Trickflow's Ford 4.6 2V Mod Motor cylinder head.. Their Best Ever???
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2023
- Today we take a look back at my Ford 4.6 2V Mod Motor roots and how the @trickflow 2V head changed the game!
in 2009 we were able to get our hands on one of the first pairs of the
of these heads before they were even put on the market and right out of the gate we knew that they were a winner! we went on to be the fastest 2v car in the country and won the first 2 Mod Motor Nationals with our Nitrous combo! @andrewlavender08 with his turbo combo surpassed us and took the belt and continued the success into the 4's in the 1/8th mile!
Dont Forget that @DavidVizard will be a very in depth technical video on these cylinder heads in the next few days! you don't want to miss this one..
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I love 2v modular engines. Keep them coming.
These heads gives best performance for a 2v but also they have benefits for safety of the engine. Have them for 6 years. Never had a problem.
Did you get na power gains. I want the gets some of these head for my crown vic
Are the spark plug threads different than stock??
@@dannymckinsey208yes, they are deeper and have more threads to avoid that spark plug blow out issue.
@@christophermonroe701 Was that an issue for the 2v heads? I knew it was an issue for the early 4v C heads and the 3v truck heads.
Nice piece and more to come! Thank you Andy for bringing us "older-timers" up to date with the latest technology. Though the 4.6 2 valve may have lacked some grunt as delivered it did offer reliability and longevity. Ford haters out there say recent and current Ford engines are unreliable compared to competitors production offerings. WRONG. Many 4.6 2-V's are still on the road today and running with well over 300K original miles. I for one love my daily driver decommissioned 2004 P71 Crown Vic!
Bill you are exactly right... The 4.6 will last forever if you maintain them!
Thanks Again,
Andy
I bought a 98 mustang gt and I love it I plan on taking very good care of it
218,000 on my 2011 Merc GM. I've only blown out one spark plug, but that's enough! I'm looking for new heads with different plug threads. Is this TRICK FLOW head the answer to my (everyone's) problem?
@dannymckinsey208 it will definitely cure that issue as these heads have full threads on the plugs! Plus you will get a nice bump in performance also. They come both in 38cc chambers and 44cc chambers
Thanks for watching
Andy
I LOVE the little 2v underdog. While they don't make the n/a power of anything of today's technology, if the aftermarket had been better back then, they would still have been a slugger! Another over looked 4.6 is the 3v with just cams and bolt ONS they throw down impressive numbers.
My son just got the short-block together a few days ago. Teksid std bore / SCAT 3.750” fully counter weighted forged crank (indexed and stroke blueprint by Mile-High Crankshafts) / Oliver 5.850” rods / Gibtech 9.72:1 21cc dish pistons w/ gas ports / Total Seal AP rings @ .020” gap (max 150 NOS or 15# boost). Moroso pan / Billet pump. TF 195cc / 44 cc heads. Comp Cam TF grind Stage III cams & Bulett Intake w/ ARH 1.75 full length headers. 5-speed & 4.10 gears. Lot of wheelin’ and dealin’ on quality parts. This is mostly street and fuel in Arizona is horrible 91 octane and E85 not at enough locations, thus the lower compression ratio. Have no idea what HP it will make but I would think low 12’s in 1/4 mile? GREAT VIDEO! Follower of David Vizard!
It will definitely be quicker than a 12 sec ride!
Andy
Don't think a 21cc dish and 44cc heads is going to be 9.72 static compression, maybe you meant 8.72?
This is the content I've been waiting for - thank you guys so much for doing this project, and sharing your knowledge. Can't tell you how much I appreciate it!!!!
Thanks for the video Andy.
please give us recommendations for 2v street combos for Mustang , Grand/Vic , F150.......thanks
I may do a video on that in the future!
Thanks for watching
Andy
Great info. I have been running Trickflow heads on my 2V for many years. It makes around 1000hp, but I run twin turbos.
Glad to see you put this info out Andy!
Thanks Im actually excited about doing a Mod Motor build again... It's been a long time
Andy
More awesome tech! Thanks for the video.
I've been waiting for this ever since you announced it way back. Nice to see it's coming soon.
yeah the Crown Vic is on its last leg... time to get it right! lol
Andy
Nice heads Andy.
Nice review so far.
I never knew much about these engines.
Thanks for sharing.
Take care, Ed.
