So,we will get french battleships in february 2019, one patch after the british navy got the first tech tree... Just after we got the russian battleships, CVs, second cruiser line, minelayers fishing trawlers and rubber duckies.
Oh, savage Rainbow Warrior reference, mate! New Zealanders like myself still get salty about that from time to time if it's brought up, but we've mostly gotten over it. Mostly.
To be fair to the French , they were limited by the Washington agreement about how many tons of war ships they could build. They therefore tried to build battleships like the Dunkerque which had heavy firepower but light tonnage and therefore reduced armor. This was more than enough to deal with German battle cruisers, but when Germany broke the agreement and started building more powerful ships it was seriously under armored.
The thing to remember about ships is that they are designed to fulfil a role in a fleet. As they are modelled fairly realistically in game, to play them well you should see what that nation intended with the design in the first place, over what classification they are given in that game, similar to the two destroyer schools of thought: stealth-torper vs mid-range gunboat. Not every ship brought into the game will fight the same way. Dunkerque is not a Warspite short-range brawler nor a Fuso long-range sniper. Dunkerque is a battle*cruiser*. She was designed to hunt and destroy enemy cruisers, NOT to go toe-to-toe with enemy battleships. So, she has cruiser speed, armour to protect her from those cruisers, and since she was expected to be chasing cruisers running for their lives from her 13"ers, all her main guns are forward. Granted, it's not always possible to have that scenario in-game. but playing her with this in mind will let you gain greater success with her. I like the Dunkerque. She's not shit. She's a different design that is supposed to be played differently to enable more variety in the game. If all you want is "another cool BB" then stay away. This ship is for specialists.
I am *not* talking about *simulator* realism. Obviously, the game has to be balanced to make it fun. For all the game mechanics on AP normalisation, penetration over distance, etc., this is still an arcade game. By "fairly realistically" I merely meant that she was moddelled as a battlecruiser and not a battleship. Dunkerque is NOT a battleship, despite her being in that tech line in WoWS. I see you make no comment on the actual point of my comment though, merely finding something you can nitpick and display your outrage at something not being made the way you want it made.
Jingles, I've been watching for a long time now (since before mingles with jingles and well before Chinese and Japanese tank came out on WoT) and I've always admired your commitment. You have pretty much put out a video a day for 3-4 years now (possibly longer) and k just want u to know that it's always so enjoyable to come onto RUclips and see a new video by u for me to enjoys watching, keep up the good work!
The secondaries on the Richelieu is even worse than the Dunkerque. More powerful, yes, but there is fewer of them and all is at the back, pointing towards the stern.
Jean Bart would be the better bet of the two Richelieu's, though Clemenceau and Gasgoigne would be interesting as half-sister variations on the design. Alsace would be a great Bismarck killer though.
The Dunkerques were pretty fine ship for their displacement. They were actually designed as BCs (so you're not far off that assessment, Jingles), but were re-labelled as "light battleships" in not a very different "political" decision to ,on-paper, make the french navy more powerful than what it was, than the Japanese move with the Kongos, which also were BCs and which also didn't deserve the Battleship label, not at least if we consider their actual armor protection. To be fair with the ship, however, they were intended to hunt Deutchlands and that they were able to do perfectly. And even with their light armor they didn't compare badly with Italian battleships other than the Littorios, which also were very lightly protected. Within their historical timeframe, they were very efficient designs for their displacement, and they were pretty well prepared to meet most of the likely opposition they would find. Strassbourg was Dunkerque's half-sister. I'm sure will be the "official line" tier 6 battleship for the french. As fast as the dunkerque, but significantly uparmoured (still far underpar though), shoud be an overall quite better ship (which honestly is a first, as it seems that all the premium "sisters" of historical ships are better than their "regular" counterparts, when it should be all the other way around, money should not give you access to a better ship than the one you can get by playing in a FTP game. But, well. Wargaming. And stuff).
Oh and BTW, 28 seconds main gun reload is extremely generous for the ship. Even being 330mm shells. French reload mechanisms weren't good, and specially underpar training and crew practice meant that even in training sometimes it would be minutes before a main gun was able to fire again (at least that happened to Richelieu in a practice, and the fleet standards weren't much better and the Dunkerques also suffered from quite serious rate of fire issues). Of course later on mechanisms and training improved but even then they never were very efficient designs in that sense.
Oh for the love of... Almost every damned nation has some silly stereotype leveled against them which people (generally) know not to take seriously. You are not special in this regard. I suspect very few of these individuals have any legitimate grievance or disrespect for France, and those that do are simply not worthy of your time anyway.
Started playing two days ago. Thanks to you and PHJ and DezGamez I didn't die until my 7th fight. Also knew how to fight the Emden I bought from your videos and how not to sail into tight channels and to wait for BB's out of sight on other side of Islands and torp them. Thanks so much. Some of us DO listen ;) Best Regards from the US.
Jingles, Why are ships "commissioned into service" a year (or more like this one) after they're launched? Since this is a comment im noticing with a lot of the ship reviews you do. As a man from Her Majesties Navy im presuming you'd know why they have to be commissioned into the navy (as who else are they going to be used by after being built and launched)
Good question. Navies like to make sure a ship mostly works as advertised before accepting them. After launching the ship needs to be fully crewed up, final equipment fits need to be installed and tested and the entire ship has to be put through extensive trials before being accepted for commission into the Navy.
+The Mighty Jingles With the exception of the Royal Navy, Jingles, me old pink gin swilling ship mate ;) Example: The entire Daring class of destroyers, now alongside in a Royal Naval Base near you! ;)
I hope that Jingles, as a navy man, will answer this himself. But if he does not, the reason is that ships are incredibly complex machines. Every system needs to be checked, every problem need to be fixed, and most of all, the crew needs to be trained and get experience, and learn how to run the ship. Also, any equipment that was not already installed at launch needs to be installed, tuned, and made ready for use. This is a process that is very time consuming, and this is the reason that there may be years between the first launch of a ship, and it's commisioning into service in the fleet.
@TheMightyJingles; I watched this vid when it came out, and was excited right away. Despite the review, I bought it; I think it was the first premium I purchased, aside from the buy-in for the closed beta. I came back to watch this again this evening, and had to post. At this point, I'm in the top 30 for number of plays on the NA server (between 800-900 matches at this point.) I'm approaching a 60% win rate it in. The reload buff just made it better. I honestly have to say, as a long time watcher, I respectfully suggest you underestimated the value of this ship when you first reviewed it. Love everything you do, please keep it up! Yours most sincerely...
Jingles, just wanted to say thank you. Why may you ask? well, after the video contest (and even though I never entered said contest) I started my very own World of Warships channel. (don't fret i shall not compete with you firstly because of your superior quality, and secondly 'cause the channel is aimed at the Spanish speaking population.) I sincerely wish you the very best, notwithstanding how my channel fairs. Kudos, and keep up the good work.
Marth667 well, its a fucking battleship. I hate Overpenetrating mechanic in this game. I mean, yea if BB hits destroyer shell will go through whole ship and exit on the other side but... shell will go through whole ship and exit on the other side !!!!!!!!! At least make BB's do minimal dmg of 3k or something to balance them out.
