Game of Thrones R + L = J | REACTION & REVIEW
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i’m pretty the original r+l=j video was made before the reveal on the show, so the info wasn’t as obvious at the time. 🤷🏾♂️
The show did a great job at subtly hinting at the truth but never making it obvious.
Chill out we get it you didn’t get the hints but that’s what makes the story good it’s not suppose to be blatantly right in front of you
they just wanna defend their lack of focus and care, and defend their stupidity.
Why are you guys so angry and hostile about not knowing things? Calm down. Sophie is angry that the show didnt reveal things right away? I dont even understand what the fk you two are mad about..... sheesh
They're mad about the back lash they received in 6x10. They don't realize that people weren't telling them to know about the twist but rather not to assume that Ned was into his sister.
@@Tooba-K123Wth is black leash? Do you mean BACK LASH? I only ask bc this is the second time I've seen you use the term. The first time I dismissed it as an error but now I'm wondering if this is a term that I know nothing of...
@@shan0997 no you're correct. Sorry at the time I wrote those comments my phone was new and it automatically autocorrected many things against my will. It's my fault I don't recheck my comment for spelling mistakes.
@@shan0997 thank you for correcting by the way. I really didn't notice such a huge mistake.
It’s not really the earlier scenes it’s the fact that y’all thought Ned hooked up with Lyanna in that reveal in season 6 lmao because there were Targaryen soldiers guarding the tower. Lyanna was in the tower giving birth. Who would have sent Targaryens to guard Lyanna and keep her and the baby safe? I do think the earlier scenes are complied to really hit home that Ned was honorable and he would choose the people he loves over honor. Like he only confessed to treason because he wanted to keep his family safe. He became known as a cheater to keep his nephew safe from Robert’s wrath.
History is told by the victors. In today’s time it was still rape since Rhaegar was quite older than Lyanna but she grew to love him the same. In this world it’s not really considered like that I guess, they ran away together in this world. Robert became the king and that was the story for why he couldn’t protect his love.
Actually they were KINGS Guards not soldiers.
@@texaszed9834 Oh right my bad lol
Lets be honest here. You remember these finer details because you have seen GoT more than once, I’d venture more then 3 times, especially as a reaction watcher. And also, they are NOT the only ones who thought Ned and Lyanna. I’ve seen more then a handful of reactors think that first and then realize, no. What I have not seen is a lot of reactors who instantly got who John’s parents are from the tower of joy scene.
@@izattyu6863 Well no. Someone pointed out that reaction channels who watch it post-GOT don't get it but back then when the show was airing and people were reacting to it they knew. I guess it was the culture of people devouring everything they could about the story without actual spoilers. I read the books so I knew about it possibly being a thing. But thinking Ned is the dad was still rare. They're the only people I've seen who thought that. If others thought that then I missed their reactions or something because even if they don't connect Lyanna and Rhaegar in the moment (I'll give them that and I mentioned this... reread my comment) they still don't assume that Ned is the father of his sister's son. In case anyone else needs me to say this again, I don't fault people for not connecting R+L=J based on scenes they'd have to recall in the past. MY shock was them thinking Ned was still the dad even though it made no sense and no one mentioned her pregnancy ever until that moment. Game of Thrones definition of incest (not including European royal and noble traditions of marrying cousins) says that sibling incest is frowned upon outside of the Targaryen tradition which has been evidenced for 8 seasons with how Cersei and Jaime are looked at... even with the Targaryen madness stigma being linked to their incest. SO yeah, it's a bit baffling that people jump to Ned and Lyanna being a thing given this world's stance on incest.
Wow. I really didn't think that y'alls reaction to both these videos would consist of mostly.... defending y'alls stance on what the show was lacking.
I thought y'all would be amazed or be celebrating all the reveals....
Different strokes I guess
Sophie super defensive 😂😂😂. Its ok child many people missed the foreshadowing in the show.
Bruh. How many times can you not understand the assignment.
Ned did NOT think the Targaryens were cool people. They burned his dad and bother alive. (although to be fair, I don’t think they do a good job of communicating that in the show.)
Ned literally fought a war to depose the Targaryens. Everything he did was to protect his sisters child I don’t think he cared one way mother about Rhaegar
They were hints for a reason. I NEVER put the pieces together. We really weren’t supposed to. The reveal was meant to shock. And it did. Then when I watched the R+L=J video, I remembered the little hints throughout the seasons of Game Of Thrones. I loved it!
