I've got the diamond in the rough...the early 2007 LBZ. No emissions, 6 speed allison trans, no fuel injector issues...truck has 175k on it and runs fine. I bought it for 24k with 100k miles on it. New trucks are crazy expensive.
My local Jeep dealer has reasonable prices (at least so far). The Ford dealer does not. If it is something I can't or don't want to fix I take it to a local shop that does good work for reasonable prices. Of course like everything there are some really great independents out there and also some really lousy ones.
I agree, or just try to do any of the work yourself. I just had my 2002 2500hd Duramax in the shop to replace the master cylinder and the fuel filter housing along with the fuel filter and a tranny flush, and a new wheel hub. IT WAS OVER $4,000 with $2,500 of that being in labor cost!!
It’s 2018 and I got my lb7 for $13,000. Only 125k miles and 0 issues, as far as I know after driving 1,000 miles. Love this truck so much and have NO intentions on getting rid of it. No rust whatsoever as this truck came from an elderly gentleman in North Carolina and he took amazing care of it.
take a look at the 2018 Tacoma trd sport. has a 6-speed manual, a tad under 300 hp, 4wd, all for 35ish k. and it probably will never die. being a Toyota anyway.
I previously had a 2005 dodge ram 2500 cummins which I bought for $18k with 70,000 miles. It now sits at 350,000 miles and still runs with regular maintenance. There's no beating a truck built to work
I currently have a 2001 duramax that I bought for 10k and it needed injectors. Replaced injectors and have about 19k in truck total minus oil changes and it's at 375,000 mile and still runs great. Had 160k on it when I purchased truck in 09. It's all about how you maintain a truck. Brand new ones need oil changed same as old ones do so that's irrelevant.
I own a 2004 2500 Silverado I installed new brakes and new rotors on all four wheels for less than $250. I did it myself so there was no labor cost and it took less than 2 hours. I tow a big fifth wheel. I say you paid way too much for the brake job.
Whered you get new rotors and pads for less than 250 front and rear? Theres no way you put decent aftermarket shit on for that cheap, when an OEM set would approach 700 bucks in parts alone.
Moral of the story, learn basic mechanics and fix your own stuff... 1,000 for brakes!? $100 oil changes! $3,500 for injectors!? Yikes! Have fun with your new $60,000 diesel... you will still have problems with it.. more so with emission related things...
Ian Thompson the prices for injectors alone are fairly expensive. I don't know if I would be doing injectors in my back yard. Maybe on a cummins but that's about it
the lb7 duramax has no emissions equipment dumbass. oil changes on my 2004 were $50 IF that for 10 quarts of oil and wix filter. fuel filter is every 10k and was $15 for a wix.
Great truck! After 8 years and 270,xxx miles later my 2500 still runs flawless and has never failed me. I'll get another 2500 in a few years and it will be new as well.
$14,500 + $8,000 = $22,500 for this truck MSRP of a current year model Chevy 2500 crew cab 4x4 diesel LT with no other options selected = $51,160 in my area Food for thought.
$22,500 for this truck. If he sells within some years, he can make $10k-$12k. That brings it down to almost $10k to have had the truck for as long as he did, minus gas. New Chevy 2500 = $51k as you said. Depreciation and probable repairs will not be in his favor.
And the new trucks need DEF, more attention maintenance and have more failure prone sensors.... I guess if you get a 100k warranty, then the latter isn't such a big deal but...
Love the video. I contemplated buying used vs new for over a year. Your videos made me come to same decision as you and purchased a 2016 Denali Duramax. I NEVER thought I would buy anything New, this was an exception
I have a 2002 Gmc Sierra 6.0L with 240,000 miles on it and it still runs strong! I've only changed the brakes twice,and replaced the center console did it myself all less than $250.
I’m not a truck guy at all but I really liked this video. I think Andre has to be the most underrated car reviewer on RUclips. We need more videos of Andre he is the most down to earth and he explains things very well
What a great video.....soft music, nice scenery, and well spoken facts. I have the exact same truck but a 2001 Silverado 2500 HD diesel. I have done all the maintenance that you have and my truck now has 350,000 miles. It is running great and in two weeks I am having the entire front suspension rebuilt. The injectors were replaced at 100,000 miles and i haven't had a bit of problems in the last 200,000 miles. It's better for me to keep this wonderful truck running rather than buy an expensive new model. Thanks for the good video.
Marlon Johnson How? He is upset about basic maintenance. Clearly not someone who knows cars or trucks. Start working on your own vehicle and those costs are cut down to a fraction of what you spent, and they are all easy jobs except the trans without a shop. Yep but an equivalent new truck and spend your $70,000+, and still have to do basic maintenance.
I didn't see it as him being upset about basic maintenance just a warning about the average cost of maintaining a heavy duty truck for those who may be unaware.
@@chandlerthoma9173 it's not that expensive for an oil change. $17 for 4 quarts. 17x3= $51 for 12 quarts(duramax needs 10) oil filter is $10-20. By changing your own oil you save almost a 1/3 of the cost of a stealership. The updated Bosh injectors for the lb7 run around $1800-2100. So again you save 1/3 the price of the dealership. So in 8 year you could have saved around $1600-1700 If you did the work yourself.
to Me? u have a Diesel HD pickup.... this is just normal wear n tear... kind of the cost of having a Diesel Toy Truck... and that truck is barely broken in, those are meant for a LOT more miles then that... just replace the seat when you get tired of the tears and that'll last more then double that many miles easy, but I do see where if you got the money for a new truck all the new smart toys their offering can be tempting... just don't scoff and call that truck bad things cause it needed regular maintenance
if you started doin Real Work and Serious Miles with the Pickup? You'd start to see how cheap that maintenance really is and appreciate how valuable it is...
Chris Rowlison everything he had to fix besides the injectors was due to hard use as a farm truck. he should have known it was going to have issues because of how it was used for 122k miles.
rjw261984 lol I was trying not to rag too hard on the previous owner... mostly cause the previous owner probly knew the tranny was goin out and sold it for that reason alone, he didn't wanna replace it....though I've heard of people that replaced the transmission right after they got it at 150k miles and then haven't had to bother with it since and they have put another 200k HARD miles on it since then with no trouble... though that's a 2001 F350 SRW
Chris Rowlison true, he was prob just looking at the price vs what it was used for. My last silverado was a fleet vehicle used by a supervisor. 2001 2500hd 8.1L, had excellent service records and only thing i had to replace besides normal wear and tear was the fuel pump. Bought a delphi for just over $300 and lifted the bed off. I sold it with 230k miles and it still ran like a champ!
Chris Rowlison I wouldn't call it normal wear and tear. Normal would mean a worn seat, not torn. It really took a beating but the duramax motors are solid.
I have a 2002 chevy Silverado 2500 got it at 122k 9 months ago sense then I've had to put new injectors, new fuel, line new break line, new fuel pump with filter, new throttle position sensor, new up and downstream 02 sensors, exhaust gaskets, there was a transmission failure then a torque converter failure then a transmission line blew while making a sharp turn from the steering arms pinching it, I've replaced my rear differential cover had to clean grounds, delt with a random misfire 3 times, replaced the crankshaft position sensor and did a relearn, the ac clutch went out shortly after ac controls stopped working. I'm now at 138k.... it's been a rough little bit of time owning the truck needless to say.
Great review! I always enjoy watching reviews from this guy. I like the truck. I have a 2005 Silverado 2500Hd with the LLY duramax. I bought it with 108,xxx miles for $25,000. It's been a great truck. I have 4" straight pipe, 3" MBRP down pipe, PCV reroute, S&B turbo inlet, 3" charge tubes (inner cooler pipes) and an EFI LIVE tune with the dsp5 switch. Maintenance wise: Front Wheel hubs, 4wd transfer case replacement, I replaced the front end (tie rods....etc.) I haul livestock with my truck. It's been a great truck. No complaints.
