What You Can Learn From Tia Clair Toomey's 22.2 Open Video
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
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We ask very simple things.
1.Tell us where we are going.
2. Enforce how you've told us to get there.
Tia Clair Toomey is setting the sport back. Not driving it forward like the champions before her.
It is not so black and white anymore. This is being seen widely through the lense of Open Workout 22.2.
Standards are thown out the window and integrity is lost.
Before you say anything negative in the comments be sure you've watched the fricken video. I believe it's my most entertaining to date.
If you like the video PLEASE SHARE it. Lets burn this MF to the ground. From the ashes we can start our ascent back to where we were.
Coach Any
Sooooo is CrossFit screwed? Or will these types of things be fixed come quarterfinals? What do you guys think.
I think they will be overlooked for some people and hopefully sorted by regionals
Quarterfinals right????
Not without being publicly contested. I commented to her and Shane and mal and Matt Frasier. Also team Richy. Get as many as u can to write to these guys. Even buttery brothers. There heavy media for CrossFit. Maybe even drinking. He's working with Haley. If they make tia fix it will change and be addressed.
It needs media
Lol its semifinals time now and its still not fixed
Thanks again Andrew for pointing this stuff out, I love it. It's funny I was in the top 500 in the world in the other 2 workouts but 8000 range on this one. My judge actually told me after my deadlifts we're too technical 😂. I like quality and apparently there's no quality control
Wild that is actually "good" cue to give out lol
I wish they would be 100% clear on all standards and treated every athlete the same regardless.. letting Brooke Wells slide that one year was a joke, and everybody knew it. Was the HSPU standard also a joke? Sure. But people like Jacob Heppner accepted it and did the best he could. #forearmshorteningsurgery
Jacob Heppner is a great example. That is what we should be striving for here
I miss the days when the elites actually set the standard and didn't just try to sneak their way around it.
I miss the days when moving well actually mattered.
I miss the days when Crossfit actually stood for something.
I miss the days when it wasn't all about the money.
I miss the days when people would ACTUALLY no rep each other.(Lookin at you shane)
The crossfit world has gone soft.
We were en route to become an actual sport it seemed. But now, when we dont even uphold our own standards of what our version of a "movement" is... we most certainly are lost.
But maybe im just mad too.
How much did you like my clip of him looking down as she was mid rep? Lol
This has tricked down to every competition sadly. The games have to set the precedent. Otherwise “little league and pop Warner” also go to shit
I've been doing Cf for about 11 years now and in my opinion it's taken a large nose dive!! Bring back the way it was and the regionals!!!
Andrew, you are telling it like it is! Don’t stop!
Many of the previous comments will be more succinct than mine but here is my opinion.
*Warning* I am about to sound like a stereotypical middle age guy with a chip on my shoulder.
- CrossFit has a vested interest in the top 1% succeeding because they represent the sport which equals $$$.
As for Brooke Welles, who has never met a camera she doesn’t love, CrossFit gave her a pass because she was/is the “It” Girl.
Whether you agree or not, I am really enjoying your posts, Andrew!
Thanks David! You do not sound sterro typical. I agree it is just annoying that its the same ol' record. CrossFit used to play to a different tune. Waiting for that to come back
The standards for 22.2 say the workout begins with barbell on ground. And separately it says a rep is created when the athletes hip and knees reach full extension and their head and shoulders are behind the bar.
It says nothing about plates leaving the floor at the same time.
You can argue for a more strict standard, but Tia doesnt seem to be breaking the rules.
It's a competition, anything they want to try within the standard to get an edge is fair game. May work, may not. Looks like weird body mechanics that would result in a potentially injury to me, but if its within the standard, again, it's not cheating.
You are currently stretch as far as I would need to be in order to say she is cheating though, no?
Does she have the capacity? Yes. Are those deadlifts borderline? Yes. Is it a major deal? Is it because she is trying to cheat or is this riding the line between speed and clean technique? Personally, I just think it's the latter. Give a second penalty for the reps that look too sloppy and be done with it - she still belongs at the Games and will qualify comfortably. Quarterfinals technique will be cleaner, I bet, as the risk is higher.
