It’s not actually. It’s much more in alignment with BPD (borderline), brought on by a severely abusive childhood. Sociopaths don’t care THAT much to freak out like this just because they got dumped. That’s why they’re sociopaths. Also- they tend to have a long history of ASPD behavior and she didn’t.
@@kateashby3066 Yes to some extent what u are saying is true. BPD and sociopathy share similar traits. BPDs seek validation from others and are scared of abandonment. Yet at the same time don’t have much remorse over hurting others. Axis 2 disorders can mix and overlap. I definitely think she is sociopathic. Maybe a bit of BPD mixed with it
PRactical. She wanted John, he didnt want a married woman, and her chances as a single mother of 2 were not great. So get rid of the kids and her man, get any assets and pension funds etc, all in one fast night. Except it went another way.
Even if her husband didn't agree to a divorce, she still could've gone forward with it. If her husband had a choice between divorce or death I'm sure he would've chosen the first option.
True! And if she didn’t want the kids anymore, she could have given them to their Dad or grandparents! I would take my grandkids if their parents didn’t want them anymore!
@@Lonesome_Loserboth parties are sociopathic and both work together to pin us against each other so we don’t care and hold them accountable for their corrupt acts that work against us. The fact that you felt the need to turn THIS video into a political statement goes to show how easily manipulated you are.
This case is like a cross between the Chris Watts case and the Diane Downs case. Diane thought that she could gain the man she wanted by exterminating her children too.
And even after, he still did not want her, he was married and wanted to stay with his wife. She knew that. But with who she is, she'll turn on her own flesh and blood to get a man.Sad. She still has no remorse to this day. She didn't even want to see her grandchild born from her daughter she was pregnant with in jail. She was just using being pregnant as way to get attention. Really messed up there are other people like her out here.
True. Imagine a person that is so self centered to kill her kids with the sole purpose of getting a man. In the case of Diane Downs, that guy that she was in love with couldn't wait till she moved out of state. He was creeped out & I think this boyfriend was too.
It’s very hard to understand. If she divorces him and even gives the kids up to him or for adoption then it’s functionally the same. Now they are saying that the MH870 (?) mystery was due to murder-suicide… what sort of personality needs to commit mass murder along with their suicide
She was born the year I was born. Her boys were similar in age to my two oldest sons. One of my sons is now married, the other is about to get married. Life with them has been so precious. To think of the futures she destroyed and all she took from them 😢 Taking any innocent life is heinous, but that of your own child? Incomprehensible! 😢
I'm glad your boys found love; my son is 21 and currently serving in the military, never had a relationship, he has been to 14 countries in the last 3 years and will never get into a relationship with a western woman.
Plus, if she had childhood trauma why would the materialistic size of her house matter. She really only needed 2 good size ones for the parents and the boys.
@@colleenpeck6347 it probably wasn't a "materialistic" view, but just a practical one so that everyone in the family could have their own space. The lady would have probably been satisfied with a 3-bedroom house had her husband not been a loser.
He was sleeping not knowing his kids were dead in the house? That's very creepy and tragic. I hope he never got to realise it before he died. What he went through was horrific and bad enough.
The crazy thing is her high school boyfriend wasn't really interested in her, he just wanted to sleep with her. Once he did that he was done....even if she got a divorce I highly doubt he would want a relationship with her. Plus, if she cheated on her husband with him...she would probably do it again once she was bored of their relationship.
@@cht2162no that’s not the logic behind it . Many people cheat on their spouses and not kill them to be with someone else. If the old boyfriend encouraged her to kill her family and he would be with her after then that would be the case. Whether it was for a simple hookup fling or he decided a relationship with a cheater was not his thing and he just didn’t want to be with her any further.
ı agree with you.If he was sincere not to be with a married woman he would not have slept at the first place.he just said that because he wanted to get rid of her..
Its hard to even comprehend what it must be like to be devoid of feelings of empathy. To see people as objects. She had no feelings for her children, so it was easy to kill them. But to go out with other people for dinner after killing your two children! Like I said, there is no way to imagine how this is possible. While your company at dinner are laughing and joking, you are eating a plate of food knowing that you just killed both of your children. To me, that makes her a different kind of organism, but definitely not human.
No. People need to stop with this "monster, not human" BS! Humans are the most depraved species of all, this is what we are capable of! She is HUMAN. That makes it even more disgusting. Learn to live with that fact
“Now moving to the timeline of the crime” is a line you say in all your uploads, and I appreciate you giving us this polite signal. I tune in mostly for your thought-provoking analyses. Happy New Year Dr. Grande! 🎉🎊🙋🏻♀️
@@AlessioFratticcioli Same. I especially like when he goes over stuff that's happened recently or on TikTok because it saves me from having to go and dig it up myself
The fact that anyone can suffocate their own kids and attack another human with a samurai sword is so hard to hard to comprehend. I feel really bad when I kill a spider, yet this lady is running around killing her whole family. Scary that people are capable of this. Thank you for another interesting case, Dr. Grande. Your voice is calming, I fell asleep twice trying to watch this and then I wake up when the video stops.😂❤
I can't believe wanting your husband to find the children you murdered and be driven to such dispair that he kills himself. And thinking that scenario wraps things up nicely so you can start a better life.
She probably started out wanting to kill him, then realized she couldn't continue with the 2 kids, constant reminders of him. She probably initially thought of killing her husband, then the kids, but somehow came up with that other idea. She forgot how dull he was though. He didn't even know his own kids were dead. Very low situational awareness. She should've thought it out more. Better yet, she should've just divorced him for not pulling his weight in the marriage.
How do you really know your partner? You don't. You don't actually know anyone except yourself. That's a fact of life. You can live your life staying away from everyone, or you can live a normal life knowing that these types of people are extremely rare. There are no certainties in life, except death. It's not "these days" either. It's always been this way. In the UK, two women and one child die every week at the hands of their partner. It's been that way for centuries. Tragic for those involved and a terrible statistic. However, when you take the population is 67 million, it's a tiny percentage and therefore a very low risk of it happening to you.
Sad imagining a kid just sleeping with his spongebob blanket being killed. That stood out to me. And the samurai sword against husband, total insanity. Wow
in her eyes, he liked his swords more than her! The poor guy must have taken a while to die. He thought he was getting a simple tradional submissive Asian wife.... Poor guy. It looks like he liked Asian culture, he should have gone to Asia to get a simple wife
I have a private group on Facebook, a support group for those who’ve lost loved ones to homicide. One of the victims family members is in my group. Just in case anyone wonders how we get closure: we don’t. Closure is a made up word. We serve life. Neil’s mother is a very kind woman who honors her loved ones with strength and courage.
