Ford 4.6 2 Valve Intakes: Professional Products Typhoon vs OEM P.I intake
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- In this video I compare the Ford original equipment performance improved intake to the aluminum professional products aftermarket intake. This video is just a rambling one-take on the differences between these two manifolds and the benefits of one versus the other. I’ve been really trying to do a lot of research on the typhoon intake, but surprisingly there’s really not a ton of information out there. But like I mentioned here in the video, the typhoon is the only aftermarket intake that is a direct bolt on and require no modification. I’m anxious to see if there is any performance difference once this intake is installed, however I’m not anticipating any kind of big gains. Thanks for watching!
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Hey man, thanks a bunch for the great info. I have to replace the one on my vic and I'm having a difficult time trying to decide which way to go. I'll keep searching. Thanks again and God bless you 👍🙏
Thanks for the kind words!!
Just scored a polished Typhoon today. My stock PI manifold (2011) didn't leak, it exploded! Thanx for the gasket and bolt info.
You put in water instead of coolant, didn't you? Know what kills engines with plastic intakes and plastic outer radiator core housings and spouts? Water, raw water, and, gm coolant, and the old spray magic cleaner in a bottle down the throttle body. Its not the 90s and back anymore. You have to use coolant, it has a higher boil temp, and does not turn into super hot steam (used for some cutting equipment) as early or as viciously as raw water does.
@@MrSaturdayNightSpecial No, just antifreeze. No issues since the replacement (so far)
@@MrSaturdayNightSpecial yes, indeed. I’m quite particular with coolant myself. I do not mix coolants. My car came with Motorcraft gold, and that’s what gets put in it. The Motorcraft gold or Xerex G05 (same thing as Motorcraft) is great coolant. Never put water in the car if you care about it.
Man I want one sonbad
Just picked one of these up today, still in the box, not used!
That’s a find!
I looked at getting one of those. The weight and heat soak penalties were not worth the cost for me. They were about $700 so when they first came out. To be honest, unless you have a heavily modified 4.6L, it's hard to beat the stock PI intake. The Dorman replacement PI intake looses power over the stock\Ford Motorsports PI intake. I've seen some articles claiming something like nearly 26 HP at the rear wheels from swapping out to the Typhoon intake. Problem is they used a ported upper plenum and 75mm throttle body in conjunction with the Typhoon. It's well known that the factory upper plenum is a restrictive piece that benefits greatly from porting. The stock throttle body is 65mm. In my opinion, these two factors were responsible for the power gains more than the Typhoon intake. It's also claimed that it pulls strong from 500-6500 RPM. That's not much different from the stock PI. Although the stock PI is only good to about 6300-6400 RPM. Richard Holdener has done a bunch of dyno testing various intake manifolds for the 4.6L you can watch on YT. It's worth checking out.
I’ve seen the Richard Holdener videos, he’s very spot on. I’ll concede that if your purchasing this looking for performance gains, you’ll likely be disappointed. I did notice some decent mid range power improvement but not a huge amount. As for heat soak, unless your engine is built and putting down tons of power you won’t notice a difference. I didn’t. Cars used aluminum intakes for years and this intake will still experience less heat soak then an aluminum intake on a small block covering a lifter valley getting splashed with hot oil. Biggest benefit and the reason I purchased it was it because the stock ford plastic intakes always crack and leak coolant on the Crown Vics and with this intake you’ll never have to worry about that. I also do agree that the stock throttle body and plenum are restrictive stock, no doubt about it.
I put a Dorman on a 07 P71 at 125K. It is really hard to notice any difference. If there is it might be a half a second from 0 to 60. With the 3:55 rear end I do 0 to 60 in 7.5 to 8 seconds with 143K.
If you could possibly get a dyno graph for it in a future video that be great explaining the difference between them that be great thank you !!
I actually would love to do something like that. I’m just not entirely certain if anyone near me has a dyno
Hey dan! Seeing how things have been going with the intake!
Still would recommend it! It’s a solid unit.
