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I love that the Fugitive Doctor is clearly trying to pick up Jodie Whitaker as a Companion before she realizes who she is.
When you think you're the coolest even though you don't know who you'll become/are yet.
The Doctor likes Blondes
I liked the guy from the Christmas special who fought he was the Doctor. I think he would have done a great job. Unfortunately the writing went down a bit after Tennant.
The companions have been way too ordinary.
My question is this gonna be explained towards regeneration
As much as I hate the timeless child being the doctor, she's good. Really good. She should have been the next incarnation, not a previous. She's amazing.
Agreed
I hope it’s retconned into the Doctor somehow becoming the timeless child instead of this chosen one bullshit. At least then the doctor started out as just a normal time lord instead of always being special.
Yeah... Jo Martin is splendid in the role, but really should have been inserted between the second and third incarnations, not pre-first.
@@EmeralBookwise Yes, exactly. The 'Division' plot thread would have fit in perfectly for a canonization of Season 6B.
I can take or leave the retcon itself, I just wish the episode where they did the full reveal was any good. Early mysterious unknown regenerations, sure. But the Master just... ending the Time Lords and turning them into Cybermen, wiping out Gallifrey off-camera, was such a disappointment. I mean, among other gripes, we just had a "the Master turns a bunch of people the Doctor cares about into a Cyber-army" plot a couple seasons ago.
As much as I hated the idea of pre-Hartnell Doctors, I’m really liking Jo Martin’s take on the role. There’s a real sense of authority there, which makes her an interesting contrast to Whittaker. I’m curious to see when the incarnation will appear next.
Pre- Hartnell Doctors is not a new idea by Chris Chibnall the pre-hartnell Doctor appeared in The Classic Episode Brain of morbius 🙂
@@tardiser9760 I was going to say that too. It was idea'd back in 1975 by then-showrunner Philip Hinchcliffe and backed-up by Robert Holmes in 1975. I'm just glad that Chris Chibnall had the spine to follow up on it. It's really put the "Who" back in to "Doctor Who" even more so and I'm thankful to him for that added extra depth of mystery to the Doctor.
@@Alan1701b I agree to an extent. It does carry with it many risks of plot holes, however. Much more so than usual, that is. Such as why the Fugitive Doctor's TARDIS looks like a police box. So I'm really hoping that Chibnall can fill in those holes in a satisfying manner, without rewriting much of the established lore that been accepted thus far.
@@tardiser9760 oh, I’m aware of that. Morbius is a personal Halloween essential for me, and to be honest, I was never convinced by the fan theory that the faces we didn’t recognize in that story were Morbius. I guess it’s more a personal preference, as what makes Hartnell’s Doctor so great to watch is that he’s so different at first. He comes across as selfish and arrogant as any other Time Lord, so it’s great seeing him develop because of his first human companions. But, since the idea of pre-Hartnell Doctors is being explored, I’m curious to see how it’ll develop. Especially since Jo Martin’s Doctor feels so dangerous, which is the right way to go.
thing is the idea is OLD hell one of those clips that was just flashign faces was from a 4th doctor story where the idea of pre Hartnell doctors was first mentioned
Ruth is what the first female doctor could have been, She felt like the doctor, great style too
though I feel like if that happened, people would complain her casting was just a woke thing (black and woman)
I agree so much! when she was like "you've got to be kidding me" i'm like.. yeah I wish....
Ruth is what the first female Doctor should have been.
@@Edward-nf4nc yeah, it pissed me off when she gave a clear warning to the judoon etc even took procautions and the doctor still threw a temper tantrum. The companions were great though, I loved them
@@iamthinking2252_ people also complained about Capaldi being old at first. They would have stopped complaining after a few episodes
It's a really silly thing to appreciate, but I love that they both have the "...oh this is a joke right?" reaction on realising who the other is
As is tradition with any Doctor meeting another version of himself or herself.
joke is the right word about the Chibnall era.
@@purefoldnz3070 Get a life
@@EmmaSaints you could just say themself.
God I wish Joe Martin got her own season. She's such an amazing actress with such a powerful presence
Are you paid by Chibnal to spout rubbish?
@@fivish I think he is. The entire idea is terrible
She’s got an audio series on Big Finish now
@@fivish What is it with you people?