Andrew addressed this. If you walked up to a "barbell on the ground," are both plates on the ground at the same time or not? 'Nuff said? Now, the only way that one side would be up off the ground is if the athlete picked up one side. Guess what: the rep is then IN PROGRESS, not "at the start." So, for the very first rep, obviously, the bar starts "on the ground" properly, because it has to, and when she lifts it up to extension, she's completed one rep. That's it. One rep over. Now, how the bar gets back to the ground is entirely irrelevant. She can drop it, and it can bounce all over the place. She can lower it all the way, then let go. Or she can touch and go. None of those change the rules, the bar has to be returned "to the ground" before she can start her next rep. That means back to both plates being on the ground AT THE SAME TIME, just like it was for the very first rep, because, like we agreed, that's what "on the ground" means. So, yes, she is absolutely not adhering to the rules and violating the movement standard.
This excuse is like people who deny the issue with muscle-ups and say, "well, the rule doesn't say 'locked out over the rings'...." when it says you have to lock out "in the support position." That phrase "support position" has a meaning, just like "on the ground" has meaning. The people constantly squirrelling in some corner to cut because "it doesn't actually say blah blah blah" are exactly why you have rep-cutters and why Crossfit has such a bad reputation outside the sport.
So glad you addressed this... i watched this Tia video on saturday and i am a little ashamed to admit I was literally yelling at the TV saying "wtf is this" "what is crossfit anymore" and may or may not have thrown some shit too. haha its just ridiculous. especially when you start add all the shady shit up in its entirety. honestly has me questioning what my training and fitness will look like in the future. not because I dont think crossfit is beneficial. i have seen it work wonders for many including myself. just because I dont know if i want to attach myself to all the BS going on. Time will tell. ANother good video! keep em coming
Dude I think I have found my calling I ain't stopping anytime soon!!
BUT RIGHT. I shouldn't say this but it is becoming so hard to WANT TO do the right thing. I mean you are actually being punished for holding a higher standard. The movements take longer! In this sport that's HUGE. CrossFit was life changing. It still has the potential to be, but not if these things are not changed. NOT IF they don't push the health side of it WITH THE SPORT being the spear hear.
Andrew, I just have one sentence for you. You legend!!! You just earned yourself a loyal subscriber.
LEGEND?! THANKS! Welcome aboard
I actually agree, there needs to be a movement standard and competitive athletes need to be held accountable otherwise it does send a bad message to the rest of the community. I’m all for fitness freedom for longevity CrossFitters, but these athletes know better.
And it is becasue they know better that it has to be addressed in this fashion!
I appreciate your thoughts, but I think you’re a off here. Just because Tia accidentally ripped the barbell off center, doesn’t mean the rep didn’t count. Also, it can be a little difficult to tell from the front or back view (as opposed to a Sideview) but she was completing her deadlifts repetition at the top.
I do agree that it would be helpful for CrossFit to produce the movement standard videos again. But other than that, I think you’re making a big deal out of something that really isn’t even there.
You don't think it is accidnetal, but she did it for all 100 reps?
@@hillerfit watch Mat Fraser’s deadlifts in Damn Dianna, 2020 Games:
ruclips.net/video/8ShuH7SNNw4/видео.html
He technically did this same thing with his deadlifts here. Before watching you video, I had honestly not really considered this, but maybe there is a slight competitive advantage to doing this…. But even if so, who cares? Tia, Matt, and other games athletes are incredibly competitive and dedicated and are willing to do anything that’s legal and gives them a competitive advantage.
Again, I do agree it would be helpful for CrossFit to be more clear on standards. I just don’t like bashing the athletes.
@@cole.s1442 Heard this on Sevan and agree. It is also mostly CrossFit fault here
@@hillerfit Alright, fair point then.
(P.s. Also I do understand that controversial videos like these are what bring new people to your Chanel you’re trying to grow - such as me. lol)
@@cole.s1442 look at her other deadlift videos, consistently questionable
You should have included a clip from The Big Lebowski - “Smokey, this isn’t ‘nam, this is ‘CrossFit’, there are rules”.
Great video.
Crap I haven't seen that in some time!
Keep up the great work Andrew, you're making our sport better.
Thank you!
Okay, AB & WB are my jam. 😆 I need to do that workout now!
So glad you’re bringing light to this. Keep it up 👏🏼. I think that you address the leadership as the problem and I 100% agree. It starts at the top when you start looking the other way because they are “elite” you’re telling others we don’t really care about the mechanics just “get it done”.
Been binging your videos the past few days. Keep it up man!
