Moderate "Men Going Their Own Way" | Is it Logical Given Grim Marriage Statistics?
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- This video answers the questions: What are my thoughts of the moderate “Men Going Their Own Way” ideology? Can a less extreme version of this ideology be beneficial for some men? Referred to as MGTOW, this ideology is viewed by some of a self-defensive stance for men against the risks of romantic relationships with women.
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Lost my home, half my income indefinitely, and half my custody of my kids because the ex wife got bored. Was homeless for a year and a half.
It's a fools game, and the consequences for losing are too high.
Eric you are not alone
"You're" story is the same as mine.
I don't blame anyone but me.
When you were homeless you were likely happier than sleeping with the enemy.
@@Redpillliving yes and no. Being forced away from my children was a toll I'm not sure was worth paying.
If you only lost half custody of your kids, you are lucky.
Many lose access for 24 days per month and every other holiday.
There’s a ball peen hammer, a shovel and Lye that could have fixed that.
I have been MGTOW for the past 37 years. That is plenty long term. No dating. No relationships. I am content. I don't get lonely. I stay busy pursuing other interests. Life is simple. Life is calm. Life is peaceful. And financially, thankfully, I have done quite well.
No regrets whatsoever....
grats on doing well. did you develop many good friendships? oh, i'd watch out for waving the mgtow flag too much, there's a dark side to it. it might be safer to create your own independent slogan.
@@infinityreaper4652 - A "dark side"? What would that be?
mgtow for life brother
@@whenpigsfly3271 that would be the weird grooming that goes on under the banner of mgtow. men develop intimacy with each other and coach on how to use and discard women. fool women into believing you have a commitment carrot to offer, get the sex you want then dump her. (note: this is not my opinion, my brother got involved in this type of thing and did exactly what i said, later he gave me his old computer and as i was wiping his harddrive i saw some emails from one of these groups he had left on the hard drive and it was coaching how to discard women after sex. i feel he made a mistake doing that to a woman). anyway, do more than just superficial research into mgtow before you decide that it's something you want to associate with. i would probably say the same for most labels, it's good to stay mentally flexible. i can see the value of men grouping together and forming valuable male bonds, maybe that aspect of society has deteriorated to an unhealthy level and mgtow provides some semblance of that feeling. women still tend to group together in healthy ways from what i've seen. i always feel that i can go out and spend quality time with one or several women and there is solidarity and i am socially accepted. maybe men don't have that as much.
@@infinityreaper4652 - I see now. I guess I've tended to separate the dark side off into the PUA category. I always thought it oxymoronic that a certain group of men would advocate the pump-n-dump routine and then cry, "Why are all the women whores out here." Another aspect is the idea that - the more sex partners women have the more mentally/emotionally unstable they become. So, it appears, that many men cannot see their own hand in the corruption of women. This is why I gave up pursuing a relationship 25 years ago. I just cannot see past either the risk of being exploited by a woman or contributing to her corruption. Thanks for your candid reply.
A parachute with a 50% failure rate would seem to be a problem.
More than 50% of marriages end in divorce. The rest fail but don’t end in divorce.
Lol smart thinkink
Yes, and even when the divorce rates reach 60, 70, and even 80% they will say “only REAL men get married”. What a joke.
Getting into a long term relationship is risky, but far different than the risk of jumping out of a flying plane. This is a bad analogy.
@@jamespurcer3730 The court system routinely destroys the lives and futures of men for the benefit of selfish women. It happened to my younger brother. It can happen to anyone.
80% of marriages are unhappy and you're still saying most men should still marry? That doesn't add up.
U know why they are unhappy?
Maybe there was never any kind of " happy" in it ,to begin with.
It's like chasing after a mirage in the desert . you'll never catch it ,because it never existed.
Well, men are expendable in this society, so, probably that has something to do with it.
You marry for the children not you
Okay Cathy Newman - Did you watch the whole video?
You Got That Right..
Get married at 25 get divorced at 35 and keep paying the ex until you get put in the grave. Avoiding the 50% chance of this happening in your life is damn logical.
Totally logical.
For 4 years, I was loyal, I was dedicated, I was committed, I spared no expense when it came to her needs and wants. Then one day she said she wants to leave because she was "bored" and that my "stability" was constraining for her. Thank God we weren't married because I noped the fuck out of there without looking back.
Trust me you didn't needed her
Amen, and cheers to you for having the foresight to not legally chain yourself to a statistical boulder teetering at the edge of a cliff.
U didn't need her I do not support this behaviour
Did she want to get married and have kids?
@@TheTruthKiwi Like a woman could possibly know what she wants. Better question: Was it the 3rd Tuesday of the month? My ex wife finessed me into kids (suddenly forgot how birth control works 1 month after she broached the subject and I told her let's wait until we were more solid followed by waterworks/tantrum. I blame myself for not knowing this was a clear red flag, but there was no public red pill discussion back then. What a woman wants is not knowable, even by her. That is the reason for the adage: "It is a woman's prerogative..." a statement designed to keep men confronted with an unaccountable woman blue-pilled and asleep.
Man’s first wife took everything but his shirt. Man’s second wife said “I won’t do you like that.” She took everything and his shirt.
I saw my father going through the exact same thing. I’ve decided to live with him but the courts favourite my mother even though she was an alcoholic with evidence now I’m 23 and me and my dad are reunited and decided to travel full time good man
@@emptyroomd9567 My father won custody after my parents divorce and he is a steady, attentive, loving and diligent parent. He made me the man I am today.
@@MrAnt1V1rus blessed
CGA calls this the "hope strategy."
@@emptyroomd9567 Good for you two men. Nothing inspires me more than strong father-son relationships. Our society's last, best hope.
I walked away 28 years ago. The peace and quiet is addictive.
Feminist: "I am strong, brave and independent. I don't need a man."
MGTOW men: "Okay. Bye-bye. You got what you want, don't be mad now."
@Kurpal Hulkanon I don't care anymore. Stopped caring in 1993.
But mtgow are the mad ones now
@@obeydastrawberry8875 The peace and quiet is addictive. Not angry.
@@obeydastrawberry8875 It's like, women think they're getting to us by hating, but it's like, we already don't want you so you can hate as much as you like... It's as though women want to punish men who have some non-feminist opinion by pre-emptively rejecting us... GOOD!
@@Canucklehead557 if you dont care you wouldnt be on this video
So based on your statistics marriage is only positive for 10% of people. 50% break down and 80% of those that remain married are unhappy. So how can you say avoiding marriage isn't really a successful longterm strategy?
he said it was fine for some. then he said there isn't any study showing that it would improve the lives of most men. even if your marriage breaks down and you still have kids, it can lead to life satisfaction from having kids, and social approval and being seen as someone who is still family oriented. this has some sway in workplaces where the boss might judge a single man with no kids as being expendable. and humans are social creatures, and most men want to be seen as being in or having been in a 'normal' relationship. also there's a lot of echo-chamber thoughts being propagated in mgtow, it's not science, it's just feel-good social stuff that men preach to each other and repeat for feelings of inclusion and social status among the mgtow group.
Andy:
Well Andy, there are such women out there that don't want to marry either and hey, don't do something you don't want to do. Don't even have sex with a woman when you know what her goals are and your goals don't match hers OK ? Very
simple Andy. Now; are all of you guys/ men hearing my feed back to Andy? Try to put this in your daily life. Don't let your sudden urges control you. Don't think from the little head cause it can get you in trouble understand?
' Good luck with that '😉
He didn't say it's not. Those are very long odds to be risking a lot of work and sacrifice against. And I'd be willing to bet the 10% that do succeed usually involve a very priveledged person who has abundant opportunities to thrive. The odds for most people are probably even worse than 1 out of 10.
You Got That Right
@Insidious Sid it's all well and good to troll me. when your male boss is deciding you don't deserve a pay raise, you'll know his reasoning thanks to me.
Lost 270K 11 years ago after a divorce for good behaving. Gone MONK Level IV since then. Long live the free and happy men.
@@evasartorius9528 Free and serenity since 2008. Currently 46, only 5 years away for my pension and leaving the West. Long live the free and happy men.
@@tinafoster8665 she was my high school sweetheart, We was together for 18 years. She simply got crazy after turning 33.
@@tinafoster8665 God bless her soul. She pass away in 2016. Tina, not all men are A-holes. I'm almost 47 and only 'bed-ed' with two women. But realize, maybe, at the end, I would or could not make any women happy. Maybe more men are required to ask that question and go on with their life.
@@tinafoster8665 . What could be the reason that makes men so bitter after divorce? In many cases men make more money. Too bad you are going to be in the loosing end financially. In many western countries chances to get full custody of your children is around 10 percent because law automatically sees woman as the better parent. Depending on the laws of your country living together certain number of days you will automatically give you married status under law. Surely you agree that avoiding long term relationships is just rational. It may be destructive but rational. You go through that even once and you are toast. Chances are 50%. Would you care to try your luck?
Lmao the women on this thread are proving why men dont want them anymore. They cant take accountability for their mistakes and dont understand why men dont want to deal with them at all...have fun with your cats ladies.
I was married for 27 years when my wife insisted on divorce. I was faithful and invested but still not good enough. I'm out at fifty years old and don't have any desire to ever be 'vulnerable' and hurt again.
It’s a hormonal imbalance.
I’ve seen it over and over.
And lived it.
flyourr yes , same as my former wife , most likely the menopause .
I do relate my brother.....
@@flyourr I do see once the people start hitting the 50's their marriage gets strained. (That is about the same time the hormones on both sides start to change)
I work with a guy who can not figure out why his relationship /marriage of 29 years ended.
Funny how it only took me about 3-6 months of hearing his 'home' stories to start telling him, 'bro, your marriage in trouble'. He just did not get it or did not want to get it.
let me guess she felt trapped in her marriage. was bored of you. You didn't make her feel super special princess everyday
Would you sign a mortgage if the bank could renege at any time, then evict you and legally require you continue paying the mortgage for the next 18 years? This has nothing to do with hating any person. This is about money and common sense. That's it. Modern marriage is a very bad idea financially. If men weren't so disadvantaged in Family Court, MGTOW and TRP would not exist.