She might. She's still alive and young (unlike John Hurt, may he rest in peace), so it's not out of the question.
By far the best thing about the Chibnell era (about the only thing) has been the wonderful Jo Martin. Instantly accepted her as THE Doctor. Some people just have 'it' don't they? This feels like the pilot that should've been. Thank God we're getting more with Big Finish. 👏👏
It's very hard to just introduction a new doctor out of nowhere and make them believable. Jo Marting and John Hurt both nailed the roles.
I wish this video included my favorite Jo Martin line: "Well done. You're only five minutes behind someone who just had their memory fully restored. Five points."
I like how whenever the doctor first meets a past incarnation they always do that thing.
I’ll say this:
While I don’t like the Timeless Child retcon (to put it nicely), I’m more than happy that the Fugitive Doctor came with it!
Like all good Doctors, Jo Martin knows how to make the role unique while still recognizable as the Doctor, she’s stern while still containing a sense of whimsy, know how to handle herself in a crisis, and to top it off, her Doctor outfit is awesome, acting as a perfect reflection of her own Doctor’s personality; dark and serious on the outside with the black jacket and pants, while still being odd and whimsical with the multicolored clothes sticking out underneath. It just really works!
Honestly, Jo Martin knows how to make this role all her own, and I’m not against seeing more of her Doctor in the future!
She was also a fan of Capaldi's era, I believe, which influenced her costume choice -- particularly her boots apparently.
@@filthycasual8187 That is awesome.
Jo Martin has such great presence, she commands every scene she's in. I'd love it if she became the 14th.
But she is a doctor from the doctor's forgotten past
@@2429Ryanspeer or maybe her forgotten future
@@2429Ryanspeer For now, that is. From a Doylist perspective: this can be retconned by future writers. From a Watsonian perspective: "time can be rewritten".
Well the Museum curator did suggest that in the future The Doctor would revist 'just the old favourites' so a return for her as a future Doctor is indeed a posibility.
@@EmmaSaints Time can be re-written and unwritten, but I think we've gone too far with the "Timeless Child" concept.
Russel Created the time war
Moffat created the war doctor
Chris created the fugitive Doctor
Well, Russell created *the last great* Time War. There'd already been a few Time Wars before then. And a destruction of Gallifrey.
Russell created the Meta-Crisis Doctor too 😋
Chris ruined the 50 years of the show
Chris didn't create the fugative doctor he just resurected an old idea
@@Evasive1 Ok bud.
Whittaker's take on the doctor was different compared to past doctors. She had the naive innocent trait which led played well with how the season turned out with the Flux event. But to be fair I REALLY want more Jo Martin's doctor. It took a few episodes for me to accept and finally understand the new doctor but Jo...within the first minute of her reveal just owned the part.
Have to admit the “mind blown” part was a hit of nostalgia. The old school who theme chills
So two words will do that for you?
That's unfortunate. Nostalgia is the most hollow emotion in existence. It's when you like something purely because it reminds you of the past, and not because it's actually good.
She’s not a Pre Hartnell Doctor, the Tardis wasn’t a Police Box until it got stuck as a Police Box in Unearthly Child when the Chameleon Circuit got Stuck
Good point.
That got reckoned
I absolutely love Jo Martin's acting, and she brought a whole new dimension to the role (no pun intended) . I hope that this incarnation has bigger roles in future story lines. x
The Master: Who are you?
The Fugitive Doctor: I'm The Doctor, mate. Who the hell are you?
I assume it was the fugitive doctor who imprisoned the ravagers, hence becoming the “fugitive” and why she is a significant regeneration - I wish we could have a series covering the events leading up to it
If the showrunners have any intelligence we have just found the next Doctor ., if any woman can pull off that character MS Martin can do it. Just the right amount of drama and offbeat humor the right mixture with intelligence and mystery to make the character all her own.. The same as David Tennant and Matt Smith did when they had the opportunity as the doctor
What happens if the fugative doctor is what the meta crisis doctor would have regenerated into if he was fully timelord since they have similar personalities
Fortunately RTD is too intelligent to fall for the "the next Doctor MUST be a woman because....reasons" mantra. We have Ncuti because he is the best fit for the role, his race and gender had nothing to do with the casting, which is as it should be
OH.
