If you like battle royale games like fortnite, apex legends, etc, AND you like pirates, then Plunderstorm is the game for you! Reason for the toxicity: 1) Blizzard announced it was a new feature, based on community feedback (confusing because no one that I can find on the forums or otherwise actually asked for it), announced it was coming for over a month, but kept the details secret, and that was for "all players." This, we would find out, meant it was just for subscribers (classic, retail, SoD, Hardcore) which it is available and accessible to all players both PVP and PVE... technically. 2) It's not PVE, there is a singular quest you can get when you land for some small amount of plunder. 3) It's not PVP, you have none of your skills/talents, or even class. You are given a basic non-class character with a basic attack and a basic self-heal. 4) The players it DID attract were your typical Battle Royale types who would kill you when you landed or kill you when you were trying to fight an elite, etc, so level 1 characters who landed were ganked by others and this lead many players who just wanted to gather the plunder (the intention of the game, right?) to resent those other players. 5) Then they tied amazing looking rewards to a "grind-y" slog-fest of landing, gather plunder, die, restart. (For all rewards, 97500 plunder was needed and if you landed but were killed quickly, you ended up with 0-50 plunder / reputation, making quick deaths time consuming because it would take 3-4 minutes to be into the next match.) 6) Because the game is purely based on chance, you don't know what spells you will get, or items you'll obtain, and many died trying to get different spells from chests or elite mobs, leading many to hate the game play, the other players, and the repetitive nature. These reasons were why it didn't work for WoW. It may work for other BR games that people play, but I personally didn't understand why the devs brought this game mode to players who do not generally play this type of game. At least according to the forums... where it was a shit-show, obviously. Have a great day, and thanks for reading. See you in Azeroth.
they should have made it free. the rewards being an incentive to play the game... as i type all this i start to hear him talking about it with the same idea 😅
It is not a thing to attract new players. That is pretty obvious, since the game mode is nothing like actual wow. Imagine trying to attract players by making a small, pretty stand alone, game mode that is nothing like the actual game. Doesn't work. Plunderstorm is a fun extra addition for the millions that already have a sub. It's something that doesn't take away from the game, just a fun extra game that cost nothing extra for people with a sub.
Comment from Reddit: Yeah, a WoW patch shrouded in mystery, presumably to give us a little extra content since S4 isn’t actually bringing anything new. I was planning on canceling my sub until S4 weeks ago, but decided to work on an alt and see what this mystery patch was. I’ll take the mounts, the game mode isn’t terrible, but I’ll never touch it again after renown 40. A WoW patch that has next to nothing to do with WoW isn’t what I wanted to spend my money on It's wow patch 10.2.6. For maybe the first time ever they didn't tell us what it was so that alone gave it hype and then it had nothing whatsoever to do with wow. Plunderstorm is fine, making it seem like a wow patch when it wasn't is completely understandable that people would be pissed
By doing this I feel it shows either blizzard has no confidence in the product or they don’t trust the community. If they don’t trust the wow community then who are they making this game for anymore? Like he said no one really new comes to wow, so they need to somehow find that magic again “which probably can’t” or after world saga end wow. If anything classic and season of discovery should tell blizzard what the community. These are just my opinions.
Here is the issue - the expectation set beforehand and the communication at launch by Blizzard has been terrible. No one was expecting a "new game", they were expecting WoW content. We were sold as new WoW content. You have a large player base waiting for WoW content that just got non-WoW content. Fundamentally, that is the problem. That is their failure on Plunderstorm. It is not about PVE people complaining. PVE people do not PVP because they do not enjoy PVP. Don't try to sell any aspect of this as PVE or WoW content. Blizzard could have had a huge win by better setting expectations beforehand (could have still been a secret), while offering a greater PVE component that also encouraged people to eventually try PVP (maybe for the top rewards, rather than all the rewards). As I have said, if people really enjoy Plunderstorm - great for them. Enjoy the game. I was looking for WoW content. That does not mean I am looking for Wow to fail.
There are absolutely new people playing, mainly retail. I have data on that. But yeah, hit the nail on the head with everything else. It's too complex for new players a good bit of the time and they do end up quitting after a short period of time.
The only thing that pissed me off was the devs saying you don't have to pvp in order to max renown. Yeah, _technically_ he was correct, but not the way a lot of people like myself though. Blizz just wanted to see the hilarity of forcing pvp'ers and pve'ers into the same content. Same as they did with some of the requirements for the "Long Strange Trip" achievement where you had to recover flags in Warsong with your orphan out. It was literally the last thing I needed to do for so long. Then the lobby is kind of a weird place. I feel like we should be able to go into the lobby and hang out as long as we want so we can properly familiarize ourselves with the abilities and actually look at our renown and _then_ que for a battle when we're ready. As with all the content that Blizz has put out over the decades, some will love it, some will hate it, some couldn't care less either way.
The people who play WOW dont want a battle royal. I have played this game for a really long time both pvping and pveing. A lot of people shit on WoD bc of its content drought. SL and DF literally are WoD with worse pvp (since theres so much pvp unbalance) and literally the same amount of content. At least WoD didnt reuse content weve already grinded this whole xpac and called it "fated." That 9 month drought they stuck us with at the end of WoD lead to Legion, the best xpac weve had in the last 10 years. And THAT is what the people who play WOW want, more story progressing content, balanced pvp and more battle grounds/epic battlegrounds and more dungeons and raids. The community has told blizzard that and they continue to drop the ball. This game would also see a huge influx of new players if they went f2p (i know they wont.) A lot of people shy away from a sub bc why pay for a sub when there are other MMOs that arent as big and have everything they want in a game that has no sub and only microtransactions that they are free to opt in and out of
Alot of conjecture, and feels more like streamers are now saying the playerbase is the problem with saying their boomers, addicted and now also wanting to see the game fail? Seams like streamers are in fear of something? Like they may be the issue with the game?
