Canon fail embarrassingly with R5 MK2
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- New camera new body? sounds like an Apple release doesn't it. Nothing has changed much and we are supposed to sell up and buy it. I think Canon have had it good for too long and think the red ring is king. I beg to differ and stand by my reasons that it is not an upgrade.
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I agree that the R1 wasn't as much as a lot of people had hoped, but saying the R5 Mark ii was an embarrassing failure has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard from someone in the photography industry, and that saying something.
@@recrdholdr it’s was just overhyped , the wording was just a choice of one of many adjectives really 🤔
It's a meh camera
@@markshirley01 fact
@@markshirley01 no it isnt, its better than the nikon z8, which it literally was meant to compete with
@@adamhoskins8375you really need to improve your communication skills and actually think the entire video through before recording
Don't you think you need to use a camera for a few hundred hours to render a meaningful opinion?
@@NeverTakeNoShortcuts not always as most are the same . When you’re comparing minor improvements and not leaps in tech the final results are small. Most won’t notice and especially clients
Unintelligent blabbering.
@@orendo it’s just an opinion 😊
You are absolute correct. This guy just talking nonsense
@@maharshi5555 it’s just an opinion 😊
stupid analysis. Canon has beaten both Nikon and Sony in terms of autofocus, improved readout speed on R5 II and it is on par with rest on R1. Big viewfinder display, cooling vents, stacked sensor, digic accelerator, pre capture, 8k 60, sound in 4k 120, HD 240, 30 fps, dual video and image recording at same time. God knows what were u expecting from this upgrade.
@@ajss3756 but nothing really anyone needed as such. Big specs don’t really make it better. Do you really need all this stuff to capture a picture ? Do you need that much help ?
Sony’s AF is better than Canon’s for video. For photo most of the brands do fine
@@adamhoskins8375 Then why even release a new camera - these workhorse cameras and new features make it easier for the working professionals to earn their living.
@@vinhsanity it’s splitting hairs these days but it’s been over hyped . Sony are way ahead I feel
The readout speed is not on par with the others. It is about double or half the Z8 which has been out for a fair while now. It had to be faster the Z8, what was the point of a new backside sensor if it still has rolling shutter? Makes me wonder if Canon just can't compete anymore in sensor tech. I was really hoping for a fully adjustable fps electronic shutter with no rolling shutter. I was also hoping they would get rid of the anti aliasing filter as well.
Maybe its a camera for people that don't buy a new camera every year. I'm on an 80d so its a perfect upgrade for me.
This is exactly what it is to me. It's the camera I'll buy that will cover me for the next 10 years and be relatively competitive throughout.
@@matthewjames4268 couldn’t agree more as an upgrade from an 80d it makes sense completely
@@brandonthede7452 worth it in this context
better to go with a used R5 in about 3 months as idiots upgrade to the R5II. You'll get a great camera at a bargain price.
@@davepastern absolutely I’m all about a bargain
“I’m not here to say that there’s things missing, because I don’t think they could have added anything really” while the title calls it a fail… 😂
@@brookscurran we are in an area which is sort of at the edge of what we can do and not much more can be gained in real terms of making our work better or easier.
@@adamhoskins8375 Then shut the fuck up and keep your old camera, if you don't have constructive feedback then don't bother giving it at all. Saying we're on the edge of what we can do and then saying it's a fail makes you look stupid.
I can't wait for your video a year from now taking about how amazing the r5ii is!
@@bryllupmiami3499 I will wait until the mk3 or just buy another mk1
The biggest fail is the price... $4300 is just way too much. It needs to come in at $3800 like the original R5 did... I mean you can buy the R5 new for under $3000... $1400 more for what? To buy all new batteries at $80 a pop? A cooling battery grip for $400? Not when there are fairly competitive, full frame offerings at half the price. Lumix, Nikon are there and hungry... and Sony will for sure makes an announcement soon. I'm thinking an A7S4 that takes an already impressive camera (even compared to the new Canon M5II) and adds higher resolution, global shutter, and internal raw recording... Under $4k, and all with a body that has great glass available and a very open relationship with 3rd party lens manufacturers.
