Quoting The Gospels To Defend The Quran.
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Spoke with a Muslim the other day and they went on and on about all the inconsistencies of the Bible, how differently Jesus is portrayed throughout the gospels, etc. Granting him all that, I asked him why he believes in ANY of the prophets. His response was LITERALLY “because we’re supposed to.”
Then ask them “well, why don’t you believe any of the prophets?” Then run through some prophecies about Jesus.
It takes a honest , intelligent & knowledgeable Christian to teach Muslims about Islam, Christ is King of Kings 🙏✝️🙏
It takes patience.....extreme patience.
@@zeroch1ll150 that as well 👍
Knowledge dose not give you wisdom.
@@johnjoe7683 who said it did?
@@johnjoe7683 man who lacks the Son lacks both
The slap heard around the Muslim world 👏.
Chris approaches his exegesis of the Qur'an with surgical precision, dissecting, analysing and concluding with incredible wisdom. Quite brilliant!
Most Muslims don't know about this. A Christian is teaching a Muslim their own religion
If only the Muslims would research their scriptures (what they risking their eternity on) as much as the Christians who are trying to save their souls. 🙏
To Muslims, not doubting Islam is FAR more important than finding the truth about Islam.
Their religion tells them that if they were to doubt Islam in any way, they’re already one foot in hellfire 🔥.
If they were to value their eternity, they can never allow themselves to doubt at all, even if they are shown contradicting Islamic verses.
They’ll simply respond by shutting their mind from any question and respond: Allah knows best! And I’m not a scholar, go ask them not me!!
We can only reach those who truly love truth above their fear of hellfire 🔥.
@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid thank you for your reply as tragic and truthful as it is. 🙏💔
The Iceman cold snap qiraat clap can be felt throughout Mecca like tremors, even the kaaba shakes! 😂
It is interesting that Islamic scholars affirm the injeel as being the same as what we have today. Of course, they most likely only used the parts that support the koran, but at least it is the same compilation of books. Circular reasoning is baked into the SIN.
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islamic wash-rinse-dry repeat cycle:
Q. Was Jesus a muslim?
Abdul: yes
Q. Evidence?
Abdul: The Bible says Jesus called God Alaha
Q. Is the Bible reliable?
Abdul: no
Q. So why do you quote the Bible?
Abdul: The parts that agree with the qurans are reliable.
Q. Are the qurans reliable?
Abdul: yes
Q. How do you know?
Abdul: allah said so.
Q. How do you know?
Abdul: muhamad said so.
Q. How do you know?
Abdul: The qurans said so.
Q. How do you know?
Abdul: allah said so.
@@exmuslimAlonzoHarris
I always wonder why liars must always advertise their ex-muslim credentials
Do you think you'll carry more favours in your Christianity as a result?
@@Daawah_WarriorWhat's a Dawah warrior? An expert at lying?
@@ThePrimusCrusader
No!
I don't practice Philippians 1:17-18.
@@ThePrimusCrusader
In fact I leave the honour of lying to Christianity and its Bible......lol
@@Daawah_Warrior
Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba: That she heard Allah's Apostle saying, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a L I A R."
Sahih Bukhari 3:49:857
Great job Chris!
Thanks!!
God bless
Muhammad was oblivious to the sacrificial system in the Torah.
They have the EID sacrifice, but are oblivious to the reason for a sacrifice.
Thank you brother, for sharing. Very informative!
Hi Brother Chris. If Mohammed followed the Torah and Injeel. Why would he keep sabian statues at home? Or use the crescent moon as his symbol?
Thank you, Brother Chris. For being a shining beacon of our Christian faith!. 😊❤
Cause he was a pagan heretic lol
I used this reference to show the Gospel is the Injeel. Great work, thank you.
Good teaching brother Chris .. thank you .. Jesus is God .. Amen
People are sleeping on this channel. It’s criminal. Also happy you figured out the mic. 😁
It's growing fast. It will be one of the core go to channels to get info from in the future.
Couldn't..um..er Muhammad quote where he is mentioned in the previous scriptures? wouldn't that have been easier?
Recently, David Wood and Apostate Prophet debated two Ahmadi Muslims who argued that Muhammad was the Holy Spirit Jesus said He was going to send. Needless to say, their arguments were illogical and despite them being doctors they were unable to use basic reading comprehension skills.
@@user-ic8wh5su2t
David Wood and Ap are incoherent.
An atheist debating if someone is a true prophet or not?🥴
@@AlonzoHarris235 You assume that an atheist is unfamiliar with the Christian scriptures, which are the basis of the debate.
@@AlonzoHarris235so athiest using biblical references to show incoherently in the Quran is some how not okay?..
You know generally atheist are not irrational right? It’s all have to deal with their perception..
No one should be surprised. Defending the confusion that is Islam will make you illogical.
