been shown going through a lot of punishment. Kas'im has a shot of pulling it off (especially if he opens with dual blades), but I don't see the odds in his favor.
I could see him getting a definite advantage with the martial arts, but Kun's no slouch there, either. Anybody who can plant that beautiful wheel kick shown here a few times, I'd trust in a hand-to-hand fight.
Agreed on Mara, and I'd definitely put my money on Vader, too, at the end of the day.
+Evan Bless the wheel kick. Kun is no slouch in hand to hand but I favor Maul at the end of the day.
Agreed. Maul is a badass, but Kun is operating on a whole other level.
Agreed.
A fully powered exar kun would be universal+ he also got a power boost from marka ragnos that's bestowed by all sith lords that get baptized, kun also devastated the surface of musterfar and the author tom veich confirmed that exar kun is similar to emperor papaltine reborn not as powerful but very close both exar kun and papaltine reborn are described by luke Skywalker in his prime as the biggest focal point AKA force nexus of the dark side he ever seem, the source escalate that if the jedi didn't stop exar kun in time he would have become too powerful, the source say the the ritual exar kun performed would had made him all powerful if it weren't for the jedi interruption. exar kun mastered all sith magic archemy and many rituals, he mastered all 7 lightsaber form and mastered skills from ancient times create by tulak hord and the jedi exile, exar kun possessed the dark holocrom which had the acknowledged of over 10,000 years of sith magic archemy rituals lightsaber skills, the source stated that exar kun was the galaxy greatest threat 4000 years before the birth of luke Skywalker, Leia also say exar kun weakened spirit was more powerful than a prime luke Skywalker. Tom veich confirmed that exar kun is similar to emperor papaltine reborn in raw force power potential acknowledge and skills in the force. Tom veich confirmed on his Twitter that exar kun is similar to emperor papaltine reborn in raw force power potential acknowledge and skills
then why do i hear people say that revan was tougher than exar kun?
@@kagamiuchihathebeast5862 Because of the Star forge Darth Malak quote, where it's said that his a worse threat than Exar Kun
+Jensarrai1
Warning: this is going to be a long one.
Im finished, time for thoughts. While I am once again impressed by your ability to analyze the mechanics and styles of SW characters (like giving a solid breakdown on Kun's weakness), not to mention your ability to roast TCW, I feel this matchup was somewhat obvious on who would win and feels like a mismatch. But maybe this is due to me being a Kun fan so fair warning.
Force abilities: Obviously Kun gets the edge and the idea that he won't use force abilities until someone else does it first is something I greatly agree with. Kun's greatest joy is to upstage everyone and be the star. If he sees someone whose first response is force abilities, Kun will use force abilities just to show he can do it better. Worth noting he penetrated the force defenses of Odan Urr who is stated to be the Yoda of his era (with tk or sorcery though, I have no idea). In order to pull this off, Kun's force power is def tier 1 while Maul is Ventress-Kenobi levels. While Kun never used force lightning, there isn't anything saying that he can't and the minute he uses any of them, RIP Darth Maul (and most people in gen because Kun is hax).
Physical capabilities: Im totally fine with Maul getting the edge because he is a fully realized living weapon and martial artist.
Dueling: Maul's physical combat techniques is always something I feel people forget about and how much of an advantage gives him. Teras Kasi provides Maul with more attack vectors of tier 1 skill no to mention ability to fight in clinch and on the ground if needed. Single bladed Kun vs Maul is close but I lean to Maul due to Teras Kasi and higher offensive performance level. But saber staff Kun=gg.
21:30 Two things worth mentioning about that. 1st, this is a two way street. Maul's foundation in Jar Kai +niman means this advantage works for Kun as well. 2nd, Kun's mastery of Niman is simply at a higher level than Maul. Maul has had rigorous training, but I think Kun has > natural talent, and was more dedicated while Maul had Teras Kasi+Juyo training to worry about. But this is really subjective.
21:45 Yeah, I really disagree with this. Vodo is considered to be the Mace Windu of his era (tells you something about his skill) and Kun has been confirmed besting him in sparring matches. Also, as pure duelists, Ulic or Vodo>Jinn or Bondara.
In my opinion, Maul with his saber staff against std blade Kun would be a Maul win but it would be a close bloody bout. The problem for Maul is that Kun is simply operating at a higher level+hax. Really interested in your tier breakdown on Kun (Maul is going to be tier 1.5 physical, tier 2 in the mold tier 3 duelist, and tier 3 force weirder for overall tier 3 ranking). But these are always engaging. As for a vs matchup (and a serious one for once)
Kar Vastor vs Lord Nyax
Exar Kun vs Darth Krayt (someone do this one already!!!)