With what Flux has shown us thus far with Swarm, maybe that's who Jo's Doctor was referring to when she said "he".
She was referring to Swarm in her past and what happens with her and Jodie's Doctor BECAUSE of Flux.
Jo Martin is welcome as the Doctor any time 😁 She’s awesome!!!
Was happy to see her refeshin feeled like the doctor again
She can't get her own series soon enough!
Honestly! She NEEDS to be given something to do, already. I wanna see her tricking ancient gods throughout spacetime, and so on.
Fugitive doctor's arc makes no sense. They should play it off as if it's a trick from the master or something.
@@centralrnrockets3500 No one asked. No one asked. Neither one of us asked.
We don't care about your rage. We like her just the same. So please kindly go **** off and let us hope that she'll return.
Anyone want to start betting on how long it'll take for Big Finish to make boxsets for the Fugitive Doctor?
2 years
They’ll probably only get the rights to use characters from this era when the 14th doctor is announced
Just imagine the box art, with a title that’s something like “Doctor Who: The Devision” with Joe Martian and Karvanista holding their weapons
3 years Jodie isn’t leaving till next year so they can’t use any character from her era until she has left the show and I think they will leave 2 years before bringing in Jo Martin like they did with John Hurt
They’re probably were part of her contract and already in the works.
They showed some scenes from The Brain of Morbius during the game Time Lord wrestling.
Would be great to see Jo Martin return for the 60th anniversary of Doctor Who
Or Big Finish (if they ever get the rights)
Yes!!!! It'd be amazing to see her there!!!!
To be fair Jodie is probably going to be in the 60th as well I don’t get why she is leaving in the BBC 100th anniversary if the next episode after that which will be the 14th Doctor first episode will be the 60th why not have Jodie regenerate in the 60th saves her having to just come back
@@alistairrae9807 um... I think you have your maths wrong, there. #14 will have at least 1 season before the 60th anniversary, unless they completely take a hiatus for an entire year. I mean, it's possible that they'll have a few specials, like Tennant's #10 did for a year, and then have the 60th anniversary episode, but if they do that, there's no telling which Doctor we will see in that.
Who knows, maybe the Ruth Doctor! Maybe we'll learn more about The Division! Then again, this is just wild speculation on my part, LOL- or more like wishful thinking. 🤔 😉 😂
@@MaryAnnNytowl The three specials are in 2022 so #14 would only get a full series if they air it at the start of 2023 though right? I'm struggling to remember if they have said a series will be _before_ the 60th. My brain hurts.... 😣
As much as I dislike Chibnall's run of DW, I love the concept of Jo Martin taking up the mantle of The Doctor. No hate on Jodie, I think she's a great actress and I'm sure she's only doing the best she can with what she's given, but I personally hate Chibnall's run of DW and how he rewrote The Doctor's origins. I really do think Jodie could've been an OUTSTANDING Doctor, maybe one of the best, if handled by anyone else. That's why I'm looking forward to Davis coming back and, hopefully, making the past few years seem like a weird fever dream
JW is a very poor actress and is only there as a friend of Chibnal. JM is only there to tick more woke boxes.
Honestly, I couldn't make it past Josie's Doctor first season. But honestly I find Jo's protrayal way better. I don't know why but she gives off the "THE DOCTOR!" Vibes
Well the fugitive dr has more doctor in her than the 13th dr and is a perfect fit
Finally, i've been waiting for more fugitive doctor clips to rewatch for a while
She really deserved to be the next Doctor or maybe a cool twist and she was secretly the Master.
Having both Jo and Jodie on here is amazing now. Good work.
Unfortunately there will be nobody left to watch it.
This was the best episode of Jodie's run. Great plot for every character, great mystery, Jo's (and Jodie's) performance is incredible. And it ends without answers, which almost made it better. Especially considering the lame answer we eventually got.
We need spin off with her she is awsome
I wanted a Doctor's Daughter spin-off, never got one.
Try big finish. They have 10000 spin offs nobody asked for. They have a spinoff with the side characters from remembrance of the daleks!
It’s good to see Jo Martin Back As The Fugitive Doctor Again.
One of the most electric moments/sequences in the show's history. I wish Chibnal could have carried this focus and energy forward - it ended up being his peak.