My son died 9 months ago. The investigation is ongoing. His death is still documented as "undetermined" despite a suspect having threatened him directly, telling several other people he'd "get rid of him" before his death, including my daughter, and me. Afterward, texts between him and a mutual casual acquaintance of him and my daughter were exchanged in which he asked the person to kill my daughter, giving specific instructions along with specific amount of money?! The acquaintance contacted another casual friend who informed his wife and through her my daughter was able to speak with the person approached to "do her" and obtain copies of the texts exchanged. LE now has this evidence. When the person recruited refused to cooperate or further communicate with the suspect His life was threatened. My daughter obtained restraining order and that same day the suspect followed her to a donut shop where he tried to get her to leave with him. She was able to text the Detective and tman was arrested attempting to flee, on foot, with a machete and several knives in his backpack. He was held overnight and released. Still in the area. The entire situation is frightening and absurd. Of course the suspect had been in a relationship with my daughter and my son, though civil, did not like the man from day one. He tried to avoid him when they were in the same vicinity but it was clear he did not trust the man. When neither I nor my son succumbed to the person's obviously fake charm and obvious signs he was manipulative and abusive he blamed us for the relationship not going his way. It took my son's death and the aftermath to convince my daughter her ex may have had some responsibility in her brother's death and she may be in danger. I contacted our sheriff personally, directly, after detectives concluded their investigation in 24 hrs, wanting to write off the strange death of a healthy 42 year old man as accidental, despite multiple unexplained injuries on both arms and around his neck, with suicide immediately ruled out. Your statement about closure is absolutely correct. There is none and never will be no matter the outcome before I am gone. I only know I would never wish the pain of my eldest child's loss on my worst enemy. A child's death is a life sentence visited upon all their loved ones. Still, most family and friends actively avoid speaking his name and though I can understand in one way, my wish is that for those who know someone suffering from a child's death they find the courage to say their name and just BE available to listen or at the least don't pull away from fear. You don't have to worry about saying the wrong thing. Your presence and support mean everything to us. Nothing can replace my son and life has forever changed. I struggle daily though try to live as I know he wants me too as we spoke many times before his death about many personal beliefs and dreams and plans and wishes. He was so sweet and always protective of and concerned about ME. I thank God our last conversation ended with "I love you" and "I love you too mom" even though we didn't always see eye to eye. Thanks for letting me speak. God Bless you all. XxxOoo
She should’ve raised him to have some responsibilities I didn’t get to the end, so I don’t know how horrible this woman is, except for the fact that she’s a sadistic murderer. But Neil sounds like he didn’t much care about his family either.
She didn’t need much motivation to commit these crimes. These types already have the necessary evil within themselves to complete the gruesome acts with little ambition or reasoning behind them. If it hadn’t been then, it would have been another time due to some other trivial reason. Same with Chris Watts.
I just can not imagine how a mother can murder her own children. Either parent actually....however as a young mother...it is almost impossible for me to wrap my head around. 😔
@@yoleeisbored she chose to have kids. Some women have kids to hold onto a guy then realize he’s not worth holding onto and lose interest in the kids. Sad but true. But they don’t strangle the kids and play Kill Bill with the dad.
@@J-_- I’m sure you’re right but, like I’ve heard Dr. Phil say, appeal to your own greed. She could have walked away and pretty easily found someone else. Some people may have judged her for walking away from her kids but it beats murdering them.
@@BetaBuxDelux it may be that she would have had to pay child support and spousal support...he wouldn't work to support the family so he would not have been able to find employment for himself to have an apartment much less a 2nd bedroom for the children. They lived in a condo owned by her family-maybe he would have been given the condo. [still no excuse for her actions]
@@BetaBuxDeluxlol please don’t quote dr Phil who is just a tv show host 😂. Heck even dr grande isn’t qualified to insert an expert opinion when it comes to personality disorders. The dude is just a counselor.
Sadly, it is becoming all too predictable these days to blame your deceased spouse for wiping out your family when you, the only survivor, is actually the family annihilator.
Cause and effect... Action and consequences. Basically the husband gave her the "gun" and reason to shoot but she was the one that "pull the trigger" Both responsible and had a role to play in the annihilation of their family.
He's right about death row in California. I've been waiting for the man who was convicted of killing my 98 year old grandma in a home invasion that occurred in my mother's home were she resided. Oh wait that's right it was over turned on appeal because of a witness that was excluded during the penalty phase. Him and his buddies murdered a woman who could not have identified them because she never saw their faces, she had macular degeneration and couldnt see faces anymore.
What a nightmare for the family . One never gets over a family member being murdered in a senseless crime . It is truly the worst thing and causes a generation of heartache
@@user-zg9st8ox3m everyone is allowed there opinion but I was a member of amnesty international before it happened to me. Walk a mile in my shoes because I didnt know how fast my opinion could change. Call it vengeance but I'd like him to experience facing death without a loved one in sight. I was 5 months pregnant at the time and was calling to give my mom and grandma an update on test results. I spoke to the machine to give her time to get to the phone... they say my voice was what she heard as she passed. I wish I found more comfort in that. Please dont judge when you have no way to truly understand what violent crime does to change a person's perspective.
@@ally93796 thank you, it's been a very long time but some grief never fades... you just learn to live with it. She was a beautiful person who I loved very much.
Dr Grande describes the stories of all his videos in terms everyone can understand. It shows he thoroughly researchers his material. He takes his work seriously. He is a true professional. I admire Dr Grande! He is the best!
Imagine thinking some guy would really want you after you've done all of that. He must feel such enormous relief, also regret for going anywhere near her in the first place. Dodged a flying B there for sure.
Dude might have been lazy but the picture of him with his children, and her assumption about what he would do after she smothered the children, make me think he probably loved the kids
He was probably depressed because of his crazy wife. If she was able to kill them without any care, I truly don't think she was a good partner even before the murder.
Women go to clubs, party, and sex a lot of men up, but are never called lazy. Depressed men, are called lazy everyday. Men are most definitely held to a double higher standard. That said, don’t be naive, and assume the killer’s account is accurate.
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 Not lazy. He was an INSURANCE broker/sales person before he died. Taking that test and going to the classes isn't easy I am telling you. And he did it for his family. What was SHE doing for work?!