Actually got a joke matchup:
Jerec vs Spanish Inquisition
Agreed on the rather obvious verdict...I'm grateful for the video, though, if only to shut up the Maul fanboys who keep requesting it. Kun is firmly Tier One, and outmatches many people--Zannah, Katarn, Shan, Windu, etc.--who fall on the lower end of that tier. His dueling feats are definitely understated here, as the people he's overcome are easily compared to the best of the Jedi in Maul's era. Maul, by contrast, I wouldn't put anywhere above Mundi or Fisto (Tier 2.5) on his best day (also where I put Legends Ventress). He's a Tier Two waiting to grow into his big-boy pants, but he hasn't gotten there yet.
Vastor...but also, damn.
Krayt, moderate edge.
If Jerec knew they were coming, he'd win...but no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
+Evan I'm grateful for any Jensarrai1 matchup, but I agree with your points. Thanks for your thoughts on my matchups, but that Vastor vs Nyax one really got me interested. 2 juggernauts, 1 corrupted by nature the other by machine. Either way, it will be a brutal bloody battle.
As for the Jerec matchup, its true...no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! But I do agree on some of the last few matchups are too one sided compared to greyjedi91 and evannova95 selections. In my opinion, I miss the old ghost vs tank matchups you had.
Yes, Vastor and Nyax I agree. Hell, maybe a battle royale with people like Savage, Krell, Warb Null, etc. might be fun--take away their weapons and let them fight it out, or even keep the weapons and see what happens.
+Evan Originally I had Savage vs Vastor but I switched over to Nyax due to his looks, and an interesting take on the machine vs nature matchup.
I know the novel has been released after 2008 but I can't remember of any contradictions to the pre TCW Material when it comes to Maul Lockdown. It has been years since I've read Shadowhunter but I think Lockdown fits in very well with the old material, while connecting to novels like Plagueis and Cloak of Deception. You also get an appearence of a Vong and the direct prehistory to the game Bounty Hunter. This and that the writing is above well beyond average make it a must read in my opinion.
You should consider giving it a try JenSaarai.
Thanks for the great Versus, as always!
I love and agree with your breakdown on the Retcon of Darth Maul. Those TCW assholes should have never been given the ability to overwrite canon they should have had to follow the EU rule of keeping everything consistent
YES!!! Bring forth the Nerd Rage Ranter!!!
Calling it. Exar Kun. Will edit depending on verdict.
I agree, Exar Kun has, imo, every edge on Maul
Sadly I agree as much as I fav Darth maul, this vid versus was one-sided before anyone said anything i totally see kuns advantage... totally a bummer..
I love these post mortems! Great idea, great execution!
Excellent video! Love the breakdowns of these two characters
Awesome video man. Really well researched and analyzed.
Excellent video I can't wait for the post-mortem analysis.
Given the subtitle, I was more expecting their physical combat abilities alone to be analyzed. If you throw Force powers into it, it becomes a foregone conclusion.
I do like that you took some time to explain why Legends Maul is the better version of the character. And as always, thanks for making and sharing this.
We all know you hate the Disney Canon like Tybalt hates the Montagues, but I’m curious if you’ve read the more recent Maul comic. It’s definitely more in line with his TCW personality but I think you’d enjoy it more than TCW itself
WoodstockProd the Marvel Darth Maul comic series was good, I certainly enjoyed it more the second time. I also think it wouldn’t interfere with his legends stories of that time period. Son of Dathomir is also a great read, I’m kind of gutted it’s not part of the tv series.
I enjoyed the first run of the Disney canon Maul comics. Really liked Eldra Kaitis, she could be interesting to use in a match-up. And this comes from a staunch Disney canon hater.
@@ariesstorm9577 it is. Dave filoni himself confirmed the series to be in part of TCW
I agree, the recent Marvel Darth Maul comics were actually pretty good, and if it wasn't for the direct ties with TCW (Cad Bane, non Force sensitive Aurra Sing, the Weequay pirates on the flying saucer), they would pass off unnoticeably as part of the EU. I also really liked the Twilek Padawan Eldra Kaitis, while she's no Anoon Bondara, she put up a pretty damn good fight against Maul.
@kobeftw2400 I don't mind him, even if they let him get away scot free too easily because of plot convenience, but he's clearly a watered down substitute to Durge.
Man, 2 of the coolest dark siders going at it is such an awesome thing to think about. Got to hand it to you Jensaarai you sure know how to grab my attention with a title.
I for the most part like the canon/legends maul equally, but I admittedly hate that they took away his time at kordis academy and making his sith tattoos nightbrother marks. Otherwise love both versions
Zachary Shepard while obviously not official and purely personal speculation, I am working on a way for both versions of Maul to better fit together.
One example is how Sidious obtained him. He stole Maul from Talzin but told Plagueis that Maul was a gift from a Nightsister he met at the capital city. Basically the version we see in the Darth Plagueis novel is a lie that Sidious tells Plagueis, while Son of Dathomir gives the true account.
Any books that refer to him as an Iridonian I will ignore and imagine it says Dathomirian (much like in Darth Bane Path of Destruction Sirak is labelled as a user of Vaapad when in fact it should say Juyo).