You guys act like we knew right away. We DIDN'T.
Right we just weren’t dumb enough to conclude Ned was with Lyanna at the reveal
@@keef5totally agreed. These guys are so triggered about a wild back lash which is common for reactors.
Nobody did, but i would thought honorable Ned had a child with his sister, come on.
@@Tooba-K123 Ned having a baby with his sister is mild?
@@stevem2323 - You "would thought he had a baby with his sister" or wouldn't thought?
You talk about it like you were expected to figure out Jons heritage before the episode were it was revealed.
You are not!
The same as with Hodors back story. It is very unlikely to figure this out before it was revealed just by watching the show. But it is really cool to see all the hints the were in the earlier episodes.
At least it was for me.
I watched several reaction channels while the show was still running. No one figured out about Jons heritage before this specific episode. And you aren't the only ones that were thinking Ned might have been the father.
I also read the books and did not figure out who Jon's parents were. But I read about the R + L = J fan theory online. When I read it I knew it must be true. It was so unfitting for Ned to cheat on his wife. But to take this secrete to his grave to protect Jon and hold his promise to his sister was very much Ned Stark.
The correct theory about Jon' parents had been discussed for 30 years. I read up to book 4 & guessed. When I heard about the show, I went back to check all of the theories of many of the characters.
This videos came out before season 6!! If you are watching them after the entire series it doesn’t mean anything
I put the original R+L=J video together long before it was confirmed on the show. It wasn't hard. All the signs were there. None of it was random. Some people are just not good at picking up foreshadowing.
I would have never put this together myself. GOT is deep. EVERY conversation is important. I would have figured it out in Season 7, as more hints were revealed. It's sad people spoiled it for you when you first got it wrong. I've seen reactors who were clueless even after seeing Rayghar marry Lyanna.😂😂 Don't feel bad at all. After rewatching different parts, I still see things I didn't catch the 1st, 2nd, and 11th times I watched!
I have watched A LOT of reaction channels and I think the hate from some people comes from the fact you guys thought Ned and Lyanna were his parents and Ned would fk his sister and have a kid because you guys were the only people that I know of that had that thought lol. I found it funny but i guess others took offense.
Another theory is that Littlefinger started the kidnapping rumor to get the Stark men killed so he could be with Catelyn. It almost worked.
This video is a BOOK theory wich is why it's not confirmed yet also jon is still face down in a pile of blood and snow like the end of season 5
Remember Varys only found out when Tyrion told him. Otherwise he would've gone looking for Jon long ago. Look how he backed Jon as soon as he found out.
Varys has no allegiance to anyone. As soon as someone doesn't align with his vision he turns to look for someone else.
Ned was protecting Jon not Daenerys really. Ned knew what really happened to his sister, Robert assumed something because he couldn’t fathom Lyanna not loving him. Ned had no love for the Targaryens because what they did to his dad and brother. Also according to him Rhaegar still kidnapped his sister but because she was giving birth he realized it wasn’t as black and white. Also Ned just didn’t advocate for women and children being killed but Tywin knew Robert was led by rage.
Ned had some kind thoughts about Rhaegar in the first book (the only book with Ned thoughts).
Seeing how hard Robert pursued Dany just vindicates our man Ned
Considering Neds thoughts on the Targaryens outside Aerys its a complete lie to say Ned hated them, he didnt, that was Robert who did. Also Ned wouldnt think about Rhaegar in a good light if he really "kidnapped" her and he does multiple times
No you’re not supposed to assume Ned isn’t Jon’s father after the first episode. That’s why there were 6 seasons leading up to the reveal.
It’s almost like you had to pay attention and not binge a show watching 7 episodes in a day. All these excuses 🙄
Jon is a Targaryen so it makes sense that Ned would oppose Robert wanting to kill them, to the point that he would resign.
Also the reason Ned pushed for Jon to join the nights Watch is because then he would have no claim to the throne and he would no longer be a "threat" to Robert. That's why he was only willing to tell him about his mother after he joined the watch.
The more Sophie talks the less sense she makes. How she gonna speculate about Jon’s parents not being who they were in the show when literally 2 seconds before that D@D explained that they were allowed to do the show because they told GRRM who they thought his mother was and they were right 🤨
You guys will love house of the dragon. It's really good. Not the same show runners and the author was heavily involved in the scripting of HOTD. The story is also completed unlike game of thrones so no chance of messing it up. I can't wait and look forward to seeing more of you guys. You really do make my day better with your reactions.
