Had it happen quite a few times with early 00’s gm trucks. So much so I won’t do them anymore. I’ve done that job enough to know to always recommend replacing all hard lines, and yet 1 in 10 might say yes.
i advise customers to potential problems on my bill.....i do handyman type work and if they want a faucet changed for example and i see the supply line or shutoff is in rough shape i will suggest changing them out....customer says no ill do the faucet and put on invoice suggested changing line and shutoff..you know even 1 month or 1 year later when that line blows they will be blaming me....gotta cover your ass.
Quiet Entropy I drive an 01 Dodge and a 94 Chevy. If I didn’t do all the work myself it wouldn’t be worth keeping them,but it’s a labor of love. Now if they were customers trucks the first thing I’d ask is “do you want to keep this vehicle for a while” because if they’re planning to resell it they’ll probably freak when I tell them what it needs and what it’ll cost.
This engine doesn't get enough love. Think about how the 4.6 can be a pony car, a truck, a police car or even smooth enough to compete with Cadillac. It did all of these things well and reliability.
Ive seen several over 500k on original motor. Usually had transmission replaced at that mileage but had they just done the "j mod" in confident thr 4r70w would last as long as the engine@@exvan3571
My Town Car had several issues, but NONE were with the engine. That engine was the best engine ever produced that I've seen. I would run it at 90-100 mph for hours at a time and it would take it like it was nothing. Heck, even the gas mileage remained respectable.
I know from first hand experience that 2 valves can take a beating. My 2000 f150 has the 4.6 2 valve and it has 422xxxkm and still starts up every time
Edit: 265k miles and still going strong. My 97 expedition has the 4.6 2v with over 246k miles on it. Never had an issue since i got her with 150k miles
Stephen Reed same thing here, mines the 3rd gen and it has the typical water leak, my door lock push pin mount came off, and I need ball joints in the front, but it’s such a reliable car otherwise. (It’s needed ball joints for a long time lmao)
as someone who owns both a 4.6 2v and a 4.6 3v, both of which are mustangs, i can certify that they are both fantastic motors. the 2v sat for 6 years before i bought it, and it started right up and has been dead reliable ever since. the 3v has almost 200k miles, bought it with 120k and have only done regular oil changes with no issues whatsoever. fantastic motors from a fantastic company.
I've got a 3V and a 4V TT Mach 1. Excellent engines, no doubt. Were you aware a 4.6 4V has been 5.88 at 256mph with most of the oe engine? The Coyote has yet to match that without a billet block.
@@chadkent1241 unfortunately I have since sold both of mine, but I would love to find a good Mach 1. I love Coyotes but 4v’s are the best engines Ford ever built, so I’m not surprised at all that it went that quick.
I have a 2002 Ford F150 FX4 with the 4.6L 2V. 122K miles and only replaced a few coils and the alternator. Awesome reliable! Oil changes every 3-4 months really helps. I hope to have this truck for another 200K miles, we'll see if it makes it. A new engine would still be cheaper than a new truck. Love it!
My Grandpa had this engine in his 2005 Mercury Mountaineer. Loved that car to death, he bought it in 2006 for around 9500 dollars with only 25,000 miles due to everybody not buying an SUV due to gas prices(He really worked the salesperson). He babyed it so much. We went down to Florida multiple times with that car in 2006, 2008 and 2010, ran like a dream. He usually averaged around 12 MPG. He got all the suspension work, brakes, Owners Manual schedule, oil changes every 3,000 miles, all the works. It was the last car he drove, as he died from cancer in April 2017. I believe I last was driven by him in February 2017 in that car. Every snowstorm, always took it to the car wash and did an underside flush. Even got it professionally rust proofed about 5 years into owning it. My grandma sold her gold trimmed 2003 Cadillac Deville (which was kept up like a dream as well despite the Northstar) and then this car when my grandpa died. When sold, it had around 85,000 miles (?) in May 2017. NO RUST AT ALL in a state like Ohio. My grandma sold it to a mechanic friend at her family's company for his wife. He apparently paid about as much as they got it for in 2006. My grandma purchased a 2016 Ford Explorer fully decked out, but we all miss the Mountaineer a lot. I do understand why she sold it, as it forever reminded her of him and how much their 54 years of marriage meant to her and she could not live not living if that makes sense.
Got a ways to go I got a buddy with a 2v marq who just rolled 1.2 mil over the summer, still going strong, more rust than steel but the motor runs like it's fresh off the lot.
My dad’s pickup has the 2 valve 4.6 in it running like a clock at 190k miles. I currently own a 3 valve mustang and i love it. Both 4.6s are great but just DON’T get 3 valve 5.4 💩
@@j_s0n From almost every thing that I reviewed and read into, the 3v wasn't quite as reliable as the 2v. I debated for a long time for which one to go with on my build and ended up going for the 2v. Which I swapped into my 1966 mustang. Pretty fun build. Have the whole series up on my youtube channel
@@4WDTrek That sounds awesome I might check out your channel on that. I hear yeah that they can have problems with the cam phasers and spit out the sparkplugs after some time. I always hear great things about the 2 valve and how they're very reliable and don't give really any headaches.
@@j_s0n I have heard the same thing about spitting out a spark plug but haven't talked with anyone who had it happen first hand. Could be one of those things that everyone SAYS happens but doesn't happen as often as it's been told. Kind of like how EVERY subaru wrx or wrx sti blows its head gasket. The only time I have seen anyone with one is when I know they just BEAT on the engine. I've put 300k miles on two different subarus with zero issues. So I'm thinking it's people who just beat on them or over torque the spark plugs that have those issues.
@@4WDTrek I have an 06 3v mustang, and the only time I have ever spit plugs was when I used a weird brand of spark plugs to replace the shitty, defective ones from the factory. I caught the spit very early so because of that no damage was done. However, for anyone wondering, use motorcraft plugs on 3v mustangs, the new ones are not defective and should not break. Anything else shouldn’t be needed unless you do some insane boost build on the engine, in which case the new plugs must be tuned as well
U are so right Mr Car Wizard. Frequent oil changes are the ticket on the 5.4, I had an 07 f-250 w/ a 5.4, changed oil every 3000 miles. When I sold it the 250 had 180000 miles on it. Burned a little oil,but nothing to be alarmed about. GREAT VIDEO !!
At about 7:50 , starters ARE hard to replace. The top bolt (of the three) needs you to use several socket extensions so you can reach it from the front of the engine.... under the exhaust manifold. Heard where people buy replacement starters on Ebay for as low as $31. Cheap Chinese junk. Don't do it. Buy a good one from RockAuto.
As a mechanic and owner of a 2001 mustang gt, i can confirm this. Ive seen the 2 valve engines go 300k+ miles plenty of times. And yes, they are easy to work on.
I'd also say the 4-valve 4.6L V8s are just as reliable, dual timing chains and no cam phasing etc. They just aren't as common, since they were only in the 'premium' Fords and Lincolns.
2002 GT convertible and just turned 42000 miles. I replaced more tires from dry rot than I ever had this car worked on. Actually, I've never had to have this car worked on. 5 speed + Ford 4.6 sound = Happy Camper. Love this vehicle. Makes me feel young.
I just lucked out and found a 60k mile 04' (97-03 body style "Heritage") f150 with the 4.6l engine for $1500! I've always been a Chevy guy, but I couldn't pass up the price with that mileage. It drives so smooth it's unreal to me. My 07 Sierra 2500hd 6.0 is my tank of a work truck, but that Ford is smoooooth.. especially that engine. I'm impressed.
I drove a 2001 Mustang GT for a few years and I loved that 4.6l 2v. Of course banging through a TR3650 with no cats and Flowmaster exhaust didn’t hurt either! But that car handled all I could throw at it. Tough engine!
I agree! I have had 3 Crown Vic Interceptors with the 4.6 2V, an 03,05 and 06. One each the body and frame fell apart before the engines stopped running, each well over 250,000 miles with the first 100,000 being actual cop cars.
@@raymonds7492 If you have the 4.2 liter engine, that would be a V6 and that is based on the 4.0 liter engine used in the 2005-2010 Mustangs and has nothing in common with the 4.6 Mod motor the Wizard is talking about...
Mine is 16 years old and still going strong. I have a long commute and it's the most comfortable car I've ever owned. The gas millage is even respectable at 20mpg for a V8. I'm not looking forward to replacing it someday.
@@FreakTimmah I have a 98 seems like it will run forever. Very well built car. Small minor repairs but it may outlast some junk on the showroom floor today. My neighbors have almost brand new cars with more issues.
It seems to me that the 4.6 2 valve is a modern version of the ubiquitous Windsor 289-302 engine. It doesn't get especially good fuel economy or make a lot of power but it is a reliable engine when properly maintained. It powered many Ford, Mercury, and Lincoln cars and as a result parts are readily available for it today.
