would be fun to see a stock shortblock in your car with the current turbo setup. that would be the ultimate torture test. haha. 60' before inspection window?
Watch your videos regularly. I always had a thing for the under dog. And the 4.6 2V is definitely an underdog in today’s world .Glad the aftermarket has stepped up a little. Like tickflow coming out with some race port 195cc heads now. 👍
I Love 2V's I have built a 304" 2V 13 to 1 compression Carbed with Nitrous that runs 8.90's @ 160mph in the 1/4. We won the Mod Nationals twice with this combo... So they can be made to run!
This man is a saint!! I have searched the internet high and low for fab and build channels that play with the 2v and nobody touches them with a 6 foot pole! I'd love to see you blow one up for science
This needs to be a reality. Needs. There have to be twice as many 4.6 2vs sitting around doing nothing that need to see some boost examples. Like at exactly what point do the rods fold, if you replace rods, when do the pistons shatter? Supposedly the crank is good for the end of the block. Purely a vote, but I suggest 4.6 from a panther because itll probably be the cheapest. Itll be iron and it will have the worst parts of almost any of them.
I've never hated the 4.6 2 valve engines but I was never crazy about them, until now. With trick flow heads, built bottom end and more boost you can go even further with these things. Love this vid and thanks for shining more light on the little mod motor.
4.6, 2 valve Smaller displacement v8 with a short stroke. These engines with a few basic improvements can have a very broad range of power and these suckers rev up. Andrew lavender has a built 2v on boost, turbo, and he beats the piss out of that car. I think he said his rev limit is right about 8,100-8,200 on pump E85 in his earlier days. I'm a huge fan of the 2v engines. Simple, very durable and they sound good. By far one of the best budget engines to work with for both simplicity and they are tough. Definitely do a big bang 4.6, but keep it as budget minded as possible as that's why guys buy these because they're so inexpensive and easy to find. Let's see what kind of numbers you can get out of them before the rods, pistons, bearings or block, maybe a slurry of all of the above. Lol
I agree, I love the 4.6 and they are the best sounding engines. I was shocked this 2 valve put down as much horsepower and more torque than the 01’ 4 valve he tested with the different intakes.
I am an unabashed hater of the Ford mod motors. You blew me away with the h/c/i 4.6 combo. I was NOT expecting so much power nor such a beautiful curve from an NA 4.6. Keep up the great work Richard!
Colton Robinson and RyTrapp0 : Ford learned from what it did with the Cosworth Belt Drive A and DFV and DFX and Cleveland engines, which were 3.78 and 4.38 bore spacing engines spat out from the same basic mass production transfer line. Even the Hart 850 hp alloy BDT and Cosworth alloy DFX Indy Cart 850 hp and NASCAR 351W/C engines were essentially almost a mass produced aftermarket race engine cobbled up from Fords iron engine base. The basic Mod engine is a pizza base. Ford had other engines on the 3.937 inch spacing Mod platform that made awesome ZR1 Corvette quad cam and more power. The 281 cuber iron 2V was just a door stop that sold in REAL volume and stopped people buying Celicas , Scions and spindly rod 4.7 Tundras.Fords pizza base plus approach ment the eventual alloy block 4.6, 5.0 and Ford GT 5.4 Four Valver stuff also goes right on any iron block base. Its basics are sound, the crack off powdered rods are going to be okay on a dyno, not in the real world. But remember the Holdener 1046 hp 5.8 liter turbo truck F150 engine which used stock 5.936 inch Windsor forged rods. Epic Fail! The 4.6 liter...it should have been born a 5 liter instead of a 4.6 from birth. Ford had decided to make the Teskid Cammer its lead halo engine. The single cam per bank 4.6 was born 15% down on power and torque from birth. Ford did that on purpose. It sold more of them that way.
With the ported heads they used, I wish they would've used a .550 lift instead of the .500". They would've seen even better #'s. I definitely agree with what you said.
Fun fact: Ford does not have an actual verified production number for the amount of 2v engines manufactured. They have Precise data on how many and which vehicles had the 2v installed, and they have precise data for how many 4.6 blocks were used, but they do not have a fully accurate number for how many 2v engines they actually made.
2v 4.6’s are great engine’s. Ford was still using them in 2010 I have a 2010 F-150 rolled off the line with a 4.6 2v. Most trucks 09-10 f150’s received the 5.4 and 4.6 3v. But the simple reliable 4.6 2v was still an option even in 2010.
Frr I have a 2010 ford f150 single cab 2v and it feels pretty good for a daily , not slow but not fast because they changed our transmission In 08 they had the 4r70w and in 2009 2010 they put the transmission from 5.4 3v 4r75e on my our truck 2v
@@Slow_f15023 my 2003 5.4 2v has a 4r100 and a 10.25 rear end. It runs on natural gas which has 120 octane equivalent. I want to do a high compression (15:1?) n/a motor. Not sure if it’s been done.
All crown vics from 92 till 2011 have 2v's. It's kind of interesting how little most people know about cars, I've had people ask the oddest questions is that a v6? What does that have in it a 302, is that a big block? Is that the police interceptor motor? 🤦♂️
I love this engine, mine is built with a hellion kit and made 535whp at 14lbs of boost on a mustang dyno. I'm estimating 630whp on a dynojet. These engines also make better torque than the 4 valve engines.
Do you use the Stock pistons? Did you decrease your comp ratio before boosting it that much? My 2v blew up because the Former owner Did a saleen supercharger upgrade and i think He Did shit😅 now im looking for a New engine to put the charger on and i want it to last 💪
@@henrikmeyer9692find whatever low mile 2V you can and just do a basic rebuild on it. Replace the springs, lifters, etc…port the heads if you want, add longtubes, and use Gen 2 coyote rods with some drop in pistons. Will hold 550-600whp all day.
@@GTkyle yes. Exact same specs. My buddy is building an engine for his 98 GT using a 99 cobra block, 03 Cobra crank, Gen yote rods, and PI heads with some comp cams. Will be mated to a TKX. He has an old Kennebell 2.1 setup. He should be making 600whp with 12-13 pounds.
