Considering how terrifyingly effective legends Grievous was, it's fun to see him in matchups where combatants unexpectedly have a skill configuration that enables them to contend with him, if not outright beat him.
Given that this is Legends Grevious and Baas being pretty unimpressive from memory I'm predicting Grievous has this one in the bag Edit: Okay so Grievous taking the win was basically assured from the get-go but I must admit I definitely slept on Baas too hard and this video did a good job pointing out that Baas wouldn't have gone down immediately.
Win or lose, I'd pay good money to see the look on Grievous' face when he rocks up on a little old lobster man only to get tossed back with a crack in the breastplate by his walking stick. If anything, the possibility of Grievous losing his nerve against a prepared, stalwart Jedi opponent undaunted by his regular strategies and pulling out tricks he's never seen before is probably Baas' best chance at a victory by driving off if not defeating his opponent.
This has been a matchup you announced a while back. Glad to see it come to fruition. On the one hand, Baas has difficulty adapting to things outside of his knowledge base and overwhelming offensive pressure. And Im pretty sure Grevious 4 blade RNG onslaught Is outside of Baas's knowledge base and has the sheer output to turn Baas into a crab cake (or a lobster roll). Baas isn't super proactive with force abilities and Battle Meditation + Sever force aren't really effective. Plus Grevious trained his Magnaguards how to use staffs so the quarterstaff is nothing new. But on the other hand, Baas can easily steal one of Grevious's blades allowing lightsaber + quarterstaff combo and could contend (and maybe has the odds to beat) dual blade Grevious. But is basically screwed against quad blade style. Interesting matchup given the physicalities and knowledge base. On a tangent, Kun vs Grevious is a matchup Ive thought about every now and then due to their unique weaponry and both being trickster type fighters. Given Kun's ego and need to upstage everyone, Kun would go pure lightsaber combat which is great for Grevious because otherwise Kun stomps on the back of his force abilities. Here are some ideas for matchups I have: Voong Infested Krayt vs Lumiya: (Post ROTJ Darth Vader Clones) Jorus C'Baoth vs Master Faye: (can't be done sadly but mad Wizard vs High Elf looks cool) Count Dooku vs Master Faye: (Saruman vs Galadriel) Teneb Kel vs Darth Wredd: (Sith Hunting apprentice Sith who can punch above their weight class) The Ronin (SW Visions) vs Darth Wredd (I really like some episodes of Visions and it got me thinking of a good matchup) General Grevious vs Am (Twin Sister from SW Visions): Not sure if 1 episode is enough to build a good profile for Am but I enjoyed Kill La Kill. Lord Beida/Dark Vader + Dark Helmet vs Darth Vader (joke matchup): Darth Vader parodies vs the Original Vader.
Lord have mercy this is an very interesting versus that I’ve never thought of, grevious is one hell of an opponent, but then again he’s fighting Exar kuns master.
Vodo truly is a unique and interesting opponent given the trifecta of unique alien race, force abilites and cqc fighting style. One of the few prominent alien jedi that actually have their physiology change the fight meaningfully, it's unfortunate that Baas and Sylvar are the only ones from Tales that really lend themselves to VS battles. Unfortunate that we never got too much applicable close quarters stuff from the Tales pseudo-council members like Thon, Odan Urr or Arca Jeth.
Watching this again and again its evident that your analysis abilities and terminology became even more advanced over the years. This video actually shows what you learned since you opened up this channel. Overall very good work.
Now in my opinion this fight is over faster than the Senate duel. Now now in regards to the matchup if I'm looking at this at a video context point of view this is another great video you display all the contents and information which is a testament to your work. If if all of us are really paying attention you are giving us attention to detail especially during this fight even though it's a short one as always thank you for dropping Star Wars knowledge on all of us you have made all of us the wiser yes you have and I thank you for that sincerely Giovanni AKA Green Sabre special agent
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I could see a sister video being Grievous vs Vader, which I think would end similarly to the General's duels with Windu, just a definite kill by Vader.
The only really debatable version of this fight might be if it was canon vs Legends, with General Grievous from clone wars multimedia project Legends material, and Darth Vader using the new Disney Canon material. Probably won't happen with Jensaarai One, due to his distaste for the new canon.
I was rereading the stark hyperspace war because I wanted to do an analysis of Tyvokka (specifically his combat and Force abilities). Unfortunately the comic doesn’t provide much information. In the 2 panels we see him with his lightsaber we see him execute Sun Djem by cutting a blaster pistol in two, in the other he has no distinguishable guard and his body is completely exposed to the blaster fire coming from the battle droids. I could forgive this as the droids we’re supposed to be on his side but Gunray messed up and ordered his droids to “shoot them all” Outside of combat, a conversation between Tyvokka and Plo Koon implies that Tyvokka struggles with his Wookiee temper at times and Plo would often test his master’s ability to control that temper. So, which lightsaber form would you say best suits an elderly Wookiee Jedi Master with anger issues and a curved-hilt lightsaber? Form I? He executed the signature disarming slash and on one of the comic cover arts he sweeps his blade in a broad arc that swats aside several blaster bolts Form II? His elegant lightsaber and preference for wielding it one-handed could suggest as much. Plus the calm, measured mindset could be a good means to control his Wookiee temper Form III? Doubtful since he displayed no skill with the style but it’s calm eye of the storm mindset could go hand in hand with his ability to remain in the present but perceive all possible outcomes to a situation (Circle of Shelter) Form IV? Again doubtful and the least likely given his depiction in the story: no acrobatics and no integration of physical combat Form V? A huge towering Wookiee, a species known for their sheer physical strength would make Tyvokka a natural Djem So stylist Form VI? I would say this is highly likely given his presence to use the Force first (also his using the table as a shield is replicated by Plo Koon years later in the season 2 finale of TCW). Form VII? No signs but the thought of a raging Wookiee Jedi Master embracing Form VII is a scary thought As for Force abilities is Tyvokka a master of the Shatterpoint ability? His natural ability to perceive all possible outcomes to any situation and the way he shatters that heavy table made me think that he perceived the weakest points of the furniture and was able to shatter it with a single blast of the Force.