4.6 is a over head cam design, old school windsors, 260, 289. 302, 351 share nothing with Fords Moduler V8. Some will argue the 5.3 6.0 GM engines have more in common with the windsor architecture.. I never killed a Windsor, triton, yup..5.43v
Respect for the 4.6. I had a friend with a town car with what he said was the oil change light on. It was the oil pressure light, and had been on for weeks! I went to check the oil, nothing, pulled the drain plug, and got a few drips! The oil filter (which was a nice large one) was full, the only oil in the engine. Went ahead and did the oil change, car ran fine, no bad bearings, was amazed. Rest of car was totally falling apart and didn't last much longer, but the engine was still going. I sold him my ex cop crown vic, it was perfect for him and he loves it.
Tough engines. I've got two good running 4.6's. One in a 97/02 mustang and one in a 2002 crown vic. Easy to work on, parts are cheap, and damn reliable.
The 4.6 2 valve is a beast. Huge mistake on manufacturer when they started 3 valve and variable timing. More moving parts and more can go wrong, especially with the cam followers on a Ford.
Ford should’ve put the 4.6 4 valve engine from the terminator cobra into their 2005-2009 mustangs and offered that engine as an option for the s197 stangs
@@Jack-yw7bq 05-09 is s197. ALSO it would have had to been the engine from the mach1 and aviator probably as it wouldn't be cost effective to mass produce the terminator engine it literally had aftermarket forged manly h beam rods in it costed 56 bucks per rod as opposed to about 6 bucks for regular connecting rods. They would have had the 4v engine from the Mach and aviator which was a badass engine they should have done that and gave it powdered forged rods like the gt500s and coyotes got later it would have been good for 600-700 wheel minimum and in 2005 would have been awesome. Then the coyote would have been a more natural evolution. Imagine the 4.6 4v Mach engine with variable cam timing like the 3v has and some of the other advantages it had. The Mach engine also made more power they would dyno 280 stock despite only being rated 305-310 engine and the 3v was rated 300 but did 250-260 wheel stock. The Mach clearly made more power now imagine it with the fancy tools the 3v got. Idk why they didn't go that route.
I agree that had it right and screwed it up this crap shows down the road why not build the motor again instead of making ones that don't last NOT how u get a good reputation I guess I'm stupid
@@OhPhuckYou I use to own a 4.6l 04 expedition. Aside from shooting one plug did good. Had it for 5 years bought at 86k miles drove it to 316k before selling it for a 11 f150 5.0 I would say from the 4 years of the 5.0 it's done pretty good. Recently went back to a Triton modular on a secondary pleasure driver 05 excursion v10 and the 15k I've put on it the thing seems pretty solid
I had one of these back in 2008 in Qatar, was my first V8, good noise but not overly powerful, enough for a burnout and fun. Did make itself a V6 for a while after two cyclinders died after a high speed test. Happy memories.
pochoun33137 I was using it everyday and covering many many miles so it was going for a service about every two to three months. The drive was on a desert highway, very straight and one night after working late I planted my foot and wanted to see how fast it would go - at a high speed a loud noise occurred and the hood popped up. Concerned I pulled over but the engine was running and all seemed fine, closed the bonnet and figured it was probably just the rush of air that pushed the hood up. Continued to use the car until the next service came around. The mechanic asked me how the car was feeling, said it was good. He asked if the power felt low or if the fuel economy had improved - confused I just said no. Then he explained the car would need to be with them for a few days as it was a V6 with the valves of two cylinders needing replaced. With my best acting I said I was surprised and how could this happen, he said it had been seen before but only when a car is taken well beyond the speed limit - Never! I said, then emphasised this must be a warranty repair.
pochoun33137 Felt fine to me, but I’m not the most refined - I smash the pedals and wrestle the wheel, if their was any mechanical variance it was probably too subtle for my hoofs and paws to find. If the engine is rattling then just turn up the tunes. As soon as the warranty is near ending then the car gets replaced and the problems go away.
pochoun33137 older and wiser and slower - have a Jag Ftype V6, which interestingly has the same engine block as the V8, so also carried around two dead cylinders but this time that just a cost saving design from the manufacturer
@@281cobracar7 I power shifted that thing until the diff ripped the floor and the motor a 79' went into an 87LX and the 4 speed sold it to a guy doing a 427 cobra replica sold the 87 for 3500$ a month later and I have 5 or 6 in all mad fun super lite.
My 2004 f150 4.6l 2v has 409000 miles on it and it doesn't tick, smoke, leak nothing , runs smooth I just drove 14hr round trip and it drove over 3 passes no issues , 4.6l 2v most reliable ford ive ever owned.
Thanks for the video Wizard! I have a 2006 Expedition with the 5.4 3V. It has 238,000 miles on it and it runs strong! Original owner. Miles dont kill cars, people kill cars.
you probably religiously change the oil and that will keep it on the road. I bought a 06 expedition at 224k miles with the 3v and it was sludged up. now mines got a new jasper crate engine with the wider passages and better oil pump it should last 300k if I change the oil regularly and have it serviced every 100k to do the regular maintenance
@@Cucuy-xe7oc on stock long block i believe he was just shy of 500 but recently he went fully built motor I believe a ford crate motor. It was a si trim procharger car, t5 borg warner stock intenerals. I believe even stock clutch for a while man. And with i believe 410s thing friggin boogied!!
@@Cucuy-xe7oc oh absolutely man! But just a suggestion or tip, make sure everything else is modified at the same time type stuff because just a example. Say you have 1000hp motor but your trans,diff drivetrain components can only handle 500-600 those parts are what get the power to the wheels you know?
@@mericafreedomland3583 i feel you, im still learning stuff i barely got into cars since last November when i got my car but im trying to learn the most i can thanks for the info👍
My grandfather had a 2000's Mercury Grand Marquis with one of these in it. Don't know if it was a 2V or a 3V, but what I do know is that he loved that car, according to him. I recently asked him why he got rid of it and he told me it was because a friend really needed a car. He was already working on purchasing a new car. So he ended up selling the car to his friend, just to find out that said friend never put it on the road and immediately sold it. He says that if he knew he would've done that, he would have charged him a lot more for the car.
Bryan Shine I had a 2002 mercury mountaineer that I turboed and the thing hauled ass. Broke 2 of the stock transmissions though cause they were junk from the start new
I own both 3.8 v6 and 4.6 mustang...the 3.8 is garbage with head gasket failures that are expensive to repair and doesn’t last long before happening again
Jay Gray my buddy has a stock internal 4.6 2 valve 04 mustang with a procharger and a buncha other little things, the car makes 450hp and its very fast for stock internals!
The take home message is that the 2 valve is a hardy design and the three valve is a good engine that is unforgiving of delayed maintenance. As a general rule for purchasing a used vehicle though it's not a bad idea to just avoid the 3 valve unless they have the service history documents to show that at no point was engine maintenance neglected.
As a tech I agree, 4.6 and the 5.4 2v are amazing, huge step forward in technology and design. They go hundreds of thousands of miles leaking next to nothing. That can't be said about the FE, 335 family, SB or inline engines
As a tech I agree. But I gotta say previous Ford v8s were reliable but they liked to leak oil. Nothing like a LS Chevy engine though. Those are oil leaking pigs.
Mine burns about a quart of oil per year, not bad for an old v8. Just gotta check the oil and top it off every couple months. Besides that, I’ve had ZERO problems with my 4.6 Mustang. 151k miles now.
I’ve changed so many 5.4 3v engines I could literally do them with my eyes closed. I worked at a shop that all we did was engines and transmissions. I even had brand new 5.4 3v engines have problems from the very first start up because the engine builder didn’t clean the oil passages well enough. They would just send us a new engine and pay us to change it.
We have two 08 explorers in my house, both of them with over 100k miles, they both run awesome,I think they have the 3 valve, but for sure it's the 4.6 V8, love those things, super comfortable and reliable
So too with mine. Oil changes every 2-3K miles. It still cruises at 65 all day long. My best mileage was 31 on the I-80 in Wyoming. That included a stop at Little America for my 50 cent ice cream cone.
Ayo my guy I have an 02 just a got a new transmission for your sake my dude please change your transmission fluid unless you wanna drop 4 grand on a new one
@@whydoihave6neutrals772 you probably got fucked over, shops always say the trans need replaced when the majority of the time, the servo bores in the 5R55W wear out...all you need a sleeve kit...couple hundred bucks for whole job. Also, all 4r55 and 5r55 series trans are known for blowing out a piece of the valve body separator gasket which will cause the trans to slip, slam, and flare. Changing the fluid in these transmissions every 25k-30k miles is essential to make them last.
