Every Star Wars movie and show ranked (I bet you can't guess which one I HATE)
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2024
- Hi friends, today I'm ranking all the (live-action) movies and shows from the Star Wars universe. I filmed this right after basically staying up all night because of the Taylor Swift Era's tour, which means I'm a little more unhinged and candid than usual lol Please forgive the weird energy and don't get angry in my comment section and be nice, it's all in good fun 😂 I can't wait to hear about your favorite of these AND least favorite below!
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00:00 - Intro
01:20 - My ranking system explained
02:12 - Ranking starts 
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Honestly, I love this long-form content every bit as much as I love your usual, shorter formats. I'd be thrilled to see more videos at this length!
ok ok fine fine maybe someday I'll release my unedited unhinged rants that are like 40 min and then you'll all really suffer 😂
I seriously questioned my friendship with my best friend when he said solo was his favorite Star wars movie. I don't know what terrible choices he's made in his life, but they must be significant for him to come to that conclusion. This is a solid list in my opinion, very glad you listed rogue One as high as you did.
rogue one vs solo is just the best way to show the difference in world-building and writing.
remember: rogue one is basically a movie to explain why the death star has that silly little fatal flaw... yet the show is so well-made that it spawned... freaking Andor! the characters make sense, the expanded continuity has weight because of the rebels and all the new characters. the stakes are high and everything is keyed to the right level of intensity... and to top it all off, IT SOMEHOW MANAGED TO HAVE VADER'S BEST SCENE!
solo just felt completely forgettable or worse, self-indulgent. why not make it a tv series? then you can develop more of the world and have han do more space cowboy stuff... it didn't help that all the cheesy explainers were also terribly written and cringe-inducing. "so you're alone? han... solo, then." harrison ford was right to want his character killed off xD
I try not to fault people for liking Solo but it's hard 🙃
Solo isn't that bad. Ron Howard is a solid director. I had fun with Solo. TLJ, Kenobi and Book of Bubba Fatt are bottom of the barrel... with TROS only slightly higher.
@jonjon94Agree... Solo, Rogue One, Andor
I would put it slightly above Kenobi, ROS, and Boba Fett, but it's still pretty bad. Still definitely in the "What is happening zone" though.
I love hearing your nerdy rants! Keep them coming 🎉 I would have still watch this if it was 40 minutes 😂
Next time I'll go into the deep dive on why everything Padme wears is a revelation
@@Bookborn 🤩
I know it's a lot, but you should make some time for the Clone Wars and Rebels. Particularly for Prequel fans it really redeems those movies and adds so much to the story.
I have heard nothing about amazing things about Clone Wars and I really will watch it all some day. I've seen a few episodes!
@@Bookbornyou really should watch both series, it is a must
I love your videos so much, that I watched this one, even though I have not seen a single Starwars movie😂
Only thing I would disagree with is TPM and ROTS, I'd definitely swap those.
Yeah I can totally see that. I think I’ve lost objectivity on TPM because I just loved it SO much as a kid 😂
@Bookborn I like this forthcoming choice! It shows fondness in a way! As RotS had of course THE turn but as far as exposition, yeah, TPM feels especially in retrospect and theories about QGJ hits most!! AotC is the bridge...
@@Bookborn I feel like we all have that one. For me it was the clone wars because it hit me when I was young and just loved all the action scenes!
@@Bookbornattack of the clones was the first Star Wars movie I saw in theaters and as much as I hate the dialogue that movie inspired my love for Star Wars
@@josiahdoddema3265 Look I get the dialogue can be cringy but Clone Wars has some amazing moments, I absolutely don't fault you lol
Your ranking tiers are delightfully unique and fun.
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the animated shows too.
Like you, I came out of Force Awakens thinking "well, they played it super safe, now they can take it somewhere interesting for the next two." Ha ha... oh the naive optimism.
So many of us were really convinced they were going to actually do something with the sequels huh 😭
@@Bookborn I actually calmed down some friends of mine after it came out by rationally talking through how they got the play it safe movie out, and now they get to do some really interesting story stuff, because clearly that's the plan.
Well damn, look at all that egg on my face. You could feed my entire neighbourhood with that much egg.
Luke’s story in TLJ helped my little brother overcome huge anxieties in his life, so this movie and what happens with Luke will always matter to me, even if it doesn’t work for others.
I'm with you regarding the prequels and regard the fight scene between Obi One, Quigon, and Maul, paired with the epic Duel of the Fates piece by John Williams is easily one of the very best moments (well, set of scenes) of the entire Start Wars universe!
Ok YES. that song and fight scene together is seriously one of the best cinematic scenes in history and I stand by it. Literally ICONIC.
except it ended on a pretty bleh note... made extra bleh by the inconsistent usage of force powers. remember when they had some sorta super speed when they were infiltrating the ship earlier? they were having such a well-choreographed fight but somehow QGJ exposes his belly for maul to stab? maul later gets halved; but he survives! yet QGJ with a clean stab dies almost immediately after giving obligatory final instructions... and to top it all off, rey later shows us FORCE HEAL exists xD
@@alveolateactualky maul surviving is something that REALLY bothers me but as it’s not shown in those prequels I didn’t know about it for a long time. In my head he’s dead-dead 🤷♀️ basically I get what you’re saying
great list, i pretty much agree, but i would put solo in the great section. probably because i'm not the biggest star wars fan, but i really liked how they explained and showed a bunch of stuff.
It hurts a little but I'll allow it 🤣
Such a great video. Love your thoughtful analysis and completely get why you have a soft spot for the prequels. As a kid who was born in the 70s and grew up in the '80s, that is probably my biggest gripe with your list because I really did not like the prequels except for revenge of the sith which was okay. I also would have ranked Mando a little higher and Rise of Skywalker to me was the only one that in that bottom tier. There were so many issues with it, and I completely agree that walking away from the Rey being nobody was a huge mistake. I also hated reincarnating palpatine, but more than anything, I hated that it literally felt like a completely different story from the previous one, which was admittedly flawed. You could actually see the internal fighting that happened at Disney to make this movie reflected on the screen, which can't be a good thing. Thanks again for the great video
I still get SO angry about how they got two directors who completely didn't agree and just... let it happen? are you KIDDING me? The first six Star Wars, even if you don't like the prequels, at least tell a consistent, and complete story. How could you start filming sequels to one of the largest franchises ever before agreeing on the overall PLOT? BASICS.
