The reason why Mei ling Lost her accent was a ctually a small correction on the devteams part. As Mei ling is stated to be Chinese American(this was in the original too). Meaning she grew up in America her whole life so it wouldn't make since for her to have such a Strong Chinese accent.
I love how they say it is too over the top with snake jumping on a missile but vampires running on water, man spitting bees out of his mouth like bullets, bullets dodging a woman with a railgun, dislocating limbs and climbing trees, an old man sniper with the speed of a cheetah, lightning power villains, oh that gets a pass, nostalgia is one hell of a drug lol 🤣
not to mention the transylvanian skeleton man, the fire whale, the lightning man now on fire, the homoerotic vampire that came back, the cyborg ninjas, the floating children, the giant 20 foot tall bipedal mech in 1984, etc.
the mgs brand of insanity even carries into survive, which takes the nanomachine abilities from previous characters and takes them to their logical conclusion of consuming all life in a gray goo event only to solve its own starvation by creating a conditional groundhog day loop that allows the hivemind to grow forever. bonkers
To be fair none of those examples come from MGS1, which Twin Snakes is a remake of. The wackiness in Twin Snakes did bring MGS1 more in line with the rest of the franchise.
I don't care about the negativity. Having never played the original, Twin Snakes was the first Metal Gear game i ever completed, and as a 14 year old kid it completely blew my socks off and instantly made me fall in love with the franchise still to this very day. And for that I will always be grateful. Thank you Nintendo and Silicon Knights!
Thats another topic of discussion, that, if we had experienced the mgs with twin snakes first, wouldnt we love it more , and we wouldnt hate the extra things done ? I would not like the original if i played twin snakes first. I think
This was my 1st metal gear game as well and I have yet to play the original. I liked it and went on to play all the others except 5. When I pick up the master collection as some point I’ll play through the original
Enemy AI was improved, giving enemy soldiers the ability to communicate with each other and detect the player more intelligently with senses of sight and sound enhanced.
The only thing that annoys me personally about the dislike for this game is the people who pretend that Kojima wouldnt have done this. Every game after this is flashy and silly and over the top as well. MGS1 being so serious was the oddity, not the norm.
I disagree. As put there as the later games got, none of their cutscenes featured Snake doing backflips with jet engine sounds. Otacon didn't fall on his face when comforting dying Emma. Basically twin snakes was full on cheese. MGS3 for example had very grounded style.
@transformersrevenge9 fair enough on those points, but the rest of the games had real cheese. Even 3, I mean the whole Ocelot growling thing is pretty cringey in its own way. It definitely has its own different type of cheesiness to Kojima led productions, If it's the wrong type, I can't blame you, but my point is just that it's not like the rest of the games are that much more serious in their moments.
MGS 1 was as grounded as it was because of the technical limitations of the PSOne. Just look at MGS2 as a whole both in the goofy department and in the fact that it's also a retelling of MGS1.
you mean vamp spinning around to dodge bullets wasn't cheese? olga jumping about and doing awesome ninja shit wasn't cheese? hell even solidus using his little tentacle thingies to to make a cannon, or jumping around and killing 3 metal gear rays with 5 p90 smg rounds? a fat guy rolling around on skates planting bombs? twin snakes' ridiculous style is completely inspired by mgs2 brainlet. so what if snake does backflips when it's convenient or even just to cheese? any grown healthy man can do a backflip, so a legendary mercenary and agent such as snake wouldn't see it as much of a problem.@@transformersrevenge9
People like to forget that Eva backflips a motorcycle off of Ocelot’s face in MGS3. The crazy cutscenes in this are not that out of the ordinary for the series.
@@deftech5072 even Kojima didn't like this as much praise as he gives it when mgs 4 had flashbacks to shadow Moses they used the ones for the ps1 version of mgs 1 not this one
@@substance.abuser That's less about Kojima dislike and more about appealing to PlayStation fans. The series is heavily associated with Playstation and most of them wouldnt have played Twin Snakes. The original has the stronger nostalgia effect.
Silicon Knights wasn’t solely responsible for the new cutscenes. Kojima handpicked Movie director Ryuhei Kitamura, who is probably best know for directing "Godzilla: Final Wars" or his own film "Versus". Also the rat eating the key happens in the original depending on how many alerts you get.
Yeah, I am a big fan of Kitamura and his action directing. Final Wars is still one of my favorite Godzilla films. And while I do enjoy it's silliness, I agree that maybe it would have been better to have those updated animations on a "special edition" mode for replays or something. A kind of "you've played the serious version. Now let's just goof around" -Mode. Maybe it could be done for a rerelease. Reverting gameplay and cinematics to the original but keep the updated models and textures. And have the silly mode there for the completionists.
It's come out in recent years that Kitamura was planning to keep the cutscenes more in line with the originals, but Kojima stopped him. Kojima is the one who pushed him to be over the top with them. He picked him for a reason, after all!
Silicon knights had made a shot for shot remake of all the scenes, and kojima asked them to redo everything and make them more like matrix. The man actually likes this version.
@@notcoleAdditionally Metal Gear Solid Intergral (a Japanese exclusive version of MGS1 with English VO and mostly text) has an unlockable mode to toggle playing the entire game (with some exceptions) in 1st person. This can be toggled at will allowing quick switching in situations where the mode is unhelpful. It's unlocked by beating the game completely once or unlocked by default in the GOG version as that's based on MGS Intergral and they unlocked it as a fun extra thing while trying to get it to run on PC. MGS Intergral is included in the Master Collection but will require unlocking it the normal way unless you can mod the game files.
I personally don't like the grey fox hallway cutscene. The whole thing is you're supposed to go: "what? Tf happened here?" And they now just spell it out for you, ruins the whole moment imo
A lot of people have said that MGS Twin Snakes was just the account of the story from Otacons perspective. He loved anime action movies so this story makes perfect sense to me.
I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this yet, but you actually can fire in first person during the final chase in the original MGS too. It's something the game doesn't tell you and it makes the fight much easier as you can keep liquid stunlocked doing it.
I lay all the hate of Twin Snakes at the feet of the Resident Evil 1 Remake. It was such a monumental remake, perhaps the best ever. So when the mgs1 remake was released two years later it couldn't be seen as anything but a failure despite how much fun it is. It doesn't matter if it's a video game, movie, or cartoon show. If a 10/10 hit comes out before you, you will be seen as a failure unless you're also 10/10.
That'd be more reasonable if it was released within the same year or months instead of two years. Even then, RE1 Remake wasn't perfect either, especially since it has butchered art direction and initially sold like crap.
@@TheCyclicGamer The general consensus back in the day was to praise REmake 1. It certainly didn't get the hate Twin Snakes got. And if sold like crap initially, it was likely because was a Gamecube exclusive while Resident Evil's fanbase was heavily associated with the Playstation.
"The action has been cranked up to the point of absurity-" Me thinking about this fictional game series that features giant robot nuke launching behemoths, clones of the greatest soldier who survived being near two nukes, psychokinetic mental patients, robot ninjas, vampires, ghosts, parasites that turn people superhuman,NANOMACHINES and weapons and items that never run out of ammo or cause that same effect. Yeah never understood the hate for twin snakes, feels accurate to me. (Btw good video keep it up!)
If you thought the wolves were a pain on the first, you completely missed the point of them. Sniper Wolf is said to be feeding those wolves on a conversation (hence why the wolves cried over her death), and you're given her handkerchief. Equipping it makes the wolves friendly, since they recognize her smell. Alternatively, you can punch Meryl, equip a cardboard box, and she'll make the puppy wolf "attack" Snake in retaliation, making the puppy pee on the cardboard box. That box from then also has the same effect as Sniper Wolf's handkerchief. These details on worldbuilding and characterization show Sniper Wolf as a kind hearted human, one of the reasons why Otacon falls in love with her.
Something that may help people understand and appreciate this remake more- is that while it may not be canonical (though some parts of it remain almost unchanged storyline wise) imagine framing it through the lens of Otacon telling Sunny what he thinks happened on Shadow Moses and his idealized version of Snake as a Badass Action Hero depicted through anime action set pieces with matrix slow motion Max Payne bullet time is how he imagines Snake to have handled it. Snake recalls it differently, but there’s further details that support this… mainly that every Otacon line isn’t reprised, and the details of what cyborg Nina did before snake showed up are captured in detail- because he had a closer connection with the events that unfolded in the nightmare hallway.
So the reason for MGS2 mechanics is that Otacon was actually a participant in the Big Shell and Tanker missions, so the “mechanics”are all based off what he KNOWS snake can do in the future but he thinks Snake did on Shadow Moses because he didn’t see how that went down, he was mostly hiding in stealth camo or in a locker or closet wetting his pants. He didn’t know Snake didn’t have the ability to hang drop and use the grip gauge, he thought that was always there… He didn’t know snake didn’t use the M9 back then, he knows snake used it on the Tanker to subdue Olga safely. Why would he assume Snake was a bloodthirsty killer? Snake is his Hero. And why would he tell Sunny that as a bed time story? Snake is her Surrogate Co-parent. If you think about that while you play through the game everything you see Snake “do” that wasn’t in the original makes a lot more sense.
Ok so here is my theory in game universe lore if we want to think about it this way. The reason why it looks like mgs2 with features and graphics and such is that it's the VR missions Raiden does as well as the tanker episode being a VR mission for Raiden. Both were referenced in mgs2 as being said vr missions for him that also explains all the extra stuff in the twin snakes like the over animated cutscenes and action being a retelling of said mission from legend and second hand accounts of said shadow Moses mission for example.
People say Twin Snakes is bad because of the amount of goofy sh*t that happens in it. Now that would be a legit criticism... If Metal Gear wasn't filled with goofy a$$ sh*t as early as the MSX and the NES games. Not to mention MGS2 which was released before Twin Snakes.
Whqt i love about the last cutscene with Liquid in Twin Snakes is that as he falls down he get back up to reach Snake, shows that even in near death he hates him.
While I do agree they made some changes like adding more guards on higher difficulties, it was still too easy because of the new additional framework of MGS2 systems. This is why not many of us play Twin Snakes as much as the original. I think they should just try again and get it right this time. Also the original was an extension of the original MSX games released in Japan. In the original MGS, you had small health to start out with. Like the MSX games it got bigger as you progressed. The only difference is in the original game, it was based on your ranking. Like if you killed a hostage, you'd get demoted and lose your increased maxed health. In Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake, It was after each Boss encounter. In fact almost everything from MGS was a carry over from Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake. For instance, you had to blow through a wall with C4, You had an unknown caller helping you out claiming to be your biggest fan, you had running up the tower as guards give chase, and a key that changes temperature in certain areas. This was done in mind for MGS because Kojima said not many Westerners played the original games. So he reused a lot of assets from the original games in MGS. If they were to remake MGS again, one company I'd like to see do it is Capcom. Reason being is they hit it out of the park with their RE remakes. Mostly. But I think because they have experience at puzzle games, they could probably reimagine the story. Keep it the same as the original. But make some tweaks to it. How'd they do the ranking system because the biggest requirement for Big Boss Ranking is you need to play on the hardest difficulty to unlock it for starters. Kill less guards even though in the new games, you have a non lethal gun. No alerts unless it's mandatory, no more than one ration used and no continues. It'd be interesting to see how Capcom would do that. That's just my opinion.