We’ve got a 2000 Ford F-250 with a 6.8L V10 in it. It tows a 6500 pound fifth wheel trailer with just as little effort as it does cruising. Terrible mpg though. It gets an average of 16mpg on our backroads which have constant elevation change
Ayumu-senpaii incorrect. Not a single bolt will interchange between a 5.0/5.2 and a 4.6/5.4/6.8. The only thing they share is the bore spacing. The 5.0 is not a modular engine.
i stand behind the 2 valve 4.6L, i've had 3 crown vics and one town car, sold my town car with 350,000 miles and still purring, my current 08 crown vic is at 199,000 miles
214k on my P7B and she's begging me to get in her and hit the highway right damn NOW! , Man I'm glad I came into the Vic Family ,feels good to drive something so tough and rugged and doesn't burn gas and has great Road Presence .
@3 name changes allowed every 90 days. Reread the comments and Take your time dude, NO ONE here is "bragging" about a damn thing , we are discussing the toughness and ruggedness of the vehicle and the block ain't meant to out run Smokey and the bandit it's meant to OUTLAST, pal .
I bought a one owner 2008 Mustang GT with a 5 speed almost 2 and a half years ago that had 134,000 miles on it, now it has 147,000 miles and the engine still runs exceptionally well.
@@sergiogonzalez6047 or maybe cuz its a sports car that most people dont daily drive just look at other cars that have the 2v like the crown vic 300k no prob
@@sergiogonzalez6047 or maybe cuz its a sports car that most people dont daily drive just look at other cars that have the 2v like the crown vic 300k no prob
Watched this to learn about the 4.6 L 3 valve in my 2006 Ford Explorer, but I found out I need to service the k&n filter I have. Thanks for adding that part in Wizard! Probably saved me a fortune 👍
Just recently had my 2007 Crown Victoria totaled in an accident, but it had nearly 230k miles on it and ran like a top. Kept up on the maintenance and it just kept going.
Currently in college right now with the family owned since new 98 F150 with the 4.6 2v. Currently at 346102 miles and I'm so grateful for this truck. I grew up in this thing and it runs around town well and will do the 650+ mile road trip home for the holidays and being conservative on the skinny petal I'll average 21mpg. I plan to be the owner after graduation.
My family has 4 of those 5.4 trucks and they all are at 200,000 miles and so far no issues but we change the oil and stay on top of maintenance like oil changes
The Ford Zetec 4 cylinder is a great engine. Great mileage, good useable power (You don’t have to rev it to the moon), outstanding wear characteristics and sludge resistance. Decent NVH. No leaks (changed the valve cover gasket) 160k/16 years on mine and it’s needed nothing else but timing belt, plugs.
8:42 Man I can hear that sound in my sleep sometimes. My 05 GT went through alternators at the rate of literally one every few weeks. Luckily, the car got stolen after the 4th replacement, so jokes on whoever took it cause that car probably broke down on the trip home
My 04 Expedition has 304K and keeps going smooth as silk. Only problem is a rattle at start. I suspect it's the worn timing chain tensioner problem, but it's been doing that for thr last 40K and hasn't snapped the chain yet. So I'm starting to think it might be something on the accessory drive.
@@OhPhuckYou The timing chain tensioner isn't an uncommon issue, especially at higher mileage. Best to pull the timing cover and replace at least the tensioners and the little O-rings on them but, ideally, do a whole chain and guide replacement as well (they do stretch over time). Take care of it and you're maybe halfway through the life of that engine.
@@OhPhuckYou My '05 5.7 Hemi truck has the same issue at 212k, just not at startup, at random times while driving I hear it. Been that way for 30-40k or more which makes me think accessory belt. Some do say automatic transmissions that are failing can make the noise also.
The 4.6 did have a couple weak spots that didn't get mentioned in the video. Timing chain tensioner seals often fail and leave the engines chewing up their guides and chains. The cars with the all-plastic intakes also usually have coolant crossover failures, too. On the flip side, they actually doubled the depth of the spark plug holes around 2003 so those are less prone to plug blowouts than the older ones.
Timing chain tensioner seals only exist in the nylon body chain tensioners that they only ran for a few years. And tensioner leaks normally don’t tear up chain guides unless you just live the start up chain slap noise for years without addressing it…. by replacing the tensioners with the iron body ratcheting style chain tensioners which *never* have problems. Unless it’s a race car that spends a lot of time on a 2-step. No problems for a typical street car/truck Chain guides get brittle and break when oil is run too long.
My mom has a 96 t-bird with a 4.6 and that thing has by our estimate close to 300K on it...the odometer quit counting about 4yrs ago at around 190K. The most serious issue it's had was the stock intake cracked (apparently fairly common), I installed a revised intake and it's run like a top since.
Had that engine too..loved it Crown Vic and f150 I remember the guy trying to sell me a lifted f150 5.4 super low miles too. But that 4.6 kept calling me..thankfully
An error in your spoken facts. Contrary to your statement that Ford trucks got the 4.6 V8 in 1995, Ford F150 trucks and Econoline vans didn't get the 4.6 until 1996 for the 1997 in the F150 and Expedition. The heavy duty models didn't get this engine until the 1999 model year. Love your channel! Keep up the great work!
The 5.4 had lots more problems than the 4.6. Mainly the spark plugs blowing out the top of the engine. They had issues keeping the threads in the cylinder head, especially if no maintenance had been done up to 100k mi
Ryan Malin The 4.6 also has the spark plug issue where it blows them out of the heads. The 5.4 3V has the spark plugs come apart inside the head and the outer shell gets stuck in there.
5.4 2v and 4v are bullet proof. Lots dumb fucks on the internet that join the band wagon of ignorance. Got a 5.4 2v with 375k running just fine still has great compression. The 4vs have no problems. They don't have the thread problem. Some of the best engines ever made. Put a supercharger on one and it turns into a monster with enormous torque due to the long stroke they have.
Everyone needs to read carefully. Early 2V engines 4.6, 5.4, and the 6.8 will spit the spark plugs out of the cylinder heads when not torqued correctly. The 3V engines had the two piece plug design that has the center break apart which leaves the threaded part in the cylinder heads.
I've had the pleasure of replacing both the alternator and water pump on a 2002 Grand Marquis 4.6 2v. Wizard's right, they were so easy. Incredibly well engineered. So, after designing such a well thought out engine, what happened with the 3.5 v6? What a disaster.
I have a 2001 F-150, and a 2002 Expedition ( Eddie Bauer edition ) . Both trucks have 4.6L 2valve engines. The F-150 has nearly 240,000 miles on it, the Expy has 236,000 miles on it. I have to agree with you about the bulletproof nature of those motors! Great video!
Love mine too! '05 lx sport. It handles the Detroit roads well and that is a true test. Insane potholes and terrible traffic. If i ever had to climb over a curb i think she'd be alright for the getaway...perfect car i.m.o.
My wife thinks I'm crazy but I would like a Towncar after this C.v. and put a rear end gear in it. Does the Towncar have a high performance package and the sport stuff?
Hah! I'm so savvy. I've owned two of Wizard's "best engines" out of the relatively few cars I've owned in my life--the GM 3.8 V6 and now the Ford 4.6. Also had a Toyota and a Honda (both 90s vintage), which are pretty much automatically in that league. I is so smahrt! Edit: yes, the 4.6 was a two-valve, apparently; a 2000 Mustang GT convertible.
Owned 10 of these over the years currently have 3 the highest mile is the Crown vic with 518k + 10,000 idle hours; tics and rattles a little on cold starts, burns a little oil (5w30 prolly gonna switch to 5w40 soon) but let it warm up 5mins and go like hell 90-100mph all day no problem. Cars had a couple transmissons, intake manifold, blown out spark plug.
I had a 1999 Mercury Grand Marquis with a 4.6L two valve. It is a terrific engine! The only problem I had was the plastic intake manifold cracked--a very common failing. $200 for a Dorman replacement, replacing 4 coils, and I was back in business! I traded the car when it had 300,000 miles on it and it ran like a top. I probably could've gone another 300,000 miles with it!
I heard the 5.4 and 4.6 engines are functionally the same except the 5.4 is “stroked,” meaning the pistons are a bit longer with other minor changes to give a higher displacement.
