Tia Toomey || Natty or Not
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2022
- She is retired, right?
Which means it is about time I can make one of these, right?
Tia Toomey does what she wants, when she wants to do it. And why shouldn't she, after all it is her life.
From what I heard in relation to her retiring is she through Sean Woodland under the bus. This is not something Tia would have done had you had known her in 2015/2016.
Natty or not is a question I get asked frequently. It is something I have not covered as much recently.
But, tis the season.
Enjoy, and as always let me hear your thoughts in the comments.
-Coach Andy
#tiatoomey #crossfit 
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Again, should I make more of these?
Yes!!!
Yes absolutely man
Absolutely!!
Absolutely dude they are cool
keep em coming braddah
Being ripped and massive at the same time while being natural while keeping world level performance is unheard of . When you get ripped you tend to lose body mass and you get weak and feel like shit , let alone perform at peak performance in a competition.
That’s the key issue here for me - for women especially to not only pack on muscle while getting leaner and improving their performance on top of it?!? That is highly unlikely .
I think the real question everyone wants to know is if Sevan is natty
California Hormones
Lol! Yeah depends on what you mean by natty
Jeritol
I consider natty if you are running less than 250mg a week 👌
The ego is somewhat pumped, tho' 🧐
I feel bad for someone like Haley Adams, who I believe is completely natural, and seemingly struggling to meet the strength goals needed to place highly at certain games events.
Very pretty girl. Would look better without the CrossFit training though. Not seen a girl look better after CrossFit than before. It decreases your hip-to-waist ratio which is the most objectively attractive aspect in a female.
@@ManicMindTrick “Tell me you don’t workout without telling me you don’t workout” type comment
And your base that on...your psychic powers?
Just because I like feminine women doesn't mean I don't work out but hey, if turtle shell guts and hard muscles are what gets you off, I don't judge.
Personally, I just find it very unappealing.
@@ManicMindTrick everything you just said makes you an ick
You're a weird dude@@ManicMindTrick
I love how in depth this is! I appreciate this as there is stuff all on RUclips about her being natty or not and with good backed up info as to why or not
Another great video. Mals jawline just entered the chat. 👀
HA
This will be the most polarizing video to date! This may tip the love/hate relationship ratio @hillerfit has with the CrossFit community in a particular direction ⚖🤨😲
I have made my grave.
#teambatman
Cannot wait for you and Sevan to hash this out tomorrow. He's on with Hunter talking shhhhmack about you. Thanks for sharing a well researched (in my opinion) opinion. It was informative food for thought.
Saw the title, assumed click bait and wondered how you were gonna spin it around….. realisation kicked in that you did actually go there this time. Jaw dropped. Wow moment!!
Just got back from A&W and saw this, time to eat and watch
lol Enjoy
Definitely earned a week end review with Sevan . Looking forward to Sunday 😀
Very thorough analysis…good job
Your commentary is the best. Very enjoyable.
Great video! And I think it's refreshing to hear from a CF person that can see the problems within. Not so stuck up and don't believe PED even exists in CF because they have "testing".
Anyway traps and shoulder are a big give away in right context. For some reason they grow proportionally bigger than the rest. And there are some research backing this up too.
But for top level athletes that already are near or at their natural max. Making a transformation in a year is not just good diet and harder training, impossible. When you are near your natural max you make very little progress each year no matter how hard you train. To be honest I am not so much curious IF they use but more WHAT they use.
Also she might be a good responder too I mean she crushed the competition and I have a hard time believing the top 5 isn't using PED. And as for the picture in the water Winstrol make sense to use since you get stronger on that without putting on weight.
Trapezoids have more androgen receptors do they grow more quickly when steroids are introduced
@@brianmeen2158 Ah ok that makes sense since they grow somewhat not in proportion to other muscle groups or parts.
My only thought is to tread lightly when accusing someone of something so egregious... I can only talk about my experience and my personal transformation over the years. Starting CrossFit at 38 - overweight and out of shape, I've had a SIGNIFICANT transformation leading to three consecutive CrossFit Games Masters Wins... And I'm constantly accused (in comment sections) of using TRT, Steroids, PEDS, Stacks, etc. And I've never touched anything whatsoever. Not during the season. Not during the off season. Nothing. But, people look at my pictures, my abs, my body shape, and rely on those markers as 'clear evidence' that I must have been using something. It's incredibly frustrating. I'm happy to talk with anyone at any time about my experience over the past 8 years.
Huge fan Jason! Doing my best to lift as much as you one day!
@@nikolainavarro6558 Ha - thanks brother.
I think it’s more the idea that she went from already being on top of the CrossFit world getting 2nd place 2 years in a row and then looking significantly different the following years.
Someone at that level has been training for years. It’s not the same as some fat out of shape person who has never worked out finally getting in the gym. You don’t expect a transformation of this extent out of someone who’s already a seasoned lifter. That’s why Chris Bumstead doesn’t show up looking drastically larger year after year. He’s already a very mature lifter
Great to get an athlete’s perspective here. So many keyboard warriors. This “opinion” based clip is based on circumstantial evidence (if you can even call it that).
Pls stop, no one is accusing you of steroids, you look average or on trt at best.
I went to the Games this year. I could not believe how jacked and shredded 80% of the fans were . I think CrossFit’s PED problem is all the way down at the Affiliate level.
Lol. You really have to question at the local comp level why would you not take something if you really wanted to thrash everyone and get an edge, even for a genetically gifted athlete!! Even for ego reasons.......I would assume 50% of guys at small local comps are on at least some kind of SARMS especially GW501516 for cardio reasons
@@GraftonPrimaryvideo Wasn't Glassman who said "people will die for points"? They will cheat just for the chance to be on top of the leaderboard. If regular everyday people are taking maskers, using urine bladders, using drug half-times, etc. to beat drug tests at work, you just know professional athletes with thousands/millions on the line are doing it too. No brainer
Haha that's actually pretty funny
I agree
This content is gold!
