Imma level with you chief, doesn’t matter for me, I just wait for the enemy to run out of siege weapons then f1 f2 all my archers to stand in front of one section of wall till they run out of arrows. Which is unsurprisingly effective when all you recruit are horse archers or regular archers mid to late game
24:40 Actually the best arrows are bodkin. They have only 1 less damage but they have a lot bigger stack amount. It's a lot better to have 60 +3 arrows than 50 +4
How so? Bodkins will last longer but they give less damage (180) over more time (60), whereas piercing give more damage (200) over less time (50). Having more arrows allows for more kills, but only if 1 arrow = 1 kill, and only the player can achieve this. So bodkins might be "the best" for yourself, the player, but for the AI troops it's probably more situational. Also, they're a different type of damage iirc. (Edit: typo)
@@zamzamazawarma928 No you got this wrong my friend. Because each shot does damage of BOW + ARROW not only the arrow. and since the bow has way higher damage then the arrow anyway overall more shots is almost always more damage. so the calc is like this: 60 * (62(bowdamage)+3 (arrow damage))= 60 * 65 =3900 vs 50* (62(bow damage)+4(arrow damage) = 50 * 66 =3300 damage total. so from the example above take the first 50 shots. with pierce arrows you do 50 more damage then with stacked bodkins but the base damage of the bow is higher than that so with only 1 more arrow fired the stacked bodkins overtake the pierce arrows in damage done. and then they still have loads more arrows to spare
@@DziaduSwierznowski Well thats only if you consider the damage done by the arrow but by far most of the damage per shot comes from the bow not the arrow, one extra shot from a stacked bodkin already compensates for more than all the extra damage gained from piercing arrows (see my comment below in response to to Zam)
Stacked Bodkin are my favourite too. Shots either kill in one shot or wound the target, then it takes two or three shots on a regular target. Some of the damage is absorbed, but say 40-60 gets through. Excess damage is lost so 1-3 more damage rarely matters. On the other hand, archers with two quivers don't often run out so you might prefer the extra damage.
Iv been watching a ton of your bannerlord stuff. One thing you dont mention (especially for sturgia) when thinking about troops and their uses with throwing weapons is that when they run out, an the battle desolves into a chaotic moshpit. These soldiers will find pick up an throw random weapons
I have an army of 50 Vanguard Faris and 50 Heavy Mamlukes and feel unstoppable in both field and sieges. I also keep a few dozen infantry around just to train up and drop off in garrisons when they hit tier 5. Those javelins do serious work when defending and of course they hurt people in melee too. Very fun army, I know the archers and palace guard are strong I just don't prioritize them because everything has been working so well with just Infantry for defending and Faris/Mamlukes for destroying enemy armies!
@@reflexgaming708 Yeah they still feel strong, biggest problem is availability, can be a bit tough to maintain. For example I recently hired about 10 Khuzait horse archers due to losses and not wanting to go all the way back to recruit Mamlukes, Faris seem to have pretty good staying power no real problems with them. Other lords are reckless with your troops like always so keep that in mind, a bad AI charge can wipe out even Cataphracts and Banner Knights so your cav, especially against Empire and Vlandia, needs to be under your control so they don't get suicided without proper support. Still not super micro intensive, but nothing is truly unstoppable I was being a bit dramatic in my comment lol.
@@reflexgaming708 Honestly, it can take a long while, but finding mounted mamelukes in developed towns is possible which helps. Needing to level up Mameluke infantry to become mounted archers can be a challenge. They're not that great an infantry unit and all those horses can be expensive. Also heavy mamelukes are way better than the regular mameluke archer which become most of the casualties I find. Outside of T5/6 Aserai can be pretty squishy if stuck in melee for too long or out ranged which hurts progression. BUT their T5/6 units go hard. Objectively I think an army of roughly 1/3 T5 veteran infantry/palace guards, 1/3 T5 master archers, 1/3 Vanguard Faris (priority on the archers always and ditch infantry for more Faris and Mameluke Cav against Khuzait) is the best core group you can have as it takes advantage of the Aserai's strong ranged damage/flexibility. Using Mameluke Cav to augment as needed as they take the most effort to recruit. But all cav armies are fun and definitely strong for the Aserai. Not a pro at this game so take with a grain of salt if you're trying to play optimally/meta, especially on the hardest difficulties. I mostly RP and try to make whatever I choose to play as work well enough.
