I was thinking like you in the beginning - the FTZ adapter means all I'll need are just the Z bodies. Truth is, it didn't take me long to realize how much better it is to pair the Z bodies with their native lenses. Better handling and balance, not to mention overall better lens performance
I can't deny that Z bodies are better with their native lenses, as you say lens performance and definitely focus ability. I don't even rule out getting a Z70-200mm at some point. However, I stand by the statement that if you already have F mount lenses and a DSLR, the performance is not £2000 better.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 I'm hoping that the Z 200-600mm on the road map is going to be affordable like the 200-500 f/5.6. Seems like it could be a great multipurpose lens. hopefully it's a little lighter in hand than the 200-500 also. that will be a great sports lens I think and hopefully won't cost as much as a good used car.
Very pleasing and dynamic way to speak! What a dilemma !!! D850 vs Z7ii . I would prefer the D850 for its stunning OVF. But for sure mirror less features are so appealing !… well I still didn’t make my choice and keep on going with my DS3 / D3X / Df
@@seancameronphotographic3740 I had a D850 in the past before my switch to the L Mount system (Z6 and Z7) didn’t convince me. Now I’m back to Nikon. I recently found a D810 with 200 shutter counts at a good price !
Iv got 2 d850s with full set of pro lenses from 14mm- 600mm all f4 and below , iv tried z9s for the odd day , but the electric viewfinder and silent shutter just doesnt do it ,
The eye focus and focus tracking is the reason I will be switching to the Z’s. I’m trying to figure out how to buy the z9 as the high fps and better higher useable iso, compared to D850 are needed in my world. I think I’ll be keeping the d850, but will leave the door open for other Z cameras to replace it. But you can’t lose with two great bodies!
I can understand that totally. In certain ways I've regretted trading in my D850 a while back but, the Z9 has kind of redeemed me. I've still kept a D5 though.
as somebody that use several Zeiss lenses on a 850 and love, love love the image quality when paired together I am keeping my 850 but have purchased a Z7ll and hoping the same quality. The big thing for me is having IBIS, as Zeiss are all manual focus anyway, yes I have several autofocus lenses but I still enjoy the manual focusing
I shoot single point auto focus 95% of the time. But when it comes to action or portraits I do the auto area with eye tracking (I have a hard enough time keeping an eye on the composition and the camera level - and a poor job at that as it is) gets the nod. Distressingly I'm finding the Z6II is about as good as my Z7 for landscape (at the sizes I print, nothing large) so a Z7II is out of the question. Not sure if it will fit your use case, but the new 105mm macro is a killer lens. She's a keeper.
I think I've got so used to using either single point focus or Dynamic 9 points with the DSLR, that I've only recently started to notice and test with the Z series. I must say I've become quite reliant on it with portraits for the very reasons you say. I'm going to test the 3d and face tracking with the D5 at some point. That may be interesting. The 105mm looks stunning but I've not got my hands on it yet.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Sounds like we shot with DSLR's using the same technique. People like Hudson Henry (Portland OR, USA) have said using the Z series and their auto focus modes - you really have to change the way you do things - and trust the camera more. It's a learning curve for sure!
Thank you so much for those kind words my friend. I think Nikon feel that the mirrorless version of the D850 is the Z7ii. However, I know we are really hoping that the Z9 will live up to expectations and really deliver. Nikon are more than capable of it.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 The mirrorless D850 will be the Z7ii with the new processor and possibly a 60-70mpx BSI-CMOS sensor to take advantage of the speed and power of the new processor without the dynamic range deficiency of the stacked sensor (minor but there). This will put it, the "Z8"" in the same ballpark of the reduced sized medium format with a bevy of good new and good vintage glass already available so entry will be reasonably low-risk investment. I'd be surprised if thats not in the works already for this time next year.
Sorry to say this; but it also have to do with economy. If I had the money, I could buy the Z9! But I don't have it, so I enjoy my D500. (And the F100) Thanks anyway!
The camera of the month club has done more to push people away from professional photography more than an other thing. I'm sticking with my F lenses and bodies.
If anything Richard, I see more people taking pictures for next to nothing because cameras today are so much easier. Don't get me started on what camera phones have done to the industry.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 A camera phone will never compete with a Pro camera. Unfortunately Pro cameras have priced themselves away from consumers.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 When consumers see that the newest camera body will cost them 1/4 the price of a car it tends to scare them back to their phone.
Hello, thank you for videos. so I have a Nikon D4 and I need a focus indicator on the screen when I take the video with manual focus..do you know plugins or programs for that?
Hi Loseb, you already have one at the bottom left when you're looking through the viewfinder. Its a little spot that flashes until it finds focus and stays on. www.bhphotovideo.com/lit_files/42034.pdf Page 25
Great comparison. I'm trying to figure out if I should move on from my Nikon D850. Not that it is doing a bad job in any way - far from it! But the weight and the lack of IBIS, which I find very useful, is noticeable.