Red skin, especially in the chest, neck, head, arms from high hemoglobin and iron content in the blood is a pretty good marker. Def happened to me when I was on TRT. But that can ebb during workouts as more blood gets dedicated to the muscles. It also goes away for a bit if you donate blood. I rolled over the Tia/PED question in my mind the whole games this year. I settled on yes, but wthout full confidence. But there were several other big names I gave a hearty “yes.” You’re a good man Hiller, and thorough.
Sounds like Liver King.
Thanks!
She looks better than 95 percent of natural men lifters. She is on something.
I have red skin on face and neck from a problem called acne rosacia and i can assure you i absolutrly do not use steroids
@@tomogorman3947 that is not the case here. This is from high hemoglobin. Big veins often come from peds and a good indicator is broken skin. because natural your skin will not break in 99% and all those fake natties have broken skin at the chest and shoulders.
@@hillerfit This aged well with the liver king coming out yesterday
Great breakdown and timeline references! What most ppl unfamiliar with PED’s usage don’t realise is how profound the psychological effects are in a performance enhancing way, physiological changes aside this was always a massive give away for me
Exactly! I have experienced this in the gym with close and not so close female friends during their cycles on and off. I’ve always been curious to see what it’s be like as I am already quite alpha - I am sure it would bring out a lot more of this behavior. Tia was not alpha in attitude before but she certainly is now.
@@lotz871 you dont know Tia personally to make that conclusion
@@Watchingvids01 You're totally right but I would guess I do know more than you might :)
@@lotz871 🥱people watch a couple youtube videos and think they know someone or what its like to be a professional athlete.
@@lotz871 Your ego says you know more. That's called insecurity.
that's a gutsy statement Hiller....no question she is the greatest, but unfortunately I always wondered if she used, not something i do usually but such a transformation is indeed crazy no matter how talented you are to start with. what does Sevan, Taylor and JR think?
Great video Hiller, but I'm not completely convinced yet... Your argument is compelling and concise, especially when analyzing her increasing magin of win over the field of competitors. The breakdown of her changed "mindset" or mental toughness is an indicator that I never would have considered, so thank you for taking the time to explain that piece of the puzzle.
However, the "main" part of your argument with consideration toward her phsyique is not enough for me to say that she has used or is on a PED. As many other comments suggest, an individuals body can transform very rapidly. You are comparing a persons physique from a year prior and that is a significant amount of time to gain muscle, especially during Tia's early years in CrossFit. I've personally seen physical changes consistant to what you describe in Tia and I'm not a genetic wonder and only train 5-6 hours per week. I recently took a six day vacation and you'd be shocked if I showed you the before and after photos... six days!
Do a video on Marcus Filly next (I considered his physique to be one of the best in CrossFit)! Watch his steroid breakdown video first, lost of views. Link Below, cheers.
ruclips.net/video/ScNOLSOAPq4/видео.html
The side delts and upper traps are the biggest giveaway for both males and females. You can add definition and size to those naturally, but to completely change the shape of them you need PEDs.
Agreed
I sent this message to Andrew since he is the source of this video: Let me give a different view and you will see TIA IS HONEST and we not doubt about her integrity. I have been seeing all TIA's videos and other since she started and I tried to find like 2 videos in which I was thinking "is TIa pregnant?" and then the case that TIA uses a equipment that do massages in the meantime she is seeing tv, or in the way to the gym. The constant use of those fitness equipment eventually give the athlete a plus. There are others equipment for the legs too. But just today she posted other video like the one that confuse me if TIa was pregnant or not. . If she is using those fitness equipment and also dedicating 8 plus hours since a young girl is sad to hear someone dishonor her great achievements. See it by yourself and you will see that any athlete will become better over the years. Kara looks stronger than ever before and she is authentic too. See the video.... and then it will be good to hear from you are clear now and you do not damage the reputation of someone who have been true to herself and others. ruclips.net/video/NJGpcLj8aFg/видео.html
@@keepgoinggo6112 Who are you talking to?
Excellent video my guy !
Thank you for finally saying all of this.
Use of the word “deployed” very Derek (MPMD) 👌👌🔥🔥
Derek is my boy
I can’t wait to hear your opinion on Mat!
Would love an update on the subject considering she's training during her pregnancy.
Thanks for the vids man. Hope you are well.
Great video as always! Keep doing what you are doing and ignore the haters. You're great! Thank you!
You 100% need to do more of this. People love controversy
I'm seeing that lol
Great video. People in the business know what's up.
Amazing vid!
Please do more videos. I think what's disappointing is entering into the games as the avg Cf competitor knowing there are athletes that aren't natural who are competing against you. It takes the fun out of competing and overall takes away from the sport.
I think the days of following the Crossfit WOD and turning up to compete at the games are long gone. Its a full-time career with decent prize money and sponsorship which in itself encourages people to do things to win. I think people need to accept that the Games level athletes are freakish and it is not possible to handle that kind of volume and recover year after year without some needing some extra help in the off season. I don't think everybody is on PEDs, just the amount that are would probably surprise people. I still enjoy watching the games cause even if someone is on something, it won't do the work for you. And the training required to be games level is still mind blowing and impressive.....
That's the problem. The people that want to do it the right way can't compete against the ones on gear.
Look at Mal O’Brien from like 18 months ago, the most obvious cases you can make, 20 lbs of muscle
Thank you! The most obvious case of doping but nobody ever calls her out.
This was a well thought out argument. She definitely reminds me of Barry Bonds. Going from best in the world to out of this world
Well done! People need to be called out ao the rest of us can remember what is actually normal. Natty 100%
I'd like to think that between the multiple CF events and 1.5 Olympics that if there was anything there, it would have been caught. Many an athlete has changed body comp from ealry 20's to late 20's/early 30's. What you mentioned about the low t dosage makes sense, but that isnt my area of expertise. Unless proven otherwise, she is clean, the queen and the goat.