When you started talking about the shallow spark plug threads I started laughing because I daily a Town Car and just 2 weeks ago cyl number 4 decided to send it's spark plug into low Earth orbit very easy fix with a 14x1.5 tap and a save-a-thread sleeve and loads of blue and red loctite
Yeah. 2 valves are great motors. Not as much power, but enough. I gave up on k&n A while ago. They let in to much dust and/or oil. My maf sensors keep throwing codes. Great video👍
@@Michael-gh1tj incorrect. 5.0s split the block at around 500. 4.6s throw a rod at around 450 wheel hp. However, with rods and pistons the 4.6 will jold crazy power, doemeding on which block, theres some out there holding over 2000 hp. If you want more than 500 out of a 302 you have to buy a aftermarket block
@@traxxasrcfun You're confusing horsepower with torque. Horsepower numbers for both blocks can be all over the place without issues, and often are noticeably different from one engine to another. Even of the same engine design. Some examples will hit 550hp without breaking anything. Because that's not what causes the 5.0 to split in half, or the 4.6 to lose it's guts. It's the Torque. Horsepower is more about the speed at which you can accomplish something. While Torque is with how much force you can accomplish it, and force is what breaks parts. Exceeding 450ft lbs. of torque with either of these engines is extremely risky. But, whatever horsepower you're making before you hit that 450ft lbs. torque limit should be fine.
I have a 09' police interceptor secret service car was my mom's before she passed. It has 154k miles thats it no rust Im going to drive it till it doesn't move anymore love it reliable good on gas also for weighing 4k pounds. My dad ran cabs in Boston 300k miles was normal before retirement and most were still running just bodies were tired, all day long idling in heat cold a/c on snow luggage different drivers they all just ran!
One of those jobs where you fix one and the others fail is rusty Brake lines, they never want to do them all so they end up bringing it back 6 times.
Amen to that!!! Then the mechanic takes the blame. "6 trips and it's still not fixed, horrible mechanic!"
Had it happen quite a few times with early 00’s gm trucks. So much so I won’t do them anymore. I’ve done that job enough to know to always recommend replacing all hard lines, and yet 1 in 10 might say yes.
@@CarWizard Hi weeeeeezird
i advise customers to potential problems on my bill.....i do handyman type work and if they want a faucet changed for example and i see the supply line or shutoff is in rough shape i will suggest changing them out....customer says no ill do the faucet and put on invoice suggested changing line and shutoff..you know even 1 month or 1 year later when that line blows they will be blaming me....gotta cover your ass.
Quiet Entropy I drive an 01 Dodge and a 94 Chevy. If I didn’t do all the work myself it wouldn’t be worth keeping them,but it’s a labor of love. Now if they were customers trucks the first thing I’d ask is “do you want to keep this vehicle for a while” because if they’re planning to resell it they’ll probably freak when I tell them what it needs and what it’ll cost.
This engine doesn't get enough love. Think about how the 4.6 can be a pony car, a truck, a police car or even smooth enough to compete with Cadillac. It did all of these things well and reliability.
The cops would run the dogs*** out of them and send to auction. Cab companies bought em and run another 150k+
Regarding oiling a k&n filter. They say to just clean them bc the oil gets pulled into the intake
Ive seen several over 500k on original motor. Usually had transmission replaced at that mileage but had they just done the "j mod" in confident thr 4r70w would last as long as the engine@@exvan3571
Ls swap tearing for ass up every car show straight LS in everything
Lol Has to use a 3 valve 4.6, cuz 2 valve 4.6 never come around the shop
My Town Car had several issues, but NONE were with the engine. That engine was the best engine ever produced that I've seen. I would run it at 90-100 mph for hours at a time and it would take it like it was nothing. Heck, even the gas mileage remained respectable.
I know from first hand experience that 2 valves can take a beating. My 2000 f150 has the 4.6 2 valve and it has 422xxxkm and still starts up every time
Edit: 265k miles and still going strong.
My 97 expedition has the 4.6 2v with over 246k miles on it. Never had an issue since i got her with 150k miles
Hearing that makes me believe my 4.6 mountaineer with 150,000 just got hair on his balls
Stephen Reed same thing here, mines the 3rd gen and it has the typical water leak, my door lock push pin mount came off, and I need ball joints in the front, but it’s such a reliable car otherwise. (It’s needed ball joints for a long time lmao)
as someone who owns both a 4.6 2v and a 4.6 3v, both of which are mustangs, i can certify that they are both fantastic motors. the 2v sat for 6 years before i bought it, and it started right up and has been dead reliable ever since. the 3v has almost 200k miles, bought it with 120k and have only done regular oil changes with no issues whatsoever. fantastic motors from a fantastic company.
Fantastic company lol
@@bobbobob2405extremely fantastic
Spark plugs pop like pop corn
I've got a 3V and a 4V TT Mach 1. Excellent engines, no doubt. Were you aware a 4.6 4V has been 5.88 at 256mph with most of the oe engine? The Coyote has yet to match that without a billet block.
@@chadkent1241 unfortunately I have since sold both of mine, but I would love to find a good Mach 1. I love Coyotes but 4v’s are the best engines Ford ever built, so I’m not surprised at all that it went that quick.
Speaking as a technician of 19+ years, PROPER MAINTENANCE is what it all comes down to.
Plus, good design is a must, that no amount of maintenance can overcome
Ford Motor Company checking in I see!😂
old fart
I have a 2002 Ford F150 FX4 with the 4.6L 2V. 122K miles and only replaced a few coils and the alternator. Awesome reliable! Oil changes every 3-4 months really helps. I hope to have this truck for another 200K miles, we'll see if it makes it. A new engine would still be cheaper than a new truck. Love it!
My Grandpa had this engine in his 2005 Mercury Mountaineer. Loved that car to death, he bought it in 2006 for around 9500 dollars with only 25,000 miles due to everybody not buying an SUV due to gas prices(He really worked the salesperson). He babyed it so much. We went down to Florida multiple times with that car in 2006, 2008 and 2010, ran like a dream. He usually averaged around 12 MPG. He got all the suspension work, brakes, Owners Manual schedule, oil changes every 3,000 miles, all the works. It was the last car he drove, as he died from cancer in April 2017. I believe I last was driven by him in February 2017 in that car. Every snowstorm, always took it to the car wash and did an underside flush. Even got it professionally rust proofed about 5 years into owning it. My grandma sold her gold trimmed 2003 Cadillac Deville (which was kept up like a dream as well despite the Northstar) and then this car when my grandpa died. When sold, it had around 85,000 miles (?) in May 2017. NO RUST AT ALL in a state like Ohio. My grandma sold it to a mechanic friend at her family's company for his wife. He apparently paid about as much as they got it for in 2006. My grandma purchased a 2016 Ford Explorer fully decked out, but we all miss the Mountaineer a lot. I do understand why she sold it, as it forever reminded her of him and how much their 54 years of marriage meant to her and she could not live not living if that makes sense.
Year old at 25k is extremely high miles lol
Love my 96 town car with 413,000 miles on it and going strong still.
What WOW
@@iluvucuzjesus5347 Not uncommon if you do the maintenance!
Got a ways to go I got a buddy with a 2v marq who just rolled 1.2 mil over the summer, still going strong, more rust than steel but the motor runs like it's fresh off the lot.
I'm at 191000 in my grand marquis. Never have any issues.
It's a 2000
My dad’s pickup has the 2 valve 4.6 in it running like a clock at 190k miles. I currently own a 3 valve mustang and i love it. Both 4.6s are great but just DON’T get 3 valve 5.4 💩
How's the 3 valve engine? Is it good and is it as good and reliable as the 2 valve?
@@j_s0n From almost every thing that I reviewed and read into, the 3v wasn't quite as reliable as the 2v. I debated for a long time for which one to go with on my build and ended up going for the 2v. Which I swapped into my 1966 mustang. Pretty fun build. Have the whole series up on my youtube channel
@@4WDTrek That sounds awesome I might check out your channel on that. I hear yeah that they can have problems with the cam phasers and spit out the sparkplugs after some time. I always hear great things about the 2 valve and how they're very reliable and don't give really any headaches.
@@j_s0n I have heard the same thing about spitting out a spark plug but haven't talked with anyone who had it happen first hand. Could be one of those things that everyone SAYS happens but doesn't happen as often as it's been told. Kind of like how EVERY subaru wrx or wrx sti blows its head gasket. The only time I have seen anyone with one is when I know they just BEAT on the engine. I've put 300k miles on two different subarus with zero issues.
So I'm thinking it's people who just beat on them or over torque the spark plugs that have those issues.
@@4WDTrek I have an 06 3v mustang, and the only time I have ever spit plugs was when I used a weird brand of spark plugs to replace the shitty, defective ones from the factory. I caught the spit very early so because of that no damage was done. However, for anyone wondering, use motorcraft plugs on 3v mustangs, the new ones are not defective and should not break. Anything else shouldn’t be needed unless you do some insane boost build on the engine, in which case the new plugs must be tuned as well
I have a 1999 F-150 with the 4.6 engine and am turning 452,000 miles on it this month.