His Nightbrother markings were removed by Sidious using Sith sorcery sometime after he destroyed the Orsis Academy but replaced with black Sith tattoos shortly before he constructed his saberstaff. The Sith tattoos allow Maul to be mistaken for a Nightbrother.
I am still working on a timeline but I am guessing the canon Darth Maul comic series takes place just before the legends comics and novels.
@@ariesstorm9577 for me maul was never meant to be a SITH LORD so tcw gave him whole arcs of character development and made him take over mandalore through cunning, planing, cerebral to the point where SIDIUOS recognized him as a problem that had to be dealt right then not to mention that badass fight he really had the ideals of a true SITH LORD not just an assassin , tcw gave the man a lot of respect for me respect is way more important than where his tats came from or who he was raised with
Your commentary on Maul's retcon was phenomenal word-smithing.
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My hunger is temperably satisfied you and Evan nova 95 are taking to long lol,just kidding I know it takes time to put together a vs vid,so thanks for the good entertainment you got my support. Big bunch is me peace brother.
The purpose of this video, I feel, is to demonstrate the thoroughness of Kun's skill set and the dearth in Maul's. The difference between a Sith Pretender and a true master. It succeeded.
A stomp battle. Exar Kun has the advantage in everything apart from Physique.
Can you try Mace Windu vs Jaina Solo.
That would be a good fight, but Jaina is a better duelist and Force wielder than Windu. She wins.
I personally think they're equals in both fields.
They’re definitely close, but I’d say Jaina is better considering she was able to keep up with Darth Caedus (although he was slightly hindered).
Force power, Jaina has an edge, but only slightly.
Depending on who you ask, Caedus isn't that great of a duelist. DarthAnt66 provided an explanation on why he things Jaina Solo is just a mediocre duelist.
I'd personally favor Mace because of his sabers advantage.
TheNuisanceBird I agree.
It's been a longtime coming..😎
Doesn't this also sort of muddy the water with the Darth Plagueis novel, Talzen is mentioned when Palpatine is is giving Maul by his mother while he's on Dathomir (I like the idea that it was a lush jungle compared to the desolate world it was presented as in TCW and Jedi fallen order) so yeah Legends had story way better compared to what Disney is doing.
But in The Plagueis Novel And In Labyrinth Of Evil it was implied that Maul was meant to be a top tier sith assassin plus Mauls Mother was A lesser Nightsister then Talzin in Legends with only one half brother named Feral no Savage though yeah.
@@matthewmann8969 Okay I must have been misremembering it it's been a bit since I've read the book.
Exam Kun vs Darth Zannah. Zannah is the only other user of the saberstaff of their caliber. Plus her use of magic is comparable to Kun.
The issue is Zannah is a one trick pony. As a Niman master we have to assume Kun would figure out Zannah’s Soresu and start using Makashi or Juyo
I completely agree Jen. Hope you consider to do something like Darth Nihl vs. Darth Maul or Dass Jennir vs. Kento Marek for the Strikezone. Otherwise good vid.
Looked at title,
My guy, this is the *biggest* stomp on your channel.
Love this video Jensaarai.
We need some more Darth Krayt and Exar Kun vs battles.
In fact, Exar Kun vs. Darth Krayt would be AWESOME two very powerful Niman masters
Great video! I've got a childhood soft-spot for Darth Maul that just demanded that I click on the video, I wasn't disappointed.
I'd love to see a revisit to Darth Plagieus vs Yoda, as your analysis of the two has evolved significantly. That said, I am a bit of a Plagieus fanboy (not to the point where I think he's more powerful than Sidious, of course) and any Plagieus content is more than welcome in my eyes.
welcome back, always prefer ur take on the vs series, also like ur stance on the eu
Lumiya vs ahsoka...the students of the Chosen One
And welcome back
Lumiya is going to whip Ahsoka to death (literally). I would prefer using Galen Marek or Kharys.
Very one sided. Lumiya cannot handle Jar'Kai specialists
that's a bit of a generalization. While Jar'kai is a counter to the light-whip the only Force User we've seen beat her is Luke Skywalker
Skywalker at that point was a very inexperienced jar'kai duelist though. He was also nowhere near his peak. But yeah Lumiya still wins. I don't see Ahsoka being able to compete.
Lumiya.
Before the video starts, I’d like to analyze this.Physical capabilities - MaulDueling skill - ExarForce ability and skill - ExarEquipment - ExarVerdict - Exar
Very enjoyable video. While I do disagree with some of the points made in the video and ultimately disagree with the overall verdict, it was easy to see where you were coming from. As a long time fan of your channel, there has definitely been a big improvement to the analysis and overall quality, especially in your more recent videos. Your points are articulated eloquently, making it easy to agree with your assessments of the characters.
Of course Exar Kun wins, he's totally out of his league.
Man I hope that you drop that post mortem analysis soon. 😄
Haven't watched yet but I'm gonna guess Jensaarai has Exar winning this. Jensaarai holds Exar in the highest regard after all.