That's really interesting Edwin, and IBIS isn't something I mentioned. Apart from not using VR I guess. Maybe I should have said something about it. I tend to use quite high shutter speeds, even with portraits, so it's not something I notice. I really like the D850 and have used it for studio etc frequently. One the reasons I have swapped it for the Z7ii that I didn't mention, is the ease that I can tether it to a screen so the client can see what I'm shooting.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Good points. I prefer IBIS because the vast majority of my portraits shots are outside, and if I'm shooting in very low light (past sunset), I'm trying to balance noise versus capturing the motion. I tend to use moderate shutter speeds at best in the darker hours.
Weight makes a big difference, but I’ve started working out again. It also makes a difference. I’ll be shooting swimming on Wednesday, 2 basketball games Friday, ski jumping on Saturday and Sunday. At somewhere north of 65 the more I workout the lighter the d850 and lenses feel. Hopefully I’m ready for the z9!
A very relaxed review / comparison / personal view of those cameras. Especially about the FTZ adapter. Good to know that you can upgrade step by step and not have to buy into a new ecosystem at once. If that was the case, why not switch completely to another brand (Fuji GFX for example would be an interesting option, but also the X-T4). Sure, the new glass will be better. That's why they made the choice to change the mount. Also, it will be interesting to see what is going to happen in the market of used cameras and lenses. Prices might drop and a D850 body might suddenly be still an interesting buy for the small(er) budgets.
I will be revisiting the subject of new glass in a future video. I think that if the Z9 isn't a decent pro camera then there could be quite few second-hand Nikons on the market sadly
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Thank you for letting me know this. We have to wait and see how it goes with Nikon. Personally, I hope they survive all this and get out stronger. Good to have at least 4 brands out there (Canon, Fuji, Nikon and Sony - alphabetical order).
Z lenses are better on Z cameras, but I also found that F mount and DX F mount lenses are better on Z cameras than they were on F mount and F mount DX cameras. The Nikon Z 6ii is the first *camera* I have ever purchased where the camera makes the difference. Usually, the lens is the more important factor. Then came Z cameras.
I guess that F mount lenses working better on Z cameras depends on the lens and DSLR Lawrence. I think that top glass is still important but some of those mirrorless cameras have certainly levelled the curve more than DSLRs ever did
Anytime the beast d850 , pretty much that camera has no major competitor in that price range or even more. I agree the other one has better processor , more afs .. the word more has no ending in terms of there is not major in difference in final output I am mostly landscape shooter , anytime a heavy body has no match to light mirrorless
I think if I was purely doing landscapes or portraits I’d have stuck with the D850 and in some ways I regret the move. However I was convinced by this test and had to be lead by my convictions at the time. I hadn’t realised at the time, the large part played by the z70-200 unfortunately
Sean for a customer like you with a d5 and d850, I would wait until the Z9 came out, unless video was paramount for you. Now if you got a smoking deal, maybe, but there is just too much tech coming and as you said with the lenses you are set. The z cameras are no where near as bad as originally stated, but the autofocus still needs some work. If you have any Nikon d lenses, like I do they will be manual focus only on the FTZ adapter.
Good point about the D mount lenses, I'm certainly waiting for the Z9 with baited breath (along with everyone else). It really needs to be great. Having now used the Z7ii on various pro shoots I do kind of miss the D850 but I'm going to chat about that in a later video
Thank you so much, I do miss miss the D850, though I think in retrospect that anything moving does actually require the Z mounted lens. However, the Z7ii works well with portraits and studio work which is why I had the D850 in the first place.
Ah, but is it £2000 better than the 2 x 70-200mm f2.8 F mount lenses that I already have? I can buy an FTZ mount for £269 and the difference is negligible.
It's amazing that Nikon still can't get the eye of the eagle in such clear situation. I will recommend using the box, but still I don't know what makes them believe they can build a decent mirrorless flagship. The should have gone with a z8 with the technology of the Z9 and wait a little to learn how to do a better job.
I'm concerned that you misunderstood me Jaime, the Z7ii was great focusing, it was the D850 that failed. I think there are a lot of us who are apprehensive about the Z9 but maybe Nikon are worried about being left further behind if they don't produce a flagship mirrorless. I personally, would prefer it if they produced a D7 with the technology that was originally promised with the D6 but maybe they're gone as far as they can with the DSLR. There's a certain historical symmetry I guess, finishing with the D6 as the F6 was the last pro film camera
@@seancameronphotographic3740 No I did not. But thanks for the clarification. The Z7 II for example failed with eye AF on the static eagle. The system is great, but it's not a match for what the other dudes have. Thanks again.
Ah, in that case I misunderstood you Jaime, yes that was a surprise I was expecting it to capture the eye. I think we're all expecting (and hoping) for a good improvement from the next firmware update.