GRRM wasn't at all heavily involved in Season 1 scripting and said on his blog he was using his time to focus on finishing WoW lol but he did recently say he was really involved for Season 2. In Season 1 the show writers did actually make some changes from the book that kind of gave a taste that they could potentially mess some things up in the future, which I think is the reason why I think GRRM came in to help with Season 2 to keep them on course.
@@FunkayJunk yeah GRRM is only the EXECUTIVE PRODUCER on HOTD. That's not heavily involved at all right. He said he didn't script ( though did give his input and was involved in that process)any episodes but will probably write a few for season two. He legit needs to focus on his work as a author but I'm sure like any creator of the original work, would love to be more involved and is making that happen for season 2. Btw nothing GRRM said implied he believes they will mess up his work. You are probably butt hurt because you don't like how one side or the other was portrayed but remember the book this is based on is a history told by 3rd parties, sometimes we have multiple different versions of events depending on who is telling it. The show is giving us POV from the characters themselves as events happended. I personally think they tied up things well for major events to where it won't effect the ultimate conclusion but might change the perspective given by 3rd parties in fire and blood. My only criticism is we could have had more time with to develop characters of the children of Rhaenyra and Alicent but I get they wanted a certain pacing and it works.
+1 you beat me to it.
If thats the case he easily could have been involved with season 1, whats making him less busy now than he was when they were writing Season 1? So he's more busy during covid when nothing was open than he is post covid with WOW not even finished? &im not "butt hurt" over anything, im not trying to spoil for S & M but when i say there are signs, I mean like adding in scene not in the book that had no logic and was only put in for spectacle, where Sara Hess says in the ep behind the scenes she only put a scene in bc "I just thought it would be awesome and cool' but in turn created more questions and made characters look stupid as hell, and will look stupid down the line since we know the character's outcomes. This is the type of shit D&D did in the later seasons. Like I get the POV excuse but when they made Rhaenys do something extreme like "THAT" apparently none of the historians remembered the event or think it was significant to put in the History text book?? That's bc that event absolutely didn't happen, don't excuse bad writing. To this day everyone still questions why Dany didn't just fly to the red keep from the beginning bc it was stupid of her not to making characters like Tyrion look stupid in the process. And you have Matt Smith revealing a lot of his great scenes are not from the script and things he improvised. So yeah, I'm glad George is now more involved, even though he should be finishing the books, because he will help to keep important things on course from here on out and hopefully they listen to him on everything. I only said there's potential for them to go off course, it's just Season 1, but GRRM always talked about D&D and their changes in the early seasons he would advise against (like keeping Bron around bc he was popular) can lead to a negative butterfly affect, saying "And for just as long, I have been talking about the butterfly effect. Small changes lead to larger changes lead to huge changes." Them already doing stuff like this so early does give reason to be cautious.
@@FunkayJunkoh damn I'm only seeing this now lol. Bro you are butt hurt. Hopefully you calmed down by now.
Guys, The incest part I laughed at but you're not supposed to just put it all together, you don't need to be so defensive, just enjoy the ride 👍
I watched the show as it was airing. Never read the books therefore went into it blind. I did NOT think Ned and Lyanna were Jon's parents after that ones scene. It was obvious to me that Rhaegar was the father. Everything pointed to that. The show did fine in laying down the clues to Jon's parentage.
It served the purpose of protecting Jon. It was too dangerous. The reveal was very slow. And Ned’s demeanor and actions are what make him incredibly honorable. He never failed his sister or Jon. King Robert would have killed him.
Don't even worry about guys lol. People just love roasting newbies.
In the books Varys saved Rhaegar's son and Elia Martell, and raised him in secret in Essos to be the best leader...
I don't buy that. He's a fake.
@@WLDB I think he's legit.
You have a point guys. The main reason that the community even managed to read between the lines to arrive to the conclusion before the reveals were ever made in the series, was because there was literally years between each season. Everyone had endless time to rewatch every season like 10 times, read the books again and again and discuss them all without end, theorize etc etc. This way its easier to make the connections. Its still very nice though that this happened, it joined the community into finding all this stuff early, what other show ever accomplishes such a feat? None is the answer pretty much. We were lucky they filmed it this way at least true to G.R.R. Martin's intentions about Jon's parentage. Even though they messed up in the end.
PS : Good luck with the books, its very unlikely that they will ever be finished. Still good to check but I hate the fact that they might never be finished.
