Using The EAD with EVANS dB ONE system
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- A look at using the Evans dB ONE system with the EAD-10 for quiet home practice. The Evans dB ONE are designed to be louder than normal mesh heads, but much quieter than normal drum heads - the perfect heads for practicing at home without disturbing others - and as such work great with the EAD as its much more satisfying than just playing standard mesh heads - you can actually hear something! Check out the sounds on the video.
00:00 Introduction
00:12 The Yamaha EAD System - what it is, how it works
01:22 What are dB ONE?
02:14 The head differences
02:58 Snare head demonstration
03:07 No Concert Toms!
03:22 Test Tuning
04:01 What's Included?
04:13 The Cymbals
04:31 How Do They Sound?
04:43 AUDIO Completely flat - no FX
04:53 AUDIO With Reverb
05:02 AUDIO Alternating EAD and Room Microphones
05:23 AUDIO Preset 006 - 8th Note
05:33 AUDIO Preset 008 - Dirty
05:43 AUDIO Preset 009 - Fat Splat
05:53 AUDIO Preset 010 - Its 1985
06:04 So are they a 3rd option? Triggers? Feel?
06:35 In Conclusion
Great video, just what I need these days, thank you so much
Thank you!
Evans did a good job at incorporating a lot of the concepts that silent head users had been experimenting with over the past few years. The original single ply mesh heads had almost no volume and zero tone. This is because the pure mesh heads move no air and have zero interaction with a reso head. Folks started figuring out that if you put some gaffers tape, the mesh heads start moving air, and thus produced some tone from the reso. The very bouncy rebound was another issue low volume drummers ran into. Once they started experimenting with 2ply, 3ply, and thicker/heavier 1ply drums, you got to a better feeling rebound. I think Evans has done a really good job with the contact patch which not only moves air, but reinforces the strength of a single ply head and the "Kinetic Transfer Foam" help minimize the trampoline bounce you'd typically get with a single ply mesh. The snare sim is genius if you only want the snare sound, but I have a feeling that using a tom head on snare would allow the player to have both snares on and off sounds over just using the snare sim head.
I'm super impressed with Yamaha EAD still working with these though. That's amazing!
Agreed, but if you use a tom head on the snare and use the real snare wires, it would probably be significantly louder than the rest of the kit and would overpower it, when using the EAD at least. It is what it is - you're never going to record with it, but for a low volume practice set up, it works great.
Interesting video. Exactly what I was looking for!
Good! Pleased it helped.
This open a whole new world to me.
It was perfect review.
please mister simon, do more videos whith this setup. it's sound and looks so good. With headphones.
Well thank you. However, I don't know what else I can show you. Its a great combination - quiet and still great sounding. Maybe in the future I'll go back to it, so lets see!
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Top information !!
Good! Thank you.
I've been thinking about using a similar set up for my "quieter" gigs! This video was very helpful! Thanks a lot!!
Hi Pietro. Before you do anything, using dB1 with the EAD will not work in quiet gig situations. Because the dB1 are so quiet, you need to have the EAD microphones almost up full to capture the sound. That is great at home when you are practicing, but in a gig situation, because the microphones are up so loud they will also pick up anything else which is making sound - all the other instruments, and the audience. This was not intended for quiet gigs. It was intended for practice. I personally do not think the dB1 with low volume cymbals will be anywhere loud enough for even the quietest of gigs. Remember you are hearing this through the EAD10, not acoustically, so this is not what the audience would hear. If you connected the EAD on a set of dB1 up to a PA to make it loud enough for the audience to hear, you will get feedback issues as the gain is so high on the EAD. Consider carefully before continuing. The EAD10 is great. The dB1 are great. But combined they will not do what you need.
@@edruminfo Hey Simon! Thank you so much for such a comprehensive reply! I'll have to reconsider my options then.. It seems like what I want doesn't exist: a drum set that's somewhere in between an acoustic kit (too loud) and a "silent" kit (too quiet). I've been using eDrums for the quiet gigs I mentioned, but they just don't feel the same.. Once again, thanks for taking the time to reply! All the best
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Thank you too!
Hi Simon,
May I request another piece if advise
please, I do understand I can listen to
music through the AUX jack, but can I
connect to a main mixing unit and
pick up the complete mixed sound of
the band as I am ordering an InEar
piece and I am unsure whether I need
to purchase a seperate small mixer
for the drum kit as the AED module
will be connected to the main pa
sound mixing unit.
Will I pick up the full band sound of
the PA system through the
headphones port of the AED main
unit?, might be a dumb question
sorry?
Hi there,
This is really intriguing, I am interested in converting one of my 3 kits to a hybrid kit, I only use a 4 piece kit, and initially I was going to buy a DTX502 module with Roland PowerPly heads and the Yamaha DT50S and DT50K triggers, (which I still may do) however having seen this video, it has made me think again.