Plunderstorm is NOT WoW. It is another game built on the WoW gaming engine using WoW assets (like building a game on Unreal or Unity using the assets from their stores). Plunderstorm is something I will never personally enjoy (I have played about 60 games, and have found 0 seconds of enjoyment in the game, but really really want the transmog bad), but man am I glad Blizz released something a lot of people will enjoy. That said, I am really pissed off at Blizz for locking WoW transmog behind investing time in another game........ It should have been something like "play 5 games and unlock the transmog". That gets people to play without this absolutely awful hateful grind (for people like me). As it is, it is just blatant disrespect due to the grind requirement.
I agree that I should have made it free for all to play, not just peeps that had a sub. Because this Plunderstorm is not made for the current WoW player. Most are like me PVE players and are not in the slightest interested in PVP even after they say there are PVE elements, it all comes down to PVP. Bud running around plundering until you get killed so that you get at least a bit of progress in your rep is depressing. The only thing that interests me is cosmetics and I have no clue if ever will have the interest or courage to play it long enough to get to 40. Out of 60 players in the match maybe 10-15(or even less) are there for a win, and the other 45-50 keep away from 1 a other in the hope of getting a high amount of plunder.
it is not free becayse it is limited game mode. blizzard is not retarded so ofc they know that people will want it seperately but since its limited event i assume it is like a beta. This will be a mobile game and it will be a gamepass game for xbox even
Running away in fear and hiding got me to the end and 3rd place a few times....it was actually a lot of fun! Did singles, duos and trips and found the plunder pretty easy to collect, and I am definitely 100% pve-er mog and mount collector. Hehe, well, actually I collect everything!
Don't add stuff that clearly isn't meant to be part of the game. They could have easily had made this a queued mode in pvp, like a brawl, using your character model and mog. They did not. They put it outside of the game, but requiring a sub. I am fine with PvPers getting something, but this is not a patch as it is not part of the game itself. We are being guinea pigs for something new like hearthstone or rumble.
14:00 If someone has an "addiction" problem with a game, it is the least of his worries because it is a symptom and even if he manages to stop playing, the underlying cause still exists and will manifest in other ways that likely won't be as benign as "wasting" a few hours and 3$ each week on a game.
ok for me is only an experiment to a new game. I think they will release a version for xbox soon, I didn't like the pvp part, I'm old and pvp gets me nervous, in fact I'm on renown level 10, because can't play more of three runs, I stop turn to wow make 2 m+ or go to farm some herbs and then turn to play only because I want the mounts. Is a little frustrating and I'm forcing to do pvp, my strategy is take what I can kill as many creatures and elites I can and when someone engage me for pvp I do nothing wait to be killed and rejoin again.
Can we stop with the overly generalized view of "gaming community is X"? It's not the community that is bad or toxic, it's a very vocal, but small, minority that picks up their internet megaphones and shouts out doom & gloom.
While I do think plunder is an awesome mode, I do not think it is a good onboarding experience due to being so different from WoW. But as a standalone thing I would love it! :D
Not sure how you feel PvE players would enjoy this. I agree with all your points except that. Plunderstorm IS PVP with a little PvE mixed in. Then you’re bashing people for loving the game and still enjoy it but see Blizzard making bad decisions to make it ever so slightly worse? GTFOH. You think too highly of yourself to discredit others opinions.
It's not WOW. It should be a separate free game in the launcher. Should never have been included and teased in the retail WOW Roadmap all these months. Retail PVP needs work. Retail PVE is quiet right now. And the thought that valuable labour resources were used to build Plunder instead of fixing and building a better retail world is upsetting. If I wanted to play a "simple" game I would. I literally hate Plunder. It's a console game at best. Pet Battles 2.0.
Why do people feel that these games should be free to play? If this was the only game Blizzard had ever made, must it still be free to play? i am trying to understand this?
It more then likely will be free to play at some point for mobile and consoles with micro transactions and skins, people forget Microsoft is running the show now.
Hehe...Late comment, but I love Wow warts and all. It has everything and has never been the perfect game. I'm totally a pve collector and had some apprehension about Plunderstirm, but just the fact it was a vast place to run around in, I just ran away in fear all the way to the end and got everything! Got ganked lots, but I EVEN killed a couple peeps myself! I came in 3rd place a few times too by hiding in the bushes! I suck at pvp, but getting ganked just does not have the consequences it did years ago. So just take it and move on. It's ok, and I really ended up loving this mode of play..so thanks, Blizz! Love your channel. Keep up the good work!
Some people just don't like battle royale, simple as that.. If PVE'rs aren't happy dev-time was invested in a battle royale mode, using wow assets - that's their right.. All these wow streamers who are fanboy'ing plunderstorm conveniently fail to mention that BR game modes get and retain them more viewers, than if they were streaming late-season m+ grinds or raid re-clears.. So it's a case of streamers wanting more income, and trying to push some goofy wow-themed BR to the community to get it.
I get the overall point and yet you make a video that is about how to leave something alone, or content creators should be promoting it. We should really ask how much Blizz paid you to promote it. That's right folks we can all make conspiracy theories
What's funny is I insubbed like 2 days before Plunderstorm came out. I've been going through my own personal battle of boredom with WoW, including SoD and Retail. They both are boring. One is a walking simulator and the other one is a lobby simulator, they're a foil to each other, they don't shore up each other's shortcomings. Like if I get sick of running on foot across the continent and wanna go Retail, well now I'm on Retail and I have no reason to travel anymore because I'm in lobby sim and I can just teleport everywhere, the problem is solved in Monkey Paw. If I get tired of not speaking to anyone in Retail unless it's someone arguing with me about something and I wanna go community on SoD, well now I'm on SoD and everything takes 20x longer. I'm not particularly thrilled with either iteration of the game anymore. They could just be a whole lot more.