You got it
It seems to me that these standards need to be coached DAILY at our affiliates. So I'm not passing the buck, but our affiliate coaches need to step up their game as well. Let's hear NO REP in our daily WODs, let's have counting classes for those who can't seem to count to 10... Let's bring back the integrity.
I agree if that person is going to be doing the open they need to know what it is like to be no repped!
After I watched Tia do 22.2 I wondered if I was the only person that saw this, She should be setting an example not cheating!
See the thing is…. How do we know it is cheating if crossfit doesn’t say anything?
We could say the same about some of mal’ O’Brien wall walks in 22.1 but okayyyy
It pays to cheat the standard it got them in as 1st and 2nd
Haven't seen those yet. I know where I am going next
""If you aint cheatin you ait tryin"" right
A few reps in the 16.4 video were plates touching separately. You can hear it and see it. Obviously Tia’s were much more uneven but it doesn’t seem to be outside the rules.
Reminds me of the clip from one of the docs where Fraser is pushing on Bis about the standards and how the heat before got away with something (dropping barbell from overhead?) and he was like “yeah but they did it so we’re gonna do it” and they “got away” with it and it was fine and allowed within rules and getting an edge within standards. I’d put this is the same catagory
you;'re spot on, there's definitely some speecial treatment for tia
Bit late to the party on this vid, but agree on everything.
For one - the individual side of crossfit is just that - individual. There's no obligation to support someone based on being from the same country as them. I'm aussie but would like to see someone else win, but to be fair that's largely because I'm not huge on how crossfit has basically been the sport of second place for the last decade.
I'm not opposed to loose movement standards either, as long as it is the standard. Like how pullups are just chin over bar at top, arms extended at bottom. If the deadlift standard is bar touches ground, stand up straight at the top then it's all good, it's still fair to everyone
I also noticed and commented on her video that her hand was on the line on some of those burpees. The standard clearly said that hands and feet must straddle the line.
Yes that was made clear! Yes no penalty there either
The female to the right is Sydney Wells, Brooke’s twin…
Oh crap.
Yes, Brooke is to the left (of screen) right of Tia and Sydney is behind Tia’s hubs…eye opening video tho…i look up to Tia and Brooke-wish them both the best and good health! We are all watching these women so thanks for pointing these things out! I was watching Tia and wondering why i never saw her back go up straight…I thought they counted? Totally didn’t notice she didn’t start with the barbell on the ground ? Lol they are in Nashville aren’t they? Ha ha.
It’s not cheating if you don’t have a set standard. Hopefully Rogue invitationals will institute a standard of measurement to keep everything on the same playing field. Maybe we will see Dave!
Wouldn't that be great?! And I do think there was a standard. :/
Thank you Thank you Thank you
I watched Tia there and felt something was wrong. So glad you're pointing it out. The best in the world?? Such a bad role model.
If you watch the demo and listen she actually does the same thing as Tia, more subtle but definitely noticeable. Not saying it’s right or wrong but some things are difficult to control while maintaining the same sort of workout. Maybe they should move a release at the bottom deadlift but then that would be hard to police because you can’t see the release on camera properly.
That would actually be great for the world.
First of all don't be so negative. You said it yourself the open is not important anymore. It has become a place where beginners can try their skills and see if they can go further. Crossfit has become a little more friendly to the average beginner. I believe it's to find that diamond in the rough as they say. Roch said at the beginning he wanted to make it a little more open to all athletes. Which is why he fired Dave. Dave kept wanting to make the workouts really hard. Especially the Open. Also, I believe the rules are either emailed or sent to you. If you watch more of Tia's videos, you'll see either Shane or one of the other coaches talking about the rules for the workout. They don't do videos on the rules anymore. Be more open minded and not so critical. You'll see life in a different way. Hope your business is doing well and that your athletes are successful in all ways possible.
Who is this Rich you speak of? Not Froning? I believe you mean Eric, who has been removes as CEO.
And I am open minded. But CrossFit is so open minded that they shut the door on holding a higher standard. I will be the one to push the narative the way it was originally intended. So that the people you speak of (those just starting) aremn't watching some bullshit when they sign up for their first open.
True Andrew
Why are there any standards then? They exist or don’t , and should not be lowered.
