How to Deal with Cheaters

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  • @jlcragle
    @jlcragle Год назад +24

    Dealing with cheaters is just like parenting, you simply deal with the wrong behavior immediately. The longer you wait to correct the behavior, the more the child (aka "athletes") continue the bad behavior without fear of consequence. CrossFit has enabled the bad behavior like the parent who never corrects their children. Further, every coach and athlete who enables cheating, including shorting movements and rep is guilty too. Stop making excuses and start calling everyone, from the top athletes to those who are just starting, out on improper movement standards and rep-shaving. It's a plaque that can only be stamped out by people having integrity for themselves, their gym and the community as a whole. In fact, I equate it to the same as when I was a competitive golfer, where if a person cheats on their score or their reps, then I'd never, ever do business with them, as they've shown me all I need to see of their integrity or lack thereof.

    • @HeavyLiftHomeGym
      @HeavyLiftHomeGym Год назад +1

      This!

    • @hillerfit
      @hillerfit  Год назад +4

      Is this the reason why so many people do "buisness meetings" on the golf course? lol

    • @jlcragle
      @jlcragle Год назад +1

      @@hillerfit in my experience, Yes!” It’s a good excuse to get out of the office and see how a person is when they have control over counting your score and reporting it. Similar to CrossFit

    • @morimo11
      @morimo11 Год назад +2

      How someone plays golf can be a good indicator of character.

  • @Fergushow
    @Fergushow Год назад +26

    I don’t know why the trolls are flaming you Andrew. You didn’t create the standard, you just hold people up to the standard. You don’t write the workouts, you just point out the problems judging the standard. In both cases you simply focus on accountability and it is about time we did this as a community. Proud to be an OG NoRep Robin.

    • @hillerfit
      @hillerfit  Год назад +2

      Thanks for being around Fergy 🦇

  • @miguelcorrujedo2859
    @miguelcorrujedo2859 Год назад +12

    I started Crossfit over a month ago. I'm 40 year's old and in decent shape, I noticed "cheaters" right away. I told my wife that I cannot believe people pay to cheat themselves. They are paying to improve themselves but prefer to win a workout than get better. However on Fridays we did team workouts, and then they were exposed. Crazy shit man.

    • @justinthomas4598
      @justinthomas4598 Год назад +4

      I always like partnering up with them on Saturday workouts and taking them to deep waters. Lol

  • @brittanyorr5653
    @brittanyorr5653 Год назад +6

    Your chest to bar comment resonates with me. I got stuck judging a guy in the open who wasn't touching his chest to the bar, and he wanted to know why I kept giving him no reps over and over. I said, "Your chest has to PHYSICALLY touch the bar." And then he goes, "ohhhh, well I can't do that" 😂. I was like 🤦‍♀️

    • @FlippedSociety
      @FlippedSociety Год назад +1

      Chest to air...you never heard of those reps?! 😊

    • @briannieuwenhuis9844
      @briannieuwenhuis9844 Год назад +2

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You can't make this stuff up!

  • @stephenmiller7412
    @stephenmiller7412 Год назад +13

    Thank you Andrew, I train in my garage and I have not been extending my hips on the burpees. I appreciate the education.

    • @hillerfit
      @hillerfit  Год назад +2

      Oh no shit??? Happy to be the one to let you know!

    • @ZacharyKaddatzDailyTraining
      @ZacharyKaddatzDailyTraining Год назад +2

      Try jumping to a “Touch” maybe on your rack or something overhead!

  • @debkheiry5846
    @debkheiry5846 Год назад +2

    I’ve seen people jump CF boxes once they got caught. It’s about integrity and how some people just try to pull shit over others to feel superior. It’s really about insecurity but that’s a whole other topic. Love ya Hiller.

  • @simonarel8143
    @simonarel8143 Год назад

    Great vid man!!!Funny thing,yesterday at our gym,we had 10 rds of 10 pullups and 10 db hang cleans...and one of the wannabe only did 9 rds...but 2 ppl went to him and told him he missed a set...he was like "thats not true ,I had my chips!!!" and they were like...dude ,at the pace you were going you were not doing 10 rds in that time....