Totally thought this was gonna be clickbait-very interesting video.
To play Devil’s Advocate…
Her looking ‘softer’ in the Mayhem pics-definitely could’ve been edited, unless you got any videos from 2018 of her looking softer. Also maybe she was going through a bulk period to which she later cut down? No idea if she has ever bulk/ cut in her life-just a possibility.
I don’t know if her Covid performance can be considered truly dominant cus of again only the 5 people… think of how many different people we saw win events this year and how some of them didn’t even podium at their quarterfinals.
She did say (I think in the 2017 documentary…?) that she saw how negative she was being toward herself in the previous documentary and that’s what changed her attitude.
Do you think if she is/was using-do you think previous training buddy Mat Fraser knows? If he did know, do you think he would tattle, or use it with his new prodigy Mal? Would love to see a Natty on Matty.
Good idea. I enjoy the devils advocate
It strikes me that there are other data that need to be gathered in order to make an *informed* assessment of an athlete's fitness, whether 'natural' or 'enhanced'. One such datum is workout schedule: what has one done in workouts to reach the level of fitness she or he has? One text I continue to hear about juiced jocks is that they medicate to get shortcuts to fitness or physique. Is this true of Tia? When comparing her workout schedule with other competition, does it seem she takes shortcuts to get where she now is? I've not heard this said about Mal O'Brien--perhaps because of her age, her small size, her newness to the stage, and so on. But perhaps it's also because it is generally admitted that no one works harder than she. Perhaps the same about Froning, although some chatter in his case about being 'enhanced', which I've always doubted. His progression seems pretty natural given the demands he makes on himself and given the testimony of others (another datum). In any case, Andrew, I wonder if folks have noticed Tia slacking off on her workout schedule while remaining on her fitness and physique upgrades.
Oh this is gonna get interesting!
This is going to set the internet on fire 🔥
You see right through me
Brave. Headline - not click bait. Did not think you’d call her out the way you did. Interesting to see if there is a response.
Not click bait this time
There wont be a response. Usually when people rush to make a response video its the first sign of admission to guilt. They will prob just shadow ban Hiller they everyone else does who dont agree or like his content lol
Damn I’m a fan now. Thanks Hiller
A Woman's body is forever changing
Very interesting as I have competed in a variety of sports my whole life. I have been training in the CF world for about 6 years now. Its super tough nailing down and learning new things /being flexible/ ect ect. To see how dominant these top 40 athletes are and maybe even the top 100 is insane. I think when Froning was being so dominant it was more of how young the sport was. These movements were so new to the field and no one trained like Rich did. Now these athletes have everything dialed in from sleep to strength training. It is to your point that being so dominant you whoop the fields ass by 200 points to take the W every year. I would like to think that these athletes at the top are squeaky clean but there is a part of me that thinks maybe there might be help. Great content keep it up
I sent this message to Andrew since he is the source of this video: Let me give a different view and you will see TIA IS HONEST and we not doubt about her integrity. I have been seeing all TIA's videos and other since she started and I tried to find like 2 videos in which I was thinking "is TIa pregnant?" and then the case that TIA uses a equipment that do massages in the meantime she is seeing tv, or in the way to the gym. The constant use of those fitness equipment eventually give the athlete a plus. There are others equipment for the legs too. But just today she posted other video like the one that confuse me if TIa was pregnant or not. . If she is using those fitness equipment and also dedicating 8 plus hours since a young girl is sad to hear someone dishonor her great achievements. See it by yourself and you will see that any athlete will become better over the years. Kara looks stronger than ever before and she is authentic too. See the video.... and then it will be good to hear from you are clear now and you do not damage the reputation of someone who have been true to herself and others. ruclips.net/video/NJGpcLj8aFg/видео.html
@@keepgoinggo6112 sorry but she's not natural. You can bet the house. Not trying to be mean. Just honest
I think everyone hopes this is not true. Only because she seems like an honest and transparent person. Yet, as competitive as they come. This would highly discredit the CrossFit Games...
Mat Fraser seemed adamantly opposed to PEDs in the 2017 "The Redeemed and the Dominant", so any ties made in the comments between Tia and Mat using...that would really suck. Then again Ricky lied straight to the camera in that same documentary.
Greg Glassman(Da man with the Vision) created CrossFit for the general population. The CF Games were not his vision. Defeating Obesity and Diabetes while in a supportive community was his vision.
My own experience; I have witnessed the changes in my own body over the years of playing sports and competition(to a degree). The most shredded I had ever been in my life was AFTER having my second child and having started CrossFitting 3months after giving birth; Less than a year later I was on a comp team at regionals. Major body changes from lanky limby runner, mama llama butt, to then be CrossFit shredded after about 18 months of 6 days a week 3-4 hours a day. Fast forward back to full time work and domestic life...lost the shred. Over the years my body has cycled through phases in relation to my sleep, diet, stress, frequency and INTENSITY of CrossFit.
Did you know within one month a woman will gain and lose an average of 3-5 pounds depending on her menstrual cycle? This is the average! Less or more dependent on overall lifestyle variables and stressors. Even nowadays, at 45 yrs old, when I attack a high intensity track workout or CF Wod, the next morning/day my whole body is leaner. Women can appear/be totally jacked in the upper body but not as much in the lower body, unless extra attention is given to the lower body. Genetics.
I believe that Tia, given her history of athletics and Triathlon Competition(where Shane met her) she very well could naturally cycle through the body phases you highlighted. CrossFit is a different beast in terms of potential for shaping the human body; and the woman's body is a highly malleable subject. I really hope Tia did not take PEDs. That is all.