Awesome! I've got a 04 vic with 155K that actually had the manifold explode! I am using a dorman intake for now to get me around but wanna try finding one of these!
What flange style is it? I want to put a aftermarket wildon intake plenum on mone, but cant find info on the bolt pattern or flange pattern for upper. Thanks
It’s a stock replacement, it’ll fit any OE or aftermarket plenum designed for a 99-04 mustang.
Any ideas where to get the gaskets that hold the “3 piece” assembly together? I just got a used one and want to take it apart to clean it but don’t want leaks and can’t find gaskets anywhere
I believe professional products still sells them. BUT you can also use RTV
@@wjye I thought about using rtv but prefer the actual gasket. I couldn’t find anything but I’ll look up professional products. If not then rtv it is. Thanks!
@@John-qr8eg you could also get gasket material and make them yourself. Most auto part stores swill sell DIY gasket kits
I keep thinking about using a similar year truck intake instead. A little more torque, with a 75mm 5.4 3v throttle body could be much better with an appropriate tune.
Biggest issue with the truck intake is that they fall on their face after 4000 rpm. It could work, but you’d also need to run new EGR tubing, plenum and a few other parts. I’d definitely upgrade the plenum and go with the 75mm TB tho.
And the hood will have to be cut on the panther cars.
There is upper plenum gasket it just don't use a gasket. The 96-98 CV has a gasket similar to style to lower intake gaskets
You need to use a gasket or you’ll have a leak with this manifold. I used a gasket from a 2000 Crown Vic and it was a perfect fit here. You could use RTV but the gasket is easier and was barely $2 on Rockauto.
How were you able to get the typhoon intake? I can’t find one that’s available. Why did they discontinue it?
I purchased this intake used. I found it on eBay a few months back
I’m not sure why it was discontinued, Probably because new these were $400 and a new OEM Ford manifold was only $260. I’d assume most people thought the extra $140 wasn’t worth it for a full aluminum intake and they didn’t sell well. That’s just an assumption though.
@@wjye Out of curiosity how much did you pay for your used typhoon intake if you don't mind sharing? I see one on ebay but it is about $950 with shipping lol. I would really like a crack resistant manifold, it sucks we have so little options.
@@MintyFreshTurds positive displacement supercharger is the best intake to buy, i'm cereal..
@@P71ScrewHead How noisy is the supercharger when just cruising?
I bought one of these for my old merc lse. Center console shift 😍. The oem was 330, the typhoon was 330.
Direct bolt on is true, however the hardware for the typhoon is shorter. I guess the edge of the intake is thinner so the factory intake bolts wpuld buttom out in my car.
Once on it felt like it lost torque.. I assumed the intake would shift the power band higher in the rpm range so the torque loss makes sense with the factory rev limiter.
Also opted for trick-flow reusable intake gaskets.
Yes sir, I did mention the bolts in the video but the hardware can be had from Homedepot for cheap. I honestly didn’t notice any loss of power with this. But I’d assume cause of the design of the intake it would probably make good power at higher RPM. I just liked it cause it won’t break like plastic!
Where did u get the professional product
This was purchased used as these are not made anymore.
Do you have a part number for this brand of intake? Or any other brand
I wish I did. These have been out of production for a while. There’s talk of another brand bringing them back but I haven’t heard any updates in a while. This intake was listed for the 99’-04’ Mustang GT 4.6L but is an almost perfect fit on the Crown Vic.
@@wjye I found an intake online for about $500. It said for a 4.6l 99-04, so om glad you had said that. Thanks bud
How much and where did you get the all metal one
These are found used and I purchased mine on eBay. Prices can vary widely on these.
Dose typhoon intake perform better than stock??
Allegedly they do. I did not notice any difference between the typhoon in my stock intake. With mods like cams and exhaust I’d bet they would be excellent
This is the 54061 part number, I take it?
That sounds right.
Dude I wish I could get one of those, Any info where
I can get one?
I got this one used off eBay before the prices blew up on them.
