That's why I watch Richards channel. There is so much information, for all price ranges. And the most valuable, is his knowledge and experience what he shares. He literally wrote the books on this subject, and shares it. Love the guy!
@@ifgezroxy I wouldn't say the the 4.6 is the a very budget friendly motor i mean them kooks headers are like 1,300 bucks. This is coming from someone that owns a 2v 4.6 Twin Turbo Crown Vic. The 4.6 alone yea, the mods no. A lot of people are for sure starting to figure out what the 4.6 can really do tho.
That’s why you should be building stuff with an ls, the power they can create for hardly any money is undeniable, my blue oval pride told me not to give in to the urge to enjoy Chevy too, but now I’m turbo 5.3 swapping my 86 notchback, and couldn’t be happier with the “future proof” of these Chevy engines, they’re easily able to handle much more power than what I initially throw at it, and can be built for relatively cheap!
@@RegulerShowTV I never was a huge fan of any of the 72 and newer blue ovals. Up until 2018 moosetangs, the performance from off the floor stock had not been up to par. But yea the Lego adult world says a lsx turbo in any ford is the way to go now. I want an old 49 deluxe with a twin 72mm 4.8 and t56 trans.
Hey Richard, I just want to let you know that your hard work in producing these videos is very much appreciated, the time it takes to assemble and disassemble various engines and conducting comprehensive tests to determine the specific outcomes is a time consuming arduous task and not only that part but then taking the time to video record your efforts and then produce these interesting videos is amazing. On top of that you are doing this for our benefit while we sit at our leisure enjoying your hard work. Anyone giving you a thumbs down on your work should be ashamed as they have no idea of the effort you put into producing fantastic content. Thanks so much! John
looks to me like he did this run in 2004 according to the dates on the files in his pc, he is just putting that info out there now for everyone to see.
I watched this video with a big smile. The final setup is very similar to my setup. I have the FRPP SVO blower (9 psi), a 90MM Lightning MAF, 70MM throttle body, Comp XE270AH Cams w/Ported PI heads, Longtubes, catted H-pipe, 4.10 gears, Snow Performance water/meth injection. Biggest issue I have is IATs even with water methanol. The car pulls like crazy on a cool day though. Huge difference from stock. I have had the car almost 21 years. It is a 2000 GT. I might have gone with a different cam and gears but those were added to the car long before I got the blower. Thanks for this video. I have not had a complete dyno just yet. Tried but there was a problem with the dyno once we thought we had the tune right. More to follow.
Not sure if you were directing your question at me. However, I will say that it has taken some serious tuning and elbow grease to get the car to perform up to my standards. The torque is unreal and it pulls even in 5th gear. I did have to replace the coupler on the supercharger recently. That was not a difficult task at all. I have not had a recent dyno and I don't really like to guess but if I had to ... I would say the car is around 430-450hp
Hi Richard,I can say I had that M90 blower 15yrs ago with VT Stage 3 cams and it was fun.I really regret selling it.This video made me smile.Thanks Chris.
Dude you are literally reading our minds these last few weeks! We LITERALLY have our '01 Mustang GT going on the chassis dyno next week with a VERY similar setup! Thanks for yet another great video and all the research/homework you do! Should be interesting to see how ours runs on the rollers versus yours on the engine dyno. Great content as always Sir!
Love it. I just bought a 98 Lincoln town car. Always loved them, smooth, sharp clean car. Don’t want or expect it to be the fastest car on the road. But love having big comfortable classy sharp looking car with some attitude/ power. And I’ll be working on it little by little. This video really helps me get an idea of what to expect out of my 4.6 2v. Thank you !
I'd love to see a cam shoot out for the 4.6 2v and maybe a budget boost build. Like a coyote rod, a budget piston either aftermarket or sourced from another 4.6/5.4 to see what you can do with one of these on a budget and where and what breaks at what level.
These "improvements" are allowing the performance increase if the original component is causing a restriction in the first place... your videos are helpful to see the results and options. Thank you
Would make a real good street car setup. I could see that being fun in something like an IRS swapped foxbody, but I’m a handling guy more than an all out power guy.
So glad I found this been searching everywhere to see if short tube or long tube was the way to go. And from this why would anyone buy short tube. Thank you a very awesome video.
For a truck owner who wishes they would have got the 5.4, the long tube header, throttle body and blower would be a good combo. +97 HP and +58lb-ft would probably eliminate feelings of "I could have had a 5.4!". Especially if you had one of the low power 4.6s like around 230HP.
I am besides myself happy that you got one of these rare blowers. I have a couple and they are probably my favorite. Yes they have alot of issues but I love how once its installed, you cant tell the car has a supercharger when looking at it unless you know them.
@@friendzoning I sold it but it held together fine. I kept the revs low (under 6200 rpm) and had a conservative tune. Keep it 400-450wh on low boost and you will be fine.
PAUSED AT 1:50: Dude. DUDE! Where were you when I installed this on my 97GT fifteen years ago. WOW. What a BLAST. Will keep watching - thanks for this!