  • @tedlaukaitis
    @tedlaukaitis Год назад +6

    My favorite was a guy who would rep shave bar-over-burpees. You didn't have to count, the workout would call for 8 or 10 (an even number), but he would finish and move on from the opposite side he started. Think about it, we all occasionally flub up the rep count, but moves like that make it easier. ('Every time I come back to the side I started on, it's 2, 4, 6, etc.) and yet he'd finish opposite of where he started. He was legendary!

    • @hillerfit
      @hillerfit  Год назад +1

      I would first make sure that they knew where the rep finished. Then you dig in lol

  • @jeremyfonta8852
    @jeremyfonta8852 Год назад

    I was waiting this videos for years 🙌

  • @ruthco8789
    @ruthco8789 Год назад

    The ape! NOOOOOO! Loved this video very very much Andrew!

  • @hlkirton
    @hlkirton Год назад +1

    When in doubt, add at least one. Working out with kids, dogs, and my own mental chatter, sometimes I loose count. And sometimes I have to call myself out.

  • @Therealkevin87
    @Therealkevin87 Год назад +5

    You are spot on! People doing garbage reps or messing up the count aren't necessarily cheating they are just dumb. BUT its the whiteboard that promotes the garbage reps. They are going as fast as possible to put up a score and not hitting depth or extension. A coach can only say squat lower or stand up all the way so many times. When 3,2,1 go is said there is a need for speed and the quality of reps get worse than your dumpster fire of an outro.

    • @hillerfit
      @hillerfit  Год назад +1

      Hahahaah touche with your last sentence. Agreed the whiteboard is a blessing and a curse

    • @erinnroushar2394
      @erinnroushar2394 Год назад

      It's super stupid that people cheat themselves out of a workout they are paying to do. Why go faster or cut reps ...you are not getting your $$ worth lol. I'm a big believer in maximizing those time caps to do my hardest effort 😂.

    • @Therealkevin87
      @Therealkevin87 Год назад +1

      @@erinnroushar2394 They don't look at it as cheating themselves. Everyone wants the results no one wants the work. Most don't want to suffer most don't wait the pain or the hurt. They just want to be jacked and eat cheeseburgers. They do some work and the cheeseburger is lying about their score to boost their ego. But I totally agree you pay $150+ dollars per month for crossfit then shave reps or doing have full ROM in the movements its a waste of money!!

  • @wendiephillips1793
    @wendiephillips1793 Год назад +3

    My coach/box owner doesn’t call people out on rep shaving or cheating and there are so many dudes in the box that are furious every day over the leaderboard. As a spouse to a super competitive athlete who has never been no repped in any competition EVER I listen to it every night. So finally I told him, just be better than the cheaters!

    • @hillerfit
      @hillerfit  Год назад +4

      This is another reason why the open is (was?) so important. It was the one time of year where those who did it THE RIGHT WAY go to see how everything shook out.

    • @Jawnaldino
      @Jawnaldino Год назад +1

      The open is the equalizer!

  • @rickmyers7940
    @rickmyers7940 Год назад +3

    If this isnt a competition, who cares.... I mean, maybe it is because I am an old coot..... but I have seen people beat me in a WOD and I know they weren't an exercise correctly, coaches have told them, and I realized it didn't matter because in the open, it comes to light or they dont sign up.... Crossfit became so much better when I stopped worrying about petty stuff like this ........ 🤣 I do enjoy your content btw.... good video again

    • @Nickpeters.physio
      @Nickpeters.physio Год назад +1

      If a person shaves reps but have no interest in competing with others in the gym, then it doesn't matter. The problem is when the rep shaver logs their score and clicks the Rx button. In my experience, most of these people see themselves as an athlete and are competitive with others in the gym. If they weren't competitive, they wouldn't log their score and click Rx.
      If they're just there for a workout and not to compete then this is irrelevant.

