Hyrox Athletes FITTER than CrossFitters
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2022
- Who are the real fittest on earth?
I have a feeling many of you don't read this. So I'll tell you here.
It is CrossFitters.
But the Hyrox world has tried to dip its toes into the Fittest on Earth contest.
But you will soon find out that it is simply the Running Games.
Hunter is a beast though.
What do you think?
-Coach Andy 
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Bro I laughed so hard when you said this at 8:54: “everyone wants to give CrossFit such a hard time for their no repetitions”, you’re literally the leader of the NOREP squad 😜.
You two need to do a hook-up............ 🤔
I am a man of the people! But touche!
100% agree Andrew. Crossfitters are the apex predators of fitness.
Boz should just make the whole hyrox race one event at the games , then we could see comparable times..
Brilliant idea
Let’s see a 1 rep max clean event at Hyrox also…😂
I would love to see that!
I love the idea! Just couldn't call it Hyrox unless you license it
@@BernhardKohli just call it event 4 :-)
I love them all, Hyrox, Deka, CrossFit. My typical complaint about CrossFit is they don’t do enough running. To me this is like trying to determine the fittest on a football team. Lineman = weightlifters, linebackers = CrossFit, wide receivers = Hyrox, running back/safety = Deka, kickers/quarterback = Spartan/mud runs. Now who is the “fittest” comes down to if you favor strength or speed.
Running is not a test of fitness, it’s a test of endurance.
Because fitness is so broad and has so many components, any physical challenge can be considered a test of fitness
Nice points Andrew. I am super excited to do my first Hyrox event. Having it as a standardized test is great to see progress over time. Spartan has a similar event called DEKA and has a DEKA Strong where it’s 10 fitness stations and no running. DEKA mile where there is .10 mile between the 10 stations and then DEKA fit with 500 meters between each station that adds up to 3.1 miles.
It’s great to have options in the functional fitness arena and maybe something for everyone.
If you are at a percentile over 90% in running you probably can be pretty good in Hyrox events with just being at a 50% percentile in strength. CF is more balanced in the overall fitness definition. On the other hand I think there are way to much elite CFers who are really bad runners -> if you can snatch 300, Deadlift 550+ but cannot run a 5k under 20min there is, in my opinion, a big big fitness imbalance.
I 100% agree. CrossFit is more balanced in overall fintness when compared to Hyrox but CF is also skewed to favor short, strong people who are proficient at olympic lifts... One can only hope that we see a change in the way events/qualifiers are programmed in the CF community. Something that will allow more of the endurance, body weight, gymnastic type athlete to compete at a higher level. That will never happen though.
Stuart, did you watch this year's CrossFit Games? Precisely that is starting to happen, at least at the elite level. That usually spills down into local gyms but we'll see over the next year or two.
@@davewarfel1 I did and noticed that about 1/3 of the games events had no weight or olympic lifts programed in the workouts. Definitely a step in the right direction. While replying to MD690, I was thinking more along the lines of qualifiers and events other than the "Games". For a strong body weight athlete or runner, or someone with a higher level of gymnastics skill, there is no way to get to that next top level of competition. I should have been more clear above. I completely understand that strength and olympic lifts are a part of the overall spectrum of fitness, but do you think too much emphasis is placed on it?
most elite male crossfitters have sub 20 5 k...don't they?
@@crossfitwilliamsville486 Yes, right around 20min. I researched elite CrossFit athlete 5k times and the fastest was sitting at 18:50min. That is NOT even close to being "elite" in the running world. To give reference, high school kids in cross-country are running at 17min and proffessionals are running 14-16min/5k. Also, 5k is probably the longest distance CrossFitters will ever have to run, completely leaving out more of the "endurance" athletes I mentioned above. CrossFit by far favors the shorter more powerful athletes who are proficient at Oly lifts and I will take that statement to the grave with me.
Thanks for covering this. Didn’t know much at all about the sport.
@Andrew I didn’t really like your content at first. But I’ve grown to like it. I appreciate you perspectives
I am preparing for my first Hyrox event. I think Hyrox is great for people who want to keep their competitive mojo but don't want to invest much time in mastering movements. Events like Deka and Hyrox cater to fitness generalists, which I think most people fall into. I personally love how standardized it is, so it is much easier to measure your progress from event to event. From my experience, most people who do Deka and Hyrox events also dabble in the Crossfit world, just not super serious about it. I do hesitate to call it a "sport" at the moment.
Well said.
Nailed another one.
Especially love the powerlifter analogy at the end.
Could be a decent CF Benchmark workout, and call it 'Hunter' 😁
I’ve never heard of it til seeing people in the comments asking your opinion on it. About all I know of it is what is in this video. Personally, I would get bored doing the same workout all the time. Now, I would do all the Hyrox workouts as part of my training maybe? Idk. I love the change up and challenge that CF can be. Hyrox would be a challenge but once you master it, it becomes less of a challenge.
There is so much to CF that there’s no way I could master it. There is always something to work on or learn. Idk. Maybe I don’t know enough about Hyrox but this is my opinion based on info from your video. And I’m with you. I want to improve my running and don’t mind running, but I def don’t want to run 5 miles every time I workout either.
It’s ultimately good to have a variety of these competitions.
was wondering about them thanks, you getting good
I like strength and I like running. I’m not a CrossFitter, just enjoy watching it. Doing my first Hyrox in November, perfect event to fill the void, after giving up distance running. Enter a running race & distance/course of the event is always the same. So you can go to a race & know if you’ve improved. That’s what Hyrox is offering and it’s appealing.
This Andrew, is one of the best critique videos I've ever seen. Andrew you covered both sides briefly, asked us to think about things, and you didnt come off over defensive about CF!!! Really well done!