Thanks Ed! They are nice engines and can make great power but at the end of the day its still 281ci lol
Andy
I had a new 2001 Mustang Bullitt up until 2016 and with headers thru the mufflers 3.73 gear and drag radials it would run 13.10-13.15 at 105. Motor or heads were done at 5000 RPM but it ran as well as or better than larger small blocks of the 60's.
Great subject, Andy. These motors have been overshadowed by the 4V and coyote versions. I love underdogs and am anxious to see what you and DV come up with.
They really have been overshadowed! It will be fun to get back to a Mod Motor
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage I still love the Windsor. How old am I now? Ha ha.
Y'all see that I went back to the Windsor world.. I'm 44 so I came along about the time of the change over from pushrods to OHC..
Andy
@@FinnellRacing nice.
Im not in a Mustang but I daily a cvpi 4.6 2v and it just doesnt stop. durable and reliable and easily to do routine maintenance on parts availability is good, plenty of room for family
I used Trick Flows top end package with cams & heads for my 2V 4.6 2000 GT & 150Nos
Beat a lot of blower cars .
Andy, I hope you and David find a way someday to put the 4.6/5.4/6.8 3-valve heads on the flow bench to see what’s going on there. Two out of three of those engines don’t have the synchronizer problem and the 5.4 can be fixed.
There’s a lot of those engines floating around. If they were available in the 1950’s or 60’s people would be running them at Indy.
I think the world is burnt out on the LS and while we love the Coyote some of us can only work with what we have. Thanks!
We did some flow testing on the 3v head back in the day. DV may be putting that info in his video??
Thanks
Andy
Awesome video
Nice vid bud! Trick flow rules. Good argument to be made for this head vs their small block mopar head as far a game changers! 👍🏻👍🏻
You should do that video because you are right! The only other head in town was the Edelbrock head and the TFS head kicks it in the teeth!
Thanks for watching brother
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage I have! One of my first videos! Pretty much what started my channel.
@@SimpsonsSpeedShop hey it wouldn't hurt to do a follow-up vid on it! I can't wait to see the Dart Making some laps this year
Andy
Those chambers are very much like the ones on an early '90s Peugeot TU3/TU5. Those were angry little engines too.
This is sick im tryna hot na build my grand marquise and this kit looks like it’ll do the job💪
Ron Robart had a great program for those heads..looks like your getting them to work as well.
Great video Andy ✌️✌️
Thanks Brother... Back in the day old blue hurt alot of feelings down in Mexico! They would be laughing until the gap band started playing... then would swear I sprayed nitrous.. Then I said lets run again and I will show you a Nitrous pass..lol good times
Andy
wish i could afford some, ill just have to learn how to port stock pi heads, id love a video on that!
Great vidja Andy 🤙🏼
Thanks Dylan!
Impressive. I have ‘99 2v Pi New Edge I would love to dig into. A minor disciple of TFS otherwise. Experience limited to a set of Twisted Wedge 190s with ‘86 flat top TRW pistons fly cut on the exhaust side for a (stage II TFS cam) 302, and Street Heat 290s on a 521 BBF. Good quality heads. Matching the spring rate to your cam required naturally.
They work really well!
Thanks for watching
Andy
I like that old footage! Seems like yesterday when we were riding to work in ol blue.
I know... I won't ever forget your first nitrous ride!
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage lol me either!
I've always wanted to see a Ford racing 5.0 boss block with TFS heads.
Better design better performance got to love it!
Yes Sir! It's a much improved design
Andy
We Love it Andy. 👍🇺🇸🎩⬆️
Thanks!
Andy
IIRC the coyote rods are the lightest. Throw in a set of thin wall wrist pins to keep the weight down.
That is the best bang for the buck hands down...
Andy
A guy's Max Wedge ran 10.40s . He put Trickfllows on it out of the box. Ran 10.0s . That'is a huge gain. But they cost $$😢
They are really good but like you said they cost...
Andy
Got to pay to play..lol
Love this i daily a grandmarquis and wanna build a 2v for it for my fun dad car, just want it respectable for a v8 I can’t wait to see what you and David come up with!
TFS Heads n TFS cams meant for those cams, it'll wake your Grandma 2v, good luck.. Or just turbo it, it's much cheaper..lol
yeah but it will make SO much more power under boost with a good set of heads..
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Oh yes, I agree.. I got the R 195 heads going on my P71 with a small 20 over bore 4.9L stroker 2v..