@@AlonzoHarris235Agonzo! How goes the kindergarten classes on counting using only your tiny fingers and toes? Have you truly successfully graduated from that arithmetic and are you finally ready to graduate to more advanced math like basic multiplication, hmmm, Abdul??
😂😂😂😂😂
I think pushing Mzlims for answering what existed as the Injeel in Muhammad's day is the next big argument to take to the Dawah dudes. They need to answer it and you are doing great work showing the NT gospels were used prior.
@@l.quranhubbard5275
Only idiots will actually be blind to the fact that Muslims have successfully answered every Christian lie through the centuries.
Yet they still struggle to find new things to bash Islam with
And how they scour, pervert, and adulterate our scripture in pathetic attempts at looking for a morsel!
But the truth remains, Christianity must of necessity fight both Islam and Judaism.
Because being desperate to be recognized as an Abrahamic monotheistic religion, Islam and Judaism are the only obstacle to this satanic attempt.
But by all means, go ahead and try.
@@Daawah_Warrior well for a text claimed to be the verbatim speech of a God, the Quran is self refuting. I’d give it B- personally. An incoherent mashup of random nonsense. Give the claim up, I’m embarrassed for you.
Oh man, i loved this video 🙌🙌
chris 💪
Im not getting any notifications for ANY of my christian channels 😢 are there alot of muslim moderators for google/RUclips??
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Thumbnail is so good 😂😂😂😂
When I criticise the quran to a muslim they always try and turn it round to the bible, I just tell them I'm not a Christian and it shuts them right up.
@Chris At Speaker's Corner can you put also the link of the Ibn temia book that you showed in one of yours videos where he said there is 3 groups of islamic scholars, one minor that said Gospel is corrupted totally, second that said that gospel is authentic 100 % and third, the majority one, that said most of Gospels are preserved? Can you also out a link of Umar the 2th letter?
Very clear
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I love you, Jesus!
al bukhari held that the Bible is not corrupted!
No matter how "corrupted" it purportedly is, it doesn't have d kind of holes YQ said exists in d standard narrative 😂
"your corrupted scripture prophesized my prophet"
Muslims in nutshell regarding bible
Show the text in the books by ibn qaydamah that says what the article is saying
For the algorithm:
Extragenitals? 😂
That was a puny starting clap
Will improve
Look at the content
4 people mentioned in Quran found in NT.
Zechariah
John the Baptist
Mary most blessed
Jesus the messiah.
Almost all the Quran mentions facts about the above as in gospels but gospels have more than those facts in Quran.
Sharia has always seemed like salvation by law. I wonder how these early scholars cited Paul if at all.
HOW are muslims an authority on historical documentation of lineage IF the handing down of text carries different accounts of events
"muslim scholar"?
Quoting The Holy Bible to defend the holey quran? 😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣
Why do they do that 😂
Cherry Picking Muslims do this.
Gospels ha ha ha non were eye witness accounts This is rubbish .of no use,
To be fair, that Christians don't listen to their own texts would be valid criticism from a regular perspective that it's probably not a good religion, and this false.
Of course the fact that it tells us to be perfect and like God himself, kind of makes it impossible to ever live up to, and that it tells us that the point is the heart not to follow rules is an even better one, which makes it the true religion.
The authors of the gospels were not the ones who were walking with Jesus according to Christian scholarship, who admit all authors of the gospels are anonymous. People were just writing about Jesus what they heard about Jesus. The authors of the gospels never claimed that they were witnesses. They never claim who they are. And they never claim any divine inspiration. Majority of Christians don't even know that they are relying on 4th century Greek manuscripts written by unknown authors.
Wrong - we don't admit that, and the overwhelming majority of ALL scholarship, Christians, Jews, ATHEISTS WHO THINK ALL RELIGION IS NONSENSE... will tell you that the attributed authors of the Gospels were the authors, of those Gospels (the only slightly correct thing you just said is that not all of those authors were direct eye-witnesses... but those books SAY that, and they wrote them by "talking to and questioning the eye-witnesses") - they don't claim who they are explicitly because it wasn't "about them" and also it was kind of obvious on its face, we assert that ALL scripture is "God breathed" or "inspired", and the entire New Testament was compiled within "less than a century" from the crucifixion, the MOST certain fact of the ancient world that Islam denies took place, because Islam is a comical, obvious forgery whose entire standard narrative is a fairy-tale that doesn't match reality.
We don't have the original TEXTS, from the 1st century... but that's not a problematic aspect for Christians because we know exactly why: Christians were POOR, they were a heavily persecuted minority for quite some time, so when they were writing those books and letters that comprise the New Testament down, they weren't using expensive parchment, they used papyrus... which crumbles after about a century or so. That's why we don't have the originals, but rather copies of copies, until Roman emperors adopted Christianity and commissioned manuscripts on materials that would last.