@@jdavidmusic it wouldn’t surprise me at all , canon are on the back end of releasing tech currently . Sony will have another iteration up soon . Canon are pressing the privilege cost of owning a camera with their badge on. I too feel there are so many better options. Nikon are doing very well and have made massive leaps
Actually for $4300 you could simply wait for the Z8 + 24-120 f/4 lens kit to be discounted again come November. The two benefits I could see with the R5 II over the Z8 is its smaller size, full pre-capture mode, and improved AF. The question I have is are those features worth spending an extra $800 for. Canon makes some great lenses, but where they fail compared to both Sony and Nikon is coming up with some decent mid-range telephoto lenses. Does Canon having anything in its lineup that competes with both the 600 f/6.3 and 800 f/6.3 PF Nikkor lenses? The 35, 50 and 85 f/1.8 prime lenses are fantastic and AFFORDABLE!!! To me Canon's biggest problem is justifying the prices it charges for its products. If I were a Canon shooter I would feel I am being ripped off.
@@michaellee3903 pricing for canon is just obscene
8k 60p w/ bird eye autofocus is a first for canon. I can use the 2lb 600 f11 lens to keep the weight down. No other camera brand has a 600 f11 equivalent for full frame.
yeah sure...and it's AF is limited to only a percentage of the frame, it's slow AF aperture wise, and optically inferior to even the 200-800 zoom.
Perhaps Canon did not fail, but we have failed with our expectations. All technological areas tend to mature.over time. Film cameras maxed out in the mid-1990s with the Canon EOS-1N and Nikon F5. DSLRs reached their plateau with the Nikon D850, even though they released the D6 and D780 after that. Mirrorless incorporated video technology, creating the hybrid cameras. In many ways, this is close to maxed out too. For most photographers, it's time to have the camera we'll use for the second half of the decade and stop expecting anything significantly new to improve our photography. A few edge case applications may benefit from new technology, but those are the exceptions.
@@UnconventionalReasoning I’d like to think that most consumers have a camera for 5-7 years . Minor iterations aside from certain cases it will suffice. Even most video content is still hd even though we have 4k and even 8k it has finite uses atm
@@adamhoskins8375 For a lot of consumers, it seems like it will be closer to 7-10 years. With the Canon 5D series, for example, a lot of people skipped alternate releases, so the were looking at options about 8 years apart.
The release cycle for some mirrorless cameras was compressed in the previous decade or two, and that is now slowing down. Even Sony, which had so many similar releases in the mid-2010s has slowed down, now branching out to other product lines like the FX-3/30 and ZV-E1/E10. In a way, the exception proves the rule: Panasonic GH5 [3/17], GH6 [2/22], GH7 [7/24], where the GH7 was released to introduce PDAF, after Panasonic had stubbornly stuck with contrast-detection AF.
Each new camera seems to offer one or two ground-breaking features. Many "camera buffs" seem to expect that their path is where the ground is breaking, but they might be on fairly stable ground.
I don't know why you think Canon R5II is a failure but I don't. I have already preordered the camera as it fits well in my kit
@@richmal50 it’s the over hype for a few extras. As a business it is money not well spent in reality. If you have the current iteration then there is no point .
Dude, you’re completely off lol - As an owner of the R5 and the R6 Mark II, who shoots both stills and video, the R5 Mark II has a long list of significant enhancements, including:
45MP Full-Frame Stacked BSI CMOS Sensor (much faster readout speed)
Dual Pixel AF
Eye Control AF
Up to 30 fps, Pre-Continuous Shoot Mode
8K 60p Raw & 4K 60p SRAW Internal Recording Using Full Sensor Width
4K 120p and FHD 240p
Raw and XF-HEVC S/XF-AVC S Formats
IBIS 8.5 stops in-camera
Clog 2, with 16 stops of dynamic range
Full sized HDMI
Waveforms
False color
No recording limit
Etc., etc.
@@jasona59 can you do the work you are paid to do with this? Is the above an absolute headache because you didn’t have this? Before this did you not get anything focus , did you clients notice, do you make more money because of these enhancements ? Will you business model change because of this one camera ? These are the things I look at.
@@adamhoskins8375 I currently get my work done with both my main cameras. I already have a very high focus hit rate. The features I mentioned will make it easier to get the shots I want while improving the end product, and like I said the R5 Mark II has enhancements.
Please note, that I personally have decided to hold off on upgrading to the R5 Mark II right away, because replacing my old computer first will have a greater impact on my workflow, especially when creating long format videos.
I’d say the title of your video is a bit harsh, and that the questions in your reply are much more reasonable.