This is absolutely the truth. I agree. My husband was completely stripped of everything and has to pay alimony for the remainder of his days. She wouldn't even give him his tools, pix of the kids, and far more and worse. I think if one does marry and need to get out, do it before the seven year mark. Family courts will screw the man otherwise.
You mean like Toxic Asset Mortgages ? .... yeah - I will never do that again either.
I have been saying for decades that modern third wave feminist marriage is totally destroying heterosexual marriage.
Financially reasonably well off men might be better off with a catering meal cook, maid and prostitute.
Men, however, do want children, and that is one of the leading frictions in contemporary marriage.
govt wants to extract all money out of you to a woman because she will put back lots of that money back to economy.
the only reason they're draconian
yes, this is factual, but it's a part of the story: the woman can cheat on you and file a divorce and get everything anyway even if you have no fault, also your children can be used as a weapon against you, you could be prohibited and restricted and don't see them where the mother can allow any man living in your house with your children.... this is crazy shi* , it's not only the money you lose (a lot) but that you're emotionally raped, and all this stuff is legal and endorsed by tribunals and judges... anyone that think about marriage should consider these potential consequences
If I was gambling 1/2 my net worth daily, you would think I had a gambling problem. Married men gamble that and more everyday.
i know a guy who cant even drive anymore because they took his drivers license away because he couldnt afford the thousands of dollars of child support a month. shes a drug head and they let her take the children hah
@@johnnynesbit8289 Lmfao reading this sh!t makes me so thankful I'm single 😂🤣🤣
You got that right. Feel the same way.
@@johnnynesbit8289 I've heard this again and again. America's family courts are so screwed up.
With gambling there is at least a small chance of winning. These men might as well be flushing their money down the toilet.
"Men are more vulnerable to the short-term consequences of divorce." I suppose 15 years could be seen as short-term.
who wrote those laws anyway
@@infinityreaper4652 some douchebag
@@infinityreaper4652 Who else but fefailists! There should be legal awareness channels! Every law should be debated in public forum before it is passed in parliament!
Well, if we're going by geological time scales LOL To the poor guy down in it its forever and a day.
@@Jerry-fr4xo a man did
Society has removed all the incentives for men to marry and increased the risks. Marriage fails a simple cost benefit analysis. You focus on the couple and forget about the State.
What can be done to fix it? How can men ahve incentivoes for marrying again?
@@nockin7976 Men have always received all kinds of material and moral incentives to give up freedom, namely: no divorce, authority at home, virginity/ chastity and even money. Why are people surprised that marriages are failing when all of those things are taken away?
@@nockin7976 Why get the state involved at all? Why not just love one another?
@@nockin7976 get rid of no fault divorces .
@@nockin7976
Nothing. There's more married couples today then there has ever been. Men are not leaving marriage.
I'm mgtow for 5 years without knowing what the hell it was.
I'm at 6 years unintentionally, I feel like a woman needs to prove to me shes worth being around and nobody has done so yet
@@joshy2joshy isn't that the definition of incel 😂
@@joshy2joshy
🤣🤣
C'mon. Be honest Josh.
@@blindeagleace3629 Let's just degrade ourselves, it's all we know I guess.. There are girls I want that I can't have but there are also girls I could have that I don't want.
@@joshy2joshy
Sure thing Josh. Go get em tiger.
I think one of the most interesting and conclusive observations which Dr. Grande makes is that people who STAY married are happiest, and people who never get married are happiest. In other words, to be happy either way, there can't be an inbetween.... and it makes sense. People who are divorced generally are unhappy. People who constantly try their best to force themselves to get into relationships for the sole purpose of getting married are unhappy too. And these are things that people who are either married for life or simply have no desire to become married do not do.
So the lesson is to either do it right or don't do it at all
Steve G good points...but WAY too many people don’t know how to do it right. That’s not figured out until knee deep in it...
We aren’t given the manuals and even if we were, there are so many individual variables.
So many people have unresolved childhood wounds, and the subsequent insecure attachment styles, which wreck havoc on being able to develop a healthy relationship. Most people have no clue about their subconscious world, the false narratives they’ve developed, and the myopia which influences their often self sabotaging behaviors.
We put SO much time/effort/$$ into education/acquiring/keeping a job...and not even a fraction of that into relationships and wonder why they fail.
No one just shows up to a hospital saying they’d like to be a Dr after watching a few medical shows...but people do that very thing with relationships!! It’s insanity...and we should NOT be surprised at how horribly and often they fail!!!
We are ill prepared.
One thing to bear in mind is that these are always averages over thousands or tens of thousands of people. Averages by their very nature gloss over tremendous variability (think of the bell curve). The fact that one marital status does marginally better on some measure than another marital status tells you absolutely NOTHING about how you, as an individual, will feel or function. Averages gloss over everything; they are a massive over-simplification; they collapse tremendous variability into a single number; they ignore a large range of confounds.
Of course, you need averages to run simple correlational stats like these are based on (easy research for the publish and perish community). But don't think they're telling you anything about your fate as an individual.
It might be somewhat different, if the absolute magnitude of the differences were large, but they're not. When you look at the studies, we're typically talking about small average differences between groups, which are found to be statistically significant because of the large sample sizes. Then they get headlines and people get excited. But if you look at the actual differences, they aren't anything to get worked up over, especially when you consider that they are just averages and gloss over tremendous variability.
Ed A
Love your comments!!!!
So on target.
I’ve complained about this in statistics in regards to medicine. I’ve often felt no real, true conclusion can be ascertained...because there are way too many variables, individuality, etc.
People like data, numbers, something to cling on to...as life is rife with uncertainty. It’s a way of seeking guarantees and answers, to feel better.
@@Alphacentauri819 Right, they use it as a way to validate their own choices and feel better about themselves. Example: "This study showed married people are happier than single people. I'm married, so I made the right choice! Single people are losers. My life is better than theirs."
It's kind of stupid, but that's human nature for you. We want to feel good about ourselves and have our worldview and choices confirmed.
This may be the only rational comment on this video.
No-fault divorce ruined marriage. Why would anyone enter a contract that can be broken for any reason with no penalty?
I totally agree with this.
It's worse than that
One person can break the contract for no reason and the other person has to pay for it
Corelation not causation.
@M Z I think you are missing a citation there. There may be a geographical example that meets that description but if you go back in history divorce was very difficult/impossible. See Henry VIII seperation of England from the Catholic church.
@M Z no death penalty for divorce would be reasonable...
I mean, at the very least we get the separation either way...
Have been MGTOW for a long time. Didn't even know other guys were thinking the same way. Think I'll get a bunch of cats, why should all those crazy cat ladies have all the fun .
im mgtow and i have 2 inside cats that put a smile on my face every day just from their trying to show affection and wanting to always be near me. Both of them come to me occasionally and put their paws on my chest and lay their head down. . people think only dogs can be loyal and loving. people think cats are sociopathic self absorbed, but they're getting them mixed up with women.
Cats are even worse! Become the crazy dog man! Dogs are your bros for life
@@johnnynesbit8289 I was with you until that last line. By the way, research shows there are more men than women who are sociopaths and psychopaths. More women than men have borderline personality disorder, and more men than women have antisocial personality disorder, for example. I also think it is wrong to insinuate women in general are sociopaths. Think about ALL the women you have interacted with and ask yourself if that is really true.
These animals smell and mess up the house. Stay alone.
Been Mgtow 2 years. Best years of my life. You couldn’t pay me to go back...
I've been for 1.5 years now.. I hope within at least 2 years my life will no longer require it though. I agree with dr Grande that it's not a long-term strategy unless u wanna be like Socrates..
2 years me after my wife died. I never want to touch a woman again.
I cant risk losing a loved one again.
K virgin
@Somar Chimon Stfu
@Somar Chimon I think a woman can absolutely become enlightened (red pilled) and realize that most of these social norms are not to benefit the individual but society and government at the expense of the individual. Live your life for yourself.
No matter what anybody says, MGTOW is simply common sense, self love, self respect, and self preservation.
@@MageOfTokyo the marriage laws and court practice are extremist nonsence.
@Brian Babin exactly. to add to that I grew up neglected and poor. i didn't go to many school trips going outside the country or couldn't even enjoy or try dating much when younger because of no money, also didn't do any activities outside of it because that would cost money... now I work, have my own car, amazing PC, play squash and afford gear for it, got my gym membership, can eat better than malnourished upbringing, can go here and there for a vacation and pay for attractions, save money etc.
I'm just average making 60-75k a year. I cannot imagine myself providing for another woman or a baby... I have only this one life to enjoy my first 20 years were fking sad and couldn't enjoy that much, poverty, parents divorce and trauma from that, peer and social pressures, a bit of drug addiction etc. so now I want to enjoy myself, probably for the rest of my life, i love my alone time, not answering or considering anyone in my choices, i really can't give a single f to be someone's personal provider, protector, jester and therapist. it's not in me.
@@kubasniak glade i am not the only one .
exactly: if the game is using a parachute that 80% of the times fails to open up, well... better not to play if you have common sense. If someone feels very lucky and likes the danger and adrenaline rush of a marriage, go for it: if the parachute will not open up you did know it was a possibility. MGTOW men are men with common sense and realistic expectations, any men like that will not play a game in which 80% he'll lose everything.
@@MageOfTokyo its not resentment, ots indifference, I dont need them in my life.
I'm really annoyed that the MGTOW dudes have showed up and politicized my hermiting. I miss the good old says when being anti-social wasn't an intentional social commentary.
Ha!
Right, that is annoying...a cantankerous curmudgeon wouldn't deign to stoop to a "social stance".
hahaha true.
Preach brother!
I'm not even a hermit!
I'm more akin to an radioactive fungus growing out of a giant turd a visiting alien dumped in the woods.
Same here. I was MGTOW before it became a thing, mostly because I’m introverted and hate emotional people and all the drama and bullshit that comes with a relationship. It is amusing though how it grew into some weird social movement.