@@Bookborn amen to that. Keep kicking butt.
I collected those pop cans too! So great to see I wasn't the only one nerdy enough to do this lol The picture of the cans made me so nostalgic.
It's nice to see that other people enjoy the prequels as well! My favorite is ROTS, but TPM and AOTC are criminally underrated and don't deserve the amount of hate they get sometimes.
Return of the Sith does have a lot of great moments, and from my comment section, seems like the favorite among prequel apologists, so you aren't alone!
I think the Phantom Menace has one of the best light saber fights in Star Wars, and the rest of the movie is passable. I can't stand the Attack of the Clones dialogue. It's the hardest prequel movie for me to watch. Return of the Sith was epic, and had the best action sequences of the prequels, and some good writing too. It just lacked the humor and charisma of the original trilogy. If it had that, it would have been a great movie.
@@darrennewenhouse7334 Bro just watched the romance scences and thought it was all of AOTC
Great video! I love Star Wars. It's one of my favorite fictional universe's, from playing with action figures as a kid and being way too happy about wearing a Darth Maul backpack into my 2nd grade class, to watching and reading them annually as an adult. Beyond ignoring the core elements of what made us love the original characters, the biggest problem with the sequels is they make the universe feel repetetive, small, and inconsistent. With the different eras of Star Wars we get in the movies and the Expanded Universe timeline, while there are elements of consistency with the battle between Light and Dark, the landscape with how those battles take place are constantly changing based on the actions of humans and how it impacts the galaxy. Disney completely halted, went backwards, then blew up, the storytelling progression and logical consistency of the universe because they never understood it in the first place.
I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on some of the SW books if that's ever on the table! I'd be curious to hear what you've read so far and if you'd be open to trying others.
May the Force be with you!
I'm def opening to trying more! I actually just read my first Thrawn book this year! I read most of the books when I was a kid, so I've only really read the more juvenille-focused books, like Young Jedi series (I think that's what it was called?) and the Jedi Apprentice series, as well as the novelizations of the books and some random Leia books here and there. Ok, that was a long way of saying I have to catch up on some of the more important adult Star Wars books in the future lol
@Bookborn Awesome! Hope you enjoy them :) Being well over 100 books it can be tough to decide what to read. Mike could probably help there. He has some videos on that topic. But I have some time to burn at the airport, so here are some spoiler free notes on what I'd consider some of the 'essentials' chronologically, to aid in deciding if you're interested:
Darth Bane Trilogy - These are dark. Important moments in Sith history, with events setting the stage for the main story 1000 years before it happens. What makes these books so good is that you're reading from the perspective of someone learning how to become more powerful and more evil, but I often found myself rooting for him, and I'm not sure why. It's great!
Darth Plagueis - This could be considered a sequel to the Bane books, tying it right into the movies: "Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?" - This is both that story and backstory for Palpatine.
Kenobi - Much better than the Disney show. Smaller scale, rather than bombastic. This book is a Western, a story about conflict between Tatooine farmers, native Tusken Raiders, and the strange outsider named Ben who appeared recently. Obi-Wan is rarely the POV character, but it works very well. Underrated book.
The Han Solo Trilogy (AC Crispin's books) - These are great world building books. The better backstory for Han, both tragic and fun. Quick reads. Written before the prequel movies, so some of the stuff with Boba Fett doesn't make sense canonically. The climax sequences in a couple of the books are excellent.
Shadows of the Empire - Events between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, nicely filling in that time. Enjoyed Luke's growth and Vader's conflict quite a bit in this book. There is some excellent comedy. A couple scenes had me cackling out loud. However, a warning I feel obligated to give (mild spoiler ahead): There's an uncomfortable and creepy scene with one of the main female characters and a male villain. It turns out ok in the end, but I hated reading that part of the book (maybe that was the intent?). Other than that, the rest of this book is good, but if you don't want to read about an alien attempting to forcibly coerce sex by using pheromones, then not reading this one is understandable.
Truce at Bakura - This book is immediately after Return of the Jedi, while our heroes are still on Endor. I'll say it, the alien villains of this book are kinda silly and bad. But the plot as the first diplomatic actions of the post-Emperor Rebellion, and the character work, is what makes this book worth reading. Leia in particular, still grappling with the knowledge that Vader was her father, is very good stuff.
Thrawn Trilogy - You're reading it so you know. Considered the main first continuation of the story.
Hand of Thrawn Duology - Can't say anything here, but sort of finishes this era of Star Wars books before the NJO begins.
New Jedi Order - I'll defer to Mike's video that says why this series is important to him and worth reading. He does it better than I could.
Legacy of the Force - The next big series of books. The children of the main characters are now main characters themselves.
These books I feel enhance the overall story of Star Wars. There are tons of books in between these too, many of which I haven't read yet and intend to. What's neat is you can sort of pick and choose to read from whatever time period interests you most.
A couple bonuses from new 'Canon'. While I'm not a fan of the new stuff generally, I have to give credit Claudia Gray, who wrote both of these and I really enjoyed both of them:
Master and Apprentice - A story with Obi-Wan learning as Qui-Gon Jinn's apprentice. It's a good, fun stand-alone Jedi adventure.
Lost Stars - This is the equivalent of a Star Wars rendition of Romeo and Juliet. I'm usually not big on romance, but I thoroughly enjoyed most of this book (lukewarm on the ending). You follow lovers who find themselves on opposite sides of the war as events from the original trilogy unfold. It shows the effects that Empire propaganda had with brainwashing people. That element of the Empire always fascinated me with how it translates to real life, and I thought it was done really well here.