Going back on some of your videos and it seem to me you appear to be a fairly negative against Canon and even at times other camera systems. I think you need to spend more time using some of these cameras before opening your mouth on You Tube. I photograph wild life and use and prefer higher megapixels and fast frame rates.
@@brucebrodie7388 I dont sugar coat things like most people unfortunately. This is also coming from a business perspective not a hobbyist so it needs to make financial sense
Imo, Sony and Fuji have been dominating most of the camera space, Canon and Nikon have been falling behind. Stray groups of people are diehard Lumix, Olympus, etc fans.
@@matthewroth1 agree, Sony
Have made a large dent in the arena
Canon did it intentionally. They have all the tech. They’re hoarding it.
@@mainmain5303 well you never know
i have the R6mii and i cant wait to upgrade to the R5mii.
@@HugoBarrientoss that would be a nice upgrade
I think you're just ignorant. Try to open your mind. Check Nikon z7 II. Brilliant sensor, outstanding picture quality but this canon r5mk2 autofocus is just mind-blowing. Try doing photography of kids playing with a dog with both cameras. Go to kindergarten, school, whatever game... This is game changer
@@drgziut I can already cope with my r5 and gfx. Prior to these I had no issues with the xt2 and h1 . You don’t need obscene amounts of tech to do your job.
@drgziut I agree. I am an amateur who was shooting landscapes and got into the Nikon Z after years of using Nikon Apsc Dslrs. The Nikon imagequality was always outstanding. When I got my z6 ii my autofocus struggle began. Subjects moving towards you, faster than normal walking speed were a game of fortune. When my daughter started crawling and the lighting wasn't ideal I had to use single point af as eye tracking simply couldn't keep up. With my daughter now running around and playing with the dog I finally gave in and switched to the canon r6_2. Now I enjoy carrying my camera with my when my daughter is playing. The sensor although it isn't stacked is fast enough to use the electronic shutter most of the time, eye tracking is working as it was advertised. Overall the canon camera feels more like a coworker than just a tool.
With the canon, I can take snapshots in situations full of action, and it feels like a companion.
@@johannes3154 I’ve always had canon and like
The interface and ergonomics . Having Fuji later on was different but not to much of a jump. The Sony menu was more
Difficult . Only used Nikon when the released the d800 which I loved . I was so use to using continuous single point it became my staple
@@adamhoskins8375 i even loved my d5500 feature where you were able to move the focus point via touch and drag. But the z6 ii, even in single point felt like focussing in Live view on a dslr. ;-)
well.... another self-proclamed specialist.....
@@deniskeith4796 no just my
Opinion but you are welcome to check my work and make your own opinion 😊
Not a great way to get subscribers
@@parmanduke we are all entitled to opinions. Otherwise it would be very boring, I quite enjoy this I’m not doing it for subscribers I have free time to expand other genres.
Hi Adam, please don't stop anyone from selling their r5 or r3 so I can finally afford it. 😂
@@monarchmedia614 there are some great discounts atm so you can grab a bargain . I think I may get a second body now , another r5 only £2100 or there abouts
I'm pretty sure you're going to be ratioed with this video.
@@tburt50_ well you never know
lots of Canon fanboys whiteknighting for Canon in the comments. You are 100% spot on mate.
@@davepastern it’s always the fans boys just can’t avoid them
@@adamhoskins8375 I just talk smack to the idiots.
You are 100% right. Even the positive reviews you can tell they are lifeless if not reluctantly put out. They missed. Big time. And I love Canon. But this will be bad
@@jrfstudio it has fallen a bit flat I think the hype killed it. It has been a weird month for canon
you have not uesd it so pull your head in!
@@taylormade190599 you don’t need to use such a tool when most cameras are very similar . Specs alone can tell you a lot. Most of it is just hot air you are not gaining anything. Most real world views are similar and canon have been late to the party with nothing special
LOL, Nikon shooter I guess?
@@ericvaughan11 lol no I’m canon and Fuji
The r5 mk2 seem like such a small incremental upgrade from the mk1, which doesn't make it a compelling camera to buy or upgrade to.
@@dylanstaples4130 exactly that.
Perhaps we could avoid thinking that the only role for the R5 mk2 is to be an upgrade for the R5 mk1? Photographers can be coming from a lot of other current use cases than just that. Perhaps someone got the original Canon R, and it suited them when the R5 was released less than two years later. But now, 5+ years later, they're ready for something new. Perhaps they're using the 5D mk3/4 and held off from the switch to mirrorless, and decide now is the time. The R5 mk2 technology should be sufficient for them for another 5-10 years.