JoJo Bear's Adventures it's funny I flip back and forth on this one...for the most part I think new or next to new is the way to go. I have had both in a diesel...first off let's be real ..not many people shell out 50k upfront..they finance like most of us..but even for a used one whis let's say 10-20k ..a lot of people don't have that to pay upfront so they get a used car loan which is more than likely is going to be higher interest. so for easy math let's say the used truck is 500$ per month and the new is $900 per month. now factor in the value of (it's latest model probably more power better brakes more gadgets smells amazing everytime you get in it...oh and WARRANTY) plus won't need tires brakes ect for a while ...now used truck..less money per month ..less for insurance in some cases ...don't have to care as much about door dings and dirty shoes ...sounds great BUT garenteed somthing is in need of changing...whether it's oil brakes tires or even a new windshield..AND you are out of warranty and then somthing BIG goes..like tranny or turbo..which is thousands and it always happens when you really don't have the $$ lol.. anyway just my opinion and experience...I really hate I mean hate the big truck payments..but end of the day..I know I can jump in my truck pull a 18 thousand lb 5th wheel down to California and back without any hiccups..and if I do...straight to the dealer she goes! :)
The injector problem is common for all diesels. At 20,000 + psi any contaminant will scar them. I replaced mine under warranty at 75,000 then at 242,000 it happened again. My friend said take the water trap off and fill with sea foam which I did. I added sea foam to the fuel for several fill ups and used biodiesel for six months. The injectors are fine now. Brakes were fine at 200,000 but changed them anyway. The issue is brake line rust-through. Great video
I have a 96 Ford F150 with 5.0L Windsor V8 with 203,368 miles on it and it's still going strong. the only thing I replaced on my truck was the starter but other than that most of every thing else was simple maintenance and my mechanic cleaned out the transmission fluid just to get rid of the shuttering it was making hasn't had a problem ever since.
You were lucky you got the 5.8. I bought a 97 F150 with the 4.6 Triton and after owning that truck it put me off from ever buying another Ford truck. The 351 was a great motor. If you ever buy another used truck stay away from the 4.6/5.4/ and 6.8.
Amen. I have the trusty 4.9 inline six. In mine. I put over 120miles on it daily hualing heavy. Not a single issue since I bought it 4 yrs ago. Well it does valve noise but a heavier 20w 50 oil fixed that.
I live in Canada, a new Diesel HD 3/4 ton or 1 ton SRW with even a few bells and whistles is still easily $75K to even $80K. But the exchange rate here is the kicker is why. I'll never own/buy a Brand New Truck unless I win Lotto Max. But I've driven the same 2001 Truck now for two and a half years now, I've put a lot of time, and money into it's upkeep and it's be an amazing truck to me. It had a rebuilt transmission put in it literally a week before I bought it privately. Plus it's an F350 and it's got 4WD it's an XL trim so I just have basic stuff like manual locks, windows, mirrors etc. But I installed an aftermarket stereo system in it, a Curt trailer brake controller, an upgraded LED display 7-Way trailer plug, and I replaced the front bench seat with lariat seats with center console. The truck's a Crew Cab, Long bed and I love having the long wheel base combined with 4WD, makes for an excellent Winter time vehicle and trailer puller. I would never settle for anything less than a Full Ton truck, the weight, GVWR, size, length, height etc makes me feel safer with driving, especially in the dark with wildlife as well as if I was to get hit in an accident. I've got no time or desire for any half ton truck, they just don't have the GVWR capacity as a good old 1 ton.
Wow.. I have the same truck, 02 6.6 Duramax/Allison. Bought mine new late 02 for about $42k and had no major issues, injectors are good, original brakes are still at about 40%. I run oversized 285/17 tires which may have contributed to a bad idler arm and left lower ball joint wear and I replaced the glow plugs myself. My mistake was letting the dealer do my oil changed for the first 10 years, even on special it cost $100 each time. Now I do it myself, change the fuel filter & spin on tranny filter every other time and grease it regularly and the cost is about $50 to do it right. The dealer never changed the fuel filter, or tranny filter or even greased all 11 grease fitting. Maybe that's what caused the bad idler? With new 2500HDs costing $60-70k, I'm running mine until the wheels fall off and can't be put back on. If you've got money to burn buy new but if you need a good truck at a fair price, buy used and spend a few dollars to fix it up.
Great review however I agree with most of the comments here, the prices you pay for repair are in the high side. I do upholstery on the side and I fixed my brothers 2002 gmc 2500 seat. While I had the truck I drove it into Hollywood. It has an has a long bed with a a 8 inch lift. Going over Laurel Canyon was a hoot! Great running truck with 178k and no major issues. It’s in Utah now going from Salt Lake to Park City everyday. Will get the same truck when I move there!
Thank you for the great review! I will be buying my first pickup in a year or two and I am planning to go the HD route. Definitely will go with an older model but this gives me a good heads up on what I am looking forward to.
I agree with you 100% on buying new, André. I have a 2004 Chevy Avalanche Z71 and it still looks and operates as new. Also, when the engine is broken in properly and quality fully synthetic oil is used it will never use any oil. At least my trucks don't. As much as I admire HD trucks I've come to the conclusion that a half ton model will do the job just fine with far less maintenance costs versus a Diesel. I especially like how the Chevrolet half ton with the 6.2 Liter performed in TFL's tests. Unless you're towing full time a well equipped gasoline model will serve you just fine with a lower cost of ownership.
Invincible Osprey I couldn't agree more. Diesels are a nice option but the chances of recouping the initial capital outlay coupled with higher fuel prices and maintenance issues & costs makes them fall short of ever being a wise investment. $8,000+ buys a lot of fuel ⛽️
LD ODOM Yep. I would just shake my head when people bought the VW TDi's. As much as I wanted them to make sense they just never did. I drive about 50K miles a year with work and I really, really wanted them to make sense. They just never did.
I would buy new too if it were an option for me, but it isn't. I mean, you'll eventually have the same problems no matter if you buy new or used or how well you take care of it. I think Andre got more than his money's worth out of that truck, but he knew what to look for and repair. You take care of your vehicles, and they will take care of you.
I bought used (02 avalanche z71) with 250,000 when I got it. Now at 280,000, had a few small issues (needed brakes, fluids), but other than that it runs great, I'm genuinely surprised at how little I've had to do to keep it happy and in good running shape.
Great video andre I miss my 2004 duramax bad after watching this, I also had a few issues with mine at around 280k, head gasket and injectors but for 280k, not too bad considering it had a tune and full exhaust 👌
headcas620 True, but I find that changing my own oil doesn't save me that much. I know of a lot of shops that charge only about $10 more than it would cost for 5 quarts of some synthetic and a filter. I mostly just do it myself because I like doing it.
Nice review Andre. And this is why we chose not to buy a used diesel truck. $ 5k injector repair? No thanks. We opted for the super reliable Ford 250 V10. No regrets thus far. Never breaks a sweat towing our tow hauler. The best truck I have ever owned.
Jesse Hernandez Lemme guess, you're a Chevy guy? I'm not biased towards any one particular manufacturer, but I have towed with Chevy and Tundra. The F250 V10 is by far the best motor I have towed with. It's really effortless for the V10. The Chevy and Toyota had to Rev high to produce power needed. the v10 doesnt.
My statement comes from former employers to neighbors to uncles all buying that v10 and wishing they wouldve bought something different. Yea im partial to chevy/gmc because theyve been good to me but i am a big fan of the super duties as well.
Jesse Hernandez Right on. I own a Chevy Express for the past 6 years. No complaints, no problems. The biggest regret I hear from people about the v10 is the fuel economy. However put that aside, everything else about the truck is fantastic.
Great review, but your average shadetree mechanic truck owner could cut the maintenance costs he's reporting by well over 50% by doing simple jobs themselves.
I do not get a few things here. General maintenance should not be listed in "Top 5 Problems" since every vehicle requires this. Tires, Brakes, Fluids, Filters. All 4 Brand new Rotors and Pads from GM for your truck are $800. Why did you have to replace the torque converter and transmission pump when it leaked fluid from the trans to transfer case adapter seal. So you drove it when it was low on fluid? The LB7 did have injector issues which usually failed just under 100k miles, but the replacements are updated and shouldn't have that issue for a long time. Glad GM moved the Injectors to the outside of the valve cover after that. The 2006-2007 Duramax LBZ is the best Duramax Made in my opinion.
The 01 and 02 to me are the best looking body of the GMC/Chevy 2500HD’s made. I have a Black 2001 Chevy 2500HD Duramax Excab 4x4 with only 93,000 miles in very good shape. Enjoy your video’s. Keep your 02 2500 it’s a classic.