When Darth Vader yelled "no" in ROTS I laughed for like... A half an hour
It doesn’t get any less funny I could not contain my laughter while watching again 🤣
Don’t ever apologize for being a prequel apologist. 🤌🏻
I highly recommend the Pitch Meeting for the Star Wars Christmas Special, it recaps its greatness in about 6 minutes! And it's a good call to avoid Boba Fett but I must admit that the ensuing rant would be amazing to witness lol
Didn't know there was a pitch meeting on that one, love that channel, will def go find it haha
I had the same experience with TPM as a teen when I first watched it. I was obsessed! For me into SW in general, from the original movies to books.
Wow!! We are spot on with all of this!! Definitely on the same page!! I agree with all your points 😄😄... You're saying everything I've been saying all along!! 👍
Loved your video and your list 🎉🎉😊
Did yuh watch Ahsoka by any chance, because I know it came out after this video🥹 she’s one of by favs ❤❤
I watched the first episode and didn’t continue on 😬 I love Ahsoka as a character but didn’t like the direction of the show and didn’t hear anything amazing that told me to continue
@@Bookborn that’s fair, respect that.
As I originally couldn’t get through Andor when it first realised, due to the first 3 episodes.
But I revisited it and enjoyed it, such a superb show
I highly recommend to revisit Ahsoka. Trust me, no spoilers, but the connections… certain appearances and how progressive the character of Ahsoka was in the first season makes the second season long awaited, plus so much love and time was put into the show just like Andor.
Plus this show reflects across Ahsoka’s entire journey.
Ahsoka & Andor may be different levels
But they are both excellent
Perfect perfect list. And I might try Andor now. I had given up all hope after watching Obi Wan.
As you should have, that chase scene was ridiculous 😭 but do try Andor, it’s very good
Early!! This is such a fun idea!
Fun stuff! Haven't seen the tv serials just the movies so can't comment on those. Your comments made me think, imagine if Solo had described the arc of an optimistic naive young man who is made bitter and cynical by the realities of life under the Empire, and embraced selfishness and a life of crime. Totally family-unfriendly in the plot and messaging, but could have been really different and potentially a 'good' movie set in the future, rather than more space opera. I did like Kylo Ren's story arc, more so than Rae's which again was not particularly original.
AND THATS WHAT IT SHOULD"VE BEEN. Wouldn't have been that hard, tbh. Although, in general, I do think prequels are hard for the reason that a character arc is usually completed and it's hard to go back. The OG prequels work because Lucas always had Anakin's complete story arc in mind - meaning only half of it is seen in the originals. Andor works super well because idk the Andor creator knows what he's doing 🤣
@@Bookborn The thing about Luke that a lot of people forget for some reason is that he's a Jedi, and Jedi aren't supposed to train family members. He trains Ben Solo, who is the son of his twin sister and best friend, and never creates a contingency for if he goes dark. So Luke breaks the rule by having an attachment. Then the worst thing happens...Luke senses darkness in him, reads his mind and sees that he has already slaughtered people. So it becomes the "Trolly Moral Dilemma." By not killing his nephew, though he'd kill anyone else that posed a threat to the galaxy, he sacrificed his new jedi temple, his students, several planets and billions of lives. Almost like his father did to save his wife and unborn child(ren). So Luke acted like he always acted, as a pacifist when it came to family. Love is the death of duty. I thought TLJ was absolutely beautiful.
Solo was bad but has one of my favorite movie theater memories. We were laughing at all the fan service and my friend got up to go to the bathroom and said “it’s not like the Sith are going to show up”. While he was gone boom Darth Maul. He didn’t believe me until he rewatched the movie.
Ok but this is legit so funny 😭😭
@@Bookborn We still joke about it haha it was so funny
Really appreciate your nuanced takes on an often polarizing subject. 😅Hope to see more Star Wars content in the future! I would recommend you watch the highlights from the Star Wars Holiday Special just so you can understand why George Lucas hates it so much. 🤣
Look I watched a 3 min clip while putting this video together and I think I get it already 💀
I have all those Episode I PepsiCo cans boxed up somewhere.
I was able to collect all of them as they came out except for Darth Maul. The next year I was at my aunt's house and was surprised to find one in her garage fridge, allowing me to complete the set.
Some of the ones I collected we never drank, so my family ahd to end up throwing them out when they inevitably got weird and started leaking. I'm so impressed you still have the entire collection!
Please don’t fight me, but Rogue One is my favorite SW film by a long shot. I’m happy that you put it in A tier.
It only makes me a little sad, but not too sad because I do think it’s a fantastic film!
Great video, I also loved the phantom menace as a kid, you got me beat I went 5 times to see it lol You have the coolest dad I cant believe he took you to see it after you lost your tooth lol just curious though you said you have the books and have read them who is your favorite character from the Expanded Universe? Mine is Jacen Solo him and his sister Jania are just the best, and I have always thought he was such a better villian when he turned to the dark side and became Darth Cadeus than what we got from Disney with Kylo Ren. And its a travesty what Disney did to Luke I always hoped to see him on the big screen with Mara Jade from the books. Sorry for the long comment like you said its just star wars its fun lol
Ok well the problem is I read most of the books when I was a kid, so I really read the more kid-focused books like Young Jedi's and Jedi Apprentice and random leia books and the novelizations of the movies and stuff like that. I'm going to star working through the more official adult ones, I started with the first Thrawn Trilogy this year. Anything you highly recommend??
@@BookbornThe First Thrawn trilogy is great, and where you read the Young Jedi books I would say Start out with the New Jedi Order books. Vector Prime by R.A. Salvatore is the first book of that series and it's a fantastic start it's a 19 book series all are good but you have some really great ones in that series to. I won't say anything to spoil it for you just get your tissues ready for Vector Prime shew that book gutted me the first time I read it lol I also Recommend the Darth Bane trilogy it was also very good. I would also Recommend if your a dark side fan, to read lost tribe of the sith the collected stories, it's some very good short stories set like 5000 years before a new hope. I think those are some really good places to start in the EU especially Vector Prime I feel the majority of star wars fans love that book. And omg you where so right after the disappointment I had in the Obi-Wan show I was reluctant to give Andor a chance after watching your video and a friend of mine Also said it was just phenomenal I finally broke down and watched it, binged it over the past two days and I'm absolutely blown away, why can't Disney get all there star wars content like that show absolutely loved Andor I totally agree it was perfect.