I remember back then (e1.6 or 1.5) Aserai having the worst infantry line, it was a preasant surprise for me when I return in v1.0 xD The biggest weakness for Aserai army seems to be lords being a bit too passive while having rather aggressive neighbors like Vlandia, most of the time I just watch them take one or two castles in the mainland, then proceed to lose a big fight, and being snowballed back inland, then have to work their arse off to get back where they start.
the kuzait horse archer is better than the mamluke at being a horse archer but if you look at how long they last in your army, the mamlukes survive more.
legit the only troops that can stand up to me with an op axe mid game edit; I mean for a bit, like 90% I smash through easily, Aserai are much more durable
@@LordInter yes its not even their armor or something like that it's just that they fight much much more aggressive and smarter, they also swing way more often than every other units
I don't feel that is the case at all. Maybe it's bad AI tactics but when I helped an Aserai army that outnumbered an Imperial army by nearly half, it got absolutely crushed by the imperial army.
The Aserai Veteran infantry are extremely underrated. They have amazing armor and weapons even though they don’t have good leg armor every other stat is pretty good.
Other than that the empire, vlandia, and khuzaits beat the Aserai in every single way, and the battanian fian can defeat any Aserai unit. Aserai are trash.
I would agree with most of the video with the exception of the Mamluke Palace Guard. Compared tot he Veteran Infantry they end up doing about as many kills both in manual and auto-combat but end up losing twice as many each fight. I do not see a reason to go for this even though they would most likely kill high armor units faster.
Is that mixed in with an army or testing with just 2h units? I find 2h shock units work best when mixed with a solid shield wall and they aren't as exposed to cav and archers
@@zoanth4 This is for my standing army, I generally get 50 veterans and 50 mamluke + other infantry, archers, cav/horse archers etc. after a few fights i'm around 45ish veterans and 30 ish mamlukes. I ended up just dumping them in town garrisons since constantly replacing units became a hastle.
This very much depends on who you fight. Palace guard are really good against other high tier infantry they trade almost always above 1 kda. BUT veterans are WAAYY better at punching down (killing low tiers) because of their shield and good 1 handed. With the shield they can Block blows and missiles from low tiers meaning they take no damage at all and can slaughter loads where as the palace guard will take hits since they have no shield and will eventually die even to low tiers since damage accumulates over a battle. Since the AI does not field alot of high tier troops most of the time you will get a better ROI for your veterans and palace guard wil seem underwhelming at best
The Aserai Mamluke Cav (tier 4) does not have a "Solid horse" like you said. to be a tier 4 and not have a war mount but just a normal mount definitely does not make him have a "Solid horse"
That's why I like the Aserai military as a whole. Each unit is versatile, yet they don't overlap with each other. Vlandia and Sturgia for example, have multiple ground troops where some outclass another. Aserai's Noble line also doesn't overlap with it's own Regular Cav, unlike Khuzait and Vlandia. The Aserai have no real weaknesses.
I feel like even thier descendants in warband feel like this. I always felt they had no specialization unlike every other faction ( swadian shock cav, rhodock defense and crossbows) the sarranids just did everything well but not perfectly and that made them scary
If your faction goes to war with Aserai, Recruit roma- i mean Imperial Infantry (or their own Infantry lol) and Battanian Noble Archers I tried to fight them in a Siege with Vlandian troops and it didn't went well lol
I seriously appreciate this review, fantastic job. Just my two cents from playing the Aserai since early access: Such bullshit that Aserai survivability depends on random, totally unpredictable, javelin throwing. Their Tier 5 infantry and even noble line cavalry get absolutely massacred by other factions. Vlandia is the OP faction alongside the Empire. The Aserai are objectively and provably the worst faction across the board, aside from the Aserai Master Archer, which is maybe the 3rd best archer, but has the worst tier 5 melee for archers. Phrases like *"Well it depends on how you use them"* are another way of saying they suck/are hard to use, and need to be very particularly used to be even mediocre. Just an absolute shit faction imo that gets little to no attention or improvement from TaleWorld. They need massive buffs across the board.