@@pulkpuller Actually during the open they did post videos on youtube of the standards for each workout. As far as for Tia being watched. She is. Because Tia got two no reps on one of the workouts which cost her time. So, I'm not to sure if other people are monitored like that or they are just given a go ahead. Which would not be fair. And then that would mean the standards are lowered for some but not others.
@@CoudenML I know they were literally posted on RUclips but using the normal usage of standards crossfit doesn’t evenly follow their own that they set. The only reason why tia and others are getting called out is because 🦇🦇🦇🦇 the deliberate camera angles hiding their form should be a dq , we all know how to use a camera ! The young lady who forgot to submit her video seems fishy was she being liberal with her execution 🤷♂️ at this point I think any qualifications should have to take place at a box and be recorded properly by a qualified person who can judge and know a what the camera angle need to be.
Legitimacy is the future
As a question are the elbows bending for Tia? As per the video that you mentioned from prior year it clearly shows the athlete bending the elbows to get the 'bounce'. Also, whi cares which plate hits the ground first, there is no rule on that. Agreed it looks terrible but all that has to happen is the plates hit the ground and full lockout at the top. Much ado about nothing.
"Each rep of the dealift starts with the barbell on the ground."
The lock out is definitely questionable but both plates are on the floor simultaneously at the down. One just gets there before the other but they both are on it for a moment. Very odd to see such dodgey technique but i believe it's technically "from the floor"
But yes you're spot on re mixed standards and some athletes cheating. Happens all the time sadly in this sport...it's not professional (yet)
If this were me I would get a penalty lol
Having one plate hit the ground before the other minimizes the amount of bouncing. The reason she is doing it is because it lets her drop the weights harder without a bounce being able to help her. It's actually pretty smart but does not give her an unfair advantage, it just allows her to drop the weights faster while being able to pick them up without using a bounce. 🧠
Well, if you slow it down to 0.25, you can see, the majority of the Deadlifts are not on the floor simultaneously. Her left one touches first, and leaves the floor just before the right one touches.
@@jdsansom485 you're right! You can also look at how her arm is positioned. There's intent behind it. Just not conclusive they know it's not touching simultaneously. Probably ever cared - just knew it looked ok and is faster
I did a frame by frame, you can do it yourself by pausing the video and advancing it with the [dot] key and at no point on any rep were both sides of the barbell touching the floor at the same time
Spot on!
Thanks Josh!
There is zero chance Toomey didn't know exactly what she was doing with that barbell tippy-tap. This is a woman who is an elite Crossfitter and accomplished Olympic lifter. One rep where the plates don't hit the ground perfectly even? Ok, happens. Two? Maybe, if it's bang-bang. Rep after rep after rep where it's a goddamn seesaw?!?! No. That's intentional at that point.
I am a MASSIVE Tia fan but I watched that video and thought “hmmmm those deadlifts”. It’s not to standard so there should be a penalty. I have not idea why 1) top athletes videos are not automatically requested anyway
2) there should be a locked leaderboard
Well she has the best time in the world on that one so this will be interesting!
I completely agree with this, I watched Tia's video, she's not standing all the way up at the top of the deadlift. Are they supposed to be good reps? How are they allowed to get away with this?
When you are the best you cannot get in trouble I guess
Youre 100% right lots of bounced deadlift not fully extended.
+ the uneven barbell
Money fucks up everything. It's all about the money
Sadly the truth
The standards are very cloudy at best!
The movements flows with the standards 👍🏼
Okay yes agreed!
Ahhhh you just taught me something new!!
Wow very good points here dude.
I agree with the assessment.
Thanks homie
Reaching has met a new level lol
Reaching???
As someone who mainly does powerlifting it did throw me off watching her video, the lack of extension was so obvious. I chalked it to CrossFit rules rather than proper form.
The extension is also not as clear as it should be. But better than many I have seen sadly
CrossFit doesn't properly drug test or enforce standards at the highest level. It's simply not designed properly to be competitive.
They can decide to change that at any time though
@@hillerfit I really hope they do and have faith they will. It’s probably gonna get worse before better though. At least on the Standards part, maybe not the doping.
I think they all take performance enhancing drugs and what is funny is how cheaters celebrate their wins knowing deep down that they are cheats.
U get a new subscriber in me. Thanks for addressing the double standard🤭🤭🤭
ey hey welcome aboard!
Absolutely agree, movement standards are a joke at the moment. If I do a no rep I want to be told I have completed a no rep, there needs to be accountability in CrossFit. Unfortunately I see a lot of people getting away with sub-standard technique.