@@TheJMan1K that's amazing. The general consensus from back in the day is the 6 bolt crank is good to 600. I'd almost just want to do rods and pistons in an explorer WAP block. I appreciate the info!
The tritons are tough as nails, my dad has a 5.4 with 240,000 miles on it stock motor and transmission, he treats it like shit, never changes oil or does any maintenance whatsoever, and drives like the Indy 500 everywhere he goes, those trucks were just built to go, they have no quit in em, my 97 4.6 runs like a dream
NOPE. The 2 valve is A SAINT and a WARRIOR. NOW, the 3 VALVE, no matter what size . . . THAT IS A GENUINE P.O.S. Dude, you always deliver ! Still haven't watch a video from you that made my jump to something else. Good work, Sir ! 👌🏻😎👍🏻
this is the most scientific and well explained video on this topic I've seen! Everything taken into account between camshaft differences and two different types of superchargers. Awesome explanation and it took a lot of work and testing to give us this information. Hats off.
I have 4.6L Fox body body with a procharger and cams. It made 440whp/400wtq when it was in my 2001. 15* of timing on 93. Works excellent and pulls like a freight train.
The reason they made so many of the 2V engines is because they run for ever if you don't mess with them. As long as the intake manifold doesn't leak, unmolested 2Vs will run for well over 150,000 miles
150,000 isn't even that much... I've had G.M. 3800's that went well into the 300,000+ range. Next time you are at a boneyard, take a look at the odometers of the 3800 cars you see there. You'll see HIGH miles on most of them. Usually the car has rusted apart around the engine, or has been in a crash, and that is why it's there.
One of the 2V's major design flaws was the plastic coolant crossover. Since the timing chain covers block the front of the engine, Ford couldn't move the crossover down into the water pump casting, as GM did with the Gen 3 (LS). This is why the LS has 2 coolant holes on each leg of the water pump - the top ones function as the crossover since those 2 holes make 90 degree angles once in the block to connect the head water passages. Random factoid....
A Big Bang 4.6 2v test would be awesome! A lot of people saying 400-450whp is the limit and I would like to know what fails. They always say rods fail but I wonder if that’s to weak rods in general or if it’s ring gap. So many 2vs out there some legit testing would be sweet
A big bang 2v would be cool to see. Put the higher lift cams in it from comp with those ported heads and PI intake with the accufab throttle and 2 massive turbos and see what's up. I think it could achieve in the same ball park as the 4.8 LS or maybe even the 5.3? Ultimate mythbuster you are mate. Keep up the good work
They made more 2 valves. I have a 97 f150. Date on truck is 07/96 so it's a 97. 320k miles and runs clean. Best motor I've ever had. I've had jealous people try to blow my motor and sabotage it.
That is impressive how much torque that little engine is capable of. I can understand why someone would want to invest a little time and money into one in a light truck application but also glaringly obvious why so many have been replaced with LS's of every flavour.
Can you put the comp cams back in and replace the LTs with the factory log exhaust manifolds? Its a big debate with the 2v guys as LTs are a major pain to install and we would really like to see what all that time and effort is worth on a boosted application. It would be great to see!
Old video I know, but thanks. I'm walking through your Mod-motor playlist now. IMO the SN95 Mustang is the place to be right now for a cheap, vintage performance car. It's at the right point in the depreciation curve, Fox-bodies are already headed up. The SN95 is a significant improvement over the Fox in every way except the controversial styling (which I happen to like) and the limited power of the 4.6L 2V engine. The 4V engined models are never going to get into the "cheap" category, so that leaves figuring out how to make power with the 2V.
Richard you're forgetting Ford used 4.6 2V in F-150 till 2009 & the Crown Vic till 2011. As a City Fleet Tech we purchased these up to the end of 2011.
Awsome as always! I would love to see a SBE test with Trick flow heads and boost big bang style! It was kind of done once before but they stopped early saying they thought the rods would fail...but they hadn't yet I say let them fail! Let's find the limit
I traded in my 99 Expedition with 380k miles on it. The only thing wrong with it was the transmission had started to slip pretty bad. Would have liked a little more power when in the mountains when it was loaded down with friends and gear, but it always got me there. I miss that vehicle a lot.
Please continue studying this motor, I'm sure this will be a hit because of how much coyote and ls swap cost. (Yes I'm planning to use this for my cheap build.) This is like a d series over the b series competition. Subscribed.
Its not that they are limited to 400hp, it can make much more its just a mattter of how long they stay together. The 4.6 blocks are pretty bulletproof but the 5.0 block itself will literally split down the intake valley with a good amount of power going through it. The factory block its self is very weak. Ask me how i know lol.
Ya it was sarcasm even roadkill made like 700hp on a stock block turbo 5.0 it would be interesting like the LS series to see where and what would cause the failure when you remove as many variables as possible
@@pyric But what kind of info do you expect to get out of such a test? 5.0l blocks have split anywhere from 500HP up - after 20+ passes at the drag strip Making a single 1000HP dyno pull doesn't prove anything more than that specific engine could hold 1000HP for 1 pull. But engines aren't used that way; not outside of Top Fuel anyway. Even the most ardent LSx fanboys consider "around 1000HP" to be the limit, in spite of Holdener's 1500HP bullet. The 'big bang' tests aren't irrelevant, but the information that is gained from them is absolutely context specific.
I had a 03 gt with a kenne bell back in ‘05 .Thing was an absolute animal on the street, torque for days! Interesting content and comparisons, keep’em coming Richard!👍
My wife’s 2005 exploder 4.6 takes barely a touch of the throttle and it takes off almost the same as full throttle. Ferd has some whacked throttle response tuning. I’d seriously consider heads and a cam to bring it to the NA numbers you found, but the trans would pack its lunch the first day. Lol. Cool video - thanks!
I've been saying for years that I believe the 4.6 2v an handle more that what people say. Everyone slaps forced induction on with no engine mods, and max boost and pop goes the weasel, it's a recipe for disaster. Put supporting mods in place first to make a more efficient engine, then run lower boost. Less is more. Higher combustion chamber pressures (and temps) via boost will certainly wreak havoc on any engine. The proof is in that one dyno graph with the stock vs. aftermarket cam... those gains on an n/a engine are unheard of, but in a boosted application it proves what I've thought all along. A good tune and intercooler with an icebox and you'll be seeing ridiculous numbers I bet.