@@raja2850 sergeants got nerfed so hard they are pretty meh. besides, vlandia troops start getting decent at tier 5, while aserai only need tier 3 to ramp up into stupid territory.
@@theheatinferno8420 I mean hes already uploaded every nation. So technically he literally gave you the full tier 5 list. Lol your just being to lazy to pull up each video and go to the last time stamp marked "Army Review" to see the mid or high rating. It would take you less than 1 minute to do guy. Dont be the lazy internet guy
@@mikerhem1273 Well yes and no, the rating given here is a rating compared to its peers in their role. so if he says a heroic linebreaker is high tier this means high tier comapred to other SHOCK infantry, this does not specify if it can win against a high tier shield infantry such as the veteran. Plus if you have multiple high ratings you dont know which is better. But i do have to say that ranking a tier 5 by their ability to kill tier 5 is not that useful since they AI rarely fields a lot of tier 5. Its actually more important how they perform fighting the lower tiers since thats what the bulk of an AI army consists of.
The axe of the aserai mameluke guard is sadly pretty much useless when you sit on a horse. It's way too short. Any other 2 handed weapon is better there.
I dislike their use of Mamlukes as an alternate line for the basic soldier. The Mamlukes were a slave-soldier class. It'd have been more accurate as a label if you could convert recruits from other cultures into the Mamluke lines as a member of the Aserai culture.
Lol man I swear with every upload I get more confused about infantry. First it was the empire and sturgia with the best tier 6 infantry because there tanky, Now we got Aserai at the top because those throwing weapons shyt on shields and health before the first line clash. Whelp guess its time to dump this 150 man sturgia shield wall for some flying javelins
Sturgian infantry still strong af, I've ran an elite cataphract unit through every shield wall in the game, but the sturgians were not fuckin impressed, no give to that line.
If you ever update or recap these videos, cover each line for all tiers before switching to the next! Also you could evaluate tier 4 and 5 troops and cover the (2 and) 3 tiers as a kind of tax or minor plus. Tier 3 just have to survive leveling up how good it is doesn't matter and I'd skip tier 2 entirely. Then you can compare an equal spread of 3, 4 and 5. When comparing the noble lines, after a disclaimer tier 6 makes all non noble look bad, also only compare 3, 4 and 5.
If you had noticed that there have been various mods that change the trees and details of troop tree to suit the players taste like at some point a mod addded gorila wariors in battanias troop tree some nogai of khuzait was changed and there was another tier after the fian champion those were not fully explained it would be nice to bring back some good idea that bannerlord had made but did not full contribute in it
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The lack of camelry among the Aserai just feels weird given there is literally a camel in their culture picture.
During sieges, short range melee weapons helps a lot, as anything long will get blocked by the walls and other combatants.
Imma level with you chief, doesn’t matter for me, I just wait for the enemy to run out of siege weapons then f1 f2 all my archers to stand in front of one section of wall till they run out of arrows.
Which is unsurprisingly effective when all you recruit are horse archers or regular archers mid to late game
24:40 Actually the best arrows are bodkin. They have only 1 less damage but they have a lot bigger stack amount. It's a lot better to have 60 +3 arrows than 50 +4
How so? Bodkins will last longer but they give less damage (180) over more time (60), whereas piercing give more damage (200) over less time (50). Having more arrows allows for more kills, but only if 1 arrow = 1 kill, and only the player can achieve this. So bodkins might be "the best" for yourself, the player, but for the AI troops it's probably more situational. Also, they're a different type of damage iirc. (Edit: typo)
@@zamzamazawarma928 Damn, math around this was so simple yet still i needed your help to handle it. You're right!