Yeessss. This is what I've been wanting you guys to move into since the beginning. Your rocker panels and rear fenders will go as soon as you let them as well. Keep them clean.
My neighbor has the same truck and it’s got over 300k miles on it and he still drives it daily and all he’s had to do is general maintenance on it so safe to say if you take care of these things they’ll last forever!😂
Andre, you are more of a positive person than me. To me this seems like a lot of issues. I bought my used 2002 Tacoma in 2008 and drove it for 8 years. Only replaced water pump/timing chains and regular oil changes.
nice video! my dad has the same truck but 2005 with the LLY. I usually do the Oil changes and fuel filters on it. about $35 for 2.5 gallons of 15W-40 oil at Walmart plus $6 for a filter. these trucks are very easy to change oil on. I buy fuel filters online in bulk. OEM ACdelco for about $30 a piece. the fuel filter is easy to change, I usually do it in 15 minutes. I need to make a How to video on that! anyway, good video as always.
I have the exact same truck purchased used with 118,000 miles on it. When I bought it it had been sitting in a garage for two years due to a divorce. I had it towed to a diesel repair shop and had all fuel removed from the truck, replaced all fuel lines and filters, new batteries. It ran fine for about a year and then I had to have injectors replaced. $4200 but I also had a few other things done at the same time. Diesel fuel will slime up if left sitting around for a long time and these engines apparently are prone to clogged injectors. It now has close to 200,000 on it and most of that is hauling tractors(heaviest tractor is 6k+ pounds) and such around Alabama. I rarely use it to drive around town as I have an old model Bronco and a car I drive around. I take it, and all my vehicles to a local guy for oil changes, brakes, etc. He charges $79 to do an oil change on this truck which isn't bad for 10 quarts of synthetic. I consider oil changes and brakes to be normal wear and tear as you are going to have to do this on any vehicle. Why not include tires as being expensive? A new truck(be it GMC, Ford, or Dodge)similar to mine will cost over $60k and I will still have to have oil changes done. If you finance a new truck for 72 months at 0% interest your payments will be well over $800 per month. Unless you are spending $800 a month in repairs(repairs...not maintenance) then used is a good route to go. Of course you will have bluetooth, a backup camera, and that new car smell to go along with those payments.
I'm definitely a buy new person, more so on these HD's. They'll last as long as they're maintained. Maintenance cost and the ease of do it yourself drove me to the Cummins. My 3500 has lived it's life at a GCWR of 30,000 and the maintenance is still cheaper than my wife's Subaru Outback.
If I got a brand new Diesel truck I’d delete the EGR/DPF for longevity reasons I don’t care if the EPA doesn’t like it it’s my truck and nobody has the right to tell me what I’m gonna do with my Diesel Truck because I paid damn good money for it and I’m gonna do whatever I think I should do to keep my truck for the long haul
Man I have the same truck. I took it into the mechanic the other day and they wanted $4500 to replace parts plus labor. I ended up spending $500 on parts and was able to do it myself with no previous mechanical knowledge. I'm 21 and I will try to never go to a mechanic again.
Fuel additives buddy!!! Yes those years were prone but every fill up add fuel additive!!!!! Archoil is a great product. I run 3 duramax's with over 196,000 on original injectors
@Tfltruck, Andre I too feel the same about my old truck. I love my 96 powerstroke with passion, but like you if I ever purchase a new truck, I want to actually be new, that way I know the history of the vehicle. Yes this may be an OBS Ford that I have owned for 5 years but the experience i wouldn't even trade it. I drive my truck about 9000 miles annually, spend about $250-300 annually for in maintenance, and about $100 monthly in fuel.
My good friend had a 2002 Silverado 1500, and it never gave him any problems. Even had the same brake pads when we checked at 217K. Sold it at 235k. The interior showed wear. That’s all.
I love this year silverado with the hd front ends!!! Would you buy a new diesel with all the emissions stuff or would you switch to gas if you purchased a new truck?
Nick Adams I have a 15 Silverado with the Duramax engine here in New York City its fine as long as use the proper additives to increase the cetane rating so it burns cleaner Plus you got occasionally take it on the highway once in a while and .onitor engine temps
I did neither. Recently bought a mint 75k mile 2005 Sierra 2500HD Crew Cab 4x4 6.0 gasser. I drive it pretty gingerly and get 14.5 mpgs. I needed a heavy duty truck but didn't need the diesel. I just wanted something to handle my 6k travel trailer effortlessly. Which it does.
My aunt bought the exact same truck, same color, new in 2002. The transmission went out at 37,000 miles and GM wouldn't cover it. Since then it's been typical GM...rusting away, electrical issues, interior falling apart, creaks and rattles, etc.
***** You may call bullshit on the whole thing if you want. But, that's exactly what happened to her. Truck had a 3 yr/36,000 mile warranty, and it was just barely out of that period when the trans. decided to shit the bed. GM did nothing for her and she kept the truck for a few more years and hasn't owned a GM product since. She was big into horses, which is why she had a HD truck.
89Hols i would never buy a diesel unless i absolutely needed to tow over 10,000 lbs on a regular basis, maintenance costs are high and when you need new injectors it will cost a fortune
My brother has the same year truck with duramax. 320000 miles and it's a really great reliable truck. Got bad diesel once at the pump and the stations insurance covered the $9000 bill to replace the whole fuel delivery system. So no expensive injector worries for him Edit: these Duramax have the cheap injectors (400/piece) newer ones are 700/piece and up
GETaYOTA The price of the injectors isn't what makes changing them expensive. They're under the valve cover so they are huge pain to get to. Most of the shop bill was probably labor
I bout my 91 f150 for 300 bucks it had 250,000 miles. now it has 271,000 in three months. I replaced my injectors and filters and brakes. I just wanted to make sure it was in perfect shape and it is. if you don't want to pay for someone to do the work for you pick up a wrench and do it your self. I'm 17 and work for Marc's in berea and I cut grass for the city. my costs were nothing under 500 all in all. discs,drums,rotors,filters,injectors,battery. all new and no problems.
I just got a 2001 like yours, same color and all but with the 8.1L gas. Had to replace the Allison transmission right away. No indication of problems until I put a 6500 lb trailer on it then it overheated within 30 miles. Dealer covered labor thank goodness. My cost was $4062. Now, two weeks later I'm told what I thought was a bad belt tensioner noise is a rear main seal spinning? Drop the tranny again. $1400. Uggg.
I got a 8.1 gas in a 2004 3500 with Allison tranny 262,000 miles still going. It stays hooked up to the 24ft gooseneck that weighs 5,5000 lbs it’s self. Usually hauling hay 5x5 or 4x5 round rolls. 14 to 16 bales at a time.
for everybodies information.... painting over rust WILL NOT STOP the rust.... once rust has started you have to cut the metal off or sand/grind it all the way down to shiny rust free metal.. you will never stop the progress of rust with paint
Interesting and informative, but really just regular maintenance of a diesel truck. I got a 2011 f250 diesel and I loved all the amenities and features but it ate me out of house and home just in all the expensive maintenance. Spending only 8k on all of that, and most of that is waaay over priced as I can do it myself much cheaper, is a blessing compared to the cost of maintaining and repairing my newer super duty. I got rid of it even though I loved it and I am planning on getting me another old duramax, pre emissions engine, and just enjoying a solid truck without all the expensive bells and whistles. I thought about buying a brand new diesel but one look at the price tag is enough to sober me up. 60k or more just to match the truck like Andre's and my old super duty (xlt crew cab fx4 with the 6.7l) is outrageous and god help you when it needs repair. Owning a diesel truck is expensive, that's a reality I have known since I was a kid long before we even had Turbo diesels in pickups, and you just have to get used to it as a part of life.
That's a lotta $$$ in labor for relatively low/standard maintenance. Do some of the things yourself and you'll save a TON of money. Replacing brake rotors and pads, for example, are super easy to DIY. Personally, I think a ~3 year old car/truck with somewhere around 50,000 miles or less is the sweet spot. It's barely broken in and has depreciated by around 40%.
I still wouldn't buy a domestic brand new, but if i were to buy a domestic used it would be certified so i at least had something to back it up. Still happy i bought my Tacoma, it's been a great vehicle.
guero Bajo there overrated everyone thinks there so great but there aren't and there pretty expensive you can get a full sized truck for the same money.