Good stuff man and yeah finding engine component limitations would be cool no matter the engine. I think most people like seeing cheaper easy to find engines pushed to their limits more than race or purpose built engines. Especially if their less commonly used i.e. smaller v8 or 6 cylinder truck engines.
Amazing! I'm using this motor for an f150 build I'm doing. I got my 4.6 from an 03 grand marquis and will be attempting port the heads and adapt a 03-04 cobra eaton supercharger to it. I'd love to see what the stock bottom end can handle or what changes should be made to promote long term engine health hoping for 450-500 hp with maximum drivability.
I believe your right Richard, the last motor Ford produced nearly as long as the 2v was the flat head (in production 20 years) where the 2v was 24 years (1990-2014)
Yes Sir! Great work. Like you said...most likely more 4.6 2v out there. So im sure this appeals to those masses...including me. Not sure why so many people hate or look down on the 2v. Obviously it can easily be made into a monster. Over 600 hp will certainly take care of any stock coyote or LS.
I think they were just hated on because they got rid of the 302. But Ford brought the 5.0 back with the coyote engine which is ironically closer to the 4.6 than the pushrod 302.
They actually made the 2v much later then 04 in the e series vans and crown vic’s. Id love to see more on the ford mod stuff. Im currently building a junkyard 4v for my marauder with a vortech. And all the ford guys say its going to puke rods at my 500whp level.
The rods do bend pretty easy... my 95 tbird developed a knock.. sitting over winter.. I started it up in spring.. knocking... The #8 connector rod bent... causing the piston skirt hitting the counter balance on the crank.... tore it down and gonna rebuild it.. but trying which route I wanna go... so all ur info is helping
Love it! I wonder if the maligned dodge 5.9 magnum engine might get some boost on this channel? For mopar guys it has high availability and affordability.
I can’t prove the production numbers but I can promise you the engine brought more Chevy guys to ford than any other engine. The trucks were worth 400,000 miles.
I've heard on forums the rods are good to 600 (depending on tune and detonation of course) and I'd love to see where they outright fail. You pushed past 600 already so now I'm curious. Blowers are harder on rods than a turbo for a given horsepower too, no?
You're my hero. I've seen videos of guys blow their engine trying to run boost on a 4.6. I was already prepared to have to buy an LM7 for my crown vic to achieve my goal but this changed everything. Now in terms of cost to run this 4.6 set-up vs a 5.3 set-up(super or turbo charged)which one is cheaper?
On3 Ebay kit actually does a good job . The one we worked on made 429 wheel hp , all stock .With out pushing it because everyone was saying it'll blow at 400hp. Then uped the heads and cam and intake . Went to 560 with stock botton end for 3 years . Very safe tune . 6 years ago. We got a ford cobra crank from Ford for 345$ and lunati rods and JE pistons . Up to a bigger and much better 76m turbo . Made some small changes yo the kit .Made 714 with out stand alone . 2 years age the owner of the car got a stand alone .tuned it to 800hp . Sadly he go a coyote and the 4.6 2 vavle is sitting . I made him an offer . He said no way.😁😁😁 Shit, i help build half that car .you figured he'd say yes .
@@Billybobaggins9 damn those are some pretty good numbers. I always hear about people blowing up the 4.6 but according to Richard, it was likely a shitty tune. Would you say it's more expensive or just as expensive to upgrade a 4.6 vs a 5.3?
I won a trip up to the Romeo plant from Ford in the early 90s. They were ramping up to a million 4.6's a year I believe. They told us that in durability tests the 4.6 would way outlast the 5.0. I've got a 4v in a 96 Mark VIII with 277k (daily driver 90 miles for work daily), a 2005 Marquis with 265k and had to other 94 Vics with over 260k without failure (put valve seals on one of them though).
Thats epic! i always thought these got a bad rap... that and it always made me angry they never did a side by side 2v 4.6 vs the 4.8 LS in big bang fashion because i think their limits are relatively similar on an engine dyno. I'd also like to see a 2v 4.6 with boss 302 rods out of a coyote.
@Richard Holdener You know they kept putting 2v 4.6 in trucks until 2010 and vans 2014. I have been into a 2011 van 4.6 and can say they did change them over the years. The rods and pistons were different on the last few years.
Can always go the turbo route instead of the blower to keep the budget reasonable, size your turbo accordingly and you can have gobs of torque like a borgwarner S362 would spool up instantly and make over 600 whp.
First off . These motors are old . So parts are much much cheaper now . Just like the ls . You need to do stuff to make power. You just dont make 4 or 500hp by taking the ls out of a truck and putting it a craparo . Ask me how i know . I've worked on both . At the 500hp rage . It was about the same price . Ls needed head work . Cam , intake work or swap , TB, Headers . And tune up . Guess what . Same thing with the 4.6 .
A blower costs the same for a mod motor as it does for an LS - just like a turbo costs the same for a mod motor as it does for an LS He wasn't even running the smallest pulley - skip the cams & heads(they aren't exactly a 'huge' improvement, like the Trick Flow 2v heads would be) and crank the boost to the moon if you're really such a broke ass. Just like what you would do to an LS. Now, go ahead and tell me how much a junkyard 2v costs vs a junkyard LS - I bet I know which one is cheaper... ...so, where's all the extra expense then? Use your head, this is basic stuff
Piston rings were the killer. You could beat the 2v mercilessly all day long even after serious mods as long as you don't use power adders. Guy I know out in Texas did a top end swap on his stock 1997 Thunderbird, ported SVO heads, cams and intake on his 225,000 mile shortblock. Ran low 12s on that combo for years and the car was his daily driver. After finally doing teardown about 270k miles, the shortblock had very little wear. ALL 4.6 aside from the terminators have crappy internals except for the beefy crankshaft. Thing is that they are built so well and tight and balanced that you can beat on them still. You have no idea how many mid 2000s Town Cars I've seen from Limousine companies with 500k miles. You just have to avoid detonation, that'll kill a 4.6 quicker than a bullet.
