3:33 Small Correction: The Death of the Sorrow occurs in 1962, only two years before Operation Snake Eater, not decades earlier. (That’s according to the wiki, of course)
@@Shalashaska-1 you have no idea. I came across so many people that hated the games when I was younger. It would be the same type of people who would play call of duty, Madden, or some sports game that starts with "2K".
There's a good line in Gundam Wing that sums the repetition of history in Metal Gear perfectly: "History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of War, Peace, and Revolution continue on forever.."
@bunkerdenelectrix I am watching "Endless Waltz" right now honestly. It's my X-mukkah tradition. If you made a drinking game for the series based on that line, or anytime someone says "pacifism," you'd be brickfaced or dead from alcohol poisoning before the end of the first story arc.
@@_GeneralMechanics_ Gundam Wing series and movie is my favorite but I was introduced to it on toonami as a youth. It is really cool thinking about how many aspects of all the metal gear and all the gundam series share. I just thought about how the nanomachines in MGSVTPP are a lot like Turn A Gundams ability that dismantles weapons and machinery
@bunkerdenelectrix Wing was my first full length series, but my first exposure to the franchise was a VHS copy of the third film in the original 0079 story, and after that 0083. I've been building Gundam models ever since, and Wing Gundam was the first kit I ever built. Believe it not, Gundam Wing is the closest to the Patriots' form of nanotech. In the sequel novels "Frozen Teardrop," Relena unleashed a nanomachine virus that prevented people from assassinating her, and enforced her own form of pascifism on Mars. And the only person who could stop her is Heero. Kind of like a certain Snake we all know and kept us waiting.
Thank you for clearly stating these things about MGS4. It always drove me crazy seeing people endlessly complain about so many things that finalized the entire series’ themes so perfectly. MGS4 is such a fantastic ending that I even break the release order rule, playing Peace Walker and the two V games before going to 4, because those later games only serve to further the ideas MGS4 posits.
End credits of MGS1 with the footage of Alaska, The Best is Yet to Come playing... Some reason around the time when the footage shows a polar bear on the snow I well up every time
No one managed to capture just how screwed up the world is more than Hideo Kojima... and in a game series of all things, I mean just look at how the world is turning out to be? It's only a matter of time before we all can see the true scale of it... actually we might not even have to wait more than a year, because I have an awfully weird feeling 2025 is gonna turn out to be a little crazy on it's own, and I do mean in a deja vu kind of way because for some reason in the back of my head the thought of this year always felt like I had seen what all the events leading up to it would be like.
Exactly how I feel. America, in particular, is gonna be "The Roman Empire" all over again. And I have a young daughter, so belive me-- I hate that I feel this way. I so desperately want to be the Snake to her Raiden--> the person to embolden her to have the courage and conviction to make her OWN destiny in the face of a world that seeks to control her. But I'm sometimes to consumed by the cynicism of current affairs
Thank you so much For posting Bro, recently i have noticed a lack of MGS content and It makes me sad af, i basically saw everything that i could find and as much as i love watching the challenge that other youtubers do (btw i wanna see another challenge from you, i loved the One you made a long time ago) and the mgo2 content It gets boring After months. Analysis and theories are whats left to Watch and you my man are Pretty good in This regard. Ill Watch the video now, ill write about it tomorrow
@@mattmas6628chronological order never made sense like imagine going from MGSV's gameplay to Metal Gear 1 gameplay, release order is better because you actually get to see the gameplay evolve from game to game
@@mattmas6628 Metal gear outright assumes you play in release order. Case in point. MGSPW brings up things that happen in MGS4 like pmcs and weapon ids that would go right over your head and unnoticed if you didn't go in release order
@@mattmas6628 release order is only better for games like metal gear where the games are scrambled otherwise games like Yakuza are best played in chronological order
That’s why I love the metal gear series cause it’s eerily too similar to how the CIA and the deepstate really operate but in metal gear they’re called “The Patriots”
It took me a while but im here at last: 1) One again thanks For posting, i Needed some fresh MGS content and as Always you didnt disappoint; 2) while i Always knew some things that you pointed out throughout the video, i actually never looked that Deep into the subject, overlooking some things. This argoment was something that i actually didn't expect to Watch with interest that much. I never called It fan service or lack of ideas, i only apprecieted everything For what It was; 3) the mgs4 bit of the video was by far my favorite part, some things that you said never came to my mind like the act 2 correlation between laughing octopus impersonating Snake like solidus did. Bravo my friend, you are Pretty good 👉🏻👉🏻
I keep getting great videos from channels that only have the one video, so imagine my surprise seeing that this channel has been entirely MGS centric for over a year, hot damn!