This is about as well thought out a comment as I have read.
If there were to be an opinion up against mine, yours Heather is the most fair.
Thank you!
@@hillerfit You're welcome. Thanks for taking the chance to put this content out there.
Such a valid point! I have and still do experience this with my own body too. Hormonal changes and even down to taking hormonal birth control for years and coming off it and different phases of our cycle all have a huge impact on physique. I’m much leaner in my luteal phase than folicular and you do physically feel “softer” at the later stages of your cycle.
nice comment - I agree with you - I hope Tia does not use. I am with you on this one- women's bodies are ridiculous - I will in one month cycle through hard abs and capped shredded shoulders - to fit-but-flabby-even-chonky - all in 30 days dependent on a lot of variables. I think Andrew's video is amazing and thorough; it would be hard to accept that Tia is using; but Andrew makes sooo many valid points that - one wants to ask whether the public is allowed to see her testing frequency schedule (off and on season)
"I think everyone hopes this is not true" is that analogous to saying "I hope the Tooth Fairy exists" ?
You mention female hormonal changes
There are no female hormonal changes that would result in a massive release of testosterone, that would build massive arms, back, quads etc
Tia is a great Champion but so was Lance Armstrong
Better video than I expected, great job Hiller! It is very positive for the community having people talking about elite athletes and steroids, as well as frustrating and dissapointing for those who want to achieve this level
Thanks!
I sent this message to Andrew since he is the source of this video: Let me give a different view and you will see TIA IS HONEST and we not doubt about her integrity. I have been seeing all TIA's videos and other since she started and I tried to find like 2 videos in which I was thinking "is TIa pregnant?" and then the case that TIA uses a equipment that do massages in the meantime she is seeing tv, or in the way to the gym. The constant use of those fitness equipment eventually give the athlete a plus. There are others equipment for the legs too. But just today she posted other video like the one that confuse me if TIa was pregnant or not. . If she is using those fitness equipment and also dedicating 8 plus hours since a young girl is sad to hear someone dishonor her great achievements. See it by yourself and you will see that any athlete will become better over the years. Kara looks stronger than ever before and she is authentic too. See the video.... and then it will be good to hear from you are clear now and you do not damage the reputation of someone who have been true to herself and others. ruclips.net/video/NJGpcLj8aFg/видео.html
You should do a video on what exactly CrossFit tests for and if someone were to do PED’s what they could get away with using.
For me, it is the traps that always gives both men & women away, but particularly women!
Great video, and I completely agree. The change in her physique is obvious but the complete dominance over her competitors is crazy.. This is a sport where everyone expects her to win everything and no one questions it.
Oh No you didn't! So much for that Crossfit HQ gig. Keep it real Brah.
When it’s the off-season, but you wanna stay relevant……
Absolutely love this content! Your analysis is awesome and spot on.
I love Tia but as an experienced weightlifter who is an avid follower and amateur body builder - there is a generic potential everyone can reach and she has definitely passed hers.
I think another point that you can hit on is that she is much more muscular but her body is also more lean. This is incredibly difficult to do when your natural test levels as a female are
Interesting take. I’ve done the body building thing but I did physique. I know that between bikini and physique is muscle. The way we train is different. You don’t think female cross fitters would be bigger than bikini body builders 1: the training is different and 2: in CF heavier weight is being lifted? Just curious on your take. I’m not saying these women aren’t on anything because I’m sure some definitely are.
@@dhall75608 To your point yes absolutely - some female CrossFitters are bigger than some female bodybuilders but some are not it depends on division. Today the figure women are almost as big physique women. Not sure if you’re competing in a tested league or NPC/IFBB but in IFBB these women are legit big and some of them are much bigger than the crossfitters but after seeing some of these amazing athletes in person in Madison a few weeks back I can see that my assumptions are likely correct. Andrew actually nails many of the key points in this video.
I’m very scientific and observant with how I trained and measure things. I managed to gain close to my genetic potential but no mater what I have done I can’t peak my body over 100lbs of lean mass while maintain a lower than average body fat percentage. I also don’t train like a traditional bodybuilder either - my training is more similar to CrossFit style with high intensity and compound lifting. There is just a genetic limit to what can be achieved. Now I am not saying 100% of everyone is 100% on something but when you look at aesthetics, development, mindset and leanness you can see where the performance enhancers are very prevalent. In my analysis Tia seems like she did all the hard work up front and then added things in, just as Andrew theorized.
Not sure where you competed or how into the industry you have been but as someone with female friends taking PEDs and beating witness to the benefits I just see it as very obvious in CrossFit.
@@lotz871 interesting take and thank you for that. I did IFBB physique. But it’s been about 5 years since I competed so I’m sure the way the field looks is different. But I started working out in college so I had been working out for years and started lifting heavy when I graduated college. Then I got into CF and my training for my show was fasted cardio in the morning and evenings were my CrossFit class and then to the gym to lift whatever body part I needed for the day. Heavy supersets. But, genetically, I just build muscle easily. The hard part for me is losing the body fat and it took me doing all of that to get it down.
@@lotz871 I’ll add I do think PEDs are def being used in CF for sure. Knowing a bit about them, it wouldn’t surprise me to ever find out who, of the top athletes, are. But it also wouldn’t take any of their hard work away, in my eyes.
@@dhall75608 Ohhhh yes! You're 100% correct. Things have changed SO much especially in the Figure and Physique but also with Bikini as a trickle down effect. My posing coach is an IFBB figure pro - she looked nothing like these ladies do today. I remember in 2018 when I did the Arnold Amateur and saw the pro Figure ladies compete and I was like WHOA, these ladies are strong and huge! It was incredible. Another indicator would be Erin Stern, long time OG Figure competitor, now competing in IFBB Bikini. Look at how the whole field has shifted, it's nuts and now they have a wellness division and those girls aren't tiny either.