What I would like to know is are there sounds (rather than scenes) on the EAD10 that are similar to full samples like those found on the DTX502? For example the ‘Modern Rock’ kit?
What are the set up on the module to use the EAD10 with the mesh heads ?
Great demo, thanks a lot!
I am looking to run a very similar set up, but using the Remo silent stroke Mesh heads instead of Evans dB one. In your opinion, with the right tuning (not being too loose or too tight) do you think it'll function similarly to your set up? Cheers!
Hi. No, the Remo won't work even a quarter as well. The whole point of the dB ONE is that they are designed to have some tone (sound) but still be much quieter than normal heads - that is what the foam and patches are for. That increase in volume and tone is enough for the EAD to pick it up through the microphones so you can hear it on headphones. The Remo will just go 'ping' through the EAD. The Remo are fine if you want to add triggers, but by themselves, and through the mics of the EAD they don't do the same job.
@@edruminfo Thank you for the super detailed feedback!
can i trigger all set?
Low volume is cool but nothing beats the real thing! Even if played softer
Are you able to trigger the bass drum with a mesh head? I have a similar set up and I had to get a separate trigger for the kick because the EAD10 wouldn’t pick it up
You will need an external trigger Wirth ALL mesh heads as the lose the energy of the hit very quickly. I'm not using triggering in this video. Thats just the sounds of the dB1 heads through the EAD.
Using EAD, Evans dB One mesh head and LV cymbals, which of the following is recommended to use with: Yamaha MS45DR, Roland PM Drum amp or Yamaha PA speaker ( for a small room)
Hi Ellie. none of them I'm afraid. The EAD uses microphones and having it in a small room with speakers, at a volume you'd hear it over you hitting the dB Ones is going to cause feedback, just as any microphone system would. You're going to have to use headphones or In Ears. Hope that helps.
I love the heads except for the snare head. I'm not a heavy player, yet after about a month of daily use, the snare head had strands of the mylar break-away and dangle inside the drum. Sweetwater replaced it. There's no way to turn off the snare if you want to. As an experiment, I put the 14" tom head (ordered separately) on my snare drum, and it sounds incredible! It's super loud coming through the EAD 10, but that can be adjusted. It's way better than the dB One snare head. The Remo 14" Silent Stroke is better on the snare than the Evans dB One snare head.
Interesting to hear. Personally I think the SilentStroke with the normal snare wires doesn't sound that great through the EAD. To me it sounds thin, brittle and boomy. I'll have to do some investigating about what combinations work well for different things.
@@edruminfo I agree the Silent Stroke heads overall are a much thinner/weaker sound than the Evans dB ones. Before Evans launched the dB Ones, I added Pintech Mesh Head dots to my Silent Strokes to add a bit of tone that was sorely missing. They are about 3" round. The exact same size as the dot on the dB One Tom Heads. Evans one-up'd me by adding the foam under the mesh. Game changer! Still, I don't know what the thinking was behind the dB One Snare head. It's almost like it belongs to a different group of quiet heads. Well, I'm super happy using a 14" dB One Tom head on my snare. Sounds like it belongs to the set.
I also do not like the dB one snare head. I've been using the Roland V-drum head on my snare. While it's still made by Remo, it's 2-ply vs 1-ply so it move a little more air without taping. Among the three options, I prefer the Roland head on the snare with wires. If you're considering using tape, the Roland Remo head tends to produce buzzing due to the second ply slapping against the tape. Although the snare is louder with the Roland head, it's not as loud as a dB one tom head. I adjust the tension on the dB one tom heads to blend with the snare volume. I haven't experimented with this setup using the EAD10 yet, as I typically rely on regular drum mics - two overheads, snare, kick, and one placed between the rack toms - which pick up the kit adequately. By drilling a couple hundred identical holes in a regular bottom hat, except for the bell, the hats exhibit more liveliness with the higher mass bottom head. I repurpose the other low-volume hat for a splash. While the kit's volume surpasses that of standard low-volume kits, it still maintains around 30-40% of the volume of a regular kit.
Hi have a question wich is your configuration for mesh heads? Can you help me with this please cause it gives me dobles when i just hit one time.
Hi. This video does not use triggers. The sound you hear is the sound of these mesh heads through the microphones - no triggering. If you are using the EAD and you are triggering, try putting a piece of Moongel (or similar) between the head and the trigger sensor. That will help
@@edruminfo ok thank you very much
Hello Simon ,
I have pretty much the same set-up and I get great sounds but the bass drum trigger sometimes sounds like it booms but not consistently every couple of hits it booms.
Do you think it could be faulty ?
Maybe it's the bass drum itself.
It's being mounted right where Yamaha recommends.
Any idea Simon ?