Ivan Buncic Id actually argue that its pretty balance right now, but yes I do agree that its stupid in some ways but again its an arcade game. Expect as much when playing the game. Dispersion on guns as the shell exits the gun and literally does a 20 degree turn and flies off as RNG determines. 'Magical' detonations that happen with out citadels being penned and are often caused by HE shells hitting you're funnels and BANG you die because wargaming. Fires are soooo fucking common, its like the decks are scrubbed with kerosene rather then water the list goes on
Personally we all know what could fix battleships hell most ships would be angle firing rather then mouse firing. Having to guestimate the range and then fire.. see where the shells land and then calculate the difference before they get zero'd in on the target would be ideal. Thats why I have hope for War Thunders - Knights of the sea expansion. For now there will be no battleships in game but ill take a more realistic naval war game over arcade games most of the time
Did anyone else notice, in the final moments of that last match, that the friendly destroyer started laying a smokescreen to keep our badly wounded Jingles from getting Molotov'd, even though it lost him the chance to get in range to launch torpedoes and ninja the kill?
+The Mighty Jingles How many years of your life did you spend serving in the Royal Navy, Jingles? I'm trying to convince a friend that you must know something about warships and that they should watch your WoWS videos for some useful information.
The Dunkerque is one of those ships that I wish survived the war and was now a museum ship, I was recently in Boston and I was on the USS Cassin Young and now I am hooked on Naval ship museums!
Awesome, this ship is the fine example of French war designs. Just like with French tanks, the bow plays the role of stern and the stern plays the role of bow. Dunkerque was designed to start the battle backward and cautiously advance towards the enemy, firing those little guns. As soon as the enemy is spotted, those mighty engines are reversed and the enemy is left on the battlefield totally confused and demoralised, seeing how French just totally ignored them and fled. I was wondering why are those powerful cannons facing the direction of retreat, but then it hit me. If this ship would be surrounded, the priority will be to shoot and destroy ships that are bloking the escape line! Genius!
Fuso also has bigger guns, more of them, better accuracy, better armour, and more HP, meaning that it can comfortably risk being spotted at the enemies' max range. Dunkerque? Not so much.
+HerrRoehrich. Dispersion isn't everything though. She's got a quad turret while the others have either twins or triples. Dunkerque's dispersion-per-barrel is the lowest of all 4 T6 battleships. And unlike the New Mexico and Fuso her sigma is also reportedly very good.
GintaPPE1000 Her turrets are both a blessing and a curse. Sure, being able to bring all guns to bear to the front is nice, but losing one turret halves her firepower, whereas losing a turret costs the others only 1/4 or 1/6 of their respective punches. The few pros she has (frontal field of fire, accuracy, speed) just can't make up for all the major cons (lack of armor, size, crappy secondaries/AA, sluggishness, non-existent firepower to the rear, small caliber), imho.
+Lordluigi56 wow, someone is salty because another nation came to their aid, and had to retreat. Why didn't the French try to fight on their own then? Haha
The french navy had 4 options that were all better than cowardice and stupidity. They didn't choose any of them. Could have left them in a neutral port, instead of joining the British to fight the people that invaded their country, chose to be ignorant and stuck up and paid for their stupidity.
you must have missed the "and be in violation of the treaty" part. They were trying to keep parts of France french (keep in mind that i don't think the Germans would have let that stand for any extended amount of time. They were up against the clock for when the Germans would violate the treaty themselves).
1tiercel america had a choice. Japan didnt have any friends nor any supplies. No factories to make new ships, tanks etc. They could just put an embargo against them and wait until they starve to death
Nelson class have similar design however a lot bigger guns (406mm) and one more of them, a lot more armor (up to 356mm) and a lot heavier AA defence 6x8 and 4x4 40mm AA. Secondary guns are 6 x 120 + 8 x 150 mm. So all in all it looks a lot like Dunkerque, only made properly. I would really like to see Nelson in game.
To a degree, I feel WG not including Strasbourg in the French BB tech tree was a blessing in disguise because it got me to finally buy Dunkerque after over a year of waiting on it. I absolutely love the ship because of its ability to shift angling from port to starboard while also still being able to maximize firepower the whole time (assuming I'm facing the enemy).
Nobody is going to believe that a high school dropout knows how to identify french rifles. But hey, people who believe reading the back of breakfast cereals boxes is a substitute for going to school have to make money somehow, too, right?
jingles overlord of the world and saltmines your loyal underling has found some intresting news far down in the saltmines gajin entertainment has snekt in somme iformation about upcoming ships. I thought you as former overlord of the sea might want to now this. And now im going back to the saltmines to work.
+ave ave pretty much one of the bigger WT youtubers out up a video showing a cheater in the game on youtube which gaijin dont like and ban videos that show the game in any kind of negative light on their own website and put a copy right strike to the youtube vid and got it taken down saying the video and responded to the community asking WTF with that the hack was relativly small and because of the vid the hack became bigger and something they needed to deal with and then they told the community to flag all vids that show game exploits and bugs on youtube with copyright strikes. This also was the CEO of Gaijin telling everyone this
Finally! A game in which we can have the entirety of the Royal New Zealand Navy - Slightly modified offshore patrol boats that don't do jack shit apart from getting in the way of ferries near Devonport!
MedievalChicken But that's not all, folks! The Royal New Zealand Navy's maximum ship count for the past several years has been a grand total of - wait for it - 11 SHIPS!!! ERMAGERD!!! AMAZING!!! If a foreign nation decides to invade, to put it lightly, we're ABSOLUTELY FUCKED!!! RIGHT UP THE ARSE!!!
Did anyone else notice that the Cleveland incapacitated one of the turrets at 25:02? While not unheard of, it is an extremely rare thing with cruiser HE... and yet here we have a Cleveland doing it to turrets pointed at it. That's bad armour and then some.
No, it shows that they are selling many of the ships produced, even this one. Take a racing game for example, you always get slow pieces of shit that no one likes...but it adds to the game.
It may not be a good ship. But its still a very cool ship. Prem tanks in WoT are vastly inferior to the same tanks at their BR most of the time. But they are still cool tanks that make you money and xp. What im saying is i dont think prem ships are generally meant to compete with same BR. Tirpitz and that Russian thing excluded.
The reason they are "worse than other tanks of the same tier" is because you get that extra exp and money (plus the ability to accelerate the training of your tank crews). It's a trade off.
Thank you Jingles for featuring this ship. Your critiques on the Dunkerque is consice and very good. However, I being a french national, mon ami, I will buy it for the sake of 'histoire de'. It is indeed a big battle cruiser that is called a battleship. It's all about breaking wind higher than one's ass... It's all about fighting with what one has... Cheers mate!
I just got the ship. I love it, Guns are great.. So far I have managed to citadel a fuso at max range 3x, Citadel a WARSPITE at mid range. When I had to run away in a brawl my secondaries melted an atlanta and 2 other cruisers.. Those rear facing secondaries are amazing. That was my first game in her
Well the armour belt was sloped 21 degrees something not modeled and was 240mm over vitals and tapering to 140mm at the ends. AA was good for the time it was in commission and was never upgraded as all active ships were. This is a nerfed cartoon of the original and as expected from WG.The only other thing is STOP using millimetres for gun size they mean nothing. There 13" guns. Warspite had 15" guns as did Bismark, Hood and Bayern. Fuso 14" guns. Please use imperial measurements even today the RN define there main guns as 4/5 for 4.5".
They use mm because they're Russian and all of Europe uses the metric system. (The Royal Navy still uses inch designations for guns as a matter of tradition.)
but he's reading this off to a modern society, many members of which don't quite grasp the transition between imperial and metric. Hence, since the largest portion of his audience is European, and a clear majority use the metric system, he reads the measurements in metric and throws in some imperial every now and then to sate the Americans in the crowd ('Murica represent).
::reads the parenthisied comment and vomits:: Dear god I wish people would stop saying that.. spoken like a truly ignorant buffoon with no self respect or dignity. I am American and I cannot believe the ignorant dribble that comes out out the mouths and minds of my fellow Americans.