I don't call lifetime alimony and possibly 20 years of child support as "transient" happenstances to men due to divorce. This holds epically true to men later in life 50's + who divorce who don't have the health and time to recover from divorce rape.
NJ Is until 23 if the child is in college. And if there’re Learning disabilities it is open ended.
" transient " ? 🤭🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣
Only 3% of divorce cases have alimony,and typically these alimony cases are short term
@@ms.c6821 evidence for your bullshit assertions?
@@ms.c6821 "Only 3% of divorce cases have alimony,and typically these alimony cases are short term"
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Men don't "feel" the system is against them, they KNOW the system is against them.
Men built the system so that's your problem.
@@qqqhv8777 No it's politician and Feminist who turn the legal system against men.
@@qqqhv8777 Nonsense, feminism wants men to be traditional while they are "modern".
Yes, but, most people don't understand why. Bottom line: it makes the government money and increases their power.
That's why the government adopted feminism so quickly (relative to most societal changes) They doubled the tax base practically overnight. And the divorce laws give them even more power and money. The lawyers get paid..and taxed. The court personnel get paid and taxed, the court gets fees for filing and court costs. The government even makes money if the man can't pay the child support and gets prison for it. (it has happened)
The government has a massive conflict of interest in this.
@@Wastelandman7000 Truth!
Been MGTOW for 13 years now. There’s things you miss, especially intimacy, but the all of the negatives outweigh whatever good feelings that provides.
What do you think about paying a professional for intimicy?
@@doudou6542 I think you should do whatever you think will make you feel happy in the long-term, as long as you're not hurting other people in the process. Intimacy, though might be misconstrued to just mean getting your dick wet-I meant more the emotional part of a relationship.
Either way, its not any different from a long-term relationship imo, you're paying for services one way or another. I just find the eventual betrayl or detachment too overwhelming for something that i've poured X amount of hours of energy into to just inevitably wither away.
thts what sexdolls are for bro stop chooseing to be alone for 13 years and buy a sexdoll
Feelings guys! Not just pu$$y!
With how screwed up divorce and family courts are these days, I would say MGTOW has good reasons to avoid marriage and having kids.
MGTOW is not for everyone.....but it is definitely for me!......I lead only by example.....I don't preach.....I live according to my own standards......I am Free.
This was very dishonest framing. The short term after divorce is what matters. Not the long term as that is how you react or take responsibility for your situation. You know damn well what men are saying is that the court takes more from them. Not if they recover better afterwords. That is about personal responsibility. So dishonest the way you framed that, but what do we expect when those with PhD's are educated I mean indoctrinated by universities in feminism.
Agreed. It makes no sense whatsoever to have a contract with someone who will get paid (by you, under threat of force by a biased court system) to break that same contract.
@@tinafoster8665 I'm very happy now and free of all the b.s.....i lead myself....anyone who hears my story and learns from my mistakes is better off....i do not follow. I'm free.
@@tinafoster8665 pretty much yes.
@@tinafoster8665 what is your purpose here Tina?
Ive observed that many "relationships" are based mostly on physical attraction and sex,these almost always never last and end in disaster.
Yeah but that’s what they see women for, just for sex. So I see that as their problem.
The difference is... women actually desire relationships for emotional connection.
From a male perspective, maybe physical attraction and sex...is their shallow stopping point. For women, they often will get involved with the sex aspect only because they think it is the door to what they really want...emotional safety and connection.
Give this a thought:
More men, solicit prostitutes, watch porn.
More women, go to therapists.
That, in a nutshell, shows the values in regards to what they deeply desire....and also explains the massive imbalance, resentment and disconnect.
@@Alphacentauri819 You are correct to a point. Women used to gatekeep sex in order to leverage commitment from a man. It was a fairly successful strategy and worked for both parties. Unfortunately, the sexual liberation has given men what they want without having to commit. For a lot of guys, "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?" rings true. Women have cheapened themselves to the point where men don't want to pay an exorbitant price (their time/commitment/attention) when they don't get much for it (a non-virgin who isn't traditionally feminine). By trying to empower themselves, all women did was give away their leverage and now have less to bargain with.
Where you are incorrect is saying that men are shallow in relationships because we want/need sex. Sex is not an unimportant and trivial thing to men, it is a physical and mental need to maintain a relationship.
Men bond with a woman primarily through long term sex, not short term. Studies have shown that the more a man has sex with one woman, the more he bonds to that woman. Women however bond strongly the first time they have sex and then the strength of this bonding ability wanes over time with additional partners. It's often referred to as "pair-bonding" and its why men find it important to be with a woman with a low (or no) notch count. There is nothing wrong with this, it is how we are hard wired. We are different, have different needs, and cannot behave the same with regard to sex.
In short: men and women are different and we have different needs within a relationship. Just as emotional connection is important to women, sexual connection is important to men, and neither should be considered trivial.
@@jth_printed_designs so many narratives to address here.
I’ve been in medicine for decades, have worked with thousands of men and women.
If I get a chance to address some of this, I will.
It’s hard for me to put in effort coming up against massive biases and deeply entrenched thought pattens, that develop from subconscious programming.
I agree men and women are different. As far as the motivations you believe, behind certain behaviors, the aspects of distorted beliefs...that it appears you’re trying to oversimplify, when there is much more complexity to address.
From a neuroscience and psychology aspect...unfortunately, too many in these “movements” are applying the “rules” of elementary math, to something like quantum theory. They’re going in pretty blind and ignorant, and believing it to be gospel.
I will tell you. More women than ever are leaving men...and often for other women. It seems safer. Not only emotionally, but otherwise. They don’t have to deal with accusations of being called a gatekeeper, or as if they use sex as transactional (when in reality, it’s usually about self protection...it would behoove you to read “come as you are” to get the actual research on women’s sexuality) ...and they aren’t accused of going for status, or $$. Things feel more accepting and equal.
So, if bonding occurs with sex that a woman had with a man...how about the ones who are bonded just great (often better) to a woman?
Even some heterosexual women report greater grief over friendship breakups, than breakups with a man...so, I’d rethink the over sexualized bonding propaganda there.
Women bond to many people in their life, are very committed without sex. That seems to be a narrative of trying to control, as well as missing much of the neuroscience of connection...
Anyways. If I can I’ll get back about more of the issues you brought up.
The things you’ve bought into are dangerous. I hope you deeply analyze why you think as you do, where you got those beliefs...deep introspection is key.
@@Alphacentauri819 That’s quite the wall of text to barely address one of my points. I don’t want the whole damn paper, give me the abstract.
You're greatly underestimating the negative effects of divorce on men when you brush it off with 'men are more vulnerable to short term consequences of divorce for up to 6 months..'. These effects are both emotional and financial, and can last for many years. Have you looked into statistics of the prevalence of male suicide after divorce? They're staggering, in the past 2 months I've known 2 men in my divorce group who have committed suicide. You are also greatly exaggerating a woman's risk for poverty after a divorce. This is 2019, women are more likely to attend college, and regularly compete w men for the same jobs. This isn't the 1950s where a divorced woman will wind up on the streets.
I'm not buying that "divorce hurts women too" bs. I've never heard of a woman lighting herself on fire outside the family court.
@RJ Militante
This is true.
Nowdays, due to welfare systems and safety nets granted for women in the social services, they will marry the second husband : the state.
Also, we all know the judges are favoring women in court for custody. One more big reason why so many resources are funneled towards these women.
Once she gets a divorce, the state will provide for her, especially if they have a child or more. That's it. Most of the times on the back of husband through forced child support and taxes.
In comparison, men are forced to struggle on their own, which why they end up so crippled and take their own lives.
I suspect the figures indicate she is worse off financially when divorced v married, as she now has to share some of his money with him, rather than control all of it.
Note he says that "women have greater losses in HOUSEHOLD income"... not personal income. And of course she can get by with a lower income since she got a lump sum payment in the form of half her ex-husband's assets.
white men created this system keep that in mind. why did you do it? why?!
I have been MGTOW since 1983. Only drama involved my ex in matters concerning our kids. Now that they are grown, it is peaceful and gratifying to do what I want, when I want and how I want. My ex- , can't make a living and support herself - her problem - I am through !!
People may demonize you for not supporting her but turn it the other way round and the view will easily change
@@politecat9183 -- When we separated, at her request, my youngest was 12 days old. I supported her for 18.5 years while she lived in one of the most expensive areas of California (Coronado). I did it for my kids and then paid for my kids college educations with NO HELP from her. I set my kids up after they graduated college and gave each of them a paid off car. I really don't give a flip how she lives. People who know me, mostly women, tell me I should write a book given what happened between us over those 18.5 years. This debacle cost me over $ 1 million out of pocket and then add on the income taxes on all the money, 100% of medical, dental, vision, orthodontal and visitation costs, college educations, setting up their apartments and giving them paid off cars and my costs approach $ 2 million. I paid 4 figures every month in child support and spousal support for 222 months (18.5 years) and never missed a payment. My ex- tells everyone I never paid her anything and I guess legally she is correct as I had to may the money to the county court in Angleton, Tx.. They forwarded the money onto her and I had the privilege of paying an annual fee to the courthouse for this. Plus, she filed one to three lawsuits every year for more money as Coronado was expensive and she could not manage money. So, yes I did what was legal, moral and ethical. My kids are super and we are close as they know what happened. BUT, I will never do it again.
I tried to get back into the dating game in my late 40's. I came to realize it all boiled down to money. I even had a woman ask me about my income on the 1st date. The Dr. here has very little knowledge of the big picture of MGTOW. Today's man have too many other entertainment options. They can be social without the drama and utter bullshit of the dating game.
Would you be surprised if i told you men ask me the same question multiple times? Even before having a first date?
"What do you do for a living?" "since when are you having that job?" "Does it pay well or not really?"
Then they start to go about my education, "do you have a degree at least?". Once I said I didn't finish highschool but took a vocational course on sth and I was immediately unmatched.