I have an 05 2500hd with a 6.0 love the truck I bought it in May of 2020 for $9.900 it had 205.000 miles. Yeah alot of miles. Recently spent $2.800 because the transfer case and driveline needed replaced. But the truck should still last a long time.
I worked as a service technician for Cadillac, Hummer (rip), and Chevy for 12 years. Heck i work on my own cars. Plus i still have GM discount for parts.
1000$ for brakes? Holy shit! they didn't even give you new rotors dude they straight jipped you. you should find a good mom and pop shop. dealerships are greedy places I bet the mechanic didn't even see 90 of that 1000 dollars
Andre is great and so is that truck! All trucks have their issues, this one unfortunately is injectors. Purchase price + maintenance - resale = about 100 bucks a month if he were to sell it now. And that's including maintenance that other trucks will need as well. Try to have less out of pocket monthly with anything new. Keep up the good work TFL
I have this truck, but the 1500 version. It is the exact same color 2002 Chevy Silverado 1500 with the ls interior package and the 5.3 v8. My only complaints about this truck is the brakes are not the greatest, but I have been told that this is common on these trucks. My other complaint is rust. When I bought my truck, the rockers had been replaced with brand new ones because the old ones were so badly rusted out. The bottoms of the doors are just starting to rust, the rear wheel wells of the truck are extremely rusty (my fender flares mostly cover that up), and the bottom strip on the tailgate has rust that seems to be starting to get deep. Other than that the truck is as mechanically sound as can be (other than the clunk it makes when you put it in reverse, but I'm told that that's also normal), and everything works as it should. Being the ls package, it has cloth seats and none of them are torn. The drivers seat also shows very little wear at all and the truck has 170,000 on it.
dilsher12 really? So what do you all swap out on the brakes? Do you do the rotors, the calipers, and the caliper brackets? I am guessing that you can only swap the fronts because the gmt 900's have rear drum brakes.
They're really good trucks. My uncle had a 2001 2500 and fell asleep doing 80 on the highway and rolled it 4 times. Thing was completely crushed besides the windshield which saved his life. My dad then gave him his 98 with 160k miles not soon after since he didn't need it, and its still going at 260k with frequent oil changes. My dad recently just bought a 2014 gmc 5.3
Joseph Costello wow, your uncle is very lucky. I am definitely expecting to get that kind of mileage or better out of my truck. If I ever upgrade trucks and get a nice diesel, I am keeping this truck and it will definitely be my winter beater.
Most of what he mentioned was maintenance and somewhat expected issues for a 15 year old truck with over 150,000 miles. My view is always that once you go past 10 years/150,000 miles, as long as your main powertrain is holding together well then you are just fine. Random smaller parts going out and cosmetic issues are expected at that point in time.
Yep that is somewhat normal for a domestic truck, expensive injectors replaced, torque converter replaced all before 164xxx miles, i wonder how many more expensive repairs it would need and how much it would cost to drive that thing up to a million miles? did you see how many repairs that Tundra has needed to reach a million miles and towing an enclosed trailer for 90% of these miles? it only needed an alternator and have reverse fixed at over 700xxx miles, and the seat in the Tundra had no rips in it either and the badge didn't fall off LMFAO
guy proulx There are more GM trucks that have reached a million miles than Toyotas. Good try injecting your negative biases into these common things for all vehicles. Keep up your spin efforts. Toyota loves people like you who work for them for free.
Dale Couture those GM trucks that reached a million miles were probably all diesels, do they have a service record to see how many parts and rebuilds they needed to reach a million miles?, like i always said, you can make any vehicle reach a million miles as long as you keep dumping money into them
Dale Couture educating me lmao, aren't you the one that mentioned there were lots of million mile GM trucks, you should be able to back up what you say and if you send a link for a million mile GM or Chevy i want the proof that the engine never needed a rebuild and a list of all the repairs it needed
I love the new ram and gmc but I'd go with a used stock LB7, yes the injectors aren't the greatest, $1300 for OEM and $1800 for bosh but if you run clean diesel fuel the injectors should last 200,000 to 300,000 miles, depending on your driving, that's under 300 a year for the injectors.
You can buy the Delo 400 15w-40 oil, 3 gallons, from Costco right now for $30 and buy a Mobil 1-303 filter for the truck for about $12 from any auto parts store. Do the oil change yourself for under $45.
Still a pretty truck, love that generation.
Douglas Wainwright its “cute”
Like a rock. All longtime Chevy owners would know.
Still got the truck 5 years later??
@@JoeyD3I do, and there’s no problems whatsoever. It’s got 250k miles, no issues.
I've got the diamond in the rough...the early 2007 LBZ. No emissions, 6 speed allison trans, no fuel injector issues...truck has 175k on it and runs fine. I bought it for 24k with 100k miles on it. New trucks are crazy expensive.
I’m pretty sure they fixed the injector issue in 04 is it a cat eye too?
@@the_best_fish813 lb7
Stop taking it to dealers find a good local mechanic will cut cost in half. My mechanic charges 70 an hour
My local Jeep dealer has reasonable prices (at least so far). The Ford dealer does not. If it is something I can't or don't want to fix I take it to a local shop that does good work for reasonable prices. Of course like everything there are some really great independents out there and also some really lousy ones.
Ford is dam proud of everything and it really sucks!
Or do the work yourself
I agree, or just try to do any of the work yourself. I just had my 2002 2500hd Duramax in the shop to replace the master cylinder and the fuel filter housing along with the fuel filter and a tranny flush, and a new wheel hub. IT WAS OVER $4,000 with $2,500 of that being in labor cost!!
Good luck finding good mechanic, down here in the Mississippi sticks it's super hard.
It’s 2018 and I got my lb7 for $13,000. Only 125k miles and 0 issues, as far as I know after driving 1,000 miles. Love this truck so much and have NO intentions on getting rid of it. No rust whatsoever as this truck came from an elderly gentleman in North Carolina and he took amazing care of it.
For the prices new trucks are going for im never going to buy them new lol
MrMister1227 Yeah 2 model years was the newest I could go, and not even loaded. lol.
MrMister1227 yeah exactly right
MrMister1227 I’ll let the new trucks depreciate before I buy one
take a look at the 2018 Tacoma trd sport. has a 6-speed manual, a tad under 300 hp, 4wd, all for 35ish k. and it probably will never die. being a Toyota anyway.
What? You don't want $900 a month payments?
Start wrenching your own truck, dude. It's going to be a fraction of your costs, and you'll have a sense of pride that only gearheads know...
I previously had a 2005 dodge ram 2500 cummins which I bought for $18k with 70,000 miles. It now sits at 350,000 miles and still runs with regular maintenance. There's no beating a truck built to work
nv5600 or g56? Either way, I want that exact truck.
Johnathan Yinger Unfortunately nv5600, I wanted a g56
I currently have a 2001 duramax that I bought for 10k and it needed injectors. Replaced injectors and have about 19k in truck total minus oil changes and it's at 375,000 mile and still runs great. Had 160k on it when I purchased truck in 09. It's all about how you maintain a truck. Brand new ones need oil changed same as old ones do so that's irrelevant.
I own a 2004 2500 Silverado I installed new brakes and new rotors on all four wheels for less than $250. I did it myself so there was no labor cost and it took less than 2 hours. I tow a big fifth wheel. I say you paid way too much for the brake job.
agreed. a brake job is the cheapest thing you can do to your truck. and the easiest.
car care wanted over $2000. to replace brake pads and 2 rotors and one ball joint.
No way in hell that costs 2,000 lmfao.
depends what kind of brakes he got
Whered you get new rotors and pads for less than 250 front and rear? Theres no way you put decent aftermarket shit on for that cheap, when an OEM set would approach 700 bucks in parts alone.
Moral of the story, learn basic mechanics and fix your own stuff... 1,000 for brakes!? $100 oil changes! $3,500 for injectors!? Yikes! Have fun with your new $60,000 diesel... you will still have problems with it.. more so with emission related things...
Ian Thompson the prices for injectors alone are fairly expensive. I don't know if I would be doing injectors in my back yard. Maybe on a cummins but that's about it
its a $100 changing oil your self. the filter alone is at least $20 then heavy duty oil..
Tyler Conway I know they are pricey, but its a pretty easy job
the lb7 duramax has no emissions equipment dumbass. oil changes on my 2004 were $50 IF that for 10 quarts of oil and wix filter. fuel filter is every 10k and was $15 for a wix.