Hey! Love this video Andy!!!! Looking at the head you can see the great thinking that went into the design of them!
Love watching you two together!!
Thanks again Andy bud!!
Thanks Robert for the kind words! This head isn't simply a carbon copy improved factory head it's completely redesigned which is really neat! you will be seeing more of us working together..
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage I’m looking forward to seeing the next video Andy!!
Thanks again!!
I bet those head with the 5.3 modular storker would make a killer combo
They would!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage it's just so dam expensive
One of my favorite engines even though they aren't very powerful. I also love crown vics though.
Same here Jonah.. but they can be made to run!
Andy
Andy I have been waiting to see you and David work on the 6.2 is that still in the works?
looking at all Dave's history to see if he did anything with the 3V. Specific to a class for racing.
Is it true that the older TFS SBF Twisted Wedge heads were soft as tested on a hardness scale?
Ive said it before on your 6.2 video a while back. Really looking forward to see what you all come up with on this Crown Vic project. I tend to think of Crown Vics as modern day Galaxies. I play with and daily drive a 2011 CVPI that i call " Project Starliner" as a nod to the Galaxies/Starliners of the early 60's.
I'm still waiting for the 6.2L development. I hope it is still on the plan.
Still in the plan, yes. Unfortunately neither my available time or funding coincide with my plan.
We decided to scrap the 6.2 deal for now and focus on the Godzilla for the blue car.. I would like to build the 6.2 but as it stands I doubt it will be built but who knows what the future holds
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage
What's intriguing is there are tons of 6.2s sitting in salvage yards for very cheap..Its one of their most reliable combos..So not much demand for used engines.. Huge potential just sitting there waiting for developing.. Tons easier for rodders to get a hold of than a 7.3...
300 cfm should feed that little motor to 8200 rpm or a little more with the right camshaft.
Thanks.Great video. I have been so on the fence about these heads versus the P.I. heads. Can you run P.I. cams in a TFS head.Trying to squeeze the most outta my N.P.I. motor. I have a set of P.I. heads and intake,not installed yet.
No. TFS heads repositioned the intake and exhaust valves. The geometry is not the same. You would have to acquire TFS specific camshafts for the setup to run 100% and properly. Installing pi cams will allow it to run but not give it the performance your spending all the time to achieve
I'm working on a 4.6 2 valve with a 2011 crown Vic my opinion will be the 2 valve heads can do work with boost and if you are DIY Porter you can open them up yourself without paying the massive price cnc porting
Spend your money on valve springs and cams you're short block and find a way to boost it ez 700 hp
People have made 800-900hp with stock heads. Idk how long it'll last lol
Perhaps you should reach out to trickflow for mission impossible. Not for the stock parts only. But for the modified. For a stock style head. It is a go9d head for between the all out race stuff and something you can run on the street.
I often think about how amazing they would be on a Ford Lightning.
Iam pretty interested in how this project goes.
its going to have be quick.. the Vic is on its last leg. Micah has an old shortblock sitting in the floor that i'm going to use... It would be bad if the Vic is faster than Casper! lol 😲
I k now I am waiting for your Crown vic engine build , boss 302 rods and non PI pistons maybe ??
Yup that will be the route...
Andy
I note that you and D.V. have ported the head. It is a pet peeve of mine that the cylinder head manufacturers send out their product with a requirement to port them to get the best performance. What my thought is, is to get a set of prototype heads, before making a production run, port them for the very best airflow and performance, and then send them back to the company. The company then would take the heads, revise their molds to incorporate the mods the porter did, and then start production runs. The way it is now, a set of aftermarket heads costs $2500(+), then it costs an additional $1700-2000 in porting costs for a total investment by the buyer of $4200-4500. If they would take the time at the design and foundry level to put out the very best product that the mind of man could come up with, it would be a great help to buyers of the product. Changes at the foundry level are minimal to the manufacturer. For instance, I bought a set of aftermarket heads for $2800, then there was a combination of airflow work and port grinding for another $1800, for an investment by me of $4600, when, if the company had taken the time to "pre-flow" the heads my cost would have been just $2800 to maybe $3000 at the most. Every head test I've read, the first thing a buyer has to do is get them ported to compensate for the failure of the manufacturer to produce its best possible product on the go-in.
Bob, these heads Unported will support over 500hp NA from a 4.6 and are very efficient. If you noticed I said in the video that these heads do not need porting for most apps. But we have something special in mind with this crown vic.