You are wrong about the autofocusing tracking on the D850. I have both cameras and the D850 beats the Z7ii by far. just looking at your set up shooting the falcons, any pro BIF photographer can see your mistakes. Weak to say the least.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Well, is not opinion. It is fact. It's the other way around. Yours is an opinion. The D850 when used to it's full potential has a better AF tracking than the Z7II. The prof is in the pudding. When we look at your actions based upon your video we can see lots of mistakes. You can't just decide to compare cameras like these with poor knowledge on how to photograph BIF. There's a lot of people like that. They come to youtube and talk as if they were authority on what they are doing and say things that are completely off base. Take to heart and let it sink in. It is harder to keep ignoring then just admit our limitations ;-)
I was polite to you the first time, please extend the same courtesy to me. The D850 has less focus options than the Z7ii surely? I could have used Dynamic Area, in fact I did. I could also have quoted Group Area. In all honesty I haven't found these as fast as the Z7ii with the Z70-200 lens. Throughout my videos I make it clear that this is my opinion and findings.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 I have no intention to be rude with you at all. If you felt so, I apologize. I am focusing on the specific BIF auto-focusing tracking statements made. The Z7II is superior in many aspects compared to the D850. But, again, not in BIF tracking auto-focusing capabilities. In that specific issue the D850 beats the Z7ii by far.
As a long long long time Nikon shooter with a LOT of old glass..... I am going to Canon. The R5 is AMAZING and the adapters work better than Nikons. Still prefer the Nikon color, but Nikon is SO behind the times as far as what a modern camera can do. Nikon is still a rotary phone while everyone else is a new cell phone. I hated to change but Nikon is just too far behind on everything.... including video with the Z cameras.
That’s sad news, not just because a long term Nikon user is jumping ship, but more importantly that you’ve lost confidence in the company. I think a lot of others will be following if there is no D7 and a substandard Z9. I’m surprised that you don’t like the Z6ii /Z7ii video performance, it what I use and I’m really impressed with the quality, though to be honest I haven’t tested that aspect with Canon or Sony. I haven’t tested the R5 yet but I had a session for a day with the R6 that will be my next video. Not giving anything away but they’ll be a follow up test to answer a few of my questions.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Sean, thank you for the reply!! I have mixed feelings about switching, but I think it is time. I have loved the video functions of the D780 taking the autofocus from the Z6 and I got my Nikon color and have used it to film my music videos. Then...... I tried my Canon! Still miles ahead of anything Nikon offers for video autofocus, tracking birds in flight. I do a lot of birding as well as events and the Zs just missed more than than got. Sony has a great autofocus, but the color is like cardboard - dull and flat. I will NEVER pick up another Sony again and would pick my old D800 over the Sony A1 all day long. But then I stumbled on Canon..... LOL. I am not going to wait for Nikon. The R6 has a smaller sensor than the R5 but should have all the same bell and whistles. I would be surprised if you are not blown away. Unfortunately Nikon is pushing CDs and cassettes but the world has moved on to streaming and digital downloads...... And yes - it bothers me. I can do all that with technique learned over the years, but I want tool that work better with the latest tech. Thank you again Sean!!
I'm not sure you're going to like my next video about the R6 John, but stay with it as I think it's going to lead on to a second R6 test because I'm confused. I think Canon's news about the R3 eye tracking could be a Sony beater if it works better than it did with the EOS 3. And I agree totally with you, the Sony colours should not need adjusting in camera to get somewhere near right
@@seancameronphotographic3740 No worries at all - we all are looing for something different in a camera and that is the beauty of the art of photography and how we present what we shoot. I can say that I have been blown away by Canon so far for what I do mostly - birding. In the back of my head, I keep hope alive that Nikon will come out with something amazing. I am selling most of my Nikon stuff, but not my long primes. I will hold on to those to keep my hope alive!! 🤗
Hi Dale, I'm not sure what happened to you comment but in reply, I was designing a new trade stand and my logo wouldn't stand out enough. My first idea was to do a black circle but it wasn't very sharp looking so I though a diamond would look better. It wasn't until we put it up at a show that I saw the Jacobs Cracker connection. Now I'm known on the circuit as "the cracker man" :)
@@seancameronphotographic3740 I said it looked like Jacobs Cream Crackers. Be great to get them to sponsor you. I love cream crackers, so it wasn't an insult ;-)
Very interesting video. I have given up trying to photograph anything in actual flight with my z6 ii. Yes you did good when the birds actually start the flight but I expected my z6 ii to be better than my D500 and was very disappointed. I truly regret buying it and am looking to trade it now. I see some are already on the second hand market so I am not alone. Great for portrait and landscape I totally agree. I reckon the Cannon will really open your eyes. I do feel Nikon have sold us a bit of a pup with these z cameras. The auto focus I feel should do what the D500 did with regard to tracking moving subjects at least or better. Cannon and Sony can track bif so why can't Nikon. I suppose if you look at the market share of the camera manufacturers that perhaps is a guide as to why Nikon seems to have rushed out these current z cameras to try and stop current nikon owners moving brands. The fabled Z9 has a burden on its shoulders like no other Nikon before it in my view. If that is not equal to or better than the A1 or R6 then Nikon are basically done as a major force I think. I will not be able to afford a Z9 anyway so it is not an issue for me. Having 13% of the market against Sony and Cannon who have some 30/40% each really puts it into focus. Sorry for such a long rant.