I hate how the BBC shoehorned two more regeneratoons, 1.) Fugitive Doctor would of been a great main doctor. 2.) The War Doctor should of been an alternative version of 9 from a timeline he never regenerated into and got older fighting a timewar because he didn't use 'the moment' when he should of, so the time war got longer.
The difficult part about her being a previous incarnation that we don't know anything about means there is only so much we can do with her character. She can't cross over with other doctors because 13 doesn't remember her so any crossover would have to end with a memory wipe. I feel like I would love to see maybe a movie or special featuring her, but outside of that I don't think there's much she can do unless she becomes a recurring character going forward.
In less than one episode, Jo Martin carried the gravitas of the Doctor.
Three seasons in, and Jodie’s Doctor still doesn’t feel like the Doctor.
Sad we have not even a full 30 mins of jo Martin Doctor
Although I don't like what Chibnall is doing with Doctor Who's cannon, I like how Doctor Ruth and the new Master are being interpreted. Jo Martin and Sacha Dhawan are doing fantastic jobs.
Geesh!
I absolutely agree. I hate the Doctor being the Timeless Child, but Sacha Dhawan and Jo Martin have been the highlights of the present era.
Dhawan strikes me as someone who was told 'act like a complete and total, balls to the wall bonkers lunatic who might murder you at any moment' when he stepped into view. An utterly inferior Master. His predecessors were dangerous, but they were also extremely brilliant and lethally cunning with stories and plots that demanded your attention. Dhawan's screamy Master, by comparison, seems written by a child as a comic book villain.
The only thing that this Fugative Doctor reminds me of is Shades of the Valeyard only without the Valeyard's traits.
@@literallyanangrymoose7717 All of the NuWho Masters have been clowns, except for the Jacobi Master who we only saw briefly.
I do hope she gets a spin off series like Torchwood or Sarah Jane
It wouldn’t surprise me if Big Finish eventually gives her a series to explore her Doctor’s era.
Far too few viewers left to support DW let alone a spin off.
Her power love her and the dynamic between jo and and jodie such great chemistry can’t wait to see more
I think the Fugitive Doctor is much more important than we have seen thus far. She could very well be the Other, a Time Lord shrouded in myth who helped design the archetypal basis of Gallifreyan society alongside Rassilon and Omega in a peaceful manner. She later readily worked with Tecteun in Division to uphold the security of reality. She adopts the name "Doctor" as a codename for her mission to do good, while her actual name is the keystone to unraveling her existence, like a redacted file. However, upon seeing the growing madness of Tecteun and her idea to wipe out a whole universe she perceives to be beyond help (possibly foreseeing the enormity of evils yet to come), there's some kind of falling out and the Doctor becomes too dangerous to leave alone, growing into the Fugitive, who eventually faces her capture. The Doctor has her mind sanitized and has a forced regeneration into a child in an attempt to purge the rogue element from her mind. The Doctor grows up and has a family, including his granddaughter, Susan Foreman. But somewhere under the surface, the Doctor shares a psychic bond with that one hinky TARDIS that keeps turning into a police box, and he can feel it calling to him. He and Susan decide to leave Gallifrey and travel across the highlights of reality, and he returns to being a runaway Time Lord. And this time, he gets to find out for himself if good can triumph over evil, even if it's only because he was the only one there to take a stand.
Your close to the answer Tecteun is the other from Galifreyan myth. Chances are Rassilon rewrote timelord history to hide Tecteun and division so Galifrey could pose as the masters of time when it was division.
This was beautifully written.
Yeah I quite like this idea
Rewatching this, I realize... I don't get the TARDIS reveal. We know that the first Doctor stole that TARDIS with the broken chameleon circuit. Without the broken circuit, that ship could still look like anything. Now, the fugitive Doctor is supposed to predate what we know as the first Doctor, so that should mean a different TARDIS, most likely one that isn't broken. So... why still a blue box? What sense does that make?
Maybe the Doctor has always had a knack of getting TARDISes stuck in police box form.