Mr.TooTall 939 +1000 respect for you. I try to always do my own maintenance.
Great truck! After 8 years and 270,xxx miles later my 2500 still runs flawless and has never failed me. I'll get another 2500 in a few years and it will be new as well.
$14,500 + $8,000 = $22,500 for this truck
MSRP of a current year model Chevy 2500 crew cab 4x4 diesel LT with no other options selected = $51,160 in my area
Food for thought.
That truck will also cost more with general maintenance like oil changes and brakes for the added miles
$22,500 for this truck. If he sells within some years, he can make $10k-$12k. That brings it down to almost $10k to have had the truck for as long as he did, minus gas.
New Chevy 2500 = $51k as you said. Depreciation and probable repairs will not be in his favor.
And the new trucks need DEF, more attention maintenance and have more failure prone sensors....
I guess if you get a 100k warranty, then the latter isn't such a big deal but...
Love the video. I contemplated buying used vs new for over a year. Your videos made me come to same decision as you and purchased a 2016 Denali Duramax. I NEVER thought I would buy anything New, this was an exception
I have a 2002 Gmc Sierra 6.0L with 240,000 miles on it and it still runs strong! I've only changed the brakes twice,and replaced the center console did it myself all less than $250.
eddie martin Hi, I'm looking at an 03 Silverado 6.6 with 242k. Did you do any modifications?
I have a 1999 2500 6.0 gas 213,000 miles been a very good truck. Hope I can get another 100,000 out of it.
I’m not a truck guy at all but I really liked this video. I think Andre has to be the most underrated car reviewer on RUclips. We need more videos of Andre he is the most down to earth and he explains things very well
What a great video.....soft music, nice scenery, and well spoken facts. I have the exact same truck but a 2001 Silverado 2500 HD diesel. I have done all the maintenance that you have and my truck now has 350,000 miles. It is running great and in two weeks I am having the entire front suspension rebuilt. The injectors were replaced at 100,000 miles and i haven't had a bit of problems in the last 200,000 miles. It's better for me to keep this wonderful truck running rather than buy an expensive new model. Thanks for the good video.
165,000 miles that’s nothing
Cisco right i have the same truck with 324,000 miles
I really like Andre's reviews.
Marlon Johnson How? He is upset about basic maintenance. Clearly not someone who knows cars or trucks. Start working on your own vehicle and those costs are cut down to a fraction of what you spent, and they are all easy jobs except the trans without a shop. Yep but an equivalent new truck and spend your $70,000+, and still have to do basic maintenance.
I didn't see it as him being upset about basic maintenance just a warning about the average cost of maintaining a heavy duty truck for those who may be unaware.
So you’re an idiot too.. cool.
All this guys repairs can be done for much less.
Brake job on a chevy $1000 😂😂😂😂
That's why you don't go to the dealer after your warranty is up
Sean Taylor that's why is good to know how to do maintenance like brakes and oil changes etc. Will save you money 💰
Think my brakes cost me like $60 lol.
Yeah it shouldn’t be more thank 200 per axle
@@chandlerthoma9173 it's not that expensive for an oil change. $17 for 4 quarts. 17x3= $51 for 12 quarts(duramax needs 10) oil filter is $10-20. By changing your own oil you save almost a 1/3 of the cost of a stealership. The updated Bosh injectors for the lb7 run around $1800-2100. So again you save 1/3 the price of the dealership. So in 8 year you could have saved around $1600-1700 If you did the work yourself.
to Me? u have a Diesel HD pickup.... this is just normal wear n tear... kind of the cost of having a Diesel Toy Truck... and that truck is barely broken in, those are meant for a LOT more miles then that... just replace the seat when you get tired of the tears and that'll last more then double that many miles easy, but I do see where if you got the money for a new truck all the new smart toys their offering can be tempting... just don't scoff and call that truck bad things cause it needed regular maintenance
if you started doin Real Work and Serious Miles with the Pickup? You'd start to see how cheap that maintenance really is and appreciate how valuable it is...
Chris Rowlison everything he had to fix besides the injectors was due to hard use as a farm truck. he should have known it was going to have issues because of how it was used for 122k miles.
rjw261984 lol I was trying not to rag too hard on the previous owner... mostly cause the previous owner probly knew the tranny was goin out and sold it for that reason alone, he didn't wanna replace it....though I've heard of people that replaced the transmission right after they got it at 150k miles and then haven't had to bother with it since and they have put another 200k HARD miles on it since then with no trouble... though that's a 2001 F350 SRW
Chris Rowlison true, he was prob just looking at the price vs what it was used for. My last silverado was a fleet vehicle used by a supervisor. 2001 2500hd 8.1L, had excellent service records and only thing i had to replace besides normal wear and tear was the fuel pump. Bought a delphi for just over $300 and lifted the bed off. I sold it with 230k miles and it still ran like a champ!
Chris Rowlison I wouldn't call it normal wear and tear. Normal would mean a worn seat, not torn. It really took a beating but the duramax motors are solid.
sounds like he is getting the what i call "i dont want to do it price"
Great video! It really pays a lot for doing all those maintenance done. Videos like this inspire me more to take care more of my heavy duty pickup.
I have a 2002 chevy Silverado 2500 got it at 122k 9 months ago sense then I've had to put new injectors, new fuel, line new break line, new fuel pump with filter, new throttle position sensor, new up and downstream 02 sensors, exhaust gaskets, there was a transmission failure then a torque converter failure then a transmission line blew while making a sharp turn from the steering arms pinching it, I've replaced my rear differential cover had to clean grounds, delt with a random misfire 3 times, replaced the crankshaft position sensor and did a relearn, the ac clutch went out shortly after ac controls stopped working. I'm now at 138k.... it's been a rough little bit of time owning the truck needless to say.
Great review! I always enjoy watching reviews from this guy. I like the truck. I have a 2005 Silverado 2500Hd with the LLY duramax. I bought it with 108,xxx miles for $25,000. It's been a great truck. I have 4" straight pipe, 3" MBRP down pipe, PCV reroute, S&B turbo inlet, 3" charge tubes (inner cooler pipes) and an EFI LIVE tune with the dsp5 switch. Maintenance wise: Front Wheel hubs, 4wd transfer case replacement, I replaced the front end (tie rods....etc.) I haul livestock with my truck. It's been a great truck. No complaints.
It's still cheaper than buying new. To replace that truck you are going to pay over 50k.
+JoJo Bear's Adventures Yes, new HD diesel trucks can cost over $60k with just a few options.
I don't think cost was his main focus on whether to go used or new next time.
Cheaper doesn't mean better. Also, while newer trucks might be more upfront, they still hold their values well.
JoJo Bear's Adventures it's funny I flip back and forth on this one...for the most part I think new or next to new is the way to go. I have had both in a diesel...first off let's be real ..not many people shell out 50k upfront..they finance like most of us..but even for a used one whis let's say 10-20k ..a lot of people don't have that to pay upfront so they get a used car loan which is more than likely is going to be higher interest. so for easy math let's say the used truck is 500$ per month and the new is $900 per month. now factor in the value of (it's latest model probably more power better brakes more gadgets smells amazing everytime you get in it...oh and WARRANTY) plus won't need tires brakes ect for a while ...now used truck..less money per month ..less for insurance in some cases ...don't have to care as much about door dings and dirty shoes ...sounds great BUT garenteed somthing is in need of changing...whether it's oil brakes tires or even a new windshield..AND you are out of warranty and then somthing BIG goes..like tranny or turbo..which is thousands and it always happens when you really don't have the $$ lol.. anyway just my opinion and experience...I really hate I mean hate the big truck payments..but end of the day..I know I can jump in my truck pull a 18 thousand lb 5th wheel down to California and back without any hiccups..and if I do...straight to the dealer she goes!
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LOL, JoJO Bear. 50, 000?? In a perfect world maybe. To replace that truck, (at least here in Canada) you're looking at over 80K
The injector problem is common for all diesels. At 20,000 + psi any contaminant will scar them. I replaced mine under warranty at 75,000 then at 242,000 it happened again. My friend said take the water trap off and fill with sea foam which I did. I added sea foam to the fuel for several fill ups and used biodiesel for six months. The injectors are fine now. Brakes were fine at 200,000 but changed them anyway. The issue is brake line rust-through. Great video
I have a 96 Ford F150 with 5.0L Windsor V8 with 203,368 miles on it and it's still going strong. the only thing I replaced on my truck was the starter but other than that most of every thing else was simple maintenance and my mechanic cleaned out the transmission fluid just to get rid of the shuttering it was making hasn't had a problem ever since.