Interesting about your training, I am sure CF helped you build even more muscle and even out your frame. I do everything measured so I heavily rely on DEXA scans for accuate information. Have you ever tried that? I will give you a much better idea of your progress - it's like x-ray vision. I manage to stay lean but it's a balancing act and head to do as a natural athlete. Another struggle natural athletes have when maintaining lean mass is the balance between upper and lower body. For instance, mountain biking and spin are great for my legs but then my upper body suffers and shrinks. If I was enhanced, i wouldn't have such a hard time finding the balance.
It's the face. When you see the face get wider and 'fatter' while the body is getting leaner!? Yeah. Juice.
congrats on 18k subscribers
Thanks man!
Your are right. It’s just your opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. 🤷♀️
Damn right!
You don’t get noob gains after multiple years at the highest level and training for the Olympics. That’s the hammer in the nail.
Nail in the coffin?
Yeah I would agree with this...
She went from getting 2nd twice ....to 1 year later destroying the field .....some how went from being at the absolute top of the sport to being sooo far above it in 1 year of training....she got even better in that 1 year then she did the rest of her entire training life...
Athletes at the top of any sport would kill to make a 1-3% increase in fitness and skill in 1 year.....but she goes far beyond that...must have just trained harder obviously....
Fraser did the same thing....2nd twice (absolutely exploding in that 1 event against Ben smith in 2015 or what) to absolutely destroying the field by 100s and 100s of points without even looking tired most of the time...
Both of them trained as olympic lifters at the highest possible level of that sport ....and then somehow swtiched to crossfit and both can become just sooooooo much better ....never ending gains must be nice
@@hillerfit ***said with thick Boston accent*** no, hammer in the nail. its a new event at CrossFit next year and its gonna be a disastah.
I sent this message to Andrew since he is the source of this video: Let me give a different view and you will see TIA IS HONEST and we not doubt about her integrity. I have been seeing all TIA's videos and other since she started and I tried to find like 2 videos in which I was thinking "is TIa pregnant?" and then the case that TIA uses a equipment that do massages in the meantime she is seeing tv, or in the way to the gym. The constant use of those fitness equipment eventually give the athlete a plus. There are others equipment for the legs too. But just today she posted other video like the one that confuse me if TIa was pregnant or not. . If she is using those fitness equipment and also dedicating 8 plus hours since a young girl is sad to hear someone dishonor her great achievements. See it by yourself and you will see that any athlete will become better over the years. Kara looks stronger than ever before and she is authentic too. See the video.... and then it will be good to hear from you are clear now and you do not damage the reputation of someone who have been true to herself and others. ruclips.net/video/NJGpcLj8aFg/видео.html
@@keepgoinggo6112 Stop copy and pasting this utter garbage all over🤦♂️
I am a Toomey Fan for sure, I watched the last event where Toomey took her time finishing the event, she was asked if she would retire...
I think Tia is struggling to continue to live a lie in a way... does she continue in the sport and risk Everything that she has accomplished...
I think Tia will in fact retire... No One wants to leave in the way Lance Armstrong left...
If Crossfit enhances their Drug Testing, Tia is out for sure as many others...
Shane knows what Tia is taking, I would straight up ask the Man that prepares Tia's diet.
that would be a great Interview.
I sent this message to Andrew since he is the source of this video but he deleted: Let me give a different view and you will see TIA IS HONEST and we not doubt about her integrity. I have been seeing all TIA's videos and other since she started and I tried to find like 2 videos in which I was thinking "is TIa pregnant?" and then the case that TIA uses a equipment that do massages in the meantime she is seeing tv, or in the way to the gym. The constant use of those fitness equipment eventually give the athlete a plus. There are others equipment for the legs too. But just today she posted other video like the one that confuse me if TIa was pregnant or not. . If she is using those fitness equipment and also dedicating 8 plus hours since a young girl is sad to hear someone dishonor her great achievements. See it by yourself and you will see that any athlete will become better over the years. Kara looks stronger than ever before and she is authentic too. See the video.... and then it will be good to hear from you are clear now and you do not damage the reputation of someone who have been true to herself and others. ruclips.net/video/NJGpcLj8aFg/видео.html
@@keepgoinggo6112 being "true to yourself" is subjective... to be true to others in the meantime is nearly impossible...
the only people that truly ruin their lives is the people living a Lie...
If Tia stays clean she will be fine... If she continues to use... then all bets are off.
they all use PED's, anyone in competition is at a disadvantage If they do not.
better testing will purge the system
Make more of these 💯
Can you also apply this to Streat Horner… He’s jacked all year.
Natty (Genetics) or Not?
I can totally make on on him.
Have to say, GREAT points that I have to agree with and have thought for a while. I use to be the ignorant “everyone is clean” guy. Not anymore. No way in hell EVERY year you can come in and totally conquer every other “fittest on earth” competitor by such dominance
Love watching them. Greg Doucette and "More Plates More Dates" makes a ton of them. I love how everyone says that they are tested and would be caught. Exactly how many times was Lance Armstrong caught?
Lance Armstrong had millions of dolllars behind him supporting his lies. Sorry, but Tia and Lance are not in the same category of money earned in their careers. She doesn’t have the network he had behind him.
Are you seriously comparing the money behind cycling to the money in CrossFit? Lance had people with very deep pockets helping him cover up his lies. Are you saying Tia has access to the same network with the money that is in CrossFit?
@@katefoster9743 Just clarifying that drug tests can be beat. I was not stating she used them, just stating the obvious that for as long as drugs have been used in sports, people have found ways to beat them.
I will likely comment his name 50x before the night is done lol
@@katefoster9743 You don’t need a whole team behind you, especially in CrossFit to beat their testing.
Just read something like T-Nation’s article “How to beat CrossFit drug testing” for an introductory level into PEDs and protocols.