    • @rickmyers7940
      @rickmyers7940 Год назад

      @@Nickpeters.physio I agree ..... BUT even if they " compete" with others it is easy to say yeah but you shaved reps.... and NOT LET IT AFFECT YOU 😁... You know and everyone else knows they cheated, I just learned to say my piece and let the rest run off my back, like a duck in water. I told a guy, when you get to parallel that will be the first wall ball you've ever done... he stopped clicked the RX box. I guess it is not the fact people are calling others out , it is the fact people are letting this upset them and ruin their days

  • @patricklang7162
    @patricklang7162 Год назад +1

    Thank you Hiller. Thank you for helping to make me be the coach I strive to be. And the athlete (but I’ve always been big on locking reps out and full ROM)

  • @RedEye437
    @RedEye437 Год назад

    The Blue Mountain State scene had me rolling

  • @jurrie101
    @jurrie101 Год назад +2

    Thoughts on a new shirt using "no rep" and "if you're not cheating, you're not trying"

  • @FlippedSociety
    @FlippedSociety Год назад

    I used to pull the 'blind trainer' tactic - close my eyes and put my finger on bar, if I didn't feel a chest smash, no rep. For burpees, we'd hang TRX sashes at full reach overhead - blind trainer...if I didn't hear a clap above head, no rep. I also hold onto a bunch of mini-bands as 'no rep' ref flags and toss them at people when I see sh-t. People eventually respect the hard ass over the nice polite cheerleader 'you got this!" approach.

  • @christineyoung78
    @christineyoung78 Год назад +2

    Some of us have high standards that continue outside the CF gyms, some will always cut corners and that’s their loss.

    • @adamtoussaint9155
      @adamtoussaint9155 Год назад +2

      The way you do anything is the way you do everything.

  • @briannieuwenhuis9844
    @briannieuwenhuis9844 Год назад +1

    Our Box owner has literally asked members that constantly shave reps or don't do movements to the well known standards, to leave the box. Everyone knows who the cheaters are, and it's usually not the newbies, but the people that have a couple years under their belt and want to be on top badly, but just don't have the skills or work ethic to get their without cheating.

  • @ffransis1
    @ffransis1 Год назад

    Another great video dude

  • @freakied0550
    @freakied0550 Год назад +3

    "You start a new federation" -powerlifters...probably

    • @hillerfit
      @hillerfit  Год назад +1

      WHY HAVENT WE THOUGHT OF THIS

  • @alexgoldstein958
    @alexgoldstein958 Год назад +1

    When I owned my box, we confronted a rep shaver. He and his wife left the box. I’m OK with that.

  • @charlesschwab3060
    @charlesschwab3060 Год назад

    I have cameras inside my box. When I catch wind of someone shavings reps, I'll download a portion of their workout and send it to them. I usually make the statement that if you were "scaling the work", I'm good with it, but lets makes sure we don't accidentally check the "RX' box in SugarWOD going forward.

  • @77DuRock
    @77DuRock Год назад

    Can’t be a people pleaser for the greater good 🙌🏽

  • @dallredCF
    @dallredCF Год назад +4

    I had a coach who called me out on my double unders. When I started my DUs, I would count the first one even though it was only a single under. I did not realize I was doing it, but I was shorting my count and needed the correction.

    • @ramblr5900
      @ramblr5900 Год назад

      New to crossfit… curious about your opinion on DU. Literally two full rotations under the feet for DU and it makes a whipping noise? Also in the CF games DU seem so much slower maybe because its on camera instead of my eyes

    • @dallredCF
      @dallredCF Год назад +1

      @@ramblr5900 I was new to CrossFit at the time - 2009 ish. The coach walked up to me and started counting when the whipping noise started. It made me think and correct the rep. It was a good coaching move and is why I remember it. I just think I was just an idiot. DU are okay. I think they were a bigger deal back then.

    • @hillerfit
      @hillerfit  Год назад +1

      So it was a good learning moment yeah?

    • @dallredCF
      @dallredCF Год назад

      @@hillerfit one of many great learning moments. I was fortunate to have great coaching too.