Thanks mate 👍
P.S - Update, had a muk around with it and got the trigger working really good without any boom.
Turns out my front hoop is bent and is giving off unwanted sounds.
So no problems !
Hi. It sounds like you are triggering a sample - thats possibly what the boom is. Try playing the kick hard once, then turning down the Trigger knob and see if it still happens if you play it hard. If so the reason it is intermittent is that you haven't adjusted the trigger levels for your playing so your playing is right on the edge of either triggering or not triggering, so it only does occasionally.
That would be the next step to home/quiet drumming. Add eq to low volume acoustic sounds. It has been done with cymbals only, Zildjan, but not the "shells". I don't really like e-kits, the new ones are amazing, but still fully electric....
Is it possible to use e-cymbals with ead10?
Yes
hey Simon thanks for the replies, hey with rec n share app, if your recording a song at a gig when playing drums , do you have to press stop ,after each song , or can you keep it recording and edit after with the app?
Recording audio or video? If its audio, just connect the EAD to a computer and record over USB direct to whatever DAW you use. Don't use Rec'n'share - much easier on a computer. If its video, no, don't stop it between tracks, but you will be limited to the amount of recording time on your phone. I don't think there is a limit when recording on the App but the risk is that it only takes one glitch or drop out to mess the whole thing up.
@@edruminfo thanks .
How are you getting sound from the cymbals?
Hi Shane. The EAD10 is a microphone system. What you are hearing is ONLY through the EAD10. It picks up the sound of your drums and cymbals and mics the kit in 30 seconds. Its a great, and very clever, piece of kit. So the cymbals are being 'heard' through the small box on the bass drum.
Hi @edruminfo, do you think that the sound quality of low volume cymbals through EAD10 mix could get better or they are just picked up in loudness/noise?
Simon no matter what scene I set and store .. once I start playing...it always goes back to Arena - and it gets back to the factory settings .
What am I doing wrong . Please advice
You have, for some reason, managed to turn one of the inputs (bass drum?) onto Scene Down so every hit makes it go down a kit until it reaches Arena. Go to Menu / Utility / Pad Function / then hit everything until you find what is set to 'dec scene'. Change this to Off. Press Exit 3x.
@@edruminfo.. I'll definitely check on that. The only thing I can recall as of now is that I set the kick trigger to a Rock sound.
Could you also advise on how I can use the 'Studio One' DAW along with the EAD 10 to record.
All the youtube videos on EAD10 , the DAW's all sound amazing. For an unknown nobody of a drummer .. it sounds like trash.. kinda feel bad for spending the money. I'm sure it's a great but of gear .. just wish I could figure it out
@@alexmanojmathews The DAWs dont sound amazing - thats the EAD being recorded onto the DAW. Connect the EAD to your computer with a USB cable, open up Studio One, set the EAD as your audio interface. Set one audio channel to record through the EAD. Set one midi channel to record MIDI from the EAD. Hit record. You should then have one channel recording the stereo audio data from the EAD and one recording the MIDI data from your kick channel.
Can I use any triggers or do they have to be Yamaha?
No, they can be any, but you'll get the best results using Yamaha as they were designed to work perfectly with the EAD. Close second are Ddrum and 2box, then Roland last. Roland use a different voltage range so you'll get less dynamic range using Roland, but they'll still work if you're stuck.
@@edruminfo Thank you Simon!
Hi there what's the best stand for this?
Hi. Do you mean the EAD module itself? If so, I just use any Yamaha stand base as they all have the correct 22mm size post hole.
Thanks can you get them on eBay what's the exactbrand sir?@@edruminfo
@@edruminfo what's the cheapest?
@@brentdrummer5177 I'm using a Yamaha CS755 boom cymbal stand base, but you can use ANY stand with a 22mm hole.
@@brentdrummer5177 The cheapest Yamaha stand that will work is the CS755, but as I said above, you can use any stand with a 22mm hole.
Toms are very nice but the snare is terrible. Why didn’t they just go with the design of the Tom heads and let you just use your existing snare wires?
Could you try this please?
So a normal snare with ‘snares on ‘ coupled with a 14” Tom head
Because it would be WAY too loud in comparison with the toms and kick volume. The snare actually sounds great when used as it planned (bottom head on snare and heard acoustically) - its the EAD position which makes it sound brittle as the microphone is picking up all the sound from the open drum. Unfortunately I don't have a 14" dB ONE to try on the snare and I don't have any 12" snares (don't like them!) to try the 12" dB ONE one so I cant try it Im afraid, but Evans put a LOT of thought into this, so I'm guessing they did not consider it a viable option. I also didn't have much time to try different options before getting the video out. However, in context (in a track, not solo'ed) it actually sounds pretty good - not the same as an acoustic snare, but pretty 'snarey'.
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