Man, you hit the nail on the head with this video. I especially love when you called out the people playing 40+ hours who still complain about how the game is so-called dogshit. Stop playing if you hate it so much...
Wait video games are supposed to be fun? Say it ain't so! There's no winning with fandoms. Doesn't matter if it's a fandom that hates or loves something. They're going to complain because otherwise they are not a fan. It doesn't matter how dumb the argument is or how incorrect it is - they are right and you are wrong. People just blindly hating and supporting Blizzard and WoW are why I just do not follow hype or hate trains anymore. More specifically with the people on the "I hate WoW" just spew completely incorrect objectively false information that does not line up with the actual game. I have seen so many of these people over the nearly 2 decades I've played this game that were never going to play WoW and never have try to have any sort of say in how the game is doing. The other side has done the exact same thing the other way around.
i think people are just mad that retail content is so boring, everytime i see the roadmap they reveal nothing interesting: new m+ season, new pvp season (both are the same, just farming the same items in higher ilvl), some heritage armor, some ingame events (that maybe you do for a couple weeks), maybe pvp or pve tournaments (not ingame related to us players, we just watch). There is a lack of new interesting content to keep you playing each patch. QUALITY OF LIFE CHANGES SHOULDN'T BE A PATCH FEATURE. Blizzard is such a huge company, MAKES A LOT OF MONEY from microtransactions and suscriptions, and we see so little of that invested into the game is just sad and makes players mad, thats why there is such a love hate relationship between the comunity and the game.
So what do you want new from wow? A dating sim?😂 The new expansion with new quest and stuff is also coming im a year, that isnt something you can create in a few month. And btw. plunderstorm is a new thing so idk.
@@Artoran15 more stuff like plunderstorm ! again, blizzard has the money to develop more cool stuff, maybe more dungeons and raids, maybe new pvp game modes. seems kinda lazy to just threw a new m+ an pvp season. time between patches are so long bro, we need more stuff
@@Artoran15 maybe one of the many things ppl asked for for years like housing? or just more of the stuff ppl like wow for like dungeons, raids and pvp? also yeah more QoL changes, more cosmetic only content like magetower. simply more for all that money we give them every expansion (also getting more and more expensive every time)and not just the same amount or less than we got for the last 10 years. ah forgot to add: more balancing and talent tree reworks. continiue being a good blizzard loving sheep tho
@@tdrai4648 Wooow, we are just discussing things here and now you insult me as a sheep, yeah that adds something to tje matter. But i thought YOU said that is boring. I want a new Raid too btw. I dont rlly like S4 as it is. Thing is, if the Season is longer us mythic raiders have more time to get CE. So that is thing.
@@Artoran15 mythic raiders are just a low % of the playerbase, i used to raid for CE but i was logging only to raid. My point is, they should make more stuff that makes you play the game more consistently, maybe like plunderstorm. I believe we get so little for a game that has a suscription, expansions AND microtransactions.
I disagree. I don't like PvPing at all. I don't want to PvP, period. There's almost no pirate tmogs in WoW and then there's a dragonriding mount attached to it. That alone forced me into doing it. This week, was the worse week for Dragonflight yet. I had absolutely no fun playing the game after getting through all 40 reknown levels. What made it worse, after every session of Plunderstorm, I would be so frustrated that I didn't want to play retail WoW. I'm a Mythic+ player and do get my AOTC in. There's zero interest in ANY form of PvP at all. Nothing about Plunderstorm scratched any M+ or Raiding itch. Plunderstorm would've been something decent, if it wasn't such a long grind to get all the collectable things from it. I hate PvPing. My friend circle hates PvPing. My guild almost entirely hates PvPing. If it was a 5, at most 10, reknown level grind for everything, that's one thing. A 40 level one, they deliberately dragged this out unnecessarily.
started up plunderstorm last wednesday thinking, OK we will suffer through world of fortnite for the cosmetics and nothing more, now I am renown 40 and back in wow and want to play plunderstorm more than wow lmao
Dragonflight is the first expansion I played fully. For context, I played PVE only and managed to achieve cutting edge in S2 and S3 so I committed a lot of time to the game over the course of the expansion. My opinion on retail wow currently is that the amount of content, response time for bugs, response time for balance changes is pathetic considering how much money they it costs to play the game. After playing for the whole expansion cycle I kind of just feel insulted as a consumer...
Disclaimer: i have played retail since TBC, i collect mounts, i play all aspects of wow pvp and pve, BUT i hate plunderstorm its not my type of game play at all i tried it, Now for the kicker a couple of days ago i was spring cleaning my garden my 15 year old son asked to try it as i agree with others the sub attached to it is stupid he doesnt have a active wow sub, so i said sure crack on have a couple of hours, Well..... he absolutly loves plunderstorm when im not at my pc he is on school holidays atm in the uk and he sneaks on my pc and loves it, i did originally put a sarcastic comment on the wow youtube video for it but after seeing my son have so much fun i realized yeah the game ain't for me i cant stand it but its a me problem not the game my son opened up my eyes and reconsider my response to it (being a wow only player i/we seem to live in a little bubble where its wow and only wow anything different is wrong, me included), i wont play it once i get to renown 40 but my son probably will, he has even asked if he could pay for a sub just to play it out of his own pocket money which i am debating as i don't think he should.
It's truly sad that having fun seems to just not cut it anymore, people need to moralize every decision Blizzard makes in order to even start to figure out if the product is fun or not, holy shit what a fucked up time to develop games, also imagine these people figuring out where their lithium batteries come from, yikes.
The problem with the crossover is you have to play an insane amount in Plunderstorm compared to how little you had to in the Hearthstone ones to get the goods in WoW proper. It’s a fine game, but it isn’t WoW and not what a majority of the community wanted out of it.