Your Dawah script, just like the entire state of Islamic apologetics, consists of "just telling lies". You should ask yourself why "the truth" can only be defended by lying about things.
Nope!
The fact is that we actually have the writings of Irenaeus, a student of Polycarp, who was actually a student of John the apostle and Irenaeus clearly affirmed each of the gospels authors - right?
Moreover, the fact is that John actually met Jesus, ate with Jesus and lived with Jesus and travelled with him for years and was present at the crucifixion - right? John was actually one of the apostles who taught Polycarp who subsequently taught Irenaeus - yes? This is a no brainer!!
By contrast who did Mohammed actually meet from the first century? That’s right! NO ONE! ZILCH!! Because the fact is that Islam and Mohammed didn’t even exist until 6 centuries later and Mohammed allegedly met an angel in a cave who squeezed him so hard and frightened him so much he was suicidal and he apparently travelled on a flying donkey, split the moon but still managed to get the crucifixion and the trinity totally and utterly wrong - yes?
Yeah makes great “sense”?
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The gospels are not dated to the 4th century. No reputable scholars of the New Testament, even non-believers like Bart Ehrman, claim such a thing. They are still considerable closer to the events and earliest generations than the Quran of course.
Chris believes in three gods.
Bless you. The trinity isn't three gods. It is one God in three persons.
@@timothyhilditch
Is the trinity one self or three selves?
@@AlonzoHarris235 the trinity means there’s relation within the godhead. This is a far more sophisticated concept of god than the Islamic one, which is ultimately inconsistent, unable to explain how god, as the infinite, relates to the finite and isn’t limited by it. Contrary to what a lot of Muslims tell themselves, their simplistic concept of god doesn’t represent progress relative to the Christian concept, but a regression.
@@AlonzoHarris235 One being, one divine essence, three persons within that one being. If you were to go to heaven right now you'd see God as one being
At this point, I've come to the conclusion that these mu slims are trolling for attention. The three 3 gods shuffle has been totally corrected multiple times that I can't even count but still y'all give deaf ears to it which is tiring.
It’s all well and good making a video about this. But it also says Jesus isn’t God and the Quran is the final revelation. You can’t pick and choose what you want to accept as truth and which you don’t. Sorry but I’m sure Christian’s will also see this?
Jesus is God and He is the only way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Him. A religion that promotes terrorism, hate and $ex is a cult.
he is not picking and choosing what to believe. He is speaking about the methods of the Dawah and early Scholars of Islam, and what they believed as they were attempting to spread their religion to other tribes of Arabs. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say however.
Moslems cannot pick and choose either. Is the Ko ran corrupted or not? It seems to affirm the Injeel and Torah.
You mean the same way that the stone lickers pick and choose from the Bible?
@FormerKafir
Pot calling the kettle....!
Your cult, the doctrine, your incoherent contradictory scrapbook, hadiths, tafsirs, are nothing but Taqiyya Bid'ah pick n mix!
You all try to cherry pick verses from the Bible to claim they're true/authentic/valid when you can apply Taqiyya, but any verses that expose and bust your cult and incoherent scrapbook you then claim corruption, even though your incoherent scrapbook, hadiths, tafsirs, mainstream popular accepted credited scholars, all affirm the authenticity of our Scripture, ibn Kathir even affirms Christianity, and the early Churchfathers, which includes their works/publications by default!
The whole post is wholly based on the the false premise that the Qur'an affirms the Bible.
Unfortunately the Qur'an it does not affirm the Bible.
The injeel that muslims talk about is what was revealed to Jesus.
I even sense that this Injeel actually existed, but with the paganization of the Nazarenes, and the invitation of the gentiles into the movement, then this had to be banned and condemned.
Heck! Even Paul affirms the existence of two gospels in Galatians. One to Peter and one to him.
If christians can show us these two gospels, then maybe they can a point.
As it is, all these endeavours are just mere drowning men clutching at straws.
The Quran affirms many books of the Bible - namely the Torah and Injeel.
The Quran never mentions multiple Injeels - only one Injeel which was sent by Allah and is with the Christians at the time of Muhammad.
Muhammad had companions and family that hung out with Trinitarian Nicene-creed believing Christians in Yemen, Aksum, Egypt and possibly Syria.
We have no evidence that Muhammad had access to a different Injeel than the one all the Christians he knew of had.
Christendom was unified on the Injeel (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) by the 7th century. This is obvious through manuscript evidence and the testimony of Church tradition.
All the available evidence points to Muhammad affirming the Injeel that was in use by the Byzantium Imperial Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, The Oriental Orthodox Church, the Church of the East etc.
You have zero evidence that the Quran is referring to a different Injeel.
This video was to show that early Islamic scholars also believed that the Gospels we have today are the Injeel.
@@chrisatspeakerscorner
Bro!