Do the long tube headers take up more space than the OEM? . I'm interested in fitting them to my MG ZT 260 4.6 2V . But space might be an issue. Also, was that power output achieved without cats?
The 4.6 has great boost potential which some folks knew long ago, now it's a well known fact. Add a forged rotating assembly, up the boost and troll away.
1hp per cube is ok, but not that great. Look at the coyotes for example, 302 CI and they make 460 hp. Over 100hp more than its displacement. Same with the 392 Hemis, They make 480 hp. You see where Im going with this.
Also guys, a little research shows the Eaton M90 is also what they put on Grand Prix GTPs and such, and the M112 is what they put on Terminator Cobras.
I'm planning on doing a 2v for my channel using TFS heads and one of the blowers ported... Just need a Shortblock... I know the blower is going to be a huge restriction
So, all in all, you'll drop $10k (or thereabouts) on a 4.6 2V PI engine and have a 436 HP 428 lb ft V8(or basically the same power level as a stock Coyote). Considering the fact that you can get Coyotes fairly inexpensive nowadays (WAY less than $10k), I'd say it's a no brainer...Conclusion? Get a Mustang Coyote, get long tube headers, a bigger throttle body, a full 3" dual exhaust, and put a real cold air intake on it with a Tremec T5 or TR-3160 and you'll have a really quick and fairly powerful car. Me, I'd prefer a SN95 body style, or something around that time frame to a Fox body. Yeah, the Fox's are lighter, but I'd rather be comfortable with a good looking car. Even the 2005 body style would be sick to have a nice running Coyote in it instead of the anemic 4.6. P.S. I'm not saying that the 4.6 is a gutless turd at all, because they can make some REAL power when built well, but for my money I'd rather start with a Coyote and build it from there.
Actually if you choise your part right . It should cost you more the 4 or 5000$ built botyome end. You can see Richard's other 4.6 with ported heads and cam .he made 400hp easy . I've seen 450HP with all stock parts . Ford forged crank , rods , and trw posting set to 10.5/1 . ported PI heads . Ported PI intake .. aftermarket cams , 75 TB and 80 C&L M.A.F. and long tube headers . all don't in a back yards. I believe port was more expensive the the ford forged internals . I should try to find the dyno sheet . Internal was around 1200$ Porting of heads and intake was 1800$ Cams were 900$ Headers were 600$ new TB and M.A.F were About 350$ used . It's can be done . Yes the coyote has way more potential but at al bigger cost .
swapping an engine, well a different engine is a big deal for most if you shop around and don't get screwed on used parts of which there is a ton for the two valve you can build a pretty cool pretty powerful 2 valve for pretty cheap and sometimes people just have to run what they've got in the car So yeah of course the coyote would always be better and probably more cost effective in the end but people don't just have $10,000 they've got $200 here $500 there a thousand here
This is especially important with positive displacement blowers. The parasitic loss in turning the blower is less dependent on Rpm and more so the boost pressure it's pushing against. Supporting mods are far more important to make power on less boost while still keeping blower speed up
@@Dkzdrood cool as man. So your on the ford explorer Australia page on fb or the america . Good to know we think alike. But that blower im trying to even find a part number or actual manufacture. Having no luck either
@lyonnous bro i just posted on explorer page we on. Pics of these chargers an where to find em an info. Friend me on fb bro. I couldnt find u on the page
I love these videos. It brings back a lot of nostalgia of my time hot rodding Cobras and Lightnings and hanging out with friends who had GTs, Cobras, and Lightnings also. Then the fun races against F-bodies and Corvettes. Dodge didn't have much to compete at the time, so it was Ford vs. Chevy at the local dragstrip.
I'm putting a 4.6 2v in a 99 Ranger XLT and wasn't going to TEAR it apart before I did but when you said, The cams could be off from the factory I instantly changed my mind.. Wasn't hard I really wanted in there anyways LOL
Thanks. I'm thinking of taking my 2000 Grand Marquis and making it... Better. Heads, camshaft, manifold, headers, dual exhaust - a sleeper for cross country travel... In style.
Loved comparing these results with your diy m90 5.3 results. Really wonder why the 5.3 with stock pulley didnt put down same as the 4.6 though. I wounder how much better the ford racing m90 is vs the stock gm 3.8
This could still be a fun daily driven combo in a New Edge to this day. Geared right it would get good mileage and have enough pop to merge on the highway and from light to light.
I keep reading that the FRPP/SVO blowers were M112 superchargers, not the M90. There seems to be a few sources that say otherwise but after looking at the rotors and length of the case, its definitely longer than the M90 case/rotor pack.
Another great video. I appreciate the 1-piece at a time changes and corresponding dyno tests. What would be nice to see would be the difference between a stock PI motor, and just swapping the heads out for the Trick Flow heads still using the stock everything else. All I see is the Trick Flow heads and a cam swap at the same time. A slightly more aggressive cam than the stock PI cam can on a stock PI motor give around a 30 HP increase on its own.