Perfect partner for American Psycho character, including the narcissistic materialism and penchant for cutting-up victims. Dreadful what she did to her boys.
I know women who have completely escaped the responsibility of their children by walking away. They have even avoided child support by letting another man support them rather then getting a job. I wish Ling had chosen this route (as horrible as it is)
@@Meela234 That is true. My step-dad raised his three boys from his first marriage by himself before he married my mom who had four of her own from previous marriages and they had a boy between them. My second ex-husband raised his daughter from a previous marriage by himself until we married and after we divorced.
Brutally murdering 2 innocent children with your own hands AND ruthlessly hacking an innocent man to death is punishable by lifetime free room and board with access to enrichment opportunities? Seems odd to me.
This has been happening so often, that it makes me wonder if we’re all capable of doing something so, so terrible under the right circumstances. Please, Dr. G, tell me only the nut bags would do away with their families!😫 Thank you for working so hard this year to keep us entertained! We wuv ya, Dr.G!! Happy New Year!!!
This is actually very rare. It does not make me question if I am capable of this at all. I know for a fact no situation would cause me to take someone's life, except self defence of course.
If you were mistreated as a child, had genetic predisposition for mental illness and awful life circumstances which triggered the psychosis - you might do something similar also. But if you had relatively good childhood, have no mental illness and life is good - the chance of doing something like this is probably 0
So cruel, so disturbing. It’s just unimaginable that someone could do this to their own children. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this case, Dr. Grande. ❤
He quit the Disney job for another job, which he later quit. It said he was then a stay at home dad. But regardless, it’s not ok to kill your partner for being lazy. And we probably only have the testimony of his murderer to evaluate whether he was good at being a SATD or not, so I would take it with a grain of salt. I also wouldn’t trust Chris Watts to evaluate his dead wife.
It’s very telling reading comments of people almost justifying the wife’s behavior due to laziness on the part of the man. If the roles were reversed, there would be absolutely zero sympathy for the husband. Consider that some men fall into deep depression caring for their children and being married to a discontented and emotionally unhinged woman. She didn’t love her children or her husband. This is extremely horrific yet people try to understand this ruthless killer. How many house wives have become alcoholics that binge watch shows on Netflix while letting the children and the home go completely to hell? Do the kids deserve to die? Does the wife deserve to be hacked up over 90 times with a samurai sword? Certainly not. Imagine that 4 out of 8 on the jury did not want her to suffer the death penalty. Insane.
I'm not too sure that if the roles were reversed that there would be 0 sympathy for the husband. Because I remember way back in chris watts' case some people were blaming his wife for constantly being online and having an MLM wife. Neither deserves whatever happened to them. And both killers should have just ended their marriage *sigh* (People will justify whatever they feel like I guess)
@@kingcosworth2643 I'm sure she expected that he would mature as most humans are expected to but was sadly disappointed. No excuse for what she did though, she should have just gone through with the divorce despite her husband's protestations.
Dr. Thank you as always for your keen supportive work. I appreciate the videos. Was going to start by saying that in this case, but then caught myself thinking, and want to say that in all cases, support for the developing child in the form of love and nurturing is a root component for adulthood and social development. Get a bad deal as a child, and our subject matter will sadly become a discussion paper. Innocent children/ families are torn apart by the consequences of the crimes committed. My question to you is, are there enough people switched on to this one truth that we really need to get going with child welfare if we care about our children and humanity in general ! I think that this IS that serious a social disorder. Cheers
After watching a crime video I hypotize which personality disorder/mental problems could have the killer and then go to your channel to check it out. Thank you very much, because of one such video I understood that the boy I was dating probably has BPD and now I'm free and full or energy I didn't have before, he made me suffer a lot
@@nowayhosay50 You know that innocent people have been sent to jail and put to death in the United States, right? As long as human error exists, the death penalty should be unthinkable. But sadly some people are so bloodthirsty, they let that could their reason and judgement.
She was probably devastated that her husband was a total loser and her kids liked her husband more than her. In fact I bet it got to the point where the 3 of them thought she was the problem. And she obviously thought all 3 of them was the problem. Very sad, why the f didn't she just leave.
One wanted a four-bedroom house and wanted someone else to get it for her, instead of work for it herself. The other wanted to be a stay-at-home-dad, but play video games all day. Two losers, one turned out to be a psychopath. Two kids never get to grow up to be anything. There is nothing good about this. Probably never will be.
Dude! his wife was capable of murdering his kids, and him while he begged for his life. Do you really think that she was a good wife until that point? She was probably the reason he was depressed. Nothing wrong working 40 hours a week for a modest wage. Some people don't need crazy amounts of money to be happy.
Why should she work for it herself when they both had two kids. She didn’t have the children alone. He was lazy, and never contributed.. she was working outside the home and still doing all the cooking, cleaning when she got back home. I mean it’s not right what she did, but my God I understand ! Men, you guys are so disgusting and useless sometimes. You guys will murder a woman for coughing the wrong way, for not making your dinner, for rejecting you; but judge her for having what was most likely a complete mental breakdown.
This is horrible!!! And so sad.even though he was lazy...I still cannot imagine the disgust, fatigue, and disdain she had for her husband . So sad it came to this, i wonder what the warning signs were.
@@kingcosworth2643He was a grown man, she was probably the primary caretaker and working cuz he was lazy, and even though he stayed home he still never bothered to clean or parent the kids. So a woman is working hard, coking home from work just to work some more when a grown man has been home all day and refuses to help.
@@Dita1994bouhouhou ill become lazy and unmotivated too if i was stuck with an evil psychopath. Never thought that maybe She was draining him? Lazyness and letting yourself go are the first sign of dépression but go ahead and défend this evil woman
I’m so tired of people getting partnered and having kids and then deciding they don’t want to do it anymore. She should have sucked it up, got divorced, let the kids live with the dad, and paid child and spousal support until the kids reached 18.
She could have said that her husband killed the kids and that she lost it and took the sword to him. It would have been credible and she would have escaped responsibility.
Omg she was my neighbor in Rowland heights!! New tenants had a yard sale they said the apartment had bad juju! No tenants pasted more than 6mo. ( seems like is normal now)
Absolutely it was premeditated! She wanted to be with this other person, but the person didn’t want to be the other guy in a triangle and her husband wouldn’t grant her divorce and I’m convinced she hated her children
She murdered her two children then went out with friends. If that's not evil, sociopathic, psychopathy, I don't know what is.