From the Boss & Big Boss to Solid Snake & Raiden, their stories intertwined to suit the Patriots' end. Metal Gear Solid always intrigue me and so want to see more. I wish they did an anime of each title to the T as Hideo Kojima intended.
13:50 if we're going by a postmodern reading, this isn't a loss of identity. the protagonist IS the player-- you are both big boss and the medic, both characters are an extention of the player. if anything Jack (also what BB is called by the Boss) being called Snake at the beginning of MGS2 might have to do with the fact that he's played the role of Snake in VR. The Colonel gives Jack his new name, with the player inserting their own name into his dog tag. Jack is already dealing with multiple identities from the very start of the game. the only way that Jack can ever reclaim his identity is by accepting his past and literally discarding the identities that people made for him, freeing himself from the Patriots' (the player's, the director's) control. Jack rejects his role in the story and decides to become his own person outside of the role that he was given. On the other hand, Venom Snake as an explicit extension of the player-- who's "true" face is chosen by you in the beginning of the game, embraces his role in the story. The moment he does so Venom plays his role until he meets the end that was decided for him by the story itself before he was even an idea. "He was there for you, and yet at the same time he was inaccessible. You felt there was a secret core in him that could never be penetrated, a mysterious center of hiddenness. To imitate him was somehow to participate in that mystery, but it was also to understand that you could never really know him." -The Locked Room
Like why did you hear "V has come to" at MGSV for example, because as it says, history repeat itself. Back when almost half of the content from MGS 2 has to be cut, due to massive controversy, it goes the same with MGSV.
this is brilliant thanks for this. I would love to see a deep dive on how we unwittingly play as the bad guy and how both solidus and liquid were the actual heros trying to take down the patriots.
Playing MGS in a canonical story order makes the less sense... All the magic of this series comes when you play it in the release order. Also... (1+2) (3+4) and (PW+V) all pair themselves in many ways. They function together as pairs. And (2+5) are mirrors of each other.
Star Wars, or at least the Original and Prequel Trilogies, does more or less the same thing. I'm glad the most compelling sagas seem to recognize the importance of the cycles of life.
Metal Gear Solid V is taking place mostly in the head of Big Boss as he is reconditioned into a loyal patriot by Ocelot with the aide of a young Psycho Mantis. Nobody wants to see the truth but the game was always intended to show us how he became the villain.
So if history keeps on repeating itself. Does that mean that in MGS 6 meryl will become the boss and mentor another version of snake. Also meryl and johnnys son will become another ocelot and so on and so forth
In 1 game, a metal gear solid may have a bigger story than some entire franchise like uncharted, god of war or the last of us lol. There are so many things to talk with, now multiply the density of 1 game, but 7 times. Even 8 with portable ops. Final fantasy got a very big lore also, but hell, MGS is a whole continuity. There is a beginning and an end. WOW.
Kojima did Dark Souls 3 before Dark Souls 3. The neverending cycles (and the pressure by the fans to have yet another game) results in a hell were learning and advancing becomes impossible.
@Yarblocosifilitico but he even got how developed ai would be at this time as well as the horrific implications of world powers abusing it for their own gain
@@TylerTheNintendoMaster yes, he was/is a visionary. He was able to project how technology would (and will) develop, and then applied that development to how 'power' has always worked ('the abusement for its own gain' that you mention). And not only abuse, but the loop of a power structure perpetuating itself, even if, to do that, it has to go against the very purpose it originally had, as the video mentions with Zero's methods obstructing his own goals. Also, we're not quite there yet, but genetic engineering at the MG level is almost a reality already.