We may never know. There are a lot of good points brought up here on this video.
We will never know is the only truth in this whole thread haha
Just a well thought out opinion from someone a lot more knowledgeable on this stuff than me. An opinion, not fact. A great thought provoking video. How do I feel about that? What’s my take on it? Thank you. Can you do a video on testing please. Why is CrossFit testing porous? What suggestions do you have to clean it up? Love your stuff. Don’t agree with everything, but that’s the idea , right?
Good work good observations.
The hulk screams alone should be a red flag.
I don’t believe she’s on PED’s. You’re looking at photos of a different time in the sport. 2014,15 & 16 is a very different era to now. She was young and a bit fluffier, you could say the same about Annie in the early days. Look at her 2009 photos when she was a teenager compared to now.
The photos of later at Mayhem she’s just put on a bit of weight and doesn’t have the same definition. What you have to realise is she is pretty small so any weight gain is going to take any definition away quickly, in particular for girls, men tend to get away with putting on more weight but keeping more definition. She’s grown into herself more as she’s gotten older and I think you will see the same transition with Haley as she builds more strength. You can already see similar changes with Haley but all these young ones have been doing CrossFit a lot longer than Tia had been when she started in 2014 so it’s not apples to apples.
Don’t forget as well Tia was heavily focused on weight lifting for the Olympics in 2016 and commonwealth games in 2018. A lot of strength training and weight cutting impacts your body composition.
She won almost all the events in 2019 and 2020 because there wasn’t the depth of field to take points away from her. Again I disagree it’s due to PED’s.
She is the best of all time, I hope everyone can focus on her incredible achievements and celebrate her rather than trying to tear her down. Regardless if you “like her or not” she truly is the best to ever do it and it’s unlikely we’ll ever see the same reign from anyone like this again.
It's not tearing her down. I also think she's the greatest of all time and love watching her compete. It makes no difference if she did it 100% clean or took a few peptides/SARMS along the way. They don't do the work for you.......they aren't like a magic pill that will win you the games. Of course we can't say she took anything cause she hasn't failed a Crossfit drug test. People get so emotionally invested in someone being "clean" for what? Because it means they did it all with grit and determination and protein powder? The athletes at the games are such freaks, and people expect them to be superhuman but then do it naturally. For some reason the blinders are on with Crossfit for so many cause they confuse the high level sport with the health and fitness program you do at your box and secretly think that they too could have gotten to the games when they were younger with just HWPO
Agree with everything. Best ever, once-in-a-generation athlete. may have taken something but I am not an expert so I cannot say.
You are dead right!! And it looks even more blatant now. The aggressiveness, bordering on rage, during competition is telling.
I give Hiller A LOT of credit because in a world where 99% of the people who do media in CrossFit or who cover it in general? Most of them are kissing the ass’s of all the athletes across the board so to constantly do videos that hits the other end of the spectrum by questioning and confronting everything that nobody wants to talk about deserves nothing but respect whether you agree with him or not! Oh and the other 1% is Sevan 🤣👊 Keep em coming Hiller! #NobodyLikesTheTruth
The issue is, he didn’t provide any hard, objective evidence. It’s literally all speculative. Plus, his arguments regarding the point already were subject to the competitors that were or weren’t in the games.
Couldn’t agree more
I sent this message to Andrew since he is the source of this video: Let me give a different view and you will see TIA IS HONEST and we not doubt about her integrity. I have been seeing all TIA's videos and other since she started and I tried to find like 2 videos in which I was thinking "is TIa pregnant?" and then the case that TIA uses a equipment that do massages in the meantime she is seeing tv, or in the way to the gym. The constant use of those fitness equipment eventually give the athlete a plus. There are others equipment for the legs too. But just today she posted other video like the one that confuse me if TIa was pregnant or not. . If she is using those fitness equipment and also dedicating 8 plus hours since a young girl is sad to hear someone dishonor her great achievements. See it by yourself and you will see that any athlete will become better over the years. Kara looks stronger than ever before and she is authentic too. See the video.... and then it will be good to hear from you are clear now and you do not damage the reputation of someone who have been true to herself and others. ruclips.net/video/NJGpcLj8aFg/видео.html
Yes, because damaging reputations without a single shred of proof, is commendable. Were you hoping to get a date out of your internet handjob comment?
@@chrisvanderwielen1530 He isn't damaging anyone's reputation you fkn dork. It's merely one person's opinion on something. The amount of traction and attention this would need to actually ruin her reputation is in another stratosphere. Oh and Naw your mother takes care of that already! 😉 I love her small hands!
More of a question, than anything else: in the comments people mention her attending the Olympics as a weightlifter. But that sport will be kicked out of the Olympics at/after LA games because of repeated failure from IWF to stay on top of PED usage in the sport for quite some time now. It's a very interesting video that will trigger conversation, but is the argument of the Olympics as compelling? I don't know, I don't. And we will never fully know.
I think you nailed it!!!!!!
Fuck! That was wild to watch as an Aussie. I’m such a consumer that what ever I watch is truth so I watch you for the sheer thrill and I watch her shot to see greatness but now i can’t help but question it all. Sucks for me on both ends. Biiiiiiiiiig balls on you though! Wow
Coincidence that her transformation seems to happen around when she started training with Fraser? And he was winning by insane point margins too
Absolutely not
@@hillerfit only fair to do is Matty Natty next 😂
@@triwithlaura3138 AGREED
Yes. Look at Mal who also trains with him. She's an advert for PED use.
In that pic with Rich, even he looks average.
I think she’s very gifted genetically, but I don’t think she’s 100% drug free. Same with Fraser
And there is nothing wrong with these guys being genetically gifted but then getting that extra 5-10% with some help. People expect freak athletes to show off amazing feats at the games (kind like circus performers or monkeys) but then don't accept that sometimes extra help is needed to perform at that level. There is no two ways about it, Games level Crossfit athletes are freakishly fit with muscular development that would put many physique competitors to shame. The guys in the physique comps are on PEDs so i don't think it is possible by doing ring muscles ups and crossfit programming along with weights to achieve composition that is even more freaky than the physique guys.