It’s not actually. It’s much more in alignment with BPD (borderline), brought on by a severely abusive childhood. Sociopaths don’t care THAT much to freak out like this just because they got dumped. That’s why they’re sociopaths. Also- they tend to have a long history of ASPD behavior and she didn’t.
@@kateashby3066 Yes to some extent what u are saying is true. BPD and sociopathy share similar traits. BPDs seek validation from others and are scared of abandonment. Yet at the same time don’t have much remorse over hurting others. Axis 2 disorders can mix and overlap. I definitely think she is sociopathic. Maybe a bit of BPD mixed with it
Just like CASEY ANTHONY.
PRactical.
She wanted John, he didnt want a married woman, and her chances as a single mother of 2 were not great.
So get rid of the kids and her man, get any assets and pension funds etc, all in one fast night.
Except it went another way.
The indigenous, endemic malignant narcissism of the female of the species.
Even if her husband didn't agree to a divorce, she still could've gone forward with it. If her husband had a choice between divorce or death I'm sure he would've chosen the first option.
You never know.
True! And if she didn’t want the kids anymore, she could have given them to their Dad or grandparents! I would take my grandkids if their parents didn’t want them anymore!
Amen
Yes. Why not just divorce and give children to someone.
@@thegodofmoneymaking I think you meant to say divorce and give custody to husband
I can never get my head around the idea of a mother killing her children.
It's becoming more common
Or father. Either, anyone.
@@blacksuite1It's not. Crime is just more openly shown due to media now. Rates have actually gone down.
@@moonfighter4872Every abortion is a mother killing her child,
@@moonfighter4872 lots of vids coming out about women putting kids in microwaves
When entitlement merges into psychopathy, limits seem to go out the window....truly saddening story.
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Well put
I think a true psychopath would have done a bit better at getting away with this. I think there were other problems with her, described by dr grande
Reminds me of the current Republican Party.
@@Lonesome_Loserboth parties are sociopathic and both work together to pin us against each other so we don’t care and hold them accountable for their corrupt acts that work against us. The fact that you felt the need to turn THIS video into a political statement goes to show how easily manipulated you are.
This case is like a cross between the Chris Watts case and the Diane Downs case. Diane thought that she could gain the man she wanted by exterminating her children too.
Similar to Susan Smith😊
Yes...I was thinking of Diane Downs as well.
And even after, he still did not want her, he was married and wanted to stay with his wife. She knew that. But with who she is, she'll turn on her own flesh and blood to get a man.Sad. She still has no remorse to this day. She didn't even want to see her grandchild born from her daughter she was pregnant with in jail. She was just using being pregnant as way to get attention. Really messed up there are other people like her out here.
True. Imagine a person that is so self centered to kill her kids with the sole purpose of getting a man. In the case of Diane Downs, that guy that she was in love with couldn't wait till she moved out of state. He was creeped out & I think this boyfriend was too.
Susan Smith was said to be motivated by the fact her new love interest had no desire to be a step-dad. Crazy.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about what happens when a woman goes total 'Kill Bill's like this.
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Wiggle your big toe.
OK. I'm sorry to dump my racist, xenophobic diatribe on your channel, but...
Not funny at all.
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Right!
If you are unhappy, go away and get on with your life. Don’t take others down with you…
One of the mysteries of a person's mind.... Don't judge here
@@Moodboard39 I most certainly will judge someone who murders their children and spouse.
It’s very hard to understand. If she divorces him and even gives the kids up to him or for adoption then it’s functionally the same.
Now they are saying that the MH870 (?) mystery was due to murder-suicide… what sort of personality needs to commit mass murder along with their suicide
Hell has endless space
Well. Now you tell us.
She was born the year I was born. Her boys were similar in age to my two oldest sons. One of my sons is now married, the other is about to get married. Life with them has been so precious. To think of the futures she destroyed and all she took from them 😢 Taking any innocent life is heinous, but that of your own child? Incomprehensible! 😢
I'm glad your boys found love; my son is 21 and currently serving in the military, never had a relationship, he has been to 14 countries in the last 3 years and will never get into a relationship with a western woman.
@@tdgdbs1Never? Geeze, they're only 21; they have their whole life ahead of them.
He's a Tate fan isnt he? @@tdgdbs1 Hopefully he wont bother a non western woman with his ideology.
@@tdgdbs1 well Manling was a first-generation Western woman, so good luck with that
@@tdgdbs1 What? He's 21! Never is a very long time. And Ling wasn't a 'Western woman' so not sure why you've mentioned that.
4 bedroom house in California? She had unrealistic expectations 😂
Plus, if she had childhood trauma why would the materialistic size of her house matter. She really only needed 2 good size ones for the parents and the boys.
😂😂😂😂Say that again!!!! Add delusional to her list of diagnosis.
It was possible in 2010 to 2013. My brother got his for 130K in 2012. Now worth over 500k
@@colleenpeck6347her own mother probably complained about the family house as well. These things are usually generational.
@@colleenpeck6347 it probably wasn't a "materialistic" view, but just a practical one so that everyone in the family could have their own space. The lady would have probably been satisfied with a 3-bedroom house had her husband not been a loser.
He was sleeping not knowing his kids were dead in the house? That's very creepy and tragic. I hope he never got to realise it before he died. What he went through was horrific and bad enough.
If you're a deep sleeper he wouldn't know nor hear a thing.
He was too tired from playing video games to hear anything.
They were suffocated. So they wouldn't be bleeding or anything. He might have assume they were sleeping.
The children were killed when he was away from the residence, and he simply failed to discover their bodies prior to being murdered himself.
He was a good-for-nothing slob not much better than his wife.
The crazy thing is her high school boyfriend wasn't really interested in her, he just wanted to sleep with her. Once he did that he was done....even if she got a divorce I highly doubt he would want a relationship with her. Plus, if she cheated on her husband with him...she would probably do it again once she was bored of their relationship.
@@cht2162no that’s not the logic behind it . Many people cheat on their spouses and not kill them to be with someone else. If the old boyfriend encouraged her to kill her family and he would be with her after then that would be the case. Whether it was for a simple hookup fling or he decided a relationship with a cheater was not his thing and he just didn’t want to be with her any further.
Exactly, who wants someone elses used goods 🥴
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ı agree with you.If he was sincere not to be with a married woman he would not have slept at the first place.he just said that because he wanted to get rid of her..
@@MovistarMonsterYeah, who would want to date that guy? He’s been ran through and used up.
I saw a video of this case in detail. She should have just proceeded with a divorce, she didn't need her husband's consent to divorce him.