Wow
U are so right Mr
Car Wizard. Frequent oil changes are the ticket on the 5.4, I had an 07 f-250 w/ a 5.4, changed oil every 3000 miles. When I sold it the 250 had 180000 miles on it. Burned a little oil,but nothing to be alarmed about. GREAT VIDEO !!
Dang, my truck has this engine. My car has the 3.8 gm you reviewed in the last video. I'm going to keep driving them forever.
Good for you, man! That's awesome. Keep 'em on the road!
Same here.... I have an F150 with a 4.6 2v and a Lesabre with a 3.8. I own both of these partially because of the engines.
Me too, my work e250 work van is at 320k and my Buick Riviera supercharged is a 3800. The engine is at 75k
Here what you need to do put that 3.8 in your truck.
At about 7:50 , starters ARE hard to replace. The top bolt (of the three) needs you to use several socket extensions so you can reach it from the front of the engine.... under the exhaust manifold. Heard where people buy replacement starters on Ebay for as low as $31. Cheap Chinese junk. Don't do it. Buy a good one from RockAuto.
As a mechanic and owner of a 2001 mustang gt, i can confirm this. Ive seen the 2 valve engines go 300k+ miles plenty of times. And yes, they are easy to work on.
There great motors
Wizard: Sir your car is ready
Shelby owner starts car: Why do I smell burning donuts?
I was wondering if someone else noticed that 😂
Yes a piece fell in the engine.
@@Orangestardust it'll be fine donuts are self and will compress, May have some interesting smelling exhaust though.
I'd also say the 4-valve 4.6L V8s are just as reliable, dual timing chains and no cam phasing etc. They just aren't as common, since they were only in the 'premium' Fords and Lincolns.
I had 2 Lincoln Mark VIII's with the 4 valve motor and they were ultra reliable engines.
@@j.t.cooper2963 Mercury Marauder and original Lincoln Aviator use the 4.6-4v. Understated horsepower and never an issue over 110,000 miles so far.
@@RexKarrs Yep.
I think the Mustang Mach1 had a 4 valve?
@@angelgjr1999 yeah the Mach 1, 99-01 Cobra and 03-04 Cobra
2002 GT convertible and just turned 42000 miles. I replaced more tires from dry rot than I ever had this car worked on. Actually, I've never had to have this car worked on. 5 speed + Ford 4.6 sound = Happy Camper. Love this vehicle. Makes me feel young.
42k on an 02 is great. I love me a new edge outside of that interior
Just hit 88k on my 08. And I thought I had low mileage lol
I love my 2003 mustang gt 4.6l v8 2valve. 170,000 miles and still going strong and still has plenty of power.
My 03 GT has 212k. Still running great.
My 96 has 210k on her and i stretch her legs everychance i get!!!
Mine has 130k miles. Just did an oil change, drives like new! Actually, better than new! No joke!
Have any of you put it on a dyno and checked the power they're putting out with all those miles?
Dead Wrong my 2002 mustang GT 4.6 has over 200k and pushes 315hp with just better head and stage 1 cam, and bolt ons.
9:04 Mad props to the engineers who designed the fan and alternator to have the same number of cycles to failure!
The fan noise made it impossible to hear the failing alternator...
I was riding in a lincoln taxi with over 800K miles on it. The cabbie said all he does is take care of the regular maintenance.
I just lucked out and found a 60k mile 04' (97-03 body style "Heritage") f150 with the 4.6l engine for $1500!
I've always been a Chevy guy, but I couldn't pass up the price with that mileage.
It drives so smooth it's unreal to me.
My 07 Sierra 2500hd 6.0 is my tank of a work truck, but that Ford is smoooooth.. especially that engine. I'm impressed.
The more I watch gour videos, the more respect I have for you. A competent, no nonsense, honest mechanic.
I drove a 2001 Mustang GT for a few years and I loved that 4.6l 2v. Of course banging through a TR3650 with no cats and Flowmaster exhaust didn’t hurt either! But that car handled all I could throw at it. Tough engine!
“Ohhhh you’re supposed to SERVICE the million-mile filter???” 😂😂😂😂😂 holy mother of god
2v in my crown Vic, had 360,000 miles on it before I sent her to the bone yard. One of best engines to work on
I agree! I have had 3 Crown Vic Interceptors with the 4.6 2V, an 03,05 and 06. One each the body and frame fell apart before the engines stopped running, each well over 250,000 miles with the first 100,000 being actual cop cars.
My 05 F150 has the 4.6 2v!! It’s been nothing short of amazing!
we had an 06 with the 4.2 that we abused in hindsight and the only thing that stopped it was an old lady who didn't look both ways.
@@raymonds7492 If you have the 4.2 liter engine, that would be a V6 and that is based on the 4.0 liter engine used in the 2005-2010 Mustangs and has nothing in common with the 4.6 Mod motor the Wizard is talking about...
@@philipthomas6808 i know, i was talking about our v6 truck. Just adding my experience with the same era f-150.
I thought 04 and newer were 3 valve V8 engines?
@@turtle3117 5.4l yes. I think the 3v 4.6l wasn't available in F150s till like '09.
I love my Grand Marquis. That 4.6 will run all day at 90 MPH.
Mine is 16 years old and still going strong. I have a long commute and it's the most comfortable car I've ever owned. The gas millage is even respectable at 20mpg for a V8. I'm not looking forward to replacing it someday.
3 name changes allowed every 90 days. The ones in the panther bodies were purposely de-tuned for reliability
@@FreakTimmah I have a 98 seems like it will run forever. Very well built car. Small minor repairs but it may outlast some junk on the showroom floor today. My neighbors have almost brand new cars with more issues.
Most cars will run all day at 90 MPH...
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Had a 94 with 200k and was bullet proof and bow have a 02 with 210k and still going strong. So smooth.
The car wizard is a real world honest mechanic, when my twin turbo v12 benz craps out, guess who i will take it to?. The junk yard😂😂💰💰☠️
What should I do with my twin turbo W12 volkswagen?
Systems Realty Team add boost
Who you going to call the junk yard.
And Buy a Chevy
It seems to me that the 4.6 2 valve is a modern version of the ubiquitous Windsor 289-302 engine. It doesn't get especially good fuel economy or make a lot of power but it is a reliable engine when properly maintained. It powered many Ford, Mercury, and Lincoln cars and as a result parts are readily available for it today.
It helps that they made a bijillion of them so they’re super cheap to fix
4.6 is a over head cam design, old school windsors, 260, 289. 302, 351 share nothing with Fords Moduler V8.
Some will argue the 5.3 6.0 GM engines have more in common with the windsor architecture..
I never killed a Windsor, triton, yup..5.43v
Respect for the 4.6. I had a friend with a town car with what he said was the oil change light on. It was the oil pressure light, and had been on for weeks! I went to check the oil, nothing, pulled the drain plug, and got a few drips! The oil filter (which was a nice large one) was full, the only oil in the engine. Went ahead and did the oil change, car ran fine, no bad bearings, was amazed. Rest of car was totally falling apart and didn't last much longer, but the engine was still going. I sold him my ex cop crown vic, it was perfect for him and he loves it.
I had that engine in my f150. 17 years I owned it and it ran like a champ. No problems. I sold it and some say it's running today.
I miss the Ford 351 Cleveland. One of the best engines ever
Windsor block proved more versatile and reliable. Cleveland motors, in their late-70s 400M guise, had an especially bad emissions control system.
Fuck yeah ! Like the 289 ford 350 chevy or the 318 dodge! They don't make them like they used 2 !
Windsor all the way
I miss my 302 Windsors. I've owned 3. They just go and go and go! Rest of the car fell apart, but the drivetrain hummed along into eternity.
I got a 351 Cleveland in a 1973 f150 stepside.... oh shes bad
Tough engines. I've got two good running 4.6's. One in a 97/02 mustang and one in a 2002 crown vic. Easy to work on, parts are cheap, and damn reliable.
The 4.6 2 valve is a beast. Huge mistake on manufacturer when they started 3 valve and variable timing. More moving parts and more can go wrong, especially with the cam followers on a Ford.
Ford should’ve put the 4.6 4 valve engine from the terminator cobra into their 2005-2009 mustangs and offered that engine as an option for the s197 stangs
@@Jack-yw7bq 05-09 is s197. ALSO it would have had to been the engine from the mach1 and aviator probably as it wouldn't be cost effective to mass produce the terminator engine it literally had aftermarket forged manly h beam rods in it costed 56 bucks per rod as opposed to about 6 bucks for regular connecting rods. They would have had the 4v engine from the Mach and aviator which was a badass engine they should have done that and gave it powdered forged rods like the gt500s and coyotes got later it would have been good for 600-700 wheel minimum and in 2005 would have been awesome. Then the coyote would have been a more natural evolution. Imagine the 4.6 4v Mach engine with variable cam timing like the 3v has and some of the other advantages it had. The Mach engine also made more power they would dyno 280 stock despite only being rated 305-310 engine and the 3v was rated 300 but did 250-260 wheel stock. The Mach clearly made more power now imagine it with the fancy tools the 3v got. Idk why they didn't go that route.