  • @Xxxtra_Sloppy
    @Xxxtra_Sloppy Год назад +1

    My score was in first place in the gyms leaderboard for a while today, and yesterday I was toward the bottom. I was second guessing myself all day. Then one of the guys beat me by 3 minutes and I feel better😂

  • @brianking9424
    @brianking9424 Год назад +1

    As a coach I’ve called out other classes and their members for the movements. Disregard “insert name here” he moves like the tin man. It’s gotten to the point where we know members weakest moves and take into consideration that there’s no way he/she moves that fast.

  • @Bossman_aus
    @Bossman_aus Год назад +1

    This happened at my gym once, member A called out member B he said member B must be cheating because he finished before him. I said to member A, member B picked up the wallball before you and continued doing reps when you stopped how is that cheating? Just focus on yourself and don’t worry about other people. He quit a couple of weeks later 😂

  • @alanthomas7630
    @alanthomas7630 Год назад +2

    to be fair counting is hard, in the moment, sometimes i get all the way up to potato, and have to start again

  • @jeff_howard_afk
    @jeff_howard_afk Год назад

    Virtuosity and relentlessness.

  • @jeremyeatworld807
    @jeremyeatworld807 Год назад

    There was a moment where an "i don't know shit about fuck" would have been great! Love the video duder 🙌

  • @TheHazchic
    @TheHazchic Год назад

    We had one of those. She got called on it. We got called racists. She moved to another gym and did it there. Rinse. Repeat.

  • @sarahbuckman3999
    @sarahbuckman3999 Год назад

    I am definitely guilty of having done those
    not-burpees before until my coach told me to stop.🙋🏼‍♀️

  • @mikeg5372
    @mikeg5372 Год назад

    Honestly at the gym level, I stopped caring if some cheat (shave reps) in order to be at the top of the “gym” leaderboard.
    In my experience, the truth almost always catches up with them. Other members talk about them often behind their backs.
    I always felt more appreciated than most of those “braggers”/cheaters when finishing a WOD 2nd to last or last.

  • @jerseyjustin26
    @jerseyjustin26 Год назад

    “ He just won a giant check that says TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS! “

  • @ramblr5900
    @ramblr5900 Год назад

    Champ returns

  • @stephenmiller7412
    @stephenmiller7412 Год назад +1

    I find it really easy to forget how to count. That is why I like to video and I often do extra when I lose count. Ironically, it is when I think I mis-counted that I usually counted correctly

  • @tonydecuba
    @tonydecuba Год назад +2

    I can't be the only one who wants to walk into an affiliate an have you as a coach. You're build differently 👌🏾

  • @germanpotatooo
    @germanpotatooo Год назад +1

    Is there any news about the Fake Plate guys? Any Statement or Interaction with you?

  • @ribeironeto_
    @ribeironeto_ Год назад

    It's so simple!

  • @pisceanpaul
    @pisceanpaul Год назад

    Sadly, there are cheaters in every competition.

  • @swfblacksheep703
    @swfblacksheep703 Год назад +1

    We need an AI No Rep app. Magnetic case on the rack and maybe something similar to the Wii sensors? I cant stand these types, but I also agree you can workout however but not enter your BS score.

  • @swat486
    @swat486 Год назад

    Yes, Blue Mountain State!!

  • @JustinKelley94
    @JustinKelley94 11 месяцев назад

    Lol I tend to go away in my mind when doing these workouts. I’m pretty sure I have incorrect counts (high or low) most of the time. I never record my score for this reason.

  • @MO-MO-444
    @MO-MO-444 Год назад

    What if the baby is the gym owners spouse? It’s so obvious the spouse is favored in bad reps over and over. Especially in the Open. Everyone knows, but it’s too awkward for anyone to say anything about it.