Richard, Agreed. Something that has always been on my mind about the 4.6 is how much hp the stock crank can handle. Have you ever seen a stock crank failure? I’d love to see a stock bottom end test. If the rods fail I’d like to see another test with better rods to test the stock crank.
@Richard Holdener - Hey Rich, they actually continued to use them in the Mercury Grand Marquis beyond 2004. I pulled a 4.6 2v out of a 2006 Grand Marquis and dropped it into my 01' GT. If I am not mistaken that 2v engine was used until around 2010 or something like that. One thing for sure - they sound absolutely amazing!
Richard your awesome! A total badass! A national treasure! Those other dingbats ain't got nothing on you man. If I was in the same shop I'd do somersaults every time you put a new engine on the Dyno
Im all about the 5.4 2v. 8 thread 03 and up are bullet proof heads. Livernois performance 500$ to cnc port gets 220 cfm intake and 198 cfm exhaust. I built mine on a factory vergin block with mmr rods pistons and a factory forged crank. All arp hardware huricane pump and opg gear factory timing components with mmr tensioners. 100lb deuchtwerk injectors with a 2.3 tvs blower. Homemade 180 degree headers. Running 14 lbs of boost with factory cams from a lightning on a lightning gen 2 intake and 10 row cooler. Made 679 hp and 755 torque at rhe wheels at 6000 rpm. Its in my 65 coupe. 6r80 trans with a us power shift controller tuned by mile high performance
Thanks for the 2v love Richard
would be fun to see a stock shortblock in your car with the current turbo setup. that would be the ultimate torture test. haha. 60' before inspection window?
Andrew Lavender love ur vids man
Watch your videos regularly. I always had a thing for the under dog. And the 4.6 2V is definitely an underdog in today’s world .Glad the aftermarket has stepped up a little. Like tickflow coming out with some race port 195cc heads now. 👍
Andrew Lavender the 4.6 2v king.
You two give me awful ideas🤣. Got a stock pi2v in my Capri running on terminator x and an on3 84/75.
I Love 2V's I have built a 304" 2V 13 to 1 compression Carbed with Nitrous that runs 8.90's @ 160mph in the 1/4. We won the Mod Nationals twice with this combo...
So they can be made to run!
Unity MotorSports Garage fancy seeing u here
@@andrewlavender08 what's up brother! How is that Monster 2V of yours running? Everyone meet the guy who took the crown from us!
Unity MotorSports Garage pretty good, itching to get it on the track after all this virus craziness is over
That's Stout
Wow, 2 of the fastest 2v owners commenting on this vid. I am humbled to be in y'alls presence lol.
This man is a saint!! I have searched the internet high and low for fab and build channels that play with the 2v and nobody touches them with a 6 foot pole! I'd love to see you blow one up for science
Sean Hyland was the go to guy for years
Please.
There's still plenty of 4.6 2V players out there
Would definitely be interested in seeing a big bang 2v, also 4.6 vs 5.4 comparisons.
This needs to be a reality. Needs. There have to be twice as many 4.6 2vs sitting around doing nothing that need to see some boost examples. Like at exactly what point do the rods fold, if you replace rods, when do the pistons shatter? Supposedly the crank is good for the end of the block.
Purely a vote, but I suggest 4.6 from a panther because itll probably be the cheapest. Itll be iron and it will have the worst parts of almost any of them.
There is a lot of 2v 5.4s as well
Make 800hp, and watch people start putting 4.6's into new edge mustangs to replace their LS setup.
Oh lord yes, a BB 5.4
I’m doing it now boys. God has chosen me to revive this 154k 99
the 2v 4.6 was actually used from 1991-2014, 23 year production run
Yea he forgot about the Vic's and I assume they still used it in trucks after 2011
Yea I have a 2008 with a 2v 4.6
Triton 2V Engines
Last Year Available
E-Series Vans
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I've never hated the 4.6 2 valve engines but I was never crazy about them, until now.
With trick flow heads, built bottom end and more boost you can go even further with these things. Love this vid and thanks for shining more light on the little mod motor.
4.6, 2 valve
Smaller displacement v8 with a short stroke. These engines with a few basic improvements can have a very broad range of power and these suckers rev up. Andrew lavender has a built 2v on boost, turbo, and he beats the piss out of that car. I think he said his rev limit is right about 8,100-8,200 on pump E85 in his earlier days.
I'm a huge fan of the 2v engines. Simple, very durable and they sound good. By far one of the best budget engines to work with for both simplicity and they are tough. Definitely do a big bang 4.6, but keep it as budget minded as possible as that's why guys buy these because they're so inexpensive and easy to find. Let's see what kind of numbers you can get out of them before the rods, pistons, bearings or block, maybe a slurry of all of the above. Lol
I think there is some irony in a short stroke overhead cam engine being unable to rev beyond 5500 rpm
its honestly not that short of stroke its pretty decent
I agree, I love the 4.6 and they are the best sounding engines.
I was shocked this 2 valve put down as much horsepower and more torque than the 01’
4 valve he tested with the different intakes.
Two valves are small bore engines. The stroke is similar to other v8s. They just run out of cylinder head or they would rev higher.
there's nothing simple and a mod motor. A 351w is simple, an LS is simple, Ford mod engines are not simple with 2 chains, 2 cams etc
I had a 4.6 in a F150. It's a great engine. It certainly never let me down. And always ran good
I am an unabashed hater of the Ford mod motors. You blew me away with the h/c/i 4.6 combo. I was NOT expecting so much power nor such a beautiful curve from an NA 4.6.
Keep up the great work Richard!