When one is making videos on the internet and one knows the viewer base is mostly from countries that use metric measurements.. you speak in metric terms... If it's that important to you, open another tab and use google to do the conversion... or learn the conversions for your self.
I just finished watching Random Acts of Violence and I was just about to go to bed at 3 in the morning....then this came out. GG Jingles, promoting insomnia since whenever
this is most french story behind a ship, it sails around, refuses to fight for allies, gets damaged, sets of fire a couple times and then the french blow it up.... thanks for the statue of liberty
I actually just bought myself a Dunkerque, and I've gotten a few matches in it. While Jingles is right about the ship, I should point out that it does make a good 'prep ship' if you're preparing to go into the American Fast Battleships (North Carolina and Iowa), minus the third turret, and better Secondaries, the ships do seem to play similarly in the regard of "Keep your front towards the enemy at all times. Ergo, if you can somehow make the Dunkerque work for you, then you shouldn't have issues in the North Carolina or Iowa. All of that said however, It does serve the purpose of getting a French Captain ready for when the French Navy does eventually come into the game. And it does seem to do well at raking in credits and Exp (ofc, it is a premium ship after all). What is funny however, is that these ships aren't that common, so odds are, if you play it right, you will most likely be going up against players that don't know how to adequately attack this ship. Not a guarantee of course, but it is something you can help you make the ship work for you.
+Tom New please stop before you hurt yourself. For some reason you forget that the british then FIRED on said ships killing 1200ish french sailors who had no real say in the matter. THAT, my friend is 'treachery'. There is no telling what the Germans would have done following such an act. Kill a million french citizens just to make a point? you do remember who was in charge of the Nazis at the time dont you?
And yet, the french resistance in europe, the free french and the french colonies that continued fighting throughout the entire war never rang a bell for you. They also participated in the D Day landings. You also forget: The British Blunder and surrender of 100 000 troops in singapore 1942 The retreat of Dunkirk by the British (and French) The US surrender in the Phillipines of 140 000 ish troops Britain was (thankfully) never invaded as such and neither was the US. Russia MAY have surrendered if Germany had taken Moscow, but it didnt happen. (Again, thankfully)
Hi Jingles! Love your Videos, ESPECIALLY your laugh, so damned unique hahaha. Looking forward to the Dunkerque, regardless if bad or not, I've NEVER been this excited for something French.
technically the two ships of this class were battlecruisers really, designed to be fast and fight 11in armed pocket battleships and smaller battlecruisers of the Italian Navy.. She suffers against anything with larger than 12in main guns, thus in WOWs she really is outclassed against BBs, needs to be driven like a super cruiser against cruisers..but no matter what you do it will be a struggle however, she just was not designed to go toe to toe against Nagato or Bismarck etc.
personally I love my dunkurque, I almost always get 2 kills per game in it and survive most of my wins in it. the reason people hate it so much is because they don't play it right. for the first half the match you use it's amazing gun velocity to snipe from long range, than as soon as you see an oppertu it presenting itself you rush full speed at a weak point in the enemy fleet and lead a push through, a full speed dunkurque backed up by destroyers and cruisers in a hard thing to stop, and if used right you can solo push an entire map side
I have something to say about the turning radius, normally when things go fast they need bigger turning circles due to physics(centrifugal force) The NC has a big turning radius on paper, but when in actual battle I'm still able to turn quite tightly if slow the ship down. And if physics actually applies to the game, then one may find that slow top speed ships tend to have small turning radius, which I think is actually the case. That's my opinion, what do you captains think?
So in order to make a fair comparison, shouldn't the radius be measured when all ships are turning at equal speed?(Assuming the stats given in dock were measured when sailing at top speed)
Actually before the new Update dropped, i was running the AA/Secondary build on commander, and my main gun upgrades, and those secondaries have saved me COUNTLESS times from enemy DDs and hunting cruisers is my favorite pastime in this ship, right alongside setting everything on fire when an enemy gets too close (his mistake). And my AA could actually contend with enemy t5-6 planes, while the EDGE on the bow told enemy AP rounds to piss off.
Providing you maneuver at the right time in the right situation, secondaries are among the best at tier 6, they blow destroyers out of the water in seconds with twelve packed 130 mm guns. AA is just enough when completely speced to repell lower tier CVs attacks and bow armor can bounce up to 356 mm AP shells. Xhen facing higher caliber, the armor is just enough, if angled to not being citadelled by 380 mm shells even if they overmatch the bow. Distance can help you too, against German BBs specially who tend to be terribley inaccurate at range. Unfortunately, against 406 mm and higher you're gonna get loled penned from pretty much every angle in this ship, my biggest fear isn't Warspite or even Bismarck, but Nagato, Colorado, North Carolina and Amagi. The exception is Scharnhorst with only 283 mm shells you're pretyy much immune to her AP shells providing you don't give broadside, ahtought superstructures are gonna eat some big shots. So provided you use the ship as it can be used you can do fairly well in it.
Hey Jingles. after going over the stats of the Dunkirk and Strasburg. I would place them either as Battlecruisers like you said or very large cruiser killers. there stats over all don't make them true battleships. unless your going by main gun size.
Jingles for BB reviews(especially premium BB reviews, since people are spending real money/dubloons) I feel you should also include discussion of the sigma and fire resistance stats. If you're really keen, you can also mention things like the turret HP, damage control duration and cooldown, etc.
@Jingles: you know what makes 0 sense to me? you said the 4 guns on one turret greatly affects the accuracy of the cannon right next to it. that makes perfect sense, but only if one gun fires after another. if all 4 guns fire simultaneously, then they should all land in the same general spot. but instead, as far as I can tell, the guns act as if though they were fired off in sequence regardless if you fire a salvo or not. which doesn't seem accurate. it could be a balancing factor, I don't actually play WOWS. but this is the observation I've made, and I feel like it could use some revising. less accuracy when guns are fired in sequence, more accuracy when firing a salvo.
What I have noticed about this ship, is that has very high shell velocity and as we all know from Wot and real world shit, higher velocity tends to mean higher penetration, so in my opinion this will do better in higher tier battles. Now that's sounds insane from what jingles is saying about it, but if you think about it is makes sense because most ships in the higher tiers will have much greater armor. Perfect example of what I mean is how he was getting better results when he was shooting the angled side of the Cleveland whatever the effectiveness of that armor was at that angle, because when he shot the Cleveland from the direct side he got a citadel and a bunch of over pens. So thus making this ships armor piercing capabilities of this very very good at shooting at thick sided warships rather than thinly armored ones.
I expect the RN Rodney/Nelson BBs, if they make the lineup, will have that same secondary problem, Jingles... main 16" guns all forward, 6" secondaries all aft! Interesting configuration to say the least.
Dunkerque's turrets were actually subdivided in the middle, with each side of the turret controlling two of the 13" guns. Thus, if one side of the turret was knocked out, the other could keep firing, and this did in fact happen. Is that reflected in the game?
Thank you for presenting her story in such a non-biased way Jingles. Most people always think that accepting the British ultimatum was the "obvious" option, but back in 1940, most people in France (and Europe) expected the UK to go down or at least be forced to a white peace. The US were after all still firmly neutral and nobody took the Russian seriously after the disaster of the Russo-Japanese war and Purges. Without the gift of hindsight, refusal was the most logical choice since breaking the armistice would have had dire consequences for the country. The French also did not expect the Royal Navy to actually open fire on them, people have to remember that after the establishment of the Entente Cordiale, it was common practice for French and British navy officers to perform joint exercises, which means that most of the navy brass knew eachother. Churchill's decision caused quite an uproar amongst the British admiralty, especially since their French counterpart would ultimately stay true to their word. It always irks me to see people throwing a fuss about the French fleet scuttling and yet completely ignore or glorify the scuttling of the german imperial fleet at the end of WW1. The double standards are real.