@@UnconventionalReasoning I think if you are coming from the old 5d or R model then yes get it if in your budget. I was more thinking of people who were looking to upgrade or get a second body more so. I would buy another r5 if weddings were my main thing
@@adamhoskins8375 Sometimes we know why an upgrade helps our photography, especially operationally. Other times, we get the new tool and realize a way it allows us to do something we had avoided before.
It does seem that you're locked into one product path, the person having an R5 already. It kind of fits the mindset of the typical commenter more than the video creator.
@@UnconventionalReasoning I do a mix of both but it does serve both purposes for me with out having to upgrade . Using the gfx for large work and r5 as the work horse .
I will say this, you are starting to see more interesting images now with the high frame rates. Trump and a bullet, Nigel Farage getting a milkshake in the face etc. I agree it's specific cases that will make use of this feature. But like I said you get the split second instances more and more, not so much spray and pray hope you get it, spray and be confident you have a winner. And in another five to ten years all these features be introduced into lower end cameras, the day will come where every digital camera will have a global shutter.
@@bomberbinz what would be good for the future would be smaller files then you wouldn’t need hard drives and fast card readers . This will then impact on transfer rates and so on. That would fix a lot of tech issues . If a redesigned jpeg or raw could be done then that’s a multitude of things sorted in one hit !
@@adamhoskins8375 That would be good for RAW but most press photographers won't shoot RAW they will shoot JPEG. Quicker to sort and file over to an editor. When I was doing events film premiers 12-13 years ago you had people who would be sending during (Front row with a laptop on a stand clamped to the barrier) or sending after.
@@bomberbinz yes press is a different work flow . You never know someone may come up with something eventually
i think you were kicked in the head by a kangaroo to many times!!!!!!!
@@stevefitzgerald9193 what an odd statement , personally attacking someone on a social site.
@@adamhoskins8375 what an odd statement on a camera you have never even used
@@stevefitzgerald9193 opinion on an object not a personal attack on someone
Looking at this so-called upgrade and comparing it to say the Nikon Z8, I have to ask what was Canon thinking? If you have time go look up the camera specs comparison chart on the PhotographyLife website between the R5 II and the Z8. Even if the AF on the new R5 is vastly superior, it does not repeat it does not justify the $4300 price tag!! From a pure economics perspective I would go with the Z8 and the 24-120 lens kit when it's marked down $700 again later this year which will equal the same price you will get for just the R5 II body alone. Or if you're a Canon user who still using one of Canon's DSLR bodies I would simply wait for the original R5 to be marked down even further. You'll hardly notice the difference.
@@goodhealthpharmacy8889 absolutely makes sense with a huge discount
Ridiculous statement of course ! Another channel which the purpose is to make audiences by blaming,criticizing canon 😂. R5Mk2 will probably receive the "best camera oh the year " . You would rather go for a iphone rather than talking about a camera you don't have. It will be more relevant imho. 🙂
@@axelferis not blaming anyone just debating the price and specs as a direct upgrade to the original which I have
wtf is this?
@@sasquatchentertainment3568 a video 😊
Sorry mate you can't say what you are saying without even trying it ! Yes we did manage years ago but why manage when you can have the cream . As for your pricing you can get the r5 for £2098 new the r5 II is $4499 Get your facts right before you say things that are not correct.
in fact I only checked Wex and it still is £3600 but on some other sites its £2100 so yes that would be the better buy. Have you struggled with focussing then all this time until the r5 mk2? Very odd I think. Either way even it if did everything by thought I'd still be happy with the mk1. This is about cost versus business sense and value for money. Not buying because you can and have new camera syndrome. Like most it's not that impressive either way you look at it. Next you'll be going on about dynamic range ;)
@@adamhoskins8375 Sorry but were did I say anything about focusing ! Again I said nothing about dynamic range ! I never buy any camera gear or recommended it to others in a good or bad way before I have used the item(s) Unlike yourself in this vid !
@@paultrunfull3324 sometimes you don’t need to test if what you have works
@@adamhoskins8375 But you dont have the R5 II !
@@paultrunfull3324 yes I don’t need it , the upgrades are minimal and cost for someone who already has an r5
Totally agree with what you've said here.
@@markshirley01 thank you