It's easy to complain about an engine not being able to make any power when no one ever actually TRIES to make power from it
Colton Robinson and RyTrapp0 : Ford learned from what it did with the Cosworth Belt Drive A and DFV and DFX and Cleveland engines, which were 3.78 and 4.38 bore spacing engines spat out from the same basic mass production transfer line. Even the Hart 850 hp alloy BDT and Cosworth alloy DFX Indy Cart 850 hp and NASCAR 351W/C engines were essentially almost a mass produced aftermarket race engine cobbled up from Fords iron engine base. The basic Mod engine is a pizza base. Ford had other engines on the 3.937 inch spacing Mod platform that made awesome ZR1 Corvette quad cam and more power. The 281 cuber iron 2V was just a door stop that sold in REAL volume and stopped people buying Celicas , Scions and spindly rod 4.7 Tundras.Fords pizza base plus approach ment the eventual alloy block 4.6, 5.0 and Ford GT 5.4 Four Valver stuff also goes right on any iron block base. Its basics are sound, the crack off powdered rods are going to be okay on a dyno, not in the real world. But remember the Holdener 1046 hp 5.8 liter turbo truck F150 engine which used stock 5.936 inch Windsor forged rods. Epic Fail! The 4.6 liter...it should have been born a 5 liter instead of a 4.6 from birth. Ford had decided to make the Teskid Cammer its lead halo engine. The single cam per bank 4.6 was born 15% down on power and torque from birth. Ford did that on purpose. It sold more of them that way.
So does that prove that you never knew what you were talking about?
That na heads cam version actually put down pretty good numbers at reasonable rpm. I was impressed.
Would be a nice street engine.
With the ported heads they used, I wish they would've used a .550 lift instead of the .500". They would've seen even better #'s. I definitely agree with what you said.
Tonda Porter crazy that this 2 valve had as much horsepower and more torque than the 01’ 4 valve he tested with the different intakes.
Fun fact: Ford does not have an actual verified production number for the amount of 2v engines manufactured. They have Precise data on how many and which vehicles had the 2v installed, and they have precise data for how many 4.6 blocks were used, but they do not have a fully accurate number for how many 2v engines they actually made.
2v 4.6’s are great engine’s. Ford was still using them in 2010 I have a 2010 F-150 rolled off the line with a 4.6 2v. Most trucks 09-10 f150’s received the 5.4 and 4.6 3v. But the simple reliable 4.6 2v was still an option even in 2010.
Frr I have a 2010 ford f150 single cab 2v and it feels pretty good for a daily , not slow but not fast because they changed our transmission In 08 they had the 4r70w and in 2009 2010 they put the transmission from 5.4 3v 4r75e on my our truck 2v
@@Slow_f15023 my 2003 5.4 2v has a 4r100 and a 10.25 rear end. It runs on natural gas which has 120 octane equivalent. I want to do a high compression (15:1?) n/a motor. Not sure if it’s been done.
All crown vics from 92 till 2011 have 2v's. It's kind of interesting how little most people know about cars, I've had people ask the oddest questions is that a v6? What does that have in it a 302, is that a big block? Is that the police interceptor motor? 🤦♂️
My 2010 F-150 single cab/ short bed truck have a 4.6 2v engine...it is a very reliable and powerful engine...I love it...
just shared with a coworker who's swapping a 2 valve.
Adam Flowers swapping into what?
@@timothybolden9955 Hopefully he's ditching the 2V for an LS.
@@C6Z_Bob he said coworker, not douchebag....
I love this engine, mine is built with a hellion kit and made 535whp at 14lbs of boost on a mustang dyno. I'm estimating 630whp on a dynojet. These engines also make better torque than the 4 valve engines.
Do you use the Stock pistons? Did you decrease your comp ratio before boosting it that much? My 2v blew up because the Former owner Did a saleen supercharger upgrade and i think He Did shit😅 now im looking for a New engine to put the charger on and i want it to last 💪
@@henrikmeyer9692find whatever low mile 2V you can and just do a basic rebuild on it. Replace the springs, lifters, etc…port the heads if you want, add longtubes, and use Gen 2 coyote rods with some drop in pistons. Will hold 550-600whp all day.
@@TheJMan1Kso the gen 2 coyote rods drop right in with no modifications necessary? Same journal sizing and everything?
@@GTkyle yes. Exact same specs. My buddy is building an engine for his 98 GT using a 99 cobra block, 03 Cobra crank, Gen yote rods, and PI heads with some comp cams. Will be mated to a TKX. He has an old Kennebell 2.1 setup. He should be making 600whp with 12-13 pounds.
@@TheJMan1K that's amazing. The general consensus from back in the day is the 6 bolt crank is good to 600. I'd almost just want to do rods and pistons in an explorer WAP block. I appreciate the info!
Dude, you got the best dyno videos. Most all of your combos are attainable by the average blue collar worker with a need for speed.
It would be great to see a turbo on this engine!!! Hook us up Richard 😀😀😀👍👍👍
Big bang please, love the 2v stuff.
Richard can you do a video on how you prep a shortblock for boost. Rings to bearings to gaskets. Thanks brotha channels great!!
My 2010 F-150 single cab/ short bed truck have a 4.6 2v engine.
It is a very reliable and powerful engine...I love it...
My neighbor has a gt with a 2valve. He has a kenne bell s.c. on it and he puts nearly 500 to the tire. No b.s.. I drove it, she's fast!!
Shit I got my ass best by a 2v pushing 640 to the wheels
@@marcowilliams4801 With the internet and RUclips videos, people forget how fast 500+rwhp cars really are...especially when they are setup tight.
@@cantonracer1 I rode in a 500hp street car..it felt like a pro mod!
Jason Max even 300HP feels fast
@@marcowilliams4801 🏎
I asked you in the past for these videos and you said it’s coming,,, A man of his word !!!! Your awesome dude
All I gotta say is that is one tough motor. I drove on 7 cylinders for months before I got around to doing a tune up. Didn't break down once!
The tritons are tough as nails, my dad has a 5.4 with 240,000 miles on it stock motor and transmission, he treats it like shit, never changes oil or does any maintenance whatsoever, and drives like the Indy 500 everywhere he goes, those trucks were just built to go, they have no quit in em, my 97 4.6 runs like a dream
13lbs of boost out of my 2.1 kenne bell took out number 2 connecting rod. Won’t have that problem ever again. Great video Richard
comp cam , PI head , and intake plus supercharger to the non PI motor is the ticket ! Thankz for the info famz!
The KB setup looks like the best behaving. Flat torque, compact package.
Amen. Throttle response. Like right now.
Very expensive, though.