(Just wanna say that already wrote this under a comment) I always say it mgs twin snakes is as faithful as it can be for a remake. It's even better than the original yep I said it. The whole direction of the game came from Kojima himself. He was producer and designer. Every mgs game had over exaggerated scenes.... I probably wrote this a dozen of times under mgs twin snakes videos in the past 2 or 3 years back then nobody ever said a bad thing about twin snakes my brothers who introduced me to mgs 1 even played it and they really loved twin snakes on paar with mgs 2 because they played mgs 2 before just to see a remake of mgs 1. And I swear nobody ever said all that crap that people are saying now against that game. And the thing is it's because of silicon knight games in 2013 to 2016 I saw all those youtuber people shitting on twin snakes because it was from silicon knight games and they had a big Controversy going on against epic games and they lost and needed to shutdown and I think they all just wanted to destroy the reputation of silicon knight games because the Media and people on youtube did thier part and said so many bad things about tts and silicon knight and thier games in general. And for now it all make sense because people are still doing it now and even worse with youtube as soon as some gaming news coming in people lying tellin things left and right and tellin story's to get views and get people based against a company or against each other. And twin snakes suffered because of all this. Till this day I getting angry seeing comments where people saying always the same stuff to twin snakes and those things are still all those things I firstly heard from some youtubers back in 2013-16. At least that's my observation with tts.
Subbed. Best video I’ve seen on the Twin Snakes. Personally I like to think of this game as a weird fever dream. A retelling from a different perspective. Not ACTUALLY, like I don’t believe it’s intended this way, but I make myself think this way so that I don’t completely hate it. Haha Good stuff. Gonna binge the other MGS videos.
The strangest change to me was the removal of the final portion of the Grey Fox fight. Where he starts surging with energy and you can't get near him. You need to take out your gun and shoot him. I thought it was a nice little cap to the fight, where you have to figure out you're n ow allowed to do the thing that you couldn't throughout the battle to finish it off.
I’m not a gamer by any means, but I love the metal gear franchise and going back to these games always bring me comfort. I am 28 going on 29 and I was introduced to metal gear through the twin snakes when I was around 13. I love this game.
I love The Twin Snakes, it's my favorite version of the story and is the version I play every time I replay the series. One cool thing about TTS is, that when switching to MGS2 after finishing TTS, due to having the same engine and gameplay, it feel like you are still in the same universe and it's cool to see the transition, also it makes MGS2 easier since you are now used to the gameplay. I like MGS1, but TTS aged better.
I disagree. No other MGS games have the sheer amount of dumb and ridiculous moments as Twin Snakes. They have humor to them, but they rarely go into slapstick, or overblown action that boarders on insanity.
@@transformersrevenge9 Vamp is in fact not a supernatural character. His name doesn't come from vampires drinking blood but from the fact that he's bisexual...
I play a version of MGS The Twin Snakes that has the original PS1 soundtrack modded in, and it really does make the game more fun, I also use an HD Texture Pack which makes the game feel more modern and in the original version also had a chance to have a rat eat the pal card, they also added where you could change the card closer to the end area where there are some pipes to the side of REX instead of having to backtrack to the hot room and cold rooms
Agree 100%. Not a bad game, but in terms of a remake it's inferior to the original in many ways. I've seen many claim online that this is the "definitive" version of MGS1, using such flimsy justification as "now the cutscenes have been brought in line with how they are in the sequels!" (which is wrong, but I'll spare you my ramblings as to why) or because "Naomi and Mei Ling have their correct accents!" All I can say is, I strongly disagree, and have a nice day. 19:20 Actually, it is possible for a rat to eat the PAL key in the original as well! Whether it happens or not is either completely random, or based on factors that nobody has idea what they are.
Oh wow, I've played through the original twice now and haven't seen it happen yet. People really weren't joking about the amount of details you can miss in these games 😂
Right off the bat some of the complaints are pretty stupid. Looking at the footage here, it's pretty clear that it's not being played on Gamecube hardware, but emulated at a much higher resolution. Not to mention the fact that the game's not being played on a CRTV which the game was designed for, but instead on a different type of screen that it wasn't made for known to make games of that era look significantly worse. When you don't take that context with you when talking about the graphics like expressions and whatnot, the criticism about it simply isn't valid. Also the extra ninja flips and slo-mo were all Kojima approved and mostly even suggested. This is what the original MGS1's cutscenes would've been like if it was possible for them to make on PS1 hardware at the time. So in regards to that, Twin Snakes is pretty much what MGS1 was envisioned to be in many ways.
@thenonexistinghero well no it depends I have seen very good imitations that mímic the tone, the vibrancy, and even that green and redish look that pixels get And if you are extra picky you can enable curvature of the screen and that greish color thats so characteristic of crts But yeah I can see most crt filters being bad
I was one of the people super hyped about this game when it came out, so I'm definitely biased towards this version over the original, but it's cool to see more breakdowns of what exactly changed from version to version. Slight note on the voice acting - according to david hayter, the original audio was effectively recorded in a stairwell either due to the budget not letting them get actual studio time or to try and achieve an audio effect per request from kojima (I've heard both get said, no clue which is true, but both are believeable). This was fine on the PS1, but when they scaled it up to the GC, the audio was so poor, they had to redo everything. It's also why a bunch of other small changes got made - they had to kinda scramble to get everyone together and in a studio to meet the deadline.
Actually, it was recorded in a house where cars were easily heard driving outside. On PS1 the audio was compressed to the point where everything sounded fine. However, with the audio uncompressed for the GameCube, the car noises outside were audible, prompting their decision to re-record the dialogue entirely.
@@Sora2314: I just wish they had listened to the original game, so they could have recorded using the same inflections. A lot of the performances seem less...energetic...in thr _Twin Snakes_ version. Example: Otacon's warning about the stealth camp thieves.
Valla orijinali nerede çekildi bilmiyorum ama sesin yankılanması ve duyuluşu, sana gerçekten bir codec diyaloğunu yaptığını hissettiriyordu orijinalinde. Yenisinde ise bu hissiyatı vermiyor gibi. Hani minik bi cızırtı olur yani dijital değil de bi analogluk hissedersin ya, orijinal oyunda bu hissiyat varken, yeniden yapımda tamamen dijitale dönünce ve net ses duyulmasının yanı sıra hissiyatın da gittiğini bize gösteriyor. Sanki ses ekibi gelmiş ve yapalım da bitsin bu iş der gibi yapmışlar. Baştan savma olmuş yani
Watching this there are two points that stood out to me was your thoughts on the Dogs and dealing with Meryl in MGS1. I am curious as to if you ever used the Stun grenades much in your playthrough. As those are about the only two sections of the game where they are very useful I just spam the hell out of them for the Dogs, and the second you see any movement for Meryl you chuck a stun and she goes down. P.S really enjoy the content. I really fun watching some experience both MGS and AC for the first time as a lifelong fan of these franchises from their earliest releases. Thanks for these fun walks down memory lane.
I can't believe that you don't mention that you can change the Pal Key to Cold and Hot more easy thanks to two pipes on Rex's Lair. You need to grip to a hidden part and shoot said pipes with the Key equipped.
Teenage me thought the action and crazy cut-scenes were cool and I look back at them with goofy nostalgia. Grown men will complain about that but say that a game featuring bosses that shoot lightning, ghosts, and bees at you is the peak of Kojimas work. This game gets dogged a little too hard. I'd kill for remakes to put this much effort in as the norm.
You've probably already been told this by now, but the 1st person-shooting at the end of the game in the car-chase scene, and the rat eating the memory-shape alloy key card, were both apparent in the original game as well.
The Grey Fox Hallway scene comparison is why I have a problem with Twinsnakes. It's style and flash over substance. The original scene wasn't supposed to be cool it was played as horrifying and suspenseful. It's up there with Sephiroth's trail of blood in the original Final Fantasy as a tense scene. The mystery is what sold it and had you the player and Snake wondering what the hell was around the corner.
I think they're scary/suspenseful in different kinds of ways. In the original, we're shown a hallway of diced up dead men, in TTS, we're actively shown these bozos being diced up. Sort of a "dear god what happened" suspense versus a "dear god I have to fight THAT?" one.
There are only a few minor things to like about TTS (such as the sniper rifle being easier to control or the ability to aim in first person view). But aside from those minor (and ultimately irrelevant) things, _everything is worse_ in TTS - not just certain specific things. What's mainly responsible though for TTS being worse is _the graphics and music._ While the overly dramatic action scenes are dumb, they're an overlookable non-issue compared to the graphics and music. The TTS music is extremely inferior; it's not just worse, but it completely changes and destroys the atmosphere of the Shadow Moses base. It's entirely inappropriate. And while the graphics is "better", the game _looks worse._ Graphically TTS is overall inferior. Graphics is more than just polygon count, it's more than just how realistic something looks. TTS looks worse than MGS no matter how the two games are rendered and displayed - regardless of whether they're played on the consoles through a CRT, or emulated. TTS has _always_ been worse looking than MGS; already upon release it looked worse - of course it looked "better" than MGS in the sense of the graphics being more technically sophisticated, and at the time it was cool to experience the MGS story through the new graphics, but _also_ it looked worse in the way described here. The difference is even greater when emulating, though. Comparing the two games emulated (with both "maxed out" as much as possible through emulation tweaks) MGS looks _even better_ than TTS. One can get MGS (via SwanStation) to look _vastly_ much more "high definition"; much clearer and sharper, and to simply be much more pleasant to look at, than TTS - which looks like a soft/blurry/fuzzy (not referring to the motion blur) mostly-grayish _boring_ mess, no matter what one does. What makes TTS look worse isn't just its soft/blurry graphics, but more importantly its colors and lighting. Every area in TTS looks lifeless, stale, muted, boring, uninspiring, and many similar adjectives. Compare for instance the Commander's Room (the Mantis battle room; one of the nicest-looking locations in MGS): it looks incredibly good in MGS; the lighting and color is perfect, while in TTS the room looks like utter garbage in comparison. Every area in MGS is eye candy in comparison to the areas in TTS; everything looks better in MGS due to the colors and lighting. There's not a single place in TTS that looks better. And most of the areas in TTS are similar-looking to each other in terms of lighting and color; there's visually a sort of "sameness" across essentially the entire game, whereas in MGS every area stands out more - everything is more distinct and unique in terms of lighting and colors. And it's not just the colors and lighting, but also the overall _visual "composition"_ of each area is inferior in TTS - that's a bit tricky to put into words but if you compare each area in TTS vs MGS and disregard the inferior lighting and colors of TTS then you'll see there's also something else entirely, something more basic/fundamental, about the areas in TTS that make them look worse (it involves the placement of objects and distances between them and the camera angles and other things). And yes the voice acting is inferior, but it's less of a problem than the music and graphics. The main problem with the voices though isn't how the voices themselves sound, but rather _how the lines are delivered._ The delivery usually seems lazy and seems "off" somehow. Almost every line is delivered in a better way in MGS. It's not that we were used to hearing the lines as they are delivered in MGS and therefore their delivery subjectively sounds bad to us in TTS, but rather the delivery really _is_ worse in TTS. It's objectively worse. They clearly put much more effort into speaking the lines in MGS; the voice actors were much more "into it", more mentally invested into what they were saying; like they were putting themselves into the roles of the characters more, whereas in TTS most of it sounds lazy and half-hearted in comparison. In that manner, the voice acting isn't just worse than MGS but also worse than the other games in the series. And while certainly less important than the music and graphics, there's this strange "rubbery" sensation in the gameplay. "Rubbery" is an odd word to use, but it seems the most fitting. It's hard to describe; there's this weird sensation in TTS; things seem "rubbery" and "plasticy" and somehow fake and just _weird._ What causes this strange sensation involves the movement of Snake, certain animations (especially when fighting), and the sound effects, and the music also influences and contributes to this weird sensation, and the soft graphics might be contributing somehow as well. So there's this synergy of things causing this sensation. This strange sensation in the gameplay is something only TTS has; it's not present in any of the other games in the series.