My response --- Im writing a ton here, because I believe this is THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR CF TO CONSIDER!
FITTEST ON EARTH??? By whos definition?? But first let me compare a simple truth about CF vs Hyrox - you said it Andrew. CF is in the business of CF gym memberships with a challenge series based on their own Gym workouts and culture vs Hydrox is an challenge event (American Ninja Warriors) that people can train for at any gym or at home. Even CF gyms are training for Hydox.
Two Different Business models --- both making the claim "We crowned the Fittest on Earth".
Hunter McIntyre vs Justin Mederos??
I DONT THINK EITHER! Simply because I strongly feel that all of the NATURAL ELEMENTS need to be tested and measured against to claim Fittest on Earth. Open ocean big water with waves generated by the elements. The Special Forces around the world understand that you need to be able to handle yourself and gear in all of the natural elements -- I believe 100s of thousands of years. Human exploration was successful becasue the gene inside that gave us the ability to ender and conquer! Yes there are modern humans who have that thing and like our ansesters we want to measure ourselve against the best in the world. The individuals who have that thing inside to handle themselves in : sun/wind/cold/heat/water/altitude/desert/snow/distance/weight/speed/enderance/rough terain/rock face/heights/small space/being still/using body weight equipment/mental toughness.
I feel BEING FIT as a competiton needs to be realitive to something? Its not a stand alone thing.
So why a true open water swim test ?? The measurement is - as human we live with open water. There times when we are tested in that environment, the goal - to survive and not drown, to save someone so they dont drown, or to play in the ocean at a skill, riding the largest wave, sailing across the ocean, or paddling for miles. Example: Kai Lenny - Pro surfer at Nazare, Wipes out on a small monster 60 foot wave, then has to duck under five times as addtional monster waves roll over him. ruclips.net/video/tSG3vidlbjE/видео.html. His fitness level is lengendary!! Check it out. Even after the event, they way he is causually talking about - freaking amazing. Tell me how any of our CF world champions now or in the past would have survived that? But could Kai Lenny Snatch 300 plds? No he cant? Could he lift a 220 pd wonded friend and carry him 3 miles to safety? Maybe?
example: 'Murphy' as an event is what I put on to showcase CrossFit to friends. It is so easy to watch because it was realitive to the man himself and his lengendary fitness and pure actsof bravery as a Navy Seal! CF = Relative to something.
Marathon? Why is it 26.2 miles. Why not 25 miles? Read it up. Greece - the town of Marathon, war, and messengers.. you know the history, who were the fastest messengers??? Why have Stone throwing contest (now called Shot Put)? stone throwing in war, the Javaline, pole vault, etc... All were relative to something.
For me Andrew -- If I had the funds I would the most fun and most impactful Zombie Resistance World Chamnpion. A series of test for human on who has what it takes to lead the Zombie Resistance. Sports are entertainment, so why not make it super cool, bring ten times the money, and pay everyone really well. No more volunteer judges.
Who would I want to be on my survival team when the Zombies take over - I'll start with Haley because she has an engine, and she can lift enough, Tia is a bad ass and can swim, so is Rich and Matt, Hunter (Hydrox) will run with Haley deliver the important war fare messages. I yes I would ask Kai Lenny,
For now I think its good that there are new players in the fitness competition playground.
Andrew Andrew Andrew - you were bitching a little bit about about CF productions compared to Hydrox productions and us fans "complaining". First off its only feedback. But here my take on the subject of CF production vs Hydrox - I told my daughter when she started dating Boys, Just because one boy is worse then another one boy who is a bad, doesnt make the bad one good. Wait for a good one.
CF needs to dramatically improve its production and become good with their coverage and production. Im sorry, they can do it if they choose to. Listen and respect your fans.
NOT YOU ANDREW but the core CF business team. Way too many accusess, push back insults, and fear of you Andrew - for a sport thats all about Nobull, No Accesses, Tough it Out, Hard Work Pays Off. If a pro sport cant handle Fan Feedback and a former coach speaking straight - then theyre in the wrong business.
Coming from a total CF fan for over ten years!!
Whose definition of “Fittest on Earth?” CrossFit’s definition, because Greg Glassman was the first person to put forth a scientifically rigorous and objective definition of fitness, and the entire community who views “fitness as sport” has been using that definition whether they admit it or not - “work capacity across broad time and modal domains.” Literally ANY type of physical work for ANY amount of time can potentially be tested, and so far, CrossFit has the most well-rounded test of work capacity. Without first defining it, no one can claim the title of fittest, and now that it’s been defined, whichever sport/brand/company/etc. tests it most accurately can claim the title, which still seems to be CrossFit.
@@spencergsmith Thank you Spencer for your reply. The conversation is a good thing for CF. I understand GG gave his own comprehensive report on fitness. He wasn't the first, however, I do recognize him as the first to reach the masses in the US. And that is a great thing. I feel the science behind the workout culture of CF is amazing! And yet Spencer, we both know that there are PhD professionals who scientifically speak out against it as well. But that's the art of science.
We are talking about the Sport of CF and Hydrox making the claim 'FIttest on Earth'
A light hour or so online research through the history of human-organized fitness and you'll find people like Friedrich Ludwig Jahn (early 1800s) - the founder of modern gymnastics as only one example. And you'll find folks after WW2 their philosophy on implementing workout routines in HS across the country (Rope climbing, pull ups, swimming, push-ups, sit-ups, mile run, wrestling etc...) to make sure that for the next war our young people were fit and ready to go. They recognized that we were caught lazy and not prepared.
Sometimes when I bring up these things in CF chats with CF members they get upset. It's totally ok that GG is one of the Founders of CF and wrote one of the best modern dissertations on quality and testing fitness. And it's ok that he is not the first in history to do so.