You were lucky you got the 5.8. I bought a 97 F150 with the 4.6 Triton and after owning that truck it put me off from ever buying another Ford truck. The 351 was a great motor. If you ever buy another used truck stay away from the 4.6/5.4/ and 6.8.
@@tskraj3190 Sounds awesome man the 92-96 Ford TRUCKS are definitely the most reliable.
Amen. I have the trusty 4.9 inline six. In mine. I put over 120miles on it daily hualing heavy. Not a single issue since I bought it 4 yrs ago. Well it does valve noise but a heavier 20w 50 oil fixed that.
Nice to see a genuine self review of your own truck. Hope to see more of these
Andres my favourite guy on this show, seems real genuine.
Love those Silverados, it's the design that I like the must.
Yeh it’s an amazing truck this Guys just an idiot who doesn’t actually use a truck for what a truck is used for. He doesn’t even do his own oil change
I live in Canada, a new Diesel HD 3/4 ton or 1 ton SRW with even a few bells and whistles is still easily $75K to even $80K. But the exchange rate here is the kicker is why. I'll never own/buy a Brand New Truck unless I win Lotto Max. But I've driven the same 2001 Truck now for two and a half years now, I've put a lot of time, and money into it's upkeep and it's be an amazing truck to me. It had a rebuilt transmission put in it literally a week before I bought it privately. Plus it's an F350 and it's got 4WD it's an XL trim so I just have basic stuff like manual locks, windows, mirrors etc. But I installed an aftermarket stereo system in it, a Curt trailer brake controller, an upgraded LED display 7-Way trailer plug, and I replaced the front bench seat with lariat seats with center console. The truck's a Crew Cab, Long bed and I love having the long wheel base combined with 4WD, makes for an excellent Winter time vehicle and trailer puller. I would never settle for anything less than a Full Ton truck, the weight, GVWR, size, length, height etc makes me feel safer with driving, especially in the dark with wildlife as well as if I was to get hit in an accident. I've got no time or desire for any half ton truck, they just don't have the GVWR capacity as a good old 1 ton.
Wow.. I have the same truck, 02 6.6 Duramax/Allison. Bought mine new late 02 for about $42k and had no major issues, injectors are good, original brakes are still at about 40%. I run oversized 285/17 tires which may have contributed to a bad idler arm and left lower ball joint wear and I replaced the glow plugs myself. My mistake was letting the dealer do my oil changed for the first 10 years, even on special it cost $100 each time. Now I do it myself, change the fuel filter & spin on tranny filter every other time and grease it regularly and the cost is about $50 to do it right. The dealer never changed the fuel filter, or tranny filter or even greased all 11 grease fitting. Maybe that's what caused the bad idler? With new 2500HDs costing $60-70k, I'm running mine until the wheels fall off and can't be put back on. If you've got money to burn buy new but if you need a good truck at a fair price, buy used and spend a few dollars to fix it up.
Great review however I agree with most of the comments here, the prices you pay for repair are in the high side. I do upholstery on the side and I fixed my brothers 2002 gmc 2500 seat. While I had the truck I drove it into Hollywood. It has an has a long bed with a a 8 inch lift. Going over Laurel Canyon was a hoot! Great running truck with 178k and no major issues. It’s in Utah now going from Salt Lake to Park City everyday. Will get the same truck when I move there!
Thank you for the great review! I will be buying my first pickup in a year or two and I am planning to go the HD route. Definitely will go with an older model but this gives me a good heads up on what I am looking forward to.
I agree with you 100% on buying new, André. I have a 2004 Chevy Avalanche Z71 and it still looks and operates as new. Also, when the engine is broken in properly and quality fully synthetic oil is used it will never use any oil. At least my trucks don't.
As much as I admire HD trucks I've come to the conclusion that a half ton model will do the job just fine with far less maintenance costs versus a Diesel. I especially like how the Chevrolet half ton with the 6.2 Liter performed in TFL's tests.
Unless you're towing full time a well equipped gasoline model will serve you just fine with a lower cost of ownership.
Yep. I love diesels but I've came to the same conclusion. Higher purchase price and maintenance.
Invincible Osprey I couldn't agree more. Diesels are a nice option but the chances of recouping the initial capital outlay coupled with higher fuel prices and maintenance issues & costs makes them fall short of ever being a wise investment. $8,000+ buys a lot of fuel ⛽️
LD ODOM
Yep. I would just shake my head when people bought the VW TDi's. As much as I wanted them to make sense they just never did. I drive about 50K miles a year with work and I really, really wanted them to make sense. They just never did.
I would buy new too if it were an option for me, but it isn't. I mean, you'll eventually have the same problems no matter if you buy new or used or how well you take care of it. I think Andre got more than his money's worth out of that truck, but he knew what to look for and repair. You take care of your vehicles, and they will take care of you.
I bought used (02 avalanche z71) with 250,000 when I got it.
Now at 280,000, had a few small issues (needed brakes, fluids), but other than that it runs great, I'm genuinely surprised at how little I've had to do to keep it happy and in good running shape.
Great video andre I miss my 2004 duramax bad after watching this, I also had a few issues with mine at around 280k, head gasket and injectors but for 280k, not too bad considering it had a tune and full exhaust 👌
You could've changed the oil and filters yourself.
headcas620 True, but I find that changing my own oil doesn't save me that much. I know of a lot of shops that charge only about $10 more than it would cost for 5 quarts of some synthetic and a filter. I mostly just do it myself because I like doing it.
PIchillin456 I know. but you get the peace of mind that it was done right.
headcas620 thats why i do all my own mai tenance from brakes rotors, shocks...etc
headcas620 I get that place of mind when I do it myself because I've had a few idiot mechanics where I live
Nice review Andre. And this is why we chose not to buy a used diesel truck. $ 5k injector repair? No thanks. We opted for the super reliable Ford 250 V10. No regrets thus far. Never breaks a sweat towing our tow hauler. The best truck I have ever owned.
Jonathan Powers you might be the only person ive ever heard say good things about the v10 lol but good for you that you have a good one
Jesse Hernandez Lemme guess, you're a Chevy guy? I'm not biased towards any one particular manufacturer, but I have towed with Chevy and Tundra. The F250 V10 is by far the best motor I have towed with. It's really effortless for the V10. The Chevy and Toyota had to Rev high to produce power needed. the v10 doesnt.
My statement comes from former employers to neighbors to uncles all buying that v10 and wishing they wouldve bought something different. Yea im partial to chevy/gmc because theyve been good to me but i am a big fan of the super duties as well.
Jesse Hernandez Right on. I own a Chevy Express for the past 6 years. No complaints, no problems. The biggest regret I hear from people about the v10 is the fuel economy. However put that aside, everything else about the truck is fantastic.
Great review! But dang, $1000 for re-surfacing the rotors and new pads?? Sounds kind of steep to me.
+Adam Prior Also includes replacing rear rotors.
Great review, but your average shadetree mechanic truck owner could cut the maintenance costs he's reporting by well over 50% by doing simple jobs themselves.
Sounds really steep
Wayyyyy too much. As long as the calipers are in good shape, brakes take no time to replace. These shops are out of line.
Get ripped. Could have bought 2 tires with what you could have saved
I do not get a few things here.
General maintenance should not be listed in "Top 5 Problems" since every vehicle requires this. Tires, Brakes, Fluids, Filters.
All 4 Brand new Rotors and Pads from GM for your truck are $800.
Why did you have to replace the torque converter and transmission pump when it leaked fluid from the trans to transfer case adapter seal. So you drove it when it was low on fluid?
The LB7 did have injector issues which usually failed just under 100k miles, but the replacements are updated and shouldn't have that issue for a long time. Glad GM moved the Injectors to the outside of the valve cover after that.
The 2006-2007 Duramax LBZ is the best Duramax Made in my opinion.