NOPE. The 2 valve is A SAINT and a WARRIOR.
NOW, the 3 VALVE, no matter what size . . . THAT IS A GENUINE P.O.S.
Dude, you always deliver ! Still haven't watch a video from you that made my jump to something else.
Good work, Sir ! 👌🏻😎👍🏻
Thnx-I have some 3V tests too
this is the most scientific and well explained video on this topic I've seen! Everything taken into account between camshaft differences and two different types of superchargers. Awesome explanation and it took a lot of work and testing to give us this information. Hats off.
I have 4.6L Fox body body with a procharger and cams. It made 440whp/400wtq when it was in my 2001. 15* of timing on 93. Works excellent and pulls like a freight train.
Perfect timing! Just picked up a 2003 GT 2v car yesterday and was wondering about this exact info! Thanks Richard!
The reason they made so many of the 2V engines is because they run for ever if you don't mess with them. As long as the intake manifold doesn't leak, unmolested 2Vs will run for well over 150,000 miles
150,000 isn't even that much...
I've had G.M. 3800's that went well into the 300,000+ range.
Next time you are at a boneyard, take a look at the odometers of the 3800 cars you see there. You'll see HIGH miles on most of them.
Usually the car has rusted apart around the engine, or has been in a crash, and that is why it's there.
One of the 2V's major design flaws was the plastic coolant crossover. Since the timing chain covers block the front of the engine, Ford couldn't move the crossover down into the water pump casting, as GM did with the Gen 3 (LS). This is why the LS has 2 coolant holes on each leg of the water pump - the top ones function as the crossover since those 2 holes make 90 degree angles once in the block to connect the head water passages. Random factoid....
the kenny bell setup would be really nice in a truck. That much torque, for that long would be a towing beast.
I enjoyed watching this video; Finally the 2v got some love!!!.......SBE 2V testing would be an awesome idea for a future video!!!
Gotta love that flat torque line ----------- on the twin screw. Be great if you were running at an 1/8 mile track!
Awesome for a boat too
A Big Bang 4.6 2v test would be awesome! A lot of people saying 400-450whp is the limit and I would like to know what fails. They always say rods fail but I wonder if that’s to weak rods in general or if it’s ring gap. So many 2vs out there some legit testing would be sweet
Pistons seem to fail forst
A big bang 2v would be cool to see.
Put the higher lift cams in it from comp with those ported heads and PI intake with the accufab throttle and 2 massive turbos and see what's up.
I think it could achieve in the same ball park as the 4.8 LS or maybe even the 5.3?
Ultimate mythbuster you are mate.
Keep up the good work
@@hendo337 in terms of power or breaking point?
They made more 2 valves. I have a 97 f150. Date on truck is 07/96 so it's a 97. 320k miles and runs clean. Best motor I've ever had. I've had jealous people try to blow my motor and sabotage it.
Hell yeah a big bang 2v would be awesome!
Great video, great motor. They can make some serious power if setup properly. Severely underrated
That is impressive how much torque that little engine is capable of. I can understand why someone would want to invest a little time and money into one in a light truck application but also glaringly obvious why so many have been replaced with LS's of every flavour.
Can you put the comp cams back in and replace the LTs with the factory log exhaust manifolds? Its a big debate with the 2v guys as LTs are a major pain to install and we would really like to see what all that time and effort is worth on a boosted application.
It would be great to see!
I did a long-tube header test-they work well
@@richardholdener1727 Thank you!!! do you recall if they were 1"5/8 or 1"7/8?
They are a pain to install. I suggest a lift
@@richardholdener1727 do you have a link for that video? Or article even, would appreciate it!
Ford tech for 22 years. Lots of 2V. I love them.
It's a blessing that you've done this video, thank you so much!
Just became a subscriber a few weeks ago. Just wanted to tell you I really enjoy your videos and you do an awesome job.
Welcome aboard!
It's been a year. Still the best.
Old video I know, but thanks. I'm walking through your Mod-motor playlist now. IMO the SN95 Mustang is the place to be right now for a cheap, vintage performance car. It's at the right point in the depreciation curve, Fox-bodies are already headed up. The SN95 is a significant improvement over the Fox in every way except the controversial styling (which I happen to like) and the limited power of the 4.6L 2V engine. The 4V engined models are never going to get into the "cheap" category, so that leaves figuring out how to make power with the 2V.
The 4.6 2v was used to 2011 in Crown Victorias
Indeed
and 09/10 f150
Fernando Reyes that was the 3 valve 4.6L
Mark Ball depends on year of production
I got a 02 expedition with a 4.6 2v I’m wanting to get it bored and bigger pistons stage 2 comp cam and meybe a single turbo.
Most of my company’s E250s are 4.6L 2 valves with over 200,000 miles and still going 🤙🏽!!!!!
All in for a 4.6 Big Bang series!
Actually that seams pretty easy to more then double the power of a small v8 4.6L. Respect
Been watching the videos since you started, love to rewatch older stuff kind of like reruns lol! Thank you!
thnx for watching
Richard you're forgetting Ford used 4.6 2V in F-150 till 2009 & the Crown Vic till 2011. As a City Fleet Tech we purchased these up to the end of 2011.
Awsome as always! I would love to see a SBE test with Trick flow heads and boost big bang style! It was kind of done once before but they stopped early saying they thought the rods would fail...but they hadn't yet I say let them fail! Let's find the limit
That's the one thing I love about the 4.6 2v engine is that it doesn't take alot of money to make good reliable hp
I traded in my 99 Expedition with 380k miles on it. The only thing wrong with it was the transmission had started to slip pretty bad. Would have liked a little more power when in the mountains when it was loaded down with friends and gear, but it always got me there. I miss that vehicle a lot.
Please continue studying this motor, I'm sure this will be a hit because of how much coyote and ls swap cost. (Yes I'm planning to use this for my cheap build.) This is like a d series over the b series competition. Subscribed.
Best engine channel RUclips!
Big bang on a 2v & 3v mod motor would be awesome so would a 5.0 HO since those also are limited to "400hp"
Its not that they are limited to 400hp, it can make much more its just a mattter of how long they stay together. The 4.6 blocks are pretty bulletproof but the 5.0 block itself will literally split down the intake valley with a good amount of power going through it. The factory block its self is very weak. Ask me how i know lol.