simply put you're wrong about it looking worse, mgs2's graphic style and by extension twin snakes' graphic style is very neat and polished. as for the music i cannot for the life of me figure out why people say it's so much worse, it's certainly different, but never in a million years would i say it's worse. people like to say that art is subjective and that there is no such thing as better and worse, but as soon as there's a hate train for people to jump on to they start throwing their unneeded and tasteless criticism around like a frisbee.
i don't necessarily agree with all the points about the art style, but i agree with the general sentiment about the game. It does have a bit too much of the "this is the engine and tools we have at home right now at Konami. The least expensive way to do this is to basically MGS2 our way throught this project". It's kind of what happened with Halo CE Anniversary, but i daresay even much worse. I get the people disliking CEA, but tbh i still feel like the final product has its own inner consistency. While it changes plenthy of the original's feel, it does deliver its own vision about, while Twin Snakes feels cheap, except in everything that makes the cutscenes look unnecessarily flashy.
First of all regarding the PAL Key, in the original, there's also a chance for a rat to eat it so that's not new to the remake BUUUUUUUUT, and this is a big but. The backtracking has been completely removed if you know where to look. Instead of going back to the warehouse to cool it or back the blash furnace to heat it. On the same floor of the computer room, on the other side. There's are two pipes that's colour coded. One is blue and is one red. You know what that means? Equip the PAL key, shoot the blue pipe to cool it and then shot the red pipe to heat it. That eliminate the backtracking all together. A lot of people don't know about this haha. I'll be 100% honest, as much I adore the original, I simply prefer playing this remake and I hope it will come to a master collection one day soon. Just have all the Nintendo references removed, sounds easy enough lol. The cutscenes never bothered me. C'mon it's metal gear lol those cutscenes is nothing compare to MGS4 & 5 especially regarding "realism", you'll see 😅. Like you said the fans of the original just tends to overreact lol. A couple of things I would change/add, would be.. Add the VR missions from the original, have the ability to switch OST between the original to the remake. Lastly when you're fighting Ocelot, the ability to shoot in first person would be disabled to fix the balancing issue with this boss battle. I'm glad they kept codec faces the same lol. That was Kojima's choice to change the accents of Naomi and Mei-ling. Mei-ling is in fact Asian-Amercian and she was raised in America so it's makes more sense to have her Chinese accent removed. Same thing with Naomi, but the biggest difference is, she originally Rhodesian but she was raised and worked in America most of her life so it wouldn't make sense to have a British accent lol. They even kept that re-con in MGS4.
Mei ling is 100% American born and raised. Naomi is SUPPOSED to be convingly American. The accents were terrible because they never made any sense and apparently they were calls by people in charge and not the voice director. Its mentally insulting to hear people praise the story and accents but forget the parts of the story where they insinuate youre suppose to think theyre Americans.
Correction: An event of a rat taking the PAL key was present in the original PS1 version but only on extreme difficulty. Also, during the final escape/chase scene, the first-person view was also possible on PS1.
Actually it doesn’t apply to just Extreme, the rat eating the key applies to all the difficulties in the original but it’s tied to how many times you got spotted [same for TTS] I believe if you got spotted 10 or more times, the card key would be in the drainage ditch without the rat (most likely because if you got spotted that many times, the developers would think you’re having trouble so they toss you a bone)
I just had an idea on how to balance Ocelot’s boss battle with the FPV aiming. Have Ocelot deal a lot more damage to Snake, like one shot and he’s half health. That implores the player to keep moving to dodge the bullets since you can’t move in FPV and you don’t have a lot of time to manually aim your gun across the room.
The thing with the rat eating the key exists in the original too, i think it depended there on how often you got spotted. I also think you can find the PSG1 in the Wolf cave in a hidden area, meaning even less backtracking. Same goes for the pal key temperature backtracking, there is a small area you can drop onto with 2 pipes, one with hot stream and one with cold stream, when shooting the pipe. Weich, when equipped, instantly heats or freezes the card as needed
14:47 I am sorry, but I am gonna disagree with you on that point....Grey Fox was handled better in the original. Especially in the hallway scene, I don't think showing him killing the soldiers was as effective as the original scene. In the original the scene was alot scarier because it was handled like a horror scene...showing you the aftermath of his rampage and them them showing you a soldier saying "It's a ghost" before falling dead when you reach the hallway...makes you more scared of the capabilities of this invisible entity and when I first played it, I was genuinely worried about the mere idea of fighting him. The scene in the remake is just mindless wanton voilence and gore that just doesn't have the same effect...the original allowed you imagination to run wild with it, the remake didn't leave anything for the imagination and thus it's alot less scary.
I love Twin Snakes. I agree that the original is better, but everyone always reviews it in direct competition with the original. I think it should be viewed more as a fun novelty. Sure, playing MGS1 with MGS2 mechanics kind of breaks the game, but isn’t it neat that we can?
It took me ages to finally play Twin Snakes, i bought a copy but never owned a Gamecube or Wii, so i got around to emulating it a few years ago and massively enjoyed it. I think playing it after so much distance from all the other games makes it feel like less of a "serious" thing and that helps, if it came out now the memes would be insane, it's like i'm playing a ridiculous fan remake from someone who is obsessed with The Matrix and the silly additions and cutscene direction just make me chuckle. The gameplay of MGS2 is my favourite in the whole franchise so naturally i have a blast playing Twin Snakes, almost to the point where it would be my preferred way to experience the first game, i've played through MGS1 and watched other people play through it many many times all of its conversations and cutscenes are burned into my memory, it's in the core of my being, so while i myself am not missing anything by playing a weird version of it i would of course recommend the original vision to new players.
Good video. This was a balanced look at what was made better and worse in the gameplay of Twin Snakes. Some previous retrospectives had overstated the case against Twin Snakes’s gameplay. I think the style of the cutscenes is strange and wrong, but a lot of popular arguments misdiagnose why. The problem can’t be the sheer fact that they are over-the-top, unrealistic, or use slow-motion-the later games do all this as well, but generally do it very well. I think the problem is more subtle stylistic issues, such as too many long awkward pauses. However, this is hard to articulate.
The backlash was, and still is, a massive overreaction. Fun fact, the cutscene director WANTED to faithfully recreate the cutscenes, but Kojima insisted the guy go with the over-the-top Hong Kong action style he was known for, as that was the entire reason he'd suggested him for the director role in the first place. So the most hated part is something Kojima enthusiastically endorsed. Does it go too far? Yeah, a little. The missile scene was that one step too far for me. But for some reason the majority of the fan base acts like it completely ruins the game, and I just don't find that to be the case. The other major point of contention is the redone voicework. You touched on Grey Fox, but it was more than that. Apparently the old audio was deemed to low quality for the GC's sound processing over the PS1's. They weren't going to redo everything, but Hayter campaigned for a full cast reunion, which they mostly managed. The two biggest changes, after Fox are Naomi and Mei Ling. Mei lost the borderline asian-caricature accent (which she should never have had if she was born and raised in the US, as she stated), wich is a positive. Naomi, though, lost the British accent and I'll be honest, even I felt like Jennifer Hale's performance felt... subdued. I don't know if it was the voice director or if this was a project she only took on under obligation. But Naomi felt ... weird. I do believe it was at least partially an intentional change, as when Naomi returned in MGS4, she didn't have the English accent there either, so it seemed to me that this was Kojima saying that TTS was definitive MGS experience, without coming out and blatantly stating it.
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Thanks for the video I personally thinks that twin snakes is the original mgs 1 for me
It _is_ a very faithful remake. Just the voice acting is subpar and the cutscenes are super extra, and the FPS mechanics from _Sons of Liberty_ do not fit into Shadow Moses Island. Apart from that, it is pretty faithful.
For some reason the rat eating the PAL key, while present in both versions is dependent on how many times you were caught up to that point from what I’ve read
It's tied directly to that. If you're on a No Alerts run (Read as: Only four mandatory alerts allowed), you'll always have to contend with the rat eating the card. I believe it's no more than 10 total alerts, else you just go into the drainage ditch to get it. Of course, getting Game Over'd and continuing adds existing alerts to your total, so it's possible to have this occur after dying a couple times, instead.
It’s kind of interesting how MGS2’s gameplay was a big improvement on 1’s, yet with Twin Snakes you can clearly see that the original never was meant for 2’s mechanics since it utterly breaks the pacing of gameplay. I’m not sure what they should’ve done outside increasing the number of enemies, but they could’ve done something…or just given it the graphical upgrade without the added mechanics of MGS2, idk
This has been an incredible journey so far re-experiencing the highs and lows of Metal Gear with you! I'm really excited for you to cover Snake Eater. But also Portable Ops and Peacewalker which I think get unfairly overlooked (especially Portable Ops). And what about Acid 1 and 2? Since you covered Snake's Revenge, it seems you are even covering non-canon titles. Will you be covering the Nokia mobile game, as well? I've never played it and have only heard tales that it bridges the gap between Solid 1 and 2.
I'm definitely doing the Acid games, and I'm not entirely sure about whether or not I'll be able to get good footage of the Nokia game, but I'll do it if I can figure out a way 🙂
Somebody's seen jackdonsurfer video recently titled: Metal Gear Solid vs. The Twin Snakes: How Not to Remake a Classic (Comparison, Critique, & Review) Let's see what new you have to add to the table, because we already know that remake is a failure on all fronts
Despite all the weird inconsistencies I still like it a bit better and the 4k texture pack on dolphin forums just makes the game look completely amazing.
Also, to help with backtracking, the developers added liquid nitrogen and steam pipes to the Metal Gear Rex's hanger, so now you dont have to run all over Shadow Moses trying to change the pal card.
I haven't played Twin Snakes because I didn't have a GC and never really saw the point in playing it. Not a fan of Greg Eagles getting replaced by Rob Paulsen as the Gray Fox Ninja. Greg had an incredibly tragic voice that made me cry. Damn, still does.