The 01 and 02 to me are the best looking body of the GMC/Chevy 2500HD’s made. I have a Black 2001 Chevy 2500HD Duramax Excab 4x4 with only 93,000 miles in very good shape. Enjoy your video’s. Keep your 02 2500 it’s a classic.
Yeessss. This is what I've been wanting you guys to move into since the beginning. Your rocker panels and rear fenders will go as soon as you let them as well. Keep them clean.
Rusted out brake lines are a very common problem with this truck platform. I'm surprised it never became a recall issue; it affected many model years.
My 05 gasser has 600000 miles and runs good. Red clear coat is toast and a few cosmetics. Just bought an 18 Duramax Z71 LTZ. Hoping to get similar.
My neighbor has the same truck and it’s got over 300k miles on it and he still drives it daily and all he’s had to do is general maintenance on it so safe to say if you take care of these things they’ll last forever!😂
Thanks for the Long Term Update!
Great review Andre. Less than 100,.000 miles and it dont count. Keep up the good work.😜
+tfcooks Thank you.
should do more of these type of video, showing what trucks are proven to be reliable as to adopting new technologies from the auto industry
Thanks for keeping wheels stock
Andre, you are more of a positive person than me. To me this seems like a lot of issues. I bought my used 2002 Tacoma in 2008 and drove it for 8 years. Only replaced water pump/timing chains and regular oil changes.
nice video! my dad has the same truck but 2005 with the LLY. I usually do the Oil changes and fuel filters on it. about $35 for 2.5 gallons of 15W-40 oil at Walmart plus $6 for a filter. these trucks are very easy to change oil on. I buy fuel filters online in bulk. OEM ACdelco for about $30 a piece. the fuel filter is easy to change, I usually do it in 15 minutes. I need to make a How to video on that! anyway, good video as always.
I have the exact same truck purchased used with 118,000 miles on it. When I bought it it had been sitting in a garage for two years due to a divorce. I had it towed to a diesel repair shop and had all fuel removed from the truck, replaced all fuel lines and filters, new batteries. It ran fine for about a year and then I had to have injectors replaced. $4200 but I also had a few other things done at the same time. Diesel fuel will slime up if left sitting around for a long time and these engines apparently are prone to clogged injectors. It now has close to 200,000 on it and most of that is hauling tractors(heaviest tractor is 6k+ pounds) and such around Alabama. I rarely use it to drive around town as I have an old model Bronco and a car I drive around. I take it, and all my vehicles to a local guy for oil changes, brakes, etc. He charges $79 to do an oil change on this truck which isn't bad for 10 quarts of synthetic. I consider oil changes and brakes to be normal wear and tear as you are going to have to do this on any vehicle. Why not include tires as being expensive? A new truck(be it GMC, Ford, or Dodge)similar to mine will cost over $60k and I will still have to have oil changes done. If you finance a new truck for 72 months at 0% interest your payments will be well over $800 per month. Unless you are spending $800 a month in repairs(repairs...not maintenance) then used is a good route to go. Of course you will have bluetooth, a backup camera, and that new car smell to go along with those payments.
I'm definitely a buy new person, more so on these HD's. They'll last as long as they're maintained. Maintenance cost and the ease of do it yourself drove me to the Cummins. My 3500 has lived it's life at a GCWR of 30,000 and the maintenance is still cheaper than my wife's Subaru Outback.
Going to look at purchasing one just like this one tomorrow except 4x2. Sweet looking truck!
If I got a brand new Diesel truck I’d delete the EGR/DPF for longevity reasons I don’t care if the EPA doesn’t like it it’s my truck and nobody has the right to tell me what I’m gonna do with my Diesel Truck because I paid damn good money for it and I’m gonna do whatever I think I should do to keep my truck for the long haul
thats an amazing truck
Great honest long term review
my 07 lbz 3500 has 416,000 miles and it tows cars on a sneeker lift everyday 4-8 times a day and around 1200 miles a week.
" I took it to a dealership for an oil change it cost alot." No shit!
Man I have the same truck. I took it into the mechanic the other day and they wanted $4500 to replace parts plus labor. I ended up spending $500 on parts and was able to do it myself with no previous mechanical knowledge. I'm 21 and I will try to never go to a mechanic again.
Fuel additives buddy!!! Yes those years were prone but every fill up add fuel additive!!!!! Archoil is a great product. I run 3 duramax's with over 196,000 on original injectors
@Tfltruck, Andre I too feel the same about my old truck. I love my 96 powerstroke with passion, but like you if I ever purchase a new truck, I want to actually be new, that way I know the history of the vehicle. Yes this may be an OBS Ford that I have owned for 5 years but the experience i wouldn't even trade it. I drive my truck about 9000 miles annually, spend about $250-300 annually for in maintenance, and about $100 monthly in fuel.
M Silveyra Great trucks
love the video. keep em coming. honest. not a bad value.
I love these trucks... I want to get an 06 with a blown moter and swap a 24valve cummins into it!
Nice review in insight into your truck & your decisions.
My good friend had a 2002 Silverado 1500, and it never gave him any problems. Even had the same brake pads when we checked at 217K. Sold it at 235k. The interior showed wear. That’s all.
I love this year silverado with the hd front ends!!! Would you buy a new diesel with all the emissions stuff or would you switch to gas if you purchased a new truck?
Nick Adams I have a 15 Silverado with the Duramax engine here in New York City its fine as long as use the proper additives to increase the cetane rating so it burns cleaner Plus you got occasionally take it on the highway once in a while and .onitor engine temps
Nick Adams *cough* delete kits *cough*
Darien Seminoff yes, its in the works....
I did neither. Recently bought a mint 75k mile 2005 Sierra 2500HD Crew Cab 4x4 6.0 gasser. I drive it pretty gingerly and get 14.5 mpgs. I needed a heavy duty truck but didn't need the diesel. I just wanted something to handle my 6k travel trailer effortlessly. Which it does.
My aunt bought the exact same truck, same color, new in 2002. The transmission went out at 37,000 miles and GM wouldn't cover it. Since then it's been typical GM...rusting away, electrical issues, interior falling apart, creaks and rattles, etc.
Go get you a 6.0 or 6.4 then haha
Josh Urmomma good idea!😏
***** You may call bullshit on the whole thing if you want. But, that's exactly what happened to her. Truck had a 3 yr/36,000 mile warranty, and it was just barely out of that period when the trans. decided to shit the bed. GM did nothing for her and she kept the truck for a few more years and hasn't owned a GM product since. She was big into horses, which is why she had a HD truck.
Super nice truck, that's exactly how I want my 2002 2500hd
Adrian Ram start putting money aside for expensive injectors lol
guy proulx yea, once all the manufacturers went common rail, they lost my interest. Heck, I'd take a 6.0 powerstroke over a common rail diesel.
89Hols i would never buy a diesel unless i absolutely needed to tow over 10,000 lbs on a regular basis, maintenance costs are high and when you need new injectors it will cost a fortune
guy proulx agreed
guy proulx I love diesel so I would waste as much money as I need to, just to keep it good
My brother has the same year truck with duramax. 320000 miles and it's a really great reliable truck. Got bad diesel once at the pump and the stations insurance covered the $9000 bill to replace the whole fuel delivery system. So no expensive injector worries for him
Edit: these Duramax have the cheap injectors (400/piece) newer ones are 700/piece and up
GETaYOTA The price of the injectors isn't what makes changing them expensive. They're under the valve cover so they are huge pain to get to. Most of the shop bill was probably labor
I bout my 91 f150 for 300 bucks it had 250,000 miles. now it has 271,000 in three months. I replaced my injectors and filters and brakes. I just wanted to make sure it was in perfect shape and it is. if you don't want to pay for someone to do the work for you pick up a wrench and do it your self. I'm 17 and work for Marc's in berea and I cut grass for the city. my costs were nothing under 500 all in all. discs,drums,rotors,filters,injectors,battery. all new and no problems.
I just got a 2001 like yours, same color and all but with the 8.1L gas. Had to replace the Allison transmission right away. No indication of problems until I put a 6500 lb trailer on it then it overheated within 30 miles. Dealer covered labor thank goodness. My cost was $4062. Now, two weeks later I'm told what I thought was a bad belt tensioner noise is a rear main seal spinning? Drop the tranny again. $1400. Uggg.