Let's see if you, in your late 40s weren't going on dates with women 20 years younger than you, because if they show interest in you it's not due to your physical attraction or personality, but for money or whatever resources you can provide.
I'm in my early 30s being asked about my income by men in the same age bracket.
You should have focused on younger women or maybe improving your dress and physique. I'm good looking, in shape and only date young women - I quite literally never get asked about money.
If you're not so great in the looks department, dress, style, confidence, directness, being in shape are all things you can control. I'd also recommend leaving the West and going to the third world where decent men are well sought-after.
Well it depends on why someones asking though and how regardless of the age (tho i understand that
Older the people are the reasons for asking abt money can be more superficial
than for sake of financial planning) ...eg.if they only care about
your degree and money for the statuses/luxurys sake then its just superficial and for their own gain..
But if they ask about it and you ask them because you need to raise kids together which is
expensive so both men and women need to plan their
marriage,kids accordingly and decide whether they d be able
to live well and provide for their family i.e each other and kids well then its just smart family planning.cux imagine if
Neither of you know how much you earn and you need to combine finances to put your kids through school,pay for their stuff etc and only after marrying you realize that you didn't calculate any of it and now its barely sustainable despite both sides earning etc.
Obv just because either side doesn't earn enough doesn't mean one needs to leave the
relationship but thy d have to plan accordingly as to how to increase their wealth together so
They don't face problems in future.
Because cost of having a family and still being able to live financially safe life is getting high so its understandable if
both men and women seek financially stable partners
Logically..that doesn't automatically always mean that they are only in it for the money,but it also doesn't mean
They arent asking that superficially so its important to note theres a fine line between reasons of these questions and
Its important to ask and find out about why you both regardless of gender care about each others finances and discuss it, and
If either persons finances wont be enough then how to make up for it so the kids,you and your spouse dont suffer is something to think about too..
Its mostly not always one answer when people ask abt money and degree,its positive/neutral many times but also negative reasons many times..
So whoever wants a healthy relationship will have to learn to differentiate..
Because depending on their ability to differentiate they could be stuck with a superficial person or a person that knows how to plan financially smartly.
Obv tho ppl who dont want to have a relationship wont have to care..
@@JoBlakeLisbon Pretending that a man in his late 40s is going to get girls, younger, or even his age God forbid, with his looks is ridiculous. Looks are always welcomed but get real : men post-30s and especially post-40s flirt with their bank accounts and social prestige, not with looks. Exceptions of extremely good looking 40somethings are in the 0,1%, it is ridiculous to even mention it.
money, height, the fact you're a chad or not... the Dr. knows nothing of what evil modern women are, especially on social media and meeting apps like tinder. I think anyone should study very well a matter before exposing conclusions like that.
If someone said that there is a 50% chance that my brakes on my car will fail I wouldn't drive my car
Hopefully they're brakes.
I really like this one.
If you never change you brake pads, or fluid or your rotors are bad, the likelihood certainly goes up. Just as an automobile is intricate and has many parts and components, so does a relationship and they both constantly need maintenance/ love to keep them going
@@zerg57
Since people like you love to poke holes on simple analogy on why marriage sucks how about this
Business deal.
Business A foot 70% of operating cost, business B 30%
Profit are shared equally while deal is effective. In the event of dissolution of the deal both business share 50-50 of liquidated asset.
Would you still sign that deal?
Let me ask you this.
What benefit is there for men in marriage that would justify the cost and risk it brings? Think before you answer.
Exactly.
Date a narc for two years you’ll want to go the MGTOW route.
Or date a borderline for two months...
Done.
I dated a covert narc 1 1/2 year and having problem believing anything more horrendous than that.
After researching cluster b’s mine was definitely a covert narc..so good she should get an Emmy.
Somebody else wrote this in a thread some years ago and nailed it... "
First of all you can't
forgive someone that didn't doesn't and never will exist. The narcissist is the
invisible person. They got the false self the so called hidden away real self
and another million characters and actors going on inside that even the narcissist
doesn't have the self awareness to differentiate who's who anymore. All these
millions of characters have meshed together and the narcissist is simply just
one crazy lunatic that doesn't have any true purpose in life so they have to go
out there way to find people that will communicate with them in order to feel a
existence. They maintain a normal character to most people were most people
even like them in most cases. The narcissist usually shows there nasty side to
family members and romantic partners because they are the ones that are
attached to the narcissist in a different kind of way. You see when it's family
or a romantic partner we are a lot more forgiving and that's the reason why the
narcissist takes advantage of us. The narcissist knows if they treat anyone
else the way they treat their family or romantic partner that person very
quickly will tell the narcissist never to contact them again because they don't
have the same kind of bond with the narcissist like family or romantic partner
does. For that reason the narcissist acts like a normal person to these people
as the narcissist needs their attention for narcissistic supply. The narcissist
gets bored very quickly because the human brain is hard wired to seek for
certain things in life like discovering God love care empathy compassion and
true connection with other human beings. The narcissist doesn't have any of
those things so there Life is about running on the hamster wheel 24 hours 7
days a week and 365 days a year. When you find God love and true connection
with human beings you feel a sense of contentment in life. The narcissist
actually doesn't get bored that's what us normal people think but that's not
the case. The narcissist is always on the move and constantly is going from one
situation to another quickly because there brain is seeking that thing which
they also want contentment from but it's not gonna happen. Reason why it's not
gonna happen is because of the narcissists sense of entitlement. The narcissist
sense of entitlement in there messed up head is of the same level of God and
you can't find God if you think you are God. If you can't find God then you
won't find anything hence why the narcissist doesn't have anything inside and
outside as It's just a empty shell. It's hard for empaths to let go of there
narcissist because the empath is a true genuine human being and it's hard for
them to put their selves into the narcissist shoes because it's such a opposite
character of the empath that the empath finds it difficult to accept that
someone can be that fake and to such extreme. I'm afraid it's all true though.
The narcissist was fake!. You saw there physical body so you think no there
must be someone there that is true even if it's just a little bit. No there's
no one there and you also are no one to the narcissist! You never was and never
will be. You was just a toy and you got played. If you think the narcissist is
human and you meant something to them do you really believe they can discard
you the way they did?. Can you the empath discard someone like the way they did
after making such promises? No!. you don't need to forgive the narcissist and
you don't need to forgive yourself. You got to intellectually psychologically
and emotionally understand and eventually accept you got tricked and there was
no way of avoiding this!. However from now on you can be on your guard with
future people in your life and try not to allow this to happen again. If it
does then you got to just start over again until you find your true purpose in
life. Hope you're all okay and doing well. Me personally my life is completely
messed up in every way possible right now due to narcissistic family members
and my ex narcissistic partner. However that's just something I got to deal
with. Take care everyone and I wish you all peace.👍💕💙💖❤️💚💞💯
I have never seen you once, in the entirety of the existence of your channel, invoke evolutionary psychology, when talking about general mental health or more importantly, the sexes; why is this?
I think he mainly looks at clinical and counseling research literature.
Is there a problem?
Thinking-Ape:
Maybe he's just pretending he has a channel and is really a fake
I'd love to hear a discussion with the Doc and you Stardusk. Just saying.
human psychology between men and women is way more similar than it is different.
Marriage is not marriage. Marriage should be known as Financial Transaction and Funeral with Cake.
A state sponsored contract that allows her to take the kids and the car and the house and boatloads of money. They know this they share it and discuss strategy with other women.
You have been married then?
@@kerryfoster1 if your question is for me, yes. I however, filed for divorce the day after I discovered my ex plan to lie to police and get me arrested. Ive spent the last 18 years raising my 3 sons and dealing with her false accusations. I had to get a protection order against her just a few years ago for violating court orders. Im lucky enough to be at the other end of the spectrum. My pal gave his wife 26 years of dedication and helped her fight through cancer only to have her cheat on him and get hepatitis from her lover. Luckily, my pal didnt catch it from her and he divorced her after she lied to his face about it. Women discuss what they can do to men. Ive witnessed these conversations first hand. Coworkers and friends have been victims of such biased legal system acts and false allegations. All women carry that biased court card in their back pocket and know they can use it and do so. Welcome to 2019. This is the road it has gone down. They wonder where good men are and why they are getting farther away. Benefits do not outweigh the risks. My own mother and sister showed their true nature in trying to help my ex violate court orders. You know, the church going type. They arent setting any higher standards.
No it was for Chainsaw bunny. I've been married twice, Both times everything was split 50/50.....no lawyers taking sides or any nonsense. Never see or hear from my exes.. Glad I'm not in America. Sounds like a madhouse.....
@@kerryfoster1 Glad you made it through but hearing you went through it twice is on target with divorce stats. While a great relationship is a noble concept, finding the ONE is the unicorn hunt. Maybe you may find greater success not marrying your next choice. One doesnt need the marriage in place to be a good man and good father to children. The very notion if she would force it is the red flag to go the other way. Good luck.
It's not an ideology. It's a lifestyle!
Ay that's facts frfr
You are wrong. MGTOW it's a list of horrible things along with solutions to avoid them
whatever it is... it's good for us, and the feminists can take care of their cats
It's not a lifestyle. It's survival and reality.
It's a philosophy.
Shouldn’t it be considered a sign of mental illness for people to choose to get married when there is a 50% chance of divorce? That sounds like self-harm to me...
QuinMusic I think it depends on there intentions it could be a self harming behavior if the intent is to hurt yourself but I don’t think most people go into marriages with that in mind. Plus the brain tends to tell us we’re special humans often believe they are exception to rule even when they very likely aren’t.
Well, normally in life, you don't get things right the first time around. While we focus on how the numbers of divorce are still high, they are genrally on a decrease. People get married later in life when they have a stronger grasp on what they want from a marriage . In countried like Iran where marriage still has a strong connection to traditions, it's increasing, so while the stats around marriage and divorce aren't proving the effectiveness of a marriage for lifetime, it's all making sense and that people have learned what a sacrifice and risk marriage is.
Songbird Mozlover True. That’s called the optimism bias.
Men staying in marriage and being a slave is another form of illness...