Thank you so much richard! For this comparisons! Im a mod motor guy from the day i bought my 98gt 11years ago! Had the chance to try different setup and blown multiple bloc! I would like sone conparison betwin intakes! Pi vs bullitt vs vic jr vs trick flow! I had a pi and now run. Bullitt and it feal so much more healty right now!
Hey richard! Great bolt one but i wish you had done all the bolt on one by one before installing the supercharger! For those who want to stay n/a or dont have money for supercharger heat soaker ! More 4.6 2v content plzz!!🤓🤓🤓
Ported heads, ported blower, and water/methanol injection help. Pulley I had was 9-10lbs with no slippage. I think Roxanne shepherd was running 12-15lbs.
Cool video. I drive a Lincoln TC. I love it. Iv never seen my tach and over 3000 before. Maybe one day ill turn off the traction control and do some burnout's.
For any of the new edge owners wondering. Foxcast media pretty much has a build series on how to drop a coyote engine into these cars for a little over 5 grand. Best bang for ur buck.
I would like to see a LS version. Such as starting with a stock engine, then a blower, then do boltons past that to see what kind of gains you get on a boosted engine. Could even do a turbo engine.
The date modified on the dyno chart is 2004, he goes over articles he did years ago (from time to time) and gives us the info in video format. I dig it.
@@Reffuhnayr thats makes sense then. I swear i had read this very story in a mag year ago and that blower is just so out of date.. i was a bit confused with it..lol
What is not said in this video is how these mods affect the motor and the vehicles bulletproof reliability. These motors are known to go for many hundreds of thousands of miles. I have a stock 2001 gt with 230,000 miles and still going. So how does these nods affect it's daily driving ability? Turning it into a hot road that is a second or third vehicle? And also not mentioned is that all these mods are going to lead to other mods as well such as bigger brakes, etc to cope with all that power. And that original transmission won't survive either with these upgrades. When you start doing good the numbers you will quickly find your putting a lot of money into it. It's fine if your a diy person, have your own shop etc and this is not your primary vehicle. It's just that some of these mods lead to many others you have to do as well.
Love these videos! Especially the "other guys" I would really like to see a modular V10! I had one in a excursion I put a y pipe with a Banks tuner and Intake. It really woke it up, and then I had 4.30s installed. It had no business being as fast as it was. Made me wonder what could be done with cams and forced induction.
The Y pipes were huge restrictions for the excursions & super dutys. It gave that V-10 that weird pinging exhaust note. Fun fact the econoline vans didn't have that same Y pipe for the V-10, thats y they sounded so much better. On the Excursions I thought they all came with 4:30 rear ends? Or was that an option?
@@BrownBomber92181 3.73s were standard. I'm note sure that there was an "upcharge" for 4.30s. But yes I definitely had 3.73s. At about a 100k miles I started hearing what sounded like a bad universal joint. Turned out to be a bad bearing in the rear end. That's when I asked what gears were in it and they confirmed they were 3.73s. And I asked for yukon 4.30s. I am very neurotic about my rpms when I'm driving, so I pay alot of attention them. Based on my before and after rpm calculations, it seems to confirm they were 3.73s. I now have an 05 6.0 excursion and it has 3.73s as well. Probably the worst financial mistake I've ever made lol. I should've kept the v10
Knowing this, Im going to make sure to include long tube headers when I build a 4.6L for my 1995 Ford Thunderbird, hopefully i can make em fit without too much cutting and relocating of steering shaft.
Brilliant test to watch. Love these tests. Keep them coming. Hey, could you do a comparison using say a 327-350 CID motor with a dual-plane RPM Performer airgap using either Holley Sniper or 750 but try some different 1-inch four-hole spacers like the Hamburgers, Wilsons, Airaids helix, Jet, HVH Street sweeper and the Taylor Cable helix 4 hole spacers??? Be interested to see what difference these dirrerent types of spacer to as I am wanting to run a 1 inch four hole spacer using my new Sniper on a dual plane manifold V8.
How did you find that blower kit? I can't find it anywhere for sale used! I have a relatively stock 2V and want this blower to give me more power with one mod and keep it really drivable.
I love you show so many engines love, I'm even looking forward to your rb25 video so I might sell my rb parts. I'm super looking forward to this video as I own a 09 Vic and one day it will need more power
The compression and the small supercharger is whats really holding this motor back. Higher compression (10.5:1 maybe) a bigger supercharger and e85 would definitely wake this motor up. I'd imagine power with the above modifications mentioned this little motor would easily break 500hp. At that point however the connecting rods would be the weak point if they were stock, which is what I'm led to belive.
@@richardholdener1727 wow, im impressed. I was led to belive the connecting rods were a weak link but its nice to be wrong in this case. Thank you sir!