I come from a Danish, German, and Irish family in sports and fitness going back centuries. On my father's side, I Olympic track and field. Before CF my life was full of fitness and sport. You're right that CF is the business that is the best (right now) at showing their idea of workout challenges to test total fitness. Hydrox and others could come along and offer their version and science of testing fitness.
But I think without a 'THING' for a fitness test it will be a long road to haul before the mass public excepts the statement claim 'Fittest on Earth'.
For me, it's simple - Before humans figured out how to grow their own food we had to be fit as a (to Andrew's point) survival. Testing ourselves is human nature. I work with children, most carnivore animal species younglings natural challenge and test each other. 'Who's the fastest, strongest, can tolerate pain the best, the most skilled, accurate, etc...
I still believe the question is on the table - the fittest on earth to do What? CF has nailed how to Become your best and fittest self. And I think having their own competition of those training modalities is fantastic. The Annual CF championship! The best at the CF Gym workout elements.
'Fittest on Earth' by itself as a statement will always fall short 'I believe' because of the situational comparison.
@@kairandbellinger1973 first of all, you’re committing the logical fallacy of appealing to authority. Someone having a PhD in no way makes their argument legitimate. Give me specific arguments to comprehend and refute rather than people’s credentials.
And I never claimed Glassman originated everything in CrossFit, and especially not many of the methods we use. However, what I am saying - and this is true - is that Glassman was the first to codify the term “fitness” and assign a scientifically rigorous definition. From everything that I have seen in this industry, no one else did this before him, nor has anyone done it since. And according the definition of fitness - work capacity across broad time and modal domains - CrossFit’s testing, from the Open through the Games, is the most broad and inclusive fitness test that exists, and has the most participants.
“I still believe the question is on the table - the fittest on earth to do what?” Answer: anything and everything. Hyrox clearly tests these specific movements and abilities, but nothing outside of that. CrossFit is, by definition, broad and inclusive, and if you look at the history of the Games, there really is no physical task that is off limits. Glassman wanted it to be that way, because he understood that fitness lies not in completing tasks that you’ve specifically trained for, but in the ability to perform work which is “unknown and unknowable.” THAT is why CrossFit can make the legitimate claim to “Fittest on Earth.”
@@asaine Agree Andrew, Perspective is Everything. To watch Big Ben throw a 75-yard bomb to his favorite wideout has perspective. Imagine no yard markers?
I hate to say this, but Chase, as nice and smart as he is, shouldn't be the one to spend 80% of the air time trying his best (He tries so hard!!) to give us perspective. We should be able to SEE it for ourselves. Is it obvious that Tia is a beast? But the sport needs to live in the athletes placed in the hundreds, not the top five. makes sense to the average view by itself.
As long as CF has to use references from past reports and journals to give reasons to everyday fans they will continue to be challenged by the public.
As a teenager - I knew and so do you Andrew - in your neighborhood who was the fastest, strongest, best pitcher, QB, gymnast, long jumper, best dancer, on and on. Did I or anyone else know who was the Fittest? For what, I would have asked. Because going directly from Football straight into Basketball, I had to catch up with my Basketball fitness training. I was in shape for football.
@@spencergsmith Spencer why the negative response? Relax brother - conversation to hear each other's different opinions. I don't appeal to anyone's authority, I'm bringing up only my ideas for conversation. Sometimes inside and sometimes outside ideas and thoughts, Andrew was not defensive at all, there are other channels where it's only one perspective.
Do You follow authority - isn't following the CF definition of scientific authority and speaking in absolutes blindly the following authority and not open to growth?
Like I've said so many times to defensive CF folks - you don't have to be so angry and defensive. I love the sport. I'm a vocal super fan since 2009, I coach, I teach, and Crossfit is great. But I have to say, as long as there is kind of - Chase said it multiple times on the show - "If you know you know, CF is a science, if you don't know then you better find out". Spencer isn't that what you're saying? I need to understand the science (the CF leaders as the authority on the subject of the Fittest on Earth?)
I 100% disagree as a Fan, its up to CF to display the science in a way that makes sense to the masses or others will do so like Hydrox. Its simple math in business. After a dozen of years of CF competition, they have not made it there yet. It is still an insider's competition. Made the for the CF GYMs. And you know what? That's a good thing. The more people who go to a CF gym the better.
As a professional sport - It's about the fan's experience, not the science behind the competition. Sponsors pay people, fans buy their products.
FITTEST ON EARTH is Badass! I love the CF program. I can hear Sean's opening statement "Welcome to our Broad and Inclusive world championship!". As they say in sports "COMON MAN!" - As a football fan first! I shake my head and smile when I hear the CF overtalk. Let's just compete and have fun watching!!
As a person who already participated in Hyrox, I can totally understand your view on this new "sport" when you only look at the world championships or the live coverage. But there are some more points which i think play a big role and this so called new "sport".
First of all there are different divisions (Normal, Pro) which changes the weight on certain "workouts". There is even a Doubles division, where you can team up with somebody.
Second of all, hyrox has an incredible atmosphere, by far the best i can think of on events i participated in. This is because the spectators can stand inbetween the workouts, since the setup of the course has a very good layout for that. So on every lap and even on every workout you can see, hear and feel your family, friends or whoeer is cheering you on right next to you.
Last thing I want to mention is that Hyrox is making a very good job of tracking your times. You will get the times on every workout, every run and even inbetween (hyrox zone, which is the distance from the run to the specific workout and vice versa) and then you also get a ranking for these times depending on the event or even agegroup. They even have a wall where your laps are displayed so you dont get confusd on which lap you are on (usually its 2-3 laps for 1km, depending on the venu). You even have an all-time ranking, where you can compare yourself to all other participants or yourself.