I suspect that he might've been a form V user with some training in form VI. Like you mentioned, wookies are known for their physical strength and the style would've suited Tyvokka. Form VI would've also been his preferred style since he likely adopted this form to hybridize with the lightsaber styles as well as the integration of his force abilities. As for his force abilities, I'm honestly not sure if Tyvokka is a master of the shatterpoint ability. If anything, his ability to break the table with the force most likely demonstrates his telekinetic output.
Imo The biggest thing holding him back there is the lack of official artwork. Unless a commissioned artist was to draw Kas'im or explicitly scenes from Path of Destruction, there's not really much.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Unfortunately, most of the fanart from the franchise nowadays is mainly of the commonly featured characters, such as anakin, or Disney's (ugh) trilogy such as Rey or Kylo. There are fanart of revan, bastila, and a couple others but those are the most recognized legends characters.
really good match, vodo is always really interesting. on the one hand the guy is a very much a B tier dualist, against the vast majority of conventional dualists he will dominate. he is a highly skilled academic fighter who likely knows how to counter every conventional strat in the book. combine that with the fact most dualists have no familiarity with staff weapons meaning that unless you are adaptable yourself he will overwhelm you. . the issue is that he's to academic and bit tatically flat footed, if he encounters something new or worse if his opponent is able to radically change the flow of the fight he gets overwhelmed and tutrels up. combined with him being very of his era in terms of combat force powers, very few people a close match for Bassk
Great video, very well reasoned. A few points for consideration .Baas's duels against Exar Kun were fought under very different circumstances, with him trying to talk Kun down both times rather than aiming to kill. Which might affect the results. . Baas's stone breaking feat, combined with his likely greater familiarity with armoured combat, means that his staff would potentially be a devastating weapon against Grievous. If he targeted his strikes well he could shock Grievous's brain, or dent and impair his joints making him much less maneuverable. And the greater range of the staff making it much safer to strike than with a standard blade. That said, I find no fault with your conclusion.
Considering that Grievous has been compared to Kun multiple times, yeah..... Say Connor, given your precedent with The Broken and the Sage Remastered and Anakin vs Grievous, how likely would it be for you to remaster or remake Asajj Ventress vs Executor Sedriss QL (Especially considering after the release of Lightsider, as further material on him) ? It's a shame that video got lost....
Connor, what is your opinion of the channel Mikestarwalker ? Imo It's one of the best showcasing the 7 lightsaber forms in a believable and applicable manner, other than looking incredibly professional.
Awesome video! Have you ever considered doing a match-up between Vodo-Siosk Baas and Shredder from the TMNT franchise (specifically from his appearances in the Mirage comics)?
Something you fail to consider was that, Vodo was holding back in his first duel we see with Kun. This is made abundantly clear due to, not only context, but primarily due to Kun then growing immensely in skill and power by the time they duel their final time, and how well Vodo does against a significantly more skilled and powerful Kun. And Kun by their final duel is drastically above Grievous.
Amazing video man. Would you consider making a vs video with Kam Solusar considering that we now have more information on his fighting style with the recent release of lightsider?
You could also propose this Evan, since he's the expert on New Republic-NJO Era characters. On the other hand, the release of Lightsider also means more material on Sedriss as well.
I don't think Grievous would open with quad wielding. If I remember correctly, the novelization of RotS basically said that Grievous went straight to quad blades because he had observed and heard about Obi-Wans legendary blade skills.
great video! was quite interesting, although it kinda sounds like you are far away from the mike, or its muffled? unsure, im not an audiophile. Have you ever considered ranking all the characters you have done versus on? might be an interesting video, although i know its more of a rock paper scissors thing than ranking
he technically sort of did with the post mortem and the seven tiers made when he and fanalysis were all active together, but its outdated and he and evan no longer agrees with certain character's placements
Jen, if you see this I'm thinking my may like Exar vs Windu! I can't come up with an obvious winner. I previously thought that Kun fights with rage but then when analyzing his saberstaff technique I can't tell whether this would give Windu the needed vappad boost and if he does get the boost will Kun be able to use his force abilities to make up the difference? They just seem so balanced
Feel free to call me a dumbass but do you have an opinion on the matchup of Malak vs Shaak Ti? It's in my head and I would enjoy if the idea was entertained by someone else.
Darth Malak Vs. Shaak Ti is an excellent candidate for a short form video. Malak's advantage is obvious, but narrow, because Shaak Ti has an answer for everything he's bringing on.
Aah! One of my favorite Jedi's Vs my favorite SW character in general pftt! No doubt an unconventional clash but very inspired! Even if Grievous would be the victor, i'm sure the killer cyborg would be thrown off and confused over the skill of Vodo and the power staff. I can imagine him the general getting thacked in the head a few times and be wised cracked to by vodo before going into a bloodlusted rage
Actually, I've been toying with using Gnost-Dural ever since TOR: Annihilation was published, and with his prominent appearance in the recent expansions, I now have visual material to work with.