@@Jack-yw7bq definitely for the Vic with all that weight
I agree that had it right and screwed it up this crap shows down the road why not build the motor again instead of making ones that don't last NOT how u get a good reputation I guess I'm stupid
The 4.6 Litre with an H PIPE dual exhaust sounds seriously BAD ASS.
That's what my Thunderbird has. Cut off both mufflers welded downswept. The drone kills the ears
The 2v 5.4s that didn't shoot spark plugs were solid too, 270-300k on those was easy
Yup. Mines still going strong at 304K.
They dont shoot spark plugs unless some one put the plugs in wrong
@Steve Vachaviolos Sitting in my truck listening to her pur away at 307K. My 4.6 spit the plugs about 90K ago and she's still doing good at 225K.
@Steve Vachaviolos My 04 Expedition 5.4 has 307K haha My 00 F-150 has 220K. The F-150 does burn oil, but I ain't easy on her.
@@OhPhuckYou I use to own a 4.6l 04 expedition. Aside from shooting one plug did good. Had it for 5 years bought at 86k miles drove it to 316k before selling it for a 11 f150 5.0 I would say from the 4 years of the 5.0 it's done pretty good. Recently went back to a Triton modular on a secondary pleasure driver 05 excursion v10 and the 15k I've put on it the thing seems pretty solid
I had one of these back in 2008 in Qatar, was my first V8, good noise but not overly powerful, enough for a burnout and fun. Did make itself a V6 for a while after two cyclinders died after a high speed test. Happy memories.
Adam Henderson haha my 302 made its self a Honda 3 cylinder after it made friends with the rats
pochoun33137 I was using it everyday and covering many many miles so it was going for a service about every two to three months. The drive was on a desert highway, very straight and one night after working late I planted my foot and wanted to see how fast it would go - at a high speed a loud noise occurred and the hood popped up. Concerned I pulled over but the engine was running and all seemed fine, closed the bonnet and figured it was probably just the rush of air that pushed the hood up. Continued to use the car until the next service came around. The mechanic asked me how the car was feeling, said it was good. He asked if the power felt low or if the fuel economy had improved - confused I just said no. Then he explained the car would need to be with them for a few days as it was a V6 with the valves of two cylinders needing replaced. With my best acting I said I was surprised and how could this happen, he said it had been seen before but only when a car is taken well beyond the speed limit - Never! I said, then emphasised this must be a warranty repair.
pochoun33137 Felt fine to me, but I’m not the most refined - I smash the pedals and wrestle the wheel, if their was any mechanical variance it was probably too subtle for my hoofs and paws to find. If the engine is rattling then just turn up the tunes. As soon as the warranty is near ending then the car gets replaced and the problems go away.
pochoun33137 older and wiser and slower - have a Jag Ftype V6, which interestingly has the same engine block as the V8, so also carried around two dead cylinders but this time that just a cost saving design from the manufacturer
302cu inch late 80's 225 horsepower my favorite ,those were hard to kill.
85 Mustang Gt 310,000 miles still running good when I sold it.
Second 85 MUSTANG GT 250,000 miles, sold it go a coworker it's still running good.
@@281cobracar7 I power shifted that thing until the diff ripped the floor and the motor a 79' went into an 87LX and the 4 speed sold it to a guy doing a 427 cobra replica sold the 87 for 3500$ a month later and I have 5 or 6 in all mad fun super lite.
My 2004 f150 4.6l 2v has 409000 miles on it and it doesn't tick, smoke, leak nothing , runs smooth I just drove 14hr round trip and it drove over 3 passes no issues , 4.6l 2v most reliable ford ive ever owned.
One of the main reasons I chose it for my 1966 mustang build on my channel! Great reliable engine that will last forever!
I have a 2004 Eddie Bauer Explorer with a 2v 4.6. 246k miles and still going strong. I love it.
I liked the 5.0L, that was a good motor also. I had one in my 1988 Thunderbird and it was solid.
The old 5.0 is a legend for reliability same as the 4.6
Thanks for the video Wizard! I have a 2006 Expedition with the 5.4 3V. It has 238,000 miles on it and it runs strong! Original owner. Miles dont kill cars, people kill cars.
Oil and filters are cheap. Neglected engines are not.
It's rust that kills cars.
you probably religiously change the oil and that will keep it on the road. I bought a 06 expedition at 224k miles with the 3v and it was sludged up. now mines got a new jasper crate engine with the wider passages and better oil pump it should last 300k if I change the oil regularly and have it serviced every 100k to do the regular maintenance
My buddy has a built Pro charged 2v 4.6 mustang, it sounds absolutely amazing and its fast as hell!
How much hp is it pushing? I really want to boost my car soon and I want to know what is the most i can get out of it
@@Cucuy-xe7oc on stock long block i believe he was just shy of 500 but recently he went fully built motor I believe a ford crate motor. It was a si trim procharger car, t5 borg warner stock intenerals. I believe even stock clutch for a while man. And with i believe 410s thing friggin boogied!!
@@mericafreedomland3583 thanks man, so with modified internals i can expect to push more than 500?
@@Cucuy-xe7oc oh absolutely man! But just a suggestion or tip, make sure everything else is modified at the same time type stuff because just a example. Say you have 1000hp motor but your trans,diff drivetrain components can only handle 500-600 those parts are what get the power to the wheels you know?
@@mericafreedomland3583 i feel you, im still learning stuff i barely got into cars since last November when i got my car but im trying to learn the most i can thanks for the info👍
My grandfather had a 2000's Mercury Grand Marquis with one of these in it. Don't know if it was a 2V or a 3V, but what I do know is that he loved that car, according to him. I recently asked him why he got rid of it and he told me it was because a friend really needed a car. He was already working on purchasing a new car. So he ended up selling the car to his friend, just to find out that said friend never put it on the road and immediately sold it. He says that if he knew he would've done that, he would have charged him a lot more for the car.
Sounds like he isn't a real friend of your dad. More like a cro'ok.
I loved my 1988 Thunderbird that I ordered brand new with the 5.0 mustang engine in it.
Now that was a car.
And what an engine!
I have had both the 3.8 and 4.6 2v. Both are great work horses. A pro charger will really wake that 4.6l up.
Bryan Shine I had a 2002 mercury mountaineer that I turboed and the thing hauled ass. Broke 2 of the stock transmissions though cause they were junk from the start new
It will but you cant throw too much boost at them. They can't handle it
Is your 4.6 stock beside the pro charger? I have an 02 gt with only 100k miles looking for cheap ways to get more power maybe around 400hp
I own both 3.8 v6 and 4.6 mustang...the 3.8 is garbage with head gasket failures that are expensive to repair and doesn’t last long before happening again
Jay Gray my buddy has a stock internal 4.6 2 valve 04 mustang with a procharger and a buncha other little things, the car makes 450hp and its very fast for stock internals!
So what I learned is:
2 valve GOOD
3 valve BAD
Flame Beats Like the ones the Cobra has? Idk. I think they’re good too. I’ve seen Cobras with close to 800 hp before.
@@FlameOnTheBeat 4 valves are good like 2 valves if you keep clean oil in them.
The take home message is that the 2 valve is a hardy design and the three valve is a good engine that is unforgiving of delayed maintenance. As a general rule for purchasing a used vehicle though it's not a bad idea to just avoid the 3 valve unless they have the service history documents to show that at no point was engine maintenance neglected.
@@FlameOnTheBeat BEST!!!!!
@@theinternets7516
3 valves are junk no matter what u do numbnuts
Well im glad to hear the 4.6 3v isnt as problematic as the 3v 5.4s
As a tech I agree, 4.6 and the 5.4 2v are amazing, huge step forward in technology and design. They go hundreds of thousands of miles leaking next to nothing. That can't be said about the FE, 335 family, SB or inline engines
As a tech I agree. But I gotta say previous Ford v8s were reliable but they liked to leak oil. Nothing like a LS Chevy engine though. Those are oil leaking pigs.
Mine burns about a quart of oil per year, not bad for an old v8. Just gotta check the oil and top it off every couple months. Besides that, I’ve had ZERO problems with my 4.6 Mustang. 151k miles now.