Yes it's everywhere. Starts with Tia.
Mat Fraser did the same thing. Go check out his video from Phase 1 or the 2020 Games.
Yup I have since seen. CRazy
Becoming a fan of your channel very good content new to CrossFit first open barely making the top ten percentile any advice for a new competitor
I made a video titled "why you suck at CrossFit" check it out! While the verbage is brash in the title. I think I have great info for what EVERYONE should do to constantly improve their performance. Hope it helps!
Did you see Taylor Williamson's deadlifts on Mayhem's instagram story once this workout was released? She was bending her elbows so bad and bouncing the deadlifts that they ended up taking it down VERY quickly haha! I highly doubt she redid the workout and just kept it how it was... It's a joke these days we need more people like you out there please keep it up!
Noticed everything you mentioned here and was yelling at the TV as I was watching. Also, wasn't the camera supposed to be positioned at a quarter angle...not directly behind/in front? So we could actually see positioning at top of deadlift rep?
I guess the camera angle doesn't technically matter because she had a judge...but still...
Why yes it was supposed to!!! Everyone in crossfit needs to slow down to keep the movement stands 100% that’s my honest opinion.
@@melokj17 and the camera angle does matter!!! They don’t allow the athlete to leave the video for any reason if the video is invalid. This is arguably more important
Thanks for pointing out the importance of standards. I don’t think there would be standards if there are exceptions for certain people. I hope you could judge all crossfit athletes or have your own judges course. I took the judges course and when I am judging an athlete I apply the standards that I learned from the course. I’m in the 55-59 women and reviewed some of the videos after watching your RUclips on “cheating masters” , and you were right, there were too many No Reps to count. I think for CrossFit to keep the seriousness of going to the Games, they have to uphold the importance of standards and keep the athletes accountable. It can still be a fun sport and it can be a long term sport if you maintain proper movements, which are the standards. Thank you for the videos and keep all of Crossfit fit and honest.
I've really also never understand the "obligation " to root for American athletes in individual types of sports
RIP the long pause 😂🤣😅
Hahahaha
Am I tripping or did they have a standard/example lift before 22.2?
They had that dude in the red shirt say "oh your back is gunna hurt" lol
Read the comments on her video and it was all people praising her lol
Shut the hell up. Hahaha I hate to admit it but I did not check the comments of her video. Shame on me. I’m not surprised tho
You didn't mention that the cameras are supposed to be at the 'corners' of the workout area so athletes can be seen to be properly standing up reps etc
Thanks for saying this, definitely agree!
The fact that much of crossfit is for time means this will always be an incentive to cut reps as short as you can get away with. There was an interview with Fraser one time where he said something to the effect of: in a competition if you don't get at least one no-rep, you're doing it wrong.
Well yes I agree with that! It is then crossfit's job IMO to punish the reps done like Tia right?
@@hillerfit Not sure. It seems unsustainable for HQ to punish directly (even though it's the right thing to do). Ideally Tia would be punished by her judge (like in normal sports where the local referee makes the decisions without referring to some central board). The video gives easy evidence for judge misbehavior (or incompetence? I guess you can't tell from the video alone) so the judge is disqualified for future workouts. You could really force athletes to be careful by invalidating earlier workouts by the same judge.
At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter if they note every single specific standard do's and dont's, they clearly say "if you are trying to get an unfair advantage by shortening the range of motion, or changing the movement in any way, then its a not allowed". You do these movements every day in the gym, you know what a fucking deadlift looks like, you aren't that oblivious in a workout to not feel whether u locked out your legs or your chest hit the floor, pretty freaking obvious. Maybe its just me and I don't go fast enough 🤷♂️
That is what I have heard in the past. Those who do not understand what i am trying to do here say "you're just mad she is better than you." No. I am mad that I am not in her position to instill the good. The way Froning used to to. Froning was a shining light for everyone to portray. Tia is looking to cut corners.
Yeah I feel ya!’ Our box owner trainer would rip us apart doing that “standard” hahaha 💙
Maybe if you focus on you’re gym and stop worrying about everybody else you might get somewhere.