Sacre Bleu ! Enfin une flotte de navires Français ! And yes we, Frenchies, didn't really fight during the World War 2 we all know that opinion from the rest of the World bla bla bla... But our ships are kind of glorious don't they ? By the way Jingles, i love what you do and please never change ! Long live the Master of the Salt Mines ! With love from a Frenchie ;)
I'm drawn to unique BBs in WoWS and so I bought this ship today. Its a fun ship and I only recommend it for experienced BB captains. I've seen many other Dunker captains expose their full hull today, they didn't last :)
Hey Jingles, I found this game nobody knows about called "From the Depths"... Terrible name, great game. The best way to describe it might be World of Warships meets space engineers. You can build massive battleships, cruisers, or even submarines, airships and spaceships then have them duke it out. Might be worth taking a look at, I have really enjoyed it and I think you might too.
Nice one Jingle's.....That was a surprise, wasn't expecting the Dunkerque into the game....thanks bud and have a good weekend....I'm going clubbing in my Akansas Beta for a while...
Hey Jingles... Since WOW is adding the Dunkerque, do think any of these could be added to help flesh out the Frog's.. er French tech tree? Cruiser Edgar Quinet (1911) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_Edgar_Quinet Destroyer Enseigne Roux (1915) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_destroyer_Enseigne_Roux Cruiser Duguay-Trouin (1926) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_Duguay-Trouin Destroyer Chacal (1920) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_destroyer_Chacal Cruiser Suffren (1930) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_Suffren
The attack on Mers el Kiber. Likely one of the greatest military blunders of the war. It insured that many French Military men and Civilians would stay loyal to Petain, and for many French the wounds of what happened have not completely healed from what I've read. Despite how much the British say it was necessary, records from the French and even Germans make it obvious that one the Germans didn't want the Ships, and the French had no plans on letting them have the ships even if they tried. Captains had orders to leave ports, and if they couldn't they were to scuttle their ships if the Germans tried to take them by force.
I saw some detailed stats of her and her Sigma value (related to gun accuracy;higher the better) is 1.7, unlike other t6 BB's 1.8. And it feels more like shotgun due to Quadruple turrets
any ideas as to when or if WOW will introduce the Vittorio Veneto? Maybe they could make the Deutschland class "Pocket" battleship or, for that matter, give birth to the german carrier, Graf Zepplin. Obviously, they have a great deal of material to work with, but those are some of the ships I'd like to see in the game.
On another note, I think you shouldn't fire AP shells at cruisers with the Dunkerque unless they give your their broadside. That being said... what is the fire chance of the 330mm HE shell? Is the muzzle velocity the same or lower than the AP shells? If it's lower, it might be that HE salvos from the main guns have less dispersion problems than AP salvos. Has anyone noticed anything regarding this while driving the Dunkerque? Also, wait a minute, 29 knots?! The Dunkerque made 31 knots in real life!
So,we will get french battleships in february 2019, one patch after the british navy got the first tech tree...
Just after we got the russian battleships, CVs, second cruiser line, minelayers fishing trawlers and rubber duckies.
Still waiting for the german u-boot tech tree ;)
+MegaGimmler Subs arent in WoWS, sorry
U-boote are not going to happen
You forgot to add unarmed Greenpeace boats for the French to sink!
Oh, savage Rainbow Warrior reference, mate! New Zealanders like myself still get salty about that from time to time if it's brought up, but we've mostly gotten over it. Mostly.
To be fair to the French , they were limited by the Washington agreement about how many tons of war ships they could build. They therefore tried to build battleships like the Dunkerque which had heavy firepower but light tonnage and therefore reduced armor. This was more than enough to deal with German battle cruisers, but when Germany broke the agreement and started building more powerful ships it was seriously under armored.
Jingles I love your historical stories be it ships, tanks, or heroic people. Dooo more
I get the impression those secondaries are more meant to defend the ship against small ships flanking it, something that does not happen in the game.
Yeah, considering Dunkerque is always in the map border.
Well, those sneaky destroyers might try to...
You know, there are quite some players that like to gamble.
It does look lie the two side-rear quads could get ALMOST forward facing shots.
The thing to remember about ships is that they are designed to fulfil a role in a fleet. As they are modelled fairly realistically in game, to play them well you should see what that nation intended with the design in the first place, over what classification they are given in that game, similar to the two destroyer schools of thought: stealth-torper vs mid-range gunboat.
Not every ship brought into the game will fight the same way. Dunkerque is not a Warspite short-range brawler nor a Fuso long-range sniper.
Dunkerque is a battle*cruiser*. She was designed to hunt and destroy enemy cruisers, NOT to go toe-to-toe with enemy battleships. So, she has cruiser speed, armour to protect her from those cruisers, and since she was expected to be chasing cruisers running for their lives from her 13"ers, all her main guns are forward.
Granted, it's not always possible to have that scenario in-game. but playing her with this in mind will let you gain greater success with her.
I like the Dunkerque. She's not shit. She's a different design that is supposed to be played differently to enable more variety in the game. If all you want is "another cool BB" then stay away. This ship is for specialists.
" As they are modelled fairly realistically in game"wow stop,the armor is not even right,no no no it's not realistic in any way.
I am *not* talking about *simulator* realism. Obviously, the game has to be balanced to make it fun. For all the game mechanics on AP normalisation, penetration over distance, etc., this is still an arcade game.
By "fairly realistically" I merely meant that she was moddelled as a battlecruiser and not a battleship. Dunkerque is NOT a battleship, despite her being in that tech line in WoWS.
I see you make no comment on the actual point of my comment though, merely finding something you can nitpick and display your outrage at something not being made the way you want it made.
Jingles, I've been watching for a long time now (since before mingles with jingles and well before Chinese and Japanese tank came out on WoT) and I've always admired your commitment. You have pretty much put out a video a day for 3-4 years now (possibly longer) and k just want u to know that it's always so enjoyable to come onto RUclips and see a new video by u for me to enjoys watching, keep up the good work!
they should include french battleship Richelieu in the game! Boy would that be a beast!
Hopefully there will eventually be a full French line, and an Italian one. The Littorio class battleships would be a treat to play too.
yeah, I'm hoping for it too
The secondaries on the Richelieu is even worse than the Dunkerque. More powerful, yes, but there is fewer of them and all is at the back, pointing towards the stern.
Jean Bart would be the better bet of the two Richelieu's, though Clemenceau and Gasgoigne would be interesting as half-sister variations on the design. Alsace would be a great Bismarck killer though.
I assume you mean the post war version of Jean Bart? And not the as designed, which was the same as Richelieu.
Who won the Tour de France in 1940 ? German Panzer divisions *badumtsss*
HEYO!!
Tour de france started in the year 1986
+Jakub Poturnaj do you hate jokes?
1903 actually
It started in 1903 your on the internet, use it.
I'm going to call this one claymore...
"Front towards enemy"
Weird how they didn't put the two turrets at the back of the ship...
The ship probably reverses faster than it goes forwards anyway
1806 best year :P
Wow I didn't realise I'm early too
It was because of the Washington Treaty limitations.
paillettecnc Which limited the ship to under 100 000 tons or something?
Yes but not for France which only had a 70 000 tons limit granted by the London Treaty.
The Dunkerques were pretty fine ship for their displacement. They were actually designed as BCs (so you're not far off that assessment, Jingles), but were re-labelled as "light battleships" in not a very different "political" decision to ,on-paper, make the french navy more powerful than what it was, than the Japanese move with the Kongos, which also were BCs and which also didn't deserve the Battleship label, not at least if we consider their actual armor protection.