I love this ranking so much - it shows Bookborn is a true Star Wars fan. A "true" Star Wars fan is a fan who has OPINIONS. I have to admit that I'm at most a low-tier level Star Wars fans. I do have OPINIONS on various Star Wars things, but for the most part I'm just easy to satisfy.
Anyway, I do recommend checking out The Book of Boba Fett. They do something a bit unexpected with Boba Fett's story and character development, and Fennic Shand is absolutely delightful.
True Star Wars fans have opinions and are too loud about them so true 😭
I think your list is spot on with mine. I’m surprised you didn’t include Clone Wars the movie, Clone Wars the series and Rebels.
I briefly state in the beginning that I was keeping it to live action to make things easier!
@@Bookbornthat’s a far point 😊
Will you do a separate ranking for the animated 🎉🎉
Really enjoyed this ranking not too different from my ranking
Once you said, you were a prequel apologist, i knew your tier tist was going to be good
Prequel apologists RISE UP
Aye, I agree with that. Though personally I would put Revenge of the Sith a bit higher.
My list would be very similar to yours except Hope and Empire are 1 and 2 with Rogue 3rd best. And Andor is fantastic! Love your channel!
That throne room fight is a very controversial scene! 😂
It’s a beautiful setting thematically, but the actual fight choreography is horrible. Worst large budget movie fight ever. I will never understand why they didn’t use the guy that coordinated the prequel fights. He’s still alive and his work is incredible.
THat's sooo funny, I loved the choreo, but see I know nothing about cinema/movies so I'm that basic person in the room who is like "wow cool!" 🤣Admittedly, it is interesting to hear you say the guy is incredible who coordinated the prequels, because I do think they have the best fight sequences.
A video on the books would be fantastic. I wanna read them but no idea where to begin
I literally don't even remember the Solo movie at all, even though I know I watched it- so I am incapable of loathing it as much as you. Lol
But that, in and of itself, probably speaks fair volumes all of its own. ^^
Andor is my favourite example of why I hate the prequels :)
Empire Strikes Back was one of the first movies i got to see in the theater without my parents. We had to get to the theater early because the lines were so long everyone was excited. It was almost like waiting in line for a rollercoaster. Expectations were so high that you would think it would be impossible for the movie to live up to that, but it did. People would walk out of the movie and go straight to the ticket booth to buy tickets to see it again. There was no way to improve on Empire so i think star wars fans were always sort of doomed to be disappointed. If there were 2 brain cells to rub together at Disney they would not have gotten anywhere near Star Wars, but they had their hubris.
Unfortunately, I fear, Disney has gotten everything they wanted out of Star Wars whether it's good content or not... 💰
This might be the best Star Wars opinion I’ve ever seen. Phantom Menace is my favorite!
ROTJ was the first Star Wars movie I ever watched so that is my favorite. I rented it so much he was constantly asking me if I wanted to rent a different movie haha. The original trilogy will always have a special place for me.
Solid list. I originally saw Star Wars in 1996 after my dad got the Original Trilogy on VHS in the 1995 "One Last Time.." box set that came out before the Special Editions came out in 1997. Though I had watched both the Droids and Ewoks cartoons when I was even younger, had the toys and had the third issue of the Star Wars: Dark Empire comic book series. What got me into Star Wars, being that I am a Star Trek fan since birth, were the novels. Particularly the Han Solo Trilogy by A.C. Crispin, which did Han Solo's backstory a thousand times better than Solo did, and the X-Wing series by Michael A. Stackpole and Aaron Allston. My best friend in the sixth grade lent them to me. I saw The Phantom Menace in theatres twice within a week of each other, and then didn't see Attack of the Clones or Revenge of the Sith until they came out on home video. I saw the remaining movies and shows as they came out. I went to the first showing of Rogue One on the Thursday night preview night and, while I'm not as big of a fan of that movie as other people are, I still enjoyed it for what it was. I didn't see Solo in theatres though. I thought it was pointless because my Han Solo backstory had come out 21 years earlier in the novel trilogy by A.C. Crispin, and the movie felt wrong. I love The Mandalorian, though I do think season one is the best season. They keep trying to cram too much into these six to eight episode seasons and it doesn't work. I like Obi-Wan Kenobi just because Ewan MacGregor and Hayden Christensen got to reprise their roles, which nobody could've anticipated happening. The sequels aren't great either. Book of Boba Fett was pointless and really just a way to get Mando and Grogu back to together without wasting time in The Mandalorian to reunite them. And I haven't watched Andor yet. That's just a me thing though, it in no way represents the show as a whole.
Great ranking. Solid fandom reasoning. I agree with about 95% of this, but I still have the Rise of Skywalker dead last. Book of Boba Fett felt like Mandalorian season 2.5. If you ever decide to watch it, there are a few characters in that show that took me out of the Star Wars universe altogether. Also, I'd swap Ep 1 and 3 in your ranking. That order 66 scene is one of the best scenes of the prequels!
MOST people seem to swap out TPM and ROTS so I really need to revisit that one and just ignore the "NOOO" Scene 💀
And the Duel on Mustafar is the best lightsaber duel, I will die on this hill.
@@KaiHung-wv3uleasily
I also came late to Andor because I had sworn off of Disney Star Wars after being burnt by the Kenobi and Boba Fett shows (and had serious issues with the sequel trilogy). Andor is A+, what I had been wanting of Star Wars for a long time.
My personal ranking of the movies from worst to best:
Attack of the clones
Rise of skywalker
Phantom menace
Solo
Force awakens
A new hope
Rogue one
Return of the jedi
Revenge of the sith
The last jedi (dont hate me plz)
Empire strikes back
Some context for this list:
I grew up watching the originals a lot of the time and i also watched the prequels a fair bit
I have seen everything else from force awakens and rogue one in theaters
As someone who knows almost nothing about star wars, i loved the han solo movie 😂😂
My hatred is absolutely irrational, you really shouldn't listen to me on it 😂
@@Bookborn 😂
Do you still read any of the Star Wars books? I find myself avoiding the new stuff put out, but have been really enjoying digging through and finding some of the older ones I missed.