I can't tell you how many people back in the day were trying to tune 4.6s like it was a pushrod 5.0. Same with new dodges. People just lean the fuck out of them and change nothing else hoping to just gain horsepower. Do you notice how when a platform first comes out, there's always that one company that just fucks everything up. For the Coyote it was Bama, offhand I can't remember who was blowing up all the hellcats and SRT8s. Back in the early MAF pushrod days it was anything bbk lol.
was not aware that ford racing supercharger even existed. seems sorta pointless unless it is priced at under a thousand dollars and noticed that the cam swap was a minor jump in power when considering there was boost involved. Would like to have seen a before and after short header with boost ? I mean if shorty headers made an extra lets say 8 hp over stock manifolds on a boosted application ? I mean I picked up a set of ford racing shorty headers for $65 and ceramic coated them and yes they are a lot lighter then the stock manifolds which is a plus. Main reason did not switch to long tubes is because I have stainless steel bassani X pipe and live in PA and do not want to use mild steel to hook up long tubes to my X pipe.
I'm curious what the figures would be if you were to put the shorty/stock headers on with the high boost pulley supercharger... I'm guessing power would go down a bit, but I'm curious how much...
I had an idea about using acetone as a chemical inter cooler. I think it would be cool to see you use it in a non inter cooled setup like this so see what it does to the power curve. I’m pretty sure acetone is 104 octane if I’m correct and I think it has oxygen in it as well so I’d be curious to see how it affects the afr’s. I hope you take my comment in to consideration on a future video maybe experiment with a cheap motor at first non-boosted to see what happens before stepping it up.
Love these comparisons of low budget builds. Not for the rich peoples but for the budget minded.
That's why I watch Richards channel. There is so much information, for all price ranges. And the most valuable, is his knowledge and experience what he shares. He literally wrote the books on this subject, and shares it. Love the guy!
@@ifgezroxy I wouldn't say the the 4.6 is the a very budget friendly motor i mean them kooks headers are like 1,300 bucks. This is coming from someone that owns a 2v 4.6 Twin Turbo Crown Vic. The 4.6 alone yea, the mods no. A lot of people are for sure starting to figure out what the 4.6 can really do tho.
That’s why you should be building stuff with an ls, the power they can create for hardly any money is undeniable, my blue oval pride told me not to give in to the urge to enjoy Chevy too, but now I’m turbo 5.3 swapping my 86 notchback, and couldn’t be happier with the “future proof” of these Chevy engines, they’re easily able to handle much more power than what I initially throw at it, and can be built for relatively cheap!
@@RegulerShowTV I never was a huge fan of any of the 72 and newer blue ovals. Up until 2018 moosetangs, the performance from off the floor stock had not been up to par. But yea the Lego adult world says a lsx turbo in any ford is the way to go now. I want an old 49 deluxe with a twin 72mm 4.8 and t56 trans.
@@Chillvein they can be pretty budget now. I can pickup a PI 4.6L for $150 bucks at the wreckers for the long block
I'm a simple man I see a 2V engine video and I have to hit the like button
I see any mod motor video and I drop a like
Thank you for this one...
some of us got 2v/3v 4.6..
all of us can’t afford a 5.0 swap... 👌
Just do an LS swap make it better
Hey, your car will always sound WAY better than any Coyote!
I've never understood why Ford people think that those newer model Mustang sound good they sound just like a farm truck with no mufflers
@@bradhaliburton5974 pretty much all these new pony cars sound like skinny jean wearing grandchildren of mucle cars..lol Cant beat the 2v sound tho..
I have to say that one of the best sounding engines is a 4.6 4V with just an X pipe. Something about the combination just sounds great.
Hey Richard, I just want to let you know that your hard work in producing these videos is very much appreciated, the time it takes to assemble and disassemble various engines and conducting comprehensive tests to determine the specific outcomes is a time consuming arduous task and not only that part but then taking the time to video record your efforts and then produce these interesting videos is amazing. On top of that you are doing this for our benefit while we sit at our leisure enjoying your hard work. Anyone giving you a thumbs down on your work should be ashamed as they have no idea of the effort you put into producing fantastic content. Thanks so much! John
looks to me like he did this run in 2004 according to the dates on the files in his pc, he is just putting that info out there now for everyone to see.
This video was needed for a lot of New edge mustang owners
I watched this video with a big smile. The final setup is very similar to my setup. I have the FRPP SVO blower (9 psi), a 90MM Lightning MAF, 70MM throttle body, Comp XE270AH Cams w/Ported PI heads, Longtubes, catted H-pipe, 4.10 gears, Snow Performance water/meth injection. Biggest issue I have is IATs even with water methanol. The car pulls like crazy on a cool day though. Huge difference from stock. I have had the car almost 21 years. It is a 2000 GT. I might have gone with a different cam and gears but those were added to the car long before I got the blower. Thanks for this video. I have not had a complete dyno just yet. Tried but there was a problem with the dyno once we thought we had the tune right. More to follow.
Has any of these modifications affected the reliability of it?
Not sure if you were directing your question at me. However, I will say that it has taken some serious tuning and elbow grease to get the car to perform up to my standards. The torque is unreal and it pulls even in 5th gear. I did have to replace the coupler on the supercharger recently. That was not a difficult task at all. I have not had a recent dyno and I don't really like to guess but if I had to ... I would say the car is around 430-450hp
Nothing sounds meaner than a 4.6 with good exhaust!