To be fair with the ship, however, they were intended to hunt Deutchlands and that they were able to do perfectly. And even with their light armor they didn't compare badly with Italian battleships other than the Littorios, which also were very lightly protected. Within their historical timeframe, they were very efficient designs for their displacement, and they were pretty well prepared to meet most of the likely opposition they would find.
Strassbourg was Dunkerque's half-sister. I'm sure will be the "official line" tier 6 battleship for the french. As fast as the dunkerque, but significantly uparmoured (still far underpar though), shoud be an overall quite better ship (which honestly is a first, as it seems that all the premium "sisters" of historical ships are better than their "regular" counterparts, when it should be all the other way around, money should not give you access to a better ship than the one you can get by playing in a FTP game. But, well. Wargaming. And stuff).
Oh and BTW, 28 seconds main gun reload is extremely generous for the ship. Even being 330mm shells. French reload mechanisms weren't good, and specially underpar training and crew practice meant that even in training sometimes it would be minutes before a main gun was able to fire again (at least that happened to Richelieu in a practice, and the fleet standards weren't much better and the Dunkerques also suffered from quite serious rate of fire issues). Of course later on mechanisms and training improved but even then they never were very efficient designs in that sense.
Always nice to watch your videos, I like how you give the history of the ship before reviewing it.
When you were reversing I was waiting for someone in chat to point out the French ship beating a 'tactical withdrawl'
That would be a "tactical advance to the rear"...
Mewiel Pardon me, but my Grandmother was born in France and lived in a French border town up until the beginning of WW2.
Mewiel I didn't mention the French Army.
Oh for the love of...
Almost every damned nation has some silly stereotype leveled against them which people (generally) know not to take seriously.
You are not special in this regard.
I suspect very few of these individuals have any legitimate grievance or disrespect for France, and those that do are simply not worthy of your time anyway.
You see.. the people who make these jokes understand its a joke, Therefor they don't give a shit about facts.
Started playing two days ago. Thanks to you and PHJ and DezGamez I didn't die until my 7th fight. Also knew how to fight the Emden I bought from your videos and how not to sail into tight channels and to wait for BB's out of sight on other side of Islands and torp them. Thanks so much. Some of us DO listen ;) Best Regards from the US.
Jingles,
Why are ships "commissioned into service" a year (or more like this one) after they're launched? Since this is a comment im noticing with a lot of the ship reviews you do. As a man from Her Majesties Navy im presuming you'd know why they have to be commissioned into the navy (as who else are they going to be used by after being built and launched)
Good question. Navies like to make sure a ship mostly works as advertised before accepting them. After launching the ship needs to be fully crewed up, final equipment fits need to be installed and tested and the entire ship has to be put through extensive trials before being accepted for commission into the Navy.
+The Mighty Jingles With the exception of the Royal Navy, Jingles, me old pink gin swilling ship mate ;) Example: The entire Daring class of destroyers, now alongside in a Royal Naval Base near you! ;)
Love it rear admiral.... but what can be done to save WOT from itself? I love playing and you got me started just a few months ago....
I hope that Jingles, as a navy man, will answer this himself. But if he does not, the reason is that ships are incredibly complex machines. Every system needs to be checked, every problem need to be fixed, and most of all, the crew needs to be trained and get experience, and learn how to run the ship. Also, any equipment that was not already installed at launch needs to be installed, tuned, and made ready for use. This is a process that is very time consuming, and this is the reason that there may be years between the first launch of a ship, and it's commisioning into service in the fleet.
yeah launching doesn't mean the ship's finished, just that it'll float.
the little history lessons at the start of the videos are so good, i really enjoy watching your videos jingles
Jingles can you do an USS Arizona review?
Yes please! Been waiting for one since it arrived back in July!
+1 we know it is a NM but I enjoy the Jingles ship history
+11bravo 01A It's not a NM... Arizona is a Pennsylvania
+Nathan Peterson Basically a slightly worse NM because Penn was the class directly before NM
I understand it is a Penn class BB but if you look at the stats there almost the same ship in WOWs
@TheMightyJingles; I watched this vid when it came out, and was excited right away. Despite the review, I bought it; I think it was the first premium I purchased, aside from the buy-in for the closed beta. I came back to watch this again this evening, and had to post. At this point, I'm in the top 30 for number of plays on the NA server (between 800-900 matches at this point.) I'm approaching a 60% win rate it in. The reload buff just made it better. I honestly have to say, as a long time watcher, I respectfully suggest you underestimated the value of this ship when you first reviewed it. Love everything you do, please keep it up! Yours most sincerely...
*Cough* Actually Jingles every naval ship has it's own post box so it could essentially be classed as it's own post code, Jingles? *dies from gunshot*
Someone doesn't get sarcasm...
Apart from the new tier 10 german battleship, that has one has two.
And a Nimitz carrier has three :)
Lets have a langlee race :D
Lets who will have snipers in position the fastest also how dare it be french with no auto loader
Battleship guns are all autoloaded past the 1920s. No human could manhandle half-tonne+ shells.
Jingles, just wanted to say thank you.
Why may you ask? well, after the video contest (and even though I never entered said contest) I started my very own World of Warships channel. (don't fret i shall not compete with you firstly because of your superior quality, and secondly 'cause the channel is aimed at the Spanish speaking population.)
I sincerely wish you the very best, notwithstanding how my channel fairs.
Kudos, and keep up the good work.
They seriously need to make battleship guns more consistent.
Nah uh. Its wargaming mate. Need to make it arcade-y otherwise battleships would be killing shit left right and centre
Marth667 well, its a fucking battleship. I hate Overpenetrating mechanic in this game.
I mean, yea if BB hits destroyer shell will go through whole ship and exit on the other side but... shell will go through whole ship and exit on the other side !!!!!!!!!
At least make BB's do minimal dmg of 3k or something to balance them out.
The problem is RNG dependence over aiming skill. Unless that changes, there is no possible way to balance them
Ivan Buncic Id actually argue that its pretty balance right now, but yes I do agree that its stupid in some ways but again its an arcade game. Expect as much when playing the game. Dispersion on guns as the shell exits the gun and literally does a 20 degree turn and flies off as RNG determines. 'Magical' detonations that happen with out citadels being penned and are often caused by HE shells hitting you're funnels and BANG you die because wargaming. Fires are soooo fucking common, its like the decks are scrubbed with kerosene rather then water the list goes on
Personally we all know what could fix battleships hell most ships would be angle firing rather then mouse firing. Having to guestimate the range and then fire.. see where the shells land and then calculate the difference before they get zero'd in on the target would be ideal. Thats why I have hope for War Thunders - Knights of the sea expansion. For now there will be no battleships in game but ill take a more realistic naval war game over arcade games most of the time
Did anyone else notice, in the final moments of that last match, that the friendly destroyer started laying a smokescreen to keep our badly wounded Jingles from getting Molotov'd, even though it lost him the chance to get in range to launch torpedoes and ninja the kill?
+The Mighty Jingles
How many years of your life did you spend serving in the Royal Navy, Jingles? I'm trying to convince a friend that you must know something about warships and that they should watch your WoWS videos for some useful information.
22 years.
Cheers, Jingles!
+The Mighty Jingles would you recommend the naval service more specifically the submarine service??
Do you find it humorous that you were a sailor for a longer period of time than many of your viewers have been alive?
now you have 22 likes, 1 for every year :P
The Dunkerque is one of those ships that I wish survived the war and was now a museum ship, I was recently in Boston and I was on the USS Cassin Young and now I am hooked on Naval ship museums!