@@wjye I just looked..... 1750 motherfuccin dollars!!!! Holy price gouging, Batman!!!
What is it with Ford guys?!?
I have seen performance improved and non performance improved side by side before. The problem is identifying them. The only way to do that is to 1. look at the bottom of the intake runner where it meets the head and the top of the head itself (this is without taking the head off to inspect chambers) or 2. to note the runner size difference and the bottom air box difference and its fitment to the heater coolant passage hose under the intake. 1. Tear drop shaped rounded: NON PI. Square shaped with tear end: PI, the back coolant passage should also be slightly different. Another issue, is sometimes the PI and NON PI intakes are different from a visual on the block inspection. I have tried to rely on the front tube idea (does not work). That is, if the front most intake runner goes to the passenger side first, its supposedly PI, drivers side first Supposedly not PI. From looking at this video's start, that may not be reliable all the time. One of the tricks to try and sell someone that you had PI heads, was to NON PI to PI Swap and then claim you had the extra HPs because you used a gasket and some rtv. I KNOW THIS IS ANNOYINGLY LONG, however, the easiest way I have found to identify the intake on the engine with the hood open is to look at the passenger side first runner. If there is a gap, with a noticeably flat area, that you can put your thumb flat on (thumb sizes may vary) between the front coolant cross over and the first passenger side intake runner, that then leads over to the first passenger side fuel injector, then its A NON PI INTAKE. If the first runner on the passenger side, has very little gap (you can't get your pinky finger in there easy) between it and the front coolant cross over, and the intake runner tube is rather large and tube rounded and bulgy, then you have a PI INTAKE! That should be for all 4.6L 281 V8s produced by Ford, period. WHY FORD DID NOT JUST PUT A DANG ALUMINUM INTAKE WITH A FORGED ALUMINUM GASKET OR A STEAL GASKET THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND JUST MAKE EM ALL PERFORMANCED IMPROVED PERIOD WITH COMPRESSION DIFFERENCES I DON'T KNOW. Grain of salt: you might find a pi intake on non pi heads, you might find a non pi intake on pi heads, you might find that ford made 5 different versions of that stupid plastic intake attempting to cease the coolant leak and cracking issue, then you might find, that ford just issued tubes of stop leak pellets with instructions. OH, ONE MORE THING, AND FU PERFORMANCE PRODUCTS FOR NOT MAKING THE INTAKE ALUMINUM INTAKE ANYMORE OR THE GASKETS.
You can still get Fel-pro gaskets with the TB gasket also.
Dead on man. Honestly these cars should have came with aluminum from the factory!
Also, for what it’s worth, Procomp, or Speedmaster is allegedly going to be making these intakes again. So sometime in the future, there will be these aluminum intakes available for our cars.
I used felpro intake gaskets to mount mine and they fit perfect. You can always make your own gaskets with a sheet of gasket paper. I had to make a new one when I mounted my new plenum. Works just fine
Is this originally intended for '99-'04 Mustangs?
Yes it is but works perfect with all the 01+ Panther cars as they use the same 4.6 2V.
Won't work with the 99 Cvpi with the non pi heads?
Can you post the link for the gaskets specially the throttle body gasket and the bolts plz
The throttle body gasket was purchased off Rockauto.com it’s a plenum gasket for a 2000 Crown Victoria part number MS90762. You will hafta break the little tabs off but it works perfectly. The bolts I got directly at the Home Depot store. They’re M8-1.25 bolts, I think either 45 or 50mm. I showed the bag in the video that has the exact part number and dimensions. Any M8-1.25 of the same length will work. Currently have the intake installed on the car and all the hardware and gaskets worked perfectly.
Don’t forget that you WILL need matching washers with the bolts to properly secure the manifold.
@@wjye just an FYI you can get those bolts a lot shorter off the shelf at a hardware store.
where can i find one for my 03 crown vic?
Used market these days. eBay, mustang groups etc. they’re not made anymore sadly
Where can I find a OEM manifold? I hear Dorman is junk.
