I'm not sure what her reason is to try to discredit the story of the daughter of a slave. She hasn't really provided anything but her opinion and I feel what she reports is no more likely true than the original slave underground story. She seems to be trying to promote her own book and for some reason it seems she is upset by the idea that slaves may have well been able to outsmart their owners in this regard. IMHO
She states "again, we don't know very much" about what kind of quilt or blanket was utilized by the slaves, yet she denies that they used quilts for the underground railroad. "There are so many questions, and one cannot generalize in a single community about what was going on. It was much more complex than I can certainly answer, or anybody." She almost chuckled insinuating she took advantage of a college student who also submitted her paper on the codes (her having differing beliefs as Ms. Horton). She stated that the log cabin quilt wasn't created during the underground railroad. Yes, if she would have Googled it, she would have found out that it had, in fact, been created in 1860. She also stated "I find that a stretch" referring to what the different colors of the centers were. Again, Google explains the blocks in the quilt in detail. She doesn't seem to know what the codes were or how they were utilized, claiming that the slaves were uneducated, illiterate. You decide. Google for the facts. The largest historical preservation is actually in her state, yet she knows nothing about the facts and is trying to sell her book knowing it is not factual according to history preserved.
I guess this is a very logical story. The legend about a secret quilt code is, on the other hand, also a nice story, even if it isn't true. You might also see this legend thus: Enslaved people managed to outwit their masters and ran away using their own courage and intelligence, helped by equally courageous people. Then later one of their descendants succeeds in convincing two people of this so-called quilt code having existed. They then write a book about it, not realising that they have been outwitted too. " Wouldn't that be a funny sort of payback time?
History is only as good as the person who wrote it. I have not read the book yet but I will. I must say that having watched this video I went to look at the archives and found that much of what Laurel says is almost right. Where I choose to differ is where I feel there is some proof of Oral History being a strong communication between those people who were enslaved and also those people who are first people. If the authors got it wrong then is Laurel able to put them right. Or even to challenge dates? Is she able to do that and put the truth out there for all to read.
I would take a drink to before I decide to discredit author to uplift my owe book I will always believe that the slaves were always smarter than their master who hope they would prefer mistreatment over freedom..You never mention what you learn about slaves just to prove quilt played no
Can we have a look at earlier quilts such as Greek, Albanian and Turkish work which are dated before European people arrived in the West? Very well researched talk.
I read the book. Are there any inconsistency? Probably because it's hard to be factual when secrets weren't written down so all you have is word of mouth. These people (white and black) were risking their lives. It had to be word of mouth. It was hush hush and once you got on the train there was no turning back. It was freedom or die. First of all it wasn't so much the slaves couldn't talk about the escape routes as it was they could not read or write (it was illegal) and needed a visual. The quilts were hung to dry so it was very visual a long distance away. Also it wasn't only the quilts that gave direction, it was also songs like "Wade in the Water" which told escaping slave that the patrol was out and to go to the water to avoid detection. Also, although the monkey wrench wasn't evented until 1858....during the time when the underground railroad existed by the way, there is also no evidence that the monkey wrench pattern was named for the invention. It could have been named after another tool they were using, In addition, if you going to say some of the facts made in the book are not consistent with slave history then give us the facts on how they were inconsistent otherwise why should I believe you. The patterns used (building blocks, etc) could have been used way before their recorded history, Keep in mind the materials for the quilts for the master were bought by the master and they may have been told how to make it. The quilts they made for themselves did not necessarily follow the same pattern and were made from what they could harvest from old clothing and were used until they were thread bare and had to be thrown way which is way very few exist today.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Her own presentation is at least as weak, insubstantial, and emotional as the book she virulently criticizes. She has neither logic nor evidence to refute the relevant oral history, which is by no means an "assimilation myth." Hers is an "ad hominem" argument [or in this case, "ad feminam"]. In the Q&A segment, she admits: "We don't really know much about this."
She admits that she doesn't know much about what the quilting practices of slaves were. There's a lot of things about black people that white people don't know. I've had white people ask me how I wash my hair. It's like all sense goes out the window
Quilts were made by house slave women for their "mistresses",, so fabric and thread WERE available to African American women. Often times the mistress would take credit for the work.
I am so tired of the Racists and White Supremists denying the intellectual prowess of Africans and African Americans. The very reason why people want to believe aliens built the Egyptians pyramids. I am so sick of White Supremists. The very first university was built in Africa, the largest library was in Egypt. Many racists don't BELIEVE slavery in America never occurred. How sad!!!!!
sad!!!!!if its not in a WHITE BOOK IT CANT BE TRUE!! Seems like a little bit of hate from all the STRAIGHT FORWARD QUILTERS who followed every rule and wished those quilts were their creations..period..just like every other white whos come alone to disprove greatness...
I thinks this old woman is trying to justify her masters degree…where is her evidence that this is just a family story in one family?! what about the wide use of these quilt blocks over decades? no evidence, this whole “lecture” is just opinion from a white woman - sorry - its 2021 - youve just been cancelled. and your jacket looks horrible.