Don't apologise Edward, I think most Nikon users are worried about the Z9. I've been quite vocal about the D6 and what a disappointment it was after all the hype. I was about to put my name down for one until I saw the final specs compared to my D5. I'm hugely aware that Canon and Sony have produce some stunning cameras and Nikon is playing catch up, but don't give up on them. The Z series take some getting used to after DSLRs and I felt the same way about the Z6 when I first got it (mainly for it's video capabilities) but I'm quite impressed with the Z6ii and have even used it for Dog Agility. As I've said before, I'm a bit old school and have only trusted single point focus or Dynamic 9 before so my expectation of the tracking bar was pretty low. I've done a tracking test with various cameras and I think the results are going to be unpopular. But that's for another day :)
@Edward Walker, If you check acclaimed wildlife Morten Hilmer's channel here on youtube, you will see he is perfactly happy with his Z6 & Z6 II. He has clearly taken the time to learn how to get the best out of these cameras. While the Nikon Z's are not as capable as Canon & Sony offerings, they are nowhere near as bad as some people are making out. There is also a firmware update due next month for the Z6 & 7 II so that should hopefully improve things further.
@@Johnmell100 Thanks John I will give that a look but I think I am quite familiar with the system now but any new ideas are welcome. I am really just waiting to see what this latest update does to the camera before the final go or stay decision.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Yes I am one of those concerned about the Z9. Nikon is not ready. They should have introduced a. Z8 with the technology and wait for the next olympics. Canon is waiting and they do have amazing autofocus technology. The D6 was an unnecessary failure. I understand that the AF is simply fantastic, but very few are going to test it with the sensor with a dynamic range that is worse than the D4. If they have but a good. 24 pixel modern sensor on it, an video like the. D780 people with look into it. If the AF is as good as what many people are saying. (for a DSLR) that will be a compelling camera for some people.
I've said for a while now, had Nikon called the D6 the D5s and had they not promised so much that they had to withdraw it, in the couple of weeks before presenting it to the world, then they might have got away with it. It was a major let down at a time they least needed it for their reputation. Their last big flagship success was the D4s unfortunately. I do believe in Nikon and I truly believe that the Z6ii and Z7ii are really good cameras capable of great shots and stunning video. However, if Nikon are going to replace the pro DSLR's with the Z9, then it has to be bombproof technologically and at least equal to what the D6s / D7 would have been, otherwise it serves no purpose other than losing pro and public support. Equally, I'm not sure where they would position a Z8 in the line up. The Z6ii and Z7ii have powerful engines, a really good firmware update could get them a lot closer to their rivals.
I'm guessing you are a Sony or Canon shooter Jeffrey, actually I do shoot film and enjoy it immensely. Nikon are a firmware update or two behind you buddy, just that magical update...
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Oh, you actually do shoot film 📷😂👍. Good for you! You're wrong about what I shoot too. Nikon baby, all the way, and my Nikon gear does everything I need it to do, today, now. All the best to you though!
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I was thinking like you in the beginning - the FTZ adapter means all I'll need are just the Z bodies. Truth is, it didn't take me long to realize how much better it is to pair the Z bodies with their native lenses. Better handling and balance, not to mention overall better lens performance
I can't deny that Z bodies are better with their native lenses, as you say lens performance and definitely focus ability. I don't even rule out getting a Z70-200mm at some point. However, I stand by the statement that if you already have F mount lenses and a DSLR, the performance is not £2000 better.
100% agree with this statement. the Z bodies really perform best with Z mount glass
Embarrassingly, I'm starting to agree with you for sports
@@seancameronphotographic3740 I'm hoping that the Z 200-600mm on the road map is going to be affordable like the 200-500 f/5.6. Seems like it could be a great multipurpose lens. hopefully it's a little lighter in hand than the 200-500 also. that will be a great sports lens I think and hopefully won't cost as much as a good used car.
I must admit that I'm looking forward to finding out about that too
Very pleasing and dynamic way to speak!
What a dilemma !!! D850 vs Z7ii . I would prefer the D850 for its stunning OVF.
But for sure mirror less features are so appealing !… well I still didn’t make my choice and keep on going with my DS3 / D3X / Df
It was an impossible choice, and I'm still not sure if I did the right thing
@@seancameronphotographic3740 I had a D850 in the past before my switch to the L Mount system (Z6 and Z7) didn’t convince me. Now I’m back to Nikon. I recently found a D810 with 200 shutter counts at a good price !
Iv got 2 d850s with full set of pro lenses from 14mm- 600mm all f4 and below , iv tried z9s for the odd day , but the electric viewfinder and silent shutter just doesnt do it ,
The eye focus and focus tracking is the reason I will be switching to the Z’s. I’m trying to figure out how to buy the z9 as the high fps and better higher useable iso, compared to D850 are needed in my world. I think I’ll be keeping the d850, but will leave the door open for other Z cameras to replace it. But you can’t lose with two great bodies!