@@corneliahanimann2173 The divorce only drops cos marriage rate drops. Men just become smart just not to wife up with phychos.
When I lost all money, possessions, friends and family, not once did anyone ask me 'how was your love life?'. After that I decided to love myself first before even entertaining the thought of a serious relationship.
I’m female and can say the exact same thing.
Been married twice. Lost everything twice. Marriage is a scam.
i am 15 even i see flaws in your logic, when you get hurt by touching fire do you even think of repeating it(still learning english)
Cap
If I'm going to start an expensive, difficult relationship that will take hours a day to make work for company and my long term happiness and welfare, I'll start a small business.
Just make sure any contracts you sign aren't as one-sided as marriage contracts are.
From what I've seen, the only people who will chase your debts for twenty years and make you miserable are exes and the IRS. If you can't pay the tax bill and stay in business, pay the tax and close down!
Now that bears repeating for those considering marriage. 70-80%. Seventy to eighty percent of people stuck in marriages are UNHAPPY. We're not even talking about those that get divorced. Let that sink in.......................................
Right. It means if you get married, you've got about a 1 in 10 chance of it working out happily. Good luck with that!
And by "people" they mean men.
Dr.Grande is not friend of men.
most guys are stuck because they know if they walk away they lose everything.. caught between a rock and a hard place etc
@@Arven8 I believe with judicious selection you can improve the odds from ~1:10 to say ~3 or4:10...but the chance of premium candidate actually being available is another question.
So rationally speaking marriage is a very hard sell to guys...then on its very probable demise, it's the dungeon of medieval torture for men.
MEN------ALWAYS PUT YOURSELF FIRST---------NEVER EVER ANY WOMEN!!!!!!
Josip gossip
@@nunyadamnbidness2531
Yo pimp. You owe me de money, yo , I ain't playin neither. Yo, I sent you out and shhtt
Josip gossip
Josip Stabu:
Hey, Just get a man for yourself.
Like as if you will not blame him also and then he will be
your b-tch.
AND this would be DIFFERENT from every marriage in history HOW??? What an idiot JOKE YOU ARE!
From my interaction with the more typical "moderate MGTOW," the actual attitude isn't that "all women are like that." It's that it's impossible to tell which woman will turn on her man when things get hard (in other words, is "like that"). The decision, despite being counter to our human nature to reproduce, to "go MGTOW" is based on this factor more than others.
When one adds up the factors, it's not difficult to see what these MGTOW are saying, that "the juice isn't worth the squeeze." I'm 70, and women's attitudes these days are typically different than from my day. I honestly don't blame them for fearing entangling relationships, and given what I've observed, would likely have gone the same route.
As far as I can see, this was your only glaring error of fact. The rationale behind the decision of the more typical "moderate MGTOW." When the odds are not favorable, it's not irrational to take precautions against catastrophic failure. When the precautions are statistically ineffective, it's not irrational to withdraw from the event leading to the failure.
Long-term, nobody's really studied the effects of going MGTOW on these men. Do these men remain as MGTOW? How well do they actually adjust to this life? As this ideology becomes more widespread, it would be a worthy subject of study, although I doubt if I did a follow up and tried to publish my findings that it would pass peer review; I'm a historian, not a psychologist. Obviously, not my field.
Have a nice day, and a better one tomorrow. :-)
@Daniel H.
Thank you, sir.
:-)
in mgtow its not that i fear its that i am not gambler or naive
Nice point clearly made 👏👏👏👏👏
Yep. Not every woman will destroy your life. But every woman CAN destroy your life, and do it quite easily if she chooses. It's like playing Russian roulette with 5 rounds in the cylinder. 3 rounds are getting wrecked in divorce, 2 rounds are the marriage not ending, with the man completely miserable and emasculated. The one empty chamber represents the approximately 1 in 6 chance a man has of his marriage not only lasting, but being happy and fulfilling these days.
It's impossible to know which women are goodwife material, because the 97% who aren't wife material are masters of faking it until they get a ring.
If the divorce rate in America is over 50 percent and if women initiate 70 percent of all divorces, wouldn’t it be smart to just remain single?
Given the gynocentric misandry in western culture, no man should take this risk. In fact, being red pilled, will save lives.
It takes lives too judging from how some incels behave.
Blork Povud an Incel is a male who can not find love, mtgow is about self realization. Many shooters are the product of single mother households - go figure
@@blorkpovud1576 No man is an incel with $200 in his pocket.
@@Marcara081 oh yeah... Um... I can't deny that 😳
Marriage is slavery made to apear civilized -Albert Einstein
Not for nothing he was called a genius!
@@tinafoster8665 If you think something works for you why can't you recommend it to other men who may be interested, though?
The anti-male bias in divorce court was worse in the past but it's still bad. Fathers get custody about 17% of the time and more often than not they're treated like nothing more than an ATM machine.
And did 100% of the men want custody? Here is an article with some factors that may come into play besides bias against men. One significant one: "In 51 percent of custody cases, both parents agreed -- on their own -- that mom become the custodial parent." www.huffpost.com/entry/dispelling-the-myth-of-ge_b_1617115
Divorce is often a lot less devastating than abusive marriages. It's often wonderful.
Q: Why is divorce expensive?
A: Because it's worth it.
I'm MGTOW didn't know I was till a couple of years ago when I first heard the term but have been this way most my life
@@身赤-w3w keep thinking that fool I get hit on every week several times I have what these worthless thots want money house nice rides I laugh at them and give them nothing which makes them want me more
Daniel H. I’m 44 and knew that at 10 yrs old. No kids, never married. I’m a loner, not lonely either. I’m a Union electrician that enjoys the feeling of a true retirement when the time comes...Keeping both retirement funds and ain’t never giving that up to some mediocre stank hole
Good deal.
Same here. I have had my emotions toyed with to many times.
@Pablo L. Yes sir
I had no idea MGTOW was even a thing until a few years ago. Thank you, interwebs. Funny thing is, I had come to many of the same conclusions about women, dating, and marriage years before. I just did not, and still do not, find it necessary to identify as MGTOW or to try and convert anyone, or to even talk shit about women in general.
I still like women and find many of them attractive. But I have found, after years of experience, that perusing them is just not worth the grief. I have found it is a stupid amount of work and what I have mostly gotten for my trouble is pain and suffering. It just doesn’t pencil out.
So, no wife, no kids, no mortgage, no divorce, no spousal or child support, no debt. Counting my blessings . . .
No Wife...No Strife
The interesting thing about your assumption, is that you can do it right and stay married to be happy, unfortunately, thats for the other party to decide what's right, you could be Jesus, ghandi, Mandela rolled in one, someone else decide whether that is good enough for you married to succeed, ie ,Will smith, your effort simply doesn't matter .
I agree there is no reason to feel negatively about women and try to push MGTOW on others. I'm in the same boat as you and quite happy.
@@TheTrevelyansway I feel like that general attitude of we're talking about is what paints mgtow in a bad light, the movement itself is not bad in fact is quite optimal and overly simple really, but I'v gone into the official site and the now dead subreddit people there seemed so broken, so full of hatred for women when the purpose of this is to merely avoid them.
I sometimes wonder, do they really want to be alone or are they bitter because of their past experiences
Yeah, you are 'Spot-on' ( 100% accurate ) with your description of moderate MGTOW guys.
Going MGTOW is not an easy thing, a guy loses a lot of positives in life by going MGTOW, but the losses are necessary since the risks of NOT going MGTOW have become too high with today's legal climate.
@@user8392-m8b Ok lady, can stop using your man's account to comment..
@@user8392-m8b Can you please for the sake of all good men out there to cook your husband some dinner and stop blabbling your shit on youtube. You don't have to watch the video if you don't like it.
What he's calling moderate is called level 1 by mghows
The incentive for women to not cheat, or to try to not get a divorce, or to have decency with their husband no longer exists.
Fact.
As Andy Green perceptively observed, marriage is only positive for 10% of people who try it (50% who stay married times 20% who say they're happily married). This was the elephant in the room that the good doctor simply glossed over in his agenda to support marriage. There is absolutely no reason to introduce this legal contract supported by the full power of the state into any relationship, unless you're the party with lesser income capability. Given judicial prejudices, particularly in blue states, it also helps if you're a woman. As a wiser man once observed, "If you're lonely being alone, you're in bad company." Work on yourself.
Well said. I wonder how many people get married just because they don't like their own company.
I'm not miserable anymore.... I was miserable for 10 years....i don't have to explain myself every 10 minutes.. no jealous freak checking my phone ...im done with them all
Did you give the jealous freak reason to check your phone? Not even once?
@@smartin8247 nope ..
@Ordinary Sessel the women birth and raise those farmers/policemen/builders/electricity/sanitation. plus they look after the unders 5s so there husbands can do those jobs. they also feed babies with there breast. for now farmers/policemen/builders/ electricity/ sanitation are mostly men but who knows in the future when less people are having kids & more husbands are now helping out with children more then they ever had, theres a big chance those jobs will be mixed one day.
@Ordinary Sessel ( sorry but i dont know if this point is a redpill one) but ive seen alot of people complaining about both parents have to work now days they think that maybe the reason why the recent generation doesn't have much social skills and is more sensitive but if women or even men decided to do that alot of people would say they are depending on the one working who is working, when the other person whomever it is who decided to be a home marker would also be judge as " making the world worst off" even tho the next generation of people has alot to do with what the world will be like. sorry for the confusing writing mistakes im very very sleepy
@@namelesssmile5920 The equality paradox. The more equal a society becomes the more likely women are to choose traditionally feminine jobs, so that is unlikely to happen.
I’m an adult female in my mid-30s and I don’t see myself dating at all in the future. I love my life and can’t see how adding a partner would improve it to any degree that it’s worth changing how my current way of living is. I still love to hear about great love stories and people who actually are faithful and loyal, but this world is so messed up and I think that those traits are now a rarity.