Dude it is not wow it is a wow skin for Fortnite an PubG minded players. Collect X plunder and killl X NPCs while not getting ganked is not the same as RAID or a dungeon. I find this more likely to be an experiment on a mobile/console spinoff that they have been dying to have in their stable.
Biggest problem with wow is that you can buy with irl money everything there is in the game. M+ boost arena rating boost raid clear carry. Blizz wont realize the volume of their non-official services market.
And why is that a problem? I dont use them, im Mythic Raiding myself, if someone fails or isnt good enogh with his class, you know that after a few pulls.
As a CE raider and pvp HATER i really like plunderstorm. Maxed out its renown track by Saturday by actually playing it and even winning a few matches. In fact, going by total plunder collected, I'd almost be at renown 80 by now. What makes Plunderstorm stand out is that it is (AFAIK) the first BR game that IS NOT a shooter. It also came out at the perfect moment in the season cycle as there's nothing left to do except for reclears. The only thing I dislike is the rng factor of spell drops from non-elite monsters. Sometimes you get 3 spells in your first 3 kills while sometimes you don't get any in 20 kills.
I'm sorry, i've been playing wow since day 1. I've done everything in the game to some degree. And plunderstorm is a piece of shit. I can't figure out all the big name PVE ppl acting like this is a good game mode. It's so awful. I love retail right now. I play the hell out of M+ and think the raids have been amazing in DF. But plunderstorm is a PILE OF SHIT. It's just not a good game at all.
People are genuinely crazy....... I just play the game if i want and drop it if i dont. Keep up the great vids Jimfro , miss ya man , also plunderstorm is FUCKIN SICK
The complaining about season 4 bringing nothing new is getting real old and worn out. That's not the point of the season, but as the title says, the wow community is probably one of the most toxic out there
WoW community is not trash and it's not the worst on the Internet. Only blizz shills say that. On the other hand blizz devs are horrible with less and less imagination and more DEI and ESG bullet points.
no ones going to pick wow over other mmos in a vacuum. it has nothing to do with the community wows just dated as fuck and blizz doesn't care enough to update it at all. a MMO from 2003 looks better FFS
the vocal minority is usually completely unhinged and chronically online. I've played WoW for over 17yrs and I've had a blast with the event(35 renown). hope you can grift off peoples emotions glhf
the fact that he and other „creators“ defend this BR as a new and fresh idea while also calling ppl toxic for not liking it is really funny. should have stayed with making guides but now I hope this channels gets cancled tbh
Plunderstorm is fun for about 5 minutes, then it's just a boring as F reward grind. There's no incentive to try and win. Gaining rep is far quicker by just getting to level 5 -7, doing the world quest and then running into the storm to die. Rinse and repeat.
As someone who raids and does mythics the issue with plunderstorm is the rewards are all cosmetic other than being able to buy some flight stones etc so if your not into mount collections or transmog collections for the trial of style or even pets it becomes there is no point to doing it.
Based on your punctuation your reply is in the form of a question, so I will respond. For those who enjoy the collectables mogs, mount, toys etc. getting them is fun, however a great majority of those players do not enjoy PVP in any form, as for the PVP players they by majority are hard core devoted to that activity which for them is fun and it has it's own in-game rewards in the form of gear. However as explained for those of us who progress thru the story lines, run instances and raids other than the ability to purchase things like flight stones there is nothing of interest so time spent vs reward is not there which is not fun. I personally have reached the point where I have cut my play time to minimum as for the past 3 month in the vault after running Mythic Instances and Heroic Raids I have had to settle for coins as a vault reward on 3 toons I consider mains. I've played since vanilla and this seems to becoming the norm in WOW for many players. @@sfarsitulumi
2:56 "Everything the game has. Just that wow combat. Loads of games tried to do that" There are sooooooo many games that have better combat than WoW, lol. WoW is the best in other fields/topics, combat is not one of them.
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If you like battle royale games like fortnite, apex legends, etc, AND you like pirates, then Plunderstorm is the game for you!
Reason for the toxicity:
1) Blizzard announced it was a new feature, based on community feedback (confusing because no one that I can find on the forums or otherwise actually asked for it), announced it was coming for over a month, but kept the details secret, and that was for "all players." This, we would find out, meant it was just for subscribers (classic, retail, SoD, Hardcore) which it is available and accessible to all players both PVP and PVE... technically.
2) It's not PVE, there is a singular quest you can get when you land for some small amount of plunder.
3) It's not PVP, you have none of your skills/talents, or even class. You are given a basic non-class character with a basic attack and a basic self-heal.
4) The players it DID attract were your typical Battle Royale types who would kill you when you landed or kill you when you were trying to fight an elite, etc, so level 1 characters who landed were ganked by others and this lead many players who just wanted to gather the plunder (the intention of the game, right?) to resent those other players.
5) Then they tied amazing looking rewards to a "grind-y" slog-fest of landing, gather plunder, die, restart. (For all rewards, 97500 plunder was needed and if you landed but were killed quickly, you ended up with 0-50 plunder / reputation, making quick deaths time consuming because it would take 3-4 minutes to be into the next match.)
6) Because the game is purely based on chance, you don't know what spells you will get, or items you'll obtain, and many died trying to get different spells from chests or elite mobs, leading many to hate the game play, the other players, and the repetitive nature.
These reasons were why it didn't work for WoW. It may work for other BR games that people play, but I personally didn't understand why the devs brought this game mode to players who do not generally play this type of game. At least according to the forums... where it was a shit-show, obviously.
Have a great day, and thanks for reading.
See you in Azeroth.
I still don't understand why Plunderstorm requires the WoW sub, you don't even need a high level toon so I don't get it
simple:because money. also the reason why there are rewards for an apparenty whole diff game on it and fomo of course
they should have made it free. the rewards being an incentive to play the game... as i type all this i start to hear him talking about it with the same idea 😅
because its how vlizzard makes money.