My hot take on Star Wars is that I liked the Last Jedi. I wish they would have changed a few things, but I enjoyed a lot of it.
So I'm actually really polarized on the Last Jedi because there were actually a lot of things I did like about it, but the way they handled Luke drives me SO crazy, it's hard for me to give it anything but a bad score.
@@Bookborn I can completely see that and even mostly agree. I think if Rey had found another disenchanted Jedi who wasn't Luke people probably would have liked that story. Instead they just decided to show a beaten and fallen version of our hero and that definitely rubbed many people the wrong way.
Obi-Wan is AMAZING!! Great story!
Boba Fett was a very strange setup of disjointed elements, weirdly it also contains a piece of Star Wars sequel - mostly in episode 6 you get a lot of AI-enhanced Luke trying to train Grogu at his Jedi training academy under construction. Episode 5 was a complete Mandalorian episode. To continue the Mandalorian storyline you should watch episodes 5-7.
Mandalorian season 3 was not that bad, it contains some new angles and plots. And it also explores the thing you mentioned, former imperial officers at least seeming to turn (although most people complain this was boring, I found it more of an adult content, not that action-packed but interesting).
Oh interesting, I don't mind not action-packed, so that sort of stuff never usually bothers me. I just heard there was some weird inconsistent world building and maybe an episode with Lizzo and Jack Black (which somehow seems wild LOL)
The prequels have such staying power. Pod racing, Darth Maul, Grievous. Maybe its because star wars is just that big, but they have stuck with me. I thought Solo was mid, but I am not the largest of Star Wars nerds. When you do a LOTR character ranking I will be locked in.
Idk where to even begin with an LOTR character ranking, I love every character too much 🤣
really like this list
My rankings are very different (RotS is the only prequel I unironically enjoy and I love TLJ, partly cause of Luke's story, lol), but I still had a great time watching this ^^
I'm hoping Star Wars fans get to the place where we can civilly disagree, cause I don't think that's very common in the fanbase.
I watch you for book content, but this a fun way to mix up the stuff 😊
Luckily everyone here has been super great! It’s silly to get so heated over stuff like this, much more fun to hust discuss!
I'm Gen-X, so I dont like the Prequels or Sequels, but appreciate your honest opinion on them, and largely agree with your other comments
We share a braincell!!! I feel pretty much identical on all of these! The one slight difference is that Revenge of the Sith is *almost* my favorite, purely because of the score. John Williams is an incredible artist and made every emotional scene punch so hard even when the actors/lines couldn't carry them. I also didn't totally love Phantom Menace for a long time, but my son's obsession with it made me see all the greatness in it.
My son who is very small already knows who John Williams is because I rant about how amazing he is at least once a month 🤣 Like, The duel scene in TPM? I'm sorry, EPIC. That scene would not be anything as close to what it was if it wasn't for that incredible song behind it.
@@Bookborn 1000%!!!!!
Don't apologize for how long it is. The lengthy rant about Solo is the best part of the whole video. I agree with every take here, though perhaps I would have put Mandelorian a little lower, based almost entirely on it being overrated and overhyped.
It def IS overhyped, I completely agree with you. It's not as amazing as everyone says it is, but I was entertained and it doesn't break anything really in the Star Wars universe, which is sadly a high bar to cross these days apparently
Some thoughts:
- Agree totally about your assessment of the prequels, their stories are excellent buried under clunky/bad dialogue and not the best direction. But so much about those movies is fantastic, I love that you brought up the fashion, Amidala's looks are amazing, but the varied Jedi costumes, the clone armor, the looks of the different droids. And Dooku is tragically featured in the worst of the 3, but he is iconic.
- I like Last Jedi a lot, I disagree with a lot of the takes out there on it. I think there are some amazing ideas there, and I actually think Luke's story there is great, though I wish they didn't show the flashbacks to his breakdown, let it be ambiguous. That said, I understand why it didn't work for everyone, and I wasn't pleased with the sequel trilogy overall anyway. I would have rather had Johnson's take on an original Star Wars story rather than a saga entry, and I wish JJ hadn't been involved at all.
- I will always go to bat for Solo, on the basis that it is a fun and serviceable Star Wars adventure if you just pretend that the lead isn't Han Solo and is instead a wholly original character in the universe. Ehrenreich is charismatic enough as a lead, but he's not Harrison Ford, and he's not Han Solo. And I fully agree that explaining backstory stuff from the OT is unnecessary and giving Han a heroic arc before his heroic arc is dumb. But the story works as a stand-alone one-shot about some random thieves operating in the galactic underworld. AND IT INCLUDES A TRAIN HEIST, IN STAR WARS!
Edit to add: Andor is the best Star Wars thing.
Ok I love the idea of Solo not being about Han Solo because then you are right about the movie - all my problems nearly disappear. And that's also why I wish they'd take more risks and do star wars stories about random characters and not established ones - so many stories they could tell!
What a Herculean task! It's as insane as it is magnificent! Brava!!
I should do this. I don’t think I’ve ever actually ranked all SW things for myself. 🤔
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I made myself do this off the cuff instead of planned, and it's weird how many times I was like "huh, I've never really thought about exactly where I'd place these" lol
Fun book review idea: Original Tim Zahn trilogy - Heir to the Empire/Dark Force Rising/The Last Command - The TRUE sequel to the OT.
I agree with almost all of your choices. In my eyes, Revege of the Sith is one of my favorite movies of all time, Even more so than all of the originals. Ad the novelized version is even better. I highly recommend you read all the Star Wars movie novels if you haven’t already. They’re amazing, and give a lot more insight to the stories.
Sorry to say you forgot two classic Star Wars movies: The Battle for Endor and Caravan of Courage!! If you’re going to include the Holiday Special you have to include those two gems, hahahaha.