What you will also see, is that there are a lot of different kinds of people, from young to very old or from very fit to not-so-fit, but accepting the challenge.
so conclusion: I think its a very cool sport for a lot of "normal" people who want to participate in a fitness event, but are'nt that fit or have the time to be a professional.
On the other hand, it needs to improve a lot of live coverage, which you already pointed out very well.
Also, Hyrox has WODs like crossfit, so there is variety in training too.
Yo!!! Pleasantly didn’t expect this.
Crossfit, Spartan, Hyrox; it's all fun and games.
It is an extremely tough test. However for me it’s extremely tough because of the 5 miles of running and the sleds.
Haley Adams would destroy this race. She should crush one during the off season. Seriously, she wouldn’t have to train specifically for it. Just show up and collect your check!
Hunter couldn’t compete in CrossFit, but amateur cross fitters dominate local Hyrox competitions.
When crossfitters did obstacle courses (Spartan) for fun, which was Hunter’s previous sport, they won them. Froning even won some triathlons. Crossfitters are being courted by Olympic teams for their explosiveness.
Hunter’s mouth is his career... when he did OCR that was the ultimate test, when he did CrossFit he weaponized his followers and was going to kick the doors down in the Games, and now he does Hyrox, so now Hyrox is the ultimate test. He’ll be bragging about how mall-walking is the ultimate test in a few years.
What crossfitters won Spartan events, you’re tripping man, put crossfitters out of there comfort zone in anything but crossfit and theyre horrible, 5km local running race they’d get smashed by high school girls, swimming my god my 12year would beat them, how did they go on ski boards at the games 🤦🏼♂️
You talk like how my brain works lol... love it.
Crossfitter since 2010, got ok at it, just trying not to suck too bad as a stay at home mum now.
Really good point about getting in shape for a particular competition. Just "getting in shape" for the sake of looking better is something that most people find difficult. Humans have an intrinsically competitive nature and want to compete against others and/or a standard to see if they can achieve/win. By the way, 160 calories on the Concept2 ski erg is not that big a deal unless it is done in a really short time such as in one to two minutes.
I have been thinking lately that Crossfit really emphasizes and prioritized strength too much. I think their overall tests are biases towards that. The current breed of athlete is hyper strong but quite weak on the running side of things (there are a few outliers). It is prioritized especially on the men's side. The woman almost always match their times on things like long runs, which should not be the case. As a human, running should be very highly valued. I see a Hailey Adams type as a perfect crossover athlete. I would actually make the argument that Hunter and Adams are very similar athletes and are 2 athletes that would be very successful in anything they do.
Hyrox is definitely a good test, but it is still in it's infancy in terms of creating athletes, so I wouldn't suggest that the top 10 Hyroxers are as fit as the top 10 Crossfiters. Crossfitters win that battle all day, everyday right now.
But I do strongly believe that Hunter is one of the fittest people in the world. He just can't snatch 4 billion pounds. But he can use his fitness to crush basically anything you would ever need the human body to do in the real world.
I really do think that the Crossfit selection process is flawed right off the bat in finding the fittest in the world but I will leave that opinion for another time. (I should note that the Crossfit Games athletes are all hyper fit and insanely impressive and I was in awe constantly to what they brought to the table)
Much love Andrew :)
I think that Haley Adam’s would kill it. She loves to run and you hit the mail on the head with Hunter and Haley being the all around athlete. I get tired of people getting onto Haley for not being able to lift as much. But she can demolish with the grind of the workout. She can get stronger but to find that endurance is hard to find.
Most high end CrossFit athletes can run near a 5 minute mile while also being freakishly strong and more impressively, having the ability to do so much shit but just keep going. Way harder to train up strength than it is to train up running. It would take someone years to clean and jerk 300lbs. Would take less than a year to get an athletic person to run a 5 minute mile
@@evskiicf3998 I agree 110% what you said. I’m all about all the CrossFit athletes. I have favorites of course. I was not meaning the run in general. All these ladies and gentlemen can run. I was meaning the grind is hard to build in someone. The mind set of the enjoyment of pain. Strength is definitely hard and you have to build up. Years exactly what I was meaning on why it kills me when people get into some of these younger athletes. Like Haley is getting stronger every year. No she isn’t as strong as Mal or Emma but she is working on it. I just get tired of people finding the negative part instead of positive part of these athletes. I mean come on so many people can talk but they probably couldn’t do what they do. I know I can’t.
This would have worked in the days Rich Froning, who frankly was a running embarrassment, and one of the reasons many scoffed at the idea that the CF Games were the "fittest on earth". But Mat Fraser is a good runner who dispelled that quickly. And many of the Games athletes can run well. They just need the programming to show it.
True Haley is built for endurance !
I don’t think I disagreed with a single thing in this video. Good stuff Hiller.
I’m doing a Hyrox event in November… we’ll see how it goes.
@hillerfit wonder if you had a chance to watch live coverage (if any!) from the Hyrox 2024 World Championships? I still struggle to classify Hyrox as a sport (maybe because I do not know the definition of 'sport' very well, I always considered Hyrox as a well-marketed metcon event), however, I have to admit, by making their events accessible to anyone and everyone they expanded massively over the past two years. It would be interesting to hear your view on a few stuff they introduced: eg devices which were counting WBs reps/no reps 👀, pro relay as a new category with teams representing 15 different countries (fin Hunter on the first run elbowing an Irish runner) and just media coverage in general (crossfit HQ could learn a thing or two from them).
So Hyrox did a tour around the UK at various gyms with a condensed version of the big workout. I believe it was a 1000m run followed by 50 burpee broad jumps, a large volume of lunges, rowing (forget how much), and finally 100 wall balls.
I found it was a fun experience in the same way an in-house comp brings members of the gym together.