Thanks for watching
Andy
Be cool if you and David (fill n drill) could use small plug like F-1 and get more valve in there
Getting cam specs from a regular 2V 4.6 chamber design and applying it to canted valve arrangement would be a baseline. I think that you will find more HP with a slightly modified grind.
They do prefer different specs... that is a fact
Andy
Would the trickflow 2 valve heads make more power than factory 4 valve heads?
Does 3 valve have anything on 2 valve in practice or is it better to jump straight from 2 to 4? Since you know Mr. Vizard, could you ask him if it's possible to design a 3-valve system that is superior to 2-valve and verging on 4-valve? IE, is it possible to run something similar to polyquad? Furthermore, on paper, I originally thought 3 valves could get within 10% of the valve area of a 4-valve, but that was before factoring in a spark plug hole.
After I did that, 3-valves were barely above a 2-valve on the same bore. However, if one were to use a twin-spark design with the spark plugs below the intake valves and adjacent to the exhaust valve, you could theoretically use the configuration I originally had on paper, putting 3 valves VERY close to a 4-valve setup in terms of total potential valve area.
Just food for thought. If Trick could do something like that with custom 3-valve heads, we could see Coyotes being dethroned by their older cousins. But even more of a pipe dream, we could see pushrod engines somehow retrofitted with 3-valve heads to bring them into 4-valve performance territory. Another upside to 3-valves based on the (admittedly limited) ones I've heard is that engines with only 1 exhaust valve tend to have a deeper, smoother exhaust note.
I bet those heads will work good on a 5.4 too!
Yes they well!
Andy
I remember that car, I am very curious on what makes it go. You were tearing up the track with that 4.6! More please
Thanks Michael! you will see more coming up make sure you check out Davids video on them when he drops it..
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage I will do that, thank you
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage what block did you run when you ran that 5.44? What would the cost of a heads set up like those be?
We had a Teksid Aluminum block with 3.70 Darton sleeves and you would probably have 5 to 6k tied up in today's money to run those ET's on nitrous.. if it were boosted I don't think the cost would be as bad..
If that makes sense
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage what's your thoughts on running a 5 4 block with a Cobra crank to make 302 vs stroking a 4.6?
when you have 14 to 1 compression ration can you run the engine on 93 octane pump gas ?
I just acquired one. Is there any basic stuff I can do to pick up power without making any bolt-on changes? I don't need a lot of power but 300 would be nice with stock parts. Might do cams if I have to but that's really the only mod aside from a carbureted intake I'd like to do. I'm gonna get some long tube headers too because the engine didn't come with exhaust manifolds.
What car is it in? You can make 300rwhp with Long tubes, Cams, a good upper Plenum and Throttle body on a Stock PI intake through a Manual transmission.
Does anyone have any insight on trickflow 2v heads vs OEM ford 4v heads? I would be interested to know which head would be a better starting platform for making power with a 4.6.
I've got a 4.6l 2v question for you Andy. I'm building budget 4.6 for my 92 crown vic, I'd like to know how big an intake valve I can put into a PI head without having to cut a stock flat top piston. I'm using Cushman stage 2 PI NA cams (you recommended them to me a long time ago but I haven't done anything with them because only just recently did my Vic jr. intake show up that I had on back order for over a year) and I'm doing my own port work on the heads. I won't be starting work on the engine in earnest until after the Mid America Shelby Meet (too much other prep work).
John that would really depend on the shortblock you are using. A non-pi piston has a 11cc dish vs the PI piston of 17cc dish and the first place the valve makes contact with the piston is on the edge of the dish.. If it were me I would mock it up and check it to be safe because with the Cushman cams the PTV clearance is on the smaller side..
Sorry i can give an exact answer but I hope this helps
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Thanks Andy! The short block will is from a 96 cobra, I'll be installing a new set of gen 2 (2015 up) Coyote rods and most likely flat top pistons out of an old Navigator engine (I'm a little undecided on that part, I might end up using the 3cc dish pistons out of the 4v 4.6). By the sounds of it I might be cutting valve reliefs anyways so perhaps my best bet is to shove in the biggest intake valve I can fit.
When you were porting PI heads did you install larger valves?