Dorman is mostly junk, but theyll work in a pinch. Ive seen some OEM manifolds pop up new on eBay from time to time.
I checked a couple of days ago on the Ford Performance page - $390.
Check junkyard crown Vic’s..get em before they crush em… You could probably start a business just pulling these off old crown Vic’s and selling them, the prices are ridiculous for PI cars..
I have a 2002 4.6 explorer was thinking of using this intake do you think it would work
I’m not sure what type of intake that vehicle has. If it has the truck style intake, this may not work. If this is their standard car style like the Mustang or the Vic, then this should work.
Explorers use the same manifold as the Panthers and Mustangs.
Where can i found same this intake?
You’ll need to search on marketplace or in the mustang community as these are not made new anymore.
@@wjye thanks sir👏🌹
Can it go on a Lincoln 2006 Lincoln 4.6 v8????
What model lincoln? This will fit any panther platform or Mustang with the 4.6 2V.
An 06 lincoln probably has the 3v motor, which this intake will not fit, if it does have the 2v then this intake may fit.
@@Prestiged_peck NO panther ever had a 3v
@@alb12345672 then the one I saw last week must be a swap.
@@Prestiged_peck For sure, feel free to look it up. Would be an easy swap because the F150 offered the choice of 3/2v.
91-95 Stock Intake was aluminum just like that one! Was not a performer though.
Yep, the NPI heads really chocked the performance on these engines. Those intakes were not very good.
I want dyno numbers. That intake isn't worth 5hp considering the added weight of source material used
Some of the Mustang guys had dyno numbers on there. Allegedly these were great in the mid to high rpm’s. I didn’t buy it for horsepower. I bought it because it won’t crack like the plastic intake. Didn’t lose any power with it car ran just fine
@@wjyesame, i bought mine back in 2006 or 7 when rear coolant outlet cracked on me. Combined with a good aftermarket radiator it runs cooler than stock.
Watched a video where they did Dyno runs to show the difference between the dorman and the pi manifold. It was almost a 20 hp difference
@@wjyeis this smog legal? Or set off check engine light
man i dont even care about performance numbers, i just want an intake that aint all plastic and prone to cracking. u have no idea how many i replaced on my cars and friends cars. always the coolant nipple in the back or sometimes the coolant ports cracking in the front. every one u see on ebay people are charging 1000 or more. sigh
That’s exactly why I purchased this unit. Didn’t care about performance, just wanted something that wouldn’t break!
Allegedly, a company called Speedmaster or Procomp is going to be making this manifold again I. The future, but I’ve been hearing that for months and haven’t seen anything yet. It’ll be the exact same intake as the professional products.
Where did you find it , I couldn't even find the plastic one , only stupid aftermarket dorman
i bought it used as these have been out of production for a while
Idk but to me this looks like a waste of money, as it doesn’t look like it adds very much more air over the stock manifold.
On a stock engine, there is not much to gain performance wise. On a cammed engine that will see some higher RPMs, this manifold will do very well. I purchased this part because it will never crack like the stock unit, and it will work well with my plans later on down the road.
@@wjye You are right about that... the plastic keeps cracking where the heater hose mounts to on the rear of the stock manifold. I purchased my PP intake a couple of years ago for about $250 before they raised the price to $400+.
Doesn't necessarily matter if it adds airFLOW, shorter runners will make more power at high RPMs
Not to mention more heat since it's all aluminum.
@@iannathanson6014 heat soak really isn't a thing, and I'd take a little heat soak over holes in my manifold every day of the week anyways. But yeah it's like 1-3 horsepower of heat soaking in the manifold.
You lose mid-range power with these intakes
If I’ve lost any power with this, it’s not noticeable at all. Car actually felt like it gained power mid to high rpm’s. I’d love to get it dynoed and know for sure tho
@@wjye just an FYI man, porting gains power even in an otherwise stock application, it's not all about airflow. Also the reason the intake makes more power up top is increased flow and slightly shorter runners.
@@wjye Thats exactly what Michael said. You will lose power on the low end and gain it on the top end.