Our gym also had tailored the programming a month or two prior to the event to focus on running which helped a lot and it was nice feeling that work pay off at the comp.
1km Run
50 Burpee Broad Jumps
100 Stationary Lunges
1Km Row
30 Hand Release Push Ups
100 Wallballs (6kg)
@@Skiddins yep! Forgot the push-ups... seems like I've tried to block most of that workout from my memory haha
Time to open up a hyrox gym
I agree with basically everything you are saying! Also, come from CrossFit and have signed up for my first Hyrox event in May. I do it so I have something to train for and it requires me to prioritize running! I think CrossFit is by far superior for overall fitness and health and Hyrox does not really have any real "strength element" in it. The closest is the Sled Push / Pull. The rest is just different movements, but programmed as "endurance". In a way, I think it is good that there are no real strength elements because it makes the "sport" more inclusive for the less fit people, who can still sign-up, set a goal and complete it.
My overall training is approximately 70% running (with 1 weekly compromised run workout) and then the rest is a combination of strength and longer CrossFit-style workouts, that includes the Hyrox movements.
It says something that Hunter won Hyrox this year but didn’t qualify for the games. Hard to compare as it’s a much smaller sport right now. Maybe they should do a “Hyrox WOD” next year at the games. Would be interesting to see how the top CF athletes do
sam briggs could probably go and win a hyrox event. Imagine tia. she could probably beat hunter hands down.
Great idea!💡
Briggs did a Hyrox can came 4th.
Do one on Grid League next
Prepping for my 2nd Hyrox race. Ive been CrossFitting for a few year and found that Hyrox is a good fit for me. The lack of skill barrier is a huge draw to people entering the race, pretty much anyone can throw their hat in and give their engine a run.
As observed, its true, there is a strong correlation between those who excel and their running abilities. As someone who prioritized shorter, sharper CrossFit time domains, I admittedly suffered during the running segments at Hyrox.
Hyrox is a fantastically organized event to participate in, and given that low skill barrier, I think most fellow Crossfitters will be sufficiently tooled for and enjoy jumping into a race. Give one a go, Andrew?
Great comment! Would love to see Andrew give it a go along with some other CF athletes. Personally, I think CF needs to take a page from Hyrox’s playbook and standardize their events. CF is being held back from mainstream success with high skill events like handstand walking. Folks laugh when they see handstand events being showcased in the Games. I would take Haley and Justin Medeiros to win Hyrox! Would love to see a challenge thrown down between Medeiros and Hunter and Haley Adams and the Hyrox Women’s champ 💪😎👍
@@jrparker4804 I agree. I didn't quite understand how double under crossovers, pirouettes and some of the other skills new to this years Games are relevant to "The Fittest on Earth" title.
The Games seems to further diverge from your typical CrossFit affiliate programming / WOD year in and year out. In my opinion, adding complexity and additional skill barriers will only water down specificity and therefore result in less mastery. Maybe thats what CF wants, right? Not masters of their crafts, but "The most average on earth" ?
I like both but I lean towards hyrox (and DEKA) more because it's the same movements each time. Makes it a little easier. There is so much to learn and train for in crossfit that it can be overwhelming sometimes.
I agree. I love the idea of crossfit, but I do think it gets too gimmicky because there's this so-called need to constantly change. Guessing how to execute a new move in a race format isn't fitness to me.
Question. Does HYROX test athletes? Can not find anything to suggest they do.
I love how hunter pretends he does this instead of CrossFit and not HAS to do it Instead of crossfit
You need to do a video on GRID league too 🤔
Crossfit> Hyrox 100%
I ran in the Obstacle Course World Championships (Filmed it with 2 GoPro's because they wanted a race POV). I got dusssssssssted by these top racers...up and down a mountain 4 times, 40 obstacles, 99% grip strength tasks, rope climbs, rock climbing grips, monkey bars etc....the event demands shaped the exact body type that makes you the best and all the lead guys were light tiny speed demon runners.
Basically impossible to make an event/race for time not end up having those body types win against more strength(body weight)
I always thought CF competition determines who is the strongest gymnast - i.e. you have the gymnastics movements to eliminate the non-gymnasts, and see who of the remaining field can lift more or faster. Even the fittest person who cannot walk on their hands or use the rings will struggle in CF. As is, hydrox is accessible to an average fitness enthusiast, whereas CF is not. In my opinion, the 'circus' gymnastics movements should be cut from CF. If some strength elements were added to hydrox, that would be a fairer test of fitness.
The ring handstands have been thankfully eliminated. Just waiting on handstands to bye-bye.
This is an endurance test. Not a fitness test
How do you put out so much good content so fast? I also watched he Hyrox competition recently and have to agree with your points. They are great athletes (Hats off to Hunter and Kris Rugloski) but it's not nearly as fun to watch as the games. It's one event running around a track while stopping a stations and is not as easy or entertaining to watch as a field of competitors in a stadium. Hyrox needs to improve their image with more coverage and better media production, Still a fan though.
I supplement my CrossFit with cycling and running so I’m more well rounded.
Hyrox is like taking concepts from the decathlon and OCRs (where the occasional obstacle is a simple movement/workout, not a literal obstacle/barrier you must traverse) and CF and cobble together an event that you can easily reproduce all over the world, indoors or outdoors, and it can be compared year after year, boring to watch, just like the Olympics track events; it's definitely mostly a running event.