I would really would like to see them or someone build after 4v heads.
let me correct that.. I would like to see them or some company make aftermarket 4v heads
Hello
I have ford crawn vic 2009 i want to change the head but i dont know witch one from trickflow
TFS-51910004-M44
Or TFS-51910006-M44
Or TFS-51910002-M44
And witch cam &
Components u recommend
How often have you played with a hybrid PI engine? The ole Non Pi head and PI head
Quite a bit back in the day!
Has anyone built a 5.4l with TF 2 valve heads designed to increase the torque for truck duty? Or are the valves too big to promote good low end torque?
I was not expecting DV to have a English/Australian accent😂
Oh and car is 5-spd with aluminum flywheel and 4:10 rear gears plus car lightened up a little if that helps with carburetor suggestion also car is 10-1 compression and was thinking about e85 but figured at only 10-1 probably wouldn't really help any but I am up for your opinion please thanks
I ran E85 both NA and on Nitrous. NA I picked up 7rwhp using the E85 but it did make the engine run a lot cooler..
On Nitrous E85 can be very deceiving as it doesn't color the plugs very well and it's easy to get into trouble.
Hope this helps..
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage It does because I think I will start with gas carburetor because I plan on using a small separate fuel cell with race gas when I spray Nitrous and until I up my compression with new short block build I don't think e85 is necessary until then thanks again Andy
@@miker1681 a small standalone is the way to go!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage This car is a weekend cruiser and only going to track for fun not trying to be competitive and keeping my goals realistic hoping for a mid 11 second car maybe high tens as time goes on would be great after I build a bottom end I will up the Nitrous and set faster goals eventually
I need these for my Lightning engine so I can let the Whipple 2.9 shine. My 8 thread plug PI heads are CNC ported now so don't know if it is worth it, pulling that motor sucks.
They are definitely worth it.. I know for a fact these heads can get right at 300cfm and plus have a much improved chamber. I would expect another 75hp at the same boost level maybe more
Hope this helps
Andy
What do you think about the 195 heads? All the literature says you need a 3.7 bore to optimize them... Do you have experience with a big bore modular?
You can run them on a small bore because I've done it.. the problem is valve shrouding when you go with the BB the head can really shine! That was a BB that ran 5.44 @ 127 in the 1/8th
Thanks for watching
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Did you run the big bore with stock stroke?
Yes a 3.70 bore with the 3.54 stroke
When's the rematch with uncle Tony? Please do a best 2 out of 3 runs.
We are looking to do something towards the end of summer for the rematch!
Andy
ikr??
I am in middle of a 4.6 2v build right now and because of your suggestion about carburetor swap I just ordered a Victor jr intake and the MSD Mod 6 ignition box but unfortunately because when I went to buy head's during COVID I couldn't find trick flow head's in stock anywhere plus I had already bought MHS stage 2 NA Cam's with the degree service and really didn't want to change Cam's after spending all that money so I did purchase a Set of Promaxx shocker head's which are Fully CNC ported and at least solve the spark plug thread issue so now with all that said this car also has a 150 shot and pretty much everything else upgraded also only Need a Carburetor still what's your suggestion on that ??? Thanks in advance
Mike if this is a Street/Strip car my favorite carb is a Quickfuel SS-750AN it has annular boosters and has great booster signal on a 4.6
You will really like how it runs..
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage I was absolutely considering annular discharge booster's thanks Andy for the quick response and your vast knowledge
Will I run into problems putting my 185 TFS 38cc heads on NPI flat top piston shortblock? The only thing I was concerned about is piston to valve clearance. I also have P51 fox lake manifold for airflow, I want the meanest all out 4.6 2V in my area
The beauty of these heads with the reduced valve angles it allows you to run pretty large cams even with a true flattop piston! I have ran cams up to 242° on the intake without valve reliefs. What cams are you going to run?
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage The cams that are currently installed in the cylinder heads are bullet Cams 261/266. How much power do you think I can squeeze out of my 96 GT with this combo?
Man it would have been cool if they made it to accept cobra superchargers
What kind of HP level is considered are really well built 4.6 281 2v now, 30 years after it was introduced? 300hp to the tire? 400 on an engine dyno?
I've made well over 600 NA out of a 2V so they can make power... But with these heads out of the box I made 425 at the wheels.. I don't know what they are making now days
Andy
14:1 compression in a street Vic? Cool!
Dont know about 14:1... lol but it will be a 11.25 deal!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Well, you DID point to the TFS head and say fourteen because of the 34cc chamber. In any case, my daily driver is an '06 CVPI with 85k on the clock that my sheriff friend bought new for his own personal use. I also have a '97 with 110k. Is that a better engine to start a build with?