I can understand that totally. In certain ways I've regretted trading in my D850 a while back but, the Z9 has kind of redeemed me. I've still kept a D5 though.
as somebody that use several Zeiss lenses on a 850 and love, love love the image quality when paired together I am keeping my 850 but have purchased a Z7ll and hoping the same quality. The big thing for me is having IBIS, as Zeiss are all manual focus anyway, yes I have several autofocus lenses but I still enjoy the manual focusing
Brilliant review .Loving your style .. pleasant change
Thank you so much
nice comparisson video, cheers! love the z system
Thank you Obed, I'm really pleased that you liked it.
Looks like you need to adjust the AF fine tune on the D850.
I shoot single point auto focus 95% of the time. But when it comes to action or portraits I do the auto area with eye tracking (I have a hard enough time keeping an eye on the composition and the camera level - and a poor job at that as it is) gets the nod. Distressingly I'm finding the Z6II is about as good as my Z7 for landscape (at the sizes I print, nothing large) so a Z7II is out of the question. Not sure if it will fit your use case, but the new 105mm macro is a killer lens. She's a keeper.
I think I've got so used to using either single point focus or Dynamic 9 points with the DSLR, that I've only recently started to notice and test with the Z series. I must say I've become quite reliant on it with portraits for the very reasons you say.
I'm going to test the 3d and face tracking with the D5 at some point. That may be interesting.
The 105mm looks stunning but I've not got my hands on it yet.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Sounds like we shot with DSLR's using the same technique. People like Hudson Henry (Portland OR, USA) have said using the Z series and their auto focus modes - you really have to change the way you do things - and trust the camera more. It's a learning curve for sure!
Absolutely, it's a steep curve at that
Great video sir, good job 💯
Great video! I track decently with the D850, but I expect when Nikon releases its mirrorless counterpart, the Z camera will be better.
Thank you so much for those kind words my friend. I think Nikon feel that the mirrorless version of the D850 is the Z7ii. However, I know we are really hoping that the Z9 will live up to expectations and really deliver. Nikon are more than capable of it.
Agreed, i use both the z7ii and d850 but I hear rumors of a Z8 👀
Yes, I think they are testing quite a few models at the moment, I kind of with that they'd concentrate on just getting the Z9 right
@@seancameronphotographic3740 The mirrorless D850 will be the Z7ii with the new processor and possibly a 60-70mpx BSI-CMOS sensor to take advantage of the speed and power of the new processor without the dynamic range deficiency of the stacked sensor (minor but there). This will put it, the "Z8"" in the same ballpark of the reduced sized medium format with a bevy of good new and good vintage glass already available so entry will be reasonably low-risk investment. I'd be surprised if thats not in the works already for this time next year.
Crossed fingers
I prefer the D850. We don't have to many options of lens for Z cameras. Only if you work with it and have the money to pay it.
Or have an FTZ adapter of course :)
Sorry to say this; but it also have to do with economy. If I had the money, I could buy the Z9! But I don't have it, so I enjoy my D500. (And the F100) Thanks anyway!
Wow that was shocking. I preferred mostly the D850 pictures!
Just want to say, great video and very enjoyable. Been looking at z7 ii myself and also OM1 but heavily invested in Nikon glass
Don't rule out the D850 mate, in some ways I miss it
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Decided on OM1 sold my Nikon gear
That 'take care' at 19:17 sounds a lot like Ricky Gervais!
The camera of the month club has done more to push people away from professional photography more than an other thing. I'm sticking with my F lenses and bodies.
If anything Richard, I see more people taking pictures for next to nothing because cameras today are so much easier. Don't get me started on what camera phones have done to the industry.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 A camera phone will never compete with a Pro camera. Unfortunately Pro cameras have priced themselves away from consumers.
Couldn't agree more Richard, now all we need to do is convince potential customers 🙄
@@seancameronphotographic3740 When consumers see that the newest camera body will cost them 1/4 the price of a car it tends to scare them back to their phone.
You should try the wide area small mode to track action - gives you more latitude than single point but is still very accurate.
Hi Baron, I tried both large and small wide area. I found large gave the best results but it was close.
Hello, thank you for videos. so I have a Nikon D4 and I need a focus indicator on the screen when I take the video with manual focus..do you know plugins or programs for that?
Hi Loseb, you already have one at the bottom left when you're looking through the viewfinder. Its a little spot that flashes until it finds focus and stays on.
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Always excellent video every time
Wow, massive praise, thank you. And true to my word, the Z7ii is on it's way and the D850 was collected this afternoon
Great comparison. I'm trying to figure out if I should move on from my Nikon D850. Not that it is doing a bad job in any way - far from it! But the weight and the lack of IBIS, which I find very useful, is noticeable.