You should do a video like this on the Spartan Games. I have loved the Spartan Games. The viewing experience from season 1 to season 2 went way down hill. Season 2 was so much fluff and you had no idea what was going on. The events are cool though in both 1 and 2. It's got a lot of Hyrox elements to it, but more of a CF Games feel. The biggest problem though is it very heavily favors the runners again. Ryan Atkins, who I think is probably the most fit person alive, destroys the Spartan Games, even though he isn't the strongest dude. Very running/fitness biased, but less strength and gymnastics. Fun watch though would be interested to see a video like this on that
Those obstacles actually very technical .. the more people learn the tweeks the better they race and trail running alone is a skill so yeah if he had time to train for CF I wonder how he would do .. it’s all time consuming .. being good at spartan takes talent that’s for sure
Love this. I follow another RUclips guy and overall his videos are enjoyable, he’s humorous and his weight loss/fitness journey has been fun to watch. He loves Hyrox, but then sneaks in jabs at CrossFit being dangerous. Hmm. Okay.
Off subject, but will you and Amanda Hari ever collaborate?
CrossFitters can manage Hyrox relatively easy but Hyrox elites struggle to even stay in the race of a similar level of CrossFit. I think this has been documented clearly by Mal O'Brien, Chandler Smith Jacob Heppner and Ricky who all were in the top finishers in high level Hyrox. Hunter didn't finish the first event at the CrossFit Games when he was given a free pass entry.
your talking about the top end of competitors here which is cool, and you raise some good points ( judging being one) but is softball not boring because its the same stuff every time ? so i dont buy that argument, for me though i agree i think crossfit is up there and respect the athletes massively, however due to injuries and limitations i cant do the movements, however in Hyrox, i can do them all and train for them ( and yes to standard lol) so think this sport will grow, due to the accessibility of movements
I enjoyed my first Hyrox (1:21) - the sled push is heavy at 205kg (~450lbs) so good Crossfitters have an advantage, but fast runners with above-average strength tend to do well
Strength, speed, cardio capacity, balance, power, agility, muscle endurance, flexibility, coordination
These 9 components of overall fitness make a ton of sense and each have their purpose. CF hits all 9, Hyrox hits about 5ish
Hot take, CF should kick em in the balls and literally just do a hyrox race as a single event. Sure the times won't be competitive with people doing it as a singular thing. But do it on like day 3, and the times will still be in a certain margin 🤷♂️
Surely there is another way to test balance than walking on your hands! Kipping is also another movement I question: why not just use chin-ups?
@@mtaylor150 why is walking on your hands not a valid test? Combines overall shoulder strength and endurance with the addition of coordination and balance. Crossfit intentionally includes gymnastics in its methodology.
Kipping is just a different movement standard...and boy oh boy do people love to hate on it. Crossfit athletes do both kipping and strict movements at different times as they are different types of stimuli. They both have their place in CrossFit. Healthy boxes also train and progress both, most requiring the ability to do some strict before adding kipping to avoid injury.
@@mrniceguyhimself I hear you on the walking on your hands. Your argument is sensible. Kipping...you have to do better...
What would be interesting is if the Wednesday at the CF games was the Hyrox test
Crossfit Games should mix things up. Half benchmark workouts and half completely new workouts
That “same thing every time” is the exact first problem I always bring up when ppl tell me to do CrossFit. What Neanderthal wants to train for something they don’t know what to expect of. Every other sport, including swimming and bodybuilding where I’m from, has very specific expectations and therefore you know you’re training the right things.
People who aren't afraid of the unknown or need their hands held... that's who lol
Because CrossFit is training for fitness, and fitness is not a fixed modality. Fitness is “work capacity across broad time and modal domains”, so if you want to be as fit as possible, you can’t only do the same stuff over and over again.
This is basic stuff. 🤦🏻♂️
Whens the strict pull-ups coming???
The race is great and has a tonne of potential for a gap in the market given crossfit is moving away from endurance and all about getting heavier every year, not longer. But having competed in them is beyond frustrating how poor the judging is. I lost out on podiums last year to people who did wall balls nowhere near depth.
As a runner l don’t mind it been 50% of the event
I think you’re correct.
What are your opinons on Hyrox races?
Gaining attention if guys like you and sevan are discussing it. But really anything that gets people eating healthy and moving is good for us all.
Love them. Super talented athletes.
Eh. It's alright. That Hunter fellow is slightly annoying TBH. But that's just me.
It was ok to watch it once, but boring to watch it more than once. It's a running test, nothing else in there is hard enough to be a factor. Their rowing technique looked pretty bad.
Isn't Hyrox the same as Spartans Deka Fit? Nothing really new I think. Gets boring because every race is always the same. And sometimes embarrassing when you see the endurance athletes struggle with moderate weights.
Do you have to be good at running?
I love the written brief though :P
Hyrox is cool. It's obviously far too running dominant to be a comprehensive test of fitness. But the fact that runners and some triathletes are now calling it the true test of fitness shows you how much influence Greg Glassman has had. He's won, essentially. Twenty years ago, the very same people would call a triathlete or a marathoner the fittest on earth. They're now implicitly admitting that fitness is more than endurance prowess.
This is a really interesting take. You are right that CrossFit has shifted what we call “fittest” away from very skinny very lightweight ultra runners. Those guys are amazing though. For me, the line of “fittest” is exactly at Hyrox (but that’s just me). I’m doing my first Hyrox in December and training for four months to get ready.
you should sign up for the chicago race.
I would like to see some high-level CrossFitters participate in Hyrox. How would they stack up?
I have to agree, I like that Hyrox is set as far as what’s being done. Training is more attainable for more people. Yes they do need to add quality into the broadcasts, not that good at all. Considering equipment is cheaper and much better quality they should be able to make a better broadcast.
Is Hyrox a spoof ? It feels like a SNL skit -
At least for countries that have what is known as "winter", of course curling is bigger than crossfit. Ask 100 random people on the street in say Canada how many that can name one crossfitter or one curler and see what response you would get. Crossfit is a small bubble of a niche sport. I would say all olympic sports are more known than crossfit, expect some odd one like modern pentathlon (which I guess looks like another fun way to measure fitness ...)