@@BGS456 Why would they plant fake memories? Wouldn't they have erased her memory of herself if that was the case?
they didn't think of that when writing this bs
the way Jo Martin says "no ~time~" is just so excellent, very Classic Doctor
This was actually awesome, I like her take on the doctor. The authority and calmness was a side I haven't seen with this doctor
They really did Jodie dirty by putting Jo Martin opposite her and then giving Jo the better characterization, better costume, better console room, better everything.
Hopefully Jodie Whittaker does Big Finish someday so she can actually shine as the Doctor for real.
I hope we get to see some form of spinoff with Jo's doctor. She does such a good job as the Doctor.
I love how they make fun of each others’ clothes and have the same brain.
And how it’s so unclear which is earlier.
Cast *Jo Martin as the 14th Doctor!* She's there, she's perfect, most importantly: she is completely _the_ Doctor.
And Year by Year Later, David Tennant is The 14th Doctor
If we don't get a series with Joe it's a crime!!
i wouldnt like her to be the future doctor like some people have been theorising, but id love a spin off for her
Her being the future doctor doesn’t make much sense. We’ve established that she’s in the doctors past. Making her the 14th doctor seems like a lame excuse to not find a new actor
@@benma1116 absolutely
Personally, I would like if Davies retconned timeless child in some way with the exception of Jo's Fugitive Doctor. I'd want to think that she would have been from a different universe and had gotten stuck in this universe.
@@hasteur3290 chibnall’s plan for his time as showrunner was always the timeless child. It’s too big a thing to just retcon. However it could just be forgotten and never revisited, with the except of some characters. That’d probably be good.
@@hasteur3290 Davies has said that he loved the timeless child twist so no chance of a retcon happening, although he could definitely improve on it
While I hate the idea of a pre-Hartnell Doctor, I really love her take on the fugitive doctor
I'd prefer if she was a future doctor
A number of people out there are hating the theory of the timeless child, and by extension Chris.
But here is something people may not have considered, the ideal of Pre-Hartnell Doctor's was floated back in Mat's (Doctor #11) era.
Go back to the episode "Thr Doctor's Wife" at one point the Idris says she has about 30 control rooms archive, the Doctor stated he's only changed the desktop about a dozen times and Idris said yet, a lot of us took it to mean future remodels by the Doctor, but it also could have ment past remodels. And before any one state that the Fugitive Doctor's Tardis looks like Hartnel's the maintenance shop could of done a reset on the control rooms and chameleon circuit before deciding to just junk her because of the glitches.
Except the point of the joke was that Idris was archiving rooms that hadn't happened yet.
11: you can't archive something that happened yet.
Idris: you can't.
@@laviarray there is nothing to indicate all 30 desktop's have to be from Hartnel ownward
Well no. Susan states it was working before. In the first hartnell story, she explains that they have been to a few planets before settling on earth. She is surprised when they are in prehistoric earth and it is still a police box.
@@haruyasumi616 the Tardis circuit might have been broken (i.e. "fixed") and it took going back to the 20th century to fix it.
@@johnfvandenboschjr6540 that doesn't make any sense. It's made pretty obvious throughout that it's supposed to change to suit the environment (chameleon is a big clue). And we have seen tardis that do work. And a few people have said they know how to easily fix it.
Assuming there is a default appearance that tardis start with, or reset to... why in an infinite universe and time would it be something so specific to early 20th century england in a very narrow time, and so visually blatant? It would be something vague. Like a rock. And probably something gallifreyan. Maybe a silver tree or something.
This just seems like cognitive dissonance, refusing to accept that this ruth character doesn't fit in as being pre-hartnell.
Alternate timeline would make more sense. It's still a fricking awful character though.
In hindsight it appears that Jo would have been the better choice of actor as the first female doctor.
I don’t like Pre-Hartnell incarnations. Like, I really, really don’t. But Jo Martin is just amazing as the Doctor. She should’ve been the 13th Doctor.