That's really interesting Edwin, and IBIS isn't something I mentioned. Apart from not using VR I guess. Maybe I should have said something about it. I tend to use quite high shutter speeds, even with portraits, so it's not something I notice.
I really like the D850 and have used it for studio etc frequently. One the reasons I have swapped it for the Z7ii that I didn't mention, is the ease that I can tether it to a screen so the client can see what I'm shooting.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Good points. I prefer IBIS because the vast majority of my portraits shots are outside, and if I'm shooting in very low light (past sunset), I'm trying to balance noise versus capturing the motion. I tend to use moderate shutter speeds at best in the darker hours.
If you are shooting in low light outside I totally understand the need for IBIS. I'm afraid I cheat and get the flash out at that point.
Since all things are very near equal, and as an older photographer now, the WEIGHT of both cameras is the deciding factor for me.
I've recently used both the Z7ii and R6 for horse events and you are absolutely right. The weight makes a huge difference by the end of the day.
Weight makes a big difference, but I’ve started working out again. It also makes a difference. I’ll be shooting swimming on Wednesday, 2 basketball games Friday, ski jumping on Saturday and Sunday. At somewhere north of 65 the more I workout the lighter the d850 and lenses feel. Hopefully I’m ready for the z9!
A very relaxed review / comparison / personal view of those cameras. Especially about the FTZ adapter. Good to know that you can upgrade step by step and not have to buy into a new ecosystem at once. If that was the case, why not switch completely to another brand (Fuji GFX for example would be an interesting option, but also the X-T4).
Sure, the new glass will be better. That's why they made the choice to change the mount.
Also, it will be interesting to see what is going to happen in the market of used cameras and lenses. Prices might drop and a D850 body might suddenly be still an interesting buy for the small(er) budgets.
I will be revisiting the subject of new glass in a future video. I think that if the Z9 isn't a decent pro camera then there could be quite few second-hand Nikons on the market sadly
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Thank you for letting me know this. We have to wait and see how it goes with Nikon. Personally, I hope they survive all this and get out stronger. Good to have at least 4 brands out there (Canon, Fuji, Nikon and Sony - alphabetical order).
Z lenses are better on Z cameras, but I also found that F mount and DX F mount lenses are better on Z cameras than they were on F mount and F mount DX cameras. The Nikon Z 6ii is the first *camera* I have ever purchased where the camera makes the difference. Usually, the lens is the more important factor. Then came Z cameras.
I guess that F mount lenses working better on Z cameras depends on the lens and DSLR Lawrence. I think that top glass is still important but some of those mirrorless cameras have certainly levelled the curve more than DSLRs ever did
Anytime the beast d850 , pretty much that camera has no major competitor in that price range or even more.
I agree the other one has better processor , more afs .. the word more has no ending in terms of there is not major in difference in final output
I am mostly landscape shooter , anytime a heavy body has no match to light mirrorless
I think if I was purely doing landscapes or portraits I’d have stuck with the D850 and in some ways I regret the move. However I was convinced by this test and had to be lead by my convictions at the time. I hadn’t realised at the time, the large part played by the z70-200 unfortunately
You turn auto iso on/off , by pressing iso button and turning the front wheel .
Thank you Peter, handy tip
No decision, but confusion which camera one should buy. In that sense not a good vlog.
Sean for a customer like you with a d5 and d850, I would wait until the Z9 came out, unless video was paramount for you. Now if you got a smoking deal, maybe, but there is just too much tech coming and as you said with the lenses you are set. The z cameras are no where near as bad as originally stated, but the autofocus still needs some work. If you have any Nikon d lenses, like I do they will be manual focus only on the FTZ adapter.
Good point about the D mount lenses, I'm certainly waiting for the Z9 with baited breath (along with everyone else). It really needs to be great.
Having now used the Z7ii on various pro shoots I do kind of miss the D850 but I'm going to chat about that in a later video
You were spot on, weren't you
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Thank you so much, I do miss miss the D850, though I think in retrospect that anything moving does actually require the Z mounted lens. However, the Z7ii works well with portraits and studio work which is why I had the D850 in the first place.
The Z 70-200 f/2.8 S is superior in sharpness and micro-contrast.
Ah, but is it £2000 better than the 2 x 70-200mm f2.8 F mount lenses that I already have? I can buy an FTZ mount for £269 and the difference is negligible.
It's amazing that Nikon still can't get the eye of the eagle in such clear situation. I will recommend using the box, but still I don't know what makes them believe they can build a decent mirrorless flagship. The should have gone with a z8 with the technology of the Z9 and wait a little to learn how to do a better job.
I'm concerned that you misunderstood me Jaime, the Z7ii was great focusing, it was the D850 that failed. I think there are a lot of us who are apprehensive about the Z9 but maybe Nikon are worried about being left further behind if they don't produce a flagship mirrorless. I personally, would prefer it if they produced a D7 with the technology that was originally promised with the D6 but maybe they're gone as far as they can with the DSLR. There's a certain historical symmetry I guess, finishing with the D6 as the F6 was the last pro film camera
@@seancameronphotographic3740 No I did not. But thanks for the clarification. The Z7 II for example failed with eye AF on the static eagle. The system is great, but it's not a match for what the other dudes have. Thanks again.