I have a recommendation: the guy who made this video also made one about how different Euron Greyjoy was in the books vs the show, and it’s pretty incredible how they are barely anything alike. I really recommend watching that video, because Euron is one of the coolest book characters and maybe the worst character adaptation in the show.
He also did one about Tyrion Lannister
Guys, as a non books reader there was no chance to figure out that R+L=J. Because in the show it was never mentioned that Ned went out to find and free Lyanna from Rhaegar. So don`t feel stupid about that. It were the book readers who came up with the Theory first. And as a book reade you might figure it all together
Making rhaegar and lyanna's story not the central focus but little tidbits in a giant chessboard is what makes it brilliant. Any other show would've gave you the plot right away and then used characters to hammer it over and over on your head until it became corny and redundant. This is more like a "what if" tragedy instead of a Scooby-Doo door mystery.
I will just say that literally nobody cares about the reaction to the first video. People only mean a reaction to the second video, because it's a reminder of the breadcrumbs in the show.
The very first time you meet Ned in the very first book.
Ned's first chapter. He could hear her still at times. Promise me, she had cried, in a room that smelled of blood and roses. Promise me, Ned.
It’s not supposed to obvious, but there are so many little hints throughout the whole series that when you re watch it you almost feel stupid for not catching it
Personally IMO i don't think it is a good time for mair and Sofie to start house of the dragon and this is why their bittiness in how they feel that game of theones ended most of us had 4 years to bitch about it and express our views and flaws i think that should hold off for at least 6months to give them time because the wqy the feel as soon as the see something they may not like theygonna judge straight away and not like it .. but its their choice
I don’t know if y’all know but there’s going to be a Jon Snow sequel. George RR Martin said he was going to do one but with the writers and actors strike it’s probably going to be delayed for quite a while. Hopefully that will clean up the last season of GOT.
I doubt that will happen. Dunk & egg however already got greenlit.. but it's another unfinished series. Idk why they do this to us 😂
This would've been much more enjoyable without Sophie making excuses the whole time. You guys assume alot about us as viewers. I didn't read the books until after watching up to season 6, and while I agree it wasn't super obvious, that's the point. It was the world's best kept secret. And let's not forget that even if you did read the books beforehand, R+L=J was never actually confirmed in the books and its even more secretive and vague. Just take your L and hold it and we'll be here for HOTD
you guys have the craziest theories lol and its frustrating, like why would you think Ned had sex with his sister?? honorable Ned? y'all are so defensive as well. quick with opinions but not actually listening or paying attention
Please watch House of the Dragon. The first season is flawless! Don’t let folks make you guys feel bad for not knowing about Rhaegar and Lyanna. I didn’t read the books myself and it took me a long time to figure it out the real story about them.
It’s not in the books… its never revealed in the books in fact it’s even vaguer. Some people just pick up on hints and foreshadowing and some don’t😂
I don't think people nitpick on them not picking up on hints but rather on the fact that they thought Ned was into his sister.
LOL okay you missed out a lot that's all
Yeah but Sofie made a very good point ... When the show was on air people watched once a week then had about a year between seasons to ponder and chat with others but with reactors these days the watch all and pressure from viewers saying next episode and there's alot you don't get on your first watch
@@joshuasutton355right
Oooohhhhh was Ned OK "confessing his treason" because he did commit treason but towards Robert by hiding a Targaerean. So the treason he committed was not towards Geoffrey but towards Robert.
you made a good point that original viewers had a lot of time to ponder things - Jon's parents, and even Dany breaking in the end. Early on their was the contrast of Ned being honorable and also cheating. It had people thinking.
There were also some videos History and Lore for each season of this show, most people could get it from it
They quit watching those because they cared more about just getting episodes out on yt
@@keef5I think they continued history and lores on Patreon
wow i picked the wrong video to listen to while i took a shower. that was annoying.
Whether Rhaegar was a good guy or a kidnapping rapist has no incidence on whether or not he was John's father. Hints about Rhaegar's character were never relevant in that matter. He always was the most likely to be John's father, no matter what.
Where it really mattered was about whether or not they were married (i.e. Whether or not John was the legitimate heir). That's what those hints about his character were for.
Petyr would have used the information if he knew the truth about Jon, and Varys, at least on the show, didn't know.