I have to admit that apparently I'm a fake fan...I literally always thought the Battle for Endor was animated! I had no idea it was live action until people have been telling me in the comments!
After seeing some of the content beyond the main storyline, I'm using the following two thoughts to frame my readings of the narrative so far. 1. The greatest lie the Sith have ever told is that there are only ever two of them. 2. Yoda and the rest of the council have a very accurate sense of the word balance. As for the rankings, Boba Fett sold Han out to Jabba and will get no extra eyeball time from me in anything for which he is the star. Mandalorians can take their armor and polish it until the cows come home. If those bounty hunters were not necessary from time-to-time, they would be better off guarding the Imperial bank roll on some third moon somewhere.
I like your thinking for the most part. I think the only things I would change is revenge of the sith over the other prequels by a long shot.
That seems to be the consensus tbh lol so maybe I need to go rewatch all three in a row and see if I’ve changed my opinion 🤣
@@Bookborn yea I’m a bit like you with Phantom Menace though, that was the one I rewatched the most as a child. But as I got older Revenge of the Sith got better overall, and I think once you watch the clone wars it will be so much better for you
This is a great ranking! Pretty similar to mine overall. My biggest difference is I do like Revenge of the Sith more than The Phantom Menace. I also didn’t hate Solo quite as much as you. And you’re definitely not missing anything by having skipped Boba Fett. What a lame show that was.
I'd say 99% of my comment section enjoys RotS more than TPM so I guess I really need to rewatch it now and just ignore the "nooo" scene and get over it 🤣
I personally liked TFA, I felt like it had an element of like "time repeats itself and the force is a cycle" or whatever and I thought it had the potential to be a great set up for the other two movies to expand out into something new and original... which I guess they did but not in the way I wanted 😂 But I thought Adam Driver was great, I thought the Kylo/Rey dynamic had the potential to be really interesting, I'm a sucker for the nostalgia factor... just a shame the rest of the trilogy took a nose-dive!
Adam Driver is super great and one of the reasons Kylo doesn't completely fail as a character, imo, especially in the Last Jedi. He brings a lot of gravitas to the role.
I thought TFA was one of the worst stories every told in the history of storytelling. Something can repeat without being derivative, like the hook of a song. The hook is to reinforce the theme, to burn the theme in the listeners memory so that there's tired to road traction for the listener. TFA repeats the hooks and tries to rhyme the same word three times in a row, and those words belonged to the tracks in the first part of the album. Its a nonsensical random remix of the first three tracks of the album. It was absolutely uninspired and it felt like it was made by artificial intelligence before a.i. art was a thing.
@@Bookborn TLJ's Adam Driver is my favorite movie villain behind TDK's The Joker, and fifth fav villain in storytelling in general right behind "The Blight" in A Fire Upon the Deep.
I also kinda like TFA but I would probably put it in b tier. It is unoriginal but I think despite all its flaws it had a fair amount of potential.
Pretty close to my list. I'd move Phantom Menace down one, swap The Last Jedi with Solo, place Boba Fett in What is Happening. Did not see Andor due to dropping D+. A New Hope was the first movie I saw in a theater. It gets pride of place at the top of Perfection. For The Force Awakens I left the theater relieved they hadn't completely messed it up. Also, prequel trilogy suffered from the complete lack of chemistry between Hayden & Natalie. I think this was more about direction and writing than the actors.
Mmm, chemistry between Hayden and Natalie is something I never considered but you're right. Ford and Fisher were oozing in it, which also helped believability among perhaps less-than-stellar dialogue.
Yes, I will endlessly defend George Lucas, but the lack of chemistry between Hayden and Natalie is on him. I understand Anakin seeming awkward--he's supposed to be. He is emotionally stunted and his feelings for Padme are more of an obsession than a true, mature love. That's fine. But the problem is, why does Padme love him? Padme is mature beyond her years, and we don't really understand why she would be attracted to Anakin, at least at this point in his life. I think the idea is that she has been duty-bound since her childhood, and now she's discovering her spirit and is vulnerable to being whisked away by a free-loving uninhibited person. But that's not how Anakin is portrayed. So I think Natalie was completely flummoxed as to how to play the character and sell the romance.
I would have put Mandalorian in JarJar Tier, but otherwise 100% agree with the list
Asohka would probably sit in "No"
I only watched one episode of Asohka ☠️ it wasn’t bad but it felt… boring and uninspired
@@Bookborn I would say "soulless" and "bland"
I really appreciate your stances on the movies. 😂😂 I've been watching star wars since I was 5 and have always been a huge fan. After TFA I was also disappointed but hopeful. And the TLJ just ruined all my hope. (Rogue one was excellent, but I always say it's because they had to stick to a specific storyline. Loa).
I had someone convince me to watch TROS and I'm still angry (not actually, but kind of) at them. I have refused to watch Solo as Han Solo has always been one of my favorite characters (first live action crush) and didn't want that ruined for me.
I did enjoy the first season of Mandalorian, but never finished it because I heard mixed reviews. I've been nervous of Kenobi and, based on your reaction will now avoid it. Loa. And I have always hated the Boba Fett hype so I refuse to watch Boba Fett. 😂😂😂
However, I am now going to give Andor a shot! You're not the first person to brag on it, but you are the first that has agreed with my feelings on all the other movies.
Thank you for sharing this! I also have a Star Wars (not shrine, but collection) sitting on top of my bookshelves. 😂😂
Somehow I saw the last Jedi in theaters and had no idea what was going on (even though I had seen the movies before as a kid- but mostly with other people who would always talk over them) so seeing the last Jedi is what made me go back and watch all the movies in my spare time so I have a special place for it, I feel like rise of the skywalker was the worst thing Star Wars ever did
I love that though! It's important to remember that even movies Star Wars fans don't love can be gateways into the fandom (I've seen several people say the force awakens was their first star wars and why they love it now, which is awesome). Also, Last Jedi did have a lot of good elements, imo, the Luke stuff just bothers me so much that it overshadows it.