Awesome, this ship is the fine example of French war designs. Just like with French tanks, the bow plays the role of stern and the stern plays the role of bow. Dunkerque was designed to start the battle backward and cautiously advance towards the enemy, firing those little guns. As soon as the enemy is spotted, those mighty engines are reversed and the enemy is left on the battlefield totally confused and demoralised, seeing how French just totally ignored them and fled. I was wondering why are those powerful cannons facing the direction of retreat, but then it hit me. If this ship would be surrounded, the priority will be to shoot and destroy ships that are bloking the escape line! Genius!
Love the style combing historic fact and game stats.
16.5 isn't as bad as the 19km detection range of the Fuso though
Sure, but at the most time, if you fire at the Fuso, the fuso has the range to Fire back.
So does the Dunkerque 18km firing range.
Fuso also has bigger guns, more of them, better accuracy, better armour, and more HP, meaning that it can comfortably risk being spotted at the enemies' max range. Dunkerque? Not so much.
+HerrRoehrich. Dispersion isn't everything though. She's got a quad turret while the others have either twins or triples. Dunkerque's dispersion-per-barrel is the lowest of all 4 T6 battleships. And unlike the New Mexico and Fuso her sigma is also reportedly very good.
GintaPPE1000
Her turrets are both a blessing and a curse. Sure, being able to bring all guns to bear to the front is nice, but losing one turret halves her firepower, whereas losing a turret costs the others only 1/4 or 1/6 of their respective punches. The few pros she has (frontal field of fire, accuracy, speed) just can't make up for all the major cons (lack of armor, size, crappy secondaries/AA, sluggishness, non-existent firepower to the rear, small caliber), imho.
One thing I like about you Jingles is that if you see something that's crap, you will call it crap. Thanks for not being biased with WG.
never been this earlier before I heard Jingles responds to early comments is this true?
its possible. im pretty sure he picks at random
So you're saying there's still a chance
nope.
+The Mighty Jingles damn
you just made my day!!! Thanks.
Jingles.... You're the best. You uploaded a video of my favourite ship on my birthday. Thank you!!!!
I was there since BohemianEagle
I was there too! High five!
lol I subscribed like a day before he changed his name and it confused the hell outta me :'D
Mrsirr Yeah when I saw that he changed his name in the sub box I was like *gasp* :O
yup bohemianeagleclub
Same.
Grateful for the nice historical information; you do it very, very well, MJ --- better than anyone else I'm aware of in WoT.
Why do the French Roads have trees on either side?
So invading armies can march in the shade.
lol
lol
Jingles - I adore your historical narrative. Thank you.
they should include a nice new white flag with the ship
so original.
Oh I see that you know Dunkirk? When the brits run away and the 1st french army saved them...
+Lordluigi56 wow, someone is salty because another nation came to their aid, and had to retreat. Why didn't the French try to fight on their own then? Haha
touché
I guess you didn't watch the video before posting, like the good little school drop-out you are. Education is for sissies, right?
Jingles should do a series where he does documentaries on old battleships and war stories. I could listen to it for hours.
So the French fought hard to sink their own ships? Hmmmm
Better than giving them to the Germans. Just remember Scapa Flow
The french navy had 4 options that were all better than cowardice and stupidity. They didn't choose any of them. Could have left them in a neutral port, instead of joining the British to fight the people that invaded their country, chose to be ignorant and stuck up and paid for their stupidity.
The U.S probably ad the most choice in the war, next to russia and britain.
you must have missed the "and be in violation of the treaty" part. They were trying to keep parts of France french (keep in mind that i don't think the Germans would have let that stand for any extended amount of time. They were up against the clock for when the Germans would violate the treaty themselves).
1tiercel america had a choice. Japan didnt have any friends nor any supplies. No factories to make new ships, tanks etc. They could just put an embargo against them and wait until they starve to death
Nelson class have similar design however a lot bigger guns (406mm) and one more of them, a lot more armor (up to 356mm) and a lot heavier AA defence 6x8 and 4x4 40mm AA. Secondary guns are 6 x 120 + 8 x 150 mm. So all in all it looks a lot like Dunkerque, only made properly. I would really like to see Nelson in game.
So no armour and it can't hit anything at longer (or even closer) ranges. Sounds terrible.
great battle Jingles , was a pleasure to see you in action .
Do a video on the war thunder ships!
*boats
He won't do videos on any Gaijin products.
He quit doing warthunder videos
Night Train123
No, Gaijin are scumbags.
Night Train123
WG doesn't censor people using the YT-copyright system.
To a degree, I feel WG not including Strasbourg in the French BB tech tree was a blessing in disguise because it got me to finally buy Dunkerque after over a year of waiting on it. I absolutely love the ship because of its ability to shift angling from port to starboard while also still being able to maximize firepower the whole time (assuming I'm facing the enemy).
FOR SALE One job lot of French rifles, circa 1940. Never fired and only dropped once! :p
Nobody is going to believe that a high school dropout knows how to identify french rifles. But hey, people who believe reading the back of breakfast cereals boxes is a substitute for going to school have to make money somehow, too, right?
+Oliver H Huh? Is English a new language to you ? It's a WELL KNOWN joke! And FYI - I have a PhD ;)
+Oliver H ... what
Well known, yes. Funny, no.
+Evilmike42 True. If there were Olympic medals for surrendering, it'd be neck and neck for gold, between the French and Italians ;)
I miss Wows videos like this. These detailed reviews are incredible.
jingles overlord of the world and saltmines your loyal underling has found some intresting news far down in the saltmines gajin entertainment has snekt in somme iformation about upcoming ships. I thought you as former overlord of the sea might want to now this. And now im going back to the saltmines to work.
Due to some not so recent despicable acts from Gaijin entertainment jingles sais he wont be doing anything more in WT
+hunter4760 what did they do?
+ave ave they became communists, and copyright all content that has criticism of them.
+ave ave pretty much one of the bigger WT youtubers out up a video showing a cheater in the game on youtube which gaijin dont like and ban videos that show the game in any kind of negative light on their own website and put a copy right strike to the youtube vid and got it taken down saying the video and responded to the community asking WTF with that the hack was relativly small and because of the vid the hack became bigger and something they needed to deal with and then they told the community to flag all vids that show game exploits and bugs on youtube with copyright strikes. This also was the CEO of Gaijin telling everyone this
J t'aime Le Dunkerque. It's so nice to have a fast battleship that can be everywhere, and carries some formidable guns.
Shit im early.
dont worry no im early jokes.
i got one. world of warplanes
War Thunder boats
Finally! A game in which we can have the entirety of the Royal New Zealand Navy - Slightly modified offshore patrol boats that don't do jack shit apart from getting in the way of ferries near Devonport!
HA! love it
MedievalChicken But that's not all, folks! The Royal New Zealand Navy's maximum ship count for the past several years has been a grand total of - wait for it - 11 SHIPS!!!
ERMAGERD!!! AMAZING!!! If a foreign nation decides to invade, to put it lightly, we're ABSOLUTELY FUCKED!!! RIGHT UP THE ARSE!!!
Did anyone else notice that the Cleveland incapacitated one of the turrets at 25:02? While not unheard of, it is an extremely rare thing with cruiser HE... and yet here we have a Cleveland doing it to turrets pointed at it. That's bad armour and then some.
Wargaming has a sense of humor. they make you want to surrender in a french ship because its so bad
ayyyyyyy, this guy ^
No they just wanna make you sail really really fast... in reverse.
were no retreating were just going the other way
to get a better shot is all
Love the joke, but this ship is surprisingly good, you just go straight forward and backward
great review jingles I really like the historical bit you always put in, keep up the good work!
Shows that wargaming will sell any piece of shit for a quick buck.