With the stock 17cc chamber of the '06 short block you would be around 10.5 to 1 if you use the early Non-pi shortblock with 10cc dish the compression will bump up to around 11.25 to 1
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage So, is there a cam(s) that will run on 87 octane at 11.25 to 1, considering the heat here during summer often necessitates running 89?
I love the 2005-2014 mustangs. Anyone with the 4.6 would love a coyote swap, but it is too expensive, so I hope that there is something that can make the ol’ 4.6 into a contender; something that doesn’t break the bank. I still believe that there is just no replacement for displacement
Bigger will always be better imo too, but the equalizer is boost.. Seen 10.8L tap out at 2k hp, n 5.4L reach 3k hp.. All depends on what the engine can handle.. F the Coyote, i'm a 2v guy FTMFW!! lol..
That's right! We put the 2V in the Mercury wagon, we are going Godzilla for Ole Blue
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Should be alot of fun.. There's a 600+hp Zilla for sale too, look it up..
We already have a stock Godzilla we are going to build up.. you will see a vid on it soon!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Sounds good man, looking forward to it..
I drive a 3V 5.4 Mod in a pickup. Any thing good out there, Andy, in 3V? as is it's 300 hp and will get 25mpg {imperial} in the heat, with air con, in a gale cross wind, at 80 mph. i like it, however more power, can only be good. Cheers.
The 3 valve head has a ton of potential!
Andy
But no after market heads for the 3 Valve?
Those do seem like nice heads. That's no simple cut & paste concept from the bbc world: chambers open up on the correct side of both intake and exhaust valves..
You are right! these heads are what I could call a dual wedge design and the chamber design works great
Andy
Hey Andy, bummer about Casper's debut race but all new set, in time I'm sure you'll get it. On the 4.6 Mod stuff, just spit balling a bit; what's it take to get 450 or more HP, over 7k rpm for road racing using an aluminum 4.6 block and 2 valve heads?
More compression n a big cam.. Start with TFS heads n cams is my preference.. Good luck, i'm building a stroker 2v TFS R headed P71..
Those TFS cams aren't the best for making big power..
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Oh Oh, what do you recommend??
@@P71ScrewHead PI cams run like 💩 in TFS heads and that includes TFS own cams. Bullet and others sell TFS specific cams that give the proper/expected valve events with the TFS’ rotated followers
That is exactly right!
with the right compression, victor jr, and cams these are 500hp heads out of the box, especially on a higher ethanol blend.
also, shout out the victor jr. intake that changed the game first...
How much
How about the 318?
Don't worry Mission Impossible is still on the burner!
Andy
Most of us have to work with what we have
We can't all put in a coyote
David Vizard sent me
Thanks for coming over!
Andy
I can use that same head on a grand marquis mercury 1995
Yes you sure can!
Andy
Honestly those Trick Flows are great...but it sucks nobody makes a head except them. 1 brand or ported stocks and that's the end. I still have my 02 GT trying to make power and there's very little help when it comes to heads, Trick Flows or nothing. And a set with cams is 4500 or so..which is nuts. You may as well motor swap for something (as bad as I hate to say it) better than a 2 valve. Single turbo the stock motor for a grand with some fuel system upgrades and forget heads with a 2v if you ask me. It's the only way you're affordably making power. Or go drop 10k in a 2 valve to make 400hp...it's up to you
If you ask me Andrew lavender had less problems when he stuck with his pi head set up and he still run mid to high 8s with that and a victor jr
Even he will tell you that he couldn't have pushed into the 4's without the TFS heads.. on the other hand once you go from 5.70's in the 1/8 to the 4's you will find everything wrong with your setup because the power needed to drop that kind of et is unreal at that speed
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage I never saw a video of him in the 4s I watch him also he has not went to a coyote platform which is wrong information
I've always seen him in the hi 5s or 6s 1/8 that's why I stated I believe he did better with his pi setup I don't know when you watch Andrew lavender but you can't be watching that if you come out with those type of facts
I'm building a 4.6 2v with 2 paxton novi 1000 superchargers. It's on youtube. My channel is RumbleCanada. My plan is 20 psi @ 6500rpm. On the dyno with 1 paxton novi 1k, it made 394rwhp at 6k with a safe tune. For me, the 4.6 2v needs boost. Thanks for the info. I'll be watching all your videos.
