What YOU should learn from the latest Mayhem Monday Video
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- I understand I am speaking to a select few of you here.
This is incredible content put out by CrossFit Mayhem.
Let me know your opinion on Froning's reaction in the comments.
Have you experienced a toxic atmosphere from behavior like this?
Lets hear it in the comments.
Fully agree with Rich. He knows how injuries can happen and how intensity should be distributed throughout a workout. His workouts have a purpose.
This was the best crossfit contant video on youtube. No BS. Just straight to the point and not making you wait through a 20min video.
Thanks man! Just trying to put out what I have wanted for the past 8 years lol
Great perspective! I definitely came in with the mindset of “oh this Rich dude seems like a control freak” but I just had no idea about the reason why you HAVE to be a control freak in an environment like that- very enlightening and I have more respect for Rich now.
His line about “chalk in the bucket” I don’t think was about filling the bucket if you empty it, it was about putting chalk on your hands inside the bucket so you don’t get chalk and chalk dust all over the surrounding floor
Understood you'rre spot on!
If you're an old school Froning fan boy, he did the same thing to Jason Khalipa in his old garage gym. "Chalk IN the bucket" "We don't have people cleaning up after you" Which is totally right.
@@kanehura2086 LOL and Jason was shook. Rich goes, "I don't have associates... ahem assets to clean up the gym like you lol" Was that a Barbell Shrugged podcast?
@@vzndrvn yeah dude, that’s the one. He was sooo shook! But he’s totally right though. People need to be aware of the things they do in and around the gym. Gym etiquette 101.
Luke is a lot more humble than people give him credit for. If he’s hitting it too hard on the back end of a piece it’s probably not to showboat. From what I’ve seen he does everything in training with good intentions for himself and his teammates. Give him the benefit of the doubt. He deserves it. Looks like he made a mistake. Rich corrected it. Just a coach looking out for his athletes and frustrated by some redundancy in his effort to do so. Commonplace in sport
Agree he does seem like a good guy. It is in guys nature to do things like that is all.
I agree with Froning. There are many, many positives with CrossFit. The positives far outweigh the negatives... But one thing I have noticed in my 13 years of doing this wonderful sport... It can really bring out the ego in people... Sometimes for the better, but often for the worse. People get so hung up on being the fastest or lifting the most. Their technique goes to shit and they start cutting corners on every rep just to "win". Not good. Intensity without quality is worthless. That's why Rich was one of the best champs ever... Pretty much no matter how tired he got... His reps were still excellent.
Nice video man. I've been finding myself watching your stuff more and more. I like that you always have an opinion that goes agaisnt the status quo. It's refreshing.
Just the way my mind is wired I guess. It usually triggers me to see support of things that are just wrong. So it's easy lol. Thanks for the support!
This is great. Gonna make me rethink how I approach certain workouts going forward.
There is always an intent! Sometimes the plan is to finish hard. Just stick to what's on the agenda
Rich isn't referring to if you empty the bucket fill the bucket, he's saying if you use chalk, chalk up in the bucket because he doesn't want the mess all over his gym.
Thanks for clearing that up. I didn’t think that made much sense lol
It actually started back when kalipa and rich were training at his house (maybe day in the life doco - the one where “what’s rich doing” was born) … rich got pissed with Jason for dropping chalk everywhere because it’s expensive .. and he was like “we don’t all have a CrossFit empire bro! Chalk in the bucket!”
Haaha I did not kow this. Good to now know it!
Thank you for watching our videos, and I will say to Luke's credit...his heart is in the right place, and I genuinely believe he doesn't do those things to flex his fitness. It's just Luke doing what he thinks is right...I think he would still do that had it been only him alone in a dark room. Luke has a heart of Gold.
You bet. I love all of the Mayhem videos! And I’m sure any person allowed to train there is a great person, Luke included. Just something that does ruin an environment, and I think it’s awesome how it was presented and more incredible how Rich squashed it.
Without knowing Luke and with this being the only context it does leave things up for interpretation.
Rich said he has done that numerous times. Seems like a good guy all around
@@Krumholt Also heard that
In the following Mayhem video Rich says there was a public outcry (ok, it was 1 comment) 🤣 for Rich to be nicer to Luke…. But I do believe Luke means well; or Rich wouldn’t have him in team Independence…
Yes I agree. Nice of Rich to re adress that
There is no one like Rich Froning. He was, is and will always be the GOAT and the reference for anyone in the Sport of Fitness.