Metal gear 2: Solid Snake is an upgrade of Metal Gear. Metal Gear Solid is nearly a 1:1 remake of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. Metal Gear Solid 2 is an in-canon reanactment of Metal Gear Solid. Half of the series are remakes and even most of metal gear solid V is repeated missions 😂
Or they don't understand how a narrative can carry across games. While it is true most games have a set narrative for each game in a series and each game will have a different theme, MGS keeps a consistent narrative and message that can connect each game to each other and i don't think they are used to that.
@@nashtheneet The problem is that westerners don't use the Asian holistic thinking mindset when examining these games and they just insist on examining each story individually while ignoring the nuances and how it all connects nicely together....which is a disservice when it comes to experienc an entire saga. Just look at all these "ranking best Metal Gear" videos for example...they totally miss the point.
It took me a long time to actually get into the story of these games. I started with revengence then played phantom pain. I loved the games but I didn't really care about the story at the time. This year I finally played snake eater and sons of liberty and now I'm obsessed with the lore of these games. I still have to play mgs1 and find a way to play mgs4 but even playing them out of order I'm starting to understand the story of the world of metal gear.
@@richieowens98 That is cool, personally I wouldn't consider Revengeance canon because it wasn't written by Kojima and I felt that it was a parody of MGS (or rather it represents what outsiders of the series think MGS is like)...it doesn't help that Revengeance was infected by the pretencious localizer's virus with it meme dialogue that's exclusive to the dub (like Nanomachines son). Also without spoiling MGS4 and MGS2, but MGR's thing with Raiden embracing "Jack The Ripper" undoes all of Raiden's character development in MGS2/MGS4 and that makes me disregards it even more.
No, its sadly failing at trying to nivellate the inconsistensies especially with the first games, using absurd tropes like it was all a dream and widely held beliefs in the psyhology community only , then tell you: "not a bug, its a feature"
Sorry but Kojima is overrated! If you haven’t played the MSX versions of MGS you have no clue who these characters are. Poor story telling at its finest. 😵💫 just like Death Stranding. 🤣 Poor
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3:33 Small Correction: The Death of the Sorrow occurs in 1962, only two years before Operation Snake Eater, not decades earlier. (That’s according to the wiki, of course)
This guy LOVES metal gear!
Must've kept you waiting huh?
It’s him… Big Boss!
I mean who wouldn't?
@@Shalashaska-1 you have no idea. I came across so many people that hated the games when I was younger. It would be the same type of people who would play call of duty, Madden, or some sports game that starts with "2K".
You sure?
There's a good line in Gundam Wing that sums the repetition of history in Metal Gear perfectly: "History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of War, Peace, and Revolution continue on forever.."
Yeah but the best line in the show is when Heero tells chick, “I’ll kill you.”
When I went back and rewatched that I laughed so hard
@bunkerdenelectrix I am watching "Endless Waltz" right now honestly. It's my X-mukkah tradition.
If you made a drinking game for the series based on that line, or anytime someone says "pacifism," you'd be brickfaced or dead from alcohol poisoning before the end of the first story arc.
@@_GeneralMechanics_ Gundam Wing series and movie is my favorite but I was introduced to it on toonami as a youth. It is really cool thinking about how many aspects of all the metal gear and all the gundam series share. I just thought about how the nanomachines in MGSVTPP are a lot like Turn A Gundams ability that dismantles weapons and machinery
@bunkerdenelectrix Wing was my first full length series, but my first exposure to the franchise was a VHS copy of the third film in the original 0079 story, and after that 0083. I've been building Gundam models ever since, and Wing Gundam was the first kit I ever built.