Part of the reason people think, or it was possibly portrayed that Baelish knew, is because Petyr was hold up at an Inn nursing his wounds after the duel with Brandon & being kicked out by Hoster for sleeping with Lysa. The likely Inn would have been on a main route that Rhaegar & Lyanna would have taken to leave, which they did around the time he was recovering. So he could have easily seen them, and because of his rage against Brandon for his bethrothal to Cat & injuring him, he spread the rumor that Lyanna was taken by Rhaegar, because he also knew Brandon was impulsive and quick to agression, and would do something brash to rescue his sister that might get him killed.
Ned & Howland Reed who was with him at the Tower of the Hand, possibly Benjen, and eventually Petyr would have been the only ones alive after Rhaegars & Lyannas deaths who would have known more of the truth.
Anyone else in Westeros would have believed the lie, until it was otherwise revealed. It should have been much more of reveal to the seven kingdoms in the show imo, but they slagged off on all that.
And the books are not finished. That is why these are still theories. But the books (and so theories) started almost 30 yrs ago, so some of them are pretty solid.
No one expected anyone to know R+L=J on the first episode lol. We just understood the point with Jon was Ned is so honorable that he disgraced honor on the surface to protect his family underneath it all, so continuing to think Ned was actually dishonorable through an incestous relationship with Lyanna was too much to let slide. It makes sense you still thought of Ned as Jons father, but they made sure to say r-worded every time they mentioned her being kidnapped and we just couldn't get past thinking Ned was actually dishonorable, when the entire scene was explicitly revealing that he was honorable to fault (& ultimately to death even).
I just want to add though that Jon is probably not Aegon Targaryen as there already is one, unless Rhaegar decided to have him fill as "do-over" to fulfill the prophecy. He is most likely Aemon Targaryen, 2nd of his name? And Aegon (who has worked with the faceless men) is still alive and will return Monte Cristo style to dance with Dany, and Jon (and ultimately end up with Arya). (my theory)
And Lyanna probably fled with Rhaegar because she didn't want to be with hotheaded & possessive Robert Baratheon. Another point they could have made explicit so people might understand that she wasn't simply kidnapped.
Edit: I'm also going to say even though absolutely not a single soul is reading this, that I knew his mother was Lyanna when Ned said "we'll talk about her when I get back". Because if she was just some random, he would have explained that years ago and left it at that. Why would it matter that much who she is? Why would he seem so pained about it ... unless she was dead? ... unless she meant something so deep to him that he couldn't speak of it? But they're presenting him as honorable. Who's identity would he want to protect with everything? And then my favorite Christmas movie popped into my head.
In Alistar Sims Scrooge there is a scene with Scrooge at his sister's bedside while she is dying in childbirth. She says "Promise me, Ebeneezer". "Promise me you'll take care of my boy." And then her hand goes limp and the baby cries. Scrooge looks at the cradle with disdain and leaves, but after the three spirits, he regrets not keeping his promise to his sister and in my favorite scene he apologizes to his loving nephew and dances with his bride. The scenes are very powerful and since I've watched it almost every year I knew only a brother's love for a sister could make one so pained with grief at the sight of her child. That reveal scene in GoT is pretty much cut and paste from Scrooge, except Ned kept his promise throughout.
My friend who introduced me to the show was surprised I guessed that, but honestly I wasn't sure who the father was, but I didn't assume it was Ned because he did not abandon the child like Scrooge, so his honor was solidified for me.
The writers/directors of the last season were pretty much black-balled in the industry. The House of Dragons has a much better staff and the writing is up to the standard. You will enjoy it.
By the end of book one, i think most people that read the books knew Jon was Lyanna's. The show had to compress a lot of details and backstory. the books laid it out better and we get chapters from Ned himself...so we learn that Ned is a hardcore man of honor and wouldn't cheat on Cat. There is a lot of evidence in the books that didn't make it on the tv screen
It’s definitely fair to say that you guys were at a disadvantage in figuring this out because you’re basically binging it and recording it for your reaction which doesn’t usually allow for a lot of detailed watching and time to consider what you saw. we did have lots of time to think about the. However, you probably should not try to blame the show for being too subtle. It wouldn’t of been much reveal if it was as obvious as you are acting like it should’ve been.
Dany was also technically Ned’s sister in law. Another reason he would recoil at Robert wanting him to help kill her.
The fact that the little hints were “background” kind of things is what makes the whole thing great. Hidden in plain sight. They said over and over how honorable Ned was and how out of character for him to cheat was.