There are two things I hate and one thing I'm torn on - Sniper Wolf's death is one of my all time favourite gaming moments and changing that scene(especially by removing The Best Is Yet To Come") bothered the hell out of me. Secondly, they made Otacon way too goofy and clumsy(he was already goofy and clumsy enough)which lead to some scenes, like the ending, being tonally ruined. As for the director, Kitamura, I'm a huge fan of Versus and his flare absolutely Elevated several scenes, but Some were just too much(I'm looking at you rocket jump.. ..)even by Metal Gear Standard.
I bought this title when it first came out in 2004. Last time I played it was around 2011. And I just started playing once again, and at least for me, it aged well. My experience with it got much better, with my earbuds the soundtrack is way cooler
I wouldn't say it's bad, but the original still reigns Supreme with the voice acting, music, cutscenes, it's defintly a good experience if you've played MGS1/2 but it doesn't mean it's perfect since it's more of a MGS2 mod than proper remake
In the original one, Car chase in the end of the game, you can press Triangle and shoot with square at the same time and have a first person view same like twin snakes.
@@notcole What's a "nightmare" is killing Mantis on Extreme in MGS without changing port or using the statues. Just straight on attacking him until he dies. Not really a _nightmare in terms of difficulty_ as long as you're being _super_ careful... but the thing is it takes a damn long time, so if you mess up and get killed after depleting most of Mantis's health that's, well, not fun. For max pain do it without savestating and without the bandana (that means you have to move around to collect ammo, which puts you at more risk). Don't know if this is even possible in TTS or how difficult it is.
The biggest thing that this game has going for it that the original game couldn’t compete with that people fail to recognize is the amount of options it gives you sure I hear people complain about the first person shooting watering down the difficulty and i get that to a certain extent but there is nothing stopping players from NOT using the first person features in the first place you can still play the game the same way it was made originally to begin with because at the end of the that’s all first person mode is in the first place an added feature that is completely OPTIONAL that’s the key word here the whole sniper rifle sequence like the man said if you want to you can go all the way back to the armory and get it there OR you can grab the one that is much closer to the area that you had just left which makes things much more streamlined same thing goes for the whole Metal Gear Key Card sequence you can go to the different locations to change the temperature of the keys OR you can simply find the ledge in the Hangar that contains Metal Gear that has two differently colored pipes that will change the temperature of the key right there on the spot without the needless backtracking the thing that separates this game from the original game and I cannot stress this enough: OPTIONS! the sky is the limit and how you experience the Twin Snakes is completely and entirely up to you that’s what so many fans of the series fail to understand about this game if you get what I mean
This game was my first intro to the MGS world when I was a kid since I didn’t have a PlayStation. Loved it and it got me hooked. Proceeded to save up my money to bought PS2 and played MGS2, The original and so forth. It became my fav series and to this day MGS3 is still my fav game of all time. Looking back at the twin snakes, while it is goofy. I still love it. They did a good job porting it over for the Nintendo audience that otherwise wouldn’t have touched this series.
Great video! Just a quick note, the part of a rat eating the PAL key is present in the original MGS game. It just doesn’t happen all the time. I believe it’s random.
Granted there’s more characters you can run into in Phantom Pain, I wish they would’ve just gotten random folks for voice acting as Phil LaMarr can be heard everywhere at Mother Base. lol. I don’t mind though.
Honestly it's not bad as a game and the dumb cutscenes are fun in a kinda stoner way. The problem was how emblematic it is of mid 2000s "extreme" pop culture, which did lead to MGR:R but at the time it really sucked a lot of the soul out of the original's concept and fans had important, formative memories of certain story beats. For comparison, it's a similar feeling to a FF7 fan playing FF7R and realising the plot about time ghosts is pointedly making fun of them and declaring the original to be a mediocre attempt at the actual masterpiece which now exists. Or, if you like, this is the Raiden of MGS1 games. Hated until a redemption years later with further context.
I don’t get how people can say it sucked out the originals soul when this was the creators intended vision Like this is what mgs would have been if it released later… any idea of the original being betrayed is solely a perception on the players side. not saying that’s wrong but some people mix up their idea of what the original was or was trying to be conflicts with the creators
13:39 They don't show that scene in the original for tension and horror sake. Something MGS2 SOL also does with Vamp inside Strut B. It actually is better for Gray Fox, as it makes the player have a sense of fear and dread of him. The Twin Snakes Showing him slicing and dicing the Genome Soldiers removes the fear and dread and makes it a generic action scene. It lacks atmosphere. Which...is a problem with The Twin Snakes as a whole. It lacks atmosphere compared to the original game.
You can level up your grip to level 2 by doing pull ups while hanging just like in MGS2. They also added pipes near the PAL key consoles that you can shoot and quickly change the card cutting out a lot of needless back tracking.
my first Metal Gear game was MGS3, and then THIS version, followed my MGS2, and MGS4. I am playing the original MGS1 now and am very much enjoying it, and do love its slightly more serious tone that it seems to have. I will say though, at the time of playing Twin Snakes originally, nothing about its absurdity felt all that out of place with the rest of the series. My biggest issue with Twin Snakes is just the changes to the soundtrack
Back then, I played the OG MGS 1 about like 10 times, both in English and Japanese (ah the joys of PS1 piracy) and I was SO READY for this remake to come out and absolutely loved the heck out of it, so much so that it's the only version I ever played for two decades straight since it's release (!). To me, the only issue I had with Twin Snakes is that it didn't include the VR Missions from Integral, they would've slapped so hard with the newer MGS 2 mechanics, something that Konami actually did with the release of MGS 2 Substance.
I’m sure for some people this was their entry to the series but for me and my friends who had all played the original on PS1 this was just a fun remixed bonus version so I didn’t mind the balance was messed up or the cutscenes were cheesy. Not to mention it was an amazing technical showcase for the GameCube at the time.
Nope, it was a great game and it got a lot of hate because ppl can't stop comparing the og to twin snakes. Both are unique in their own ways, and the OG will always be the best. But, i fully enjoyed twin snakes for what it was.
I just played and finished MGS The Twin Snakes a few days ago (for the sake of experiencing it myself), and I can say that I enjoyed it like any other MGS games I've played. It's kind of a refreshing experience even though I've played the original myself. The voice acting though, was a downgrade, especially Jennifer Hale's (Naomi Hunter) performance. She sounded so monotonous that I find myself skipping a lot of codec calls when she's on it. While I don't mind the lost of accent, I just thought they could've done better with the voice acting. The cutscenes if you ask me, were hilarious that I sometimes forget that I'm playing an MGS game. Still kind of enjoyed it though, despite it's ridiculousness most of the times. MGSTTS isn't bad overall and I really liked it, but as most people would agree, the original is still superior. Also, 19:26 - The original MGS also had the "rat ate the key" mechanic. I don't really remember how it triggers though. But yeah, you either get the PAL key directly from the drainage ditch or from a rat that has eaten the key.
Non-lethal weapons really made some ethical comments that Liquid makes about Solid killing his "brothers" not land in the twin snakes as you had no choice in the original.
Twin Snakes was the first Metal Gear Game I ever played. As a long time fan playing all the games sense, I honestly LOVE this game. As much as the fans who are older then me disagree, Solid Snake being known as ( The Legendary Soldier ) him doing flips as well as dodging shots makes sense to me and it gave me a feeling that the person I was playing was actually skilled and amazing at his job. Also getting the pistol in the beginning is only on the easy mode. So playing it on normal and up makes you work for the guns. Just saying.
So, would you ever try the Metal Gear Solid mobile phone game? From what i heard, apparently it's not a demake of the first MGS game, but actually takes place between the first and second mgs game. At least from what i heard anyway.
I'm definitely considering it! I haven't decided one way or the other yet just because it's still a few games out, but if I can find a good way to capture footage of it then I likely will 🙂
Twin Snakes was a great way to replay this back in the day. I played the original in 98 and was thrilled to get to replay it with updated graphics and gameplay. I loved it.
My mother knew I was such a huge fan of Metal Gear that she bought me a game cube just for this game! FYI…. I’m a grown man and still have my Solid Snake action figure
While my friend plays both, he still enjoys both of them. The original for nostalgic and audio being better. Remake for thr better graphics and controls.
The reason why Mei ling Lost her accent was a ctually a small correction on the devteams part. As Mei ling is stated to be Chinese American(this was in the original too). Meaning she grew up in America her whole life so it wouldn't make since for her to have such a Strong Chinese accent.
It was also a pretty egregiously bad accent, like borderline racist for some of the line reads and this was a significant improvement imo
@@TheDJZ123 And it carried on to MGS 4.
@@TheDJZ123 it wasnt that bad come on now
@@filipeflower damn you're everywhere
@@joeysx5573 That's what happens when one's addicted to Online activity.
I love how they say it is too over the top with snake jumping on a missile but vampires running on water, man spitting bees out of his mouth like bullets, bullets dodging a woman with a railgun, dislocating limbs and climbing trees, an old man sniper with the speed of a cheetah, lightning power villains, oh that gets a pass, nostalgia is one hell of a drug lol 🤣
not to mention the transylvanian skeleton man, the fire whale, the lightning man now on fire, the homoerotic vampire that came back, the cyborg ninjas, the floating children, the giant 20 foot tall bipedal mech in 1984, etc.
Hahahaha, the list goes on, I haven't even mentioned the first two metal gears on Nes that started all the craziness 😂😂😂
NANOMACHINES SON!
the mgs brand of insanity even carries into survive, which takes the nanomachine abilities from previous characters and takes them to their logical conclusion of consuming all life in a gray goo event only to solve its own starvation by creating a conditional groundhog day loop that allows the hivemind to grow forever. bonkers
To be fair none of those examples come from MGS1, which Twin Snakes is a remake of. The wackiness in Twin Snakes did bring MGS1 more in line with the rest of the franchise.
I don't care about the negativity. Having never played the original, Twin Snakes was the first Metal Gear game i ever completed, and as a 14 year old kid it completely blew my socks off and instantly made me fall in love with the franchise still to this very day. And for that I will always be grateful. Thank you Nintendo and Silicon Knights!
Thats another topic of discussion, that, if we had experienced the mgs with twin snakes first, wouldnt we love it more , and we wouldnt hate the extra things done ? I would not like the original if i played twin snakes first. I think
This was my 1st metal gear game as well and I have yet to play the original. I liked it and went on to play all the others except 5. When I pick up the master collection as some point I’ll play through the original
I experienced the original first back in 2000 and I can say that Twin Snakes is objectively the better game.
Same here; MGSTS is the first MGS I played and I loved it. The corridor scene is absolutely awesome.
@@Mateoski97 You can say it but you'd be objectively wrong.
Enemy AI was improved, giving enemy soldiers the ability to communicate with each other and detect the player more intelligently with senses of sight and sound enhanced.
The only thing that annoys me personally about the dislike for this game is the people who pretend that Kojima wouldnt have done this. Every game after this is flashy and silly and over the top as well. MGS1 being so serious was the oddity, not the norm.
I disagree. As put there as the later games got, none of their cutscenes featured Snake doing backflips with jet engine sounds. Otacon didn't fall on his face when comforting dying Emma. Basically twin snakes was full on cheese. MGS3 for example had very grounded style.