Believe it not, Gundam Wing is the closest to the Patriots' form of nanotech. In the sequel novels "Frozen Teardrop," Relena unleashed a nanomachine virus that prevented people from assassinating her, and enforced her own form of pascifism on Mars. And the only person who could stop her is Heero. Kind of like a certain Snake we all know and kept us waiting.
Thank you for clearly stating these things about MGS4. It always drove me crazy seeing people endlessly complain about so many things that finalized the entire series’ themes so perfectly. MGS4 is such a fantastic ending that I even break the release order rule, playing Peace Walker and the two V games before going to 4, because those later games only serve to further the ideas MGS4 posits.
I hope the algorithm keeps sending this out in droves, this is so well made and entertaining
Great video. The two moments of the seires that stand out to me are the end credits of MGS 1 and 2. Makes my hair stand on end each time.
End credits of MGS1 with the footage of Alaska, The Best is Yet to Come playing... Some reason around the time when the footage shows a polar bear on the snow I well up every time
That speech with snake in mgs2 is burned into my mind. Best scene ever
No one managed to capture just how screwed up the world is more than Hideo Kojima... and in a game series of all things, I mean just look at how the world is turning out to be? It's only a matter of time before we all can see the true scale of it... actually we might not even have to wait more than a year, because I have an awfully weird feeling 2025 is gonna turn out to be a little crazy on it's own, and I do mean in a deja vu kind of way because for some reason in the back of my head the thought of this year always felt like I had seen what all the events leading up to it would be like.
Exactly how I feel. America, in particular, is gonna be "The Roman Empire" all over again.
And I have a young daughter, so belive me-- I hate that I feel this way. I so desperately want to be the Snake to her Raiden--> the person to embolden her to have the courage and conviction to make her OWN destiny in the face of a world that seeks to control her.
But I'm sometimes to consumed by the cynicism of current affairs
we'll never see the "true scale of it". There's always further depths in the rabbit hole. But yeah, 2025 is going to be a ride.
"It's like poetry, It rhymes."
Thank you so much For posting Bro, recently i have noticed a lack of MGS content and It makes me sad af, i basically saw everything that i could find and as much as i love watching the challenge that other youtubers do (btw i wanna see another challenge from you, i loved the One you made a long time ago) and the mgo2 content It gets boring After months.
Analysis and theories are whats left to Watch and you my man are Pretty good in This regard.
Ill Watch the video now, ill write about it tomorrow
If you play in release order it's pretty easy to follow
Yeah I never understood ppl who play games in chronological order. Release order is far better and each game builds on the last properly
@@mattmas6628chronological order never made sense like imagine going from MGSV's gameplay to Metal Gear 1 gameplay, release order is better because you actually get to see the gameplay evolve from game to game
@@mattmas6628 Metal gear outright assumes you play in release order. Case in point. MGSPW brings up things that happen in MGS4 like pmcs and weapon ids that would go right over your head and unnoticed if you didn't go in release order
@@mattmas6628 release order is only better for games like metal gear where the games are scrambled otherwise games like Yakuza are best played in chronological order
Agree
That’s why I love the metal gear series cause it’s eerily too similar to how the CIA and the deepstate really operate but in metal gear they’re called “The Patriots”
Babe wake up new thevoicebox analysis dropped
Metal Gear Solid - aka the biggest mindf**k in the history of gaming
It took me a while but im here at last:
1) One again thanks For posting, i Needed some fresh MGS content and as Always you didnt disappoint;
2) while i Always knew some things that you pointed out throughout the video, i actually never looked that Deep into the subject, overlooking some things. This argoment was something that i actually didn't expect to Watch with interest that much.
I never called It fan service or lack of ideas, i only apprecieted everything For what It was;
3) the mgs4 bit of the video was by far my favorite part, some things that you said never came to my mind like the act 2 correlation between laughing octopus impersonating Snake like solidus did.
Bravo my friend, you are Pretty good 👉🏻👉🏻
👉👉
I keep getting great videos from channels that only have the one video, so imagine my surprise seeing that this channel has been entirely MGS centric for over a year, hot damn!