I’ve changed so many 5.4 3v engines I could literally do them with my eyes closed. I worked at a shop that all we did was engines and transmissions. I even had brand new 5.4 3v engines have problems from the very first start up because the engine builder didn’t clean the oil passages well enough. They would just send us a new engine and pay us to change it.
yea I just got a remanned jasper in my 06 expedition lets hope it actually lasts it has the wider oil passages.
We have two 08 explorers in my house, both of them with over 100k miles, they both run awesome,I think they have the 3 valve, but for sure it's the 4.6 V8, love those things, super comfortable and reliable
My 06 mustang GT 4.6 has been bulletproof. 185000 miles & runs great. Guess I got lucky with my 3 valve 4.6. thanks for the informative videos!
So too with mine. Oil changes every 2-3K miles. It still cruises at 65 all day long. My best mileage was 31 on the I-80 in Wyoming. That included a stop at Little America for my 50 cent ice cream cone.
What does it have now though
@@MountainStew02mileage is now 211000 miles..still running great.
My '03 Mercury Mountaineer has the 2-valve 4.6, awesome engine, it has over 200K miles and still runs strong!
Ayo my guy I have an 02 just a got a new transmission for your sake my dude please change your transmission fluid unless you wanna drop 4 grand on a new one
@@whydoihave6neutrals772 you probably got fucked over, shops always say the trans need replaced when the majority of the time, the servo bores in the 5R55W wear out...all you need a sleeve kit...couple hundred bucks for whole job. Also, all 4r55 and 5r55 series trans are known for blowing out a piece of the valve body separator gasket which will cause the trans to slip, slam, and flare. Changing the fluid in these transmissions every 25k-30k miles is essential to make them last.
I totally agree . I built many . They make easy,reliable power in with any bolt ons like pi swaps ,nitrous or just intake upgrades
I love my 5.4 2 valve, dependable and built tough!
Just no power probably 180hp to the back tire
2:00 The 5.0L "Cyote" V8 & 6.8L V10 are also modular engines. The idea was the plant could be changed to assemble any mod motor in a single shift.
We’ve got a 2000 Ford F-250 with a 6.8L V10 in it. It tows a 6500 pound fifth wheel trailer with just as little effort as it does cruising. Terrible mpg though. It gets an average of 16mpg on our backroads which have constant elevation change
@@EV6CrashCam I call bullshit on that 16mpg claim lol
Coyote is not a mod motor
Uh the 5.0 and 5.2 are modular motors. The modular motor family consists of 4.6/5.0coyote/5.2/5.4/5.8/6.8.
Check your facts!
Ayumu-senpaii incorrect. Not a single bolt will interchange between a 5.0/5.2 and a 4.6/5.4/6.8. The only thing they share is the bore spacing. The 5.0 is not a modular engine.
i stand behind the 2 valve 4.6L, i've had 3 crown vics and one town car, sold my town car with 350,000 miles and still purring, my current 08 crown vic is at 199,000 miles
200k on my 08 crown vic and still doesn't burn oil, 4.6L 2V FTW
214k on my P7B and she's begging me to get in her and hit the highway right damn NOW! ,
Man I'm glad I came into the Vic Family ,feels good to drive something so tough and rugged and doesn't burn gas and has great Road Presence .
@@radicalizedonline6825 cars actually feel awful to drive though imo
How can you tell the difference between the 2v and 3v????
203k on my 98GT runs like a champ I had to pick up a 14 GT too hopefully it’s also a good motor
@3 name changes allowed every 90 days. Reread the comments and Take your time dude, NO ONE here is "bragging" about a damn thing , we are discussing the toughness and ruggedness of the vehicle and the block ain't meant to out run Smokey and the bandit it's meant to OUTLAST, pal .
4.6 2v is one of the greatest modern v8s ever made. Great for almost any resto mod. More power is fun but always leads to more money
Ive owned 3 crown victoria police interceptors, a 94, 95, and an 08.
All three of them had over 350xxx miles. Looking to get an 09 soon :)
I bought a one owner 2008 Mustang GT with a 5 speed almost 2 and a half years ago that had 134,000 miles on it, now it has 147,000 miles and the engine still runs exceptionally well.
My 06 Mustang GT has 158k and it runs great
Lmao 150 k miles aint a lot . But for a Ford it is
@@sergiogonzalez6047 or maybe cuz its a sports car that most people dont daily drive just look at other cars that have the 2v like the crown vic 300k no prob
@@sergiogonzalez6047 or maybe cuz its a sports car that most people dont daily drive just look at other cars that have the 2v like the crown vic 300k no prob
Watched this to learn about the 4.6 L 3 valve in my 2006 Ford Explorer, but I found out I need to service the k&n filter I have. Thanks for adding that part in Wizard! Probably saved me a fortune 👍
Not hard just need to do it
I liked the 4 valve 4.6 from the Mach1. Sounded like an absolute beast above 6500 rpm
I agree - sounds so beefy especially with a set of Borla Stingers!
Yep, best version of the 4.6. Plenty of these 4.6 4Vs got extremely neglected in Lincoln Aviators for some reason.
Just recently had my 2007 Crown Victoria totaled in an accident, but it had nearly 230k miles on it and ran like a top. Kept up on the maintenance and it just kept going.
I like the 302, been around forever and parts are cheap and easy to fix
I liked my 4.6 3 valve. I had a 2010 Mustang GT with the manual transmission. She wasn’t the most powerful, but took off with the 3:73 rear.
The 3.73 really brings them alive. Still runs a highway well too.
I am proud to own one of those engines (the 2 Valve 4.6)
In my 2001 mustang gt convertible top trim level
Automatic transmission
Only 39.5k miles
I agree Wizard, nothing safer for your car than the stock box with a paper element!
Paper, please...
even when they are oiled properly they pass dust they are meant for racing it's dumb to put them on a passenger car
Currently in college right now with the family owned since new 98 F150 with the 4.6 2v. Currently at 346102 miles and I'm so grateful for this truck. I grew up in this thing and it runs around town well and will do the 650+ mile road trip home for the holidays and being conservative on the skinny petal I'll average 21mpg. I plan to be the owner after graduation.
My family has 4 of those 5.4 trucks and they all are at 200,000 miles and so far no issues but we change the oil and stay on top of maintenance like oil changes
The Ford Zetec 4 cylinder is a great engine. Great mileage, good useable power (You don’t have to rev it to the moon), outstanding wear characteristics and sludge resistance. Decent NVH. No leaks (changed the valve cover gasket)
160k/16 years on mine and it’s needed nothing else but timing belt, plugs.
8:42 Man I can hear that sound in my sleep sometimes.
My 05 GT went through alternators at the rate of literally one every few weeks.
Luckily, the car got stolen after the 4th replacement, so jokes on whoever took it cause that car probably broke down on the trip home
My car did that too, the fix is a fuse block in the engine bay starts to separate over time. Easy fix actually
@@BullittKid08 might want to make a vid on that fix or tell us where to look. thanks
The modular went into the F-150 starting with the 1997 model year. 1995 and 1996 were still using the pushrod 300, 302, and 351W.
My 05 CVPI has 187k on it currently and runs like a clock great motor decent power and great torque love it.
Love the way your soft spoken and explain points on the engineering. Keep it up buddy
The 2 valve modular is perfection, my father and uncle own 04 5.4 expeditions and both have over 200k and has never left us stranded.
My 04 Expedition has 304K and keeps going smooth as silk. Only problem is a rattle at start. I suspect it's the worn timing chain tensioner problem, but it's been doing that for thr last 40K and hasn't snapped the chain yet. So I'm starting to think it might be something on the accessory drive.
@@OhPhuckYou The timing chain tensioner isn't an uncommon issue, especially at higher mileage. Best to pull the timing cover and replace at least the tensioners and the little O-rings on them but, ideally, do a whole chain and guide replacement as well (they do stretch over time). Take care of it and you're maybe halfway through the life of that engine.
@@406Steven I just can't justify putting that much time into a SUV that's not even worth 2K anymore.
@@OhPhuckYou It's a difference in perception, really. I'd rather buy a $300 car and put $2,000 in repairs in to it than chase issues for years.
@@OhPhuckYou My '05 5.7 Hemi truck has the same issue at 212k, just not at startup, at random times while driving I hear it. Been that way for 30-40k or more which makes me think accessory belt. Some do say automatic transmissions that are failing can make the noise also.
The 4.6 did have a couple weak spots that didn't get mentioned in the video. Timing chain tensioner seals often fail and leave the engines chewing up their guides and chains. The cars with the all-plastic intakes also usually have coolant crossover failures, too. On the flip side, they actually doubled the depth of the spark plug holes around 2003 so those are less prone to plug blowouts than the older ones.