Wrong channel for you my man
I think CrossFit is two things at the same time - that is there is CrossFit that happens in the gym everyday and coaches who give shit and teach standards and then there is the professional competitive side of CrossFit. Are the professional competitors cheating? Not if they are all doing the same movement in the same manner. Does this put your average CrossFit athlete at a disadvantage if they are doing the proper standard? Probably not. Especially if that person does not dedicate their whole day to the sport. I think CrossFit HQ has made it abundantly clear that these competitive athletes sell the sport and open more affiliates. And affiliates are filled with people just trying to improve their lives. Especially if owners and coaches of those gyms give a shit about their clients. Preaching first and foremost it starts with a proper eating habits and then from there coaching movements that first don’t injure and then ones that push the person levels of fitness they have never achieved ever in their life. So, who really cares if Tia wins at the games, because the real winners are those that get rid of their chronic illness medication and replace it with sweat and a better overall lifestyle. The open is fun to compete against your friends but should not be taken seriously by any average gym goer. They have already won, if they just improved themselves every day, week, month or year.
Very much agreed that the whole point of CrossFit is to better yourself and remove chronic illness. I do not think that CrossFit does as good a job as they could preaching that any longer. Actually now more than every I get a sense they they prop the games up because they think that is where the money is to be made. I no longer hear them pushing the level one courses. All I hear is drink monster and give us money. Money used to be a means to an end for HQ. Now there isn't even an "HQ""
@@hillerfit Agree with your assessment and see this as the responsibility of affiliate owners to understand their clients and their true as well as realistic goals. I guess I have been fortunate enough to have been associated with two affiliates, both of which started with the proper goals for each gym for the average member.
in the 13,000 affiliate you arre VERY LUCKY to have run into two good ones. Let the owners know they arre appreciated!
I said this so many times and I’ll say it again... “nobody will take this sport seriously when the standards are constantly changing” so based off this video I beat Tia in 22.2 because she had a 100+ no reps 😂🤣
Yet was given the win
@@hillerfit doesn’t even shock me, because it’s clear that the games are fueled by profits and if some “nobody” won any events in the open, all hell would break loose.
Probably Noah Olsen deserved to win in 2019 Matt’s RMU were all no reps
Yes that is entirely possible
Damn that’s bad. I can see how annoying this would be. No one likes when there’s this kind of favoritism for the top athletes. Watching this videos pass must be so frustrating for athletes.
Smashing it outta the park 😂taken with a potato 🥔…. Pmsl cracked me up
I've seen this before. I was thinking at first. I watched u anyway thinking 🤔. Then I saw your rite. They did make rule after they find what they want to. And I watched tia. Until u showed the full extension thought clean. The bounce I thought was iffy. They all do it. It's a cheat. In the premiss of speed over quality. Looking at it. Mal. O'Brian did all hers clean and is number one and Tia's count is at least half no rep. Want to see her do it again
Yes the thing is she probably could do the same thing without that stupid bounce, so why didnt she?! Mal deserves the win
I thought this exact thing when I originally watched for workout.
If u wanna see Pat Vellners video its on Nate Edwardson yt
Checked it out and as expected the dude looked great!
Agree with everything you have to say. Your insights into the crossfit world are spot on and hard to grasp for casual viewers. Most high level athletes producing their own content spew out highly edited videos doing their best to shape the way you view them and develop a narrative towards them. Unfortunately Crossfit has contracted the disease of wokeism which will eventually rot it to the core like it does to everything it touches. Hopefully your videos reach enough people to prevent the rot from spreading.
Thanks winston! As a high level athlete it has bugged me for a long time. Trying to finally do what I can to speak out!
Be yourself. Woke, anti woke, I'm so cool I'm woke, I'm so cool I diss the woke crowd. Find your mind
Haha very very cool
Great content man
Thanks doc
I'm over here getting hyped for the crap '23 athlete videos!!! LFG!
Plus Brooke's chest doesn't touch down on all the burpees (on most only the ribs are touching) and she did that annoying AF one foot flying landing that Katrin started last year 😫
The whole squad is corrupt
Awesome stuff man. CrossFit is heading in this direction of catering to the masses. It’s all about money and it’s bs
Sadly :/
That is similar to the bobble of the dumbbell for db snatches yeah.
I think they need to hold the standard higher than the time finished personally. They did this in 2019 when it was a direct route to the games
@@hillerfit I agree, and I definitely feel ya when you talked about the standard videos covering more. I was a little disappointed when viewing the scorecards that the same quick video from the announcement is what's used when generally there was a longer and more detailed explination for each division and movement. Left me feeling "that's it?". On the other hand it is in the scorecard that everyone should read. No matter what, HQ should uphold the standard.