It’s cute when people try to use logic with cases that are clearly influenced by mental illness lol
mental illness is not proven. U no better than her...
Its hard to even comprehend what it must be like to be devoid of feelings of empathy. To see people as objects. She had no feelings for her children, so it was easy to kill them. But to go out with other people for dinner after killing your two children! Like I said, there is no way to imagine how this is possible. While your company at dinner are laughing and joking, you are eating a plate of food knowing that you just killed both of your children. To me, that makes her a different kind of organism, but definitely not human.
Imagine the people she had dinner with finding this out.😮😮
Humans are just primates that operate off the chemicals in their bodies…you shouldn’t put them on such pedestals
No. People need to stop with this "monster, not human" BS! Humans are the most depraved species of all, this is what we are capable of! She is HUMAN. That makes it even more disgusting. Learn to live with that fact
@@michelleobrien6996right. That would give me PTSD.
Most women like her tend to not have souls
“Now moving to the timeline of the crime” is a line you say in all your uploads, and I appreciate you giving us this polite signal. I tune in mostly for your thought-provoking analyses. Happy New Year Dr. Grande! 🎉🎊🙋🏻♀️
That should be put on a shirt.
I love how his videos are organized like a good research paper. He’s perfected his flow and delivery of his content.
I also love how he neatly organizes his videos. Extremely clear and logic.
@@AlessioFratticcioli Same. I especially like when he goes over stuff that's happened recently or on TikTok because it saves me from having to go and dig it up myself
Happy New Year to you and your family Dr Grande. Sadly there will continue to be cases like this for you to "not diagnose, but only speculate on". 😢
HAPPY NEW YEAR Doc. sad vid.thou. :(
The fact that anyone can suffocate their own kids and attack another human with a samurai sword is so hard to hard to comprehend. I feel really bad when I kill a spider, yet this lady is running around killing her whole family. Scary that people are capable of this. Thank you for another interesting case, Dr. Grande. Your voice is calming, I fell asleep twice trying to watch this and then I wake up when the video stops.😂❤
No not “anyone”. These things are very rare and always involve mental illness to boot.
Because your not strong enough
Stop killing spiders 🕷️
Lol, it means his voice is boring to you.
I can't believe wanting your husband to find the children you murdered and be driven to such dispair that he kills himself. And thinking that scenario wraps things up nicely so you can start a better life.
I would hope that sort of attitude took MANY years to cultivate and wasn't there from the beginning... Yikes.
@@Kelthor85He sounds like quite a loser. 7 years of hate building.
She probably started out wanting to kill him, then realized she couldn't continue with the 2 kids, constant reminders of him. She probably initially thought of killing her husband, then the kids, but somehow came up with that other idea. She forgot how dull he was though. He didn't even know his own kids were dead. Very low situational awareness. She should've thought it out more. Better yet, she should've just divorced him for not pulling his weight in the marriage.
I’ve noticed that in a lot of these stories the killer has a very low IQ. They premeditate a crime that they had no chance of getting away with.
This is I think the most disgusting thing I've ever heard in my life, literally.
I'm 61, single and lonely at times.
It seems to be worth being alone these days.
How do you really know your partner.
How do you really know your partner? You don't. You don't actually know anyone except yourself. That's a fact of life. You can live your life staying away from everyone, or you can live a normal life knowing that these types of people are extremely rare. There are no certainties in life, except death. It's not "these days" either. It's always been this way. In the UK, two women and one child die every week at the hands of their partner. It's been that way for centuries. Tragic for those involved and a terrible statistic. However, when you take the population is 67 million, it's a tiny percentage and therefore a very low risk of it happening to you.
Sad imagining a kid just sleeping with his spongebob blanket being killed. That stood out to me. And the samurai sword against husband, total insanity. Wow
in her eyes, he liked his swords more than her!
The poor guy must have taken a while to die. He thought he was getting a simple tradional submissive Asian wife.... Poor guy. It looks like he liked Asian culture, he should have gone to Asia to get a simple wife
I enjoyed the Christmas decorations at your house, and appreciate all the work involved. You and your wife did a great job! It was beautiful!
yes, if you have a lover who is not morally ok with you being married, he would certainly accept you as a murderer... that's ridiculous.
She would’ve lied to her new partner that her husband killed her children and himself and she’s innocent
Devon would have been 22 years old now.. my daughter and Devon went to the same elementary school.. it was very very sad
I don’t even want to see my kids cry, how can someone kill theirs? Oh Lord!
I have a private group on Facebook, a support group for those who’ve lost loved ones to homicide. One of the victims family members is in my group. Just in case anyone wonders how we get closure: we don’t. Closure is a made up word. We serve life. Neil’s mother is a very kind woman who honors her loved ones with strength and courage.
My son died 9 months ago. The investigation is ongoing. His death is still documented as "undetermined" despite a suspect having threatened him directly, telling several other people he'd "get rid of him" before his death, including my daughter, and me. Afterward, texts between him and a mutual casual acquaintance of him and my daughter were exchanged in which he asked the person to kill my daughter, giving specific instructions along with specific amount of money?! The acquaintance contacted another casual friend who informed his wife and through her my daughter was able to speak with the person approached to "do her" and obtain copies of the texts exchanged. LE now has this evidence. When the person recruited refused to cooperate or further communicate with the suspect His life was threatened. My daughter obtained restraining order and that same day the suspect followed her to a donut shop where he tried to get her to leave with him. She was able to text the Detective and tman was arrested attempting to flee, on foot, with a machete and several knives in his backpack. He was held overnight and released. Still in the area. The entire situation is frightening and absurd. Of course the suspect had been in a relationship with my daughter and my son, though civil, did not like the man from day one. He tried to avoid him when they were in the same vicinity but it was clear he did not trust the man. When neither I nor my son succumbed to the person's obviously fake charm and obvious signs he was manipulative and abusive he blamed us for the relationship not going his way. It took my son's death and the aftermath to convince my daughter her ex may have had some responsibility in her brother's death and she may be in danger. I contacted our sheriff personally, directly, after detectives concluded their investigation in 24 hrs, wanting to write off the strange death of a healthy 42 year old man as accidental, despite multiple unexplained injuries on both arms and around his neck, with suicide immediately ruled out. Your statement about closure is absolutely correct. There is none and never will be no matter the outcome before I am gone. I only know I would never wish the pain of my eldest child's loss on my worst enemy. A child's death is a life sentence visited upon all their loved ones. Still, most family and friends actively avoid speaking his name and though I can understand in one way, my wish is that for those who know someone suffering from a child's death they find the courage to say their name and just BE available to listen or at the least don't pull away from fear. You don't have to worry about saying the wrong thing. Your presence and support mean everything to us. Nothing can replace my son and life has forever changed. I struggle daily though try to live as I know he wants me too as we spoke many times before his death about many personal beliefs and dreams and plans and wishes. He was so sweet and always protective of and concerned about ME. I thank God our last conversation ended with "I love you" and "I love you too mom" even though we didn't always see eye to eye. Thanks for letting me speak. God Bless you all. XxxOoo
She should’ve raised him to have some responsibilities I didn’t get to the end, so I don’t know how horrible this woman is, except for the fact that she’s a sadistic murderer. But Neil sounds like he didn’t much care about his family either.