You guys are being too defensive. We’re not judging you. It’s hard in a comment without the inflection of voice to get a point across without it being taken in the wrong way.
When Barristan, an honorable knight, said that Danny’s brother was “the greatest man I ever met” That’s when I clued in that that story was important.
The Starks are pure Good. They were the Protagonist of the Story.
This really showed how the writing really was not that bad to include dialogue in scenes that like you said subliminally told a story in itself.
It was not that bad while George was involved. Then it became D&D spiraling into absurdity.
The writing was tremendous seasons 1-4, a little in 6. Everything else was as bad as the other was good.
Howland Reed is the only living person that knew Jon was Lyanna's child. The rest that knew, or had an idea, died. Well Howland Reed and the head members of House Dayne probably. Ashara Dayne probably knew...and there is a theory she is Howland Reed's wife...and the mother to Jogen and Mira.
Petyr Baelish and Varys didn't know Jon was Lyanna's. Petyr probably figure out it wasn't kidnapping or rape....but he didn't know about the child. Varys probably didn't know much about it at all...or at least didn't know about Jon either. That is why Varys backed Dany and this other guy that is in the books but he isn't in the TV show.
I think they did a pretty good job dropping small hints from time to time. No one knew that Ned wasn't his father, people only guessed that based on the information in the first video. But it was pretty obvious that Rhaegar was the father when the show revealed that Lyanna Stark is his mother. I guess you just didn't pick that up because you always talked over a good part of the scenes that were shown in the second video without pausing (attention is the key to everything, remember that for future movies and shows).
Most of us didn't read the books before and even the books don't confirm it (but as we heard at the end of the second video: the showrunners talked about it to the author and he approved)
It's okay, you don't have to get defensive about it, not everyone catched things immediately.
Guys is not your fault. We had years to deconstruct and analyze every single episode. Some times there were years of waiting between seasons. You watched everything nonstop in a few months. Of course you will not have the chance to catch everything by yourselves.
All this build up surrounding John just to send his ass back to the wall at the end 🤦♂️ lol
My wife and I also watched GOT from start to finish in a month and did not read the Books till after we watched show. Many that watch perhaps did not listen to ALL the dialog.
Listen, I don't really care whether you figured this out or not. It's fine if it's a surprise to you. It would be easier seeing in a row than waiting between because I see a lot of reactors who take time between and they have trouble even remembering things, let alone clues. But it doesn't really matter if you figure it out or are surprised.
Let’s not act like you guys seen this lol this was pose to be seen at the end of season 6 so of course you would know now lol even book readers didn’t even know who was Jon parents.
I dont think ned is positive to reagar. His main motivation is to protect jon. Ned sees everyone who stays on mad kings side bad. Lannisters, even day turned their back to mad king. They arent accepted in neds perspective.
She be trying to defend herself too much. It’s alright to make mistakes. We are only human
Guys you seem bummed out because of the GOT backlash. I also didn't agree with a lot of what you said, but in no way do I want you guys to feel down because of that. Love your reactions, keep it up 🙌🏻
23:39 - HELL YEA SHEs gonna keep defending herself! Who cares that we all get it already lol We are here for Sophie rants! Get it gurl!
15:49 Love is strong in Game of Thrones just like it should be in real life.
i didn't read the books and didn't pick up on the clues either, the scene that i figured out Jon was Targaryen was when he touched Drogon, and the way they focused on Drogon looking at him. Like he could smell/sense the Targaryen lineage. If that makes any sense.
It was the egos of the two show runners, HBO offered to hire more writers to take the load off their shoulders because the writer of the books was willing to take the show to 11episodes but they couldnt handle other people getting credit for how great the show is and also they were getting offers for right to left and simply wanted to wrap up the show as quick as they could to start doing other things but unfortunetly without the books and George's writing they were exposed as frauds who ruined what was becoming the greatest TV series of all time.
Everyone involved with the show was not happy with how they ended the show, Kit Harrington the guy who play Jon Snow was clearly the one who felt hard done by them, because his story was ruined by the feminine agenda that had hit Hollywood at that time but ive heard that HBO is considering taking up a GOT spin off called Snow which would be a try at a redemption storyline at to finishing off "the prince that was promised" prophecy in a better way with better writers
You guys did R + L = J! Awesome! Thank you. And I agree the ending would have been so much better had the North & Targaryen families joined their houses and was all the stronger for it. But that said.... I also think it's realistic that Cersie messed with Danny as much as she did AND that Danny's response was also realistic in burning everyone to the ground. IT would have been way cooler to see them flex Westeros together - I agree - but I also enjoyed how realistic the ending was too.