If someone can't do their workouts with proper form and lift within those guidance, they shouldn't be called "elite." Elite means you are best of the best. Hope they feel good about cheating their way into qualifying and winning
WOW, Noah Olsen doesn't start in the correct position, Brooke Wells isn't even close to getting her chest on the ground for her burpees the guy in the background of Tia and her barbell. It's so blatantly obvious that they don't care OR they are making a statement about loose standards. I don't think Crossfit will correct anything if they use the scores from those workouts. BTW ThAnKs a lot now I won't get ANY work done because I'm looking up all these videos lol. Good Stuff man #savetheburpee
Hahahaaha hey im trying to put them all in one spot so you don't have to search around!!!
Ehhhhh. I can’t scrub the video on RUclips well enough, but at a glance both plates are on the ground when she reinitiates the lift. It’s just an uneven eccentric movement pattern and is probably pretty common when considering for time movements and too fast set ups. Sloppy and should be cleaned up? Yeah, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s cheating. It’s still miles better than the lazy drop from the top that cuts the eccentric phase altogether.
Some would say doing the "lazy" drop rep after rep is the most true form of the deadlift though? Powerlifting purists that is
@@hillerfit That might be federation dependent or training dependent. I can see some blocks running that way to stop a touch and go. I've only ever competed in feds that required hands on the bar until plates are on the ground.
All of your points….are all of the reason why I worry the SPORT of CrossFit will die. It’s so sad to see it all have the potential to just fade away from the awesome spotlight that it use to be.
Rich did the best he could FOR A LONG TIME to be a role model. Tia is destroying that.
Awesome! Another master video on the discipline to be your personal best
Thanks Rob 💪💪
Did you watch the 22.2 open announcement? I watched Emma Lawson not get even close to full hip extension and I was wondering, am I taking crazy pills, or are these reps actually being accepted right now?!?!
This man is the perfect example of a hater.
He won't compliment or congratulate no one.
He will bad mouth you.
He will want to know your news… to find a subject of controversy.
This poor man insist in using his negative behavior to bring another person down. Poor man, try something good for yourself at least once.
Damn you got her bro!
The impact of TDC no longer being here is a little more evident than CrossFit wants to admit. He would deal with these shit reps. I loved how they gave Brooke that “penalty” for her HSPU a few years back bc of her video. BUT holy shit are her reps god awful and there’s no need for her to skirt it.
TDC is the one that said Brooke had capacity 😉😀😆. And I like Brooke Wells. But pls dont make TDC be "oh he would have called them out" He wouldn't have.
@@lillithsternin7428 I think you missed the point I was bringing up altogether as well as some of the sarcasm. But its cool. The upper level elite athletes should be held to the standard the same as the regular athlete and for the most part they aren’t and that’s shitty and sad.
Not sure they gave her a penalty?? But yes I do think CrossFit is seeing how much Dave brought to the table. If they arent we are in more trouble than we thought lol
@@hillerfit to the best of my memory they gave her a penalty, but it was not super large bc she demonstrated she had the capacity. Kind of like Fraser’s penalty for the bag falling out of the ruck during the games. But different bc Brooke clearly was no rep after no rep
Correct a minor penalty. I think it still allowed her to take second
The open means nothing for top tier athletes. Also, no standards were broken.
Glad we can all have opinions!
Wow...but I did notice the awkward touching of the bar...but I saw it as practice anyway.
Awkward touching when?!
I can't remember who's 22.1 video I saw but virtually NONE of their wall walks should have counted as their right hand kept moving before both feet were on the wall. Crossfit is absolutely failing when it comes to governing their own standards evenly across the board.
If you recall let me know I want to see it
@@hillerfit I knew I should have bookmarked it when I watched it because I was like WTF?!?! Stuff like that makes it hard for the sub-average garage gym athlete like me to maintain movement standards knowing that not everyone is towing the same line.