While, he has shown some pretty glaring character bias, Kun is the better fighter and more powerful in the force.
As much as I respect jensaarai, you’re absolutely right. Jen kinda has Exar on too high a pedestal in some areas.
VSX0021OmegaGundam yea but Maul really doesn’t stand much chance against Kun. It’s not like Maul can beat Kun. Even the TCW or Rebels versions of him wouldn’t stand a chance either. In either Saber skills or Force abilities. Then again, Force abilities in Disney canon are usually limited to basic shit. Telekinesis, Mind tricks, physical enhancement, and Lightning.
Well I never said I personally think Maul will win, but I do think Exar's abilities are often overstated by Jen.
@Dancing Deity Bane was the sith'ari. That's not in dispute. Ragnos believed in Exar but as we see, Exar does not lead the sith to glory. Not that it matters, the sith'ari title says nothing about strength. Secondly I remember that conversation with Kreia. She was referring to the ancient sith, specifically Tulak Hord, who she considered the greatest duelist the sith ever produced. Exar would've hardly been considered ancient at that time. Not that it matters Traya isn't all knowing. Lastly Exar lost the battle against NJO. Remember? Not to mention at the time aside from Luke they were all only prospective jedi. Not real jedi. Clearly his greatest failing. So yes it is very possible to overrate him. You just did it.
Awe..............................Finally. And so exciting!
This would be one HELL of a fight
great video! "Legends all the way" completely agree! have you ever considered doing a video of darth Wyyrlok III and Haazen?
yeah I agree with your views on TCW Maul changes. I love TCW! But I wish they hadn't made some of the unnecessary lore changes!
Taken from a previous comment, but Darth Krayt vs Exar Kun??
Krayt in an asspull.
Depends on if it’s Krayt pre or post resurrection. Pre, Kun has a really good chance of beating Krayt. Post, Kun is a dead man.
Would u ever consider doing ep1 maul and rebels maul vs the 2 clone wars mauls
Both he and Antoine Bandele have wondered about that.
Does anybody know if somebody has ever done a Darth Sidus vs Exar Kun
Jensaarai, just a question: how might do better in a duel: Exar Kun or Darth Krayt? They’re both masters of Niman and constantly adjust their techniques to confuse their enemies, but would Krayt be able to fare against Kun’s weapon?
I’d say Darth Krytt, Exar Kun resorted to a Lightsaber with a bunch of fancy tricks, Krytt on the other hand has shown better feats and with Shatterpoint Krytt could see the flaw in Kun’s defenses and win, I’m not even taking into account the inherent weakness saberstaves have to Jar’Kai
@Jensaarai1 given the current state of wookieepedia's "legends" articles would you and other members of the fanalysis consider starting up a new star wars wiki site to return the articles to their original glory, removing anything connected to Disney Canon and TCW?
lmao
An idea i think could be interesting would be pre night sister magic savage opress vs pre cyborg grievous
We don't know enough on them. Could make a good versus round for Antoine Bandele.
Jensaarai1, I see Maul as THE master of double-bladed saber combat, and a superior duelist to Kun overall. But it's like you said, Kun wouldn't dig in for the long haul, he would snap to his force abilities too quickly. Maul would win in a pure duelist fight though, but he would need time (similarly to how Kenobi beat Anakin in RotS), and that's something he doesn't have. However I will say that I do not believe Kun would literally one-shot Maul. Maul's physique has exceeded the expectations of many, and he can tank more than most think possible. While I do believe Kun's force abilities would save him in the end, it would not be over right away like you say, Maul would still impress Kun by taking a few shots.
Now, regardless of your feelings of TCW, I just want to list a couple differences in the fight had you used TCW information:
1. Maul's physical capabilities are even greater in the New Canon, tanking point blank grenades and, of course, surviving being cut in half (that's some Sion levels of pain right there). So Exar Kun's powers from his amulet would not be as effective.
2. Maul had been taught a few more things by Sidious as he was meant to be a true apprentice, only his teaching was cut short by Kenobi (it's a little up in the air in Legends due to conflicting statements, but in Canon this is clear). TCW and Rebels establishes that he is strong in mind probing, Nightsister sorcery, illusions, and is a great military strategist. It is true that Maul likely would not use most of this himself, but it is likely he could counteract any attempt Exar Kun makes to use similar abilities.
3. As shown in his fight with Pre Viszla, Maul is capable of adapting to different forms of attack on the fly. So this gives him a better chance of adapting to Exar Kun's change in tactics.
4. TCW does prove that Maul can use Jar'Kai, while this only adds to the amount of "movesets" he changes from, it is still worth mentioning, plus it was an incredible showing of him putting up an offensive against a superior duelist (yes Sidious is clearly better, but pushing him back at all is impressive).