  • @geebatart
    @geebatart Год назад +1

    Can someone explain the Craig Richey outro to me pls

  • @greymatternick
    @greymatternick Год назад +1

    👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @heidicrume
    @heidicrume Год назад

    My takeaway from this video.. baby accountants need mirrors in their affiliates 👶🏼👩🏼‍💻🤓

  • @Zansaldo1
    @Zansaldo1 Год назад

    Almost ten years in CF and I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone who shaved reps. Only people who were supposed to do 4 rounds but stopped after 3, not to cheat though just felt like they had enough. If somebody asked they admitted it right away.

  • @cinematicjoe5514
    @cinematicjoe5514 Год назад +2

    Lol the looker yea! Left the last affiliate I was at when I brought up the cheater they said “well he is only hurting himself” He wouldn’t just shave a rep this guy was cheating whole rounds and then talking shit about how good he was

    • @ralphalvarez5465
      @ralphalvarez5465 Год назад +1

      Had a coach tell me to "stay within myself" when pointing out cheaters... Half rep air squats, half extension burpees and cutting corners on runs. Then they put their results on the board and they would be read off! It was ridiculous..

  • @JustMove365Challenge
    @JustMove365Challenge Год назад +2

    @hillerfit could you do a video on your thoughts on people not putting their score in the app? My thought is that if you are purchasing a membership to my gym then you are committing to certain things just like I am committing so certain things as a coach. One of those is input your score

    • @dhall75608
      @dhall75608 Год назад

      I guess from a perspective of an athlete that used to go to a gym, maybe they don’t want to be embarrassed so they don’t input it. Especially when they may go into log it and see what others did and so they don’t want to. That’s just one explanation.

    • @inekeboeter4371
      @inekeboeter4371 Год назад +3

      Do coaches in regular boxes do something with the scores? If not..does it matter if someone doesn't want to?
      I do log them, but they are not visible on our leaderboard. I log them for myself, not for others to see. That works for me at this moment in time.

    • @dhall75608
      @dhall75608 Год назад +1

      @@inekeboeter4371 I agree. If someone is paying a membership and doesn’t want to put in a score, that’s their prerogative. If they pay for a membership and don’t show up to class, that’s on them too. As a owner, you’re getting paid regardless. The ONLY thing they are committed to is when they do show up to do the workout, they do what they can do to their ability.

    • @Love-ql7rd
      @Love-ql7rd Год назад +4

      I stopped putting in my score for all the reasons Hiller speaks to. I see so many athletes short repping the workouts. At the end of the day we didn’t do the same workout. So I refuse to input an accurate score with clean reps behind all of those who continuously don’t squat below parallel or get their chin over the bar, or stand up to hip extension. Not a hater. Just sick of all of it.

    • @inekeboeter4371
      @inekeboeter4371 Год назад +1

      @@Love-ql7rd That is part of my reason too to not show my score for others to see. Plus the comparing others do. Not because they mean harm. But I felt less satisfied or proud of my own achievement when somebody made a comment about me having less reps/weight or slower time. Letting it influence my satisfaction is totally on me. I wish I could just not give a f*ck. And maybe I will feel so in time again.

  • @quaymcquitter8386
    @quaymcquitter8386 Год назад

    honestly i think the only reason they are letting him compete is to expose him and make him look stupid once he gets out there with real competition and he folds like a dollar bill

  • @RB-mn5ix
    @RB-mn5ix Год назад

    How great would it be to see the New Dave Castro liking or commenting on this post?

  • @johnnewberry9477
    @johnnewberry9477 Год назад

    Really missed putting the Forrest Gump “that’s all I have to say about that” clip at the end haha

  • @travism7986
    @travism7986 Год назад +1

    We have a looker at our gym. lol

    • @hillerfit
      @hillerfit  Год назад

      I wonder how common it is

    • @tedlaukaitis
      @tedlaukaitis Год назад +1

      I've seen a few... one would be doing heavy-ish C&J's (maybe 15-20 reps, but with a weight you aren't going UB the whole way) and he'd drop the bar, circle the bar (like we all do), then see the top guys head to the pull-up bar, and suddenly his circling the bar became a b-line to the pull-up bar.