April 5-9 2018 Tia won gold in weightlifting at the Commonwealth Games and would have been under WADA protocols
WADA doesn't mean they can test for everything. Especially if you have some cutting edge compounds........Do you think the Olympics is completely clean? I don't
The same WADA who admitted Armstrong pursued "a systematic doping program for a decade probably with the knowledge of people who were charged with detecting drug cheats"?
Do more. But i'll say this now, if froning isn't on the highest levels of juice then i'm a tinkerbell on prozac at ultrafest back in 2013 at this present time
This is good
Massive points for the Ultrafest reference 🤣
Andrew would never say Froning is juicing😅😀But female athletes are always an easy target for him🤷🏽♀️
Can you do a video on if David hippensteel is natty or not. Based on his past lack of adherence to rules and poor integrity I’m guessing NOT !
I say he is natural
@@hillerfit naturally an attacker of Batman’s gadgets at the games.
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
8:31 I was an elite swimmer, got fat, did triathlon for a long time, had kids, and got fat, then started doing CrossFit almost 2 years ago. I got jacked in two years and I’m just a regular guy at a middle of the road suburban box. I don’t see me ….all of a sudden ….exploding with muscle unless I make DRASTIC changes.
I don't know if using pictures is the best way to gauge this entire argument but then again not sure what else you do. The point margins seem to be odd for sure seeing as she barely won then just started killing opponents. Then again she is a specimen.
I'm in argreement with all of this
You should make one on May Fraser if you haven’t already! And then one on Mal O’Brien since Mat is coaching her and her performance has skyrocketed in such a short time
I’d imagine it’s similar to Tia with the ABSOLUTELY BLOWING EVERYONE ELSE OUT IF THE WATER in points
For sure. Both juiced up to the gills, in my opinion!
@@johnauld9851 They get tested like crazy. Mat would have been caught if he was.
@@LancerX916 Cause Lance Armstrong was caught numerous times? He still holds the record for most drug tested athlete in the world.
Mal is young she’s bound to skyrocket. Plus she’s moving so much better so that explains that 🤷♂️ May Fraser would be interesting tho
This should be a one second video.
Script:
“HELL YES!”
Can you make one of these on Mat Fraser? His huge margins of victory are very similar to those of Tia
I've recently gone down the ped research rabbit hole and came to the same conclusion. I think it runs way deeper than just Tia and people need to stop being s do naive in CrossFit! So well done on the video 😊
Welcome to the Matrix
Agreed. Its almost like people have blinders on because they want to believe that the sport of Crossfit is like the fitness regimen that you do at your local box to stay fit and healthy. Do I believe everyone is on PEDS in competitive crossfit.? No. But it would be pretty crazy if the guys at the very top (that win year after year) were able to also beat every person that was having PED help just through sheer mental determination, training harder than everyone else and an awesome protein packed diet.
I sent this message to Andrew since he is the source of this video: Let me give a different view and you will see TIA IS HONEST and we not doubt about her integrity. I have been seeing all TIA's videos and other since she started and I tried to find like 2 videos in which I was thinking "is TIa pregnant?" and then the case that TIA uses a equipment that do massages in the meantime she is seeing tv, or in the way to the gym. The constant use of those fitness equipment eventually give the athlete a plus. There are others equipment for the legs too. But just today she posted other video like the one that confuse me if TIa was pregnant or not. . If she is using those fitness equipment and also dedicating 8 plus hours since a young girl is sad to hear someone dishonor her great achievements. See it by yourself and you will see that any athlete will become better over the years. Kara looks stronger than ever before and she is authentic too. See the video.... and then it will be good to hear from you are clear now and you do not damage the reputation of someone who have been true to herself and others. ruclips.net/video/NJGpcLj8aFg/видео.html
After watching this year's Tour de France and the CF Games I'm no longer under the illusion that anyone at an ultra elite level is NOT doping in some way. It's kind of sad but it is what it is. That mindset is the only way I can watch these sports and not feel disappointed.
I recently watched the women's clean and jerk ladder event from 2013 and I barely recognized Kara Webb (Saunders) and Sam Briggs. They looked nothing like they do now and all the women looked like athletes without looking juiced. Yes, Kara and Sam were just starting out in CF but Kara was already an athlete who had been training at a high level for years IIRC. I don't know Sam's background. Look at Annie. Barely a resemblance to her early years. Nutrition and recovery only get you so far.
Sam’s background was in triathlon I believe
@@katefoster9743 you might be right. Thanks!
TDF and Weightlifting are two sports that lived on PEDs literally. You could not be in the top tier without taking PEDs, and some of the winners decided to take it to a whole new level. Lance completely admits this, it was an unfair field. Tia..from a weightlifting background, saw her performance so far off in weight events in 2015. Time capped multiple times…
@@RogueCylon I'm pretty sure the only sport I watch where PEDS of some sort are not used is Curling. 😄
@@dawnc5797 have you seen the new era of curling? Lmao!
Everyone is on gear. Even if it’s just ecdysterone/turkesterone, fadogia, tongkat ali type stuff, which isn’t even banned. But that’s also low level stuff anyway. More likely a TRT like you mentioned.
You also left out that after her first win she started training with Fraser. Maybe she learned a few secrets from him as he was just as dominant.
Wow very compelling 😲
Sarcasim?
@@hillerfit no how u broke it down was GOOD! Im not privy to how drugs work or the variety of them so everything u said makes sense
Tia got newbie gains after being at the top of her sport for 3 years lol.
I’ve been saying this for a while. She also doesn’t answer any questions about her training differences in those years.