You are setting a strawman against Islam. All Muslims know was that Jesus was given the injeel and the knowledge of what was in this Injeel was what Allah said to Muhammad, not what the fakes called Mathew, Mark, Luke and John said.
You may have been unified by 7th century, but the reality was that even the access to these was limited to just the priests and monks.
Normal Christians never had any access and these gospels were hidden from them. That is historical too.
You don't have any evidence that Muhammad affirmed the Injeel these chaotic Bibles you mentioned.
The Qur'an never mentioned anywhere any book called the Bible.
Funny enough, the Qur'an calls you the People of the Book, but it doesn't call you the people of the Injeel.
Use your head and quit lying bro!
@@chrisatspeakerscorner
You claim the early scholars believe that what you have today ARE the Injeel?
You are being very deceptive here.
No Muslim ever believes that the Injeel is more than one book, bro.
Your devious endeavours are obvious......!
Try harder
@@Daawah_Warrioryou abduls say the qurans were given to muhummud through gibril. So why do abduls read the qurans from hafs, warsh and doori? Taqi-yya failed 😂
@@Daawah_Warrior Orality is a real thing for Christians as well as for Muslims - so most Christians (including Muslims) knew their scripture orally, again for Christians those scriptures would be Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
This is what the Arabic term "Injeel" would have mean't to the vast majority of Christian Arabs that Muhammad and his companions would of known.
The Quran affirms the inspiration, preservation and affirmation of this single Injeel.
If you watched the video - I give multiple early Muslim scholars who believed the Injeel was Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
The idea the Injeel was corrupted textually at it's very core seems to originate with Ibn Hazm in the 11th century.
And this idea you guys now use in the modern day of the Injeel being something totally different that only Muhammad and a small group of Christians knew about in the Hijaz - isn't a popular view historically by Islamic scholars. Probably because this would mean the majority of the worlds population of Christians are being judged for not following the real Injeel - even though the Quran assumes they have it and can follow it's laws - which would then be an error in the Quran.
It is oxymoron to claim the Qur'an affirms the the Bible when it negates the core doctrines taught in the Bible.
It is truly amazing that christians actually go to the Qur'an to try to defend the man-made Bible, because history actually confirms the Torah was lost at the destruction of the first Temple alongside the Ark of the Covenant......lol
I don't think christians ever go to the Quran to defend the Bible. We study the Old Testament and New Testament, also sometimes other Jewish writings that were intertestimental, that are fairly good. The problem with the Quran being that it alters Bible stories and includes fabulous material (Solomon on flying carpet, Alexander the Great a prophet ...), and also is clearly written by a person or people not well informed. (When the Temple was destroyed, their copy of the Torah might have got lost, but you seem unaware that they had many copies of the Torah, also a Greek translation, and Aramaic targums).
@@collybever
So you go to the Qur'an to do what?
Lying about it as you are doing here?
Solomon's flying carpet in the Qur'an?
I would love to see the verse!
Alexander the Great a prophet?
I would also love to see the verse!
Are you projecting the Bible problems on the Qur'an? Because it is the Bible that calls Cyrus A Messiah....lol
@@collybever
The Torah was lost and that is a historical fact. And you lie that they had many copies of the Torah. And it was Ezra who wrote the Pentateuch which is just a story about the events and stories about Moses and some little bits of what he could recall about the Torah......lol
The Torah was in the custody of the priests in the Temple.
What historical fact?😂 provide your proof prophet google@@Daawah_Warrior
Matthew COPIED 90% of Mark. examples where Matthew copied from Mark , but, FORGED words / removed words , to give a more "Divine" Jesus.
these categories are:
1) changing the word m when referring to Jesus, calling him Lord ( when it was Rabbi in MArk's Gospel)
2) Jesus calling himself Lord
3) Son of God, added to the text
4) Jesus calling God, my Father, rather than God
5) people worshipping Jesus
6) reducing the emphasis of the One God
7) reducing the distinction between Jesus and God
8) covered the human limitations of Jesus ( Fig tree )
So, we have concluded that: 1) Matthew wasn't an eye-witness. 2) He was a pagan 3) he plagerized his Gospel 4) he didn't view Mark's Gospel as Divine or holy. See how easy we can , even today,see how the New Testament has nothing to do with Jesus' teachings,
Thanks for this comprehensive explanation. BUT since muslims frequently throw their scholars and even their prophet under the bus 🚌, they would not blink with their eyes and will say dawawise 🥸: Well, these scholars you are referencing didn’t know, what later scholars know and therefore you are ignorant about this. Are you listening? I am here to teach you the truth of what we know now about the injeel. Since we still can’t say what it actually was saying - uncorupted - we know now for sure that it said whatever the quran says …. and .. no! Don’t interrupt, you are being rude! I will walk out of this conversation …“