Good stuff!! In my opinion, Froning is the best to ever do it.
Just saw this??? ‘Twas an interesting analysis/ commentary! Ha. Good Job!!
Gotta Love these Kids! FYI, Luke is still in the Barn! Haha
Glad you liked it! Also glad that Luke is still in the barn lol
Really interesting stuff and thoughts. That pause at 8:16... I thought you were about to break down in tears or something :)
Rich Froning has a Michael Jordan like expectation for his team. Love it!
Only way to be if you want to be the best!
You MUST set boundaries when you have a business and I respect froning for that.
Of course. He is a role model for much more than his fitness accolades.
@@hillerfit major facts
Angelo Dicicco talks more about that rule and it being a known issue with the people who workout there during his interview on Sevan’s podcast! Don’t sprint the last set to get the win, disperse the effort throughout the workout and hit the stimulus and get better
Really?? I listened to that podcast and I missed it. I'll have to go back!
Rich is possibly the best ever in the sport at knowing how to pace throughout the whole workout
I would say the best!!
So it is likely he was trying to make this educational
There's a difference between training and competing. He's right...do the workout as prescribed to get the most out of the training stimulus.
Amen
Rich's methodology is absolutely right.. is the "punishment" a bit much or a bit too direct? Yeah, probably. Unless, this guy has a habit of not following the programming / coaching... Which, as it when on, it does seem to be the case, so then it's probably fine. Working out with Rich, whether you pay him for or not, is a huge privilege. Listen to the dude.
Had the pleasure of a drop-in at Mayhem a few years ago, everything there is for a purpose. Rx isn’t about weight. 50 wb, sled push, 50 wb. The sled weight was irrelevant. Rx was wb unbroken. Period. Do everything in life with intent, with a purpose.
I preach this with my program! Wish more like you realized it's importance
Good that Rich holds his athletes accountable. However, the old adage "Public praise. Private criticism. " seems applicable here. A lot of group drama created in making that such a big deal, when Rich was probably the only one who caught Luke's transgression.
Yeah that may be a better method. Some people need to be put down inpubic for it to sink in though. Just opinion.
@@hillerfit I'm thinking more along the line of the team dynamic. If you're trying to build team, calling out an individual publicly embarrasses that person, fosters resentment, and can cause other members of the team to think of the person as a "s-bird". If that person creates the situation publicly or involves other members of the team, then 100% call them on it or your authority will be undermined.
I agree with you. We live in times where we have the resources to learn how to communicate not only better but more effectively as well. We need to do away with public shaming! Anyone in their right mind wouldn't support behaviors like this. I certainly would never step foot into this box now knowing how their owner respects their members.
?? All group knows Luke has done it in several occasions in the past. No need all the secrecy. Also, issues need to be addressed on site as soon as they are happening to prevent them from escalating.
Why would you see it as public shaming? I see this as Rich Froning (no less) teaching him (and the group alltogether) a valuable lesson.
@@bgg7518 I totally agree. Perspective is the difference. If people watch this video in isolation, they would think negatively about Rich but they should watch the evolution of this group and they will see that he has nothing but love for all who come into his Family.
He was looking out for the guy and for the other guys. He threatened the week suspension to show that he was serious. Lew knows that he has a great thing going and doesn't want to screw it up. In our society, some people want to be talked to nicely and delicately. I think uses his experience as a volunteer firefighter to lead others in his gym. In high risk jobs, if you don't listen and learn lessons, you get hurt or dead.
Def didnt really see that perspective the whole exchange was over my head Ur very edifying
Not going to lie I had to look that word up haha But thanks! Much appreciated!
@@hillerfit lol its a give and take
Puts more context to all the weird drama around Rich. Mat Fraser, Matt Hewett... etc.
“Alpha” mindset can be hard to be around for some.
This is a great point. Not easy! Usualy worth it though
Or maybe it's more that it's hard for TWO alpha mindsets to be together. Don't just think Rich in one context was the only alpha.
@@charistalks totally.
Froning went straight up dad mode. So clear he’s the alpha…
Hes the man
You look so high in this clip. Thanks for this content
Been hearsing that since 8th grade lol and nope wasn't high then either
@@hillerfit I've bi ged your cn tent and it's like finally someone talking about this stuff.!
Keep it coming!!
Yessir!