So many plot holes brought up and so many disappointed fans about the fact that Doctor has an origin now when all we want is mysterious adventurer
I have a theory that this incarnation of The Doctor is not Pre-Hartnell, but actually Post-Troughton and Pre-Pertwee~
I feel that The Division is just a subsection of the Celestial Intervention Agency who snatched up the Second Doctor (or the Hobo Doctor, if you will...iam Hartnell) after the main CIA had finished doing what they wanted (see Season 6B for more on the Celestial Intervention Agency); Troughton regenerates into Ruth, who eventually is wiped of her memories of The Division (perhaps as a future incarnation), and THEN regenerates into The Dandy Doctor
I feel like my theory provides an adequate explanation of why the TARDIS is a police box, why she calls it her "ship," why the interior looks very classic, and why she refers to herself as "The Doctor" (it also could reinforce why Pertwee was unconscious for most of the first episode of _Spearhead From Space_ (a great story by the way, check it out if you haven't)) ... it makes the most sense to me, anyways
Either way, I must admit: Jo Martin is really rocking her acting skills~ Even if she seems a bit too cold for The Doctor, it's definitely nice seeing the Jo and Jo(die) dynamic; it rivals Graham and Ryan for the best 13th Doctor duo
my thoughts exactly
In the scene where the Third Doctor arrives on Earth and collapses after leaving the TARDIS, he's wearing a black frock coat and dark trousers which look like those worn by the Fugitive Doctor. What he's wearing under the coat isn't visible because he has his back to the camera as he leaves the TARDIS and then falls forward. He has no memory of prior events, and has a wristwatch that can locate the TARDIS, which he didn't have in the previous story. The forced 'change of appearance' could have been imposed together with the original sentence of exile but for a different reason - appearing as a white, middle-aged man, the Doctor would 'fit in' as an authoritive figure in military intelligence in 1970s Britain
Don't even get me started on Ruth having a police box TARDIS way before the 1st doctor stole a TARDIS and it THEN changed into a police box. There are only 3 options as to how that makes any sense:
1) He stole the same one he had previously used that was damaged because of him, and he forgot, and it turns out it can only be disguised as a police box or in its original form, and he just so happened to land in the 1960s. A perfect time for the only other disguise the TARDIS could do to take effect, and the TARDIS also never uses its original form again, even though it can. This is extremely unlikely as, although he didn't technically pick a random TARDIS as Clara pointed it out to him, it would mean that either Clara was extremely lucky in her randomness, or she knew about the previous incarnations of the Doctor in that form and thus when Clara got all the memories of the other lives (pretty sure she did), why would she not have told the Doctor this vital information about his past?
2) The TARDIS that our Doctor has now, saw what she had before the 1st Doctor, and decided to copy the other TARDIS she used back then. This would also mean that both TARDISes had a broken chamelon arch. So quite unlikely.
3) It was the same TARDIS, but, before the 1st Doctor, the TARDIS saw into the Doctor's future and saw they would come to like the police box design and so, chose it for them before they were even the 1st Doctor. Even though the chameleon arch was broken, the Timelords still managed to reset its exterior shell appearance; then after the 1st doctor stole it, the reset was undone. Likely because it wasn't parked in the faulty TARDIS area anymore. This still requires the Doctor to have landed in the 1960s on his first trip, which is the perfect place for the only working disguise the TARDIS still has. The TARDIS could've chosen this place for him, though, as we know, she likes to choose places for the Doctor to travel to. We also know the TARDIS creates backups of future console rooms, so doing the same for exteriors would be perfectly reasonable to assume. The TARDIS then logically installed this backup sometime while the previous incarnations owned it. This would also mean the whole design of the TARDIS is a bootstrap paradox, and considering the nature of Doctor Who, this is clearly the most logical option.
Still, though, none of it makes any bloody sense.
Honestly, I think wasting Jo Martin's Doctor is going to be the thing Chibnall is remembered for. I don't like the idea of pre-Hartnell doctors, and the timeless children... it took an idea that I hate and made it worse. But really none of that even compares to casting the first black doctor, not letting them ever be the protagonist of the show, and relegating them to a side character.
Jo Martin was fantastic as the Doctor she should have been the 14th Doctor instead of giving her a grand total of 1 episode and 3 other scenes...
RTD fixed that
Luckily we've got RTD back to! ...do a bi-generation for the first (or I guess latest?) black doctor, wherein Tenants doctor (the most loved) is the protagonist, takes center stage, and sucks out any focus on Gatwa. If we can rely on British writers to do anything, it's apparently to fuck up this sort of thing.
@@AndyTheIrateAnt Yeah, honestly I really don't like bi-generation, I think it was stupid and added nothing. And if you want to add all the stuff the RTD has said behind the scenes about it... I hate it even more than the Timeless Children.