I’m so excited for LEGENDS Grievous content. I wonder what Darth Vader would have been like with a more mobile configuration of cybernetics like Grievous. Imagine if Darth Vader could react to force attacks like general grievous, and dodge Sidious lightening. I want to know if he could beat Palpy.
You're overthinking it a bit. Force wielders could react and dodge attacks. Grievous also didn't avoid sidious's fighting much less actually combating him in a hypothetical scenario
@@johnzhou3860 force wielded aren’t Darth Vader and no one at Sidious’ level has ever been able to dodge his lightening. Darth Vader scales to reacting to light speed, but his cybernetics are like a lightening rod. Of course he’ll be buffed if his maneuverability is increased to, if not peak human, Grievous level.
Baas can potentially get an instant win with sever force (that ability is hax against darksiders). But Vong Infested Krayt is basically dual blade exar kun but more skilled, experienced, and physically stronger (Krayt stamina is ass but Baas is older than dirt). So I think Krayt has the odds in his favor but Baas would put up a good fight and wouldnt get stomped. Reborn Krayt would probably stomp but Baas stomps if he opens with Sever Force.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner Completely agree. Baas has only used Sever force when he has allies and prep. And given Krayt's power, Baas ability to use sever force against him is questionable. Dark Transfer is super hax and TOD every one except Cade.
Grievous is gonna break his stick and run him through if exar kun could pressure him enough to destroy his staff a cybernetic rage driven 4 armed jedi killbot will do the trick.
Exar kun at that time as a mare jedi knight escalate far above naga sadow and freedon nadd both sith are confirmed to be star 🌟 boosters and could endure super novas, exar kun mastered dark rage far better than any sith and dark rage is force Valor in steroids
Kun escalate far above bane and the quote of malak being more powerful than kun was debunked and reckon in the omnibus "evil never dies" in 2006 so exar kun is leagues above malak and revan even vitiate
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 I haven't read Kun's comic, but from what I've heard (mostly from Jen's videos) he was a light saber prodigy, and an extremely powerful force user in his physical prime. Bane's a very orthodox fighter, and I think that Kun's trakata might catch him off guard, and he wouldn't have a meaningful strength advantage. I'm not sure how well Kun would deal with his lightning or more esoteric attacks though. Also, Kun is nowhere near Vitiate when it comes to force power.
@@drachna Jen confirmed a while back that its happening. It's that he and Evan are far too busy, especially since Evan confirmed that the skywalker ranking video is in recording recently
If Baas was younger in his equivalent to 30-40’s, Grievous would be in the fight of his life. I still imagine Grievous would win the majority of the time. But given Baas’ baseline we know of for a fact, he’s in trouble. However I feel the most likely scenario is that Grievous flees after realizing that he isn’t getting anywhere psychologically and Baas’ own physicality unnerving Grievous. But if they had to duke it out till death, Grievous is the most likely victor.
Can you please do Kyle Katarn vs Kao Cen Darach Kyle Katarn vs the Starkiller clone Jaden Korr vs Asajj Ventress Galen Marek vs Asajj Ventress Jaden Korr vs Galen Marek Kyle Katarn vs Mace Windu Kyle Katarn vs Darth Krayt (vector) Kyle Katarn vs Darth Maul
Could one actually pick up on the Generals “style”? It was very sporadic and unpredictable. I think his robot brain literally randomized each attack or something like that.
@@zacktaft Vader still wins then. Satele isn't bringing anything to the table Vader hasn't already seen before (ataru speed fencer in a similar mold to Anya kuro and Ahsoka). Her saberstaff also isn't even a major advantage as Vader as Anakin fought against saberstaff users. Her force abilities would only at best stall for time.
@@lapplandkun9273 are you saying that because of his past experience with a darth maul training droid and the temple guards in the attack on the temple
@@zacktaft against a maul hologram and savage oppress and against a maul doppelgänger? Yes. Satele isn’t doing anything Vader hasn’t seen before. At best, she’ll land blows on him, but Vader would still outlast her.
How the fight starts: * Grievous: I'll Just cut this *is about to slice up the Pizza the jedi ordered* Vodo: *slams his staff on the table and brandishes his claw* YOU DO AND I'LL GUT YOU LIKE A *#@=&ING FISH!
You should of do one of Jedi Master Dooku Vs TPM Maul both of there original, initial, rooting, and before Legends Expanded Universe versions and not TCW CGI Series retcons yeah.
Jedi Master Dooku is too speculative to even make a matchup of his level of skill. He definitely retains his mastery of Makashi and was stated to be equal to yoda and was a TK prodigy but we don't know where he stands in comparison to his Dark side counterpart
@@lapplandkun9273 Given that Jedi Master Dooku before and during TPM Circa was still unable to be bested by a superior form seven user in Mace even before fully mastering Vaapad and Shatterpoint Mace was still the superior Juyo user to Maul in there sparring matches and was the person closest to besting Yoda as a Jedi Master in Saber combat meaning his force speed was already high extreme level and given also that he was able to easily win contests, tournaments, challenges, and prize workings based on telekinesis, force shields, and force barriers as a nine year old Jedi Initiate and even gave Yoda slight competition and Dooku only became more gifted, skilled, and powerful as a Padawan, Knight, And Master as well as being considered the most learned in the ways of the force and probably having Tutiminus as a Jedi given he was taught by Yoda himself and that he was high leveled in force healing I would say Jedi Master Dooku would be one of the few Jedi along with Yoda And Mace and maybe Plo Koon that would of been able to beat TPM Maul based on both pure skill and power and variety yeah.