From the Boss & Big Boss to Solid Snake & Raiden, their stories intertwined to suit the Patriots' end. Metal Gear Solid always intrigue me and so want to see more. I wish they did an anime of each title to the T as Hideo Kojima intended.
Magnificent analysis. Truly a deep, ever-relevant IP
13:50 if we're going by a postmodern reading, this isn't a loss of identity. the protagonist IS the player-- you are both big boss and the medic, both characters are an extention of the player.
if anything Jack (also what BB is called by the Boss) being called Snake at the beginning of MGS2 might have to do with the fact that he's played the role of Snake in VR. The Colonel gives Jack his new name, with the player inserting their own name into his dog tag.
Jack is already dealing with multiple identities from the very start of the game.
the only way that Jack can ever reclaim his identity is by accepting his past and literally discarding the identities that people made for him, freeing himself from the Patriots' (the player's, the director's) control. Jack rejects his role in the story and decides to become his own person outside of the role that he was given.
On the other hand, Venom Snake as an explicit extension of the player-- who's "true" face is chosen by you in the beginning of the game, embraces his role in the story. The moment he does so Venom plays his role until he meets the end that was decided for him by the story itself before he was even an idea.
"He was there for you, and yet at the same time he was inaccessible. You felt there was a secret core in him that could never be penetrated, a mysterious center of hiddenness. To imitate him was somehow to participate in that mystery, but it was also to understand that you could never really know him." -The Locked Room
Awesome content brotha! Keep it up your deserve 100x your followers
After clicking every video that kept recommended to me: I get it now…
Another sterling MGS video. Any more thoughts on the sleep compilation type video?
Like why did you hear "V has come to" at MGSV for example, because as it says, history repeat itself. Back when almost half of the content from MGS 2 has to be cut, due to massive controversy, it goes the same with MGSV.
The entire continuity is Kojima telling you he's tired of making Metal Gear games LOL.
this is brilliant thanks for this. I would love to see a deep dive on how we unwittingly play as the bad guy and how both solidus and liquid were the actual heros trying to take down the patriots.
The parallels to the true state of the world are uncanny, and it's only becoming more so
indeed, sadly
Playing MGS in a canonical story order makes the less sense...
All the magic of this series comes when you play it in the release order.
Also... (1+2) (3+4) and (PW+V) all pair themselves in many ways. They function together as pairs.
And (2+5) are mirrors of each other.
Star Wars, or at least the Original and Prequel Trilogies, does more or less the same thing. I'm glad the most compelling sagas seem to recognize the importance of the cycles of life.
You’re pretty good
Wisemen committee
Philosophers
Patriots
Gw all imploded and caused chaos with ripple effects
Absolute cinema
@@FierceO "This is good... isn't it?"
Wow 47:43 hits soo hard 😢
I recall reading somewhere that this scene was a homage to Hideo's father.
What's the mgs2 music name in the background from 0:00 and 1:49?
I love Metal Gear
26:06 to 26:34
The music that plays here-- can ANYONE PLEASE, tell me the name of this song?? 🙏🏿
its from MGO2 - METAL GEAR ONLINE 2 LOBBY MUSIC of MGS4
@Solid-Old THANK YOU, MATE!
Can’t wait till 2nd of Jan- Amazon kind of leaked the realises date for me so I put in the preordered I can’t wait I’m re watching all these vids.
God damn it kojima youve done it again
Metal Gear Solid V is taking place mostly in the head of Big Boss as he is reconditioned into a loyal patriot by Ocelot with the aide of a young Psycho Mantis.
Nobody wants to see the truth but the game was always intended to show us how he became the villain.
So if history keeps on repeating itself. Does that mean that in MGS 6 meryl will become the boss and mentor another version of snake. Also meryl and johnnys son will become another ocelot and so on and so forth
Also, a cardboard box is timeless fun
Respectfully, Kingdom Hearts Continuity is probably more insane
In 1 game, a metal gear solid may have a bigger story than some entire franchise like uncharted, god of war or the last of us lol. There are so many things to talk with, now multiply the density of 1 game, but 7 times. Even 8 with portable ops.