I don't think anyone has ever called King Robert "Rob."
Not y’all reacting to R + L = J after finishing the series lol… I’m teasing.
Littlefinger and Varys didn't know who's Jon's parents were😂😂😂😂idk where u got that idea from
Why’d you talk over Cat’s monologue? 😭 That part where she says the horror that’s come to her family is all because she couldn’t love a motherless child is one of my favorite lines from her. Hearing her words over the image of Jon bleeding out is such a chilling image.🥺
Sophie: It was just background talk.
In GOT there is no such thing as background talk.
We only have cool fan theories because of the waiting period between seasons or shows. Theorizing and thinking about characters and (hidden) plots is always a great special extra thing we get to do and it is fun! Sometimes a viewers mind will remember or recognize small implications and piece them together to a big brain important detail that would otherwise have been missed, but now that one got it, the viewers mind will be blown away. 🧐
For some it is small hints on Jon "Aegon Targaryen" Snow, for other people it's the Starbucks coffee cup or the small water bottles. 👌😁
It has been a great journey with ups and downs, but I am looking forward to the HotD reactions. But sadly you have to wait together with us for new content after finishing it.
always dug yalls reactions to the series, and i'm sure a certain segment of comments are busting on y'all about not knowing all of these things about the narrative. The point of these breadcrumbs in the show was not to allow watchers to be armed with enough information to deduce all this, but for it to make sense on a second or third viewing. all the "I SAID THAT" and " I KNEW IT" kind of seems like youre putting it on yourselves to be seen as having figured things out. just watch, enjoy and be authentic. you dont have to see it all coming
Okay so on to HOUSE OF THE DRAGON lol. Its over!
You definitely weren’t supposed to know til it came out. It was book people who had the theories
I agree with your guys (as I'm sure alot of folks did) The ending of the show was TRASH. I get Danerys PTSD after ALL she went through & losing Musande (Who was like family to her). Yeah, I would've snapped too & said to hell with everyone! 🤷♀🤷♀🐲🐉🐲🐉
The problem is he’s never going to finish the books😂
History is told by the victors. In the 1st few episodes Cersei told Geoffrey something like "when you're king, the truth is what you make it." That pretty much sums up the situation. One side dies and the other side isn't there to give their account. So, those left alive get to spread propaganda. Pretty sure King Robert wouldn't want people thinking he started a whole war because his gf chose someone else. So, he made up a story. And everyone repeats it because they don't know any better.
Why is this a debate? Why not just soak it in and have fun with it?
Watch The Last Kingdom next it's great...I love your reviews
The excuses in this video are comical 😂😂😂 Yes, I would have a hard time keeping up and feel like the series was scrambled too if I talked during 50% of the dialogue and did not pay attention to context clues, emphasized camera shots, body language and non-verbal queues of the actors, etc. Your viewers and subs were asking you to pay attention more and not talk over the dialogue…. Clearly this was ignored, so your reactions continued to be filled with ridiculous questions because you were confused because your were not paying attention and missed something because you were talking. And your closing commentary was just as bad because you guys missed so much…. You guys would not pick up on a lot of things until like 8 episodes later…. Because y’all DID NOT PAY ATTENTION! I hung in there because I am a fan of the show, your physical reactions were very good, but that is is. The commentary and breakdowns were trash 🗑️! So, I will not be subscribing. I hope you guys work on things to improve and wishing you the best of luck! FYI, It is okay to admit that ya’ll talked to much during the dialogue of the show which kept y’all confused and lost during your reactions…. Just like it is okay to admit ya’ll were wrong about Dany, she turned out to be just like her father-genocidal Mad Queen (saying you don’t care she burned the innocent citizens after the city had surrendered because she could not control her emotions and temper in grieving, sounds bat ish crazy). Smh
Great reaction! It is very interesting to see your joint reaction to the film Robocop. This is a cool classic 👍🔥
We questioning you Sophie because you are arguing something that doesn’t make sense. We all were disappointed with ending. I guess dragons make sense Sophie? You are being really obtuse and not willing to even take information in. Jon was meant to rule because he was the rightful heir. Not Dany. Stop trying to tell us how to feel. You are broadcasting yourself then get mad about our opinion. We are fans of GOT we watched you watch and get information wrong. Move on you all were wrong about Ned and Lyanna and it didn’t make sense when you said that they were together and Ned was father. You are wrong not us we watched the show too and everyone knew what that reveal meant and no one believed it was Ned’s bastard after season 6 episode 10 except you and nothing pointed to that.