As much as I disliked solo, I would swap Solo and The Last Jedi, and bring all sequels to what is happening.
RotS should be higher but the rest I agree with you on. I don't know why they picked Andor as a character to base a show on but I guess people like it so I'll give it a shot.
Empire Strikes Back has big marvel dialogue energy. Just quip to quip to quip
The tragedy of Andor: By the time it came out, the Star Wars franchise had been damaged to such an extent that Andor was virtually ignored by the audience in proportion to the quality of the show.
I have the same nostalgia love for The Phantom Menace like you but its just not nostalgia its the feeling in the movie the soundtrack and especially the end fight between Darth Maul and Obi Wan, Qui Gon
Honestly this was spot on. I enjoy AoTC and ROTS about as much as TPM but totally understand why they're usually lower on a lot of peoples lists. Everything else matched my thoughts nearly exactly.
I'm glad this wasn't a review that just blatantly hate Disney star wars. Even if you don't like the sequels, rogue one is so good (i haven't seen andor yet)
So just to defend solo a bit (of the movies, it ranks second to last behind attack of the clones) i think the idea behind Solo's arc is we are essentially seeing why he is a cold character in the beginning of a new hope.
We see him as warm in Solo, but the betrayal from the love of his life probably wore on him
Yeah, Solo had a lot of things that we didn't need to see in order to understand, and anything we'd see would be million times worse than what we had in our heads. Like when Luke and Obi-Wan talked about The Clone Wars and Luke's father....
(I do agree that Phantom Menace was the best out the prequel films tho, the sets and dresses were great, and it had most original ideas out of the three)
Glad to see some ROTJ love and some prequel love here. Huge fan of both. And I think TPM is often derided unnecessarily. That movie mostly works. I'll acknowledge Lloyd wasn't the best actor, but I don't think he's bad. I'm actually a bit of a Jar Jar defender. I enjoy him and think he's perfectly fine. Neeson and McGregor are fantastic. Portman's no slouch. McDiarmid's Palpatine is perfectly set up for where he'll go. Maul is effective as a threat. The podrace is exciting. Etc. I'm going to grant that the immaculate conception isn't my favorite thing, but I do think it effectively sets up the story Lucas wants to tell, and no one acknowledges this. People rag on the prequels for Anakin's place as a chosen one because "chosen one" trope is boring. I will never understand this take because the prequels are a critique on the idea of a "chosen one". The Jedi break all of their rules to allow Anakin to train. They tell him he's a chosen one. The amount of undue pressure being placed on him is immense, and no one can see how close he is to snapping until it's too late. It's a warning against chosen ones. It's an exploration of the kind of pressure a prodigy like Anakin would face and is essentially exploring imposter syndrome. And midi chlorians are no different than "energy field".
Okie... so the rest. We agree on Mandalorian. It's fine. We agree for the most part on TFA. In some ways, I was more frustrated because of the ideas taken from the books while casually disregarding and discontinuing the books, but I also enjoyed the flavor of the movie as it stands. For TLJ and ROS, they aren't even close for me. The Las Jedi has some great ideas planted. They reneg on them all, but most of the setups are good, great even. The followthrough is dismal though. ROS was a disaster. A fetch-quest contrivance filled mess full of random cameos and returning characters while reversing the one great idea that carried through the previous installment (Rey's parentage).
Boba Fett terrible. Kenobi-redeeming elements and even a great first episode, but a disaster by the end. Still working on Andor. I don't like Solo, though I do love AC Crispin's trilogy of books. Seeing the kessel run doesn't bother me. The execution does.
Rogue One - also not a movie I particularly enjoy. It's pretty bland IMO, but not detestable.
I love chosen ones and I'll stand by it, but I also completely agree that Anakin's chosen-one journey is SO not typical. It's especially annoying since one thing that makes Anakin's chosen-one journey so interesting is that we already know the end from the beginning. We KNOW it turns out badly. So...people complaining about it...are WRONG I SAY! haha. I agree about the immaculate conception (something that went over my head as a kid and only as a teen I was like...wait what?) but...mythos blah blah ok it's fine.
@@Bookborn I think the hatred for "chosen one" tropes is popular because it is a very easy trope to recognize in the wild. I'm pretty ambivalent to them, but both Dune and the Star Wars Prequels are solid executions of chosen one stories.
Damn skipping the animated stuff kinda hurt a bit but I get it. Personally Clone Wars is my single favourite piece of Star Wars media of all time
Ohhh not skipping out of hatred, skipping out of ease of ranking idk it made sense in my head to compare apples to apples 🤣
We were the same age when TPM came out and I feel the exact same way about Empire and RTJ. When I was a kid RTJ was my fave and now I can appreciate the greatness of Empire. Still would have put ROTS and attack of the clones ahead of TPM though. I still watch TPM but "This is how liberty dies" hit so hard in my 15 year old burgeoning political brain. And Padme's outfit in the pit scene hit won over my 13 year old brain.
Ok but "this is how liberty dies, to thunderous applause" is one of the best lines in the prequels and so I accept your ranking completely
I actually kind of enjoyed the Solo movie. Not really as a Star Wars movie, but it was a fun romp. Definitely not good, but I enjoyed it. I found it more rewatchable than Rogue One for me even though I liked Rogue One more on my first watch. I 100% agree on your perfection tier though.
This list is very close to mine. I would shuffle where each original and prequel is in my ranking, and swap Boba and Solo (If you're not watching Mando S3 you've no reason to watch Boba Fett, so good on you) I figured Han was better as just... a guy. Glad to know I made the right call on that.
I can't tell if I disliked 8 or 7 more anymore, I was also disappointed with 7 but I watched 8 on Netflix with zero expectations, and disassociated the sequels from Star Wars as a whole. Also I only watched each movie once as well.
I hope they let Gilroy cook with Andor S2 because that and Rogue One are the very best live action that Disney will ever put out.
Can you please make a ranking of star wars books you have read?
7 times?! what a little geek! hehe love it
I loved Andor and can say it's one of the best series ever made, but I found rogue one incredibly boring. Tried watching it after Andor hoping I might have missed something..nope, exact same reaction.