@transformersrevenge9 fair enough on those points, but the rest of the games had real cheese. Even 3, I mean the whole Ocelot growling thing is pretty cringey in its own way.
It definitely has its own different type of cheesiness to Kojima led productions, If it's the wrong type, I can't blame you, but my point is just that it's not like the rest of the games are that much more serious in their moments.
MGS 1 was as grounded as it was because of the technical limitations of the PSOne. Just look at MGS2 as a whole both in the goofy department and in the fact that it's also a retelling of MGS1.
@@diegomedina9637 My brother in christ, I have the game open right now, at the Solidus fight at the end. NONE OF IT WAS LIKE TWIN SNAKES.
you mean vamp spinning around to dodge bullets wasn't cheese? olga jumping about and doing awesome ninja shit wasn't cheese? hell even solidus using his little tentacle thingies to to make a cannon, or jumping around and killing 3 metal gear rays with 5 p90 smg rounds? a fat guy rolling around on skates planting bombs? twin snakes' ridiculous style is completely inspired by mgs2 brainlet. so what if snake does backflips when it's convenient or even just to cheese? any grown healthy man can do a backflip, so a legendary mercenary and agent such as snake wouldn't see it as much of a problem.@@transformersrevenge9
People complained about the anime cut scenes, yet all the games after had the same style of action
People like to forget that Eva backflips a motorcycle off of Ocelot’s face in MGS3. The crazy cutscenes in this are not that out of the ordinary for the series.
@@deftech5072 even Kojima didn't like this as much praise as he gives it when mgs 4 had flashbacks to shadow Moses they used the ones for the ps1 version of mgs 1 not this one
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That's less about Kojima dislike and more about appealing to PlayStation fans. The series is heavily associated with Playstation and most of them wouldnt have played Twin Snakes. The original has the stronger nostalgia effect.
Silicon Knights wasn’t solely responsible for the new cutscenes. Kojima handpicked Movie director Ryuhei Kitamura, who is probably best know for directing "Godzilla: Final Wars" or his own film "Versus".
Also the rat eating the key happens in the original depending on how many alerts you get.
Looking at the rest of Kitamura's work, the exaggerated action suddenly makes a lot of sense 😂
@@notcole I was a HUGE FAN of him at the time (I loved Versus), but even I had to roll my eyes at some of the cinematics.
Yeah, I am a big fan of Kitamura and his action directing. Final Wars is still one of my favorite Godzilla films. And while I do enjoy it's silliness, I agree that maybe it would have been better to have those updated animations on a "special edition" mode for replays or something.
A kind of "you've played the serious version. Now let's just goof around" -Mode.
Maybe it could be done for a rerelease. Reverting gameplay and cinematics to the original but keep the updated models and textures. And have the silly mode there for the completionists.
It's come out in recent years that Kitamura was planning to keep the cutscenes more in line with the originals, but Kojima stopped him. Kojima is the one who pushed him to be over the top with them. He picked him for a reason, after all!
Silicon knights had made a shot for shot remake of all the scenes, and kojima asked them to redo everything and make them more like matrix. The man actually likes this version.
19:49 - In the original game, during the jeep escape you can use first person shooting.
I'll have to try that next time! I guess I just never thought to since shooting in first-person isn't normally something you can do 😅
You can also control the soldiers with second controller )
@@evriesman5430 WHAT! That’s so cool are you serious?
The rat hunting was in the original too
@@notcoleAdditionally Metal Gear Solid Intergral (a Japanese exclusive version of MGS1 with English VO and mostly text) has an unlockable mode to toggle playing the entire game (with some exceptions) in 1st person. This can be toggled at will allowing quick switching in situations where the mode is unhelpful.
It's unlocked by beating the game completely once or unlocked by default in the GOG version as that's based on MGS Intergral and they unlocked it as a fun extra thing while trying to get it to run on PC.
MGS Intergral is included in the Master Collection but will require unlocking it the normal way unless you can mod the game files.
The twin snakes soundtrack is so 2001 with the techno beats 💯
I personally don't like the grey fox hallway cutscene. The whole thing is you're supposed to go: "what? Tf happened here?" And they now just spell it out for you, ruins the whole moment imo
A lot of people have said that MGS Twin Snakes was just the account of the story from Otacons perspective. He loved anime action movies so this story makes perfect sense to me.
I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this yet, but you actually can fire in first person during the final chase in the original MGS too. It's something the game doesn't tell you and it makes the fight much easier as you can keep liquid stunlocked doing it.
Just a correction the original game has a rat eat the pal key in the drainage ditch as well so that's not a change in twin snakes
Yes, that's true. It just didn't happen on every play through. Sometimes the rat ate it, sometimes it didn't.
Does it only happen on higher difficulty?
no it happens on all diffculties i think. just random@@tracyburnham604
@@tracyburnham604no, it happen to me on my first time playing. I did an easy play through.
It just happens randomly @@tracyburnham604
Twin Snakes Remake is basically MSG1 with MGS2 graphics
I lay all the hate of Twin Snakes at the feet of the Resident Evil 1 Remake. It was such a monumental remake, perhaps the best ever. So when the mgs1 remake was released two years later it couldn't be seen as anything but a failure despite how much fun it is.
It doesn't matter if it's a video game, movie, or cartoon show. If a 10/10 hit comes out before you, you will be seen as a failure unless you're also 10/10.
That'd be more reasonable if it was released within the same year or months instead of two years. Even then, RE1 Remake wasn't perfect either, especially since it has butchered art direction and initially sold like crap.
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The general consensus back in the day was to praise REmake 1. It certainly didn't get the hate Twin Snakes got. And if sold like crap initially, it was likely because was a Gamecube exclusive while Resident Evil's fanbase was heavily associated with the Playstation.
"The action has been cranked up to the point of absurity-"
Me thinking about this fictional game series that features giant robot nuke launching behemoths, clones of the greatest soldier who survived being near two nukes, psychokinetic mental patients, robot ninjas, vampires, ghosts, parasites that turn people superhuman,NANOMACHINES and weapons and items that never run out of ammo or cause that same effect.
Yeah never understood the hate for twin snakes, feels accurate to me.
(Btw good video keep it up!)
If you thought the wolves were a pain on the first, you completely missed the point of them. Sniper Wolf is said to be feeding those wolves on a conversation (hence why the wolves cried over her death), and you're given her handkerchief. Equipping it makes the wolves friendly, since they recognize her smell. Alternatively, you can punch Meryl, equip a cardboard box, and she'll make the puppy wolf "attack" Snake in retaliation, making the puppy pee on the cardboard box. That box from then also has the same effect as Sniper Wolf's handkerchief.
These details on worldbuilding and characterization show Sniper Wolf as a kind hearted human, one of the reasons why Otacon falls in love with her.
The cut scenes were directed by a Japanese action film director, not silicon knights. They had no say in what happened with those cut scenes
The boss fights in the original game were somewhat cheap and clunky. They improved a lot in this version.
Something that may help people understand and appreciate this remake more- is that while it may not be canonical (though some parts of it remain almost unchanged storyline wise) imagine framing it through the lens of Otacon telling Sunny what he thinks happened on Shadow Moses and his idealized version of Snake as a Badass Action Hero depicted through anime action set pieces with matrix slow motion Max Payne bullet time is how he imagines Snake to have handled it.
Snake recalls it differently, but there’s further details that support this… mainly that every Otacon line isn’t reprised, and the details of what cyborg Nina did before snake showed up are captured in detail- because he had a closer connection with the events that unfolded in the nightmare hallway.
So the reason for MGS2 mechanics is that Otacon was actually a participant in the Big Shell and Tanker missions, so the “mechanics”are all based off what he KNOWS snake can do in the future but he thinks Snake did on Shadow Moses because he didn’t see how that went down, he was mostly hiding in stealth camo or in a locker or closet wetting his pants.
He didn’t know Snake didn’t have the ability to hang drop and use the grip gauge, he thought that was always there…
He didn’t know snake didn’t use the M9 back then, he knows snake used it on the Tanker to subdue Olga safely.
Why would he assume Snake was a bloodthirsty killer? Snake is his Hero.
And why would he tell Sunny that as a bed time story? Snake is her Surrogate Co-parent.
If you think about that while you play through the game everything you see Snake “do” that wasn’t in the original makes a lot more sense.
Ok so here is my theory in game universe lore if we want to think about it this way.
The reason why it looks like mgs2 with features and graphics and such is that it's the VR missions Raiden does as well as the tanker episode being a VR mission for Raiden. Both were referenced in mgs2 as being said vr missions for him that also explains all the extra stuff in the twin snakes like the over animated cutscenes and action being a retelling of said mission from legend and second hand accounts of said shadow Moses mission for example.
People say Twin Snakes is bad because of the amount of goofy sh*t that happens in it. Now that would be a legit criticism... If Metal Gear wasn't filled with goofy a$$ sh*t as early as the MSX and the NES games. Not to mention MGS2 which was released before Twin Snakes.
Whqt i love about the last cutscene with Liquid in Twin Snakes is that as he falls down he get back up to reach Snake, shows that even in near death he hates him.
While I do agree they made some changes like adding more guards on higher difficulties, it was still too easy because of the new additional framework of MGS2 systems. This is why not many of us play Twin Snakes as much as the original. I think they should just try again and get it right this time. Also the original was an extension of the original MSX games released in Japan. In the original MGS, you had small health to start out with. Like the MSX games it got bigger as you progressed. The only difference is in the original game, it was based on your ranking. Like if you killed a hostage, you'd get demoted and lose your increased maxed health. In Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake, It was after each Boss encounter. In fact almost everything from MGS was a carry over from Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake. For instance, you had to blow through a wall with C4, You had an unknown caller helping you out claiming to be your biggest fan, you had running up the tower as guards give chase, and a key that changes temperature in certain areas. This was done in mind for MGS because Kojima said not many Westerners played the original games. So he reused a lot of assets from the original games in MGS. If they were to remake MGS again, one company I'd like to see do it is Capcom. Reason being is they hit it out of the park with their RE remakes. Mostly. But I think because they have experience at puzzle games, they could probably reimagine the story. Keep it the same as the original. But make some tweaks to it. How'd they do the ranking system because the biggest requirement for Big Boss Ranking is you need to play on the hardest difficulty to unlock it for starters. Kill less guards even though in the new games, you have a non lethal gun. No alerts unless it's mandatory, no more than one ration used and no continues. It'd be interesting to see how Capcom would do that. That's just my opinion.