Have you ever heard about spferes theory? Is a theory known as the Harmony of the Spheres. Try to be open and receptive, if you will be lucky to meet your ''other half''; everybody deserve to be loved and to offer love... Best wishes!
gomo Gomez yes, I’ve been in therapy about the issue as well but I just can’t make the shift. My mindset on intimate relationships is it’s basically not worth it. Perhaps it will change one day. And I have to say I am the happiest I’ve ever been at this time of my life. I have wonderful friends, two dogs, my family.
Calico 123 Linus:
I like that as you are not looking for a partner at this time but you see the fact that those people are hard to come by. I agree
I feel you, I'm desperately looking for a women who is always honest and can handle my blunt honesty. I look at it as I need another person's perspective because I can only see so much through my perception. Honesty is hard to find these days.
Cool. I'm in the same boat, although I'm a guy in my 50's. I haven't dated in 10 years and haven't missed it. I'll check dating websites occasionally, but after a day or two, I just lose interest. It just doesn't seem worth the effort and all the trade-offs. I'm better off single. Check out Bella DePaulo's work, if you haven't already. She was very helpful to me, early on, in overcoming a lot of the misinformation and stigma about singlehood. Good luck!
This is the first bad advice I have gotten from you. You said that women's household income lowers but not her personal income after divorce. Interesting use of words. If getting married has a chance to make me lose half of my belongings, then on top of that having to pay my spouse for years afterwards to punish me, then I would have to be dumb to go through with it. Bad advice indeed.
How is loosing half my 401k and retirement, and the house I owned before marriage a short term 6 month set back. Alimony is for life, child support is for 20 years.
You only lost half your 401k? My brother had his wife empty his and take it to the casino before he knew what happened.
During a recent family get-together, I had a married distant relative try to "shametalk" me for a couple of minutes into getting married while his wife was there.
I politely asked him when was the last time he was able to keep a whole paycheck for himself, after taking out half of the household expenses. He got pissed at me for asking him a personal question.
LOL! He was virtue signaling to his wife, silly! You needed talk to him when his wife was out of the room. LOL! Then he would tell you what he really thinks, hehe!
@@shanedepriest1847 He was trying to earn brownie points with his "cupcake". There, I fixed that for ya.
I bet his wife was even madder.
Ask him how many months since he's had sex.... (with is wife). Marriage keeps prostitution alive.
nobody gives a fuc* of unrequested advices, let they stay in marriage and feel superior, then when divorce will hit they'll realize how fool they are
Would you sign a mortgage contract if the bank could take your home away at any time, even if you’re doing your part by paying?
Didn’t think so.
That would be called eminent domain
@@ms.c6821 does eminent domain happen 50% of the time for everyone who buys a house?
what are the odds? 😁
@@uncletimo6059 the point is the answer is yes,it is called eminent domain. I was answering the original question. Now you are trying to change the topic.
@@ms.c6821 When are you planning on divorcing this husband? I bet you dollars to doughnuts you will.
@@ryanisbelle6107 well considering I have been married 20 years at this point and have been married since I was a teenager,it probably will not happen. We already overcame all the big statistics having to do with marrying too young and the first 7 years of marriage. Now, we will be empty nesters here in the next 7 years so that statistically is an issue for couples but we have been through sickness,health,job loss,etc and it has not broken us yet
I'm simply a confirmed bachelor. While I had my own pain, I saw it in almost every friend I knew in high school by the time they were 30. I never remarried. I did *suffer* for 12 years. And then, once my daughter was 18, I *continued* to suffer every other holiday until my 3.5 hours of the day before christmas eve finally became unbearable and I stopped celebrating christmas. That reducded the pain. We have a good relationship- I'll have my grandkids over for 4 days next weekend. But the pain never completely ends. And I was one of the lucky ones.
Women initiate between 70 and 80 percent of divorces. They usually get custody. They usually get child support without any auditing. They usually get full control of the children with plenty of time to break their emotional connection to you (including by scheduling events for the child on the guys time so the guy is the bad person, talking bad about the dad, and having a series of uncles and temporary dads who may *spank* them when you would never do so yourself). They *eventually* do worse, but often they do just fine until they are closing on 40 and lose their looks.
To me, the MGTow guys are no more a movement or ideology than "taking your hand off a hot stove", "avoid people who hurt you", "get inside out of the rain", "putting on a hat to protect yourself from the sun" is a movement.
I suspect that most of us no longer celebrate holidays. Throwing the decorations in the garbage was actually a very pleasant experience for me. :)
Counciling? Stop the simping, marriage counciling is totally gynocrntric. Every man I ever talked to about counciling said the same thing...
"I was attached and blamed for everything she did, then I had to pay for it."
Glasshopper that’s blue pill conditioning, at that point pull the plug and wake the fuck up!
Totally agree with you, but in docs defense he's referring to pre-marriage counseling. And we all know people change after marriage.
The simp sense is strong
Yes that is a scam.
First of all.... counseling.
Feminists are digging their own graves. They're on their way to becoming old, wrinkled cat ladies. GOTTA LOVE IT!
WesMan O.P.P. Old, poor and powerless...amen
The wall is undefeated
WesMan with lots of debt to pay for the idiot degrees they got.
government will make you pay for those old women so nice try
Beautiful to watch
I am 75 and been divorced for 22 years. I have bought and paid for 3 homes and lost 2 to ex-wives. I embraced the MGTOW philosophy, moved 1200 miles away and now live in my third home. I am very happy, I do have a couple of women I see on occasion for dinner or a show and one wants to get married but that will never happen. I am tired of giving away half of everything I have every 10 to 20 years.
I'm single, now 4 many years. Happy, not lonely, not depressed, so trying 2 paint MGTOW men as at risk 4 those problems, I do not agree . Your statement "men are not harmed in long term" during divorce is just not factual.
Men Grabbed Their Own Wallets.
Nick Cavalletti simple as that
So weird. Most the women I know make more money than their partners. Also, one of my best friends...gave the house she paid 90% for, to her ex and everything in it. She pays child support, despite how often she sees her child.
She then bought a new house for herself. No help from the ex at all. It was all her.
When my daughter’s dad bailed, I didn’t take him to court. I let him determine how much time he’d spend with his child and how much $$ for child support. He rarely saw her and paid way less than the courts would’ve made him. I had to work xtra to provide for her to do things like swimming lessons etc, but I did it. I wish I’d had more help, but I can look back and know I had integrity. I wouldn’t let his flaky behavior determine how I’d be. I provided every opportunity for him to have a relationship and didn’t do anything shady at all. I can look back at that time and am proud.
In addition, I’ve gone on 6 online dates. I paid for all but 2. Of those two, one guy bought the pizza and I got the beer. The one guy who paid the full thing, insisted quite fervently. The dates all ended in a hug.
I have an ex begging to get back together with me. He owns companies in the US and Europe. His original company is worth millions. He just sent a pic of the Lamborghini he just bought. He’s a guy who’d said years ago he’d buy me a Mercedes if I’d move to AZ to be with him. Nope, can’t be bought.
This belief that all women are money hungry is false. Sure, there are some women like that...but there are far more that don’t want a guy for just that at all. Many don’t care if they make more $$ than the guy.
I’ve met some total creeps, some total douches, some total narcissists, perverts...and so on. Some of those men are manipulative, users too. Does that mean all are? Nope.
As long as you keep repeating your fear based narratives...your cognitive bias will grow stronger and all you’ll see is evidence to support it.
I have no desire to get married..and I know plenty of other females like that too. I have no desire to share a bank account...and I know plenty of other females like that too.
I don’t want to be trapped/suffocated by some guy in my space all the time. I’d love a partner to be myself with, enjoy some realms of life with, etc... I like a healthy combo of closeness and space
Mêlée Placid u know the best women there are
@@Alphacentauri819
Isolated, anecdotal, few and far between examples. The statistics clearly show that men lose most of the time in divorce court. The woman gets the kids, the house, child support, and depending on the state alimony as well. The man has to start over living in an efficiency apartment. This is what happens far more often than not.
Ezekiel Watters yeah and the statistics are results from all the stories.
Bear in mind, that the majority of my friends make more$$ than their partners...so they’d be in the same boat too.
I do think many men have taken a hit in divorce. It’s def not always fair.
Due to men historically being providers..the system was developed to keep women from becoming destitute after.
I’ve known of women who didn’t receive help, ending up in homeless shelters and/or in very bad situations...even desperate enough to jump into a new relationship with a guy who would help pay for food and rent.
Those situations expose children to less than ideal issues and risks.
So there’s that side to consider. If a woman had no job training, skills prior..for her up get a job and afford childcare, on her own is hard.
I think the system needs to change... what do you propose?
Go ahead, Grande, and get married. You deserve it.
He’s looking up there in years, not married yet? Should get himself a young wife then. lol
@@xxviixxvii5585 He is married for over 25 years and has 3 children.
@@caroll7574 I think someone as Grande would know how to navigate challenges. He's in a position to make it work. Good for people if that's the case
@@DennisNeijmeijer For real! And I guarantee his wife saw him study thousands of hours of serial killers and she probably wants to live
@@joemtari Haha yeah the threat of death really helps to keep the relationship alive.
The problem with single people suffering with depression, is my depression & anxiety both became really bad during my marriage.
It was also really disappointing to see members of my family sympathizing with my ex more than me. (disappointing, but not surprising)
Good on your family.
I don't know any men who call themselves MGTOW, but I know 6 good looking, athletic, educated, very pleasant guys between 34 and 43 who are living like moderate MGTOWs. Something is going on out there. In my generation high quality men like these would all be married.
Their taxes are just paying for other peoples children. I’m fine with that
there not exist any moderate MGTOW: you're MGTOW or not, that's it
They aren't high quality.