I think you nailed it👍
May be a hot take but I would put RotS over A New Hope 😬 I was 4 when Phatom Menace came out so I have a huge soft spot for it, Christmas ‘99 was all Darth Maul toys
Ok soooo many people are talking about their love for RotS that I need to watch it again since it's been several years. I'm starting to think that maybe after getting over the whole "nooo" thing I might see it in a different light 👀
I haven't seen anything about it other than the first trailer but I'm mildly excited for Ahsoka. I think the Clone Wars show absolutely saved the prequels for me, I haven't watched Rebels but everyone of my friends who has says its great. And unlike Kenobi, Ahsoka isn't my favorite character so if its bad its not gonna ruin Star Wars and be a DNF (Probably, unless its awful).
I've heard a lot of people are cautiously optimistic for Ahsoka which means I've also gotten my hopes up....I really pray they aren't dashed lol
15:15-15:23 thank you!! There's a certain content creator that was mad that there was no jedi. Like come on!
That was the most insane of the arguments against Andor for me. Like...Star Wars isn't JUST Jedi. It's an entire universe! There's room for so many stories.
@@Bookborn exactly!!
Empire strikes back was always my fav. something about the snow. I probably rewound that vhs a 1000 times. Revenge of the sith my favorite of the prequals. The new stuff doesn't feel like star wars to me... I like some of them (Rouge & Andor), but they aren't the same.
I was scared when I saw this. But it turned out good. Don't worry about boba Fett. You don't need to suffer that.
Nice video. I jumped ship after Phantom Menace so I only watch the original trilogy. However I cannot find one version without the pointless and jarring added scenes they did in the 90s. I had the VHS of the original version but I lost them during a move to my chagrin.
Ok I cannot STAND the new changes 😭😭 it’s so jarring and like you said POINTLESS! We gave our vhs away a while ago because we didn’t have a VCR anymore. Who would’ve known it would be impossible to find the originals 😭
Oh man. When I was dating my now wife, she hadn't seen any Star Wars so I bought the complete 6 DVD set and we watched them together and I was shocked at the terrible CGI additions.
I know there's the despecialized editions out there somewhere, but getting copies seems super complicated and sketchy everytime I look into it.
okay, can of worms time 😆 Aside from the Han/Greedo thing and maybe the addition of Jabba, are the rest of the changes in the trilogy really that objectionable? I can't really think of anything else I find bothersome 😬
@@pjalexander_author there's a whole CGI alien musical number added in the empire strikes back that is incredibly jarring. In each of the movies they pasted on sub par CGI characters in the background that do not blend in and make it seem more silly. Maybe the changes wouldn't be noticable if I hadn't watched the original VHS versions so much as a kid.
@@tgibridays Same here. Why make changes if they serve no purpose.
My fav is star wars 3 action from start to finish fantastic movie peek star wars
I didn't love Kenobi as a show, but I enjoyed a few of the things that happened in it.
Ever since I was a kid and first watched the originals, I was always upset that both Luke and Leia had their family murdered in ANH and then never addressed it again (in live action). So for the fan of Beru, Owen, Bail, and Breha in me, I really appreciated that Kenobi showed the depth of the love these adults had for their children. That the show gave us a little look into the life of the Skywalker twins adoptive families, the people that raised them. Which I think is just as thematically relevant to the series as their relationship with Anakin/Vader. Again, I can't say I love the actual events of the show, but that will still remain the highlight to me.
While I think BOBF was equally as uninspiring in terms of plot, I really appreciated that they took the time to remove some of the racism and orientalism surrounding the Tusken Raiders. The show took care to humanize this group that is based on several indigenous cultures, a group that for so long were portrayed as 'savage' monsters. Otherwise it was unfortunately a bust.
If you want to see the actual separation between the OG trilogy and the Prequels, do a scene comparison between the Han and Leia on the Falcon in Empire before they kiss and the scene between Anakin and Padme and his rant about sand. Everything about the scene is Empire is light years ahead of AOTC. Nuff said.
"The original trilogy was about trios." I will not stand for this Chewbacca erasure!
You’re right and I’m sorry 😭
For me, there’s really only one title on this list that I don’t care for all that much and really struggle to watch. Thats the bottom one. The rest I either love or at least like and enjoy to some extent, and it’s often hard to choose. Nostalgia is also a factor, but personally:
1. Revenge of the Sith
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Return of the Jedi
4. A New Hope
5. The Last Jedi
6. Andor
7. Rogue One
8. The Phantom Menace
9. Attack of the Clones
10. The Mandalorian
11. The Force Awakens
12. Solo
13. Obi-Wan Kenobi
14. The Book of Boba Fett
15. The Rise of Skywalker
okay so obviously you know I love this video 😎 WHY are you apologizing for going TOO LONG? You seriously need to do a long form SW discussion so you can talk about all the things!
My ranking is so close to yours. The most important things to me in a movie are story, characters, and cinematography, and if you consider those elements and compare Lucas SW to Disney SW, it's pretty obvious why one series is great and the other is... what it is. You said it best when ranking the bottom tiers and your tiebreaker was "it's shorter" 🤣😂🤣
Like look, we only have so much time, if I'm forced to watch something terrible I might as well get hours back 🤣
Maybe I'll add Star Wars to my list of live shows I want to do if I ever get a patreon so I can rant with you guys about random stuff without making it an official vid lol
I haven’t watched most of the Star Wars shows yet cause I couldn’t really get invested in The Mandalorian. I do agree that Rogue One is the best Star Wars movie Disney has made though, and I agree with most of the video, so I actually kinda want to check out Andor now.
I was 5 years old in phantom menace (first cinema movie ever) ...
I had to piss at the start of the pod race, and my mom doesn't blame me for missing it... But she brings it up a lot...
If Solo didn't do it for you then I'd recommend the Han Solo trilogy by A.C. Crispin.
While it does explain Han's backstory, most of the explanations are better than the movie, and it's at least stretched over a trilogy instead of being condensed into a couple hours.
Can you link the template so we can make our own tier list?