Orange SUPER CRUSH 100... Can It Handle Low Tuned Metal?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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People always sleep on Orange amps for modern metal. They can be SO mean when dialed right, especially with a boost.
I honestly think they're the best amps for metal. They're so versatile and have a badass sound.
I think the goofy look is not in their favor when it comes to hooking metal players. Jim Root from Slipknot is an Orange guy though, that's some nice brutal low tuned stuff.
People get scared of how fuzzy they get but don’t realize.all with the correct dialing you can get such a great tone
Lmao fr, my micro dark absolutely kills live
I mean if this video is as good as they sound for modern metal, there's a reason they're slept on. This tone is awful
I have the Super Crush and that thing is sick! You can get a super awesome metal tone without having to use any overdrive or boost. I love it. Also my settings on it are Treble at 12, Mid slightly 1 O’clock, bass same as mids, and gain turned almost all the way. Lol 😂
I just bought the Mayo pedal because of this video :D
Actually friend of my stepfather used Orange (i don't know which model) for Grindcore and his Progressive Technical Death nonsense and he would never buy a Marshall Amp. Orange is really specific in high gain
I think what I'm hearing that I'm not liking is coming from the guitar/pickups? Not a fan of the pudgy-ness of string attack? it sounds like your volume knob is turned down just a little bit and you're not picking hard, which it looks like your picking fine? so maybe it's just the guitar I'm not liking
Perhaps! But it's also important to keep in mind that the videos done at 42GS are with gear that I am unfamiliar with and that have been played by a lot of other people before/after me (so no idea how fresh the strings,. etc are). The hope is that these brands will want to continue to work with me so I have more time to experiment in my home set up in the future :)
Sounds like a marshall with a boost. Way too crunchy and bright. Makes it sound harsh to me
Orange amps can sound so incoherently angry when you dial them the right way. I really can't believe they don't get more use in the death metal/grindcore realm with how snarly and saturated you can make them sound while still having good note definition. Maybe not the tightest things in the world, but not all metal needs pristine tightness.
plus, like, boost pedals and overdrives exist. I play my Orange with a Precision Drive out front. It's fucking brutal.
Great for chunky death/grind sub genres for sure.
As far as I know, Trent from After The Burial still uses Orange and Jacob Devinder from Abandoned By Bears does too
Plumes in front of a Rockerverbs distortion channel can get me into some nasty tones.
Bought the dual dark for my old grind band, used it on every record. It really is the perfect amp for it.
I think Orange are overly judged to fit only for Doom/Stoner/Rock. I’ll admit, when I bought my Rockerverb mk3 I got it for those styles. But, I realized it was capable of even tech death when I recorded for Viraemia. It had a gritty midrange that added heaviness to the VHT Deliverance and Engl Powerball I was using. Those other amps were already tight with a clean boom on the low end but the Orange added the grit that was missing to make it sound heavier. In a world where everyone wants the same overly used “tightness” for all their amps, Orange provides something that is uniquely their own. There is nothing like an Orange and that is what makes me appreciate it so much.
Fuck yeah Viraemia!!
Oh wow, I’ve listened to that EP so many times over the years and never would’ve guessed they used an Orange. It sounds incredible though
Adam is a champ. Anytime I don't know what I'm doing, I call upon Adam. He always saves the day!
But no dancing this time! 😂
@@adamsteelproducer disappointing!
It me! Chug chug chug….. 🧡
Thank you for doing these vids with me my dude!
You did well, Adam. I give you 5 stars!
"Can it handle Low tunings?" Yes, have you not heard of Doom Metal?
Slomatics use orange amps and they tune way, way down to F#, F#, B, E, G#, B
Sexy tuning mmm;)
Did this “audio engineer” just say that a tube screamer does ONE thing? 🤦♂️ I can name three different uses/settings just off the top of my head. You also don’t need 5 different amps for different gain voicings. Neurosis used a Fender Twin in parallel with a Mesa Boogie and they cover every single gain stage and voicing imaginable. Narrow minded audio engineers are the reason that home-recordings are thriving
Ade and Chris combined to form the Orange of DOOM. 🤘🏽
One super Jupiter orange please! 🥤
I think it was bit of a missed opportunity with the overdrive, could have tried to turn the low knob down to make it really tight. Just like how EQ pedals can be used as overdrives.