(Just wanna say that already wrote this under a comment)
I always say it mgs twin snakes is as faithful as it can be for a remake. It's even better than the original yep I said it. The whole direction of the game came from Kojima himself. He was producer and designer. Every mgs game had over exaggerated scenes.... I probably wrote this a dozen of times under mgs twin snakes videos in the past 2 or 3 years back then nobody ever said a bad thing about twin snakes my brothers who introduced me to mgs 1 even played it and they really loved twin snakes on paar with mgs 2 because they played mgs 2 before just to see a remake of mgs 1. And I swear nobody ever said all that crap that people are saying now against that game. And the thing is it's because of silicon knight games in 2013 to 2016 I saw all those youtuber people shitting on twin snakes because it was from silicon knight games and they had a big Controversy going on against epic games and they lost and needed to shutdown and I think they all just wanted to destroy the reputation of silicon knight games because the Media and people on youtube did thier part and said so many bad things about tts and silicon knight and thier games in general. And for now it all make sense because people are still doing it now and even worse with youtube as soon as some gaming news coming in people lying tellin things left and right and tellin story's to get views and get people based against a company or against each other. And twin snakes suffered because of all this. Till this day I getting angry seeing comments where people saying always the same stuff to twin snakes and those things are still all those things I firstly heard from some youtubers back in 2013-16. At least that's my observation with tts.
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Best video I’ve seen on the Twin Snakes. Personally I like to think of this game as a weird fever dream. A retelling from a different perspective. Not ACTUALLY, like I don’t believe it’s intended this way, but I make myself think this way so that I don’t completely hate it. Haha
Good stuff. Gonna binge the other MGS videos.
Also; I lovingly refer to it as Matrix Gear.
The strangest change to me was the removal of the final portion of the Grey Fox fight. Where he starts surging with energy and you can't get near him. You need to take out your gun and shoot him. I thought it was a nice little cap to the fight, where you have to figure out you're n ow allowed to do the thing that you couldn't throughout the battle to finish it off.
You don't need to use the gun. When the aura is starting to vanish you can punch him
I’m not a gamer by any means, but I love the metal gear franchise and going back to these games always bring me comfort. I am 28 going on 29 and I was introduced to metal gear through the twin snakes when I was around 13. I love this game.
I love The Twin Snakes, it's my favorite version of the story and is the version I play every time I replay the series.
One cool thing about TTS is, that when switching to MGS2 after finishing TTS, due to having the same engine and gameplay, it feel like you are still in the same universe and it's cool to see the transition, also it makes MGS2 easier since you are now used to the gameplay.
I like MGS1, but TTS aged better.
The Twin Snakes nonsensical cutscenes are more in line with the other MGS games than the original MGS, though.
I disagree. No other MGS games have the sheer amount of dumb and ridiculous moments as Twin Snakes. They have humor to them, but they rarely go into slapstick, or overblown action that boarders on insanity.
@@transformersrevenge9Vamp... That's all I will say about this. Now don't make me pull out the "Zanzibar Toxic Gerbils" card.
@@diegomedina9637 Vamp is a supernatural character. His entire thing is that he can move unnaturally. Human Raiden in MGS2 does not jump on missiles.
I agree. The whole part when Snake and Liquid are throwing punches on Rex screams MGS 4.
@@transformersrevenge9 Vamp is in fact not a supernatural character. His name doesn't come from vampires drinking blood but from the fact that he's bisexual...
I like the ridiculous cutscenes. Metal Gear got progressively goofier anyways, I can see kick flipping a missle happening in MGS4.
Snake got practice from skateboarding in MGS2.
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I play a version of MGS The Twin Snakes that has the original PS1 soundtrack modded in, and it really does make the game more fun, I also use an HD Texture Pack which makes the game feel more modern and in the original version also had a chance to have a rat eat the pal card, they also added where you could change the card closer to the end area where there are some pipes to the side of REX instead of having to backtrack to the hot room and cold rooms
Agree 100%. Not a bad game, but in terms of a remake it's inferior to the original in many ways.
I've seen many claim online that this is the "definitive" version of MGS1, using such flimsy justification as "now the cutscenes have been brought in line with how they are in the sequels!" (which is wrong, but I'll spare you my ramblings as to why) or because "Naomi and Mei Ling have their correct accents!" All I can say is, I strongly disagree, and have a nice day.
19:20 Actually, it is possible for a rat to eat the PAL key in the original as well! Whether it happens or not is either completely random, or based on factors that nobody has idea what they are.
Oh wow, I've played through the original twice now and haven't seen it happen yet. People really weren't joking about the amount of details you can miss in these games 😂
Right off the bat some of the complaints are pretty stupid. Looking at the footage here, it's pretty clear that it's not being played on Gamecube hardware, but emulated at a much higher resolution. Not to mention the fact that the game's not being played on a CRTV which the game was designed for, but instead on a different type of screen that it wasn't made for known to make games of that era look significantly worse. When you don't take that context with you when talking about the graphics like expressions and whatnot, the criticism about it simply isn't valid.
Also the extra ninja flips and slo-mo were all Kojima approved and mostly even suggested. This is what the original MGS1's cutscenes would've been like if it was possible for them to make on PS1 hardware at the time. So in regards to that, Twin Snakes is pretty much what MGS1 was envisioned to be in many ways.
This. Complaining about graphics about a 2004 Gamecube game is ridiculous
@@thenonexistinghero you can use a CRT filters on emulators to improve the look
@@awake7586 CRT filters are complete garbage and do not compared to actual CRT TV's. And clearly the creator did not use them.
@thenonexistinghero well no it depends I have seen very good imitations that mímic the tone, the vibrancy, and even that green and redish look that pixels get
And if you are extra picky you can enable curvature of the screen and that greish color thats so characteristic of crts
But yeah I can see most crt filters being bad
I was one of the people super hyped about this game when it came out, so I'm definitely biased towards this version over the original, but it's cool to see more breakdowns of what exactly changed from version to version.
Slight note on the voice acting - according to david hayter, the original audio was effectively recorded in a stairwell either due to the budget not letting them get actual studio time or to try and achieve an audio effect per request from kojima (I've heard both get said, no clue which is true, but both are believeable). This was fine on the PS1, but when they scaled it up to the GC, the audio was so poor, they had to redo everything. It's also why a bunch of other small changes got made - they had to kinda scramble to get everyone together and in a studio to meet the deadline.
Actually, it was recorded in a house where cars were easily heard driving outside. On PS1 the audio was compressed to the point where everything sounded fine. However, with the audio uncompressed for the GameCube, the car noises outside were audible, prompting their decision to re-record the dialogue entirely.
@@Sora2314: I just wish they had listened to the original game, so they could have recorded using the same inflections. A lot of the performances seem less...energetic...in thr _Twin Snakes_ version. Example: Otacon's warning about the stealth camp thieves.
@@Sora2314 Where exactly did you find that information?
Valla orijinali nerede çekildi bilmiyorum ama sesin yankılanması ve duyuluşu, sana gerçekten bir codec diyaloğunu yaptığını hissettiriyordu orijinalinde. Yenisinde ise bu hissiyatı vermiyor gibi. Hani minik bi cızırtı olur yani dijital değil de bi analogluk hissedersin ya, orijinal oyunda bu hissiyat varken, yeniden yapımda tamamen dijitale dönünce ve net ses duyulmasının yanı sıra hissiyatın da gittiğini bize gösteriyor. Sanki ses ekibi gelmiş ve yapalım da bitsin bu iş der gibi yapmışlar. Baştan savma olmuş yani
Watching this there are two points that stood out to me was your thoughts on the Dogs and dealing with Meryl in MGS1. I am curious as to if you ever used the Stun grenades much in your playthrough. As those are about the only two sections of the game where they are very useful I just spam the hell out of them for the Dogs, and the second you see any movement for Meryl you chuck a stun and she goes down.
P.S really enjoy the content. I really fun watching some experience both MGS and AC for the first time as a lifelong fan of these franchises from their earliest releases. Thanks for these fun walks down memory lane.
I've admittedly barely touched stun grenades... maybe I should try to use them more often 😅
I can't believe that you don't mention that you can change the Pal Key to Cold and Hot more easy thanks to two pipes on Rex's Lair. You need to grip to a hidden part and shoot said pipes with the Key equipped.
Teenage me thought the action and crazy cut-scenes were cool and I look back at them with goofy nostalgia. Grown men will complain about that but say that a game featuring bosses that shoot lightning, ghosts, and bees at you is the peak of Kojimas work. This game gets dogged a little too hard. I'd kill for remakes to put this much effort in as the norm.
You've probably already been told this by now, but the 1st person-shooting at the end of the game in the car-chase scene, and the rat eating the memory-shape alloy key card, were both apparent in the original game as well.
So after reading the comments after making this one, turns out I was right! But I doubt it does anything to alter the score?
Idk man, I loved it. I had played parts of it on PS1 and it looked and felt so clean on the GC. Solidified my love for it. I still think of it fondly.
The Grey Fox Hallway scene comparison is why I have a problem with Twinsnakes. It's style and flash over substance. The original scene wasn't supposed to be cool it was played as horrifying and suspenseful. It's up there with Sephiroth's trail of blood in the original Final Fantasy as a tense scene. The mystery is what sold it and had you the player and Snake wondering what the hell was around the corner.
I honestly think that it is still kind of horrifying but in the Rogue One Darth Vader hallway scene kinda way than the ominous kinda way
I think they're scary/suspenseful in different kinds of ways. In the original, we're shown a hallway of diced up dead men, in TTS, we're actively shown these bozos being diced up. Sort of a "dear god what happened" suspense versus a "dear god I have to fight THAT?" one.
@@mxcokokoExactly.
@@mxcokokoIt was a sort of homage to Asian movies. "Kill Bill" style.
Ah shut up
There are only a few minor things to like about TTS (such as the sniper rifle being easier to control or the ability to aim in first person view). But aside from those minor (and ultimately irrelevant) things, _everything is worse_ in TTS - not just certain specific things. What's mainly responsible though for TTS being worse is _the graphics and music._ While the overly dramatic action scenes are dumb, they're an overlookable non-issue compared to the graphics and music.
The TTS music is extremely inferior; it's not just worse, but it completely changes and destroys the atmosphere of the Shadow Moses base. It's entirely inappropriate.
And while the graphics is "better", the game _looks worse._ Graphically TTS is overall inferior. Graphics is more than just polygon count, it's more than just how realistic something looks. TTS looks worse than MGS no matter how the two games are rendered and displayed - regardless of whether they're played on the consoles through a CRT, or emulated. TTS has _always_ been worse looking than MGS; already upon release it looked worse - of course it looked "better" than MGS in the sense of the graphics being more technically sophisticated, and at the time it was cool to experience the MGS story through the new graphics, but _also_ it looked worse in the way described here. The difference is even greater when emulating, though. Comparing the two games emulated (with both "maxed out" as much as possible through emulation tweaks) MGS looks _even better_ than TTS. One can get MGS (via SwanStation) to look _vastly_ much more "high definition"; much clearer and sharper, and to simply be much more pleasant to look at, than TTS - which looks like a soft/blurry/fuzzy (not referring to the motion blur) mostly-grayish _boring_ mess, no matter what one does.