I agree with Niman, but I always envisioned his support styles as being Shii-Cho and Makashi. His broad sweeps match with Form 1, his emphasis on unbalancing opponents fits with Form 2, and both forms focus on disarms.
@@Jensaarai1 I agree with the makashi part , but my main thing with him being a practice in ataru comes from his sheer speed bursts and his noted master level acrobatics ,
Can you talk about Cal Kestis from Both Jedi Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor? Talk about Jedi Survivor Cal once The Game comes out on April 28th. Cal is one of the Good things to come of Disney buying Star Wars in my Opinion. Have a Great Day Jensaarai.
Also parody is the ultimate code to fan fiction make sure its clearly labelled a parody even if your goal is to basically pull an invincible spider man. Basically use the excuse parody to write fan fictions of stories people wanna see Jensaarai One I am personally calling dibs on Star Wars rewrites but am looking for joiners we have two British guys (so far) and no before you ask its not Callan but I feel enlightened right now to say the least
I would have to say Cal by the time of Jedi Survivor. Cal's unique weaponry would give him the edge and he has more range of applicable force abilities. While Kenobi has shown to deal with the saberstaff well, Cal's use of trakata is something that kenobi hasn't faced before. Even Fallen Order Cal would likely win due to his advancing level of skill and adaptation while Kenobi's win against maul was extremely circumstantial and due to maul's overwhelming arrogance on his part
General Grievous wins especially since this is Legends Grievous. Canon Grievous would have a hard time against Vodo-Siosk but could still win with high-diff. Legends Grievous wins with NO difficulty at all.
I do have respect for the old republic characters. Old Republic is one of my favorites eras of the EU. Canon Grievous despite being known as a joke still gave Obi-Wan difficulty. Stop being toxic to people.
@@TheAncientSith 🤡 voodoo had far more acknowledged of the force than obi wan, he has powerful force abilities like jedi meditation force armory force sever and was the mace windu of the old republic his force embodied staff is stronger than a lightsaber he will own obi wan kenobi
tom veich confirmed on his Twitter that exar kun alive was far more powerful than his spirit version, in many sources its estate that exar kun was the most powerful and dangerous sith lord over 4000 years before the birth of luke Skywalker, that put him above vitiate and all ancient sith lords including murr spirit who's estate to be far more powerful than vader and darth krayt, the ritual that exar kun performed would had made him all powerful if it wasn't for the wall of light created by over 3000+ combining their power which back fired and destroyed kun's body alone with the temple 🛕 of fire 🔥 and all the planet jungles also the moons 🌙 of yavin4 were cracked, his spirit was depleted and drained he also lost alot of mental fortitude and couldn't perform many abilities he knew when he was alive he is also the only sith lord to master dark rage to it highest degree and his suppress through ability was extremely powerful and far more advanced jedi mind trick. Luke Skywalker even compared the spirit of exar kun to emperor papaltine reborn who was the most powerful version of papaltine the luke Skywalker that exar kun overwhelmed was 2 times more powerful than the dark empire luke Skywalker who was more powerful darth vader.
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Considering how terrifyingly effective legends Grievous was, it's fun to see him in matchups where combatants unexpectedly have a skill configuration that enables them to contend with him, if not outright beat him.
Given that this is Legends Grevious and Baas being pretty unimpressive from memory I'm predicting Grievous has this one in the bag
Edit: Okay so Grievous taking the win was basically assured from the get-go but I must admit I definitely slept on Baas too hard and this video did a good job pointing out that Baas wouldn't have gone down immediately.
Based on past analysis concluding that Baas is fucked once a second blade comes into play, I can't imagine he'd do well against uh... four.
Win or lose, I'd pay good money to see the look on Grievous' face when he rocks up on a little old lobster man only to get tossed back with a crack in the breastplate by his walking stick.
If anything, the possibility of Grievous losing his nerve against a prepared, stalwart Jedi opponent undaunted by his regular strategies and pulling out tricks he's never seen before is probably Baas' best chance at a victory by driving off if not defeating his opponent.
This has been a matchup you announced a while back. Glad to see it come to fruition.
On the one hand, Baas has difficulty adapting to things outside of his knowledge base and overwhelming offensive pressure. And Im pretty sure Grevious 4 blade RNG onslaught Is outside of Baas's knowledge base and has the sheer output to turn Baas into a crab cake (or a lobster roll). Baas isn't super proactive with force abilities and Battle Meditation + Sever force aren't really effective. Plus Grevious trained his Magnaguards how to use staffs so the quarterstaff is nothing new.
But on the other hand, Baas can easily steal one of Grevious's blades allowing lightsaber + quarterstaff combo and could contend (and maybe has the odds to beat) dual blade Grevious. But is basically screwed against quad blade style. Interesting matchup given the physicalities and knowledge base.
On a tangent, Kun vs Grevious is a matchup Ive thought about every now and then due to their unique weaponry and both being trickster type fighters. Given Kun's ego and need to upstage everyone, Kun would go pure lightsaber combat which is great for Grevious because otherwise Kun stomps on the back of his force abilities.
Here are some ideas for matchups I have:
Voong Infested Krayt vs Lumiya: (Post ROTJ Darth Vader Clones)
Jorus C'Baoth vs Master Faye: (can't be done sadly but mad Wizard vs High Elf looks cool)
Count Dooku vs Master Faye: (Saruman vs Galadriel)
Teneb Kel vs Darth Wredd: (Sith Hunting apprentice Sith who can punch above their weight class)
The Ronin (SW Visions) vs Darth Wredd (I really like some episodes of Visions and it got me thinking of a good matchup)
General Grevious vs Am (Twin Sister from SW Visions): Not sure if 1 episode is enough to build a good profile for Am but I enjoyed Kill La Kill.