Final fantasy got a very big lore also, but hell, MGS is a whole continuity. There is a beginning and an end. WOW.
Kojima did Dark Souls 3 before Dark Souls 3.
The neverending cycles (and the pressure by the fans to have yet another game) results in a hell were learning and advancing becomes impossible.
We want more remakes after delta.
'facts do not exist, only interpretations' is only an interpretation, which is only an interpretation, which is only an interpretation, which is
Heeeey! That's pretty good!
Meme gene scene
Kojima predicted modern day politics 20 years in advance
because he applied modern technology to what politics has always been
@Yarblocosifilitico but he even got how developed ai would be at this time as well as the horrific implications of world powers abusing it for their own gain
@@TylerTheNintendoMaster yes, he was/is a visionary. He was able to project how technology would (and will) develop, and then applied that development to how 'power' has always worked ('the abusement for its own gain' that you mention).
And not only abuse, but the loop of a power structure perpetuating itself, even if, to do that, it has to go against the very purpose it originally had, as the video mentions with Zero's methods obstructing his own goals.
Also, we're not quite there yet, but genetic engineering at the MG level is almost a reality already.
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Mgs 2 had similar moments to mgs 1
MGS series embodies the recursive experiential loops outlined by Buddhism
3 > V > 1 > > 4 > 2
heard someone say that mgs2 is bad because it's just mgs1 recyled and that he though it was lazy writing did he even understand the game?
And low key I know it all 😂
"Again, it's like poetry, so that they rhyme..." -George Lucas. see what I did there😉
Metal gear 2: Solid Snake is an upgrade of Metal Gear.
Metal Gear Solid is nearly a 1:1 remake of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake.
Metal Gear Solid 2 is an in-canon reanactment of Metal Gear Solid.
Half of the series are remakes and even most of metal gear solid V is repeated missions 😂
I am a firm believer that the vast majority of the detractors of the MGS writing are just mentally lazy or just to don't care to learn.
Sue me.
Or they don't understand how a narrative can carry across games. While it is true most games have a set narrative for each game in a series and each game will have a different theme, MGS keeps a consistent narrative and message that can connect each game to each other and i don't think they are used to that.
@@nashtheneet The problem is that westerners don't use the Asian holistic thinking mindset when examining these games and they just insist on examining each story individually while ignoring the nuances and how it all connects nicely together....which is a disservice when it comes to experienc an entire saga.
Just look at all these "ranking best Metal Gear" videos for example...they totally miss the point.
It took me a long time to actually get into the story of these games. I started with revengence then played phantom pain. I loved the games but I didn't really care about the story at the time. This year I finally played snake eater and sons of liberty and now I'm obsessed with the lore of these games. I still have to play mgs1 and find a way to play mgs4 but even playing them out of order I'm starting to understand the story of the world of metal gear.
@@richieowens98 That is cool, personally I wouldn't consider Revengeance canon because it wasn't written by Kojima and I felt that it was a parody of MGS (or rather it represents what outsiders of the series think MGS is like)...it doesn't help that Revengeance was infected by the pretencious localizer's virus with it meme dialogue that's exclusive to the dub (like Nanomachines son).
Also without spoiling MGS4 and MGS2, but MGR's thing with Raiden embracing "Jack The Ripper" undoes all of Raiden's character development in MGS2/MGS4 and that makes me disregards it even more.
No, its sadly failing at trying to nivellate the inconsistensies especially with the first games, using absurd tropes like it was all a dream and widely held beliefs in the psyhology community only , then tell you: "not a bug, its a feature"
Sorry but Kojima is overrated!
If you haven’t played the MSX versions of MGS you have no clue who these characters are.
Poor story telling at its finest. 😵💫 just like Death Stranding. 🤣 Poor
you're poor
@ you are poorer.
Brilliant video man, appreciate the hard work you've put into this. 🫡