Ah, in that case I misunderstood you Jaime, yes that was a surprise I was expecting it to capture the eye. I think we're all expecting (and hoping) for a good improvement from the next firmware update.
If Sigma Contemporary camevtoo Nikon, maybe
You are wrong about the autofocusing tracking on the D850. I have both cameras and the D850 beats the Z7ii by far. just looking at your set up shooting the falcons, any pro BIF photographer can see your mistakes. Weak to say the least.
Thank you for your opinion.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Well, is not opinion. It is fact. It's the other way around. Yours is an opinion. The D850 when used to it's full potential has a better AF tracking than the Z7II. The prof is in the pudding. When we look at your actions based upon your video we can see lots of mistakes. You can't just decide to compare cameras like these with poor knowledge on how to photograph BIF. There's a lot of people like that. They come to youtube and talk as if they were authority on what they are doing and say things that are completely off base. Take to heart and let it sink in. It is harder to keep ignoring then just admit our limitations ;-)
I was polite to you the first time, please extend the same courtesy to me. The D850 has less focus options than the Z7ii surely? I could have used Dynamic Area, in fact I did. I could also have quoted Group Area. In all honesty I haven't found these as fast as the Z7ii with the Z70-200 lens.
Throughout my videos I make it clear that this is my opinion and findings.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 I have no intention to be rude with you at all. If you felt so, I apologize. I am focusing on the specific BIF auto-focusing tracking statements made. The Z7II is superior in many aspects compared to the D850. But, again, not in BIF tracking auto-focusing capabilities. In that specific issue the D850 beats the Z7ii by far.
Thanks
No problem, thank you for watching
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Thank you so much Mark
As a long long long time Nikon shooter with a LOT of old glass..... I am going to Canon. The R5 is AMAZING and the adapters work better than Nikons. Still prefer the Nikon color, but Nikon is SO behind the times as far as what a modern camera can do. Nikon is still a rotary phone while everyone else is a new cell phone. I hated to change but Nikon is just too far behind on everything.... including video with the Z cameras.
That’s sad news, not just because a long term Nikon user is jumping ship, but more importantly that you’ve lost confidence in the company. I think a lot of others will be following if there is no D7 and a substandard Z9.
I’m surprised that you don’t like the Z6ii /Z7ii video performance, it what I use and I’m really impressed with the quality, though to be honest I haven’t tested that aspect with Canon or Sony.
I haven’t tested the R5 yet but I had a session for a day with the R6 that will be my next video. Not giving anything away but they’ll be a follow up test to answer a few of my questions.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Sean, thank you for the reply!! I have mixed feelings about switching, but I think it is time. I have loved the video functions of the D780 taking the autofocus from the Z6 and I got my Nikon color and have used it to film my music videos. Then...... I tried my Canon! Still miles ahead of anything Nikon offers for video autofocus, tracking birds in flight. I do a lot of birding as well as events and the Zs just missed more than than got. Sony has a great autofocus, but the color is like cardboard - dull and flat. I will NEVER pick up another Sony again and would pick my old D800 over the Sony A1 all day long. But then I stumbled on Canon..... LOL. I am not going to wait for Nikon. The R6 has a smaller sensor than the R5 but should have all the same bell and whistles. I would be surprised if you are not blown away. Unfortunately Nikon is pushing CDs and cassettes but the world has moved on to streaming and digital downloads...... And yes - it bothers me. I can do all that with technique learned over the years, but I want tool that work better with the latest tech. Thank you again Sean!!
I'm not sure you're going to like my next video about the R6 John, but stay with it as I think it's going to lead on to a second R6 test because I'm confused.
I think Canon's news about the R3 eye tracking could be a Sony beater if it works better than it did with the EOS 3.
And I agree totally with you, the Sony colours should not need adjusting in camera to get somewhere near right
@@seancameronphotographic3740 No worries at all - we all are looing for something different in a camera and that is the beauty of the art of photography and how we present what we shoot. I can say that I have been blown away by Canon so far for what I do mostly - birding. In the back of my head, I keep hope alive that Nikon will come out with something amazing. I am selling most of my Nikon stuff, but not my long primes. I will hold on to those to keep my hope alive!! 🤗
Did you delete my previous comment, Jacob? I couldn't edit it...