Ya it was sarcasm even roadkill made like 700hp on a stock block turbo 5.0 it would be interesting like the LS series to see where and what would cause the failure when you remove as many variables as possible
@@pyric But what kind of info do you expect to get out of such a test? 5.0l blocks have split anywhere from 500HP up - after 20+ passes at the drag strip
Making a single 1000HP dyno pull doesn't prove anything more than that specific engine could hold 1000HP for 1 pull. But engines aren't used that way; not outside of Top Fuel anyway.
Even the most ardent LSx fanboys consider "around 1000HP" to be the limit, in spite of Holdener's 1500HP bullet. The 'big bang' tests aren't irrelevant, but the information that is gained from them is absolutely context specific.
@@pyric RUclips Tony whetstone
I had a 03 gt with a kenne bell back in ‘05 .Thing was an absolute animal on the street, torque for days! Interesting content and comparisons, keep’em coming Richard!👍
yes big bang version on stock rods pleaseeeeeeee, ya the rumor is like 500 ish i have always heard. me? im just gonna send it :)
My wife’s 2005 exploder 4.6 takes barely a touch of the throttle and it takes off almost the same as full throttle. Ferd has some whacked throttle response tuning. I’d seriously consider heads and a cam to bring it to the NA numbers you found, but the trans would pack its lunch the first day. Lol. Cool video - thanks!
Thanks for showing love to the old 2v's I have a 2004 Mustang GT in competition Orange. Full bolt on n/a
....... for now hopefully boost by next year
Incredible info in a ten minute videos, thank you very much !!
I've been saying for years that I believe the 4.6 2v an handle more that what people say. Everyone slaps forced induction on with no engine mods, and max boost and pop goes the weasel, it's a recipe for disaster. Put supporting mods in place first to make a more efficient engine, then run lower boost. Less is more. Higher combustion chamber pressures (and temps) via boost will certainly wreak havoc on any engine. The proof is in that one dyno graph with the stock vs. aftermarket cam... those gains on an n/a engine are unheard of, but in a boosted application it proves what I've thought all along. A good tune and intercooler with an icebox and you'll be seeing ridiculous numbers I bet.
Super interesting, never realized they could handle that much power. I’d love to see a turbo test and see what the limit of the stock engine is.
I love the torque output on these little guys.
Everytime I see this video it makes my day.
Good stuff man and yeah finding engine component limitations would be cool no matter the engine. I think most people like seeing cheaper easy to find engines pushed to their limits more than race or purpose built engines. Especially if their less commonly used i.e. smaller v8 or 6 cylinder truck engines.
Amazing! I'm using this motor for an f150 build I'm doing. I got my 4.6 from an 03 grand marquis and will be attempting port the heads and adapt a 03-04 cobra eaton supercharger to it. I'd love to see what the stock bottom end can handle or what changes should be made to promote long term engine health hoping for 450-500 hp with maximum drivability.
I believe your right Richard, the last motor Ford produced nearly as long as the 2v was the flat head (in production 20 years) where the 2v was 24 years (1990-2014)
Very impressive torque curve with blower
I'm red/green colorblind. Your graphs are hard to see on my phone, but ,I can follow . Love your tests. Thank you, sir.
Nice test , I’m going to stop throwing rocks at those engines from now on .
Yes Sir! Great work. Like you said...most likely more 4.6 2v out there. So im sure this appeals to those masses...including me. Not sure why so many people hate or look down on the 2v. Obviously it can easily be made into a monster. Over 600 hp will certainly take care of any stock coyote or LS.
You don’t need 600 HP to beat a stock coyote or LS
@@DHeagleBBQ I think that was the power of that engine. From what I know coyote around 430/440 hp. Not sure what you want to teach me
I think they were just hated on because they got rid of the 302. But Ford brought the 5.0 back with the coyote engine which is ironically closer to the 4.6 than the pushrod 302.
They actually made the 2v much later then 04 in the e series vans and crown vic’s.
Id love to see more on the ford mod stuff. Im currently building a junkyard 4v for my marauder with a vortech. And all the ford guys say its going to puke rods at my 500whp level.
The rods do bend pretty easy... my 95 tbird developed a knock.. sitting over winter.. I started it up in spring.. knocking...
The #8 connector rod bent... causing the piston skirt hitting the counter balance on the crank.... tore it down and gonna rebuild it.. but trying which route I wanna go... so all ur info is helping
Had a 98 gt and threw on SVO/FRPP blower with 9-10lb pulley. Dr gas mid pipe. Fun fun.
I think this is an excellent test and comparison. Point VERY well made. Thank you sir!
Love it! I wonder if the maligned dodge 5.9 magnum engine might get some boost on this channel? For mopar guys it has high availability and affordability.
I can’t prove the production numbers but I can promise you the engine brought more Chevy guys to ford than any other engine. The trucks were worth 400,000 miles.
I saw a 2v Lincoln limo put down 620 at the tire with a kenne bell at Dez Racing in MA. I want a crown Vic now. Already got coyote and a foxbody
I threw together some nice 4.6s a few years back..I built tbirds and Cougars.. MORE 2V 4.6L BY FAR , all those taxi n cop cars
YES, BIG BANG 4.6 FOR THE WIN!
I've heard on forums the rods are good to 600 (depending on tune and detonation of course) and I'd love to see where they outright fail. You pushed past 600 already so now I'm curious. Blowers are harder on rods than a turbo for a given horsepower too, no?
Yessssss please do more 2v!!!!
Yeah, the peak number for the hair dryer was impressive. But you would absolutely feel that torque curve of the Kenne Bell SC.
You're my hero. I've seen videos of guys blow their engine trying to run boost on a 4.6. I was already prepared to have to buy an LM7 for my crown vic to achieve my goal but this changed everything. Now in terms of cost to run this 4.6 set-up vs a 5.3 set-up(super or turbo charged)which one is cheaper?