Hi Richard,I can say I had that M90 blower 15yrs ago with VT Stage 3 cams and it was fun.I really regret selling it.This video made me smile.Thanks Chris.
Dude you are literally reading our minds these last few weeks! We LITERALLY have our '01 Mustang GT going on the chassis dyno next week with a VERY similar setup! Thanks for yet another great video and all the research/homework you do! Should be interesting to see how ours runs on the rollers versus yours on the engine dyno. Great content as always Sir!
Where did you find the supercharger?
@@martygriggs1755 it actually came on a blown up motor brought to us in a blown up Mustang. But it'll have a new life now!
@@LucoreAuto hey if you still have it can I have a part number for that supercharger
@@tyjaebowie933 ruclips.net/video/aCZHh4RIrI4/видео.html
Every build should be done exactly like this beautiful presentation!
This is the benchmark.
Love it. I just bought a 98 Lincoln town car. Always loved them, smooth, sharp clean car. Don’t want or expect it to be the fastest car on the road. But love having big comfortable classy sharp looking car with some attitude/ power. And I’ll be working on it little by little. This video really helps me get an idea of what to expect out of my 4.6 2v. Thank you !
I'd love to see a cam shoot out for the 4.6 2v and maybe a budget boost build. Like a coyote rod, a budget piston either aftermarket or sourced from another 4.6/5.4 to see what you can do with one of these on a budget and where and what breaks at what level.
I kinda have a sweetspot for the 4.6mod motor. Esp in a crown vic.
Grand Marquis as well. A cheap Town Car.
This. Just bought an 03 LX Sport, and it's begging for more power.
3 years late to the party but just got my 1st 2v in a 98 Mustang gt. Turning it up as money allows. Thank you for the great info Richard.
Damn I need this for my crown vic!!!!!!
These "improvements" are allowing the performance increase if the original component is causing a restriction in the first place... your videos are helpful to see the results and options.
Thank you
That supercharger looks really compact and easy to install.
My favorite format - one step at a time!
That's a pretty slick kit. The area under the curve goes up hugely
Would make a real good street car setup. I could see that being fun in something like an IRS swapped foxbody, but I’m a handling guy more than an all out power guy.
So glad I found this been searching everywhere to see if short tube or long tube was the way to go. And from this why would anyone buy short tube. Thank you a very awesome video.
Glad I could help!
For a truck owner who wishes they would have got the 5.4, the long tube header, throttle body and blower would be a good combo. +97 HP and +58lb-ft would probably eliminate feelings of "I could have had a 5.4!". Especially if you had one of the low power 4.6s like around 230HP.
Absolutely the best I seen on this engine it's great and there's lots of them
How does this video not have 10billion views
Had a ‘98 non-pi back in the day. What a turd. Had decent torque though and sounded great.
Adding the PI heads on a non-PI motor gives it higher compression than a stock PI motor, because of the flat top pistons.
I am besides myself happy that you got one of these rare blowers. I have a couple and they are probably my favorite. Yes they have alot of issues but I love how once its installed, you cant tell the car has a supercharger when looking at it unless you know them.
My 2V on 12lbs with comp cams runs very good. Holding together so far. The 2V gets a lot of hate but I love mine.
any updates bro? im planning on supercharging my 2v and i would like to know if its a good idea, thanks
@@friendzoning I sold it but it held together fine. I kept the revs low (under 6200 rpm) and had a conservative tune. Keep it 400-450wh on low boost and you will be fine.
What kind of supercharger did you use? Centrifugal or positive displacement?
@@DavidValdezBigWaveDave Procharger D1SC on a 3.85 pulley, stock lower.
@@RJon2006 sick 😎
Thanks Richard! Anyone have the old part number for the Ford Racing M90 supercharger kit?
PAUSED AT 1:50: Dude. DUDE! Where were you when I installed this on my 97GT fifteen years ago. WOW. What a BLAST. Will keep watching - thanks for this!
Ive got a 97 GT would like to bump it up a little bit, love comparisons like this where it's not a $50k+ car with $20k+ in mods
I love this installment! Great combo of upgrades. Thanks!
Everything I needed to know before proceeding to rebuild my 97 f150 with the 4.6l 2 valve.
Great video, but.... why oh why did they pull that thing apart and put forged piston in it and leave the stock Achilles heel rods in it???
Always love watching your very informative videos. Please keep them up!
Do the long tube headers take up more space than the OEM? . I'm interested in fitting them to my MG ZT 260 4.6 2V . But space might be an issue.
Also, was that power output achieved without cats?
there were no cats on the dyno and long tube headers do take up more space
@@richardholdener1727 there is not a lot of room on the ZT v8 . Might see about getting some custom long headers made in that case.
I love these engines. I own a turbo '98 mustang gt. Fav car ever.