It is not a thing to attract new players. That is pretty obvious, since the game mode is nothing like actual wow. Imagine trying to attract players by making a small, pretty stand alone, game mode that is nothing like the actual game. Doesn't work. Plunderstorm is a fun extra addition for the millions that already have a sub. It's something that doesn't take away from the game, just a fun extra game that cost nothing extra for people with a sub.
1st first public test (basically a beta) 2nd Mode is integrated into the wow client, and I guess there are issues with accessibility
I just wish people would stop trying to gaslight me into feeling bad for just not being into Plunderstorm and vocalizing it.
exactly this. Played four games and hated it.
i hated it too but i got to 40 i only want the cosmetic. are we still friends?
Comment from Reddit:
Yeah, a WoW patch shrouded in mystery, presumably to give us a little extra content since S4 isn’t actually bringing anything new. I was planning on canceling my sub until S4 weeks ago, but decided to work on an alt and see what this mystery patch was. I’ll take the mounts, the game mode isn’t terrible, but I’ll never touch it again after renown 40. A WoW patch that has next to nothing to do with WoW isn’t what I wanted to spend my money on
It's wow patch 10.2.6. For maybe the first time ever they didn't tell us what it was so that alone gave it hype and then it had nothing whatsoever to do with wow. Plunderstorm is fine, making it seem like a wow patch when it wasn't is completely understandable that people would be pissed
By doing this I feel it shows either blizzard has no confidence in the product or they don’t trust the community. If they don’t trust the wow community then who are they making this game for anymore? Like he said no one really new comes to wow, so they need to somehow find that magic again “which probably can’t” or after world saga end wow. If anything classic and season of discovery should tell blizzard what the community. These are just my opinions.
I would like it a lot more if it were generally wow themed instead of exclusively pirate themed. Pirates don't really do it for me.
The reference to non alcoholic beer is just golden. 10/10
Blizzard made with Plunderstorm what IceFrog made with DotA.
Here is the issue - the expectation set beforehand and the communication at launch by Blizzard has been terrible. No one was expecting a "new game", they were expecting WoW content. We were sold as new WoW content. You have a large player base waiting for WoW content that just got non-WoW content.
Fundamentally, that is the problem. That is their failure on Plunderstorm.
It is not about PVE people complaining. PVE people do not PVP because they do not enjoy PVP. Don't try to sell any aspect of this as PVE or WoW content. Blizzard could have had a huge win by better setting expectations beforehand (could have still been a secret), while offering a greater PVE component that also encouraged people to eventually try PVP (maybe for the top rewards, rather than all the rewards).
As I have said, if people really enjoy Plunderstorm - great for them. Enjoy the game.
I was looking for WoW content.
That does not mean I am looking for Wow to fail.
There are absolutely new people playing, mainly retail. I have data on that. But yeah, hit the nail on the head with everything else. It's too complex for new players a good bit of the time and they do end up quitting after a short period of time.
The only thing that pissed me off was the devs saying you don't have to pvp in order to max renown. Yeah, _technically_ he was correct, but not the way a lot of people like myself though. Blizz just wanted to see the hilarity of forcing pvp'ers and pve'ers into the same content. Same as they did with some of the requirements for the "Long Strange Trip" achievement where you had to recover flags in Warsong with your orphan out. It was literally the last thing I needed to do for so long.
Then the lobby is kind of a weird place. I feel like we should be able to go into the lobby and hang out as long as we want so we can properly familiarize ourselves with the abilities and actually look at our renown and _then_ que for a battle when we're ready.
As with all the content that Blizz has put out over the decades, some will love it, some will hate it, some couldn't care less either way.
OMG, it took me so long to get that one! I remember everyone just standing there with their orphan out waiting. LOL
I wish everyday WoW would one day do combat as well as WildStar did.
wasnt good enough to keep it from dying.
Thats not why it died@@adverbs626
This was so random.
The people who play WOW dont want a battle royal. I have played this game for a really long time both pvping and pveing. A lot of people shit on WoD bc of its content drought. SL and DF literally are WoD with worse pvp (since theres so much pvp unbalance) and literally the same amount of content. At least WoD didnt reuse content weve already grinded this whole xpac and called it "fated." That 9 month drought they stuck us with at the end of WoD lead to Legion, the best xpac weve had in the last 10 years. And THAT is what the people who play WOW want, more story progressing content, balanced pvp and more battle grounds/epic battlegrounds and more dungeons and raids. The community has told blizzard that and they continue to drop the ball. This game would also see a huge influx of new players if they went f2p (i know they wont.) A lot of people shy away from a sub bc why pay for a sub when there are other MMOs that arent as big and have everything they want in a game that has no sub and only microtransactions that they are free to opt in and out of
Alot of conjecture, and feels more like streamers are now saying the playerbase is the problem with saying their boomers, addicted and now also wanting to see the game fail? Seams like streamers are in fear of something? Like they may be the issue with the game?
The game has never made me quit the game. Every time i've ever quit wow, it was the players.
Plunderstorm is NOT WoW. It is another game built on the WoW gaming engine using WoW assets (like building a game on Unreal or Unity using the assets from their stores).
Plunderstorm is something I will never personally enjoy (I have played about 60 games, and have found 0 seconds of enjoyment in the game, but really really want the transmog bad), but man am I glad Blizz released something a lot of people will enjoy. That said, I am really pissed off at Blizz for locking WoW transmog behind investing time in another game........ It should have been something like "play 5 games and unlock the transmog". That gets people to play without this absolutely awful hateful grind (for people like me). As it is, it is just blatant disrespect due to the grind requirement.