Maybe you don’t need to share that! How rude, violating the privacy of a support group!
@@damagecontrol2424yes I agree!
@@damagecontrol2424Are you serious?!
Happy New Year 2024 to everyone who managed not to unalive anyone in 2023. 🎉🎈🥳
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This happened right up the street from my church. We pass by often and it’s just so sad 😔
She didn’t need much motivation to commit these crimes. These types already have the necessary evil within themselves to complete the gruesome acts with little ambition or reasoning behind them. If it hadn’t been then, it would have been another time due to some other trivial reason. Same with Chris Watts.
She probably thought her children would be a hindrance to a new love..
Not a real mother. Disgusting.
I just can not imagine how a mother can murder her own children. Either parent actually....however as a young mother...it is almost impossible for me to wrap my head around. 😔
Psychopaths.
Probably cause she'd be stuck with the kids he would be able to walk away free...
@@yoleeisbored she chose to have kids. Some women have kids to hold onto a guy then realize he’s not worth holding onto and lose interest in the kids. Sad but true. But they don’t strangle the kids and play Kill Bill with the dad.
Its driven by a selfish desire to have a better relationship. Susan Smith did the same thing. Read David M Buss' work.
Sexual deviancy is almost always the root of it.
Why don’t people in these situations just leave?
Just walk away.
Codependency sometimes. Heck, they even end up marrying these Cluster B's sometimes, surprisingly. Low level of insight too like Dr. Grande mentioned.
@@J-_- I’m sure you’re right but, like I’ve heard Dr. Phil say, appeal to your own greed. She could have walked away and pretty easily found someone else.
Some people may have judged her for walking away from her kids but it beats murdering them.
@@BetaBuxDelux it may be that she would have had to pay child support and spousal support...he wouldn't work to support the family so he would not have been able to find employment for himself to have an apartment much less a 2nd bedroom for the children. They lived in a condo owned by her family-maybe he would have been given the condo. [still no excuse for her actions]
@@ginaharden2111 I was thinking that too.
I think she could have found a “thirsty” man to help her out though.
I just don’t get killing the kids.
@@BetaBuxDeluxlol please don’t quote dr Phil who is just a tv show host 😂. Heck even dr grande isn’t qualified to insert an expert opinion when it comes to personality disorders. The dude is just a counselor.
Sadly, it is becoming all too predictable these days to blame your deceased spouse for wiping out your family when you, the only survivor, is actually the family annihilator.
Not all the time budd
@@ellenkennedy6950 it is certainly a very understandable starting point. The question is always "why didn't you die, if everyone else did?"
Cause and effect... Action and consequences.
Basically the husband gave her the "gun" and reason to shoot but she was the one that "pull the trigger" Both responsible and had a role to play in the annihilation of their family.
He's right about death row in California. I've been waiting for the man who was convicted of killing my 98 year old grandma in a home invasion that occurred in my mother's home were she resided. Oh wait that's right it was over turned on appeal because of a witness that was excluded during the penalty phase. Him and his buddies murdered a woman who could not have identified them because she never saw their faces, she had macular degeneration and couldnt see faces anymore.
What a nightmare for the family . One never gets over a family member being murdered in a senseless crime . It is truly the worst thing and causes a generation of heartache
@@user-zg9st8ox3m everyone is allowed there opinion but I was a member of amnesty international before it happened to me. Walk a mile in my shoes because I didnt know how fast my opinion could change. Call it vengeance but I'd like him to experience facing death without a loved one in sight. I was 5 months pregnant at the time and was calling to give my mom and grandma an update on test results. I spoke to the machine to give her time to get to the phone... they say my voice was what she heard as she passed. I wish I found more comfort in that. Please dont judge when you have no way to truly understand what violent crime does to change a person's perspective.
Im so sorry for your loss. Its sickening that you and your family were denied justice after such a horrendous and senseless crime.
@@ally93796 thank you, it's been a very long time but some grief never fades... you just learn to live with it. She was a beautiful person who I loved very much.
Death penalty isn’t the answer simply because you don’t want to kill an innocent person, not saying the person found guilty on the crime is innocent.
Randy Kraft was sentenced to death in 1989 in Cali. As of 2023, Kraft remains on death row at San Quentin State Prison. He's 78 years old.
She should have just left!!!
Thank you, Captain Obvious!
@@klauswigsmith always one
Honestly!
@@klauswigsmiththere's always gotta be that one downer in the group and that's you
@@amateur_ckaiyion5999 Thank you, Captain Obvious!
Dr Grande describes the stories of all his videos in terms everyone can understand. It shows he thoroughly researchers his material. He takes his work seriously. He is a true professional. I admire Dr Grande! He is the best!
She completely Brutalized Neal! So Savage! And her sleeping Babies! Rest In Peace 💔💔💔🥀🥀🥀🕊️🕊️🕊️🙏🙏🙏
Was such a cowardly attack too, while he was sleeping.
In California, Death Row should be changed to Death By Old Age Row.
Imagine thinking some guy would really want you after you've done all of that. He must feel such enormous relief, also regret for going anywhere near her in the first place. Dodged a flying B there for sure.
She thought be happy but guess not lol a boy playing video games...ain't that ridiculous?
Dodged fucking artillery or some shit not a bullet
@@user-vm1qr5cv9idodged a sword
His only crime was he wasn’t getting enough money
Happy New Year, Dr Grande. Wishing you all the best this 2024.
New York, or at least that longitude?
Dude might have been lazy but the picture of him with his children, and her assumption about what he would do after she smothered the children, make me think he probably loved the kids
He was probably depressed because of his crazy wife. If she was able to kill them without any care, I truly don't think she was a good partner even before the murder.