@@SirenaSpades Yes they are
never heard of this MGTOW "philosophy" and yet I've chosen to live as a single man who hasn't dated since 1986 HAHA..that's a while..I didnt' set out that way..had long term girl friends from the age of 14 until my marriage when I was about 25? or so..but it only lasted 4 years with no children and no property. Had a few live in girl friends over the next 10 years or so with mixed results, but no one that I wanted to marry. And somewhere along the line I just decided to stop looking. I don't recall a moment I made that decision..i just kinda moved into that direction. I recently fell crazy in love with a woman at work, but soon decided thanks in some part to Dr Grande and others that she was far too much a Narcissist for me..and she wasn't loving me..she was just skilled at "super charming" and manipulating people..me and everybody else..So forget that. I wouldn't tell other men to do what I've done..I always wanted to be married..I just didn't succeed and didn't find someone I loved enough to try it again. And I don't think I mind the idea of "giving more than I get"..but we're not living in the 1950's when almost everyone was married and stayed married..and seemed OK with it..So its different now..I'd say be careful about marriage, but for sure do it if you love them and they you.
Your MGTOW sir check out our philosophy
You sir, are a Mgtow.
avoid those mgtow guys, lots of them are nutters, some advocate the use them and lose them philosophy. and a lot of anti-woman echo chamber type stuff. grats on avoiding a narcissist. real love or bust.
@Pos dem why are you so scared that men are talking about it to other men?. no more petwallet?. no more men on a leash?.
Good for ya
I hate this notion of "maintain communication", what if your partner communicates in lies? Congruence is FAR more important than communication. Be who you say you are, say what you mean, and mean what you say. You're communicating all the time, if your words don't match your physiology your partner will know and that will communicate far more to them than what you say.
It's not "that" you're communicating. It's "what" you're communicating. If your wife doesn't talk to you for long stretches, or spends more time with her friends/family, she's communicating.
Definitely taken myself out of the "game"... I consider myself VERY lucky that the government and a truckload of attorneys have NOT been able to harm me over 40 active years. Quitting while I am ahead
Man you have dodge the bullet!!!
😂😂
What a load of crap, analyzing long term outcomes without taking into consideration how those outcomes were achieved is logical? Yes mens suffering after divorce is transient, after time they will rebuild themselves economically just like they did to make themselves a suitable partner in the first place. If you lend your friend money and he kicks you in the nuts for it, just because over time the pain leaves and you make more money, does not mean you are not being logical for not lending him money again.
So 50% of marriages end up in divorce and 80% of people married are unhappy with their relationship... Sure sounds like a plan getting married.
You are dead wrong about mens loss of assets in a divorce and continued loss of assets. Child support, alimony, loss of real estate. The first 2 are financial crippling the 3rd is a major transfer of wealth and asset.
I have no bitterness towards women I just like being single
For them it's violence against them
22 years married, worked hard, didn't cheat, didn't abuse, didn't take drugs/get drunk. Supported my family the whole time, the good guy. She decided to divorce. Lost my house, broke up the kids, lost a load of cash AND a portion of MY pension. Marriage to too hazardous for men and it's best avoided.
*Bottom line: Don't dictate males how to live and shame them if they don't do it the same as you do. It won't go well for you.*
Yes, the horror of males crying on the internet and making up stories to support their narratives.
What ever will we do
@@blindeagleace3629 *Fuck around and find out, birdie.*
@@user-ko5ul7yi1x
Oh no, the big bad MGTOW Simpson character just roasted me in the youtube comment section.
Truly the consequences of my actions.
It's definitely not going well for me. What ever will I do.
Once I saw a married guy that was falsely accused of being the father of his wife's child. He signed as the father of the child, but soon enough he suspected he wasn't the father. He did the DNA and petitioned for his fatherhood to be denied. It took 5 years for it to be denied, and he had to pay 39% of his salary for all that time, while also being divorce raped. He was depressed and thought about suicide for all this time, and everything his ex could think was taking away more of his money. I know the truth about women.
Yes, this is the fault of all women...
So what this one woman did accounts for 3 billion women.
Makes perfect sense, you idiot.
Divorce raped? now that's an unhinged term if I ever heard one
What is unhinged is the fact that the term came about due to the absolute raping the average guy goes through in an average, no fault divorce. Even if the wife has an affair and blows up the marriage, she still gets at least half of the assets (most of which came about from no effort of hers), custody of the kids (wait, I guess I did see them every other weekend and every other holiday), child support money that rarely goes to the kids (my support went for such legit expenses as Botox treatments, and a vacation with her newest boyfriend). Yeah- I’d say divorce rape is a pretty spot on term…..
Right, so every single women now is at fault because of this one woman... when actually it was the man's OWN fault for not insisting on the DNA test first. And then it was the court's fault because that is a complete bureaucracy, government BS. But no, your silly self decides to blame all the women of the world. lol
MGTOW is doing women a favor by helping them be strong and independent. It also protects them from my money. On a personal note it also means that I will never go to family court again.
This topic needs to be revisited again. Especially in this post Pandemic era.
But by someone who knows what he's talking about.
Men Guarding Their Own Wallets - No commitment, no contract, no cohabitation, no children (Monk mode adds no contact)
Feminists don't speak for all of us, in fact the man-shaming that is so lauded by society upsets me deeply-and I'm not even a dude. Men should be able to be their masculine selves without being accused of being toxic or treated unfairly. I try to be kind to everyone eaually regardless of gender, so I feel sad that there's such a movement built around the idea that because I was born female, naturally I'm horrendous and to be avoided at all costs. But after clearly seeing how men are scapegoated and discriminated against over everything now, I can't really say I blame them. So on behalf of my gender, I'm very sorry for the abhorrent behaviors and infectious pontifications of toxic femininity.
feminism wasnt ever abaut anyone being happy, yust look at feminist children book it literaly teaches kids how to be undesirable to adults
Males we're so great women decided they'd rather get an education and a job instead of an angry turd that wishes he were king.
I am 53 and MGTOW for 4 years , I wish MGTOW was known when i was 16, it would of changed everything for me .
I had never heard of MGTOW until a couple of years ago and I don't really call myself that but I have been single for the whole of my life and I am 71. Perfectly happy.
Why does everything have to labelled. What wrong with a guy coming out of a messy long term relationship and wanting to not go through that and decides to not have another relationship.
I see nothing wrong with this. I do however see something wrong with men automatically being labelled a women hater for not wanting relationships and being labelled but when it comes to women going it alone it's like more power to ya.
Makes no sense 🤣
I personally love my own company and pondering and making my own way in life. Being peaceful and content
There is nothing wrong with it. A lot of guys have been hurt. Badly. But, once the hurt wears off and the logic kicks in going your ow way is the most sensible thing to do.
It's been my observation over the years that when women start to pinpoint and ridicule a popular male characteristic or trend that effects them, it is a cover for their being offended. It takes an honest and forthright woman (like my wife) to respond honestly that they are offended or concerned about something regarding men in general. The rest of them, IMO, are simply insecure and worried about leaving themselves emotionally vulnerable.
@@cliffordbodine5834 interesting points. This is applicable regardless of sex and/or gender. Well thought,. Sir.
I've seen the subreddit and so much of it turns into bitter hatred for women
@@thingonometry-1460 How much of it turns into bitter hatred for women?
My brother went thru an absolutely horrible divorce and seven plus years later his wife still tries to make his life miserable by dragging him into court every six months. His experience turned me mgtow. I'm content and live a simple life now.
Let’s do 2 simple things as a society.
1. Enact laws that mandate a Legal Presumption of 50/50 custody for fit parents.
2. Abolish alimony
Watch the divorce rate plummet. Now she doesn’t get that golden parachute so maybe her husband isn’t such a bad guy after all.
Nearly half the states have 50/50 as the default. Only 3% of divorce cases have alimony attached to them.
My sister divorced her husband who was a SAHD to their son and she had to pay him alimony because he was not working outside the home when they divorced. If a man divorces his wife who is a SAHM or homemaker, and if she does not want to get divorced, he should have to pay her. He is the one breaking up their marriage and causing trauma to her and the kids.
@@stefaniemedina14 why?
Why pay another adult?
@@davidregi7571 it is the law here in Illinois where I live. Its not ethical to let a man or woman divorce their dependance spouse and leave them with no resources, as well as the impact of abandoning their children.
@@ms.c6821 - LIAR! Every divorce in every state has alimony of some kind attached to it.
Dr. Grande...
1- Are you married or in a relationship with a female?
2- Have you ever been divorced?
... Understanding a potential bias would help
I don't like being labelled but call it what you want. I like silence, financial stability and peace of mind.
Doc, I don't think you have a full grasp on MGTOW. It's not just about avoiding women, it's also about bettering yourself, taking time to become the best person you can, which IS a benefit. Also, MGTOW asserts the necessity of learning as much as you can about female nature. Then, if you decide reengage with women, you are much more informed and less enamored with the feminine, a more realistic approach.
Learn to bypass the toxic forms of biological/ social conditioning and going your own way is an awesome life decision. It's work and a bit of grieving, then you just get on with living; never been healthier than after making the choice to abandon the romantic relationship.
I know many men, none of whom are extreme in their view or daily life and yet they are avoiding relationships with women. When I asked them if they are MGTOW they have no idea what I mean, so they have not been influenced to behave the way they are by some MGTOW group - they came to this conclusion either from bad experience, or forward thinking in the current political and social Western climate regarding their lack of legal rights versus women and the way society now looks disparagingly upon men and masculinity in general. It's not about avoiding responsibility but protecting their own rights, the same way any woman would want to do if surrounded by men she feels are risky to be with. After seeing what women can get away with doing to men these days, and the way society treats men, including when they try to raise these issues and are shouted down, their only recourse is to either take the risk or else walk away, and the risk is a big one when it can literally ruin a person, etc.
I am a 23 year old man and I never was interested in marriage mostly because I thought it was very restrictive lifestyle. These days I am a bit more positive about marriage though. The divorce rates in my country are pretty low.
@@saisameer8771 Well, good for you. Still, choose wisely because things can still change in your country. Hope for your people's sake it stays the way it is.
Excellent post, I totally agree with you.
It's so weird that you guys are acting like you know what these people are thinking but then basically subscribe your own beliefs on to them. Everything you said is just projection. You don't need a reason to avoid relationships.
Also, a lot of the issues you guys raise are fabricated and hugely exaggerated and basically just boils down to "blame everything on women and society because men shouldn't be held accountable for anything".