I made 425rwhp with these heads out of the box with a Carb NA back in the day then later with a 304" big bore made over 600hp on the pump NA on a 250 shot would run mid 8's @ over 150 mph
Andy
I'd love a set of trickflow heads for the 4.6 2v. Not sure if they would work with my comp cam 262ah and AR 1-7/8 long tube headers? They are going in next after I dyno the twin superchargers. I want to see what happens with 2 superchargers on a stock motor with a safe tune. My 394rwhp only had @ wot 10 or 11 deg total timing at 11 psi. 600hp would be sick for a 2v
As of May 2024, a set of these head's are gonna cost $3k from Summit Racing.
After you consider cams and any other mods that add up the price, the 7.3l Godzilla crate engine costing $7,833 doesn't sound like a bad option.
Both price's are with tax included.
FJB & Bidenomic's!
PAIRED with a modern cam like XTREME Comp cam, this shpuld make a lot of power in a SOHC ford v8.
For how much money those 2v heads cost I bet they don't even flow as well as stock 4v heads lol.
They flow better than the 4V heads...
Personally I blame squirrels and 4.6 litre fords at DV lodge 😎
I concur. Your stated facts are beyond reproach.
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Or those Trash Pandas.🦝🦝
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I lost interest in the Mustang after 93. I haven't seen anything that impresses me after that. I'd like to find an 86. But not at war prices😑.
My dream is to find a mint 85 GT the last of the 4bbl Holleys
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage I can't afford mint😂.
@@lynnrunningdeer7364 me either... That is why I don't have one! 😆
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage but you have Casper. Did you ever check on that black Comet?
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Honestly do you think there is interest in mod motor stuff, there wasn't back in the day. We built one with TF heads all the fancy parts,12.1 compression even a Hogan intake dynoed it a Livernoise and made 420 hp N/A....It was one of the most $$$ builds we did ....sold it didn't even make it into the car.
Probably not, Its the forgotten red headed stepchild.. The 304" BB that we did with the ported heads and 14 to 1 with a 950 carb and the biggest cams that bullet cams could grind 270 @ .050 made slightly over 600hp on the pump. There is a reason we are going Godzilla in the blue car now! LOL
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Well 600 is really good....I may be off on my number but it was 23yrs ago and I remember being not impressed.
For 3500 jus for the trick flow heads I don't no you can go 4v and still have more flow with stock 4v heads
These heads flow more than 4v both B and C heads
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage they may but not buy much plus the 4v has more valve area since it has 4vs
I bought a set of 4v heads for 800 db castings wap block cobra lower intake manifold cobra timing cover bracket alternator relocation pulley supercharger bridge 8 bolt sfi flywheel Forged crank Molnar billet rods all for around 3500 bucks or less I piece mill it together
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage one thing we must also consider when we talk about flow is valve area the four valve has more valve area then the two valve trick flow heads plus once a 4-valve head gets a true three angle valve job versus the factory offering valve job there's probably plenty of cfm's to be picked up there and the bowl area
There's a reason why all of Ford's engines now are all four valves per cylinder including the V6 models
For 3500 + bucks you can build half your combination and get 500 to 700 hp from pi heads with no problem
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@@UnityMotorSportsGarage trick flows test with there 38cc with cams and intake only gave 380 fwhp and with no drive accessories at that 4v heads will beat these every time
nope.. why spend a .10 on ford's pos overhead cam 4.6... cheaper to do a ls swap....
Anything for a 2000 5.4 l modular
Trick flow makes nice stuff but I wouldn't waste time with a 2v mod motor again, too expensive, they don't make make power unless you run boost on it. Now that the godzilla is out and the many options for coyotes it's hardly worth spending the money it takes to make a 2v run much less even deal with a mod motor period to make them run with other engines. You can get a godzilla for 8k then add a terminator theres 10k and it will run in the high 10s. You won't build a 2v or even a 4v for 10k that will run that.
I have ran a 10 sec pass NA with a 2V and had less than 10K in the engine build. Ive made over 600hp NA with these heads from a 304" BB so they can make good power if you know how to get them to do it.. Most people add boost because its the easiest thing to do (In every engine platform) really
Thanks for watching
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage yes but was it streetable? I didnt get through the whole video had some stuff come up but i did see where you mentioned 14:1 compression ratio
Yes back when it was running 10's it was
Andy
E85 solves alot of compression/boost issues.@faststang85