If I understood Adam correctly, the low knob at 0 doesn’t change anything and we crank it right it cuts low end. I don’t know that what they’re hearing in the room is being translated well through the video recording and RUclips’s compression. It also didn’t help that the earlier part of the demo is panned hard left 😅 it also sounds to me like they’re switching back and forth between the room mic and an xlr out or an amp mic
@@ZL1LoVeR Yea you're right. A bit counterintuitive design/labeling on the knob though, I was fooled right away.
@@ZL1LoVeR youtube no long compresses audio just so you know
That boost is wack. Get a Boss Super Overdrive on there.
I think it sounds shitty for low tuned modern metal may just be the vid or mic sounds like it has no push or that chuggy low end
Kinda reminds me of Black Tongue's guitar tone off of Nadir 👌👌
i hear an amazing black metal tone hidden in this amp.
There's nothing quite like a dimed orange, they just have a character all to their own
It has its own unique sound. Perfect for any metal or hard rock really. You can tweak it to sound like a Randall which is cool.
after the boost came on, big yes.
Chris Jupiter don’t play, see the Titan or OhmmachT as examples 🤘🏽
15 minutes of nothing but talking dude people come to hear how it sounds but you guys talk way too much
A lot of people forget that IWRESTLEDABEARONCE used to use Orange amps, and A Day To Remember had both guitarists as official Orange endorsed artists until very recently (I think they switched out for Common Courtesy). Also worth noting is that Jim Root has been using their Rockerverb amps, usually blended with a Friedman or 5150 III EL34, on every album since Iowa (on Iowa he actually blended it with a Rivera Knucklehead). Brent Hinds of Mastodon, as well as both Chino and Stephen from Deftones, also use them. The clean tones of early Korn records saw Head using a Hughes & Kettener Attax solid state amp paired/biamped with a Rockerverb for the clean tones, and then his distorted rhythms were usually a Mesa/Boogie Dual Rec double tracked with the Rockerverb as a layer. Also, Molotov Solution used to play with Orange amps back in the day. Fuck, Matt Pike from Sleep/High on Fire uses them, as does Ben Bruce of Asking Alexandria.
Lol an i wrestled a bear once reference....thought i was the only one that liked some of their stuff......check out nuclear rabbit album mutopia after you like that try their earlier weirder stuff one of my fav bands ever
You are 100% correct about those bands using them. However those all use orange flagship amps. And they are truly different beasts. I love my super crush head and have compared it to the rockerverb which others claim is its big brother. Through the same cab they almost sound identical. The area where I notice the difference is in playing it. I don’t know how to describe it, but the super crush required me to pick differently which wore me out a quite a bit quicker.
I do fully support this analog head. The cab sim is its Achilles heal. Doesn’t cut it with di to front of house.
However I’ve recorded this head quite a bit over the last year into a 2x12 v30 closed back cab. It sees more play than any other high gain amp I own.
I recommend a gate pedal. It loves to get noisy just like a tube orange. I use the tc sentry because it works on your input and fx loop signal at the same time.
In short. Sounds great. A tad different feel in playing to me.
Oh and it tastes like Kevin Bacon. So there’s that
@@Thearcherfl I use a DI box in the loop with an IR loader and it works much better. I use a precision drive clone as a boost, along with a 4 cable noise gate.
@@Thearcherfl the built-in IR on the Super Crush is hella weird, and tbh it's like the cab sim is not fully implemented, or run in a split signal that recombines with the unaffected tone, as it lets in way too much high end harshness and the low end is out of control and somehow boxy at the same time, so it would need another cab sim or IR in post. Personally, I just use it as the monitor signal to my band's IEM rig. FOH can mic the cab or I'll use the IR loader and DI box in the FX loop.
I have an Orange Micro Dark... even that thing works for low tuned stuff. Orange are great amps.
I just think orange amps sound hideous. And I know I'm in the minority here
what i got from this is that this amp does NOT do modern metal tones. Just doesn't get tight and percussive enough. More in the lines of In Flames, Lamb of God, Slipknot, etc tone territory.
These amps really come to life with a graphic EQ in the loop. The simple Bass Treble Mid layout on these amps makes it 10x easier to dial in tones with an external EQ, allowing you to get a numerous range of tones on par with any modern high gain tube head.
“Isn’t used much in modern metal” **Laughs in Jim Root**
Slipknot is a 30 year old band
I’ve always loved the orange tone, but never associated it with metal until I saw Traitors at a So What Music Fest and one of their guitarists had an orange head, and they were definitely one of the heaviest bands at the festival and sounded killer
Traitors tone is fucking dope
the amp is 500, but the pedal that fixes it is 180.... so the amp is not really 500, is it?