I agree that I should have made it free for all to play, not just peeps that had a sub. Because this Plunderstorm is not made for the current WoW player. Most are like me PVE players and are not in the slightest interested in PVP even after they say there are PVE elements, it all comes down to PVP. Bud running around plundering until you get killed so that you get at least a bit of progress in your rep is depressing. The only thing that interests me is cosmetics and I have no clue if ever will have the interest or courage to play it long enough to get to 40.
Out of 60 players in the match maybe 10-15(or even less) are there for a win, and the other 45-50 keep away from 1 a other in the hope of getting a high amount of plunder.
it is not free becayse it is limited game mode. blizzard is not retarded so ofc they know that people will want it seperately but since its limited event i assume it is like a beta. This will be a mobile game and it will be a gamepass game for xbox even
Running away in fear and hiding got me to the end and 3rd place a few times....it was actually a lot of fun! Did singles, duos and trips and found the plunder pretty easy to collect, and I am definitely 100% pve-er mog and mount collector. Hehe, well, actually I collect everything!
Don't add stuff that clearly isn't meant to be part of the game.
They could have easily had made this a queued mode in pvp, like a brawl, using your character model and mog.
They did not. They put it outside of the game, but requiring a sub. I am fine with PvPers getting something, but this is not a patch as it is not part of the game itself.
We are being guinea pigs for something new like hearthstone or rumble.
They also need to add another leg of class tuning and make raid, dungeons and arenas/bgs separate.
14:00 If someone has an "addiction" problem with a game, it is the least of his worries because it is a symptom and even if he manages to stop playing, the underlying cause still exists and will manifest in other ways that likely won't be as benign as "wasting" a few hours and 3$ each week on a game.
no hes a toxic blizz hater and needs to be made fun of!! everything blizz does is always good, trust the creator guy shillling for clicks!!
Sorry, but there is not “questing” nor anything really to “explore” in Plunderstorm
funny, you can clearly see quests that pop up in there.
The most effective way to grind rep is to do the quest, play PvE and suicide in the storm and go again.
@@adverbs626 It’s a singular ‘quest’ of no substance and zero narrative consequence; “collect 2 spells”, etc. The end.
ok for me is only an experiment to a new game. I think they will release a version for xbox soon, I didn't like the pvp part, I'm old and pvp gets me nervous, in fact I'm on renown level 10, because can't play more of three runs, I stop turn to wow make 2 m+ or go to farm some herbs and then turn to play only because I want the mounts. Is a little frustrating and I'm forcing to do pvp, my strategy is take what I can kill as many creatures and elites I can and when someone engage me for pvp I do nothing wait to be killed and rejoin again.
isn't fun to me.
Can we stop with the overly generalized view of "gaming community is X"? It's not the community that is bad or toxic, it's a very vocal, but small, minority that picks up their internet megaphones and shouts out doom & gloom.
While I do think plunder is an awesome mode, I do not think it is a good onboarding experience due to being so different from WoW. But as a standalone thing I would love it! :D
Not sure how you feel PvE players would enjoy this. I agree with all your points except that. Plunderstorm IS PVP with a little PvE mixed in.
Then you’re bashing people for loving the game and still enjoy it but see Blizzard making bad decisions to make it ever so slightly worse? GTFOH.
You think too highly of yourself to discredit others opinions.
Microsoft is running the show now. This will be free to play with micro transactions for skins 100%.
I feel confused because I hate blizzard and agree with everything you said lol
Agreed, my dude. Good rant.
It's not WOW. It should be a separate free game in the launcher. Should never have been included and teased in the retail WOW Roadmap all these months. Retail PVP needs work. Retail PVE is quiet right now. And the thought that valuable labour resources were used to build Plunder instead of fixing and building a better retail world is upsetting. If I wanted to play a "simple" game I would. I literally hate Plunder. It's a console game at best. Pet Battles 2.0.
gaming is addictive, who knew?
the WHAT?! after the trans comment has be fucking rolling
Why do people feel that these games should be free to play? If this was the only game Blizzard had ever made, must it still be free to play? i am trying to understand this?
It more then likely will be free to play at some point for mobile and consoles with micro transactions and skins, people forget Microsoft is running the show now.
Hehe...Late comment, but I love Wow warts and all. It has everything and has never been the perfect game. I'm totally a pve collector and had some apprehension about Plunderstirm, but just the fact it was a vast place to run around in, I just ran away in fear all the way to the end and got everything! Got ganked lots, but I EVEN killed a couple peeps myself! I came in 3rd place a few times too by hiding in the bushes! I suck at pvp, but getting ganked just does not have the consequences it did years ago. So just take it and move on. It's ok, and I really ended up loving this mode of play..so thanks, Blizz! Love your channel. Keep up the good work!
Some people just don't like battle royale, simple as that.. If PVE'rs aren't happy dev-time was invested in a battle royale mode, using wow assets - that's their right.. All these wow streamers who are fanboy'ing plunderstorm conveniently fail to mention that BR game modes get and retain them more viewers, than if they were streaming late-season m+ grinds or raid re-clears.. So it's a case of streamers wanting more income, and trying to push some goofy wow-themed BR to the community to get it.
I get the overall point and yet you make a video that is about how to leave something alone, or content creators should be promoting it. We should really ask how much Blizz paid you to promote it. That's right folks we can all make conspiracy theories
True, we are xD
Bro just embraces the chaos lol!
Here here friend. Here here....
What's funny is I insubbed like 2 days before Plunderstorm came out. I've been going through my own personal battle of boredom with WoW, including SoD and Retail. They both are boring. One is a walking simulator and the other one is a lobby simulator, they're a foil to each other, they don't shore up each other's shortcomings. Like if I get sick of running on foot across the continent and wanna go Retail, well now I'm on Retail and I have no reason to travel anymore because I'm in lobby sim and I can just teleport everywhere, the problem is solved in Monkey Paw. If I get tired of not speaking to anyone in Retail unless it's someone arguing with me about something and I wanna go community on SoD, well now I'm on SoD and everything takes 20x longer. I'm not particularly thrilled with either iteration of the game anymore. They could just be a whole lot more.