One last thing for Maul in general, I've noticed (and hopefully others have) that when Maul gets overconfident or overly emotional, he falters (losing to Kanan, being pressured by Obi-Wan as a padawan, and his final fight in Rebels), but when Maul is level headed, he excels (fighting Qui-Gon, Vizsla, the Inquisitors, etc.). His more emotional attitude makes him blindly aggressive, so it would either push Kun back, or leave an opening for Kun to take advantage of.
I feel like Sidious wasn’t expecting Kenobi to “kill” Maul in TPM
A fully powered exar kun would be universal+ he also got a power boost from marka ragnos that's bestowed by all sith lords that get baptized, kun also devastated the surface of musterfar and the author tom veich confirmed that exar kun is similar to emperor papaltine reborn not as powerful but very close both exar kun and papaltine reborn are described by luke Skywalker in his prime as the biggest focal point AKA force nexus of the dark side he ever seem, the source escalate that if the jedi didn't stop exar kun in time he would have become too powerful, the source say the the ritual exar kun performed would had made him all powerful if it weren't for the jedi interruption. exar kun mastered all sith magic archemy and many rituals, he mastered all 7 lightsaber form and mastered skills from ancient times create by tulak hord and the jedi exile, exar kun possessed the dark holocrom which had the acknowledged of over 10,000 years of sith magic archemy rituals lightsaber skills, the source stated that exar kun was the galaxy greatest threat 4000 years before the birth of luke Skywalker, Leia also say exar kun weakened spirit was more powerful than a prime luke Skywalker. Tom veich confirmed that exar kun is similar to emperor papaltine reborn in raw force power potential acknowledge and skills in the force. Tom veich confirmed on his Twitter that exar kun is similar to emperor papaltine reborn in raw force power potential acknowledge and skills kun was far better duelist since he mastered lost skills from tulak hord and the jedi exile
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 I remember even in KOTOR, one guy says Revan and Malak were like children compared to Exar Kun. That being said, even Exar Kun fell, and in large part thanks to his apprentice iirc (feel free to clarify that part). Given Sidious' knowledge and perfection in the ways of the Sith, Maul would have access to nearly everything ancient holocron, temple, etc. Also keep in mind that Mother Talzin, a being with enough power to control a planet, live after death like Kun, resurrect the dead, block lightsabers with magic, etc. was passed over as a Sith lord in favor of Maul.
Still not saying Maul would win. Realistically this would go down the same way Maul vs. Sidious did. But I think Maul deserves a lot more credit than he's typically given, and I do believe his skills as a duelist are something to consider even against someone as skilled as Kun.
@@wolfgod6443 nope maul was never trained to be a true sith lord he was just a sith assassin maul doesn't the raw force power potential acknowledge and skills that exar kun have exar kun only fell because ulic betrayed him exar kun possessed the dark holocrom which had the acknowledged of over 10,000 years of sith magic archemy rituals lightsaber skills echani hand to hand combat ect he mastered sith archemy and magic exar kun it say by the lore of jedi academy to have many abilities and powers he couldn't use because he was depleted of energy by those 4000 years of the wall of light exar kun also mastered techniques from tulak hord a sith lord that use to casually singlehandedly slay over 100 jedi masters masters, kun is too superior than maul
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 There's a guy in Kotor 1 who studied everything about Tulak Horde. I believe his name was jorak Uln. He's like a mid boss to you lol. Having that knowledge clearly isn't everything, but I don't really want to downplay Kun's power. Maul was trained as a true Sith Lord and has knowledge of both sith alchemy and magic. This has both been shown to us and directly stared. Sidious even said Maul was more of an apprentice than Dooku. Maul's raw talent put him over Mother Talzin who rivals most Sith lords without any Sith training, so imagine Maul's talent with said training on top of it.
In forums, this is considered as a spite thread and would be shut down quick. Exar Kun stomps..... curb stomps....
theDARK Pototoy In forums, it would be quite the opposite. Darth Maul’s rep has increased whilst Kun’s has decreased.
Ki Adi Sandwich
Y so? Exar Kun technically has more notable feats than even Sidious. It’s not unwise to predict that he would totally dominate Maul, who has lost every time to my nigga Obi Wan
Depends on which forum honestly.
TinyTorah True. KMC is riddled with Old Republic lovers.
Forums today are all about scalling. You might be completely featless but as long as you have the right scalling, you’re top tier. It’s sad honestly.
How come there hasnt been new matches released in a While? Getting worried over here! Lol
Exar Kun wins, little difficulty.
With special equipment, Kun wins. With basic robes and standard Lightsabers, Maul wins
@@KumaoftheForest Finally a person with a brain.
If I could make a suggestion for a versus match K'kruhk versus desann?
You should do a video with Githany or Kas'im. I'm not sure what opponents would be good against those two for a matchup.
The Dark Woman for Githany and Vodo Bosak for Kas’im
@@KumaoftheForest That sounds like a good match.
Full and total agreement. Surprised you didn't mention Exar Kun's influence over Maul.