I'm not sure what her reason is to try to discredit the story of the daughter of a slave. She hasn't really provided anything but her opinion and I feel what she reports is no more likely true than the original slave underground story. She seems to be trying to promote her own book and for some reason it seems she is upset by the idea that slaves may have well been able to outsmart their owners in this regard. IMHO
She states "again, we don't know very much" about what kind of quilt or blanket was utilized by the slaves, yet she denies that they used quilts for the underground railroad. "There are so many questions, and one cannot generalize in a single community about what was going on. It was much more complex than I can certainly answer, or anybody." She almost chuckled insinuating she took advantage of a college student who also submitted her paper on the codes (her having differing beliefs as Ms. Horton). She stated that the log cabin quilt wasn't created during the underground railroad. Yes, if she would have Googled it, she would have found out that it had, in fact, been created in 1860. She also stated "I find that a stretch" referring to what the different colors of the centers were. Again, Google explains the blocks in the quilt in detail. She doesn't seem to know what the codes were or how they were utilized, claiming that the slaves were uneducated, illiterate. You decide. Google for the facts. The largest historical preservation is actually in her state, yet she knows nothing about the facts and is trying to sell her book knowing it is not factual according to history preserved.
I guess this is a very logical story. The legend about a secret quilt code is, on the other hand, also a nice story, even if it isn't true. You might also see this legend thus: Enslaved people managed to outwit their masters and ran away using their own courage and intelligence, helped by equally courageous people. Then later one of their descendants succeeds in convincing two people of this so-called quilt code having existed. They then write a book about it, not realising that they have been outwitted too. " Wouldn't that be a funny sort of payback time?
Debunk the Debunk! Grandma just wants to use the freedom quilt codes without reparations!
I was taught by generations of Southern men and women and shown the quilts utilized in same. I learned all of this before any books.
History is only as good as the person who wrote it. I have not read the book yet but I will. I must say that having watched this video I went to look at the archives and found that much of what Laurel says is almost right. Where I choose to differ is where I feel there is some proof of Oral History being a strong communication between those people who were enslaved and also those people who are first people. If the authors got it wrong then is Laurel able to put them right. Or even to challenge dates? Is she able to do that and put the truth out there for all to read.
Good presentation. Thank you.
I would take a drink to before I decide to discredit author to uplift my owe book I will always believe that the slaves were always smarter than their master who hope they would prefer mistreatment over freedom..You never mention what you learn about slaves just to prove quilt played no
Can we have a look at earlier quilts such as Greek, Albanian and Turkish work which are dated before European people arrived in the West? Very well researched talk.
I read the book. Are there any inconsistency? Probably because it's hard to be factual when secrets weren't written down so all you have is word of mouth. These people (white and black) were risking their lives. It had to be word of mouth. It was hush hush and once you got on the train there was no turning back. It was freedom or die. First of all it wasn't so much the slaves couldn't talk about the escape routes as it was they could not read or write (it was illegal) and needed a visual. The quilts were hung to dry so it was very visual a long distance away. Also it wasn't only the quilts that gave direction, it was also songs like "Wade in the Water" which told escaping slave that the patrol was out and to go to the water to avoid detection. Also, although the monkey wrench wasn't evented until 1858....during the time when the underground railroad existed by the way, there is also no evidence that the monkey wrench pattern was named for the invention. It could have been named after another tool they were using, In addition, if you going to say some of the facts made in the book are not consistent with slave history then give us the facts on how they were inconsistent otherwise why should I believe you. The patterns used (building blocks, etc) could have been used way before their recorded history, Keep in mind the materials for the quilts for the master were bought by the master and they may have been told how to make it. The quilts they made for themselves did not necessarily follow the same pattern and were made from what they could harvest from old clothing and were used until they were thread bare and had to be thrown way which is way very few exist today.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Her own presentation is at least as weak, insubstantial, and emotional as the book she virulently criticizes. She has neither logic nor evidence to refute the relevant oral history, which is by no means an "assimilation myth." Hers is an "ad hominem" argument [or in this case, "ad feminam"]. In the Q&A segment, she admits: "We don't really know much about this."
She admits that she doesn't know much about what the quilting practices of slaves were. There's a lot of things about black people that white people don't know. I've had white people ask me how I wash my hair. It's like all sense goes out the window
Quilts were made by house slave women for their "mistresses",, so fabric and thread WERE available to African American women. Often times the mistress would take credit for the work.
I am so tired of the Racists and White Supremists denying the intellectual prowess of Africans and African Americans. The very reason why people want to believe aliens built the Egyptians pyramids. I am so sick of White Supremists. The very first university was built in Africa, the largest library was in Egypt. Many racists don't BELIEVE slavery in America never occurred. How sad!!!!!
sad!!!!!if its not in a WHITE BOOK IT CANT BE TRUE!! Seems like a little bit of hate from all the STRAIGHT FORWARD QUILTERS who followed every rule and wished those quilts were their creations..period..just like every other white whos come alone to disprove greatness...
imagine a white woman trying to discredit something lol very typical.
B.S.
I thinks this old woman is trying to justify her masters degree…where is her evidence that this is just a family story in one family?! what about the wide use of these quilt blocks over decades? no evidence, this whole “lecture” is just opinion from a white woman - sorry - its 2021 - youve just been cancelled. and your jacket looks horrible.