I’m a Rich fan, but this was too much. He’s talking to Luke like he’s 5. Should have been handled one on one, not in front of his crew, and not on RUclips. Show respect to get respect
I think "my house, my rules" applies here. Maybe harsh for youtube. But better than most of the fufu BS out there.
He allready said it happened multiple Times. When the one on one doesn't Work, Sometimes Somebody needs some tough love.
I understand what you’re saying, but we’re talking about practice here. Not a game. Practice. We talking about practice.
@@geoffiida3315 true enough, but it's his job and company too. Not Just practice.
I agree with you on this. I wouldn’t want anyone talking to me like that in front of everyone and I guarantee nobody talks to Froning like that. Regardless of where he is training.
I think Rich is just looking out for the health of his team and trying to keep injuries away from them. Any good leader keeps his crew in check when they could damage the unit. If he would get injured everyone would feel it, it would change the whole dynamic of what they have going.
Yup! thats the point I was trying to make. When the bad creeps in it has to be snuffed out. Good for rich
Agree, work hard enough to stay injury free
You said, “Bye 🤯!!” No Andrew Hiller out? Great video though
I've been doing crossfit at an affiliate for almost 8 years now and can attest to the negligent abuse equipment takes. Now not everyone may be aware but that is why gym owners need to educate people and be strict in the enforcement of these rules to preserve the longevity of the gym equipment. It is crazy how expensive little items are and if the owners do not have piles of cash just laying around they inevitably have to eat that cost or raise our monthly dues. So stop dropping barbells that have a single soft rubber ten on them!
Kinda like Jordan in the Last Dance. (But nicer) firm and fair
Good informational and opinion piece about the Mayhem video. I would just like to respectfully disagree about your “toxic environment” comment. Individuals behave in a variety of ways and in a free society we don’t try to manage “environments” or decide ahead of time what is “toxic” for a group. I respect each individual to decide whether he or she agrees with Parker’s behavior or not and whether or not to emulate it. This isn’t kindergarten. Now that is a separate issue from the coach or gym owner’s right to make rules and expel those who do not follow the rules-whether it concerns chalk or how to safely execute a workout. But to claim that Parker is not allowed to behave in a certain way because it is “toxic” is to claim a) you define “toxic” for a whole group and b) that implicitly everyone has to agree with that definition and agrees that everyone else must be “protected” from it. That seems to be a dangerous proposition.
Of course! Appreciate the respectfulness lol . And I suposse this comes from my personal perspective as a gym owner. I see where it can go from here. Its possible it wasnt happening now but eventualy it festers.
It is toxic behavior. One bad apple ruins the bunch.
I don't blame froning, his gym his business his team! Mfs are always trying to out do the alpha and not the best for the team.
It’s in the male nature to show off. While you can’t blame him, it’s still important for Luke to know his place and be smart.
@@hillerfit absolutely, especially for the younger guys.
Could you please let me know which post is the one where you mentioned why you don't like those programs?
Thx in advance
All on Instagram. Ill make a video
Can you do more videos on the good/bad programs to follow !?
I know this isn’t about the dexcom he has on, I want to know what you think about it. I guess because I’ve worn one for 13 years for health reasons, I don’t understand why someone who doesn’t suffer from dangerous BG fluctuations would want to wear it.
Ok what I am hearing is that there is a methodology behind the programing coming from Mayhem. My affiliate uses Mayhem training. My question is this. When these companies (not just Mayhem) sell their training do they sell the methodology with it? OR do you just get the workout. I feel like sometimes that methodology is not being passed down, all the customer is getting is the WOD that's it. I think that the methodology and reasoning behind WODs is just as important.
100%
If you write a workout well enough I think that the method is passed down in a way.
But I often see most programs have neither that NOR an intent to a workout. Those are the ones that piss me off.
@@hillerfit Thanks for the video, sounds like we are on the same page.
Can't speak for any others, but I've coached CompTrain, DekaComp and PRVN programming. Each describes the intended stimulus and each describes their context within the cycle. It also depends on your coach and the day, whether or not they find it best to explain programming methodology or just relay the workout and let the methodology work its magic. Always trying to find that balance between cerebral and tactile.
In a fully practical sense, I disagree with Froning that "you'll get injured" sprinting the last bit of a 200m repeat (Luke was most definitely not at a full sprint pace, and not even the entire distance, and running on an air runner is not the same as ground/track). A high percentage effort run on a final repeat can actually be a helpful indicator of your capacity for further sessions. On the other hand, we don't know his behavior the last week or so that Froning references, so may have just been Froning's judgement to create a teachable moment.