Would there be enough material to do a comparison between Darth Malgus and Lord Hoth? I've requested a simple answer before many times......
In short the answer is no. Hoth is too speculative to be used fairly in the versus format.
I've been meaning to ask: What are the key differences between Jensaarai1's standard Versus videos and his Strikezone series?
The strikezone's are shorter and faster.
Who else remembers when this was as long as any of the council’s videos got
Mmmh... Could Exar Kun's "trickier" weapon (able to change the length, for example) be yet another example of his superiority, as a duelist? Even if Maul is the superior martial artist and lightsaber fencer, has he faced enemies that have that kind of tricks up their sleeves?
Exat Kun as Darth Maul's temporary weapons and tactics instructor would be awesome.
Thoughts on Darth Vader vs Darth Maul in a Pure Lightsaber Duel. No Force abilities allowed other than force augmentation, force rage, and the like.
Both are highly accomplished martial artists with complex hybrid styles
Hey jensaarai1 I'm a huge fan of your content, could I request you look into a versus match between Shak Ti and Darth Malak, I think it would be interesting to compare the two :)
Both Ataru and Makashi practitioners
Can you do a video on corran horn
So in your head canon do you ignore the darth maul chapter in darth plagueis?
FINALLY! Thank you for the request! I haven't seen the video but Exar Kun would easily win against Maul! Says to the people that think Maul can beat Exar! "We'' see about that! Maul's death will legitimatize the title Kun." Just jk on that qoute.
+TheKunLineage94 Honestly felt this was a tad bit of a mismatch in favor of Kun.
Kun mauled him.
Can you please make a versus Video with Count Dooku vs Vaylin
Marcel Weber i don't think we have enough material about vaylin. The only thing we have is her very powerful telekinesis(almost vader level imo) and some skill in lightning. Also, we don't know what form of saber combat she uses, although I belive it would be "diplomat's" niman, as she isn't very inclined to use her saber.
Edit: forgot about her duels with Senya. I have no idea what form she's using.(djem so???) Also, she might have some skill in jar kai(she was portrayed weilding 2 lightsabers in the loading screen for kotfe), although this is very unlikely.
Marcel Weber the problem is that force powers and dueling skill in kotfe/kotet seem very inconsistent to me.
Hey jensaarai1 would you be interested in doing darth tyrannus vs darth malak?
I somewhat question how Maul's resistance to lightning would hold against the elite Sith Lords. It is one thing to shrug off lightning from mid-tier force users, whose raw power pales in the power pales in comparison to the likes of Bane, Plagueis, Sidious, and Krayt.
MrVegeta360 Don’t forget Revan.
I think Malgus can overpower him with his lightning, and he is using storms of force lightning despite being Sith Warrior.
Is the post mortem going up in the next couple of days?
Please consider doing Darth Sion vs Kaox Krul. If not you than maybe recommend it to GreyJedi91 or EvanNova95
At least respond to this comment so that I know
PapaDragon 69 lol What are you? His dad?
No, I’ve just been asking them about doing this one for a while and I’ve only gotten a reply from Reti4 about it when I asked him. I’m just asking him to tell
me yes or no....... you know because that’s what adults do
PapaDragon 69 Apart from highly doubting your adulthood, you didn't ask for a match up.
You almost demanded one.
Just like you demanded an answer.
If he wants to respond, he will.
If not, live with it. You are one of thousand viewers of his content.
If he doesn't respond, take the hint.
Chris Purolover I said “please consider”, not Do it now, and also why do you care. Do you have nothing better to do than scroll through comments and tell people that they can’t ask something from the people who’s content they admire
17:53 Is that Raymon Prez ( I think thats his name) Artwork. Hes stuffs amazing Id recommend checking it out guys.
Do Exar kun vs Mace windu next please.
I think it's fair to say that, with equal or no force augmentation, Maul would likely win an only-lightsabers fight against Kun, but in an all-out fight or just a lightsaber fight with each of their levels of respective force aug., yeah, Kun definitely wins, and solidly at that.
TinyTorah I think an interesting fight would be Exar Kun vs Mace Windu
At long last we will reveal ourself
I'm gonna bet on Kun for this one, mainly because of his force abilities.
In regards to his aforementioned skill in mechu-deru, could (or indeed *would*) Darth Maul use this ability against an opponent like General Grievous or Darth Vader?
He may not be a sorcerer nor a true Sith Lord in the eyes of some (I do personally) but he is quite the tactician when it comes to combat, only dying at the hands of Padawan Obi-Wan Kenobi due to his own arrogance. If he knew that he was fighting an opponent that was part machine, would he seize that opportunity to shut down those limbs or even life support long enough to land a killing blow?
I think that is potentially effective against Grievous, as he has no Force defenses, but Vader could probably counteract that influence with his own powers. Though Anakin was never confirmed to use Mechu-deru, he has demonstrated a strong affinity for machines since childhood, and various stories have described Vader becoming comfortably one with the suit. And to be fair, attacking Vader's cybernetics with telekinesis is an obvious tactic that Vader is almost definitely on the lookout for.