@@zamzamazawarma928 No you got this wrong my friend. Because each shot does damage of BOW + ARROW not only the arrow. and since the bow has way higher damage then the arrow anyway overall more shots is almost always more damage. so the calc is like this: 60 * (62(bowdamage)+3 (arrow damage))= 60 * 65 =3900 vs 50* (62(bow damage)+4(arrow damage) = 50 * 66 =3300 damage total. so from the example above take the first 50 shots. with pierce arrows you do 50 more damage then with stacked bodkins but the base damage of the bow is higher than that so with only 1 more arrow fired the stacked bodkins overtake the pierce arrows in damage done. and then they still have loads more arrows to spare
@@DziaduSwierznowski Well thats only if you consider the damage done by the arrow but by far most of the damage per shot comes from the bow not the arrow, one extra shot from a stacked bodkin already compensates for more than all the extra damage gained from piercing arrows (see my comment below in response to to Zam)
Stacked Bodkin are my favourite too. Shots either kill in one shot or wound the target, then it takes two or three shots on a regular target. Some of the damage is absorbed, but say 40-60 gets through. Excess damage is lost so 1-3 more damage rarely matters.
On the other hand, archers with two quivers don't often run out so you might prefer the extra damage.
Iv been watching a ton of your bannerlord stuff. One thing you dont mention (especially for sturgia) when thinking about troops and their uses with throwing weapons is that when they run out, an the battle desolves into a chaotic moshpit. These soldiers will find pick up an throw random weapons
Appreciate the vids. This game is huge, my PC is busted and this is the best game on Xbox lol
Ive watched cav units run to mounts just to use their riding in battle after they were dismounted
I have an army of 50 Vanguard Faris and 50 Heavy Mamlukes and feel unstoppable in both field and sieges. I also keep a few dozen infantry around just to train up and drop off in garrisons when they hit tier 5. Those javelins do serious work when defending and of course they hurt people in melee too. Very fun army, I know the archers and palace guard are strong I just don't prioritize them because everything has been working so well with just Infantry for defending and Faris/Mamlukes for destroying enemy armies!
Are they still this strong?
I am doing a aserai campaign and want to use this army style 50-50 Mameluke and vanguard faris
@@reflexgaming708 Yeah they still feel strong, biggest problem is availability, can be a bit tough to maintain. For example I recently hired about 10 Khuzait horse archers due to losses and not wanting to go all the way back to recruit Mamlukes, Faris seem to have pretty good staying power no real problems with them. Other lords are reckless with your troops like always so keep that in mind, a bad AI charge can wipe out even Cataphracts and Banner Knights so your cav, especially against Empire and Vlandia, needs to be under your control so they don't get suicided without proper support. Still not super micro intensive, but nothing is truly unstoppable I was being a bit dramatic in my comment lol.
@@TheSmrtAlec thanks for the reply!
Just wondering how long it would take to rebuild a whole army of Mamelukes if you have lots of casualties?
Thanks!
@@reflexgaming708 Honestly, it can take a long while, but finding mounted mamelukes in developed towns is possible which helps. Needing to level up Mameluke infantry to become mounted archers can be a challenge. They're not that great an infantry unit and all those horses can be expensive. Also heavy mamelukes are way better than the regular mameluke archer which become most of the casualties I find. Outside of T5/6 Aserai can be pretty squishy if stuck in melee for too long or out ranged which hurts progression. BUT their T5/6 units go hard.
Objectively I think an army of roughly 1/3 T5 veteran infantry/palace guards, 1/3 T5 master archers, 1/3 Vanguard Faris (priority on the archers always and ditch infantry for more Faris and Mameluke Cav against Khuzait) is the best core group you can have as it takes advantage of the Aserai's strong ranged damage/flexibility. Using Mameluke Cav to augment as needed as they take the most effort to recruit. But all cav armies are fun and definitely strong for the Aserai. Not a pro at this game so take with a grain of salt if you're trying to play optimally/meta, especially on the hardest difficulties. I mostly RP and try to make whatever I choose to play as work well enough.
Wow, thanks for all the info, and all the hard work you have done.
Cheers, great work here ty.
I remember back then (e1.6 or 1.5) Aserai having the worst infantry line, it was a preasant surprise for me when I return in v1.0 xD
The biggest weakness for Aserai army seems to be lords being a bit too passive while having rather aggressive neighbors like Vlandia, most of the time I just watch them take one or two castles in the mainland, then proceed to lose a big fight, and being snowballed back inland, then have to work their arse off to get back where they start.