Men are essentially held hostage in marriage in it's current form. And his wife holds the key with impunity.
There is no other choice. And it's the right decision based on simple survival cost/benefit analyses.
You forgot to mention the startling suicide rate and homelessness for men after a divorce. Very powerful dissuader if you ask me
bdamonstuff he didn’t forgot he skipped it on purpose because it didn’t fit his agenda
Those guys wouldn't be included in the statistics he's quoting. Out of sight, out of mind.
he didn't forget, he's lying and everybody knows... it's a comedy here
I disagree!! I can't explain it, but once you've gone through hell with a woman, and you get out on your on and discover mgtow, you become perfectly content with being by yourself! There are no feeling of loneliness or depression, and the main thing you feel is the peace and tranquility of not having any drama in your life, and doing what you want to do whenever you want to do it! Been mgtow for years now, and still happier than I've ever been!
You sound so hurt :(
@@toericabaker I'm sorry that you think so!
no sex? either?
@@SinMore We don't need it. That was a weird question
@@AdiRian02 that's great cause women don't want you either
First off, I love all your videos!
That said, I’ll say all the above of your answers are correct, but there is more.
Let’s start at the beginning. I’m 61 and back in my time if a man didn’t marry, he was considered a “confirmed bachelor” or perhaps gay, but whatever the label, he basically went his own way.
There were many reasons for this like he was young and immature, or maybe he saw the whole system as a trap or maybe he didn’t want to follow the marital protocol.
When I was young say in the late 60’s and 70’s, I was (like all young men of the time) sold a bogus bill of goods and that women were sugar, spice and everything nice.
We didn’t know how the “family court system” worked or even that there was a family court system.
We knew of families that were divorcing and its effect on men. My parents also divorced in 1968.
All we knew was that after high school, you went to college, got a job, got married had kids and that house with the white picket fence.
Feminism was a new concept back then and only dealt with inequality, discrimination and wage issues.
Women burnt their bras (that was a great day indeed).
In the work place, women held jobs such as secretaries, keypunch operators (my mom was one for IBM) and lower level jobs or they were stay at home moms.
My mom has always worked as did my dad.
As time went on, we were never taught about how women really were (female nature, hypergamy, and that all women had never ending needs and wants).
As legislation improved the work environment, feminism kept pushing the envelope demanding more and more.
The country was in the grips of the Vietnam war, protesters were everywhere, hippies, drugs and free love ran rampant.
There was no guarantee you could get a girlfriend, wife or love, but it was implied that if you got married, your life was full and both parties got their needs met.
Men and women knew (probably from watching their parents) that each had a specific role in the marriage.
Women typically stayed home, raised kids, cooked, cleaned and had other duties.
Men would work outside the home and be the big “bread winner”.
Meanwhile, feminism grew and grew finding other things to gripe about.
The courts were very liberal and sided with women because it was perceived that since most women stayed at home working with no commercial skills and if they got a divorce, the women were pretty much screwed.
Remember, this was also around the time “no-fault” divorce was a new concept.
either party could petition for a divorce for any reason.
So, alimony was necessary to help compensate women financially. Some women had college educations but not many bak then.
Child support was a given and separation of community property was believed to be in favor of the woman.
The man got totally screwed.
MGTOW was developed by guys that had experienced this disparity, went through divorce and came out the other end with barely the shirt on their backs.
Today, it’s mostly us older guys that have this knowledge to share with the younger guys to provide them with facts to help them make a better informed decision about marriage.
MGTOW is not a hate group, there is no formal structure so there is no president, vice president or treasurer, etc.
As time went on, we learned that marriage was a contract between man, wife and the state and the state was the first party which holds all the power which is why they can involve themselves and appropriate a mans assets leaving him destitute, broken and emotionally distraught.
They never told us young guys any of that when we were growing up.
Basically a woman lived at home until the time she left to get married.
Nobody ever taught us that love is chemically based and driven by our biological need to procreate.
Women became more and more entitled and affirmative action legislation paved the way to provide women and minorities with fairness, dignity and equal pay for equal work and rightfully so.
But things started getting out of control as the feministic machine grew stronger and stronger, and women’s issues expanded.
Fast forward to today. There is no more glass ceiling and women do in fact get paid the same as a man for the same job if they choose to do that same job.
The confusion lies in that if a woman choses a “softer” job like a secretary she would get paid a commensurate salary for such a vocation whereas if a man were a brick mason, he would get paid more for this type of work as the work itself and duties were more physical and harder.
Today there are more and more women that are college educated and in the workplace then men and they are compensated accordingly.
So, is there really a need for alimony in todays society?
So, MGTOW is really only just a symposium for men by men (though there are many women followers-trolls, and even a few female contributors that appear to be anti-feminism).
What men are up in arms about is the unfairness towards men within a marriage, how we’re treated during and after a divorce by the family court system.
The word is simply getting out and until the legal environment changes and treats men fairly, there won’t be any changes anytime soon.
This comment should be pinned at the top.
Cuno Wiederhold I agree sir! I got a lot of pushback from women saying divorce is worse for women financially. I just don’t see it
@@jaredmello That's because women all feel victimized when something doesn't go their way. Example: Men typically have to pay child support because we usually make more money than them, but, in those instances where she makes more money and they get divorced, she is ordered to pay which to them is unacceptable. Remember, they are hypergamous and monkey branch to a better catch, so they ALL want "parting gifts and prizes" for their new nest before they screw the new guy. I'm sure there are instances when women don't come out ahead, but that's the exception rather than the rule. Think of all the time, money and energy you spent on a woman while dating and married. They lose out on all that when they get divorced, so they want that to continue even into their next marriage.
do you know how many dads dont turn up to pick up there kids on there days with them? its very very common but your group doesnt talk about that? its strange you think its weird you'd have to paid child support, should her and the kids pay you ?
@@CunoWiederhold i do agree with you on some points but not the fact you label all women as this, my mother who was unemployed and my dad who is a doctor, she didnt ask for a penny after he left her not even the house , nether did my aunt with her husband and nether did my granny many many years ago. the man my mother is with now is a barrister and his ex wife was a solicitor she was 10 years older then him and they had no kids and they broke up and she got the house and thousands a month he is also in charge with providing for his elderly parents , hers have passed . he can only get second hand furniture even tho he works his ass off and it terrifies that he is going to have to work until he dyes to help pay his rent and his parents house and pay her . btw even if the women is making more and if she happens to be the one with most custody it wouldnt make sense to pay the other person to sit at home by themselves otherwise i agree if the man is looking after them ( sorry about the bad writing im sleepy as hell)
The MGTOW philosophy is simple, liberating and leads to incredible bliss if applied correctly.
I’ve been monk for 15 years and it’s the best decision I’ve made in my life.
Literally no downsides.
Following two narrow escapes, women have no part in my life whatsoever. I have my own flat and choose to devote my life to academia, love of cats and self-betterment.
the only issue is sex, but a man can always pay for sex and , always, it will costs less than your house or paying alimony and child support for 20-30 years... and that's it, who needs sex in the MGTOW community pay for it, pay per use formula :)
@@ragnarrlobrok244 I never understood this bizarre argument … If you want to never have good sex again, you get married. Married guys have the least amount of sex.
@@doctorcatnip2551 exactly, and wives reduce the amount of sex so you end up doing it once a month or less, where she probably cheats on you with some random chad... that argument worked in the past, where it was not easy having sex out of marriage and when women had a lot to lose in the case they where discovered cheating on husbands. But today, with actual laws, courts and society has no meaning at all, cause a bachelor can have a lot more sex and with escorts also top quality women, pay per use, it costs but sure less than your house or than paying alimony and child support for the life...
"Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same." -Oscar Wilde
Oh Oscar. He could be immortal and never run out of classic quotes.
That’s only because Oscar Wilde would have preferred a husband ;)
Jill Malever Still true nevertheless.
Chinese Chicken I agree that’s it’s true for you. I hope you have zero wives.
Jill Malever From now on I will have Zero wives anyway.
I would agree, except that women initiate 80% of divorce actions. So, if women fare worse in the long haul, they have no one to blame but themselves.
Women will always blame men for their probems. Always has been this way, is this way and most likey will always be this way.
@Speedzone Speedforce Yup...for sure.
Woman only look like they are worse off after divorce because they lose their meal ticket. If you come into marriage with nothing and leave with something (alimony/child support) you can still be in poverty after divorce but be benefiting at your ex husband’s expense.
“All things being equal” sets the following perspective as unrealistic. An equality of opportunity and an equality of outcome can’t exist naturally in a sustainable way. What is the problem with the marriage dynamic. Marriage is based on the concept of two becoming as one. No fault divorce, equality causing competitiveness against each other, and an imbalance of equitable exchange of contribution force two to be as two. Men wind up being forced to be the bearers of responsibility and accountability, while women most often wind up being the bearers of freedom and rights in abundance, without having to respect any authority. Feministic identity politics also weighs heavy on the hive mind collective nature of women. A man’s natural instinct to adequately protect, provide, and preside become misdirected to the singular focus of making the woman happy, which essentially emasculates the man into a position of servitude. Societal indoctrination of males and females establishes a subconscious predisposition of imbalance, which manipulated and then contradicts human nature of males and females. The result is of women identifying as divine and entitled while men are bad and incapable. Hence the comparative phrase spoken to children, “ Girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice while boys are made of snakes and snails and puppy dog tails”. Words have become spells and the counter is action that results in reality. MGTOW concepts identify the fabric of systemic indoctrinated manipulation that has manifested as a control construct, which has destroyed the balance between men and women. All things being equal is based upon the foundation of all things being the same. All things are not the same. Care based morality has festered into a cancerous infection from which nothing within it’s echo chamber can thrive in a healthy and productive way that benefits humanity.
I tried, but couldn't make it.
Brian, thanks for writing out your thoughts. It was well worth the time. Steel sharpens steel. As for those who can't read past a few sentences, maybe they should go back to the books with pictures and such.
You have a way with words.
Very well said.
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Brilliant, brilliant comment.