Yeah I had forgotten to take into account Vader's force wall.
As for Grievous I think it depends on which version. Expanded Universe Grievous would give Maul some trouble, but as we see Dooku prove during their sparring match telekinesis can be applied in a subtle way to off balance the cyborg general. He is able to outright avoid the Force pushes of high council members like Ki-Adi Mundi and Shaak Ti.
TCW Grievous can probably get taken out by Liam the Padawan, so Maul can just as likely take Grievous apart like a set of meccano.
Total mismatch. Kun is in Bane/Windu/Dooku/Vader territory and possibly even the likes of Caedus, Krayt and Yoda. TPM Maul on a *good* day is on the level of Plo Koon, pre-ROTS Obi Wan and Kit Fisto, i.e. mid-tier Jedi Council members. I love your analyses of these characters as always, but struggle to see the point of this beyond choice of weapon and/or finally shutting up the Maul fanboys who thought he was a worthy contender in this tier.
+wristofkings Glad to see Im not alone. I personally see Kun as closer to Krayt than Vader (but thats more due to how Kun stacks against Krayt), but thats just me.
Same. Kun and Krayt are almost dead-equal while Vader is capable of beating Kun on a good day but I don't see him winning more than 4/10.
+wristofkings Agreed.
Dominating and beating one of the best swordsmen in the pre-Clone Wars Order before falling victim to Kenobi's plot armor... *sighs* Maul, you deserved better. And by that I do not mean TCW, though I don't hate TCW/SoD Maul nearly as much as Connor does.
Oh, this is very much to shut up the fanboys. Kun is absolutely on par with Yoda and Caedus, and in my opinion completely outclasses people like Dooku, Zannah, Windu, Katarn, etc. who populate the lower end of the absolute top tier. But even still, it's an interesting video to watch more because of how the fight works, rather than because of suspense surrounding the final verdict. Not only is watching Maul get put in his place a great time, but these two would have a genuinely interesting fight, while it lasted.
I was just thinking of like evannova95, antoine, a bunch of other star wars channels and they often mention tiers of fighters. What is if you all collabed to make a tierlist of all fo the major Jedi and Sith in either all out 'power' or 1 aspect such as force power or saber combat? Could be a lot of work, but it would be so awesome to see all jedi or sith (legends) or maybe even just the top ones in order of rank and the different stages such as 'Competent', 'Specialist' etc
Evan, Reti, and Connor have made a tier list in their "Sidious is not invincible" video although Antoine and I disagree with it.
TheNuisanceBird I'll check it out
Kun one-shots. Beating Luke and outright dominating Kyp's mind are beyond Maul's range.
Yeah but that's Kun's spirit not the actual Exar Kun. Not saying that Kun wouldn't stomp Maul, just saying that i don't believe that his feats as a sith spirit apply to his physical self
Jensaarai Just wondering, do u still have plans to make a Vader vs Kyle Katarn video?
If he does it'll be Vader > Katarn.
Oh hey funny seeing you here ;)
I want to appeal this ruling😄
Pbth! This is a no-brainer.
I like a mix of canon and legends myself.
Canon for a lot of the Prequels-Original Trilogy with Legends stuff thrown in here and there, then mainly legends for everything else. Specifically everything post ROTJ and everything pre-phantom Menace(barring certain stuff involving certain characters).
You must make Exar Kun vs Darth Krayt
i want to see kyle katarn vs darth maul please i beg you
Exar Kun Vs Revan Reborn
long time dude
It’s a shame James Luceno never got to write his Darth Plagueis novel when originally scheduled, as I am sure we would have gotten a different origin story for Darth Maul, instead he was forced to use what had been established by TCW.
Legends Darth Maul vs Sora Bulq would be good.
TPM Maul VS Sora Bulq actually would be interesting.
The Crusaders (Darth Fury Vs Revan)
The Outlaws (Han Solo Vs that smuggler from SWTOR in the trailers)
The Edgelords (Darth Jadus Vs Darth Sithis)
I mean if this was just a Lightsaber only battle, it would’ve been a close contest (Kun still wins tho.) But with the inclusion of Force Abilities... yeah, might as well pit a highly skilled MMA athlete against a SpecOp guy *with guns.*
I watched it and WOW! I knew Exar would win. Yes, maul would match Kun in a single blade duel, but when Exar brings up the short saberstaff, it's all over. It was very obvious that Kun would win. I'm glad my favorite is Kun, I even wrote how powerful was Emperor Kun. Now for next time, And #SUGGESTION: Exar Kun vs Darth Bane, Exar Kun vs Darth Plagueis, or Exar Kun vs Darth Krayt.
+TheKunLineage94
Kun
Kun
Krayt in a asspull.