I remember watching it in 2020 and that was only because Sam The Engine Briggs was doing it, she came 4th I think in around 70 to 72mins or around 1hour 10 to 1 hour 12
I actually like the the way the Florida Grid League does their race
I was actually 1 of the commentators for Hyrox WC and Andrew is spot on about quite a few things. The video was near unwatchable do to bad visuals. And judging has bee an issue very often. I will say though that there have been a couple of CrossFitters make some noise I Hyrox. Rachel Vonderach (formally Schreiber) was 2021 US champ and I think 2nd or 3rd at worlds. And Jacob Heppner and Chandler Smith teamed up to go against Hunter and did actually beat him by roughly 1 second (although Hunter did an extra running lap)
Never even heard of hyrox
Their best Women’s athlete is originally a CrossFit athlete! Lauren Weeks
You should have Sam dancer on the show. He competed in hyrox for fun lol
Haley Adams would win this for sure
I ran a couple Hyrox and it was fun but it was easy. The weight was what an intermediate Crossfit athlete would do (except the wallballs which were light) so the real challenge was running faster. Again,it was great fun but after you have done one or two....it’s just the same thing over and over. They should change it up year to year with new movements to keep it interesting. It’s a great race for people that run and do some weight light training.
I agree, Hyrox is more for the soy boys. CrossFit is much better.
If it was easy, assuming you won and we can expect to see you in the elite 15?
Like most discussions about “the fittest…” it all comes down to the definition of fitness used by the people having the discussion.
For things like powerlifting, strongman, triathlon, sportsball, etc… I can see why they believe that fitness is defined as physical preparation to do a specific task. However, when the “specific task” is basically the same 10 cherry-picked lighter weight exercises done every time, I think it’s tough to come up with a working definition of fitness where Hyrox is superior to CrossFit at crowning “The Fittest on Earth.”
Think aboout the following scenario, you are athletic but do not practice crossfit, you run 2-3x per week and hits the gym 3x , and Ad pops up on your screen about two different events, 1 - Crossfit event , 2- Hyrox type of racing , this average guy in my opinion in more incline to challenge himself at the Hyrox racing. So as an event organizer if put it together well , marketing , movements, sponsors, i have a feeling it would be way more profitable for the organization once comaparing to crossfit. just anothe angle to look at it
CrossFit has and has ALWAYS had a put up or shut up clause to their CrossFit games. Whereby if you genuinely believe you are fitter than CF athletes they will gift you an entry to the games to proof it. Only 1 dude has ever taken it up, a few years back. He was humiliated by being eliminated from the games after the first event.
Yeah, that “world class athlete” never competing again in CrossFit after that. 😂
I know jack $hit about hyrox, but back in 1992 my boxing coach would have us do 100 Wall Balls, 100 kettlebell swings, and 100 air squats, and end by making us skip rope for 3 to 5 straight minutes, 3 times per week. Other times he would have us do ridiculously hard pushup variations, these rotational ball throws and miles of running, which he called "road work". (We did those 100 reps of wall ball, KB swings, and Air Squats in a circuit of 10 rounds of 10 reps each.) Yeah, it was pretty dumb, but it was much easier for the coach to throw that in so he wouldn't have to spend the entire session working on boxing fundamentals.
It would be interesting to see a good runner from CrossFit compete in Hyrox. Maybe get Hailey Adams to give it a shot.
I follow both sports closely. I think Hailey would do extremely well. I think she would have won the world championship at Hyrox this past year. No disrespect to the competitors this year either. Hailey is definitely one of the fittest people in the world.
Adamlink did it....
@@xiscovenero he has a great mile time. Obviously that didn't translate to distance running for him.
Sam Briggs did it 2 years back and placed 4th.
I think Sam Briggs has done a couple of them think they look pretty cool 😎
would be sick if a crossfitter could do the doushebags workout faster
After I left the Army I decided running was not in my future. I hate it. If I'm running you better be running too because shit is getting real. 😂💀
As long as people exercise with good form.
The greatest form of flattery is imitation
As far as I know Hyrox is the same event every time whereas Crossfit comps change event to event. I'm old(52), when I was growing up the guy who won the decathalon was the worlds fittest, then Ironman triathalons came along and thus a new definition of fitness, then crossfit and then eventually Hyrox. Crossfit has the "copyright"(trademark) for the "Fittest Athlete" in the world. If you look at strongman, World Stongest Man owns the title but the Shaw Classic, The Rogue Invitational, and the Arnold are all out there as better comps for both the athletes involved and the viewers. Ultimately it is a game of semantics.
Triathletes are not the fittest by far! Zero strength! 😂
@@casualarrogance The old joke is that "Runners and Bikers have no butts, and that swimmers don't have calves." As a former distance runner I agree with you about triathletes, at the same time as a society our ideas on fitness have evolved over the decades and the media is now telling us that you are "bold and brave" if you are morbidly obese. (have a great day)
A little conspiracy but I wouldn't be surprised if CF bought Hyrox if it's possible because at the moment CF have monopoly on fitness competition. And to buy out the competition is the easiest way to get rid of it and great examples of this is WWE and UFC.
About CF being in the Olympics or something does feel like a stretch and to compare it to curling which probably have a way smaller audience and community is odd. A difference is curling has a long history.