@@420noscopesonlylol6Some people are just lazy. Doesn't mean that they deserve to be murdered.
He was lazy? Lol! I will never believe the killers excuses.
Women go to clubs, party, and sex a lot of men up, but are never called lazy. Depressed men, are called lazy everyday. Men are most definitely held to a double higher standard. That said, don’t be naive, and assume the killer’s account is accurate.
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 Not lazy. He was an INSURANCE broker/sales person before he died. Taking that test and going to the classes isn't easy I am telling you. And he did it for his family. What was SHE doing for work?!
In my opinion, this is what a narcissist does when don't know what else to do.
Happy New Year, Dr Grande! Looking forward to more of your exceptional content in 2024 🎉
Happy New Year to you and your family, Dr. Grande! I enjoy your content so much.
Perfect partner for American Psycho character, including the narcissistic materialism and penchant for cutting-up victims. Dreadful what she did to her boys.
She wasn't materialistic for wanting a husband who wasn't a useless parasite.
too old
It was the title for me‼️
Happy 2024 Dr.Grande 🌍EVERYONE
I've said it before but the world has gone crazy 😧 Happy New Year to you and your family
It always was.
There have always been people like this. We just hear about them more often, due to the ease of information access these days.
I love your dry sense of humor Happy New year to one of my favorite creators ❤❤❤❤❤❤
The boyfriend did not turn Ling down due to her marriage .
The boyfriend
“hit it and quit it” and nothing more …..
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We have no idea one way or the other.
@@tanikokishimoto1604 we know, if have own a penis, u know for sure
💯. And she wasn't all that good looking, as Asian girls go.
I know women who have completely escaped the responsibility of their children by walking away. They have even avoided child support by letting another man support them rather then getting a job. I wish Ling had chosen this route (as horrible as it is)
It's much harder for women though.
Nah not really. The whole "Harder for Women" excuse is BS today.@@yoleeisbored
@@yoleeisbored It is not that hard these days. It happens more than you think.
@@Meela234 That is true. My step-dad raised his three boys from his first marriage by himself before he married my mom who had four of her own from previous marriages and they had a boy between them. My second ex-husband raised his daughter from a previous marriage by himself until we married and after we divorced.
@@yoleeisbored What do you mean 'it's much harder for women' More mothers kill their children than fathers do, surly they can just walk away.
What is the point of having a punishment that is not applied?!
Doc. I am praying for all of the babies out there. As always, love ya. Blessings from Memphis Tennessee 🐈🐾
Brutally murdering 2 innocent children with your own hands AND ruthlessly hacking an innocent man to death is punishable by lifetime free room and board with access to enrichment opportunities? Seems odd to me.
It isn't fair but we can't give greenlight for our government to be able to kill their own citizens.
I'd personally knew Manling. It was a total shock.
This has been happening so often, that it makes me wonder if we’re all capable of doing something so, so terrible under the right circumstances. Please, Dr. G, tell me only the nut bags would do away with their families!😫 Thank you for working so hard this year to keep us entertained! We wuv ya, Dr.G!! Happy New Year!!!
This is actually very rare. It does not make me question if I am capable of this at all. I know for a fact no situation would cause me to take someone's life, except self defence of course.
Obviously it’s only nutbags who act like this. But then again, sane people sometimes go nuts.
Turn off the news and social media/internet and it doesn’t happen (almost) ever. Coincidence? I think not ;)
It's rare. Its just that we listen to so many true crime tales these days so feels like it's more common.
If you were mistreated as a child, had genetic predisposition for mental illness and awful life circumstances which triggered the psychosis - you might do something similar also. But if you had relatively good childhood, have no mental illness and life is good - the chance of doing something like this is probably 0
This title is insane omgg!!
i clicked so fast 🏃♀️💨
"Sword and pillow" didn't even knew that this martial art existed
You think that's insane?Wait till you hear the entire story
😂@@Ffootagefetish
@@Ffootagefetishyes she is definitely nuts smh
So cruel, so disturbing. It’s just unimaginable that someone could do this to their own children.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this case, Dr. Grande. ❤
What a case! Thanks for your interesting analysis of this situation, Dr. Grande. ❤ I learn a lot from your videos every day. ❤
Sounds like he didn't want a divorce cause he was living off of her.
how ? he had that disney job and was happy with it. he left it for her
He quit the Disney job for another job, which he later quit. It said he was then a stay at home dad. But regardless, it’s not ok to kill your partner for being lazy. And we probably only have the testimony of his murderer to evaluate whether he was good at being a SATD or not, so I would take it with a grain of salt. I also wouldn’t trust Chris Watts to evaluate his dead wife.
Always such great analysis! Thanks Dr Grande such a great story teller. Happy New Year’s!
It’s very telling reading comments of people almost justifying the wife’s behavior due to laziness on the part of the man. If the roles were reversed, there would be absolutely zero sympathy for the husband. Consider that some men fall into deep depression caring for their children and being married to a discontented and emotionally unhinged woman. She didn’t love her children or her husband. This is extremely horrific yet people try to understand this ruthless killer. How many house wives have become alcoholics that binge watch shows on Netflix while letting the children and the home go completely to hell? Do the kids deserve to die? Does the wife deserve to be hacked up over 90 times with a samurai sword? Certainly not. Imagine that 4 out of 8 on the jury did not want her to suffer the death penalty. Insane.
I'm not too sure that if the roles were reversed that there would be 0 sympathy for the husband. Because I remember way back in chris watts' case some people were blaming his wife for constantly being online and having an MLM wife. Neither deserves whatever happened to them. And both killers should have just ended their marriage *sigh* (People will justify whatever they feel like I guess)
@@jhisk exactly this was tragic period
Chris Watts case is an example with reversed roles. People blame Shannan all the time. As well as Nicole
@@jhiskYes.
@@NatBKyiv I've never heard of the wife been blamed in the Chris Watts case not that she should have.
Have a happy New Year's, Dr. Grande! Thanks for another year of awesome, thought- provoking, unique, valuable content. I appreciate your work so much
I appreciate your comment about her not seeing herself as the source of her own happiness, but believing it would come from an external source.
Thanks!
Sad when a woman with a husband who’s never grown up has actual kids. But she could have bailed.
She chose to have kids with a childman, remember that
@@kingcosworth2643 true
@@kingcosworth2643 I'm sure she expected that he would mature as most humans are expected to but was sadly disappointed. No excuse for what she did though, she should have just gone through with the divorce despite her husband's protestations.