Just look at the base numbers, stock it's already make 1hp per cube. It's only 281 inches
I know, and people hate on it for being weak, it already does pretty damn good.
The 4.6 has great boost potential which some folks knew long ago, now it's a well known fact. Add a forged rotating assembly, up the boost and troll away.
@@JesusSaves86AB ikr!
1hp per cube is ok, but not that great. Look at the coyotes for example, 302 CI and they make 460 hp. Over 100hp more than its displacement. Same with the 392 Hemis, They make 480 hp. You see where Im going with this.
@@chrishernandez2490 they're also like 10 years newer than the 2valve, and the 4 valve easily makee over 400 when you let them breath.
Perfect set up for a stock bottom end 2v tho even though you’ll run into a lot of heat soak issues with the m90
Also guys, a little research shows the Eaton M90 is also what they put on Grand Prix GTPs and such, and the M112 is what they put on Terminator Cobras.
I'm planning on doing a 2v for my channel using TFS heads and one of the blowers ported... Just need a Shortblock... I know the blower is going to be a huge restriction
So, all in all, you'll drop $10k (or thereabouts) on a 4.6 2V PI engine and have a 436 HP 428 lb ft V8(or basically the same power level as a stock Coyote). Considering the fact that you can get Coyotes fairly inexpensive nowadays (WAY less than $10k), I'd say it's a no brainer...Conclusion? Get a Mustang Coyote, get long tube headers, a bigger throttle body, a full 3" dual exhaust, and put a real cold air intake on it with a Tremec T5 or TR-3160 and you'll have a really quick and fairly powerful car. Me, I'd prefer a SN95 body style, or something around that time frame to a Fox body. Yeah, the Fox's are lighter, but I'd rather be comfortable with a good looking car. Even the 2005 body style would be sick to have a nice running Coyote in it instead of the anemic 4.6. P.S. I'm not saying that the 4.6 is a gutless turd at all, because they can make some REAL power when built well, but for my money I'd rather start with a Coyote and build it from there.
That is true.. but swapping that engine out probably is not for the average Joe
Actually if you choise your part right . It should cost you more the 4 or 5000$ built botyome end.
You can see Richard's other 4.6 with ported heads and cam .he made 400hp easy .
I've seen 450HP with all stock parts . Ford forged crank , rods , and trw posting set to 10.5/1 . ported PI heads . Ported PI intake .. aftermarket cams , 75 TB and 80 C&L M.A.F. and long tube headers . all don't in a back yards. I believe port was more expensive the the ford forged internals . I should try to find the dyno sheet .
Internal was around 1200$
Porting of heads and intake was
1800$
Cams were
900$
Headers were
600$ new
TB and M.A.F were
About 350$ used .
It's can be done .
Yes the coyote has way more potential but at al bigger cost .
@@Spad68 a 4v 4.6 can easily make coyote power on a much smaller budget. 2vs are great dailys.
a 5.0 wil drop into a '96 and up Mustang
swapping an engine, well a different engine is a big deal for most if you shop around and don't get screwed on used parts of which there is a ton for the two valve you can build a pretty cool pretty powerful 2 valve for pretty cheap and sometimes people just have to run what they've got in the car So yeah of course the coyote would always be better and probably more cost effective in the end but people don't just have $10,000 they've got $200 here $500 there a thousand here
Very informative! I will be ordering my long tubes immediately !!
9:45 Many people don't know that pressure is a function of restriction and not flow.
Yeah that boost reading in psi is basically what the heads can't flow the excess air as I understand it
This is especially important with positive displacement blowers. The parasitic loss in turning the blower is less dependent on Rpm and more so the boost pressure it's pushing against. Supporting mods are far more important to make power on less boost while still keeping blower speed up
Thanks man I been looking for a video like this for a while
I got a 4.6 2v in my explorer, I been thinking about this. Cheers for all the hard work mate.
I just bought an explorer with the same engine. Im in the same page as you, bro. I've been looking and looking for that supercharger
@@Dkzdrood cool as man. So your on the ford explorer Australia page on fb or the america . Good to know we think alike. But that blower im trying to even find a part number or actual manufacture. Having no luck either
@lyonnous bro i just posted on explorer page we on. Pics of these chargers an where to find em an info. Friend me on fb bro. I couldnt find u on the page
Fabulous work Richard
I’m here for the shorty vs long tubes 👍🏽
I love these videos. It brings back a lot of nostalgia of my time hot rodding Cobras and Lightnings and hanging out with friends who had GTs, Cobras, and Lightnings also. Then the fun races against F-bodies and Corvettes. Dodge didn't have much to compete at the time, so it was Ford vs. Chevy at the local dragstrip.
Great explanation and good video, what I don't understand is that if you have to change injectors, sensors and ECU. Thanks
we did change injectors-we use a stand alone ecu (not factory)
I'm putting a 4.6 2v in a 99 Ranger XLT and wasn't going to TEAR it apart before I did but when you said, The cams could be off from the factory I instantly changed my mind.. Wasn't hard I really wanted in there anyways LOL
Thanks. I'm thinking of taking my 2000 Grand Marquis and making it...