I watched show from beginning and to have Dany conquer Essos is one thing but when she tries to make Jon bend the knee and talking about harming Sansa and Arya. NO Arya and Sansa and Jon feel like family because they grew up in front of us. I would never support Dany over the Starks. Dany threatened to snd did burn cities to the ground killing thousands 31:37 of innocent people. NO
I remember when you guys started watching and Sophie acting all timid like she didn’t want to see violence and now she okay with killing and burning people? When Dany was burning the city down you guys said why is Arya there and she shouldn’t be there like you all didn’t watch her journey and where she came from just oh well she shouldn’t be there. If Dany would’ve killed Arya by burning her I would have hated her deeply.
Dany killing everyone because Cersai killed everyone is not an excuse for Dany almost killing everyone. We believe Dany was wrong and don’t support her killing everyone. You all feel it is okay for her to kill everyone so she can get throne and keep it including Arya Sansa Tyrion Jon because they shouldn’t have been there along with the thousands of other people? Okay NO we don’t agree. Now please move on stop telling us how to feel. We know how we feel. We questioned you and your feelings after what you saw is the issue. If you feel like Dany could kill everyone just move on.
Finally we all critiqued and criticized the writing. But I’m not a writer and neither are you two so we all pretty much agree episode 4-6 in season 8 we’re not great but you all are dragging it. Please move on to next show stop trying to justify how you feel cause we not going to change how we feel about the show nor how we feel about your reaction to the show so. Just please move on.
Sophie, you’re 1000% correct - there was no point in the show for John dying and coming back. He didn’t change. There were no consequences, no reason for this plot point. In the books, I think it will be very different. John will be different when he comes back. There will be consequences.
There is a LOT more magic in the books. More characters. A lot of differences. Most good, some not. Listen to the audiobooks.
Now maybe you guys should go deeper into the rabbit hole and get up to speed about the theories around Tyrion.
You might want to credit whose videos that is and put a link in the description or pinned comment. I believe the first video is from Alt Shift X.
No one knew that RLJ theory. It all came from the book readers. Show watchers only people never figured that stuff out. Me watching this in real time only found out about that RLJ theory cuz my friend told me to watch the RLJ video after season 5.
I'd be surprised if anyone ever said you should have figured it out from the first episode. But sure, the show could have done a better job of giving the clues as it went along.
So as far as where the books are at the stories end when Jon is killed. We've all been waiting over a decade to see what happens in the storyline. Yes the show continued on and used notes from J.R.R. Martin but they still went in their own direction. Part of me thinks that Martin has completely started to re write the next books because of the backlash from the series ending. He's denied it but I think that has to play some part.
You guys just start nearly every video just moaning at your viewers, be happy you have them!😂😂😂
Yeah these two are so pathetic
If they wait for the books to be completed. The cast would be dead(super long contracts)ha..The books will never be done. Maybe one day long in the future. Rewatch enjoy it on a dif level..No one guessed it 1st time around.
...this was a fan theory because it came out before the reveal.
No one got it or thought it by season 1…but by season 6, yes everyone out it together
It's not game of thrones' fault that you thought the show was gonna end with some avenger final boss fight between undead zombies and silver queen's dragons. That shit is a fairy tale.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news George is never gonna finish the books. He's lost interest I feel the last main line book a dance of dragons was back in 2011. And it's been 12 years so yeah. The fan base b*tches about this all the time.
Love you guys, your reaction was super entertaining. The whole R+L=J thing is really only cool if you rewatch the show and see the hints
The books are way better tho
That break doesn't sound like the brightest idea. Life happens, things happen, people age, people die etc and as you can see in 2024 we still don't have a new book. They consulted with the author of the book to get his end game and he gave it to them and it was their job to fill in the details. The rushed the details because they were trying to get to the Star Wars movie (which they got kicked off of because they fumbled here lol) It would've been fleshed out more with 2 full 10 episode seasons. Oh and the 1st theory video was well before the reveal in the show and while watching it wasn't as obvious to everyone, it was a theory that turned out to be correct.
I didn't know either... but guys, I never thought Ned had sex with his sister though 😂. It's OK though. GOT did have quite a bit of incest.