Murders innocent people and she sits in prison. Ridiculous.
Happy New Year Dr Grande 🎄 Thank you for all the hard work and dedication 🌺
Dr. Thank you as always for your keen supportive work.
I appreciate the videos.
Was going to start by saying that in this case, but then caught myself thinking, and want to say that in all cases, support for the developing child in the form of love and nurturing is a root component for adulthood and social development. Get a bad deal as a child, and our subject matter will sadly become a discussion paper.
Innocent children/ families are torn apart by the consequences of the crimes committed.
My question to you is, are there enough people switched on to this one truth that we really need to get going with child welfare if we care about our children and humanity in general !
I think that this IS that serious a social disorder. Cheers
I'm surprised she didn't try to for "he killed my children, so I killed him"
Yeah. The Chris Watts defense. I thought she'd go there. It fit the evidence better.
Happy New Year Dr. and Mrs. Grande! Thank you for another year of great content.
I can’t imagine two men wanting her
You'd be surprised. Men's bar can get pretty low.
All children are meant to be Loved and cherished!!! Not for only 18 years!!! Their whole lives!!!
Happy New Year Dr Grande and family and all of you from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 🇨🇦
Why didn't she just leave?? Abandoning her kids and husband would have been better than murdering them!
Her husband was such a loser. I don’t understand why she didn’t just leave him. No need to drag the kids into this.
Dude, she had dreams... U think dreams don't have meaning? Study pyscology of carl Jung before u sound like a idiot
You Suck. 😶
😢😢😢 Why? How? I will never understand these murderous evil monsters.
I was thinking about getting back into the dating scene. Now I'm not so sure.
After watching a crime video I hypotize which personality disorder/mental problems could have the killer and then go to your channel to check it out.
Thank you very much, because of one such video I understood that the boy I was dating probably has BPD and now I'm free and full or energy I didn't have before, he made me suffer a lot
Of course it was premeditated!! If the husband had been the murderer, the jury would have had no hesitation giving the death penalty.
The death penalty is barbaric.
@@klauswigsmith She definitely gave the death penalty to her children and her husband in a most the most violent way
Yes but she was a lunatic. Expect better of a state in civilized country.,
Nah, eye for an eye is realistic.@@klauswigsmith
@@nowayhosay50 You know that innocent people have been sent to jail and put to death in the United States, right?
As long as human error exists, the death penalty should be unthinkable.
But sadly some people are so bloodthirsty, they let that could their reason and judgement.
Starts off the video saying he's not diagnosing. Proceeds to diagnose.
Those beautiful babies... 😭
Here’s to a Happy New Year with Dr Grande and his followers 🎉!
She was probably devastated that her husband was a total loser and her kids liked her husband more than her. In fact I bet it got to the point where the 3 of them thought she was the problem. And she obviously thought all 3 of them was the problem. Very sad, why the f didn't she just leave.
Thank you King for going off
One wanted a four-bedroom house and wanted someone else to get it for her, instead of work for it herself. The other wanted to be a stay-at-home-dad, but play video games all day. Two losers, one turned out to be a psychopath. Two kids never get to grow up to be anything. There is nothing good about this. Probably never will be.
Maybe the kids are better off without 2 losers?
Dude! his wife was capable of murdering his kids, and him while he begged for his life. Do you really think that she was a good wife until that point? She was probably the reason he was depressed. Nothing wrong working 40 hours a week for a modest wage. Some people don't need crazy amounts of money to be happy.
LoL@"probably never will be", yeah I'd say that ship has sailed.
Why should she work for it herself when they both had two kids. She didn’t have the children alone. He was lazy, and never contributed.. she was working outside the home and still doing all the cooking, cleaning when she got back home. I mean it’s not right what she did, but my God I understand ! Men, you guys are so disgusting and useless sometimes. You guys will murder a woman for coughing the wrong way, for not making your dinner, for rejecting you; but judge her for having what was most likely a complete mental breakdown.
@@cht2162 there are people whose lives are so terrible they kill themselves to escape it.
Dr. Grande, I liked your use of the adjective “abject”. 😎 👩🏫
This is horrible!!! And so sad.even though he was lazy...I still cannot imagine the disgust, fatigue, and disdain she had for her husband . So sad it came to this, i wonder what the warning signs were.
She kept watching their 'Kill Bill' DVD over and over and over.
Maybe he had the same feelings for her. She obviously had zero ambition
@@kingcosworth2643He was a grown man, she was probably the primary caretaker and working cuz he was lazy, and even though he stayed home he still never bothered to clean or parent the kids. So a woman is working hard, coking home from work just to work some more when a grown man has been home all day and refuses to help.
@@Dita1994bouhouhou ill become lazy and unmotivated too if i was stuck with an evil psychopath. Never thought that maybe She was draining him? Lazyness and letting yourself go are the first sign of dépression but go ahead and défend this evil woman
I’m so tired of people getting partnered and having kids and then deciding they don’t want to do it anymore. She should have sucked it up, got divorced, let the kids live with the dad, and paid child and spousal support until the kids reached 18.
your typical WMAF couples
That's why I play my bass and smoke pot all day. Video game addicts are looked down on, eh doc?
Very informative video, Dr. Grande! I would love your analysis on the Guy Heinze Jr. case.
Can you imagine hacking someone up with a samari sword? That is particularly heinous and evil.
Thank you for the analysis Dr. Grande 🙏
What an unimaginable act. Wow!
She could have said that her husband killed the kids and that she lost it and took the sword to him. It would have been credible and she would have escaped responsibility.
He said she was mentally challenged at the very beginning.
That's what Watts said.
Thankfully she wasn’t smart enough to think of that. The ex that she hooked up with dodged a bullet, or sword.
@@ExpandingHeart Dodged a sword, nice one! 😂😂
She still would have been found out. That is exactly what Chris Watts said.
Omg she was my neighbor in Rowland heights!! New tenants had a yard sale they said the apartment had bad juju! No tenants pasted more than 6mo. ( seems like is normal now)
Absolutely it was premeditated! She wanted to be with this other person, but the person didn’t want to be the other guy in a triangle and her husband wouldn’t grant her divorce and I’m convinced she hated her children
Dr G, your shirt is tripping me out, the plaid is moving 😂
She wanted him to be ambitious but she was only a waiter
Thank you❤Happy New Year 2024🎉May GOD Bless Us, Amen❤❤❤
I don't understand the controversy around the death penalty in such cases. She is a monster.