I know this is a month old but I wish any athlete that is in the top 500 should have to lost their video on the Games page
I was struggling to understand why Tia was doing this especially given she's the best in the world and 70kg is light for her. I doubt it was a deliberate cheat attempt. I've been out of kilter with my deadlifts before due to some postural imbalance and one side hitting the ground before the other is really off-putting and not easier in my experience. I don't put it in the same category as bouncing but I definitely think the shoulders behind the bar is a good one to enforce because it ensures hips are locked out. And don't even start me on the burpee standard because this just encourages flirtation and "well technically" it meets the standard knowing full well that it's taking advantage of the standard. No different to taking supps that aren't on the banned list but purportedly increase testosterone. At the end of the day one has to ask oneself, is this in the spirit of crossfit or the crossfit games?
I doubted that she had been doing it on purpose until it was brought to my attention that Fraser did it an the stage one "Damn Dianne" workout in 2020. Makes me think she may have indeed done it on purpose.
i think for the simple fact that she did it every single set of Deadlifts with a ton of transitions proves it was absolutely on purpose. Just my opinion
Thanks for your input. Having watched the sevan podcast, I now agree with you both. Love how you and Brian feed off each other. Keep calling a spade a spade.
Brian is the man
@@hillerfit I have always thought that her Damn Dianne DLs were questionable as well
Can you do a CrossFit Mayhem programming review video?
Sure can!
@@hillerfit Awesome!
Not sure what this is when you bounce weights off the ground are you lifting it 🤔 I don't mind doing circuits they're great just with proper form and lbs so as not to get hurt incremental growth works best.
I just think CrossFitters are doing anything close to what is allowed at this point
Trash reps for the fastest time…the Crossfit wod structures are good for fitness… but I hate going to the box and get beat by shitty reps and rep shaving just to be first on the scoreboard.. I have my own garage gym now… I’m not in the same cardio conditioning as I used to be but I have clean reps and less risk of injury chasing the cheaters.
Was this due to you trying to keep up with the rest??
@@hillerfit obviously there were younger people that were faster and did have good reps but you had way more that just had poor range of motion, no lock outs, just bad form in general.. having lifted weights off and on all my life, I understand form & it’s importance to prevent injury ..
The movement standards say barbell "starts on the ground", doesn't specify if its at the start of the 'set' or every 'rep'. Just like butterfly pullups and kipping handstands, it's just another way people are trying to get the edge. It started from crossfits inception, it's not new. Every time HQ try putting extra measures in, for example that terrible handstand/foreman measurement standard, people complain. It is what it is, I guess
Yes. It is what it is. But they also say each rep starts with the barbell on the floor.
@@hillerfit Crossfit should be very specific on the standards, like you said one of the rules should be both bumpers have to hit the ground in sync IMO
The rules shoud be. "Make it look like this. If it isn't close, you're likely to get dinged" but you know, put more intelligently lol
@@hillerfit I agree man, a visual presentation that makes it so people know exactly what it should look like. I guess the nature of competitive sports, is that people will always look to bend the rules.
Btw, I downloaded the standards from the Crossy app and it doesn’t specify between rep and set
Still from what I recall every rep has always been point A to point B. So I think of it in terms of pictures. There should be a snapshot of the ground and then full extension. A and B.
A chiropractor and physical therapist’s dream. Just awful form , full stop.
I hear this all too often lol
@@hillerfit thank goodness somebody notices 🐶⚠️🌀
bro! wtf is tia doing/! this does actually piss me off! more than it probably should but it really does. wow. shame!
THATS WHAT I"M TALKING ABOUT
that was a mouthful
I got goin 😬
100%
Thanks RDog
CrossFit is like bodybuilding. Back when it first started those first decades everyone claimed natty. No offense but the elite CrossFit people are not natty at all.
Look at any of them conspared to a mens classic bodybuilding or mens physique those guys are all saying they’re on gear and the CrossFit people are just as big if not bigger but they claim
Natty 😂😂😂😂😂😂
stop whining Andrew
You'd like that wouldn't you
Shitty reps like this give CrossFit it’s sloppy reputation
Agreed
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No adjudication by a CrossFit third party ?
Ohhhh I like it
After binge watching close to 30, 40 maybe 50 of your videos, I was curious to see this one. You went there with untouchable Tia. I actually paused to watch this since she's our girl. Maybe not wanting to see her flaws. But I've come to the conclusion that I have no skin in the game. Just a viewer and this is pure entertainment and really don't give a fuck anymore about technical movements, right from wrong, peds or nat. There, I feel better.. I'll just cheerlead the favorites, the pretty girls and the dudes that I can relate too. 🤣👍