Sounds like high time to bless the Aserai with a sudden upgrade of leadership 😈
@@corpsefoot758 and whynot make them fly at the same time lol
They so OP, kind of game breaking.
I'm new to the game, thanks for the info
the kuzait horse archer is better than the mamluke at being a horse archer but if you look at how long they last in your army, the mamlukes survive more.
Aserai infantry troops are op asf
legit the only troops that can stand up to me with an op axe mid game
edit; I mean for a bit, like 90% I smash through easily, Aserai are much more durable
@@LordInter yes its not even their armor or something like that it's just that they fight much much more aggressive and smarter, they also swing way more often than every other units
I don't feel that is the case at all. Maybe it's bad AI tactics but when I helped an Aserai army that outnumbered an Imperial army by nearly half, it got absolutely crushed by the imperial army.
The Aserai Veteran infantry are extremely underrated. They have amazing armor and weapons even though they don’t have good leg armor every other stat is pretty good.
Other than that the empire, vlandia, and khuzaits beat the Aserai in every single way, and the battanian fian can defeat any Aserai unit. Aserai are trash.
I would agree with most of the video with the exception of the Mamluke Palace Guard. Compared tot he Veteran Infantry they end up doing about as many kills both in manual and auto-combat but end up losing twice as many each fight. I do not see a reason to go for this even though they would most likely kill high armor units faster.
Is that mixed in with an army or testing with just 2h units? I find 2h shock units work best when mixed with a solid shield wall and they aren't as exposed to cav and archers
@@zoanth4 This is for my standing army, I generally get 50 veterans and 50 mamluke + other infantry, archers, cav/horse archers etc. after a few fights i'm around 45ish veterans and 30 ish mamlukes. I ended up just dumping them in town garrisons since constantly replacing units became a hastle.
This very much depends on who you fight. Palace guard are really good against other high tier infantry they trade almost always above 1 kda. BUT veterans are WAAYY better at punching down (killing low tiers) because of their shield and good 1 handed. With the shield they can Block blows and missiles from low tiers meaning they take no damage at all and can slaughter loads where as the palace guard will take hits since they have no shield and will eventually die even to low tiers since damage accumulates over a battle. Since the AI does not field alot of high tier troops most of the time you will get a better ROI for your veterans and palace guard wil seem underwhelming at best
Great video. Bannerlord is my favorite Anatolian peasant slaughter simulator.
Nice tutorial thank
The Aserai Mamluke Cav (tier 4) does not have a "Solid horse" like you said. to be a tier 4 and not have a war mount but just a normal mount definitely does not make him have a "Solid horse"
I am doing a complete archer and infantry and I’m steam rolling over armies. Its lowkey sad 🤣
That's why I like the Aserai military as a whole. Each unit is versatile, yet they don't overlap with each other. Vlandia and Sturgia for example, have multiple ground troops where some outclass another. Aserai's Noble line also doesn't overlap with it's own Regular Cav, unlike Khuzait and Vlandia.
The Aserai have no real weaknesses.
- they have *only* weaknesses and no real strengths. None of their units stack up to tier 5 or tier 6 units of other factions.
I feel like even thier descendants in warband feel like this. I always felt they had no specialization unlike every other faction ( swadian shock cav, rhodock defense and crossbows) the sarranids just did everything well but not perfectly and that made them scary
If your faction goes to war with Aserai, Recruit roma- i mean Imperial Infantry (or their own Infantry lol) and Battanian Noble Archers
I tried to fight them in a Siege with Vlandian troops and it didn't went well lol
I seriously appreciate this review, fantastic job.
Just my two cents from playing the Aserai since early access:
Such bullshit that Aserai survivability depends on random, totally unpredictable, javelin throwing. Their Tier 5 infantry and even noble line cavalry get absolutely massacred by other factions. Vlandia is the OP faction alongside the Empire. The Aserai are objectively and provably the worst faction across the board, aside from the Aserai Master Archer, which is maybe the 3rd best archer, but has the worst tier 5 melee for archers.