Better. Heads, camshaft, manifold, headers, dual exhaust - a sleeper for cross country travel...
In style.
I love this. This is something a normal, daily driver with a normal budget could do and still have a fun car. Now I'm missing my 01' GT 😭😭😭
230,000 miles and still counting on my gt😀
@@brandonburr4900 Man! That warms my heart! Thanks Brandon!
Please do a video 4.6/3v Ford racing... and others ...but with and without CMCV... no one has
lots of 3V testing
Loved comparing these results with your diy m90 5.3 results.
Really wonder why the 5.3 with stock pulley didnt put down same as the 4.6 though. I wounder how much better the ford racing m90 is vs the stock gm 3.8
This could still be a fun daily driven combo in a New Edge to this day. Geared right it would get good mileage and have enough pop to merge on the highway and from light to light.
I keep reading that the FRPP/SVO blowers were M112 superchargers, not the M90. There seems to be a few sources that say otherwise but after looking at the rotors and length of the case, its definitely longer than the M90 case/rotor pack.
Another great video. I appreciate the 1-piece at a time changes and corresponding dyno tests. What would be nice to see would be the difference between a stock PI motor, and just swapping the heads out for the Trick Flow heads still using the stock everything else. All I see is the Trick Flow heads and a cam swap at the same time. A slightly more aggressive cam than the stock PI cam can on a stock PI motor give around a 30 HP increase on its own.
Thank you so much richard! For this comparisons! Im a mod motor guy from the day i bought my 98gt 11years ago! Had the chance to try different setup and blown multiple bloc!
I would like sone conparison betwin intakes! Pi vs bullitt vs vic jr vs trick flow! I had a pi and now run. Bullitt and it feal so much more healty right now!
This is a good what if video if you just wanted to wake up an engine you already have.
Thx fir all your work which allows us to make are minds up an which way we should go
happy to help
I really love these step by step tests!
Your videos are always great
Hey richard! Great bolt one but i wish you had done all the bolt on one by one before installing the supercharger! For those who want to stay n/a or dont have money for supercharger heat soaker !
More 4.6 2v content plzz!!🤓🤓🤓
Good stuff. I may very well make the same changes along with the cam upgrade. Great video, thanks!
Now I wanna see that 3800 test with maxed out stock supercharger even more. I wonder if it's going to be close to this Ford :)
Ported heads, ported blower, and water/methanol injection help. Pulley I had was 9-10lbs with no slippage. I think Roxanne shepherd was running 12-15lbs.
Cool video. I drive a Lincoln TC. I love it. Iv never seen my tach and over 3000 before. Maybe one day ill turn off the traction control and do some burnout's.
I love this guy.
Fantastic video, man...
And I'm impressed with the power results
For any of the new edge owners wondering. Foxcast media pretty much has a build series on how to drop a coyote engine into these cars for a little over 5 grand. Best bang for ur buck.
This!! ^
I would like to see a LS version. Such as starting with a stock engine, then a blower, then do boltons past that to see what kind of gains you get on a boosted engine. Could even do a turbo engine.
Please no. LS tests have been done to death.
Enjoyed the comparisons
Great video! Can we get part numbers for the Eaton M90 blower and the TB and cams? Thanks!
Great street performance!
They stopped selling the blower kit over a decade or more ago.....
The date modified on the dyno chart is 2004, he goes over articles he did years ago (from time to time) and gives us the info in video format. I dig it.
@@Reffuhnayr thats makes sense then. I swear i had read this very story in a mag year ago and that blower is just so out of date.. i was a bit confused with it..lol
2nd hand and rebuild is a good option
I cant find the supercharger in the thumbnail I've been looking for days
This was awesome! I'd love to see an all out 2v, maybe with dyno videos???
Good job! Wondering about the adjustable snow kit?
This was a cool episode
I love 4.6s. Keep the awesome videos coming. :)
What is not said in this video is how these mods affect the motor and the vehicles bulletproof reliability. These motors are known to go for many hundreds of thousands of miles. I have a stock 2001 gt with 230,000 miles and still going. So how does these nods affect it's daily driving ability? Turning it into a hot road that is a second or third vehicle? And also not mentioned is that all these mods are going to lead to other mods as well such as bigger brakes, etc to cope with all that power. And that original transmission won't survive either with these upgrades. When you start doing good the numbers you will quickly find your putting a lot of money into it. It's fine if your a diy person, have your own shop etc and this is not your primary vehicle. It's just that some of these mods lead to many others you have to do as well.
Great Video.. Thanks
Finally a good 4.6 2v Dyno test.
Love these videos! Especially the "other guys" I would really like to see a modular V10! I had one in a excursion I put a y pipe with a Banks tuner and Intake. It really woke it up, and then I had 4.30s installed. It had no business being as fast as it was. Made me wonder what could be done with cams and forced induction.