Lord Beida/Dark Vader + Dark Helmet vs Darth Vader (joke matchup): Darth Vader parodies vs the Original Vader.
Nice to see this match and I cannot wait to see your Marek vs. Malgus fight.
Lord have mercy this is an very interesting versus that I’ve never thought of, grevious is one hell of an opponent, but then again he’s fighting Exar kuns master.
It's Great to see that you're back Man! Hope to see more of yours and Evan's Videos more often.
Can you reupload Sedriss vs Ventress?
I'm calling it now grevious is going to have himself a crawfish boil.
are you feeling it now mr krabs?
lol I called Grevious turning Baas into a lobster roll.
Vodo truly is a unique and interesting opponent given the trifecta of unique alien race, force abilites and cqc fighting style. One of the few prominent alien jedi that actually have their physiology change the fight meaningfully, it's unfortunate that Baas and Sylvar are the only ones from Tales that really lend themselves to VS battles. Unfortunate that we never got too much applicable close quarters stuff from the Tales pseudo-council members like Thon, Odan Urr or Arca Jeth.
I would love to see a matchup with Thon. Especially given his ridiculous list of force abilities.
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Watching this again and again its evident that your analysis abilities and terminology became even more advanced over the years. This video actually shows what you learned since you opened up this channel. Overall very good work.
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Now in my opinion this fight is over faster than the Senate duel.
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I could see a sister video being Grievous vs Vader, which I think would end similarly to the General's duels with Windu, just a definite kill by Vader.
The only really debatable version of this fight might be if it was canon vs Legends, with General Grievous from clone wars multimedia project Legends material, and Darth Vader using the new Disney Canon material. Probably won't happen with Jensaarai One, due to his distaste for the new canon.
@@R0-83-RT legends Vader vs legends grievous is debatable
@@R0-83-RT Vader is consistent with legends and canon. He would simply resort to force crush and not even attempt to outduel grievous
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I was rereading the stark hyperspace war because I wanted to do an analysis of Tyvokka (specifically his combat and Force abilities). Unfortunately the comic doesn’t provide much information. In the 2 panels we see him with his lightsaber we see him execute Sun Djem by cutting a blaster pistol in two, in the other he has no distinguishable guard and his body is completely exposed to the blaster fire coming from the battle droids. I could forgive this as the droids we’re supposed to be on his side but Gunray messed up and ordered his droids to “shoot them all”
Outside of combat, a conversation between Tyvokka and Plo Koon implies that Tyvokka struggles with his Wookiee temper at times and Plo would often test his master’s ability to control that temper.
So, which lightsaber form would you say best suits an elderly Wookiee Jedi Master with anger issues and a curved-hilt lightsaber?
Form I? He executed the signature disarming slash and on one of the comic cover arts he sweeps his blade in a broad arc that swats aside several blaster bolts
Form II? His elegant lightsaber and preference for wielding it one-handed could suggest as much. Plus the calm, measured mindset could be a good means to control his Wookiee temper
Form III? Doubtful since he displayed no skill with the style but it’s calm eye of the storm mindset could go hand in hand with his ability to remain in the present but perceive all possible outcomes to a situation (Circle of Shelter)
Form IV? Again doubtful and the least likely given his depiction in the story: no acrobatics and no integration of physical combat
Form V? A huge towering Wookiee, a species known for their sheer physical strength would make Tyvokka a natural Djem So stylist
Form VI? I would say this is highly likely given his presence to use the Force first (also his using the table as a shield is replicated by Plo Koon years later in the season 2 finale of TCW).
Form VII? No signs but the thought of a raging Wookiee Jedi Master embracing Form VII is a scary thought
As for Force abilities is Tyvokka a master of the Shatterpoint ability? His natural ability to perceive all possible outcomes to any situation and the way he shatters that heavy table made me think that he perceived the weakest points of the furniture and was able to shatter it with a single blast of the Force.
I suspect that he might've been a form V user with some training in form VI. Like you mentioned, wookies are known for their physical strength and the style would've suited Tyvokka. Form VI would've also been his preferred style since he likely adopted this form to hybridize with the lightsaber styles as well as the integration of his force abilities.
As for his force abilities, I'm honestly not sure if Tyvokka is a master of the shatterpoint ability. If anything, his ability to break the table with the force most likely demonstrates his telekinetic output.
I keep hoping for the Kas'im video, but at this point I'll take anything. Even something silly like this match
Imo The biggest thing holding him back there is the lack of official artwork. Unless a commissioned artist was to draw Kas'im or explicitly scenes from Path of Destruction, there's not really much.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Unfortunately, most of the fanart from the franchise nowadays is mainly of the commonly featured characters, such as anakin, or Disney's (ugh) trilogy such as Rey or Kylo. There are fanart of revan, bastila, and a couple others but those are the most recognized legends characters.
@@lapplandkun9273 Which is why artists would need to be explicitly commissioned to draw lesser known characters.
really good match, vodo is always really interesting. on the one hand the guy is a very much a B tier dualist, against the vast majority of conventional dualists he will dominate. he is a highly skilled academic fighter who likely knows how to counter every conventional strat in the book. combine that with the fact most dualists have no familiarity with staff weapons meaning that unless you are adaptable yourself he will overwhelm you. . the issue is that he's to academic and bit tatically flat footed, if he encounters something new or worse if his opponent is able to radically change the flow of the fight he gets overwhelmed and tutrels up. combined with him being very of his era in terms of combat force powers, very few people a close match for Bassk
Great video, very well reasoned.