Mid 2004 was when spark plug threads were doubled. Any 2V after 2004 had all the service fleet improvements and are the ones to get.
Timing chain tensioner seals only exist in the nylon body chain tensioners that they only ran for a few years.
And tensioner leaks normally don’t tear up chain guides unless you just live the start up chain slap noise for years without addressing it…. by replacing the tensioners with the iron body ratcheting style chain tensioners which *never* have problems. Unless it’s a race car that spends a lot of time on a 2-step.
No problems for a typical street car/truck
Chain guides get brittle and break when oil is run too long.
Over 200k miles on the 2002 mustang GT still running great
05 E150 with 2v 4.6ltr ....440,000 and runs well....great motor
How many transmissions has it gone through?
Had a new one put in at 200,000 and it's still going strong so this is only the second transmission not bad...
My mom has a 96 t-bird with a 4.6 and that thing has by our estimate close to 300K on it...the odometer quit counting about 4yrs ago at around 190K.
The most serious issue it's had was the stock intake cracked (apparently fairly common), I installed a revised intake and it's run like a top since.
Had that engine too..loved it
Crown Vic and f150
I remember the guy trying to sell me a lifted f150 5.4 super low miles too. But that 4.6 kept calling me..thankfully
I'm looking at a 97 4.6 f250 2wd with 93k for 3500...good deal ?
An error in your spoken facts. Contrary to your statement that Ford trucks got the 4.6 V8 in 1995, Ford F150 trucks and Econoline vans didn't get the 4.6 until 1996 for the 1997 in the F150 and Expedition. The heavy duty models didn't get this engine until the 1999 model year.
Love your channel! Keep up the great work!
Holy crap 😲
Brian Weir
Yep. And the explorer had the 5.0 until the 2001 models. I was sad to see the last of the 5.0s go
Wow, that's something I would thought I would have known and I DIDN'T,
Well you learn something everyday 😎🤜🤛😎
@@roninkraut6873 I agree!! I have a 96 F150 with a 5.0. 200,000 miles and runs flawlessly.
JWelchon
I had one in my 95 Bronco. That was such a good truck. I need to buy me an older Ford truck again. Man I miss those old trucks
The 5.4 2V should be good as well. No cam phasers either. The 3V and 4V variants are nightmares.
The 5.4 had lots more problems than the 4.6. Mainly the spark plugs blowing out the top of the engine. They had issues keeping the threads in the cylinder head, especially if no maintenance had been done up to 100k mi
Ryan Malin The 4.6 also has the spark plug issue where it blows them out of the heads. The 5.4 3V has the spark plugs come apart inside the head and the outer shell gets stuck in there.
5.4 2v and 4v are bullet proof. Lots dumb fucks on the internet that join the band wagon of ignorance. Got a 5.4 2v with 375k running just fine still has great compression. The 4vs have no problems. They don't have the thread problem. Some of the best engines ever made. Put a supercharger on one and it turns into a monster with enormous torque due to the long stroke they have.
The 2vs did not have that plug issue! They didnt even come with 2pc spark plugs dont know where your getting all 4.6s had that issue.
Everyone needs to read carefully. Early 2V engines 4.6, 5.4, and the 6.8 will spit the spark plugs out of the cylinder heads when not torqued correctly. The 3V engines had the two piece plug design that has the center break apart which leaves the threaded part in the cylinder heads.
I've had the pleasure of replacing both the alternator and water pump on a 2002 Grand Marquis 4.6 2v. Wizard's right, they were so easy. Incredibly well engineered. So, after designing such a well thought out engine, what happened with the 3.5 v6? What a disaster.
My 4.6 2v had the water pump and oil filter housing combined. I wouldn't call it the best set up in the world for repair.
Had a 03 F150 with a 4.6 2v. Not a powerhouse but it ran forever with no problems .
I have a 2001 F-150, and a 2002 Expedition ( Eddie Bauer edition ) . Both trucks have 4.6L 2valve engines. The F-150 has nearly 240,000 miles on it, the Expy has 236,000 miles on it. I have to agree with you about the bulletproof nature of those motors! Great video!
Love my Crown Vic! Bulletproof!!!!!
Love mine too! '05 lx sport. It handles the Detroit roads well and that is a true test. Insane potholes and terrible traffic. If i ever had to climb over a curb i think she'd be alright for the getaway...perfect car i.m.o.
@@chrisoconnor3119 these cars are routinely used to rebuild old ford pickups because the frame is a tank so yeah, she'll handle a curb no problem!
Yes.... My 04 Lincoln town car at 625 000 km's. Still going strong. Bulletproof engine
Me too! My "04 is at 190k miles. Just had to replace the intake manifold gasket at 155k, a know design issue.
My wife thinks I'm crazy but I would like a Towncar after this C.v. and put a rear end gear in it.
Does the Towncar have a high performance package and the sport stuff?
Hah! I'm so savvy. I've owned two of Wizard's "best engines" out of the relatively few cars I've owned in my life--the GM 3.8 V6 and now the Ford 4.6. Also had a Toyota and a Honda (both 90s vintage), which are pretty much automatically in that league. I is so smahrt! Edit: yes, the 4.6 was a two-valve, apparently; a 2000 Mustang GT convertible.
Owned 10 of these over the years currently have 3 the highest mile is the Crown vic with 518k + 10,000 idle hours; tics and rattles a little on cold starts, burns a little oil (5w30 prolly gonna switch to 5w40 soon) but let it warm up 5mins and go like hell 90-100mph all day no problem. Cars had a couple transmissons, intake manifold, blown out spark plug.
I had a 1999 Mercury Grand Marquis with a 4.6L two valve. It is a terrific engine! The only problem I had was the plastic intake manifold cracked--a very common failing. $200 for a Dorman replacement, replacing 4 coils, and I was back in business! I traded the car when it had 300,000 miles on it and it ran like a top. I probably could've gone another 300,000 miles with it!
Great video Wizard. Love how honest and personable you are. Thank you!
I heard the 5.4 and 4.6 engines are functionally the same except the 5.4 is “stroked,” meaning the pistons are a bit longer with other minor changes to give a higher displacement.
Thats incorrect. The 5.4 ans 4.6 have completely different intake manifolds. It has a taller block which is what gives it a longer stroke.
When you started talking about the shallow spark plug threads I started laughing because I daily a Town Car and just 2 weeks ago cyl number 4 decided to send it's spark plug into low Earth orbit very easy fix with a 14x1.5 tap and a save-a-thread sleeve and loads of blue and red loctite
220k+ miles on my 05 mountaineer with the 4.6. Regular maintenance and everything, it's as quiet as can be. No ticking or nothing.
Yeah. 2 valves are great motors. Not as much power, but enough. I gave up on k&n A while ago. They let in to much dust and/or oil. My maf sensors keep throwing codes. Great video👍
I love the Ford 4.6. With flowmasters. WOT sounds incredible.
Cody Brown I’ll sacrifice some power for reliability and being easy to work on. My speed demon days are over 😂
It's the Ever since club, "Ever since you fixed my horn my wipers stopped working"
What about the 5.0 that was in the Fox Mustangs from 87 to 95...they were INCREDIBLE!
You mean the 4.9
@@Christof708 302 cubic inches , 4.949 liters they just round up.
The were only good up to 600 hp before they blew there guts out. I like the 4.6 it can take 1.2k hp before she explodes lol
@@Michael-gh1tj incorrect. 5.0s split the block at around 500. 4.6s throw a rod at around 450 wheel hp. However, with rods and pistons the 4.6 will jold crazy power, doemeding on which block, theres some out there holding over 2000 hp. If you want more than 500 out of a 302 you have to buy a aftermarket block
@@traxxasrcfun You're confusing horsepower with torque. Horsepower numbers for both blocks can be all over the place without issues, and often are noticeably different from one engine to another. Even of the same engine design. Some examples will hit 550hp without breaking anything. Because that's not what causes the 5.0 to split in half, or the 4.6 to lose it's guts. It's the Torque. Horsepower is more about the speed at which you can accomplish something. While Torque is with how much force you can accomplish it, and force is what breaks parts. Exceeding 450ft lbs. of torque with either of these engines is extremely risky. But, whatever horsepower you're making before you hit that 450ft lbs. torque limit should be fine.
I have a 09' police interceptor secret service car was my mom's before she passed. It has 154k miles thats it no rust Im going to drive it till it doesn't move anymore love it reliable good on gas also for weighing 4k pounds. My dad ran cabs in Boston 300k miles was normal before retirement and most were still running just bodies were tired, all day long idling in heat cold a/c on snow luggage different drivers they all just ran!
Me and my wife owned a 95 Thunderbird with the 4.6 2v for 18 years when we sold it 2 years ago it was still running strong at 260k miles