Look at Fraser, he completely changed his diet, sleep schedule, hired a few different specialty coaches, and grew confidence but loss weight and looked leaner in 2016 compared to 2015.
Tia=From continued with Shane’s training and grew confidence to add 10lbs of muscle.
She actually goes into depth on one of her videos about how she changed her diet and training to gain those 10lb and then also after she was done with it explained how she changed her diet and training again to lose it.
Winning the Games to WINNING the games
@@TheBurke185 well shit lol, any chance you can drop a link in a reply? Would love to watch it.
@@hillerfit but then again, we don’t know what she has been through in her life lol.
Exactly, improving her diet and training to maximize PED use. You dont just let steroids take the wheel, you double down. The natty version would make a few point dominance, not major fuckin points for year after year. “Quiet training” and major dominance with no major coach changes is an accurate sign. Look at Mal, she was coached by the GOAT and barely made the podium (but she changed coaches) How she retires will also show signs of PED use. Stay vigilant my friend
If Tias shoulders deflate within 6 months of retiring we know hillers probably on point
One of the many reasons this was the time to make the video
Yeah if she looks like Lu Xiao Jun (if anyone has seen him recently). Literally looks like King Trident from The Little Mermaid after he gets turned into a shrimp.
@@amorfati4927 You made me spill my drink. So true so true 🤣
Rock solid stuff right here
Interesting takes! It broadens my vision on her dominance! I have no idea what to do with the information tho! Just hope shes natty in the end! But she probably isnt!
Obviously she is not using, Shane is using and she just gave him a blo***, get it right Hiller
Wasn't 2018-19 the years where tia started training with a certain someone who won the crossfit games 5x???? Makes you go hmm.
Good analysis. But lets keep in mind the majority if not all her competitors on also using some kind of gear. I'd agree that PED's definitely increase focus, drive, and lack of doubt.
Massive opportunity right now for her to monetize/capitalize off her proprietary method to her physical transformation.
I’ve talked to the guy at BALCO - they know how to beat the system.
My point is that I view the Olympics as the dirtiest sports event ever, especially weightlifting.
My guess is that she met someone and learned “something” when she went to the Olympics
So I see it different from the argument that she’s clean because she went to the Olympics.
Last point - crossfit wasn’t around when I was in my 20s and I was athletic and could place a pounding on my body for days and keep coming back for a long weekend (soccer tournaments). So it’s possible for the truly genetically blessed to be able to recover nightly at the crossfit Games. They have everything so perfectly dialed in.
I think the real truth will come out when she tries to have a baby.
I find it interesting that so many of these elite crossfit women have such hard pregnancies and births.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Anavar was used in conjunction with low doses of Test. She had been training for quite some time so the “nooby” gains wouldn’t be around in 21 when she looks so massive/shredded. Only makes sense that something was used IMO.
I'm kicking myself for not mentioning that
@@hillerfit maybe in a follow up video or something! Anavar is a very popular PED especially for women.
Anavar causes cramps especially low back. It would be tough to train with back pumps. I highly doubt testosterone as well. Maybe primobolan, gh for recovery
@@Discipline_equals_freedom the cramps are easy to prevent ! The hairline looks like test to me 🤷♂️
@@pulkpuller her voice is still feminine. You can use taurine for back pumps but I’ve never had success with it.
New tshirt idea, “I want what Tia’s on”
I hope Tia responds to this. I'm just here for the comments. lol
When it comes to women, you have to look at their childhood development. I have one daughter that played soccer from age 4 and has legs that rival Hiller’s quads and has bigger calves. My other daughter was a gymnast since age 6 and has 8pack abs. You can make similar comparisons of girls that have a youth background in diving, dance and track. These are sports with incredibly repetitive movements that develop the muscle bellies from pre-puberty through young adulthood. So these women look like they are on gear but just have a lifetime of sport specific training. The other consideration is PCOS which is an androgenic condition that has all the good and bad effects of steroids but occurs naturally. I won’t make a guess of which female CrossFit athletes have PCOS but the square jaws, acne, hair loss and lumberjack shoulders are pretty telling .
As I always say, some people believe someone is natty just because that athlete or bodybuilder said so...
I've long wondered at the role early extensive exercise plays on development, and to what degree 'genetics' reflect this period of time. When I was 16-18 I rowed at a local club following years of playing other sports. The training was very much focused on all-round athletic development - obviously rowing was a big part, but running, hill sprints, weights, callisthenics were all given a lot of focus. Following university I went back to the club for a few months to help out and do some training myself. Many of the kids who'd been going there since they were 8-10 years old had stuck it out, and were now 15+. One thing which stood out was how similarly developed they all were - broad shoulders, very lean, huge lats - despite having parents and siblings of all shapes and sizes.
I sent this message to Andrew since he is the source of this video: Let me give a different view and you will see TIA IS HONEST and we not doubt about her integrity. I have been seeing all TIA's videos and other since she started and I tried to find like 2 videos in which I was thinking "is TIa pregnant?" and then the case that TIA uses a equipment that do massages in the meantime she is seeing tv, or in the way to the gym. The constant use of those fitness equipment eventually give the athlete a plus. There are others equipment for the legs too. But just today she posted other video like the one that confuse me if TIa was pregnant or not. . If she is using those fitness equipment and also dedicating 8 plus hours since a young girl is sad to hear someone dishonor her great achievements. See it by yourself and you will see that any athlete will become better over the years. Kara looks stronger than ever before and she is authentic too. See the video.... and then it will be good to hear from you are clear now and you do not damage the reputation of someone who have been true to herself and others. ruclips.net/video/NJGpcLj8aFg/видео.html
I have a couple of friends who both have pcos and do regular weight training, and still look very feminine, no visible side effects and no massive boost to their strength. I'm not sure that would have the same effect as actual roids