No, it shows that they are selling many of the ships produced, even this one.
Take a racing game for example, you always get slow pieces of shit that no one likes...but it adds to the game.
It may not be a good ship. But its still a very cool ship. Prem tanks in WoT are vastly inferior to the same tanks at their BR most of the time. But they are still cool tanks that make you money and xp. What im saying is i dont think prem ships are generally meant to compete with same BR. Tirpitz and that Russian thing excluded.
what's with all the users that have a colored block with a letter?
The reason they are "worse than other tanks of the same tier" is because you get that extra exp and money (plus the ability to accelerate the training of your tank crews). It's a trade off.
purplexenno That is what im saying.
Thank you Jingles for featuring this ship. Your critiques on the Dunkerque is consice and very good. However, I being a french national, mon ami, I will buy it for the sake of 'histoire de'. It is indeed a big battle cruiser that is called a battleship. It's all about breaking wind higher than one's ass... It's all about fighting with what one has... Cheers mate!
I figured that there would be more guns in the back. After all, this is the French we're talking about.
that joke is shit and so are you.
+Thekilleroftanks shut the fuck up weaboo
Nice b8 m8
Anthony Marandola thats your insult?
Nope, just denying you the satisfaction of getting a reaction.
I just got the ship. I love it, Guns are great.. So far I have managed to citadel a fuso at max range 3x, Citadel a WARSPITE at mid range. When I had to run away in a brawl my secondaries melted an atlanta and 2 other cruisers.. Those rear facing secondaries are amazing. That was my first game in her
Well the armour belt was sloped 21 degrees something not modeled and was 240mm over vitals and tapering to 140mm at the ends. AA was good for the time it was in commission and was never upgraded as all active ships were. This is a nerfed cartoon of the original and as expected from WG.The only other thing is STOP using millimetres for gun size they mean nothing. There 13" guns. Warspite had 15" guns as did Bismark, Hood and Bayern. Fuso 14" guns. Please use imperial measurements even today the RN define there main guns as 4/5 for 4.5".
They use mm because they're Russian and all of Europe uses the metric system. (The Royal Navy still uses inch designations for guns as a matter of tradition.)
+RedXlV yes. But literally. Almost every naval gun is rated in inches not millimeters
but he's reading this off to a modern society, many members of which don't quite grasp the transition between imperial and metric. Hence, since the largest portion of his audience is European, and a clear majority use the metric system, he reads the measurements in metric and throws in some imperial every now and then to sate the Americans in the crowd ('Murica represent).
::reads the parenthisied comment and vomits:: Dear god I wish people would stop saying that.. spoken like a truly ignorant buffoon with no self respect or dignity. I am American and I cannot believe the ignorant dribble that comes out out the mouths and minds of my fellow Americans.
When one is making videos on the internet and one knows the viewer base is mostly from countries that use metric measurements.. you speak in metric terms...
If it's that important to you, open another tab and use google to do the conversion... or learn the conversions for your self.
I just finished watching Random Acts of Violence and I was just about to go to bed at 3 in the morning....then this came out. GG Jingles, promoting insomnia since whenever
this is most french story behind a ship, it sails around, refuses to fight for allies, gets damaged, sets of fire a couple times and then the french blow it up.... thanks for the statue of liberty
I actually just bought myself a Dunkerque, and I've gotten a few matches in it. While Jingles is right about the ship, I should point out that it does make a good 'prep ship' if you're preparing to go into the American Fast Battleships (North Carolina and Iowa), minus the third turret, and better Secondaries, the ships do seem to play similarly in the regard of "Keep your front towards the enemy at all times. Ergo, if you can somehow make the Dunkerque work for you, then you shouldn't have issues in the North Carolina or Iowa.
All of that said however, It does serve the purpose of getting a French Captain ready for when the French Navy does eventually come into the game. And it does seem to do well at raking in credits and Exp (ofc, it is a premium ship after all). What is funny however, is that these ships aren't that common, so odds are, if you play it right, you will most likely be going up against players that don't know how to adequately attack this ship. Not a guarantee of course, but it is something you can help you make the ship work for you.
one of the greatest acts of cowardice and treachery, the French fleet not joining the allied war effort.
It would have violated the armistice...
there country had been invaded, all of Europe was in flames, Britain stood alone, those ships could have tipped the balance, unforgivable cowardice.
+Tom New please stop before you hurt yourself. For some reason you forget that the british then FIRED on said ships killing 1200ish french sailors who had no real say in the matter. THAT, my friend is 'treachery'. There is no telling what the Germans would have done following such an act. Kill a million french citizens just to make a point? you do remember who was in charge of the Nazis at the time dont you?
The French would rather live on there knees than die fighting, a shame that will haunt them for all time.
And yet, the french resistance in europe, the free french and the french colonies that continued fighting throughout the entire war never rang a bell for you. They also participated in the D Day landings.
You also forget:
The British Blunder and surrender of 100 000 troops in singapore 1942
The retreat of Dunkirk by the British (and French)
The US surrender in the Phillipines of 140 000 ish troops
Britain was (thankfully) never invaded as such and neither was the US. Russia MAY have surrendered if Germany had taken Moscow, but it didnt happen. (Again, thankfully)
Hi Jingles! Love your Videos, ESPECIALLY your laugh, so damned unique hahaha.
Looking forward to the Dunkerque, regardless if bad or not, I've NEVER been this excited for something French.
The Best ship review video I ever saw. I feel like I played the ship already .
I love your vids Jingles. You are the source for things WOWS
Was in a couple of games with The Chieftain playing his Dunkerque - he quite likes it
technically the two ships of this class were battlecruisers really, designed to be fast and fight 11in armed pocket battleships and smaller battlecruisers of the Italian Navy.. She suffers against anything with larger than 12in main guns, thus in WOWs she really is outclassed against BBs, needs to be driven like a super cruiser against cruisers..but no matter what you do it will be a struggle however, she just was not designed to go toe to toe against Nagato or Bismarck etc.
the imperial japanese navy took notes on the british assault on the french navy and used those tactics during the attack on pearl harbor
Thank you for these documentaries!
personally I love my dunkurque, I almost always get 2 kills per game in it and survive most of my wins in it. the reason people hate it so much is because they don't play it right. for the first half the match you use it's amazing gun velocity to snipe from long range, than as soon as you see an oppertu it presenting itself you rush full speed at a weak point in the enemy fleet and lead a push through, a full speed dunkurque backed up by destroyers and cruisers in a hard thing to stop, and if used right you can solo push an entire map side
are you kidding me?! That captain of the dunkerque is a BOSS!
I have something to say about the turning radius, normally when things go fast they need bigger turning circles due to physics(centrifugal force)
The NC has a big turning radius on paper, but when in actual battle I'm still able to turn quite tightly if slow the ship down.
And if physics actually applies to the game, then one may find that slow top speed ships tend to have small turning radius, which I think is actually the case.
That's my opinion, what do you captains think?
So in order to make a fair comparison, shouldn't the radius be measured when all ships are turning at equal speed?(Assuming the stats given in dock were measured when sailing at top speed)
Offshore Angola just got a little more like home after a big slice of Jingles! Thank you 😀
I love these little history lessons in Jingles' videos.
Jingles, what do you do for a living?? I love your videos and your jokes and you laugh is contagious
Again, extremely good video. Nobody can tell a good story quite like you do!
Actually before the new Update dropped, i was running the AA/Secondary build on commander, and my main gun upgrades, and those secondaries have saved me COUNTLESS times from enemy DDs and hunting cruisers is my favorite pastime in this ship, right alongside setting everything on fire when an enemy gets too close (his mistake). And my AA could actually contend with enemy t5-6 planes, while the EDGE on the bow told enemy AP rounds to piss off.