I got a 8.1 gas in a 2004 3500 with Allison tranny 262,000 miles still going. It stays hooked up to the 24ft gooseneck that weighs 5,5000 lbs it’s self. Usually hauling hay 5x5 or 4x5 round rolls. 14 to 16 bales at a time.
Great review
for everybodies information.... painting over rust WILL NOT STOP the rust.... once rust has started you have to cut the metal off or sand/grind it all the way down to shiny rust free metal.. you will never stop the progress of rust with paint
Interesting and informative, but really just regular maintenance of a diesel truck.
I got a 2011 f250 diesel and I loved all the amenities and features but it ate me out of house and home just in all the expensive maintenance. Spending only 8k on all of that, and most of that is waaay over priced as I can do it myself much cheaper, is a blessing compared to the cost of maintaining and repairing my newer super duty. I got rid of it even though I loved it and I am planning on getting me another old duramax, pre emissions engine, and just enjoying a solid truck without all the expensive bells and whistles.
I thought about buying a brand new diesel but one look at the price tag is enough to sober me up. 60k or more just to match the truck like Andre's and my old super duty (xlt crew cab fx4 with the 6.7l) is outrageous and god help you when it needs repair.
Owning a diesel truck is expensive, that's a reality I have known since I was a kid long before we even had Turbo diesels in pickups, and you just have to get used to it as a part of life.
That's a lotta $$$ in labor for relatively low/standard maintenance. Do some of the things yourself and you'll save a TON of money. Replacing brake rotors and pads, for example, are super easy to DIY. Personally, I think a ~3 year old car/truck with somewhere around 50,000 miles or less is the sweet spot. It's barely broken in and has depreciated by around 40%.
Time for an update Andre!
190,000 miles in my 2002 silverado 1500 and havent done any major repair other then maintenece and tune up, its a MANUAL tho
I still wouldn't buy a domestic brand new, but if i were to buy a domestic used it would be certified so i at least had something to back it up. Still happy i bought my Tacoma, it's been a great vehicle.
guero Bajo there overrated everyone thinks there so great but there aren't and there pretty expensive you can get a full sized truck for the same money.
Tacos or Tundras are the best. My Taco has yet to give me any problems.
I will never go to a dealership and pay their price for an oil change when I can do it myself for ab $30.
No such thing as a $30 oil change on a diesel.
sweet truck dude! glad to see you're a real truck guy doing real truck reviews 👌
What are you considering buying? Maybe a video about your short list of new trucks? Would you buy diesel or gas?
I have an 05 2500hd with a 6.0 love the truck I bought it in May of 2020 for $9.900 it had 205.000 miles. Yeah alot of miles. Recently spent $2.800 because the transfer case and driveline needed replaced. But the truck should still last a long time.
Came here after watching the announcement for the 2020 Silverado HD to cleanse my eyes.
great review. but I think you could off set some of the costs like the oil changes and changing breaks doing the maintenance yourself.
I would like to know what new truck u going to invest in. I been try to dicide should I get gas or diesel.
I worked as a service technician for Cadillac, Hummer (rip), and Chevy for 12 years. Heck i work on my own cars. Plus i still have GM discount for parts.
i looooove those tires
I agree with you on the wanting to know what happened to it, next truck I buy will be new, but hopefully that isnt for a long time
dude, your on a trucking/auto network and you dont do your own oil changes?
1000$ for brakes? Holy shit! they didn't even give you new rotors dude they straight jipped you. you should find a good mom and pop shop. dealerships are greedy places I bet the mechanic didn't even see 90 of that 1000 dollars
John Hecke he overpaid for everything he has had done at the stealership. the prices he stated for oil change and brake services are way overpriced.
Andre is great and so is that truck! All trucks have their issues, this one unfortunately is injectors. Purchase price + maintenance - resale = about 100 bucks a month if he were to sell it now. And that's including maintenance that other trucks will need as well. Try to have less out of pocket monthly with anything new. Keep up the good work TFL
I have this truck, but the 1500 version. It is the exact same color 2002 Chevy Silverado 1500 with the ls interior package and the 5.3 v8. My only complaints about this truck is the brakes are not the greatest, but I have been told that this is common on these trucks. My other complaint is rust. When I bought my truck, the rockers had been replaced with brand new ones because the old ones were so badly rusted out. The bottoms of the doors are just starting to rust, the rear wheel wells of the truck are extremely rusty (my fender flares mostly cover that up), and the bottom strip on the tailgate has rust that seems to be starting to get deep. Other than that the truck is as mechanically sound as can be (other than the clunk it makes when you put it in reverse, but I'm told that that's also normal), and everything works as it should. Being the ls package, it has cloth seats and none of them are torn. The drivers seat also shows very little wear at all and the truck has 170,000 on it.
Steven Vanheel The brakes is a very easy fix , the brake from GMT900( the newer gen silverado) are a direct swap . They make a huge difference .
dilsher12 really? So what do you all swap out on the brakes? Do you do the rotors, the calipers, and the caliper brackets? I am guessing that you can only swap the fronts because the gmt 900's have rear drum brakes.
They're really good trucks. My uncle had a 2001 2500 and fell asleep doing 80 on the highway and rolled it 4 times. Thing was completely crushed besides the windshield which saved his life. My dad then gave him his 98 with 160k miles not soon after since he didn't need it, and its still going at 260k with frequent oil changes. My dad recently just bought a 2014 gmc 5.3
Joseph Costello wow, your uncle is very lucky. I am definitely expecting to get that kind of mileage or better out of my truck. If I ever upgrade trucks and get a nice diesel, I am keeping this truck and it will definitely be my winter beater.
The Lb7 actually has a 4 speed Allison. The LLY has the 5 speed Allison
all duramax trucks had 5 speed allisons until 2006 when it changed to a six speed
Brandon Jenson No it's a 5 speed. Lb7 and lly had it
Sphaxz not 2006 they went to the 6 speed in 2003 or 2004
Dodge 318 Cummins No they didn't. The Allison 1000 was a 5 speed until 2006. Same time the lbz was released
Most of what he mentioned was maintenance and somewhat expected issues for a 15 year old truck with over 150,000 miles. My view is always that once you go past 10 years/150,000 miles, as long as your main powertrain is holding together well then you are just fine. Random smaller parts going out and cosmetic issues are expected at that point in time.
Yep that is somewhat normal for a domestic truck, expensive injectors replaced, torque converter replaced all before 164xxx miles, i wonder how many more expensive repairs it would need and how much it would cost to drive that thing up to a million miles? did you see how many repairs that Tundra has needed to reach a million miles and towing an enclosed trailer for 90% of these miles? it only needed an alternator and have reverse fixed at over 700xxx miles, and the seat in the Tundra had no rips in it either and the badge didn't fall off LMFAO
guy proulx There are more GM trucks that have reached a million miles than Toyotas. Good try injecting your negative biases into these common things for all vehicles. Keep up your spin efforts. Toyota loves people like you who work for them for free.
Dale Couture those GM trucks that reached a million miles were probably all diesels, do they have a service record to see how many parts and rebuilds they needed to reach a million miles?, like i always said, you can make any vehicle reach a million miles as long as you keep dumping money into them
guy proulx Look it up yourself. I am tired of educating you.
Dale Couture educating me lmao, aren't you the one that mentioned there were lots of million mile GM trucks, you should be able to back up what you say and if you send a link for a million mile GM or Chevy i want the proof that the engine never needed a rebuild and a list of all the repairs it needed
Lol all these problems will happen with any other gas truck as well
Dustin Salisbury Have you seen TFL's video about the '07 Toyota Tundra with a million miles?
guy proulx I have. Just saying a lot of things come into play with vehicles. Where you live, how you drive it, how you take care of it. Etc
I love the new ram and gmc but I'd go with a used stock LB7, yes the injectors aren't the greatest,
$1300 for OEM and $1800 for bosh but if you run clean diesel fuel the injectors should last 200,000 to 300,000 miles, depending on your driving, that's under 300 a year for the injectors.
I replaced the brakes on my 02 Cummins last summer and paid $300 for all new pads, rotors and 1 caliper
Isaac record it's the labor that cost the money
Nice piece of information. Thanks.
The 6.6 Duramax diesel are solid engines!
You can buy the Delo 400 15w-40 oil, 3 gallons, from Costco right now for $30 and buy a Mobil 1-303 filter for the truck for about $12 from any auto parts store. Do the oil change yourself for under $45.