Phrases like *"Well it depends on how you use them"* are another way of saying they suck/are hard to use, and need to be very particularly used to be even mediocre.
Just an absolute shit faction imo that gets little to no attention or improvement from TaleWorld. They need massive buffs across the board.
Vlandia has no useable troops besides the noble and cross bow line
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@@raja2850 sergeants got nerfed so hard they are pretty meh. besides, vlandia troops start getting decent at tier 5, while aserai only need tier 3 to ramp up into stupid territory.
Use the aserai vanguard fairs against the horse archers.
Can you make a video comparing the tier 5 troops to each other?
I mean, technically this series does lol
@@zoanth4 but in reality it doesn't lol. Tier list, of tier lists please 😎
@@theheatinferno8420 I mean hes already uploaded every nation. So technically he literally gave you the full tier 5 list. Lol your just being to lazy to pull up each video and go to the last time stamp marked "Army Review" to see the mid or high rating. It would take you less than 1 minute to do guy. Dont be the lazy internet guy
this is the one he made for shield infantry ruclips.net/video/DAPNLV94lXQ/видео.html
@@mikerhem1273 Well yes and no, the rating given here is a rating compared to its peers in their role. so if he says a heroic linebreaker is high tier this means high tier comapred to other SHOCK infantry, this does not specify if it can win against a high tier shield infantry such as the veteran. Plus if you have multiple high ratings you dont know which is better. But i do have to say that ranking a tier 5 by their ability to kill tier 5 is not that useful since they AI rarely fields a lot of tier 5. Its actually more important how they perform fighting the lower tiers since thats what the bulk of an AI army consists of.
The axe of the aserai mameluke guard is sadly pretty much useless when you sit on a horse. It's way too short. Any other 2 handed weapon is better there.
Please do minor factions and bandits
Littlebit sad that the Cav arent camels^^
I've seen ai mount a horse I jumped off my horse to fight on foot and it took my shit.
Gotta love some bannerlord
Good stuff, comment.
I dislike their use of Mamlukes as an alternate line for the basic soldier. The Mamlukes were a slave-soldier class. It'd have been more accurate as a label if you could convert recruits from other cultures into the Mamluke lines as a member of the Aserai culture.
3rd for spartacus not knowing what smattering means
Ok I can’t keep silent anymore. WHY DO YOU SOUND SO MUCH LIKE SAL KHAN
💀💀
Lol man I swear with every upload I get more confused about infantry. First it was the empire and sturgia with the best tier 6 infantry because there tanky, Now we got Aserai at the top because those throwing weapons shyt on shields and health before the first line clash. Whelp guess its time to dump this 150 man sturgia shield wall for some flying javelins
Dont need to. Sturgia actually rocks if you dismount the Drushnik and combine Inf with shock troops
Sturgian infantry still strong af, I've ran an elite cataphract unit through every shield wall in the game, but the sturgians were not fuckin impressed, no give to that line.
If you ever update or recap these videos, cover each line for all tiers before switching to the next!
Also you could evaluate tier 4 and 5 troops and cover the (2 and) 3 tiers as a kind of tax or minor plus. Tier 3 just have to survive leveling up how good it is doesn't matter and I'd skip tier 2 entirely. Then you can compare an equal spread of 3, 4 and 5.
When comparing the noble lines, after a disclaimer tier 6 makes all non noble look bad, also only compare 3, 4 and 5.
Well aren’t you bossy…
I'm not doing well with my ass military
It would have been nice if u added improved medded troop trees of various factions like banner kings and before
If you had noticed that there have been various mods that change the trees and details of troop tree to suit the players taste like at some point a mod addded gorila wariors in battanias troop tree some nogai of khuzait was changed and there was another tier after the fian champion those were not fully explained it would be nice to bring back some good idea that bannerlord had made but did not full contribute in it
You are pronouncing "Stronk" incorrectly
Welcome to Mount&Blade: Aserai Bias
HAHAHHA
They're literally the worst faction in the entire game.
@@Carl007Jr this video contradics your point, what is your backup? EDIT: nvm you're arab, so its probably just emotional investment talking. thats ok.
I hope taleworld doesn't develop the game based on your opinion
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