I love those ice mans (icemen?)...why they didn't put a TOM bridge on them and a 27" scale is beyond me. Anxiously awaiting the phoenix black metal 7. Basically my dream 7 string (if it had a stopbar and a passive route pickup it would be!)
ibanez hates anything but 25.5
@@sinisterpumpkin7585 those bastards!
@@sinisterpumpkin7585 Yeah they're kinda misreading the trends. They do have some multiscale 7's, but their butt ugly headstock design for them ruins the aesthetic. The one production 27 inch they made a prestige has a floating tremolo lol.
@@spoonerluv and the Iron Label one with the Gibraltar bridge has mixed reviews... I like that bridge, it's quite good on the RBIG21
@@spoonerluv what about the RGIXL7
Knocked Loose had nothing but Orange when I saw them the first time at Warped Tour.
did baena just use the same guitar as me. i feel honored
I was looking for an amp that sounded good at higher volume and liked pedals. I also wanted a high gain dirt channel. I know that would be a challenge because I needed it to be affordable. I have always dismissed Orange as retro vintage psychedelic rock gear. I had noticed some metal bands using Orange. That sparked my interest. I found the Super Crush on an online store and read the description. Next I watched videos on RUclips and knew I had to have it. Then I waited 6 months before I found one. It took me a month to dial it in and add the fx wanted in there. After some good advice I put my Boss 7 band EQ in the effects loop and that sent the dirt channel over the edge. Best amp I've ever owned.
Slipknot Jim Root mainly use Orange Rockerverb 100 MKIII and the Super Crush 100 is a solid state version it.
I felt the Iceman poking into your right thigh there
yeah it doesnt look too comfortable
Haha! I didn't really notice it when I played it to be honest but it definitely looks pretty intense. Definitely not a shape made with this sitting position in mind but I still love it anyways
Yeah it sucks for playing and sitting down if you use the "classical" position.
Am I crazy but I don’t think it sounds that great for modern metal. I’m sure it would work in some applications but I wouldn’t play a show with that tone.
Youre not crazy, that gain sounds horrible, fuzzy, and all over the place. Not tight at all
Are you running pedals? Mine just sounds muffled on the dirty channel no matter what i do, i have the combo
I been using solid state Oranges for years, people stay sleeping on them.
Came for the Iceman, left with some knowledge that Orange has a pretty good tone.
I know I’m a year late but it looks like these pedals are discontinued and are hard to find second hand currently. Does anyone know of a suitable pedal that’s similar? Thanks
Can confirm, Adam is a nerd.
I think it sounds horrible. Not a good metal tone at all. And im very confused as to why people are hyping it as good.
Orange tube amps make for great stoner rock amps.
Orange amps can definitely metal. Easy to achieve on my crush 35rt and it sounds great
Sounds bad.
I want that mayo pedal but can not find one! What is the equivalent of that thing?
Vol 3 is a masterpiece of production
Not a lot of people know that Jim root actually uses Rockerverb 100
I have a Rocker 15 that I use, and the gain is not my favorite sound, but I use just the natural channel and run pedals into it, and it makes for a great tone.
Haha I have this one, the Orange is in my opinon really cool^^
anyone know what tuning this is in? idk how this'd work for an 8 string
wata from boris uses one, so of course it can!
Don't ever count out Orange! They're the best imo
I was researching this amp for weeks now wondering the exact same thing. THANK YOUUUU!!!!
I actually own this amp! So cool to see it sounding like this and it basically works as a tutorial in my case!
I didn't see a cabinet speaker 80% of the tone..
The super crush loves Celestion Redback 150watt speakers 🔊
I have this amp in the combo and boost it with a Pepers Pedals Dirty Tree and it gets really brutal for modern tones.
Every time I want to love orange I play one and it’s never the sound I expect to get. I feel like I always need to crank the gain but it gets so dark and mushy. The only one I really love is th30 but the eq is so limited
Theyre just for post hardcore and clean. Not for metal at all, no matter what these guys are trying to push. You shouldn't have to try to sell an amps tone, it speaks for itself. When they do more talking about it then hearing it, its bad.
Kirk from Crowbar/Down plays that amp and his tone is impeccable
He still uses the Randalls live
Love orange. Some of the best I've ever played.