Man, you hit the nail on the head with this video. I especially love when you called out the people playing 40+ hours who still complain about how the game is so-called dogshit. Stop playing if you hate it so much...
Wait video games are supposed to be fun? Say it ain't so!
There's no winning with fandoms. Doesn't matter if it's a fandom that hates or loves something. They're going to complain because otherwise they are not a fan. It doesn't matter how dumb the argument is or how incorrect it is - they are right and you are wrong. People just blindly hating and supporting Blizzard and WoW are why I just do not follow hype or hate trains anymore. More specifically with the people on the "I hate WoW" just spew completely incorrect objectively false information that does not line up with the actual game. I have seen so many of these people over the nearly 2 decades I've played this game that were never going to play WoW and never have try to have any sort of say in how the game is doing. The other side has done the exact same thing the other way around.
i think people are just mad that retail content is so boring, everytime i see the roadmap they reveal nothing interesting: new m+ season, new pvp season (both are the same, just farming the same items in higher ilvl), some heritage armor, some ingame events (that maybe you do for a couple weeks), maybe pvp or pve tournaments (not ingame related to us players, we just watch). There is a lack of new interesting content to keep you playing each patch. QUALITY OF LIFE CHANGES SHOULDN'T BE A PATCH FEATURE.
Blizzard is such a huge company, MAKES A LOT OF MONEY from microtransactions and suscriptions, and we see so little of that invested into the game is just sad and makes players mad, thats why there is such a love hate relationship between the comunity and the game.
So what do you want new from wow? A dating sim?😂 The new expansion with new quest and stuff is also coming im a year, that isnt something you can create in a few month. And btw. plunderstorm is a new thing so idk.
@@Artoran15 more stuff like plunderstorm ! again, blizzard has the money to develop more cool stuff, maybe more dungeons and raids, maybe new pvp game modes. seems kinda lazy to just threw a new m+ an pvp season. time between patches are so long bro, we need more stuff
@@Artoran15 maybe one of the many things ppl asked for for years like housing? or just more of the stuff ppl like wow for like dungeons, raids and pvp? also yeah more QoL changes, more cosmetic only content like magetower. simply more for all that money we give them every expansion (also getting more and more expensive every time)and not just the same amount or less than we got for the last 10 years. ah forgot to add: more balancing and talent tree reworks. continiue being a good blizzard loving sheep tho
@@tdrai4648 Wooow, we are just discussing things here and now you insult me as a sheep, yeah that adds something to tje matter. But i thought YOU said that is boring. I want a new Raid too btw. I dont rlly like S4 as it is. Thing is, if the Season is longer us mythic raiders have more time to get CE. So that is thing.
@@Artoran15 mythic raiders are just a low % of the playerbase, i used to raid for CE but i was logging only to raid. My point is, they should make more stuff that makes you play the game more consistently, maybe like plunderstorm. I believe we get so little for a game that has a suscription, expansions AND microtransactions.
I disagree. I don't like PvPing at all. I don't want to PvP, period. There's almost no pirate tmogs in WoW and then there's a dragonriding mount attached to it. That alone forced me into doing it. This week, was the worse week for Dragonflight yet. I had absolutely no fun playing the game after getting through all 40 reknown levels. What made it worse, after every session of Plunderstorm, I would be so frustrated that I didn't want to play retail WoW. I'm a Mythic+ player and do get my AOTC in. There's zero interest in ANY form of PvP at all. Nothing about Plunderstorm scratched any M+ or Raiding itch.
Plunderstorm would've been something decent, if it wasn't such a long grind to get all the collectable things from it. I hate PvPing. My friend circle hates PvPing. My guild almost entirely hates PvPing. If it was a 5, at most 10, reknown level grind for everything, that's one thing. A 40 level one, they deliberately dragged this out unnecessarily.
started up plunderstorm last wednesday thinking, OK we will suffer through world of fortnite for the cosmetics and nothing more, now I am renown 40 and back in wow and want to play plunderstorm more than wow lmao
As a Fortnite enjoyer, Plunderstorm is boring trash.
womp womp.
Dragonflight is the first expansion I played fully. For context, I played PVE only and managed to achieve cutting edge in S2 and S3 so I committed a lot of time to the game over the course of the expansion. My opinion on retail wow currently is that the amount of content, response time for bugs, response time for balance changes is pathetic considering how much money they it costs to play the game. After playing for the whole expansion cycle I kind of just feel insulted as a consumer...
As a PvEr who tried this - it doesn't have anything I want. It's just lame af.
Disclaimer: i have played retail since TBC, i collect mounts, i play all aspects of wow pvp and pve, BUT i hate plunderstorm its not my type of game play at all i tried it, Now for the kicker a couple of days ago i was spring cleaning my garden my 15 year old son asked to try it as i agree with others the sub attached to it is stupid he doesnt have a active wow sub, so i said sure crack on have a couple of hours, Well..... he absolutly loves plunderstorm when im not at my pc he is on school holidays atm in the uk and he sneaks on my pc and loves it, i did originally put a sarcastic comment on the wow youtube video for it but after seeing my son have so much fun i realized yeah the game ain't for me i cant stand it but its a me problem not the game my son opened up my eyes and reconsider my response to it (being a wow only player i/we seem to live in a little bubble where its wow and only wow anything different is wrong, me included), i wont play it once i get to renown 40 but my son probably will, he has even asked if he could pay for a sub just to play it out of his own pocket money which i am debating as i don't think he should.
I love that you get a chance to share the warcraft world with your son. That's amazing.