What makes TTS look worse isn't just its soft/blurry graphics, but more importantly its colors and lighting. Every area in TTS looks lifeless, stale, muted, boring, uninspiring, and many similar adjectives. Compare for instance the Commander's Room (the Mantis battle room; one of the nicest-looking locations in MGS): it looks incredibly good in MGS; the lighting and color is perfect, while in TTS the room looks like utter garbage in comparison. Every area in MGS is eye candy in comparison to the areas in TTS; everything looks better in MGS due to the colors and lighting. There's not a single place in TTS that looks better. And most of the areas in TTS are similar-looking to each other in terms of lighting and color; there's visually a sort of "sameness" across essentially the entire game, whereas in MGS every area stands out more - everything is more distinct and unique in terms of lighting and colors. And it's not just the colors and lighting, but also the overall _visual "composition"_ of each area is inferior in TTS - that's a bit tricky to put into words but if you compare each area in TTS vs MGS and disregard the inferior lighting and colors of TTS then you'll see there's also something else entirely, something more basic/fundamental, about the areas in TTS that make them look worse (it involves the placement of objects and distances between them and the camera angles and other things).
And yes the voice acting is inferior, but it's less of a problem than the music and graphics. The main problem with the voices though isn't how the voices themselves sound, but rather _how the lines are delivered._ The delivery usually seems lazy and seems "off" somehow. Almost every line is delivered in a better way in MGS. It's not that we were used to hearing the lines as they are delivered in MGS and therefore their delivery subjectively sounds bad to us in TTS, but rather the delivery really _is_ worse in TTS. It's objectively worse. They clearly put much more effort into speaking the lines in MGS; the voice actors were much more "into it", more mentally invested into what they were saying; like they were putting themselves into the roles of the characters more, whereas in TTS most of it sounds lazy and half-hearted in comparison. In that manner, the voice acting isn't just worse than MGS but also worse than the other games in the series.
And while certainly less important than the music and graphics, there's this strange "rubbery" sensation in the gameplay. "Rubbery" is an odd word to use, but it seems the most fitting. It's hard to describe; there's this weird sensation in TTS; things seem "rubbery" and "plasticy" and somehow fake and just _weird._ What causes this strange sensation involves the movement of Snake, certain animations (especially when fighting), and the sound effects, and the music also influences and contributes to this weird sensation, and the soft graphics might be contributing somehow as well. So there's this synergy of things causing this sensation. This strange sensation in the gameplay is something only TTS has; it's not present in any of the other games in the series.
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simply put you're wrong about it looking worse, mgs2's graphic style and by extension twin snakes' graphic style is very neat and polished. as for the music i cannot for the life of me figure out why people say it's so much worse, it's certainly different, but never in a million years would i say it's worse. people like to say that art is subjective and that there is no such thing as better and worse, but as soon as there's a hate train for people to jump on to they start throwing their unneeded and tasteless criticism around like a frisbee.
Well said. All excellent points.
i don't necessarily agree with all the points about the art style, but i agree with the general sentiment about the game. It does have a bit too much of the "this is the engine and tools we have at home right now at Konami. The least expensive way to do this is to basically MGS2 our way throught this project".
It's kind of what happened with Halo CE Anniversary, but i daresay even much worse. I get the people disliking CEA, but tbh i still feel like the final product has its own inner consistency. While it changes plenthy of the original's feel, it does deliver its own vision about, while Twin Snakes feels cheap, except in everything that makes the cutscenes look unnecessarily flashy.
excellent post
First of all regarding the PAL Key, in the original, there's also a chance for a rat to eat it so that's not new to the remake BUUUUUUUUT, and this is a big but. The backtracking has been completely removed if you know where to look. Instead of going back to the warehouse to cool it or back the blash furnace to heat it. On the same floor of the computer room, on the other side. There's are two pipes that's colour coded. One is blue and is one red. You know what that means? Equip the PAL key, shoot the blue pipe to cool it and then shot the red pipe to heat it. That eliminate the backtracking all together. A lot of people don't know about this haha. I'll be 100% honest, as much I adore the original, I simply prefer playing this remake and I hope it will come to a master collection one day soon. Just have all the Nintendo references removed, sounds easy enough lol. The cutscenes never bothered me. C'mon it's metal gear lol those cutscenes is nothing compare to MGS4 & 5 especially regarding "realism", you'll see 😅. Like you said the fans of the original just tends to overreact lol. A couple of things I would change/add, would be.. Add the VR missions from the original, have the ability to switch OST between the original to the remake. Lastly when you're fighting Ocelot, the ability to shoot in first person would be disabled to fix the balancing issue with this boss battle. I'm glad they kept codec faces the same lol. That was Kojima's choice to change the accents of Naomi and Mei-ling. Mei-ling is in fact Asian-Amercian and she was raised in America so it's makes more sense to have her Chinese accent removed. Same thing with Naomi, but the biggest difference is, she originally Rhodesian but she was raised and worked in America most of her life so it wouldn't make sense to have a British accent lol. They even kept that re-con in MGS4.
Mei ling is 100% American born and raised. Naomi is SUPPOSED to be convingly American. The accents were terrible because they never made any sense and apparently they were calls by people in charge and not the voice director. Its mentally insulting to hear people praise the story and accents but forget the parts of the story where they insinuate youre suppose to think theyre Americans.
Correction: An event of a rat taking the PAL key was present in the original PS1 version but only on extreme difficulty.
Also, during the final escape/chase scene, the first-person view was also possible on PS1.
Actually it doesn’t apply to just Extreme, the rat eating the key applies to all the difficulties in the original but it’s tied to how many times you got spotted [same for TTS]
I believe if you got spotted 10 or more times, the card key would be in the drainage ditch without the rat (most likely because if you got spotted that many times, the developers would think you’re having trouble so they toss you a bone)
I just had an idea on how to balance Ocelot’s boss battle with the FPV aiming. Have Ocelot deal a lot more damage to Snake, like one shot and he’s half health.
That implores the player to keep moving to dodge the bullets since you can’t move in FPV and you don’t have a lot of time to manually aim your gun across the room.
The thing with the rat eating the key exists in the original too, i think it depended there on how often you got spotted. I also think you can find the PSG1 in the Wolf cave in a hidden area, meaning even less backtracking. Same goes for the pal key temperature backtracking, there is a small area you can drop onto with 2 pipes, one with hot stream and one with cold stream, when shooting the pipe. Weich, when equipped, instantly heats or freezes the card as needed
14:47 I am sorry, but I am gonna disagree with you on that point....Grey Fox was handled better in the original.
Especially in the hallway scene, I don't think showing him killing the soldiers was as effective as the original scene.
In the original the scene was alot scarier because it was handled like a horror scene...showing you the aftermath of his rampage and them them showing you a soldier saying "It's a ghost" before falling dead when you reach the hallway...makes you more scared of the capabilities of this invisible entity and when I first played it, I was genuinely worried about the mere idea of fighting him.
The scene in the remake is just mindless wanton voilence and gore that just doesn't have the same effect...the original allowed you imagination to run wild with it, the remake didn't leave anything for the imagination and thus it's alot less scary.
This may be the first time I’ve seen you use footage from your streams in your reviews
It's definitely rare, but when I know the perfect clip already exists in a stream, I'll yoink it 🙂
I love Twin Snakes. I agree that the original is better, but everyone always reviews it in direct competition with the original. I think it should be viewed more as a fun novelty.
Sure, playing MGS1 with MGS2 mechanics kind of breaks the game, but isn’t it neat that we can?
It took me ages to finally play Twin Snakes, i bought a copy but never owned a Gamecube or Wii, so i got around to emulating it a few years ago and massively enjoyed it.
I think playing it after so much distance from all the other games makes it feel like less of a "serious" thing and that helps, if it came out now the memes would be insane, it's like i'm playing a ridiculous fan remake from someone who is obsessed with The Matrix and the silly additions and cutscene direction just make me chuckle.
The gameplay of MGS2 is my favourite in the whole franchise so naturally i have a blast playing Twin Snakes, almost to the point where it would be my preferred way to experience the first game, i've played through MGS1 and watched other people play through it many many times all of its conversations and cutscenes are burned into my memory, it's in the core of my being, so while i myself am not missing anything by playing a weird version of it i would of course recommend the original vision to new players.
Good video. This was a balanced look at what was made better and worse in the gameplay of Twin Snakes. Some previous retrospectives had overstated the case against Twin Snakes’s gameplay.
I think the style of the cutscenes is strange and wrong, but a lot of popular arguments misdiagnose why. The problem can’t be the sheer fact that they are over-the-top, unrealistic, or use slow-motion-the later games do all this as well, but generally do it very well. I think the problem is more subtle stylistic issues, such as too many long awkward pauses. However, this is hard to articulate.
The backlash was, and still is, a massive overreaction. Fun fact, the cutscene director WANTED to faithfully recreate the cutscenes, but Kojima insisted the guy go with the over-the-top Hong Kong action style he was known for, as that was the entire reason he'd suggested him for the director role in the first place. So the most hated part is something Kojima enthusiastically endorsed. Does it go too far? Yeah, a little. The missile scene was that one step too far for me. But for some reason the majority of the fan base acts like it completely ruins the game, and I just don't find that to be the case.
The other major point of contention is the redone voicework. You touched on Grey Fox, but it was more than that. Apparently the old audio was deemed to low quality for the GC's sound processing over the PS1's. They weren't going to redo everything, but Hayter campaigned for a full cast reunion, which they mostly managed. The two biggest changes, after Fox are Naomi and Mei Ling. Mei lost the borderline asian-caricature accent (which she should never have had if she was born and raised in the US, as she stated), wich is a positive. Naomi, though, lost the British accent and I'll be honest, even I felt like Jennifer Hale's performance felt... subdued. I don't know if it was the voice director or if this was a project she only took on under obligation. But Naomi felt ... weird.
I do believe it was at least partially an intentional change, as when Naomi returned in MGS4, she didn't have the English accent there either, so it seemed to me that this was Kojima saying that TTS was definitive MGS experience, without coming out and blatantly stating it.
Thanks for the video
I personally thinks that twin snakes is the original mgs 1 for me
tbh I enjoyed the Twin Snakes more than the original
SC Knights did a fantastic job .. It gave us the option to play 1-3 proper on the same engine. Thats a vibe..
I loved twin snakes when it came out (I was 14) I look back on those memories fondly , I loved the original too
It _is_ a very faithful remake. Just the voice acting is subpar and the cutscenes are super extra, and the FPS mechanics from _Sons of Liberty_ do not fit into Shadow Moses Island. Apart from that, it is pretty faithful.
I personally think the Psycho mantis theme and the Disposal facility alert theme sound very good for this remake💙
For some reason the rat eating the PAL key, while present in both versions is dependent on how many times you were caught up to that point from what I’ve read
It's tied directly to that. If you're on a No Alerts run (Read as: Only four mandatory alerts allowed), you'll always have to contend with the rat eating the card.
I believe it's no more than 10 total alerts, else you just go into the drainage ditch to get it.
Of course, getting Game Over'd and continuing adds existing alerts to your total, so it's possible to have this occur after dying a couple times, instead.