A few points for consideration
.Baas's duels against Exar Kun were fought under very different circumstances, with him trying to talk Kun down both times rather than aiming to kill. Which might affect the results.
. Baas's stone breaking feat, combined with his likely greater familiarity with armoured combat, means that his staff would potentially be a devastating weapon against Grievous. If he targeted his strikes well he could shock Grievous's brain, or dent and impair his joints making him much less maneuverable. And the greater range of the staff making it much safer to strike than with a standard blade.
That said, I find no fault with your conclusion.
Epic. I can’t wait for your next videos. Your videos are always awesome 👏.
Considering that Grievous has been compared to Kun multiple times, yeah.....
Say Connor, given your precedent with The Broken and the Sage Remastered and Anakin vs Grievous, how likely would it be for you to remaster or remake Asajj Ventress vs Executor Sedriss QL (Especially considering after the release of Lightsider, as further material on him) ? It's a shame that video got lost....
Kun was far a better duelist
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Than Grievous, you mean ?
@@yrooxrksvi7142 better duelist than anakin
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Okay
Connor, what is your opinion of the channel Mikestarwalker ? Imo It's one of the best showcasing the 7 lightsaber forms in a believable and applicable manner, other than looking incredibly professional.
Awesome video! Have you ever considered doing a match-up between Vodo-Siosk Baas and Shredder from the TMNT franchise (specifically from his appearances in the Mirage comics)?
Something you fail to consider was that, Vodo was holding back in his first duel we see with Kun. This is made abundantly clear due to, not only context, but primarily due to Kun then growing immensely in skill and power by the time they duel their final time, and how well Vodo does against a significantly more skilled and powerful Kun.
And Kun by their final duel is drastically above Grievous.
Amazing video man. Would you consider making a vs video with Kam Solusar considering that we now have more information on his fighting style with the recent release of lightsider?
You could also propose this Evan, since he's the expert on New Republic-NJO Era characters.
On the other hand, the release of Lightsider also means more material on Sedriss as well.
Wait, Lightsider has finally been released!?
@@Jensaarai1 Yes, it was leaked on Reddit. Too bad I can't send a link without YT taking down my comments
@@Jensaarai1 docs.google.com/document/d/1NZ8YLOzC5anaCq2X5U5RlvcBRBV4EQT2O-o3UvrBIJ0/edit#heading=h.mo4c2jjx9jbs
Can you see this ?
@@Jensaarai1 it's been floating around for a while. There are a couple of revised versions but i think it's pretty easy to find
Are you going to do a post mortem on Baas anytime soon?
I don't think Grievous would open with quad wielding. If I remember correctly, the novelization of RotS basically said that Grievous went straight to quad blades because he had observed and heard about Obi-Wans legendary blade skills.
great video! was quite interesting, although it kinda sounds like you are far away from the mike, or its muffled? unsure, im not an audiophile.
Have you ever considered ranking all the characters you have done versus on? might be an interesting video, although i know its more of a rock paper scissors thing than ranking
he technically sort of did with the post mortem and the seven tiers made when he and fanalysis were all active together, but its outdated and he and evan no longer agrees with certain character's placements
Jen, if you see this I'm thinking my may like Exar vs Windu! I can't come up with an obvious winner. I previously thought that Kun fights with rage but then when analyzing his saberstaff technique I can't tell whether this would give Windu the needed vappad boost and if he does get the boost will Kun be able to use his force abilities to make up the difference? They just seem so balanced
Rob terra did this already. Mace wins because of Vaapad.
Recommendation for a future match up
Xanatos vs the second Sister
Feel free to call me a dumbass but do you have an opinion on the matchup of Malak vs Shaak Ti? It's in my head and I would enjoy if the idea was entertained by someone else.
Darth Malak Vs. Shaak Ti is an excellent candidate for a short form video. Malak's advantage is obvious, but narrow, because Shaak Ti has an answer for everything he's bringing on.
@@Jensaarai1 I would be elated to see this in the future!
This was a much more interesting matchup than I initially thought (owing primarily to my limited knowledge of Vodo Siosk Baas)
Aah! One of my favorite Jedi's Vs my favorite SW character in general pftt! No doubt an unconventional clash but very inspired! Even if Grievous would be the victor, i'm sure the killer cyborg would be thrown off and confused over the skill of Vodo and the power staff.
I can imagine him the general getting thacked in the head a few times and be wised cracked to by vodo before going into a bloodlusted rage
what do you think of cad bane?
Great video man 🎉.
But I ask could you se Vodo siosk baas winning against Yoda? In a duel?
Can you do a VS battle with Arcann?
I always want to call him Frodo-Siosk Baas, lol - "Mr Vodo", etc... ;o)
Please make a video of Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Malgus🙏🥺
What about Darth Zannah vs Darth malidi
Have you considered using gnost dural in your versus series
Gnost Dural is probably like Darth Marr, not a terrible lot of information about eithet that could be used.
Actually, I've been toying with using Gnost-Dural ever since TOR: Annihilation was published, and with his prominent appearance in the recent expansions, I now have visual material to work with.
ah geez I forgot he was in that book
I’m so excited for LEGENDS Grievous content. I wonder what Darth Vader would have been like with a more mobile configuration of cybernetics like Grievous. Imagine if Darth Vader could react to force attacks like general grievous, and dodge Sidious lightening. I want to know if he could beat Palpy.
You're overthinking it a bit. Force wielders could react and dodge attacks. Grievous also didn't avoid sidious's fighting much less actually combating him in a hypothetical scenario
@@johnzhou3860 force wielded aren’t Darth Vader and no one at Sidious’ level has ever been able to dodge his lightening. Darth Vader scales to reacting to light speed, but his cybernetics are like a lightening rod. Of course he’ll be buffed if his maneuverability is increased to, if not peak human, Grievous level.