It's truly sad that having fun seems to just not cut it anymore, people need to moralize every decision Blizzard makes in order to even start to figure out if the product is fun or not, holy shit what a fucked up time to develop games, also imagine these people figuring out where their lithium batteries come from, yikes.
The problem with the crossover is you have to play an insane amount in Plunderstorm compared to how little you had to in the Hearthstone ones to get the goods in WoW proper. It’s a fine game, but it isn’t WoW and not what a majority of the community wanted out of it.
I deleted my Blizzard and Activision Account completely a few years ago, after almost 20 years of playing.
I never did regret it.
Do you need to do anything special to make a controller work? I’m a lefty gamer and WASD + PVP doesn’t work for me.
type this command into the chat: “/Console GamePadEnable 1“
Dude it is not wow it is a wow skin for Fortnite an PubG minded players. Collect X plunder and killl X NPCs while not getting ganked is not the same as RAID or a dungeon. I find this more likely to be an experiment on a mobile/console spinoff that they have been dying to have in their stable.
I'm starting to think it's the streamers/content creators that's the problem, unsubbed bye.
More vids like this man
Biggest problem with wow is that you can buy with irl money everything there is in the game. M+ boost arena rating boost raid clear carry. Blizz wont realize the volume of their non-official services market.
And why is that a problem? I dont use them, im Mythic Raiding myself, if someone fails or isnt good enogh with his class, you know that after a few pulls.
*the american side is the trash side, you dont see that kin of negativity anywhere else
As a CE raider and pvp HATER i really like plunderstorm. Maxed out its renown track by Saturday by actually playing it and even winning a few matches. In fact, going by total plunder collected, I'd almost be at renown 80 by now.
What makes Plunderstorm stand out is that it is (AFAIK) the first BR game that IS NOT a shooter.
It also came out at the perfect moment in the season cycle as there's nothing left to do except for reclears.
The only thing I dislike is the rng factor of spell drops from non-elite monsters. Sometimes you get 3 spells in your first 3 kills while sometimes you don't get any in 20 kills.
I'm sorry, i've been playing wow since day 1. I've done everything in the game to some degree. And plunderstorm is a piece of shit. I can't figure out all the big name PVE ppl acting like this is a good game mode. It's so awful. I love retail right now. I play the hell out of M+ and think the raids have been amazing in DF. But plunderstorm is a PILE OF SHIT. It's just not a good game at all.
Plunderstorm is what it is and it's not for me. If anyone likes it, more power to ya. you do you, boo.
People are genuinely crazy....... I just play the game if i want and drop it if i dont. Keep up the great vids Jimfro , miss ya man , also plunderstorm is FUCKIN SICK
The worst thing about Wow is the player base period. Bunch of whiny neckbeards
its Addiction nothing else.. try to mask it however u like but its just that. 13:50
vlizzard isnt the problem. the playerbase is. and its been this way for quite a while.
L take after L take. Then just stating things that are just wrong. Factually incorrect statements.
The complaining about season 4 bringing nothing new is getting real old and worn out. That's not the point of the season, but as the title says, the wow community is probably one of the most toxic out there
I think I disagree with everything you are saying. Good Luck with your channel.
totally fair argument
WoW community is not trash and it's not the worst on the Internet. Only blizz shills say that. On the other hand blizz devs are horrible with less and less imagination and more DEI and ESG bullet points.
no ones going to pick wow over other mmos in a vacuum. it has nothing to do with the community wows just dated as fuck and blizz doesn't care enough to update it at all. a MMO from 2003 looks better FFS
what? btw 7 million subs
@@christsatali9139 1. source? 2. those could very well be returning players (12 mil at peak)
the vocal minority is usually completely unhinged and chronically online. I've played WoW for over 17yrs and I've had a blast with the event(35 renown). hope you can grift off peoples emotions glhf
Nice to see you shilling for Blizz, too, mate. At least you're getting money out of your shit takes.
Stay with guides.
the fact that he and other „creators“ defend this BR as a new and fresh idea while also calling ppl toxic for not liking it is really funny. should have stayed with making guides but now I hope this channels gets cancled tbh
@@tdrai4648 You hope a channel gets canceled because they like a new fun game mode haha wtf
@@bog9915maybe try to read next time.
@@tdrai4648There's that plunderstorm event for streamers with money so...
you clearly identify as a tauren hunter IRL @@tdrai4648
Plunderstorm is fun for about 5 minutes, then it's just a boring as F reward grind.
There's no incentive to try and win. Gaining rep is far quicker by just getting to level 5 -7, doing the world quest and then running into the storm to die. Rinse and repeat.
As someone who raids and does mythics the issue with plunderstorm is the rewards are all cosmetic other than being able to buy some flight stones etc so if your not into mount collections or transmog collections for the trial of style or even pets it becomes there is no point to doing it.
The point of video games is to have fun?
Based on your punctuation your reply is in the form of a question, so I will respond. For those who enjoy the collectables mogs, mount, toys etc. getting them is fun, however a great majority of those players do not enjoy PVP in any form, as for the PVP players they by majority are hard core devoted to that activity which for them is fun and it has it's own in-game rewards in the form of gear. However as explained for those of us who progress thru the story lines, run instances and raids other than the ability to purchase things like flight stones there is nothing of interest so time spent vs reward is not there which is not fun. I personally have reached the point where I have cut my play time to minimum as for the past 3 month in the vault after running Mythic Instances and Heroic Raids I have had to settle for coins as a vault reward on 3 toons I consider mains. I've played since vanilla and this seems to becoming the norm in WOW for many players. @@sfarsitulumi
2:56 "Everything the game has. Just that wow combat. Loads of games tried to do that"
There are sooooooo many games that have better combat than WoW, lol. WoW is the best in other fields/topics, combat is not one of them.
What are you even talking about? For an MMO?? No sir. There aren’t “soooo” many games with better combat.