Turbo you can find turbos cheap i don’t see SC under a couple grand
On3 Ebay kit actually does a good job . The one we worked on made 429 wheel hp , all stock .With out pushing it because everyone was saying it'll blow at 400hp. Then uped the heads and cam and intake . Went to 560 with stock botton end for 3 years . Very safe tune . 6 years ago. We got a ford cobra crank from Ford for 345$ and lunati rods and JE pistons . Up to a bigger and much better 76m turbo . Made some small changes yo the kit .Made 714 with out stand alone . 2 years age the owner of the car got a stand alone .tuned it to 800hp .
Sadly he go a coyote and the 4.6 2 vavle is sitting . I made him an offer . He said no way.😁😁😁
Shit, i help build half that car .you figured he'd say yes .
Tony Spadafino you even put ring gap on the one with 429hp?
@@Billybobaggins9 damn those are some pretty good numbers. I always hear about people blowing up the 4.6 but according to Richard, it was likely a shitty tune.
Would you say it's more expensive or just as expensive to upgrade a 4.6 vs a 5.3?
maxie9506 5.3 will be cheaper in the long run it’s the most popular mod motor nowadays
The 4.6 2v is the most durable engine ever made. I've seen them at 700k miles. Regularly over 300k
I won a trip up to the Romeo plant from Ford in the early 90s. They were ramping up to a million 4.6's a year I believe. They told us that in durability tests the 4.6 would way outlast the 5.0. I've got a 4v in a 96 Mark VIII with 277k (daily driver 90 miles for work daily), a 2005 Marquis with 265k and had to other 94 Vics with over 260k without failure (put valve seals on one of them though).
Nice content this channel find the way to make stronger a weak 4.6 2valve
Thats epic! i always thought these got a bad rap... that and it always made me angry they never did a side by side 2v 4.6 vs the 4.8 LS in big bang fashion because i think their limits are relatively similar on an engine dyno.
I'd also like to see a 2v 4.6 with boss 302 rods out of a coyote.
@Richard Holdener You know they kept putting 2v 4.6 in trucks until 2010 and vans 2014. I have been into a 2011 van 4.6 and can say they did change them over the years. The rods and pistons were different on the last few years.
didn't realize the rod and piston change
That H/C/I + KB combo is pretty damn sexy.
Unfortunately, it's also pretty damn not cheap versus what we can do with junkyard LS bits.
No kidding... That supercharger is probably worth more than both my Vics put together.... But it would sure be nice on one of them...
Can always go the turbo route instead of the blower to keep the budget reasonable, size your turbo accordingly and you can have gobs of torque like a borgwarner S362 would spool up instantly and make over 600 whp.
First off . These motors are old . So parts are much much cheaper now .
Just like the ls . You need to do stuff to make power. You just dont make 4 or 500hp by taking the ls out of a truck and putting it a craparo .
Ask me how i know .
I've worked on both . At the 500hp rage . It was about the same price .
Ls needed head work . Cam , intake work or swap , TB,
Headers . And tune up .
Guess what . Same thing with the 4.6 .
A blower costs the same for a mod motor as it does for an LS - just like a turbo costs the same for a mod motor as it does for an LS
He wasn't even running the smallest pulley - skip the cams & heads(they aren't exactly a 'huge' improvement, like the Trick Flow 2v heads would be) and crank the boost to the moon if you're really such a broke ass. Just like what you would do to an LS.
Now, go ahead and tell me how much a junkyard 2v costs vs a junkyard LS - I bet I know which one is cheaper...
...so, where's all the extra expense then?
Use your head, this is basic stuff
Tony Spadafino,
So much truth in your post.
I would like to see a turbo on the 2v .they put them Grand Marquis,f 150 , crown Victoria,e150vans.and more.
I've run lots of turbo 2V stuff
Piston rings were the killer. You could beat the 2v mercilessly all day long even after serious mods as long as you don't use power adders. Guy I know out in Texas did a top end swap on his stock 1997 Thunderbird, ported SVO heads, cams and intake on his 225,000 mile shortblock. Ran low 12s on that combo for years and the car was his daily driver. After finally doing teardown about 270k miles, the shortblock had very little wear. ALL 4.6 aside from the terminators have crappy internals except for the beefy crankshaft. Thing is that they are built so well and tight and balanced that you can beat on them still. You have no idea how many mid 2000s Town Cars I've seen from Limousine companies with 500k miles. You just have to avoid detonation, that'll kill a 4.6 quicker than a bullet.
Excellent episode. I think the 400 hp limit talk is with accessories on the engine and rear wheel numbers.
even then-not accurate
Richard,
Agreed. Something that has always been on my mind about the 4.6 is how much hp the stock crank can handle. Have you ever seen a stock crank failure? I’d love to see a stock bottom end test. If the rods fail I’d like to see another test with better rods to test the stock crank.
Dude your the MAN. Love your videos. Great stuff. The best on RUclips.
@Richard Holdener - Hey Rich, they actually continued to use them in the Mercury Grand Marquis beyond 2004. I pulled a 4.6 2v out of a 2006 Grand Marquis and dropped it into my 01' GT. If I am not mistaken that 2v engine was used until around 2010 or something like that.
One thing for sure - they sound absolutely amazing!
Until 2011 in crown vics
thats awesome thanks for looking at the 2 valve stuff
I wonder the cost of that engine in NA spec? Heads, cams, intake, headers, ect.
Richard your awesome! A total badass! A national treasure! Those other dingbats ain't got nothing on you man. If I was in the same shop I'd do somersaults every time you put a new engine on the Dyno
it is fun
Im all about the 5.4 2v. 8 thread 03 and up are bullet proof heads. Livernois performance 500$ to cnc port gets 220 cfm intake and 198 cfm exhaust. I built mine on a factory vergin block with mmr rods pistons and a factory forged crank. All arp hardware huricane pump and opg gear factory timing components with mmr tensioners. 100lb deuchtwerk injectors with a 2.3 tvs blower. Homemade 180 degree headers. Running 14 lbs of boost with factory cams from a lightning on a lightning gen 2 intake and 10 row cooler. Made 679 hp and 755 torque at rhe wheels at 6000 rpm. Its in my 65 coupe. 6r80 trans with a us power shift controller tuned by mile high performance