  • @BCsoccer05
    @BCsoccer05 Год назад

    I dunno. I guess I could see where rep shaving cheating is a problem amongst the people who are "trying to make it" and it would def be a problem in a real competition but I'm just a normal affiliate class goer. I couldn't care less what anyone else puts on the leaderboard. I'm there for the community and to get better myself. What others log on wodify has no impact on either of those things. I almost feel like the normal class goer who hyper focuses on the leaderboard sucks the joy out of the class experience but again, I'm just a mildly fit guy who enjoys that hour a day w/ his homies.

  • @ckkevin9620
    @ckkevin9620 Год назад

    I just try to beat these guys doing the reps correctly. Gives me a goal and chip on my shoulder to perform better and still beat them. Does drive me crazy on the back squat when guys count a big weight doing a half-squat. Again, just motivates me to beat them doing a "real" back squat. And then the Open comes around and they are nowhere to be found on the leader board. LOL

  • @Zoet50
    @Zoet50 Год назад

    Is this about David hippensteel again?

  • @niallmclaughlin8918
    @niallmclaughlin8918 Год назад

    Am I the only subscriber to this channel that has no interest in crossfit but only watches for the entertainment? 😂

  • @jamesrey4275
    @jamesrey4275 Год назад

    Hot Chow!

  • @KeithGreenshields
    @KeithGreenshields Год назад +2

    I heard they heard twirkee not burpee

  • @thetylerlewis2783
    @thetylerlewis2783 Год назад

    Everyone has shaved reps unintentionally on a metcon here and there but it’s the repeat offenders (no matter where they are in the leaderboard) that is SOOOO annoying. This newer guy at my gym logged a workout yesterday at about 40 reps higher in a 12 min AMRAP than everyone else😂 his score was deleted

  • @christineyoung78
    @christineyoung78 Год назад +2

    Have you ever worked out next to someone who asks what rep youre on lmao

    • @hillerfit
      @hillerfit  Год назад +2

      Oh yeah. And I’ve asked. But that’s always been a how far are you / can I catch you ask

    • @santiagoferrari1973
      @santiagoferrari1973 Год назад

      Some people forget to count, its amazing! Most people balance having a good time and working out You cant force them to do it your way? they dont care, neither should you.

    • @RB-mn5ix
      @RB-mn5ix Год назад

      like when Lazar asked Panchik which lap they were on during the MTB event?

  • @jdbaiocco1
    @jdbaiocco1 Год назад +1

    Bitcoin fixes this.

  • @peterodonnell3399
    @peterodonnell3399 Год назад

    Hippensteel didn't cheat he just inspired.

  • @85transam
    @85transam Год назад

    I’m going to start telling babies do a burpee

  • @joesalazar2634
    @joesalazar2634 Год назад

    What’s up with all these cute F’in babies!!!

  • @irunfar1
    @irunfar1 Год назад

    Andrew you’re just too toxic, why be a killjoy 😂
    Actually could not agree more.

  • @ramblr5900
    @ramblr5900 Год назад +5

    First comment.

  • @samtuckey824
    @samtuckey824 Год назад

    conversate?????? - I think the word you are looking for is "converse"

  • @PeterShaw4
    @PeterShaw4 Год назад +1

    Since you referred to the coach/owner, I assumed that you were referring to the affiliate setting. But it seems you’re more focused on the Competition side of things.
    In the affiliate setting, of course, depending on the situation, there are a number of different strategies and likely many different strategies that you would utilize in order to deal with a rep shaver.
    To assume that there is, and should only be, one way to deal with rep shavers is to ignore the nuances and the variability in human behaviour.
    Now, maybe you address all this, but I stopped watching the video after steroids and fake weights.
    In my personal opinion, all cheating in sports should be dealt with via penalties.

  • @TerryHalst
    @TerryHalst Год назад

    Andrew your one minutes rant at the end is dead on - just try - quit making excuses - 20 minutes of suck a day will make the rest of your life so much better.

  • @ramblr5900
    @ramblr5900 Год назад +4

    Speegle’s cake is a blessing Hiller. 🧁🧁