It’s kind of interesting how MGS2’s gameplay was a big improvement on 1’s, yet with Twin Snakes you can clearly see that the original never was meant for 2’s mechanics since it utterly breaks the pacing of gameplay. I’m not sure what they should’ve done outside increasing the number of enemies, but they could’ve done something…or just given it the graphical upgrade without the added mechanics of MGS2, idk
MGS1: the story of shadow moses through the eyes of snake
MGSTS: the story of shadow moses through the eyes of otacon
This has been an incredible journey so far re-experiencing the highs and lows of Metal Gear with you! I'm really excited for you to cover Snake Eater. But also Portable Ops and Peacewalker which I think get unfairly overlooked (especially Portable Ops). And what about Acid 1 and 2? Since you covered Snake's Revenge, it seems you are even covering non-canon titles. Will you be covering the Nokia mobile game, as well? I've never played it and have only heard tales that it bridges the gap between Solid 1 and 2.
I'm definitely doing the Acid games, and I'm not entirely sure about whether or not I'll be able to get good footage of the Nokia game, but I'll do it if I can figure out a way 🙂
Somebody's seen jackdonsurfer video recently titled: Metal Gear Solid vs. The Twin Snakes: How Not to Remake a Classic (Comparison, Critique, & Review)
Let's see what new you have to add to the table, because we already know that remake is a failure on all fronts
Despite all the weird inconsistencies I still like it a bit better and the 4k texture pack on dolphin forums just makes the game look completely amazing.
Had me at the very fair review of Twin Snakes which I love. Then BAM surprise muthafuka ACE COMBAT GAMES.
Earned my sub
Also, to help with backtracking, the developers added liquid nitrogen and steam pipes to the Metal Gear Rex's hanger, so now you dont have to run all over Shadow Moses trying to change the pal card.
In the original MGS a rat can also eat the card. You can use the mine detector to see where he is even
I haven't played Twin Snakes because I didn't have a GC and never really saw the point in playing it. Not a fan of Greg Eagles getting replaced by Rob Paulsen as the Gray Fox Ninja. Greg had an incredibly tragic voice that made me cry. Damn, still does.
There are two things I hate and one thing I'm torn on - Sniper Wolf's death is one of my all time favourite gaming moments and changing that scene(especially by removing The Best Is Yet To Come") bothered the hell out of me.
Secondly, they made Otacon way too goofy and clumsy(he was already goofy and clumsy enough)which lead to some scenes, like the ending, being tonally ruined.
As for the director, Kitamura, I'm a huge fan of Versus and his flare absolutely Elevated several scenes, but Some were just too much(I'm looking at you rocket jump.. ..)even by Metal Gear Standard.
I bought this title when it first came out in 2004. Last time I played it was around 2011. And I just started playing once again, and at least for me, it aged well. My experience with it got much better, with my earbuds the soundtrack is way cooler
On the original PS1 version, there's a chance of the rat eating the PAL key as well
I wouldn't say it's bad, but the original still reigns Supreme with the voice acting, music, cutscenes, it's defintly a good experience if you've played MGS1/2 but it doesn't mean it's perfect since it's more of a MGS2 mod than proper remake
It was originally advertised as a sort of remix back then.
In the original one, Car chase in the end of the game, you can press Triangle and shoot with square at the same time and have a first person view same like twin snakes.
Psycho Mantis on Dolphin sounds like a nightmare.................................................................................... Is it?
It's definitely not bad if you prepare ahead of time since Dolphin will save your controller configs... but I didn't think ahead... so yeah kind of 😂
@@notcole What's a "nightmare" is killing Mantis on Extreme in MGS without changing port or using the statues. Just straight on attacking him until he dies. Not really a _nightmare in terms of difficulty_ as long as you're being _super_ careful... but the thing is it takes a damn long time, so if you mess up and get killed after depleting most of Mantis's health that's, well, not fun. For max pain do it without savestating and without the bandana (that means you have to move around to collect ammo, which puts you at more risk). Don't know if this is even possible in TTS or how difficult it is.
It is. You'd have to keep dying until you get the statute codec call
The biggest thing that this game has going for it that the original game couldn’t compete with that people fail to recognize is the amount of options it gives you sure I hear people complain about the first person shooting watering down the difficulty and i get that to a certain extent but there is nothing stopping players from NOT using the first person features in the first place you can still play the game the same way it was made originally to begin with because at the end of the that’s all first person mode is in the first place an added feature that is completely OPTIONAL that’s the key word here the whole sniper rifle sequence like the man said if you want to you can go all the way back to the armory and get it there OR you can grab the one that is much closer to the area that you had just left which makes things much more streamlined same thing goes for the whole Metal Gear Key Card sequence you can go to the different locations to change the temperature of the keys OR you can simply find the ledge in the Hangar that contains Metal Gear that has two differently colored pipes that will change the temperature of the key right there on the spot without the needless backtracking the thing that separates this game from the original game and I cannot stress this enough: OPTIONS! the sky is the limit and how you experience the Twin Snakes is completely and entirely up to you that’s what so many fans of the series fail to understand about this game if you get what I mean
This game was my first intro to the MGS world when I was a kid since I didn’t have a PlayStation. Loved it and it got me hooked. Proceeded to save up my money to bought PS2 and played MGS2, The original and so forth. It became my fav series and to this day MGS3 is still my fav game of all time. Looking back at the twin snakes, while it is goofy. I still love it. They did a good job porting it over for the Nintendo audience that otherwise wouldn’t have touched this series.
Great video! Just a quick note, the part of a rat eating the PAL key is present in the original MGS game. It just doesn’t happen all the time. I believe it’s random.
Granted there’s more characters you can run into in Phantom Pain, I wish they would’ve just gotten random folks for voice acting as Phil LaMarr can be heard everywhere at Mother Base. lol. I don’t mind though.
Honestly it's not bad as a game and the dumb cutscenes are fun in a kinda stoner way. The problem was how emblematic it is of mid 2000s "extreme" pop culture, which did lead to MGR:R but at the time it really sucked a lot of the soul out of the original's concept and fans had important, formative memories of certain story beats.
For comparison, it's a similar feeling to a FF7 fan playing FF7R and realising the plot about time ghosts is pointedly making fun of them and declaring the original to be a mediocre attempt at the actual masterpiece which now exists.
Or, if you like, this is the Raiden of MGS1 games. Hated until a redemption years later with further context.
Exactly. It just screams mid-2000s "edginess".
I don’t get how people can say it sucked out the originals soul when this was the creators intended vision
Like this is what mgs would have been if it released later… any idea of the original being betrayed is solely a perception on the players side. not saying that’s wrong but some people mix up their idea of what the original was or was trying to be conflicts with the creators
@@rustingflamberge When they bring out terms like "Soul", it's because they have no real arguments.
@@Mario_N64 so true
13:39 They don't show that scene in the original for tension and horror sake. Something MGS2 SOL also does with Vamp inside Strut B. It actually is better for Gray Fox, as it makes the player have a sense of fear and dread of him. The Twin Snakes Showing him slicing and dicing the Genome Soldiers removes the fear and dread and makes it a generic action scene. It lacks atmosphere. Which...is a problem with The Twin Snakes as a whole. It lacks atmosphere compared to the original game.
You can level up your grip to level 2 by doing pull ups while hanging just like in MGS2. They also added pipes near the PAL key consoles that you can shoot and quickly change the card cutting out a lot of needless back tracking.
17:50 you forgot something... CHOLE!
Where is my Zone of the Enders ref... CHOLE!?
>:@ You know I have Issues.
chole
(Kidding. Great Video.)
my first Metal Gear game was MGS3, and then THIS version, followed my MGS2, and MGS4. I am playing the original MGS1 now and am very much enjoying it, and do love its slightly more serious tone that it seems to have. I will say though, at the time of playing Twin Snakes originally, nothing about its absurdity felt all that out of place with the rest of the series.
My biggest issue with Twin Snakes is just the changes to the soundtrack
Back then, I played the OG MGS 1 about like 10 times, both in English and Japanese (ah the joys of PS1 piracy) and I was SO READY for this remake to come out and absolutely loved the heck out of it, so much so that it's the only version I ever played for two decades straight since it's release (!). To me, the only issue I had with Twin Snakes is that it didn't include the VR Missions from Integral, they would've slapped so hard with the newer MGS 2 mechanics, something that Konami actually did with the release of MGS 2 Substance.
I’m sure for some people this was their entry to the series but for me and my friends who had all played the original on PS1 this was just a fun remixed bonus version so I didn’t mind the balance was messed up or the cutscenes were cheesy. Not to mention it was an amazing technical showcase for the GameCube at the time.
the most common complaint most people have is the classic " they made it easier so the causals can play" argument.
Nope, it was a great game and it got a lot of hate because ppl can't stop comparing the og to twin snakes. Both are unique in their own ways, and the OG will always be the best. But, i fully enjoyed twin snakes for what it was.
I just played and finished MGS The Twin Snakes a few days ago (for the sake of experiencing it myself), and I can say that I enjoyed it like any other MGS games I've played. It's kind of a refreshing experience even though I've played the original myself.
The voice acting though, was a downgrade, especially Jennifer Hale's (Naomi Hunter) performance. She sounded so monotonous that I find myself skipping a lot of codec calls when she's on it. While I don't mind the lost of accent, I just thought they could've done better with the voice acting.
The cutscenes if you ask me, were hilarious that I sometimes forget that I'm playing an MGS game. Still kind of enjoyed it though, despite it's ridiculousness most of the times.
MGSTTS isn't bad overall and I really liked it, but as most people would agree, the original is still superior.
Also, 19:26 - The original MGS also had the "rat ate the key" mechanic. I don't really remember how it triggers though. But yeah, you either get the PAL key directly from the drainage ditch or from a rat that has eaten the key.
A rat ate the key in the original also
Non-lethal weapons really made some ethical comments that Liquid makes about Solid killing his "brothers" not land in the twin snakes as you had no choice in the original.
Twin Snakes is the goat and I will hear no slander to the opposite.
Twin Snakes was the first Metal Gear Game I ever played. As a long time fan playing all the games sense, I honestly LOVE this game. As much as the fans who are older then me disagree, Solid Snake being known as ( The Legendary Soldier ) him doing flips as well as dodging shots makes sense to me and it gave me a feeling that the person I was playing was actually skilled and amazing at his job. Also getting the pistol in the beginning is only on the easy mode.
So playing it on normal and up makes you work for the guns. Just saying.
So, would you ever try the Metal Gear Solid mobile phone game? From what i heard, apparently it's not a demake of the first MGS game, but actually takes place between the first and second mgs game. At least from what i heard anyway.
I'm definitely considering it! I haven't decided one way or the other yet just because it's still a few games out, but if I can find a good way to capture footage of it then I likely will 🙂
@@notcole thanks for letting me know!
Twin Snakes was a great way to replay this back in the day. I played the original in 98 and was thrilled to get to replay it with updated graphics and gameplay. I loved it.
19:36 That also happens in the original. All depends how many times you've set off an alert mode.
My mother knew I was such a huge fan of Metal Gear that she bought me a game cube just for this game! FYI…. I’m a grown man and still have my Solid Snake action figure
While my friend plays both, he still enjoys both of them. The original for nostalgic and audio being better. Remake for thr better graphics and controls.
Glad to see your thoughts, happy to see it today!!
As someone who played this and watched their older siblings play it on a CRT...no, the blurring did not look better on a CRT.