Providing you maneuver at the right time in the right situation, secondaries are among the best at tier 6, they blow destroyers out of the water in seconds with twelve packed 130 mm guns. AA is just enough when completely speced to repell lower tier CVs attacks and bow armor can bounce up to 356 mm AP shells. Xhen facing higher caliber, the armor is just enough, if angled to not being citadelled by 380 mm shells even if they overmatch the bow. Distance can help you too, against German BBs specially who tend to be terribley inaccurate at range. Unfortunately, against 406 mm and higher you're gonna get loled penned from pretty much every angle in this ship, my biggest fear isn't Warspite or even Bismarck, but Nagato, Colorado, North Carolina and Amagi.
The exception is Scharnhorst with only 283 mm shells you're pretyy much immune to her AP shells providing you don't give broadside, ahtought superstructures are gonna eat some big shots.
So provided you use the ship as it can be used you can do fairly well in it.
Basic French philosophy: Stunning beauty with 0 practical application
Hey Jingles. after going over the stats of the Dunkirk and Strasburg. I would place them either as Battlecruisers like you said or very large cruiser killers.
there stats over all don't make them true battleships. unless your going by main gun size.
Jingles for BB reviews(especially premium BB reviews, since people are spending real money/dubloons) I feel you should also include discussion of the sigma and fire resistance stats. If you're really keen, you can also mention things like the turret HP, damage control duration and cooldown, etc.
@Jingles: you know what makes 0 sense to me? you said the 4 guns on one turret greatly affects the accuracy of the cannon right next to it. that makes perfect sense, but only if one gun fires after another. if all 4 guns fire simultaneously, then they should all land in the same general spot. but instead, as far as I can tell, the guns act as if though they were fired off in sequence regardless if you fire a salvo or not. which doesn't seem accurate. it could be a balancing factor, I don't actually play WOWS. but this is the observation I've made, and I feel like it could use some revising. less accuracy when guns are fired in sequence, more accuracy when firing a salvo.
What I have noticed about this ship, is that has very high shell velocity and as we all know from Wot and real world shit, higher velocity tends to mean higher penetration, so in my opinion this will do better in higher tier battles. Now that's sounds insane from what jingles is saying about it, but if you think about it is makes sense because most ships in the higher tiers will have much greater armor. Perfect example of what I mean is how he was getting better results when he was shooting the angled side of the Cleveland whatever the effectiveness of that armor was at that angle, because when he shot the Cleveland from the direct side he got a citadel and a bunch of over pens. So thus making this ships armor piercing capabilities of this very very good at shooting at thick sided warships rather than thinly armored ones.
Going to buy it have seen some pretty amazing battles on here using it and its just unique so will get it.
hej jingles i would love a new video of the ship since it does not feel this way anymore.. and maybe with some sugestions with upgrades?
Thanks for your service jingles
I expect the RN Rodney/Nelson BBs, if they make the lineup, will have that same secondary problem, Jingles... main 16" guns all forward, 6" secondaries all aft! Interesting configuration to say the least.
Dunkerque's turrets were actually subdivided in the middle, with each side of the turret controlling two of the 13" guns. Thus, if one side of the turret was knocked out, the other could keep firing, and this did in fact happen. Is that reflected in the game?
Thank you for presenting her story in such a non-biased way Jingles. Most people always think that accepting the British ultimatum was the "obvious" option, but back in 1940, most people in France (and Europe) expected the UK to go down or at least be forced to a white peace. The US were after all still firmly neutral and nobody took the Russian seriously after the disaster of the Russo-Japanese war and Purges.
Without the gift of hindsight, refusal was the most logical choice since breaking the armistice would have had dire consequences for the country.
The French also did not expect the Royal Navy to actually open fire on them, people have to remember that after the establishment of the Entente Cordiale, it was common practice for French and British navy officers to perform joint exercises, which means that most of the navy brass knew eachother. Churchill's decision caused quite an uproar amongst the British admiralty, especially since their French counterpart would ultimately stay true to their word.
It always irks me to see people throwing a fuss about the French fleet scuttling and yet completely ignore or glorify the scuttling of the german imperial fleet at the end of WW1. The double standards are real.
got it on a 30% discount for upcoming french BB captain training. Currently doing the collection captain to 19 points for the tier X when I get it.
Sacre Bleu ! Enfin une flotte de navires Français !
And yes we, Frenchies, didn't really fight during the World War 2 we all know that opinion from the rest of the World bla bla bla... But our ships are kind of glorious don't they ?
By the way Jingles, i love what you do and please never change !
Long live the Master of the Salt Mines !
With love from a Frenchie ;)
I'm drawn to unique BBs in WoWS and so I bought this ship today. Its a fun ship and I only recommend it for experienced BB captains. I've seen many other Dunker captains expose their full hull today, they didn't last :)
Hey Jingles, I found this game nobody knows about called "From the Depths"... Terrible name, great game. The best way to describe it might be World of Warships meets space engineers.
You can build massive battleships, cruisers, or even submarines, airships and spaceships then have them duke it out. Might be worth taking a look at, I have really enjoyed it and I think you might too.
The port in the background is freaking beautiful
Nice one Jingle's.....That was a surprise, wasn't expecting the Dunkerque into the game....thanks bud and have a good weekend....I'm going clubbing in my Akansas Beta for a while...
Jingles, two questions. 1 What did the designers sniff when the developed that vessel. 2 Did they also designed the Nelson class of BB?
Hey Jingles...
Since WOW is adding the Dunkerque, do think any of these could be added to help flesh out the Frog's.. er French tech tree?
Cruiser Edgar Quinet (1911) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_Edgar_Quinet
Destroyer Enseigne Roux (1915) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_destroyer_Enseigne_Roux
Cruiser Duguay-Trouin (1926) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_Duguay-Trouin
Destroyer Chacal (1920) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_destroyer_Chacal
Cruiser Suffren (1930) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_cruiser_Suffren
sounds like this will be great for chasing cruisers and blasting away. And its a narrow target from the front!
The attack on Mers el Kiber. Likely one of the greatest military blunders of the war. It insured that many French Military men and Civilians would stay loyal to Petain, and for many French the wounds of what happened have not completely healed from what I've read. Despite how much the British say it was necessary, records from the French and even Germans make it obvious that one the Germans didn't want the Ships, and the French had no plans on letting them have the ships even if they tried. Captains had orders to leave ports, and if they couldn't they were to scuttle their ships if the Germans tried to take them by force.
I know he doesn't do World of Warships, but it would be hysterically funny to hear Squire review this thing.
I saw some detailed stats of her and her Sigma value (related to gun accuracy;higher the better) is 1.7, unlike other t6 BB's 1.8. And it feels more like shotgun due to Quadruple turrets
any ideas as to when or if WOW will introduce the Vittorio Veneto? Maybe they could make the Deutschland class "Pocket" battleship or, for that matter, give birth to the german carrier, Graf Zepplin. Obviously, they have a great deal of material to work with, but those are some of the ships I'd like to see in the game.
Thanks for the review Jingles! I'm considering this ship but it depends on price. I've been waiting for French warships to arrive but I'm not sure.
On another note, I think you shouldn't fire AP shells at cruisers with the Dunkerque unless they give your their broadside.
That being said... what is the fire chance of the 330mm HE shell? Is the muzzle velocity the same or lower than the AP shells? If it's lower, it might be that HE salvos from the main guns have less dispersion problems than AP salvos.
Has anyone noticed anything regarding this while driving the Dunkerque?
Also, wait a minute, 29 knots?! The Dunkerque made 31 knots in real life!