I am not a CrossFit athlete, but do some CrossFit-style workouts..nothing frustrates me more, is someone who rushes through to finish the workout first, and does the exercises half-assed to get there. I have passed on group classes because of it.
And the whole time all they care about is winning. Well you can want to win. But do it that right way
Yep, I’ve been in and out of CrossFit classes for a decade. Good gyms call out/correct people half assing or shorting movements. But sometimes there are a few stubborn shorters that everyone knows about and you’re not really going to cancel their membership or anything. Still good places have a way of keeping the culture strong and keeps out most of that. Have a feeling Mayhem would kick someone out eventually though!
Focus on doing the movements right yourself and beating old you, so you can take the most out of each CF class. Why do you get frustrated by how other people choose to train or move? It doesn't make any sense. In my box I know who the fittest people are, I do not care how fast or slow they finish a workout compared to others... It doesn't matter.😉
It’s almost like you’ve experienced a dynamic like this before…
Oh you know it. Unfortunately
Rich being Rich… Those 1 week suspensions turns into a year and into two and so on. Lol
Oh damn, is that the truth? Expansion on this would be awesome.
Froning is a tool!
Matt McCusker's evil twin Matt McCrushker
no matter what the boss wants i will no bah dee dah dee dah LOL
Yeah, he didn’t say, “If you empty the chalk bucket, fill the chalk bucket,” what he DID say was “chalk in the bucket,” meaning don’t strew chalk all over the place when you’re applying it your hands. This is also one of my rules as an affiliate owner. Just to clarify 👌🏼
Also, how is the first running interval workout NOT a CrossFit workout?
Yup I got it! My mistake. Just oversight
What I take from that was if you have that much left in the end you have sand bagged the whole session. That was the only thing I took from it. I wouldn't been impressed or whatever.
I think Rich’s ego is huge
Huge and awesome
Which Mayhem video was this from?
Maybe its a control thing for Rich? I've never gotten the "I'm awesome and I'm Luke Parker" from Luke. But I have gotten control issues and I'm abit of a jerk vibes from Rich abit. But also...like Rich said...that's how you get hurt.
Yeah Luke does not usually come off that way. But sometimes you see more of people in certain situations? At least in my experience. Doesn't make them better or worse. just gives you a better picture.
@@hillerfit I actually think Luke just went hard at the end..like to just push himself and finish hard. Rich be sensitive and controlling at sometimes.
Also got to keep in mind, this guy has won numerous championships as a leader. Froning knows what it takes to win and knows how to run a team. While yes, Luke is giving his all, you can harm yourself training this way. Froning has been known to talk about watching your body in training and listening to it and then in competition kicking it into full gear to get the win. Both are great guys and athletes, so I don’t think necessarily anyone is in the foul. Rich is being the coach that he is to help Luke and Luke is trying to push himself to be better.
Remember. Rich knows best. End of story!
@@hillerfit 🍷🍷
What is it like riding on the coattails of other people’s RUclips content? Asking for a friend.
How's your 1 subscriber
Like your content.. but Tia is not what you stated.. just saw a video where she actually said.. too much for me at this time, I am scaling. Never do I get the impression from any of the other CF vlogs that they are trying to be a hero in a workout. They are just sharing their workouts. ! And they probably do scold... they just don't want to humiliate the person they are scolding and make it public. Just my take
That’s a good take. And I agree that Tia does not purvey herself as a toxic person.
I have a vendetta against content that isn’t productive. Just here is something loud and silly. So I was referring to Tia and PRVN for that fact.
None of the male CF stars, or really even other female stars, have let their significant other (spouse) be taking credit or making a career or bossing around. IMHO Tia has created a problem, and is unfortunately playing the little lady and taking a backseat in her own show.
@@PeterAngles-ks9fp Clearly.
I was really turned off by CrossFit arrogance.
It's everywhere unfortunately
Rich is toxic?
No!! I’m saying the situation Luke was creating was toxic. And Rich snuffed it put
@@hillerfit Luke is def toxic.
@@courtneyham8136 You're completely wrong.
It's "toxic"? What?
Anyone know what the patch is on the back of Rich’s tricep?
Haha shit.
Blood sugar I believe
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This was a terrible speculation video lol
Sorry you think so!