Hoping there's at least a few specials or movie length episodes with the fugitive Dr !! Want to know and see more
GIVE US MORE JO MARTIN.
WE NEED MORE JO MARTIN.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH JO MARTIN.
MAKE HER A JOINT PROTAGONIST WITH JODIE.
PUT HER IN A BIG FINISH DIVISION SERIES.
MORE JO MARTIN!!!!
For some reason, I read what your wrote in the voice of a Dalek in my head and now can't un-hear it 🤣
I might have got this slightly wrong but, did anyone notice how similar the room with the chamber in looks similar to the room with the time angel’s in last episode
One thing nice is when you realised even after the regenerations before Hartnell were forgotten, The Doctor still chose the name "Doctor", as if to say the Doctor will always return
Its the Doctor, not The Doctor and certainly not Doctor WHO!
Nope. william hartnell is the first doctor. No matter what chinballs says
She's brilliant!
Honestly The Fugitive Doctor was more interesting than the actual doctor in that series.
I really really really really really REALLY hope RTD brings The Fugitive Doctor back! It would be criminal to let such an excellent performance go to waste!
So far it's not happened. Probably won't as the timeless children idea has already been cherrypicked based on interviews since Chibnall's era ended. Big Finish will be great, though!
Jo Martin deserves a couple of series of her own as The Doctor, She feels more like the Doctor than Jodie does.
The Karen 'doctors' are an insult to the viewers who are deserting the show.
@@fivish Karen Doctors?
Great addition to make the Doctor mysterious. Timeless child sounds like The Master instead of the Doctor. Jo Martin was the star in Jodie's era
her theme is so good
Simple fix, The Timeless Child/ Fugitive Doctor is The Doctor from a parallel universe (maybe from Petes World)
Jo Martin's performance is a shining success in a sea of murky chaos. Hopefully she will have an opportunity to return for a special or two. Maybe Alex Kingston can be there too.
I still think that Ruth Doctor is an alternate universe Doctor.
Personally, I'd prefer if Jo Martin was like 2.5 or 2.7. We never saw Troughton regenerate into Pertwee. We also saw Troughton in the Two Doctors working for the Time Lords as penance. What if Martin fit in that gap? I dunno how this works really. I am curious to see what the endgame is to this. And I'm all for more of Jo Martin.
this goes against every rule made about the timelords
The doctor isnt much on old set rules but changes make the impossible possible but yeah its not logical at all i didnt liked the timless child idea because it techically destoyed the lore
But im glad jo is back
I quite like her. I feel the story is weak but has potential due to a good actress. Once you get over the fact it completely re-writes Dr who history that is.
I have to admit I am pleasently surprised on the welcome that the fugitives doctor is getting. But it makes me sad for Whittaker who just got the wrong end of the stick
Fun fact: this episode is the first epsiode which have 2 female doctors meet each other in doctor who history
By the way, the fugitive doctor reminds me of the 10th doctor transform himself into human to avoid get caught by the family of blood in the episodes "human nature" & "the family of blood"
The thing that gets me about this is that even though its heavily implied/confirmed that she is a pre-hartnell Doctor, the fact that her TARDIS is a police box in 2021, whether intentionally or not, suggests she could be a post-hartnell since it only got stuck in that form in the hands of the First Doctor. I'm sure the reason its a police box out of universe is because its showing the audience that its the same TARDIS The Doctor uses, but in-universe that doesn't make any sense. She's implied to be a Timeless Child incarnation, but she also seems like she could be post-Hartnell, but that doesn't make sense with the story being told. Its so confusing but Jo Martin is an amazing Doctor so I don't care that much. She gets a pass and I'm glad the general fandom is giving her one too despite universally hating the Timeless Child revelation.
Jo Martin has so much more gravitas than Whitaker
She's the part of home you always carry that will always remain no matter the crisis or change. The beacon. It doesn't need the entire signal just carry enough of home to search it out anew. She is a massive swerve from the progressions of the doctor but it didn't matter because if that line of progression of the doctor is home she will be inevitably drawn back. The core remains the same. All else is subject to anything.
I know this was posted a year ago but just have to say: this was beautifully written!