I wonder how a fight between Baas and Krayt would go. This analysis makes me think Baas could stand a chance.
Baas can potentially get an instant win with sever force (that ability is hax against darksiders).
But Vong Infested Krayt is basically dual blade exar kun but more skilled, experienced, and physically stronger (Krayt stamina is ass but Baas is older than dirt). So I think Krayt has the odds in his favor but Baas would put up a good fight and wouldnt get stomped.
Reborn Krayt would probably stomp but Baas stomps if he opens with Sever Force.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner Completely agree. Baas has only used Sever force when he has allies and prep. And given Krayt's power, Baas ability to use sever force against him is questionable. Dark Transfer is super hax and TOD every one except Cade.
Exar kun vs general grievous?
Grievous is gonna break his stick and run him through if exar kun could pressure him enough to destroy his staff a cybernetic rage driven 4 armed jedi killbot will do the trick.
Exar kun at that time as a mare jedi knight escalate far above naga sadow and freedon nadd both sith are confirmed to be star 🌟 boosters and could endure super novas, exar kun mastered dark rage far better than any sith and dark rage is force Valor in steroids
Any ETA on Bane vs Kun
I don't think that's going to happen at this point.
Kun escalate far above bane and the quote of malak being more powerful than kun was debunked and reckon in the omnibus "evil never dies" in 2006 so exar kun is leagues above malak and revan even vitiate
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 I haven't read Kun's comic, but from what I've heard (mostly from Jen's videos) he was a light saber prodigy, and an extremely powerful force user in his physical prime. Bane's a very orthodox fighter, and I think that Kun's trakata might catch him off guard, and he wouldn't have a meaningful strength advantage.
I'm not sure how well Kun would deal with his lightning or more esoteric attacks though.
Also, Kun is nowhere near Vitiate when it comes to force power.
@@drachna Jen confirmed a while back that its happening. It's that he and Evan are far too busy, especially since Evan confirmed that the skywalker ranking video is in recording recently
If Baas was younger in his equivalent to 30-40’s, Grievous would be in the fight of his life. I still imagine Grievous would win the majority of the time. But given Baas’ baseline we know of for a fact, he’s in trouble. However I feel the most likely scenario is that Grievous flees after realizing that he isn’t getting anywhere psychologically and Baas’ own physicality unnerving Grievous. But if they had to duke it out till death, Grievous is the most likely victor.
Can you do a Plo Koon vs Darth Vader Anniversary?
Too bad Grievous doesn't have enough room in his cape for a Force-imbued quarterstaff. 😜
Yeah, but he's got an Electrostaff stashed on his Monowheel.
My interest is peaked.
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Also a reason why I’m disappointed at God of War Ragnarok.
The Vannaheim Faye reveal makes the Thor boss fights less amazing.
Can you please do Kyle Katarn vs Kao Cen Darach
Kyle Katarn vs the Starkiller clone
Jaden Korr vs Asajj Ventress
Galen Marek vs Asajj Ventress
Jaden Korr vs Galen Marek
Kyle Katarn vs Mace Windu
Kyle Katarn vs Darth Krayt (vector)
Kyle Katarn vs Darth Maul
Might wanna cut down the music a fuzz. It was drowning out your voice
What about Luke vs Darth Krayt
No because you could still say luke wins and its a matchup between two of the strongest force wielders in history that isn't interesting to talk about
Could one actually pick up on the Generals “style”? It was very sporadic and unpredictable. I think his robot brain literally randomized each attack or something like that.
Makashi-inspired Jar'Kai Niman, broadly speaking.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 oh, so he just randomized known form movements as opposed to making wildly unconventional random attacks.
@@CalvinBloopers Pretty much, in fact, he's described mimicking Mace's Vaapad during Labyrinth of Evil, worried him enough to resort to Force powers.
so would you do this match up satele shan vs legends Darth Vader both in there prime
Vader
@@lapplandkun9273you know satele shan is a jedi grand master and vader has never fought a jedi grand master before as far as I know
@@zacktaft Vader still wins then. Satele isn't bringing anything to the table Vader hasn't already seen before (ataru speed fencer in a similar mold to Anya kuro and Ahsoka). Her saberstaff also isn't even a major advantage as Vader as Anakin fought against saberstaff users. Her force abilities would only at best stall for time.
@@lapplandkun9273 are you saying that because of his past experience with a darth maul training droid and the temple guards in the attack on the temple
@@zacktaft against a maul hologram and savage oppress and against a maul doppelgänger? Yes. Satele isn’t doing anything Vader hasn’t seen before. At best, she’ll land blows on him, but Vader would still outlast her.
Terminator vs Zoidberg. Love it.
How the fight starts: *
Grievous: I'll Just cut this *is about to slice up the Pizza the jedi ordered*
Vodo: *slams his staff on the table and brandishes his claw* YOU DO AND I'LL GUT YOU LIKE A *#@=&ING FISH!
You should of do one of Jedi Master Dooku Vs TPM Maul both of there original, initial, rooting, and before Legends Expanded Universe versions and not TCW CGI Series retcons yeah.