Dale, you have me intrigued
Hi Dale, I'm not sure what happened to you comment but in reply, I was designing a new trade stand and my logo wouldn't stand out enough. My first idea was to do a black circle but it wasn't very sharp looking so I though a diamond would look better. It wasn't until we put it up at a show that I saw the Jacobs Cracker connection. Now I'm known on the circuit as "the cracker man" :)
@@seancameronphotographic3740 I said it looked like Jacobs Cream Crackers. Be great to get them to sponsor you. I love cream crackers, so it wasn't an insult ;-)
I didn't take it as one Dale :)
Not one example of lowlight sports
Very interesting video. I have given up trying to photograph anything in actual flight with my z6 ii. Yes you did good when the birds actually start the flight but I expected my z6 ii to be better than my D500 and was very disappointed. I truly regret buying it and am looking to trade it now. I see some are already on the second hand market so I am not alone. Great for portrait and landscape I totally agree. I reckon the Cannon will really open your eyes. I do feel Nikon have sold us a bit of a pup with these z cameras. The auto focus I feel should do what the D500 did with regard to tracking moving subjects at least or better. Cannon and Sony can track bif so why can't Nikon. I suppose if you look at the market share of the camera manufacturers that perhaps is a guide as to why Nikon seems to have rushed out these current z cameras to try and stop current nikon owners moving brands. The fabled Z9 has a burden on its shoulders like no other Nikon before it in my view. If that is not equal to or better than the A1 or R6 then Nikon are basically done as a major force I think. I will not be able to afford a Z9 anyway so it is not an issue for me. Having 13% of the market against Sony and Cannon who have some 30/40% each really puts it into focus. Sorry for such a long rant.
Don't apologise Edward, I think most Nikon users are worried about the Z9. I've been quite vocal about the D6 and what a disappointment it was after all the hype. I was about to put my name down for one until I saw the final specs compared to my D5.
I'm hugely aware that Canon and Sony have produce some stunning cameras and Nikon is playing catch up, but don't give up on them. The Z series take some getting used to after DSLRs and I felt the same way about the Z6 when I first got it (mainly for it's video capabilities) but I'm quite impressed with the Z6ii and have even used it for Dog Agility. As I've said before, I'm a bit old school and have only trusted single point focus or Dynamic 9 before so my expectation of the tracking bar was pretty low. I've done a tracking test with various cameras and I think the results are going to be unpopular. But that's for another day :)
@Edward Walker, If you check acclaimed wildlife Morten Hilmer's channel here on youtube, you will see he is perfactly happy with his Z6 & Z6 II. He has clearly taken the time to learn how to get the best out of these cameras. While the Nikon Z's are not as capable as Canon & Sony offerings, they are nowhere near as bad as some people are making out. There is also a firmware update due next month for the Z6 & 7 II so that should hopefully improve things further.
@@Johnmell100 Thanks John I will give that a look but I think I am quite familiar with the system now but any new ideas are welcome. I am really just waiting to see what this latest update does to the camera before the final go or stay decision.
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Yes I am one of those concerned about the Z9. Nikon is not ready. They should have introduced a. Z8 with the technology and wait for the next olympics. Canon is waiting and they do have amazing autofocus technology. The D6 was an unnecessary failure. I understand that the AF is simply fantastic, but very few are going to test it with the sensor with a dynamic range that is worse than the D4. If they have but a good. 24 pixel modern sensor on it, an video like the. D780 people with look into it. If the AF is as good as what many people are saying. (for a DSLR) that will be a compelling camera for some people.
I've said for a while now, had Nikon called the D6 the D5s and had they not promised so much that they had to withdraw it, in the couple of weeks before presenting it to the world, then they might have got away with it. It was a major let down at a time they least needed it for their reputation. Their last big flagship success was the D4s unfortunately.
I do believe in Nikon and I truly believe that the Z6ii and Z7ii are really good cameras capable of great shots and stunning video. However, if Nikon are going to replace the pro DSLR's with the Z9, then it has to be bombproof technologically and at least equal to what the D6s / D7 would have been, otherwise it serves no purpose other than losing pro and public support. Equally, I'm not sure where they would position a Z8 in the line up. The Z6ii and Z7ii have powerful engines, a really good firmware update could get them a lot closer to their rivals.
jesus talk about waffle on. Sorry I am too old to wait for the conclusion.
That's a shame mate, I guess I had a lot to say :)
If you really insist on being on the opposite end of the cutting edge why not shoot film?
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I'm guessing you are a Sony or Canon shooter Jeffrey, actually I do shoot film and enjoy it immensely.
Nikon are a firmware update or two behind you buddy, just that magical update...
@@seancameronphotographic3740 Oh, you actually do shoot film 📷😂👍. Good for you!
You're wrong about what I shoot too. Nikon baby, all the way, and my Nikon gear does everything I need it to do, today, now.
All the best to you though!
Why is the color different between 7ii and 850? Like color better in 850.
Same here, it's much smoother and rich with the D850. It was a hard decision that I occasionally regret.
Really? What do you mean by different?
Z7iI for me gives a clearer and more saturated light ...
Sorry I fell asleep
It took five minutes to actually get to the point of the video, WAAAAAAY to long, lost interest.
Thank you for your feedback
too much drama
And yet others say I can be boring. Go on Paris, you love the drama really
there's 19 min of my life I won't get back.