I so wish she could've been the Doctor instead of Jodie. She just felt Doctor-y as soon as she turned up, whereas I never felt that way about Thirteen. I would love to see her again in the future; maybe after Ncuti?
the Doctor meets the Doctor like that's never happened before🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What i never never understood was how would the doctors tardis be a police box before the first doctor. It specifically gets stuck in the first serial with cavemen
Sorry Jodie, but this actress really knows how to play the Doctor
Very sad that with a few minutes in the scene she turned out to be closer to the Doctor's character than Jodie.I like Jodie but...Jo is the Doctor in these scenes.
@@brunonaiz Jo Martin doesn't wear a kindergarten's teacher costume
She doesn't walk like someone who has constipation
She doesn't force to imitate other previous doctors
Edit: eita vc também é br e eu falando em ingreis
Sadly, I feel like Jodie could have been great with better writing. I am hoping for Big Finish to save her like they did Colin. :)
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Meh... I don't have a problem with either of them. Frankly, Ruth's version is really abrasive, like Hartnell's #1, or maybe Colin Baker's #6, to me. Not really my flavor. Guess some like that flavor, but.. definitely not my favorite.
Hopefully the fugitive doctor comes back for a couple episodes in the future
I do hope we see more of the Fugitive Doctor. Jo Martin is a brilliant Doctor.
Honestly, i would've preferred if they kept ambiguous as wether the Fugitive Doctor was a past or future regeneration
I want a young Fugitive Doctor learning to become The Doctor again.
I would like to see Jo Martin as the 14th doctor and I know how it could be done. The fugitive doctor could be a version of the doctor that has one incarnation and when she dies she becomes Ruth forever again. The 13th doctor saves Ruth like the 10th doctor did with Capaldi in the fires of pompey, then Ruth gets promoted as a tour guide to a bigger city which ends up being Sheffield and Bella gets saved along with her mum who both live in Sheffield and Bella has a relationship with Ryan. The 13th doctor ends up regenerating in the tardis into the 14th doctor who ends up being Jo Martin.
Um... what? That ... isn't how any of this works.
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Lol Jo Martin felt more doctory in her first line that Jodie did in two seasons xd
you have got to be kidding me
My headcanon has been she's 2.5
Recruited by The Celestial Intervention Agency and conscripted to do their dirty work. Eventually Fugitive grew tired and ran away again before being recaptured and forced to finish their Exile
Well, this wasn't an Incarnation. Remember she said she used the Chameleon Arch? Therefore, the First Doctor used the Arch to disguise himself in a Female Human body to throw the Time Lords off the trail so they could never find him/her.
I just realized another thing. The tardis only turned into a police box after its chameleon circuit broke when the doctor decided to settle in the 60's. There is no feasible way the fugitive doctor just decided to make her tardis a police box "on a whim" in modern Britain. Just another of the countless reasons why the timeless child was the most stupid thing to ever come out of dwho.
This is “fixed” by saying that the reason the the doctor/TARDIS chose to land in London 1963 is because they subconsciously remembered they had been there before. Which isn’t necessarily a great explanation, but it’s still an explanation
@@MichaelO2000 There are plenty of possibilities for anyone with imagination.
The TARDIS has a telepathic connection to the user so it could delve deep into the Doctor's memories that have been blocked out by the Doctor him/herself and remember that preferred shape, possibly to try to get the Doctor to remember.
The TARDIS has connections to all times and for the majority of it's existence it is a police box so chooses that shape as it's default. Even after the Doctor's death it keeps that shape as we've seen.
Maybe the TARDIS landed in the 60s, scanned and discovered a viable camouflage which was a police box which it then tried to mimic. The problem is the other police box was the same TARDIS from another time so it was trying to disguise itself as a police box disguised as a TARDIS which overloaded the chameleon circuit. This signal could be sent to both TARDISes causing both to be stuck. Basically coincidence.
She’s amazing! 🤯❤️
I love the fugitive doctor but I am surprised the tardis can't tell her which version came first. The tardis loves the doctor and presumably keeps tabs on these things plus nothing has implied it got its memory wiped. Oh well the mystery is cool all the same.
The Doctor owes herself a Coke at 3:33 😂
hope more Jo , im hoping they give her a full episode in the future special ones next year
She has just been given her own big finish audio series