The Y pipes were huge restrictions for the excursions & super dutys. It gave that V-10 that weird pinging exhaust note. Fun fact the econoline vans didn't have that same Y pipe for the V-10, thats y they sounded so much better. On the Excursions I thought they all came with 4:30 rear ends? Or was that an option?
@@BrownBomber92181 3.73s were standard. I'm note sure that there was an "upcharge" for 4.30s. But yes I definitely had 3.73s. At about a 100k miles I started hearing what sounded like a bad universal joint. Turned out to be a bad bearing in the rear end. That's when I asked what gears were in it and they confirmed they were 3.73s. And I asked for yukon 4.30s. I am very neurotic about my rpms when I'm driving, so I pay alot of attention them. Based on my before and after rpm calculations, it seems to confirm they were 3.73s. I now have an 05 6.0 excursion and it has 3.73s as well. Probably the worst financial mistake I've ever made lol. I should've kept the v10
Knowing this, Im going to make sure to include long tube headers when I build a 4.6L for my 1995 Ford Thunderbird, hopefully i can make em fit without too much cutting and relocating of steering shaft.
Did you build your bird? Howd it do?
Brilliant test to watch. Love these tests. Keep them coming. Hey, could you do a comparison using say a 327-350 CID motor with a dual-plane RPM Performer airgap using either Holley Sniper or 750 but try some different 1-inch four-hole spacers like the Hamburgers, Wilsons, Airaids helix, Jet, HVH Street sweeper and the Taylor Cable helix 4 hole spacers??? Be interested to see what difference these dirrerent types of spacer to as I am wanting to run a 1 inch four hole spacer using my new Sniper on a dual plane manifold V8.
How did you find that blower kit? I can't find it anywhere for sale used! I have a relatively stock 2V and want this blower to give me more power with one mod and keep it really drivable.
I love you show so many engines love, I'm even looking forward to your rb25 video so I might sell my rb parts. I'm super looking forward to this video as I own a 09 Vic and one day it will need more power
The compression and the small supercharger is whats really holding this motor back. Higher compression (10.5:1 maybe) a bigger supercharger and e85 would definitely wake this motor up. I'd imagine power with the above modifications mentioned this little motor would easily break 500hp. At that point however the connecting rods would be the weak point if they were stock, which is what I'm led to belive.
we ran a Kenne Bell and Vortech on a 2V motor up past 600 hp with stock internals
@@richardholdener1727 wow, im impressed. I was led to belive the connecting rods were a weak link but its nice to be wrong in this case. Thank you sir!
I can't tell you how many people back in the day were trying to tune 4.6s like it was a pushrod 5.0. Same with new dodges. People just lean the fuck out of them and change nothing else hoping to just gain horsepower. Do you notice how when a platform first comes out, there's always that one company that just fucks everything up. For the Coyote it was Bama, offhand I can't remember who was blowing up all the hellcats and SRT8s. Back in the early MAF pushrod days it was anything bbk lol.
I'd love to see a budget turbo 4.6 4v build. As I am swapping one into a 59' Ford Station wagon
Thank you. This is the info we all need and want
If I did this stuff to my 2valve it would be fine?
where can i find that blower kit???
no longer avail
Why isn’t there more aftermarket for the Modular engine as well as more NA builds always see these Goddam things with some type of power adder
Thank you I've been looking for performance out of my old tired Lincoln Town Car and this seems to be the ticket... Without getting too crazy.
wait was this on stock internals?
was not aware that ford racing supercharger even existed. seems sorta pointless unless it is priced at under a thousand dollars and noticed that the cam swap was a minor jump in power when considering there was boost involved. Would like to have seen a before and after short header with boost ? I mean if shorty headers made an extra lets say 8 hp over stock manifolds on a boosted application ? I mean I picked up a set of ford racing shorty headers for $65 and ceramic coated them and yes they are a lot lighter then the stock manifolds which is a plus. Main reason did not switch to long tubes is because I have stainless steel bassani X pipe and live in PA and do not want to use mild steel to hook up long tubes to my X pipe.
It's an M112 not an M90. Still getting it wrong 15 years after you made the same mistake in the magazine article.
Who gives a shit, a small mistake after working on 1000 of engines wow, I’ll gamble with those odds
Love these videos!!!!!
I'm curious what the figures would be if you were to put the shorty/stock headers on with the high boost pulley supercharger... I'm guessing power would go down a bit, but I'm curious how much...
Do you have any 4.6 3v tests in your bag of tricks? How good were those motors? Did they suffer the same cam phaser problems as the 5.4?
No it was the photon torpedoes and not the phasers
I had an idea about using acetone as a chemical inter cooler. I think it would be cool to see you use it in a non inter cooled setup like this so see what it does to the power curve. I’m pretty sure acetone is 104 octane if I’m correct and I think it has oxygen in it as well so I’d be curious to see how it affects the afr’s. I hope you take my comment in to consideration on a future video maybe experiment with a cheap motor at first non-boosted to see what happens before stepping it up.
Anyone knows where I can get that ford racing supercharger?