To me a sport isn't a general thing like a sport is something specific that you train for. CF is just a mix of exercises which to me isn't a sport in that sense. Sure it has the fitness level to it but that can be said about many other endurance sports. A sport specializes you on one thing basically and you becomes really good at that. And there are already something similar to CF and that is decathlon. And to be fair a decathlon athlete isn't that good on what they do anyway. I mean they are decent on many things which you could say about CF too. And CFs measure is "fitness" which is a pretty relative term and that I feel is what is against CF in being a legit sport. I mean fitness can be used in all kinds of situations like a chess player has really high mental fitness. Anyway I don't know I don't practice CF anymore but I was very interested in CF when it came to Europe like 15 years ago. But since I am into weightlifting, powerlifting and such I still find CF interesting to discuss. Especially the topics this channel discusses that I guess is why I have binged tenths of videos recently from this channel.
I like people questioning their own "sport" or organization but especially CF because it seems rare in this community to question or admit to its fault or shortcomings. And I think it's those people who questions takes it forward not the "yes"-sayer or the naive ones (teamrichey) who only see the good.
I did a 10 k once as a Crossfit community building thing. We had fun. finished 52:12. I don't mind running, but I don't like it either. That afternoon I went to do CrossFit at home and then went on a steep 2 hour hike with my wife. Just an average day for some cross fitters, but nowhere near the fittest.. bahahhahaha hyrox. Fitzgerald never liked the fact that he couldn't keep up to the big boys of Crossfit with the barbell
Didn’t Hunter get the invite to the games and got smoked?
It would be interesting if the CF Games made this one of their events just to see how much of the field would set times better than the world champion Hyrox athletes.
Nobody at the CFG would beat hunter. Like no one would beat the Ironman world champion. But that's because neither Hyrox nor Ironman are all-encompassing fitness tests.
Hunter couldn’t make it in CrossFit or OCR so now he’s trying this ? 🤣🤣
Agreed
Two completely different fitness/ exercise avenues. One truly emphasizes anaerobic and critical velocity/ upper limit vo2 max training with workouts like Fran and grace( if those are even still a thing) and 10-18 minute chippers, while also expecting mastery of the ATP PC system and 1 rm strength in the same day. Or maybe not. Maybe it’s just 100
Burpees for time. But apart from the 1 token aerobic workout at the games they used to do CrossFit doenst allow the body enough time to get athletes in the aerobic domain for dozens maybe 100s of their wods. Hyrox converesly, emphasizes one’s aerobic system and mainly
Towards the upper end of zone 2 if you’re basing it off 3 zones - “threshold” how
Long can you maintain a consistent heart rate at about 70-85 percent of your max HR. While maintaining the ability to
Not redline so you don’t
Create more blood lactate than your muscles can turn into pyruvate. But the most challenging part of this training
appears to be getting your running form to
Look and feel close to the same after you’ve fatigued your muscles by doing the stations especially the sled ones, burpees and lunges. If we breakdown CrossFits programming principle or
Format. It’s repeated circuits or triplets or couplets, usually for time. This is actually a great tool for the hyrox athlete bc you learn how to do compromised running. Just by adding a half mile or 1k in a triplet or
Circuit with wall
Balls, sled pushes and farmers
Carries and you do enough reps or work to equal 30-45 minutes of time. You’ve created a true training stimulus to what you’ll encounter. The same
Cannot be said the other way aorund. Olympic lifting and even heavy 1-3 max needs to be cultivated on its on with a true strength program and of
You were to run the miles a week it take to be good not even great at hyrox your body simply wouldn’t be able to recover enough to hit your true potential on the platform. Great topic. Well done 👍
Much better than CrossFit. If you cannot run you're not fit.
I ordered two norep shirts, a red one and a black one, ended up with two black shirts. Probably doesn’t bode well for a guy who prides himself on getting the little things right.
I do think it is a bit boring- maybe participating a couple of times would be fun but doing over and over is just a bit meh. Same movements, same weights all the time. That said, you do have to be very fit and have decent endurance to be able to pull it off.
I think if Haley Adams did it (even for fun), she would absolutely smash it!
I like Hyrox and actually planning on doing my first race in 2023 due to seeing Hunter on Sevan’s podcast.
It is a fun thing to look forward 2, while training with the CrossFit methodology, with an extra run or 2 thrown into your week.
I see it in the realm of marathons and triathlons. I think those are the events Hyrox needs to compete with, not CrossFit.
I would agree with this. Somewhere between the two. I would say you have a good approach as well
If you look at those who excel at Hyrox and those who excel at Tri's and Marathons, they aren't the same. Hyrox seems to fit in the middle of the elite triathlon athlete and the elite CF athlete.
@@joshbray5420 where are you getting that data on who succeeds?
I do agree it’s in the middle for overall fitness. I was referring to how it’s run/how they have the events. Anyone can signup, you get a time, and you get a ranking.
CrossFit just has local comps and the open for everyone.
@@hillerfit training has been going well. I am still undecided if I want to be a dbag and buy a ton of No Bull gear and be an absolute CrossFit bro for the race haha.
I dislike running! I’m with you Andrew! I did watch it on ESPN and it was boring
Hyrox’s wall ball standard appears to be different after looking at their rule book. Their standard states that the knee angle must reach 90 degrees. I.e. if you have any shin angle you will hit that standard before reaching parallel. I’ve never done a Hyrox event so I’m not sure how it’s explained in the athlete briefing, but it’s definitely a weak standard.
It's below parallel... the female division for the World Championship this year, no repped the heck out of the top finishers for WBs almost costing them podium finishes. Definitely not weak. (The live feed video is on their channel.)
@@MerridethHawk that’s good to hear! I took a look at the rule book last year when I was interested in doing an event and I remember being surprised by it only saying 90 degrees. Just looked again and it looks like there is verbiage stating hip below knee. Not sure if it was added this year or so just missed it, but I’m glad it’s there 👍
You know who else is fitter than crossfitters?
People who don't do crossfit:)
Hayley Adams should compete at Hyrox she'd crush it. And she's never going to win the Crossfit games....
I forgot what it’s like to see someone with a forehead the moves