This is a fun experiment and I hope you get to replicate it in a better setting than a convention 😄 I don’t know that what y’all are hearing in the room is being translated well through the video recording and RUclips’s compression. It also didn’t help that the earlier part of the demo is panned hard left 😅 it also sounds to me like y’all are switching back and forth between the room mic and an xlr out or an amp mic. It’s tough to get everything dialed in the way you like when you’re not using your own gear and when you’re under a lot of pressure to finish recording because I’m guessing other content creators are also waiting in line. All things considered this was an enjoyable and informative video as usual. Thanks for introducing us to Adam, Andrew!
There's one on my shelf and I play it 9/10 times. They use jfets which is an unpolar transistor which is a mostly-off transistor as opposed to a mostly-on bipolar transistor. They are an amazing alternative to tube amps. Most of the time you won't be able to even tell the difference. A tube amp sounds even better the more you crank it. In my experience jfets sounds great the entire way through the volume band and they're a dime a dozen
Is it good for hardcore
In the @CSGuitars (Hey Collin!) video he explains that the Super Crush basically has the circuitry of the Pedal Baby Power Amp in it, that's why it sounds pretty close to a valve amp like the Rockerverb.
Not quite. The clean channel is the pedal baby. The dirty channel is the rockerverb circuit with Jfet transistors instead of tubes which is as close as you can get to a tube with solid state it does tube stuff but a little quicker where when gained you can get controlled feedback and it can oscillate as the feedback comes in and other cool sound artefacts you have to find them and use them musically.
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I remember back in the day..Ocean ate alaska just using orange and blackstar for recording their song in Lost Isles album..and it's sounds cool ❤
I don't know what it is, but I just hate the way the distortion sounds on this one. Sounds more like a weird fuzz sorta thing and less like the roar I love to hear from amps. But I used to play in a metalcore band where one of the guitarists had an Orange (I think a rockerverb?) and it sounded fantastic, even for modern metal sorts of sounds.
😂 funny skit guys😂
Listening to this with a good pair of headphones and the lowend is definitely not good. Its got some some sort of flaky brittleness in the mids and low that I cant quite put a finger on. This inclues with the booster
what they are getting there sounds ass. with simple 808 and orange rockreverb I had nice modern tones ))
That guitar is literally stabbing you in the leg. That looks so uncomfortable.
I have to admit that I didn’t really care for the sound of this amp with the down tuned metal. It just sounded too loose and muddy in the bottom end, even with the overdrive engaged. But that’s just my opinion and is obviously completely subjective. To each their own and I do like the fuzziness of the orange sound for some stuff.
Less gain = more string growl, so if you want that tight modern sound, less gain, I'm talking 4 or 5 o'clock on the dial then tune to taste.
I bet they were using V30 speakers which sound like a$$
To be fair, Misha Mansoor of Periphery used an Orange Tiny Terror at some point. Not sure if he still does!
I guess Andrew is good but it sounds like some one having a seizure to me.
Early squaaad!
if anyone thinks orange isnt good for metal, the band spite uses them on their newer albums. hard to find a heavier band than them honestly
Hi! Your video is fantastic! I have a stupid question...
I've got an ORANGE SUPERCRUSH 100 HEAH and a ORANGE CRPRO412 but i'm not sure that they are connected right.
Head has two outputs (under of them: 1x8ohm 1x16ohm 2x16ohm))
Cab has two inputs (in the middle of both: mono)
I dont know what head output I shoud connect with what cab input....
Can you help me??
The PPC412 is a 16 ohm so use the 1x16 ohm socket.
Orange and Vox AC30s are insane for metal
All mids and reasonably priced, please and thank you.
great left behind cover
Jim root of slipknot uses orange amps
Sounds like slipcock
Jim Root uses Orange.
I use the precision drive in front of mine
How the headroom?
Does this amp connect to two cabs??
The Ghost Inside uses orange too
Sounds good man. filthy
I dont hate it
C64 represent
Sounds incredible, only missing is sub bass switch eq which would obliterate the next guy in line 😅🤗🤗🤗😊👍👍👍
Don’t need it use a cab with Redback speakers in the bass is teeth rattling.
That Iceman is gooooorrrrrgeous 😍
Great vid 🤘
Kirk Windstein from Crowbar used Orange for a bit, I believe it was either a rockerverb or a crush. Jim Root uses Orange also.
I think he used to use Randalls, but IIRC the Orange he uses is the CR120, the predecessor of the Super Crush.
Pepper Keenan from Down is who uses Orange amps. Kirk likely used them in Down as well for touring convenience.
less talk, more rock.
No
Orange amps always kinda sound like boxy farts to my ears and I have a TH30.