Jedi Master Dooku is too speculative to even make a matchup of his level of skill. He definitely retains his mastery of Makashi and was stated to be equal to yoda and was a TK prodigy but we don't know where he stands in comparison to his Dark side counterpart
@@lapplandkun9273 Given that Jedi Master Dooku before and during TPM Circa was still unable to be bested by a superior form seven user in Mace even before fully mastering Vaapad and Shatterpoint Mace was still the superior Juyo user to Maul in there sparring matches and was the person closest to besting Yoda as a Jedi Master in Saber combat meaning his force speed was already high extreme level and given also that he was able to easily win contests, tournaments, challenges, and prize workings based on telekinesis, force shields, and force barriers as a nine year old Jedi Initiate and even gave Yoda slight competition and Dooku only became more gifted, skilled, and powerful as a Padawan, Knight, And Master as well as being considered the most learned in the ways of the force and probably having Tutiminus as a Jedi given he was taught by Yoda himself and that he was high leveled in force healing I would say Jedi Master Dooku would be one of the few Jedi along with Yoda And Mace and maybe Plo Koon that would of been able to beat TPM Maul based on both pure skill and power and variety yeah.
From what we have on vodo
It seems his main practiced lightsaber form's are soresu, ataru and nimian
I agree with Niman, but I always envisioned his support styles as being Shii-Cho and Makashi.
His broad sweeps match with Form 1, his emphasis on unbalancing opponents fits with Form 2, and both forms focus on disarms.
@@Jensaarai1 I agree with the makashi part , but my main thing with him being a practice in ataru comes from his sheer speed bursts and his noted master level acrobatics ,
Requests
deepa bilba vs tyvoka
ashoka tano (Mandalorian) vs darth nhil
ulic cal droma vs lord odian.
legends ventress vs boba fett legends
I am fatman/paul laughing with this match up my- former master (jen1)
all these years and you still can't get a decent mic?
Can you talk about Cal Kestis from Both Jedi Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor?
Talk about Jedi Survivor Cal once The Game comes out on April 28th.
Cal is one of the Good things to come of Disney buying Star Wars in my Opinion.
Have a Great Day Jensaarai.
Apparently, Jensaarai does enjoy Cal's character. There was a comment he left on 3TopicsGamer's Galen Marek vs Cal Kestis where he left his thoughts.
A fun video!
I expected Grievous to win.
nice
My brother it’s time for a new mic
I have a new mic, it's the sound editing software that I need to master.
The new mic picks up a lot more background noise than the old one did.
@@Jensaarai1 no worries! Thanks for the awesome content!
Just as I thought
Also parody is the ultimate code to fan fiction make sure its clearly labelled a parody even if your goal is to basically pull an invincible spider man. Basically use the excuse parody to write fan fictions of stories people wanna see Jensaarai One I am personally calling dibs on Star Wars rewrites but am looking for joiners we have two British guys (so far) and no before you ask its not Callan but I feel enlightened right now to say the least
Cal kestis vs padawan Obi Wan Kenobi
I would have to say Cal by the time of Jedi Survivor. Cal's unique weaponry would give him the edge and he has more range of applicable force abilities. While Kenobi has shown to deal with the saberstaff well, Cal's use of trakata is something that kenobi hasn't faced before. Even Fallen Order Cal would likely win due to his advancing level of skill and adaptation while Kenobi's win against maul was extremely circumstantial and due to maul's overwhelming arrogance on his part
Exar Kun versus Darth Kryat
Jen has confirmed that matchup to still be in the work
ooh.
general grievous wins
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General Grievous wins especially since this is Legends Grievous. Canon Grievous would have a hard time against Vodo-Siosk but could still win with high-diff. Legends Grievous wins with NO difficulty at all.
Voos will destroy him via force abilities y'all don't respect the old republic characters
I do have respect for the old republic characters. Old Republic is one of my favorites eras of the EU. Canon Grievous despite being known as a joke still gave Obi-Wan difficulty. Stop being toxic to people.
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021Obi-Wan was above Vodo who wasn’t powerful due to his choice of weaponry.
@@TheAncientSith 🤡 voodoo had far more acknowledged of the force than obi wan, he has powerful force abilities like jedi meditation force armory force sever and was the mace windu of the old republic his force embodied staff is stronger than a lightsaber he will own obi wan kenobi
Yeah the same weapon that was a stick and broke in half after a hard attack from Exar Kun.
tom veich confirmed on his Twitter that exar kun alive was far more powerful than his spirit version, in many sources its estate that exar kun was the most powerful and dangerous sith lord over 4000 years before the birth of luke Skywalker, that put him above vitiate and all ancient sith lords including murr spirit who's estate to be far more powerful than vader and darth krayt, the ritual that exar kun performed would had made him all powerful if it wasn't for the wall of light created by over 3000+ combining their power which back fired and destroyed kun's body alone with the temple 🛕 of fire 🔥 and all the planet jungles also the moons 🌙 of yavin4 were cracked, his spirit was depleted and drained he also lost alot of mental fortitude and couldn't perform many abilities he knew when he was alive he is also the only sith lord to master dark rage to it highest degree and his suppress through ability was extremely powerful and far more advanced jedi mind trick. Luke Skywalker even compared the spirit of exar kun to emperor papaltine reborn who was the most powerful version of papaltine the luke Skywalker that exar kun overwhelmed was 2 times more powerful than the dark empire luke Skywalker who was more powerful darth vader.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner because this guy low balled exar kun alot when he do his versus
@Wes Bradley-Taubner send me a link where he has exar kun winning
hey vegak death of the author
Bass fucking carries bro.
Connor: " 'Bout to analyze Grevious, but first let me tell you about my hate for TCW."
If I don't bitch about TCW, people forget who I am.
You say that like that's a bad thing
@@Jensaarai1 damn straight
@@Jensaarai1 I love that you do
More "profile" videos please
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