Rob George Honestly, this was kinda a short video because I think Jensarri knew who would win in a battle anyway including me. And I also feel like Exar Kun can beat most people and especially rival the most powerful OF the most powerful. Yoda and Palpatine. Imagine if Kun reaches his highest potential. In my view, He would rival Yoda and Palpatine, and he would fully master Essence Transfer from a spirit form and would be aware the ability can be destroyed.
+TheKunLineage94 Kun with more development would be even more broken.
Rob George IKR? Jensaari should do and I need this to be a true battle once and for all and I hope Daz sees the video. Two undefeated Sith Lords, no Darth title, Pure aggressive fighters, Exar Kun vs Tulak Hord. I see Exar winning because many people had considered that Tulak can beat Exar when really they don’t know anything about Kun and his power. Tulak is undefeated, so was Exar Kun and Exar has many rare force abilities many Sith and Jedi before and after him can never achieve. If I had to place my favourite Exar Kun on lightsaber, definitely tier 1 to Palpatine, Yoda, Krayt, Vader, Anakin from ROTS And Darth Bane. Force Ability? Between tier 2 or 1 but 2 which is still good and very powerful, rivaling Vader, Bane, Krayt, Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, and all mighty Darth Plagueis the wise. I also looked deeper into Kun’s power and I never knew he was actually capable of Tutiminius.
+TheKunLineage94 Tulak Hord always interested me, don't know if there is a enough material on the guy. As for Kun's placing, I put Kun as basically the Ancient Sith equivalent of Darth Krayt.
For previous videos you've said Exar Kun was a bit physical pushover, and can't really take a hit, using that almost comical image of him getting downed by a small rock to the forehead, has your opinion totally changed on that, and why?
Adam Case I don't get it either, especially when maul has incorporated physical attacks and could knock out kun. while kun is definitely a capable duelist, at least without his "special" saberstaff, should he get hit by a kick to the leg gut or chest or maul does the same move he did to qui gonn, that would give maul the opening to finish the fight.
Before this: I have stuff to do
When seeing this: I have nothing to do.
I find this match up rather interesting. It's one that I would've suggested some time ago but never really got.
Though I can't help but notice that in many drawings with Exar Kun, his lightsaber is clearly not capable of being a weapon wielded with both hands at once. This is ignoring the fact that despite how ancient his lightsaber should be in comparison to Maul's, his is, according to this video, far more advanced and efficient.
Also the Legends stuff vs TCW... idk, I'm thinking it's kinda mixed. I mean, Maul's tattoos being of Sith origin bring in more questions than answers, at least when one asks why they're so unique to him or why Sidious and Dooku are completely lacking in such. Heck even Darth Vader is lacking in them and the vast majority of Sith don't have any such tattoos. It really raises more questions with emphasizing them being of Sith origin rather than them being something exclusive to Maul. Especially when one points out the fact that in said comic Palpatine gave them to him and he's quite clearly bound in that picture rather than the markings being self-inflicted.
sonic8005 THANK YOU!!! Sorry, kuns "special" saberstaff has always bugged me, yes the features on it are definitely a good idea, but that hilt space just screws it up cause trying to do a staff with one hand and only one spot to have that hand on which should hinder the amount of moves done and dexterity for the weapon even with the features on the saberstaff using a staff with one hand is difficult and should become a double edged sword that can do far more harm than good. even with being able to have the second hand on there, it wouldn't do any good due to having the hands so close together, again lack of movement and dexterity and you can't use your second hand to strengthen your strikes or blocks cause there's not enough space for your second hand as leverage, even with force augmentation if there's someone that's equal or near equal to the strength then you'd still be screwed with the weapon.
sorry for the mini rant, it's just I don't see anyone else saying anything about the flaws of the weapon and how kun despite his skills can backfire badly with the saberstaff, jensaarai1 points it out, but doesn't really seem to take the flaws that much into the final result.
Good video, as always. Is there anyone Exar Kun can't defeat?
Out of the mentioned, only GM Luke and Sidious are out of Kun's league.
Prime Kun outranks DoE Bane by a slim to fair margin, though a fight between them would be epic in terms of devastation.
Windu is close. Vaapad would probably lean the fight in Mace's favor.
Sion is generally not that great as a combatant, probably would be low Jedi Council tier at best and though he can resurrect himself I don't think his body would hold up to an amulet blast or even concentrated Force lightning from someone on Kun's level.
I also would add Vader, Vitiate, Dooku, and Caedus as Exar's betters. I think claims could be argued for Katarn, Revan, and Krayt. For the latter three I could be convinced one way or the other. Keep in mind Exar couldn't even gain ground over Uliq. His position as an undefeated duelist says more about his contemporaries than it does about him.
His fall to the dark side happened in 4000 BBY, while his duel with Vodo in 3996 BBY, the same year that he created his second blade.
Revan is better than Kun. And there is a quote that states Malak is as well.
source?
Do darth vader vs general grievous
Antoine Bandele has done a dueling only round of that on his channel. I personally think Grievous would take it.